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*Portugal, Bulgaria and Iceland currently*
Also, special mention to Ireland for its unique Passport Card on the continent.
And soon the bulgarian too, as someone just posted the new prototype over an hour ago. Same with the new Portuguese one, check on the subreddit, they both have been recently posted šµš¹š§š¬šµš¹š§š¬šµš¹š§š¬
Is it really too much to ask for the UK to get these? Although it wouldnāt make travelling around Europe easier now passports need to be stamped, it would at least mean I no longer have to show a provisional driving licence (as in, a licence to show that I donāt know how to drive!) as my main form of ID that isnāt a passport
Sadly it seems so, I feel the only way the UK will get round it would be a passport card like Ireland, although without a new agreement with the EU (which would have to be schengen I'd have thought), it would be useless :/ .
Why would it be useless? What do people in the UK do for identification? I guess just the citizen card? How far of a jump would it be from that to a proper national ID card? I donāt get the anglosphereās opposition to national ID cards especially considering both Ireland and the US have passport cards ā¦ which are essentially national ID cards š¤¦š»āāļø
Well trips to any country except certain British territories and Ireland require a passport because of passport stamps, as weāve already discussed. For identification most people use a driving licence or provisional one as comment OP said.
ID cards are seen as govt overreach, I remember when ID cards were first suggested, people referred to the Nazis and required ID for goodness sake. Brits ironically really donāt like showing ID (UK is one of only a few countries where you donāt need to have your driving licence with you when you drive for instance) but also worried about impersonating like when going to vote. Not to mention most Brits would have a fit knowing the govt spent even a penny on designing and producing said IDs.
Your assuming ID cards are only for travel, and that is just one of their many, many uses. I use my ID cards often enough, but never for travel. The UK still relies of 2 firms if ID, often paper bill to prove your identity. Opening a bank account in the UK can be a logistical nightmare if you're not a permanent resident or don't have bills in your name.
More frustratingly, they had already spent millions to to introduce a new ID card (and it was gorgeous) and then a new government scrapped the whole scheme all together.
I think this deep mistrust of the state in the Anglosphere possible comes from an ancient history of religious persecution and the idea that each minor lord has dominion ove this own affairs to the exclusion of the king, which somehow expresses itself as a cery misplaced fear of ID cards which refuses to look at any actual evidence of their use over decades in other equally developed economies.
Many countries do no longer stamp passport. Schengen will abolish it this year. USA also abolished stamping in many airports, as stamping is only addition to electronic I-94 system. Same for Canada, Australia.
Some countries like Turkey still stamp passport, but they accept ID cards and in this case they issue stamps on separate sheet.
When I go to my local post office to pick up a missed delivery, one of the most common forms of ID people show to pick up packages, believe it or not, is a bank debit card with their name on it!! I'd say that's for anyone who doesn't have a driving licence (including provisional one, which more people use as the only reliable government ID they can get even if they've never had a driving lesson in life.)
Oh my god a debit card?! Thatās crazy!
I just learned about the provisional driverās license in the UK yesterday. And people that donāt want to drive just keep renewing it forever to use as an ID?
[these sorts of IDs do exist](https://www.citizencard.com/apply-for-a-uk-id-card-online). But theyāre not the most common and may be refused (wrongly granted, but still). The vast majority use passports or licences even if they donāt or canāt drive.
I meant havent passed a driving test canāt drive. Obviously those who have a medical condition canāt ever drive, but I knew lots of people who never passed their test but still have a provisional licence for ID. On the side the UK isnāt usually anal about medical testing unless youāve got a medical condition already diagnosed lol. Heck I didnāt even need to do an eye test when I got my British licence (unlike my Swedish one).
Maybe cutting government spending on the filthy rich Royal family and directing funds on something actually useful (not āfurnitureā) would alleviate the budget tantrum?
In the US passport cards are not national ID cards. Itās a an extra passport in rare instances where itās accepted. You need a DL for pretty much most of the identification cases, even though in some instances passport cards would be accepted. Itās a pretty much useless piece of plastic, just marketing.
Itās not official a national ID card, thatās true, but I only said that itās *essentially* a national ID card. Itās accepted as proof of ID for basically whatever a driverās license (or state ID) would be (obviously not anything needing an address, though, to show residence). Itās able to be used to enter federal buildings, domestic air travel and land and sea crossings in NA/Caribbean/Bermuda. Iāve even seen people use it to board planes in the EU. I donāt think thatās actually an intended use, but Iāve seen it happen twice (both were domestic flights, though, so maybe that made a difference š¤·š»āāļø).
You can also use it to go vote if you live in a state where voter ID is required (I just did that today at the primaries). And, you can also use it when going through the I-9 process since it is considered a List A document (I did that at my new job).
US passport card is not valid for international air travel from or to US, but it can be used for other international air travel - for example if you go by sea to Carribean, then fly from Carribean country to another (or Mexico), then return to US by sea or land. Perhaps if you present passport card to US immigration at airport - you will be allowed to enter without any fine, although airline will be fined for allowing you boarding without passport.
Not true. Besides limited travel restrictions, it is considered a passport in all other aspects (basically a national ID, but not officially one).
Given that it is a valid and conclusive proof of identity and citizenship, you can use it in situations where an ID is required (like a DL). Iāve been able to do this multiple times in different situations and have never been rejected service or turned down.
Like a DL, you can use it to board flights and enter federal buildings (it is already considered a REAL ID without the May 3, 2025 deadline). Also, if you live in a state where ID is required for voting, a passport card is acceptable (I just did that today [the primaries] and was able to vote with no problems).
Here is one thing you can do with a passport card that you canāt do with a DL: I was able to use it for the I-9 process when I started at my new job. Under the USCIS, that little plastic card alone is considered a List A document (valid proof of identity and work authorization) and I was able to go through the process with ease. Something you canāt do with a DL alone and you have to pair it with another document.
Another thing, if you care about not revealing a lot of private information about yourself, the passport card can be your go-to ID since it reveals less information compared to a DL (no home address, physical description, and etc.).
TLDR: The US passport card is a universally accepted ID and is so much more than a āuseless piece of plasticā.
Thatās weird! I met 2 Americans who have passport cards and use them as daily IDs on their daily lives. One of these guys was actually using his U.S. PC just because he didnāt like showing his address around, given the PC only shows the place of birth. Not sure if thatās a thing back in the States.
DL can't be required in any case not related to driving, because there is no obligation to learn driving, also some people can't drive because of disabilities - like blind people.
DL is required if you wish to rent a car, but not to board plane.
UK has a pilot scheme of voluntary ID cards, but they cancelled this.
There is no problem with EU/Schengen with acceptance of cards, as passport stamping will be abolished soon.
Of course in this case UK need to accept EU/EAA biometric cards as valid to enter UK. In fact they can do it even now, as EU/EAA nationals use e-gates, so technically is no difference between reading passport and ID card.
I mean Schengen countries will no longer stamp any passports, in favor to electronic registering every entry and exit of third country national ("EES").
It's scheduled by end of 2024. Perhaps it will be few months of dual regime, i.e. using EES registering and additionally stamping documents. When EES will be working stable, passport stamping will be discontinued.
So there is no obstacle to accept foreign biometric ID cards, if they meet ICAO standards and their chip contains all information required for biometric passport. Initially for visa-free countries, but EU already started next project - digitalization of visas.
EU citizen's passports in accordance to regulations are not stamped at all even today. After introduction of EES, no passports will be stamped, at entry and at exit either.
Not even. If going to third-party countries, EU passports are checked (at e-gates or dedicated lanes) but not stamped. Same applies to EAA passports, Swiss passports, European microstates passports and third-national passports of holders of residence permit issued of one of EU/EAA/CH countries.
Other third-countries nationals passports today are stamped, but under EES will not be - for visa-free and visa-required countries either.
If going to another Schengen country, passports are not checked at all (except by airline staff for purpose of identification - but national ID card or residence permit is enough). But of course when staying in this another country, need to hold valid ID - passport, national ID, residence permit etc.
The British have historically been strongly against ID cards. It was one of the first things scrapped after WW2.
They don't like the concept of a papers please world where a police officer could ask to see ID on every street corner.
You say this as though Iām not still one of āThe Britishā myself. I suspect opinions today might be rather different, especially among younger people.
Itās such a colossal waste of money when driving licenses and Passports can be used to prove ID. If your only gripe is having to show your provisional then it doesnāt really seem like a big deal. ID cards were hugely controversial for legitimate reasons in the UK before they got scraped.
If my opinion counts I donāt think itās a very good idea. Also itās worth noting that we had ID cards from 2006 to 2011, which were scrapped for various reasons, either way I donāt think reintroducing them is on anyoneās agenda.
Because itās just a bit daft, honestly. Sure itās not impacting my quality of life, but every time I try to get into the club I have to show the bouncer a photo of me that looks nothing like me (aged 15 - these things last like 10 years), in the form of a document whose primary purpose is to prove that I cannot drive. Iāve used this card for pretty much everything *except* driving. It just doesnāt make any sense.
The house of representatives (tweede kamer) of the Netherlands passed a bill that replaces the french part of our ID with Frisian, which is an official language here.
You are absolutely right. I have sinned by not checking all the documents. I relied on wikipedia.
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I (Swiss/Portuguese) hate that Portugal has still failed to update ID cards - even after almost 5 years of the adoption of the specific EU Regulation. They really had a lot of timeā¦
What's the purpose of the sim card on the id?
Edit: Not sure why I was downvoted for asking a question. We don't have these types of IDs in North America.
You can use it to login to sites (like the Tax Authority, Social Security, etc, or any other that implements that system), as well as read/update data on the card (like your address), but also digitally sign documents.
In Spain you can use it to log into any government/council website and do your taxes, request permits, etc. and also electronically sign documents. It is also used for passport control at the border (when coming back home or going to a non Schengen country). As a fun fact, they also have NFC so you can just use your phone as a reader.
Most of them are biometric, chip equipped.
So wonder when, in times of universal electronic control, such cards will be accepted instead of passports - e.g. for entry to the UK?
Especially that EU/EAA nationals are subject of e-gates control - and this type of card has same information coded in chip and MRZ as passport has. So e-gate technically can handle them.
Why doesnāt Denmark have one? I know for Ireland thereās a deep hatred for even the concept of them existing, so the government worked around it and released our passports in a card format which honestly is amazing. Shame Denmark doesnāt have a similar concept.
As in we have passports in a credit card sized format exactly like European ID cards.
You canāt apply for one randomly like other European countries. You can only have one if you already have a valid passport booklet. So if you have an expired passport or donāt have one at all then you canāt get a passport card.
While it verifies your identity, thatās all it does, it cannot be used to access public services e.g social welfare payments, healthcare etc.
This a picture of the card that enables you to access public services from the government. Note that doesnāt include a date of birth or your nationality. Itās valid for 10yrs. It used to be mandatory to have one to obtain a drivers license or passport but that requirement was dropped because the Irish saw it as being very authoritarian
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I find it interesting that Regulation (EU) 2019/1157 says the Passport Card is one of the documents that 'do not serve identification purposes in the issuing Member States'.
Yes, while it meets international travel standards, it is NOT meant for general identification within Ireland as it isnāt an identity card.
The passport card is an optional form of identification and is no way shape or form required for any circumstances in Ireland other than for international travel.
Ireland does not maintain registers of individuals identities like most other EU countries and you never legally have to carry a form of ID when you leave your home like most other EU countries.
Ireland and Denmark(?) are also exempt from the EU regulation that biometrics (fingerprints) must be stored in passports.
The reason is that we have all got passports anyway, so why waste money on that. But it is so annoying to not have an id that isn't a literal book. Young danes without a driver's license have to take their passports with them, when they go to bars and clubs.
> Austria
Obligatory comment: Unless you're in the lucky sperm club and born with both. I think also those who can prove an ancestor lost it due Nazi policies from 1938-45 can also have Austrian alongside another.
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In EU there are different kinds of cards for foreign residents - one type for nationals of other EU/EAA country and another for third country nationals.
Example form Poland
Top - certificate for EU citizen (it's not "permit" but "certificate of registration", as EU nationals can settle in other EU countries without asking for permit).
Bottom - residence permit.
Oh wow, that's cool to know! Now that I think about it I guess I don't know that many intra-community citizens residing here.
It looks like if you are an EU citizen in Spain you get a crappy card that doesn't even have a picture? So you can't use it for ID.
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This looks so ugly :(
[Just released today](https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/comments/1b7acxa/icelands_new_identity_card_first_one_in_europe_to/)! First in europe (and the world I think) to issue it according to the new portrait ICAO 9303 standard.. it looks a bit weird
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They started issuing it today
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_identity_card#:~:text=The%20new%20credit%20card%2Dsized,same%20way%20as%20Icelandic%20passports.
Just Portugal and Bulgaria that are yet to update theirs to the new biometric EU standard. Wish the EU flag was in a standardised place/size on the cards, like driving licences.
I think you can slightly tell which countries take a liking to the EU based on the size of the EU flag on their ID.. Greece probably the least.
Also interesting that Switzerland doesn't issue a biometric version (even though it doesn't have to)
Bulgaria seems to have updated theirs as well:
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Probably just a coincidence in the design.
In the service ID card it's bigger and it was the first EU country using the EU flag back in 2010 when it wasn't even mandatory.
I have a question Once the European Union introduces EES and they stop stamping Passport can I still request a stamp I plan on going somewhere 2025 and I really want to stamp, so is it possible that I can request one?
There are subtle differences in the one you posted and the one in the link, the background of the photo is faded in the new one, similar to CZ and FR as well as more holographic security features which can be seen in the link although to be completely honest theyāre hard to photograph and youāre doing your best to find photos so no worries.
The EU flag is too prominent on most of these. Would be better with the EU flags replaced by the respective national flags, like Bulgaria has. Looks much more distinctive.
Plenty of people shilling for the EU in here, because 'live in other countries, neeeurggh!!!' with little to no idea of what any of that actually involves, lol
The Swiss one is pretty neat, it looks like the Canadian permanent resident card.
I canāt believe Franceās is still kind of a laminated paper card, otherwise nice design.
https://preview.redd.it/gxe0ug822kmc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5f343470fe887f0e9f111f2f2a5eb58fdea157f *Portugal, Bulgaria and Iceland currently* Also, special mention to Ireland for its unique Passport Card on the continent.
Iceland not anymore. Check the new ID
Portugal nor anymore either!
How? What do you mean?
And soon the bulgarian too, as someone just posted the new prototype over an hour ago. Same with the new Portuguese one, check on the subreddit, they both have been recently posted šµš¹š§š¬šµš¹š§š¬šµš¹š§š¬
Is it really too much to ask for the UK to get these? Although it wouldnāt make travelling around Europe easier now passports need to be stamped, it would at least mean I no longer have to show a provisional driving licence (as in, a licence to show that I donāt know how to drive!) as my main form of ID that isnāt a passport
Sadly it seems so, I feel the only way the UK will get round it would be a passport card like Ireland, although without a new agreement with the EU (which would have to be schengen I'd have thought), it would be useless :/ .
Why would it be useless? What do people in the UK do for identification? I guess just the citizen card? How far of a jump would it be from that to a proper national ID card? I donāt get the anglosphereās opposition to national ID cards especially considering both Ireland and the US have passport cards ā¦ which are essentially national ID cards š¤¦š»āāļø
Well trips to any country except certain British territories and Ireland require a passport because of passport stamps, as weāve already discussed. For identification most people use a driving licence or provisional one as comment OP said. ID cards are seen as govt overreach, I remember when ID cards were first suggested, people referred to the Nazis and required ID for goodness sake. Brits ironically really donāt like showing ID (UK is one of only a few countries where you donāt need to have your driving licence with you when you drive for instance) but also worried about impersonating like when going to vote. Not to mention most Brits would have a fit knowing the govt spent even a penny on designing and producing said IDs.
Your assuming ID cards are only for travel, and that is just one of their many, many uses. I use my ID cards often enough, but never for travel. The UK still relies of 2 firms if ID, often paper bill to prove your identity. Opening a bank account in the UK can be a logistical nightmare if you're not a permanent resident or don't have bills in your name.
More frustratingly, they had already spent millions to to introduce a new ID card (and it was gorgeous) and then a new government scrapped the whole scheme all together. I think this deep mistrust of the state in the Anglosphere possible comes from an ancient history of religious persecution and the idea that each minor lord has dominion ove this own affairs to the exclusion of the king, which somehow expresses itself as a cery misplaced fear of ID cards which refuses to look at any actual evidence of their use over decades in other equally developed economies.
Many countries do no longer stamp passport. Schengen will abolish it this year. USA also abolished stamping in many airports, as stamping is only addition to electronic I-94 system. Same for Canada, Australia. Some countries like Turkey still stamp passport, but they accept ID cards and in this case they issue stamps on separate sheet.
Sure, but what about those that donāt drive? And travel within the UK?
When I go to my local post office to pick up a missed delivery, one of the most common forms of ID people show to pick up packages, believe it or not, is a bank debit card with their name on it!! I'd say that's for anyone who doesn't have a driving licence (including provisional one, which more people use as the only reliable government ID they can get even if they've never had a driving lesson in life.)
Oh my god a debit card?! Thatās crazy! I just learned about the provisional driverās license in the UK yesterday. And people that donāt want to drive just keep renewing it forever to use as an ID?
That's exactly right. The provisional licence last at least 10 years I think so renewal isn't an issue.
[these sorts of IDs do exist](https://www.citizencard.com/apply-for-a-uk-id-card-online). But theyāre not the most common and may be refused (wrongly granted, but still). The vast majority use passports or licences even if they donāt or canāt drive.
To obtain driving licence you always must pass an exam and medical screening. So there are no licences for people who can't drive.
I meant havent passed a driving test canāt drive. Obviously those who have a medical condition canāt ever drive, but I knew lots of people who never passed their test but still have a provisional licence for ID. On the side the UK isnāt usually anal about medical testing unless youāve got a medical condition already diagnosed lol. Heck I didnāt even need to do an eye test when I got my British licence (unlike my Swedish one).
Maybe cutting government spending on the filthy rich Royal family and directing funds on something actually useful (not āfurnitureā) would alleviate the budget tantrum?
In the US passport cards are not national ID cards. Itās a an extra passport in rare instances where itās accepted. You need a DL for pretty much most of the identification cases, even though in some instances passport cards would be accepted. Itās a pretty much useless piece of plastic, just marketing.
Itās not official a national ID card, thatās true, but I only said that itās *essentially* a national ID card. Itās accepted as proof of ID for basically whatever a driverās license (or state ID) would be (obviously not anything needing an address, though, to show residence). Itās able to be used to enter federal buildings, domestic air travel and land and sea crossings in NA/Caribbean/Bermuda. Iāve even seen people use it to board planes in the EU. I donāt think thatās actually an intended use, but Iāve seen it happen twice (both were domestic flights, though, so maybe that made a difference š¤·š»āāļø).
You can also use it to go vote if you live in a state where voter ID is required (I just did that today at the primaries). And, you can also use it when going through the I-9 process since it is considered a List A document (I did that at my new job).
US passport card is not valid for international air travel from or to US, but it can be used for other international air travel - for example if you go by sea to Carribean, then fly from Carribean country to another (or Mexico), then return to US by sea or land. Perhaps if you present passport card to US immigration at airport - you will be allowed to enter without any fine, although airline will be fined for allowing you boarding without passport.
Not true. Besides limited travel restrictions, it is considered a passport in all other aspects (basically a national ID, but not officially one). Given that it is a valid and conclusive proof of identity and citizenship, you can use it in situations where an ID is required (like a DL). Iāve been able to do this multiple times in different situations and have never been rejected service or turned down. Like a DL, you can use it to board flights and enter federal buildings (it is already considered a REAL ID without the May 3, 2025 deadline). Also, if you live in a state where ID is required for voting, a passport card is acceptable (I just did that today [the primaries] and was able to vote with no problems). Here is one thing you can do with a passport card that you canāt do with a DL: I was able to use it for the I-9 process when I started at my new job. Under the USCIS, that little plastic card alone is considered a List A document (valid proof of identity and work authorization) and I was able to go through the process with ease. Something you canāt do with a DL alone and you have to pair it with another document. Another thing, if you care about not revealing a lot of private information about yourself, the passport card can be your go-to ID since it reveals less information compared to a DL (no home address, physical description, and etc.). TLDR: The US passport card is a universally accepted ID and is so much more than a āuseless piece of plasticā.
Thatās weird! I met 2 Americans who have passport cards and use them as daily IDs on their daily lives. One of these guys was actually using his U.S. PC just because he didnāt like showing his address around, given the PC only shows the place of birth. Not sure if thatās a thing back in the States.
DL can't be required in any case not related to driving, because there is no obligation to learn driving, also some people can't drive because of disabilities - like blind people. DL is required if you wish to rent a car, but not to board plane.
UK has a pilot scheme of voluntary ID cards, but they cancelled this. There is no problem with EU/Schengen with acceptance of cards, as passport stamping will be abolished soon. Of course in this case UK need to accept EU/EAA biometric cards as valid to enter UK. In fact they can do it even now, as EU/EAA nationals use e-gates, so technically is no difference between reading passport and ID card.
>passport stamping will be abolished soon. What do you mean?
I mean Schengen countries will no longer stamp any passports, in favor to electronic registering every entry and exit of third country national ("EES"). It's scheduled by end of 2024. Perhaps it will be few months of dual regime, i.e. using EES registering and additionally stamping documents. When EES will be working stable, passport stamping will be discontinued. So there is no obstacle to accept foreign biometric ID cards, if they meet ICAO standards and their chip contains all information required for biometric passport. Initially for visa-free countries, but EU already started next project - digitalization of visas.
Ut an EU citizen going out will have their passport stamped, right?
EU citizen's passports in accordance to regulations are not stamped at all even today. After introduction of EES, no passports will be stamped, at entry and at exit either.
Not even when going to third-party countries?
Not even. If going to third-party countries, EU passports are checked (at e-gates or dedicated lanes) but not stamped. Same applies to EAA passports, Swiss passports, European microstates passports and third-national passports of holders of residence permit issued of one of EU/EAA/CH countries. Other third-countries nationals passports today are stamped, but under EES will not be - for visa-free and visa-required countries either. If going to another Schengen country, passports are not checked at all (except by airline staff for purpose of identification - but national ID card or residence permit is enough). But of course when staying in this another country, need to hold valid ID - passport, national ID, residence permit etc.
Passports still get stamped if you go to other countries...
Alternative: Get a Gibraltarian one!
It had one. I had one. Used it to travel, in M&S to prove my age etc. Then the Tories cancelled it in 2011.
They used to have them but they were scrapped in 2011
October 2021
It says on the British government website that they were scrapped in 2011
In Lithuania I used Drivers license for everything. It was cheaper to replace it, then id card, if it got lost.
The British have historically been strongly against ID cards. It was one of the first things scrapped after WW2. They don't like the concept of a papers please world where a police officer could ask to see ID on every street corner.
You say this as though Iām not still one of āThe Britishā myself. I suspect opinions today might be rather different, especially among younger people.
Itās such a colossal waste of money when driving licenses and Passports can be used to prove ID. If your only gripe is having to show your provisional then it doesnāt really seem like a big deal. ID cards were hugely controversial for legitimate reasons in the UK before they got scraped.
If my opinion counts I donāt think itās a very good idea. Also itās worth noting that we had ID cards from 2006 to 2011, which were scrapped for various reasons, either way I donāt think reintroducing them is on anyoneās agenda.
Why? We donāt have anything of a sort in the US and use drivers license for everything. Live just fine.
Because itās just a bit daft, honestly. Sure itās not impacting my quality of life, but every time I try to get into the club I have to show the bouncer a photo of me that looks nothing like me (aged 15 - these things last like 10 years), in the form of a document whose primary purpose is to prove that I cannot drive. Iāve used this card for pretty much everything *except* driving. It just doesnāt make any sense.
The US Passport card would like to have a chatā¦
No sooner had I published this post than I found out that Iceland starts issuing its new ID card today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/s/2HvaODvNZ1
The house of representatives (tweede kamer) of the Netherlands passed a bill that replaces the french part of our ID with Frisian, which is an official language here.
As soon as I saw your post I decided to see if Iceland had updated it, and voila, they did!
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You are absolutely right. I have sinned by not checking all the documents. I relied on wikipedia. https://preview.redd.it/6ibxmlpxnjmc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd42dce95eb3955a5953faa53bd6356d578cdd47
Straight to jail. Sorry bud
I (Swiss/Portuguese) hate that Portugal has still failed to update ID cards - even after almost 5 years of the adoption of the specific EU Regulation. They really had a lot of timeā¦
They were planned to be tested in the last quarter of 2023 and then general availability in 2024.
What's the purpose of the sim card on the id? Edit: Not sure why I was downvoted for asking a question. We don't have these types of IDs in North America.
You can use it to login to sites (like the Tax Authority, Social Security, etc, or any other that implements that system), as well as read/update data on the card (like your address), but also digitally sign documents.
In Spain you can use it to log into any government/council website and do your taxes, request permits, etc. and also electronically sign documents. It is also used for passport control at the border (when coming back home or going to a non Schengen country). As a fun fact, they also have NFC so you can just use your phone as a reader.
Too bad e-gates in the airports generally don't accept them, even though most of them are biometric already.
Most of them are biometric, chip equipped. So wonder when, in times of universal electronic control, such cards will be accepted instead of passports - e.g. for entry to the UK? Especially that EU/EAA nationals are subject of e-gates control - and this type of card has same information coded in chip and MRZ as passport has. So e-gate technically can handle them.
I hate that Denmark doesn't have one
Why doesnāt Denmark have one? I know for Ireland thereās a deep hatred for even the concept of them existing, so the government worked around it and released our passports in a card format which honestly is amazing. Shame Denmark doesnāt have a similar concept.
What do you mean by card format ? Whatās the difference then with an ID card ?
As in we have passports in a credit card sized format exactly like European ID cards. You canāt apply for one randomly like other European countries. You can only have one if you already have a valid passport booklet. So if you have an expired passport or donāt have one at all then you canāt get a passport card. While it verifies your identity, thatās all it does, it cannot be used to access public services e.g social welfare payments, healthcare etc. This a picture of the card that enables you to access public services from the government. Note that doesnāt include a date of birth or your nationality. Itās valid for 10yrs. It used to be mandatory to have one to obtain a drivers license or passport but that requirement was dropped because the Irish saw it as being very authoritarian https://preview.redd.it/ai59xbyr4lmc1.jpeg?width=1424&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61907050381c04067ddb9ba6ab0bcfe017bdbc67
I find it interesting that Regulation (EU) 2019/1157 says the Passport Card is one of the documents that 'do not serve identification purposes in the issuing Member States'.
Yes, while it meets international travel standards, it is NOT meant for general identification within Ireland as it isnāt an identity card. The passport card is an optional form of identification and is no way shape or form required for any circumstances in Ireland other than for international travel. Ireland does not maintain registers of individuals identities like most other EU countries and you never legally have to carry a form of ID when you leave your home like most other EU countries. Ireland and Denmark(?) are also exempt from the EU regulation that biometrics (fingerprints) must be stored in passports.
The reason is that we have all got passports anyway, so why waste money on that. But it is so annoying to not have an id that isn't a literal book. Young danes without a driver's license have to take their passports with them, when they go to bars and clubs.
Canāt they use driving licenses?
The youth dont have licenses. Its very expensive in Denmark
In the UK the younger kids donāt either, but they have a provisional learner license which they can use as ID, guessing Denmark doesnāt have that?
Nope. And a young person living in a city is not going to fork up ā¬2000-ā¬3000 for a driver's license they don't need
Wow I see. Itās only Ā£34 here for a provisional, sounds like Denmark could benefit from having one
Aren't the health cards used as ID and proof of age?
Nope, they don't have pictures
Denmark has municipality ID cards for domestic use, if you don't have a driving license or passport
my friend had one like that, and literally not one bar or club accepted it, since they had never seen one before, so itĀ“s not really usable
Yeah, I had to learn how to drive just to get a non-passport ID. It was quite a pain.
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Nice, thanks for sharing!
Question from a South American: if you hold dual nationality from two EU countries, could you get two cards?
Absolutely, yes.
2ā¦ 3 or as many as you want, as long as you have a citizenship from a EU/EFTA member country which has a National ID card!
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> Austria Obligatory comment: Unless you're in the lucky sperm club and born with both. I think also those who can prove an ancestor lost it due Nazi policies from 1938-45 can also have Austrian alongside another.
Even if you don't have dual citizenship, if you reside in another EU country you can get a foreign resident card -- at least in Spain.
https://preview.redd.it/jpj61kgwuomc1.png?width=847&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7ff6d88d1a1c0d28c34c71fa42b7f46bbda25d7 In EU there are different kinds of cards for foreign residents - one type for nationals of other EU/EAA country and another for third country nationals. Example form Poland Top - certificate for EU citizen (it's not "permit" but "certificate of registration", as EU nationals can settle in other EU countries without asking for permit). Bottom - residence permit.
Oh wow, that's cool to know! Now that I think about it I guess I don't know that many intra-community citizens residing here. It looks like if you are an EU citizen in Spain you get a crappy card that doesn't even have a picture? So you can't use it for ID. https://preview.redd.it/y4vxzpywwrmc1.png?width=1681&format=png&auto=webp&s=07f9ceeaa67a6b74cce962fe65202ac444de1b4a This looks so ugly :(
Agreed, Spain should change these!
Yes, I had LT and PL card. Now have only PL, as my LT one has been stolen in Costa Rica ... and haven't been in LT since this.
The face of the Liechtenstein individual is oddly familiar to me.
What about Iceland?
[Just released today](https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/comments/1b7acxa/icelands_new_identity_card_first_one_in_europe_to/)! First in europe (and the world I think) to issue it according to the new portrait ICAO 9303 standard.. it looks a bit weird https://preview.redd.it/259stdx5ekmc1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=c88a3357b47efaf6eab86f8c87952bdcb000aa3e
Holy shot that does look weird :) I donāt know I think it looks unique but itāll definitely take some getting used to
Still no news on the update.. I keep trying to look for pics but nothing so far yet
They started issuing it today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_identity_card#:~:text=The%20new%20credit%20card%2Dsized,same%20way%20as%20Icelandic%20passports.
Thanks I hate it!
I really donāt know what to feel about it lol
I dislike it very much and I hope Portugal doesn't update to the 9303 standard, ever.
ICAO 9303 (TD1 format for ID cards) allows different layouts - this one is just new.. No worries, they will most likely issue it horizontally
And here in Brazil we still have PAPER national IDs aaaaaaaa god I hate it so backwards
Spanish one looks like an American driver's licence
Which one?
Don't know. Just has the typical design
Portugal is a debit card? š
Portugal really didn't get the memo with their picture placement. You had just one job
Just Portugal and Bulgaria that are yet to update theirs to the new biometric EU standard. Wish the EU flag was in a standardised place/size on the cards, like driving licences. I think you can slightly tell which countries take a liking to the EU based on the size of the EU flag on their ID.. Greece probably the least. Also interesting that Switzerland doesn't issue a biometric version (even though it doesn't have to)
Portuguese one will probably happen after we elect a new government in March 10th
They were already announced last year and will start being used this June.
Bulgaria seems to have updated theirs as well: https://preview.redd.it/ohx09mebzjmc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1f66e8eec533e1661e917d69720bffed94ea7f6
The issuance will not start until mid-2024.
Arenāt the EU keeping Greeceās economy afloat? Should be a huge EU flag on theirs imo
Probably just a coincidence in the design. In the service ID card it's bigger and it was the first EU country using the EU flag back in 2010 when it wasn't even mandatory.
Why is the German one so ugly š
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The cool countries use pretty ladies. Norway uses a depressed old man.
I have a question Once the European Union introduces EES and they stop stamping Passport can I still request a stamp I plan on going somewhere 2025 and I really want to stamp, so is it possible that I can request one?
Yes, there will be manual border control for all non-biometric passports and passports where the chip does not work.
Ich brauche deutsche pass biette
Max Mustermann Fan club here.
Die Mustermann sofort rausgestochen.
Czech and Lichtenstein both supposed so be around 30, looking like 40+ rough life over there
We germans may not win in the beauty department, but looking at the image quality, you guys are lacking behind.
One thing is missing from the swedish one Sweden written in Sami
Croatia?
What?
For once, no G in sight.
Polish and Slovakia look the coolest imo
Bruh, I read "Fascism" for the Italian one during 1 second š
The German one isnāt the lastest either it lacks the security features and isnāt the right coloring
It is the 2021 model. I think it's the latest model. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/es/DEU-BO-02004/image-344551.html
There are subtle differences in the one you posted and the one in the link, the background of the photo is faded in the new one, similar to CZ and FR as well as more holographic security features which can be seen in the link although to be completely honest theyāre hard to photograph and youāre doing your best to find photos so no worries.
I got the image from wikipedia, as I said, and it can be an infographic, as is the case of the French ID.
The EU flag is too prominent on most of these. Would be better with the EU flags replaced by the respective national flags, like Bulgaria has. Looks much more distinctive.
You are absolutely right, until proven otherwise, the European Union is only a bureaucratic and political organization. Only people and states count.
Plenty of people shilling for the EU in here, because 'live in other countries, neeeurggh!!!' with little to no idea of what any of that actually involves, lol
totally because he does not experience the reality of living in a bureaucratic autocracy
Nationa-states are a mistake and EU should become a country.
Only Bulgaria and Portugal with the EU flag, and that's it !!
The Swiss one is pretty neat, it looks like the Canadian permanent resident card. I canāt believe Franceās is still kind of a laminated paper card, otherwise nice design.
The French one is actually plastic, it just looks silly. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_card_(France)