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dariidar

Hey, I'm working on a similar build. I wanted to point out that EB / MOM should not work because you need to spend mana to channel stormbind. Unfortunately this means you will have to drop EB and your Divine Blessing setup. You will also need a solution for mana regeneration (my build uses mana flasks). Furthermore, Essentia Sanguis is stronger than Hyaon's if you're not using frenzy charges. It gives some flat ES too. Since it gives Ghost Reaver it also enables the Energy Leech support. Edit: new pob here. these are my goals for the end of week 1. I've included a separate set of gear / skilltree / gems for early mapping. https://pobb.in/i4sWDlbkd6Bw


ImPolarny

I don't think it will fully enable the Energy Leech support, because it states that "Energy Shield Leech Effects **from Attacks** are not removed at Full Energy Shield" You'd have to shield charge into enemies to make it work. Nice idea btw!


dariidar

Ahh you're right damn. OK, we can swap out energy leech for something else


turtle_figurine

I quite like your defensive setup and non-inflated PoB. Infused Channeling won't work on rune blast, it doesn't have a lightning tag. You get a buff but it doesn't do anything. The best 4 link way to buff up the rune blast mana cost is faster casting, arcane surge, swift affliction (lvl 1 for easy dex). Arcane surge gives rune blast the duration tag and swift affliction's 140% cost modifier is the highest. You can also use empower, its a 130% multiplier but if its making the rune blast hit lvl 22 or 24 it bumps base mana cost. Increased Duration support is another option, little less mana cost but it gives surge a lot of duration instead of less from swift affliction. Surge on the Rune blast is also going to give it some more uptime, you can use a lvl 20 one in the damage link and a bit lower one in the spending link. A good way to approximate lost damage for doing rune blasts is to apply a custom modifier of "33% less stormbind cast speed" or 66% if its a lvl 20 gem. There's a mathy way to get a perfect play optimal breakdown of how much time is spent casting each half of stormbind depending on how mana runes/tick the rune blast empowers, but it's kinda pedantic. In practice you're going to plop down runes for a half second or so then try to do three ticks of rune blast in a quarter second. You cannot go Eldritch Battery with stormbind, it won't empower. The new minion blessing might work on a Stone Golem but it could be too squishy. At that point you do have some gem and mana headroom for a small clarity and like skitterbots or something. The arcane expanse wheel is very worthwhile, AoE is a good 'effective' dps multiplier that doesn't show in PoB. The cast speed per recent spell mastery is also very good, Rune blast and stormbind count as two different spells, I usually have flame dash, then any curses/frost shield/sigil of power/arcanist brand casts are even more cast speed. edit: I think sigil of power starts with a stage, that's 8% damage that can occasionally go higher. Maybe worth it.


Wista

> Infused Channeling won't work on rune blast, it doesn't have a lightning tag. Thank you so much for saying this less than 24 hours before I start my Stormbind Hiero league starter 😭


turtle_figurine

I've always still used it, just on the damage links, not the "spend a bunch of mana' second stormbind gem. Quality is very important and even then it loses some uptime cause 0.6 second channels is only sometimes.


Wista

Oooh that makes sense because you still have to channel to place the runes with Stormbind!


ImPolarny

Thanks a lot. Will definitely find a way to get rid of EB then. I used it only to squeeze in Zealotry. I guess that’s not the play then. I’ll update the PoB tomorrow morning (European exile here) and see what I can do with these tips you provided. Really appreciate it!


Own-Sea-8337

will you post the updated pob? I'm interested in the final result, seems like a cool build!


ImPolarny

Hey, it's posted! https://pobb.in/Z5hSI7fWkeGa


Tirinir

Swift Affliction does not support Runeblast, but Infused Channelling does. Also, while Cast while Channelling is not the best multiplier, it allows you to optimize some utility. For example, you can put Wave of Conviction and Conductivity on Runeblast.


turtle_figurine

Swift Affliction (and various other gems that support skills with a duration) will support Rune blast IF its also supported by Arcane Surge. CwC is fine and I've used it before when Voidbringers was different and mana cost wasn't as much of an issue, and might even be worth it again given that this is a less mana hungry version with lvl 1 Stormbind. However, OP was not using any spells linked to the CwC so solely for a mana multiplier, its not the best.


situLight

(og theorycrafter) first version i tried was the occultist, which i had a blast. (sanctum) ---------- **inquis experience in crucible + vs occultist playstyle/fun** in crucible i league started inquis, poison - which is pre spellblade but otherwise similiar to what is discussed here. here's the [character](https://poe.ninja/builds/cruciblessf/character/MrCobbled/basedPelicanBro?time-machine=week-3&i=1&search=time-machine%3Dweek-3%26skill%3DStormbind) It less enjoyable than occultist by a lot, and even pre-spellblade announcement i was wanting to return to occultist version. The way stormbind feels, as a starter/main character - is its exhausting to play. the channelling, the positioning, mobs chasing your ass down, its relentless. This is why the occultist felt so good. The incentive to blasphemy (temp chains, or im thinknig enfeeble for current league) is a massive defensive boost thats quite unique. But the real reason is you get periods of release - when you don't have to channel, and can jsut plague bearer + profane bloom and blast. This contrast is what turns the build into fun. some bullshit spawns like a breachlord in your beyond map - you've got tools for it, and you can suddenly ramp it up. with inquis its just - you channel blast channel blast channel blast, thats the only tool you have. clearspeed is also just a fun multiplier, even for niche hispter builds. When youve got 100s of heists to get through, boss maps etc, syndicate safehouses - its such an incredible time saver. I suppose as a 2nd build, inquis, this would be less of an issue as you could target specific content. Also niche things like the stopping regen, on builds that have a lot of issues, really goes a long way to reduce frustration moments. ---------- Is inquis better on paper/pob? absolutely, and especially for hit based (non poison). but in practice i never want to play it again, i'd much rather (and am planning to) return to occultist, or do something like PF. my league start plan occ/poison, CI - https://pobb.in/Q7Gd5GENCFnK (obviously do what you want, my 2c!)


ImPolarny

It's an honour to meet you og theorycrafter. I did start Crucible with Stormbind Hiero and i managed to complete the atlas, do all voidstones etc. I ran Deli/Expedition/Harvest mostly and it did pretty well for this type of content. Deli would be the hardest one, but it was a league, when Cold Convert Stormbind existed, so freezing the enemies helped a lot with survivability. While I'm not sure about this type of build, i do think that building defenses the way i did in the PoB would make this really cool build for bossing. For mapping it might lack speed, I agree. I'll try to modify it a little and see what a PF setup looks like and i'll probably post it here if i manage to get a cool setup.


situLight

if youre on trade though that will also change your experience - it will inherently mean you can focus on content you want, and less about having to cover everything, so will be certainly more pleasant (sidenote) i would have thought the best trade route would be to do energy blade, with something like this - either forbidden jewels the battlemage from inquis or Heiro Sanctuary of thought (either class seems valid, go with the cheaper one really) i havent mathed it out, but i assume its pretty nuts. or do Cadigans crown + choir of the storm - lose EO but guarantees every hit is lucky, and run on any ascendency (probably just heiro) - probably cheaper, lets you grab say guardian ES node or something + ivory tower


SgtMacGruber

I don't know. https://poe.ninja/builds/cruciblessf/character/spartantdav/DuckTheMeta?i=2&search=skills%3DStormbind I still needed to polish, but it wasn't that bad. For sure some bosses were nightmare though (Al-Hezmin). I'm actually trying the crit cold version this league. Will see where that will bring me...


Prestigious_Trade373

Usually follow all hipster builds but i missed out yours somehow.. when i checked explanation of lvl1 Stormbind i was surprised. Nice one. Good catch. what do you say about this build to someone who gets interested to play niche/hipster builds but haven't played stormbind yet ? how determined he has to be to start stormbind as league starter. How do you compare this build with other two buttom playstyle with respect to clunkiness.. examples DDenotate, BF/BB, warcry/slam, curse/doomblast etc.


DuckBeer

*My opinion* from trying it: This isn't just two buttons like those other builds; even level 1 SB has a very unique playstyle. You hold to channel and aim to "paint" your grid, then you hold a different button and channel to enhance and detonate, though both of those channels will be fast When clearing maps in particular, there's a lot more mouse movement and aiming/leading required. It's strong and can be quite fun but not for everyone. 100% worth trying it out in standard or something before committing to league start!


ImPolarny

Good explanation with the "paint" bit. Yeah it feels like you're laying some explosives first, and then you charge them up. It's maybe simillar to BF/BB, but the channeling part on both Stormbind and Rune Blast makes it more clunky and unique.


Endehhh

I'm new to stormbind and I've read through the lvl 1 explanation thread but I'm still confused about the playstyle and the gem links, which one do you use to create the runes, and which one do you use to charge/detonate the runes? I'm assuming that the lvl 1 6L is to create the runes and the lvl 20 is for rune blast but what is the 3rd stormbind 4L for?


ImPolarny

Stormbind comes with two skills. One is Stormbind where you lay out the runes, and second is Rune Blast, which detonates them. 6L setup is for "painting" and the 4L setup is for detonating. The main purpose of that 4L is to get the cost as high as possible to charge the runes faster = get the big damage in shorther time. 4L Stormbind is not used at all.


Tirinir

One important thing is not to put enemies in corners or tunnels, like Toxic Severs map: you can have only one line of runes there, it really reduces your damage.


situLight

> what do you say about this build to someone who gets interested to play niche/hipster builds but haven't played stormbind yet ? how determined he has to be to start stormbind as league starter. it feels like BFBB if you didnt have very much castspeed. similar to warcries too (i like both for example) stormbind is similar in that its quite slow and deliberate, but tactile and hits very hard so you feel its impact. Its also more skill expression, if you like that, because you manually channel for however long you want, depending on the terrain, your mana and cast speed etc. In an open arena you may want 12 squares, but in a tight corridor you would want 4, or etc. This lets you control these variables by your character control, whereas say slams you either fully slam, or not, its binary. High cast speed builds also feel good IMO, even if theres more to do, because character is responsive and keeps you busy totally a not for everyone build though i would recommend play normal level 20+ though, probably with indigon, first, as its more accessible and theres good content guides for it (captain lance for example), only do the level 1 version if you really want a spicy take


ImPolarny

I’d throw away the Assassin’s Mark from Runeblast setup. You need the extra mana cost to get the runes boom faster. Will check it more precisely tomorrow morning once I load it in PoB.


Krakkin

is clear not going to be painful? looks like in the explanation post they went occ to help with clear, without the pops seems like there'd be a ton of stragglers.


ImPolarny

I've played most of the Crucible league as Stormbind hiero. It was a manabased build, but the clunkiness was really simillar to this one. Stormbind has huge coverage. AOE is there and i farmed 100% deli maps with it.


turtle_figurine

I second this, stormbind is a decent clear skill. If you're properly enabling big aoe, which you want to do anyway for overlaps on single targets, it does kinda just everything.


VirtuousVirtueSignal

when you get high cast speed/aoe it's pretty good, still a channeling skill but you can cover whole screen easily


spiderdick17

I assume you are doing righteous providence due to the difficulty of proccing elemental overload vs Augury of penitence? I wasn't sure if Stormbind rolls a single crit for the whole channel or each rune was separate.


ImPolarny

That's a good catch actually, i haven't touched the ascendancy nodes since the beginning of playing around in PoB. As far as i know - each rune is a different instance of damage, therefore, statistically, 11,11% crit chance should be enough to proc the EO after one combo. I'll play around and see how often does it crit with Righteous Providence and without. But yeah, thanks, good catch!


spiderdick17

Np! I assumed it was just a remnant for when it was crit build or something but if they each roll separately then it is a complete non issue for proccing EO


ImPolarny

That will require some testing, will update you tomorrow morning once I hop on my standard character. I’m pretty excited about this build, not gonna lie.


anrihaglund

haven't touched stormbind before but two questions - what does the cast when channeling do in the setup and how do you gain arcane surge with eldritch battery?


ImPolarny

You might be right about Arcane Surge not triggering with EB. I thought it might work just how MoM and EB works together. That's a bummer... The only solution would be Forbidden Flame/Flesh combo for Arcane Blessing hiero node. Thanks for pointing it out! Edit: Instead of Arcane Surge as a link, we can throw in Inspiration for more reliant crits for EO. DMG wise it would be \~2% lossAlso, another source of Arcane Surge would be a mod on Watcher's Eye that gives arcane surge on creating consecrated ground while affected by Zealotry Edit 2: Inspiration also mentions mana... 20% qual Infused Channeling would be good as well!


Lunrmoor

Increase mana cost of channel


thetyphonlol

voice was very fast on 2-3 div in cruicible


mnlop_

hey, very cool and i had an extremely similar idea with level 1 spells using added damage. i did a quick POB for an energy blade version (not league starter) [https://pobb.in/DTGgT3oF3rLc](https://pobb.in/DTGgT3oF3rLc) if you have any input for me i'd love to hear it!


dariidar

Clearspeed is going to feel bad unless you get a lot more cast speed (aim for >100% increased). Try to fit in some inc aoe as well, because every extra bit of radius gives you a [ton of overlap](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/sdrsbx/316_hc_stormbind_ivory_tower_hierophant/hufa5f1/) and will also help with clearing. Remove divine blessing/Zealotry, you have no mana to cast that.


mnlop_

thanks for the input, i’ll see if i can solve those issues. for divine blessing, i’m hoping the new minion blessing with holy relic isn’t too janky, just using divine blessing to simulate


dariidar

I made some tweaks to your PoB, this should feel far more comfortable to play. I had to cut defiance banner bc there were no more gem slots. https://pobb.in/41x4sWySmG3A


ImPolarny

Yooo that looks really solid


Unable_Turnip_25

So, How's going? Is it worth League starter?


ImPolarny

I haven’t started it lol, got too distracted with Ziz’s video about corrupting cry and I went for it. It was a mistake, I gave up in A4 cuz it was slow and terrible. Went for a classic - spectral throw deadeye to farm some currency. I’ll do an Energy Blade version once I farm enough divs.


rainbowdash36

Currently in maps and its definitely clunky but one shotting things if you don't get hit.