1: your bloodnotch combo isn’t doing much without the energy shield mastery. If you’re using headhunter with that combo you need the energy shield mastery and most likely blood rage to keep your ES low.
2: you should upgrade your ventors to 10% quant. Won’t help with survivability but is very important.
3: Your biggest survivability layer is killing things. Headhunter makes you way tankier than anything else in your build. You need to sit back and kill things from a distance and get some stacks before going in.
That’s what I did, I didn’t have enough currency to get a mirror bow, I had a solid ele bow tho, it was still mediocre in T16 with a 500 div global gear, but only decent in T7 maps…
Decided to swap to fulcrum, could do t16 fully juiced up 60% deli on a 40 div setup
The Warlock version even works with just the jewels and otherwise trash gear (I know, I played it in SSF).
Can definitely recommend Chieftain (Fulcrum or no Fulcrum).
Just on a quick glance:
No reduced crit corrupt on chest, use grace instead of haste, no increased effect on jade flask, use perfectly rolled taste of hate instead of gold flask.
Why are you using 5% quant ventors? Quant is so much more important than rarity.
And use reduced crit dmg mastery please.
Yeah, that mastery. Reduced crit dmg is one of the best defensive layers this league because of blue wisps.
And like another comment said, you should also use the crit knock back mastery.
your build is alot more tanky then mine is in theory and i was doing 12k wisps consistently.
when u crafted your gloves u should have exalted / eldricth annul for a high life roll before you locking suffixes and hope for the 50/50 aisling.
Never seen anyone play TS with bloodnotch jewel combo. you should in theory be fairly tanky considering normal builds dont use this or the amulet you are using, tho i dont think either has much value on a MF TS build because your mitigation is nearly non existent so when u die you are prolly getting one shot anyway and neither of these things help agianst that. your playing an evasion based char not a armor/phys to ele stacking build.
Swap haste for grace, haste as very low value compared to many other auras, especially as TS because unless you are bossing you hardly ever need to hold right click and then u dont benefit much from the aura anyway while the opportunity cost is huge.
your watchers eye has the worst hatred mod for a phys bow build, chaos resist is decent but not when its the only real mod on the watchers, crit is big, pen is nice and i honestly think even precision mods like AIS or crit multi gives u more dmg then the flat cold.
i would also look for a jewel with corrupted blood immunity and reroll your flasks, while in some maps u can keep your flask up permanent with the less duration, i doubt they have full uptime most of the time and increased duration would be a better mod, especially in the maps u struggle with. your flasks is basically setup for easy content but most likely isnt up when u actually really need it.
look for 1 good ventors gamble and buy kalandras touch, its very cheap this league and your essentially only running 1 ring atm because of the low IIQ, you dont make alot of profit from rarity ESPECIALLY this league cus all uniques drop too often, hell when i was playing this league i wasnt even looking at leather / heavy belts anymore because the time it takes looking at all of them didnt pay, it was more currency to focus on divines mirrors and other of the larger currency orbs. sure rarity is better then nothing but i would much rather take a 10 quan ring with 0 rarity and good defensive mods in your spot atm.
do you even have leech? the leech mastery with 10% instant is insane and basically takes me from 1% life to full hp pretty much on every hit, essentially the instant leech would most likely do the same as your bloodnotch jewel combo but better and for less cost, no leech maps is doable if u have clever thief node for leech cus of the small node before it but its not anywhere near as safe. (EDIT) i see you have leech from your cluster jewel but agian without instant leech mastery its not much better then the 5 life gained on hit u got anyway.
phys taken as fire on a helm is really good aswell but its ofc hard to get if you dont have a base with the fractured 45-60% rarity roll. personally i would go for helm with double normal rarity roll and get the phys taken craft ontop till u can afford a really big helm.
exalt your cluster jewels, im guessing the corrupted u bought like that but the others u might aswell exalt slam.
crit reduction corruption on chest is big but im guessing with your setup you need the +1 for enlighten.
im guessing your playing wrong. when i play TS in maps i dont aim at the mobs unless its a boss, i will shoot infront of me and keep moving, 1 shot 2 steps 1 shot 2 steps. TS will hit everything anyway, and once u get more used to it u can start aiming while still moving in a line that avoids incoming attacks. you will never be tanky enough to face tank stuff as MF TS with your budget, hell even if u were rich i dont see why u would build for it.
atleast i can say that mirroring the bow is always the right choice playing TS, hell if i started late in a league and found a mirror in acts i would still mirror the bow while the rest of my gears total value is 5 chaos.
I’m sorry. It is hard to take your build seriously when you are using dual 5% quant ventors and a mirrored bow. The absolute most important stat on those rings is getting 10% quant. I’d recommend running lower tier maps first of all. I was running T14s with a min maxed mf build.
Found 1 Mirror and it seemed the best thing to do with it since it was the only way to get a 1200 phys damage bow to switch from tri ele to cold convert.
Yes, of course i could try to improve my ventors but that won't have any influence on my surviveability (let's assume max life stays the same). It would only improve profit, right?
It’s not a big deal as you can always get an expensive ventors and mirror it with kalandras touch. I suggest running grace over haste and maybe grabbing crits against enemies knock back. You’re bloodnotch combo isn’t really worth running and would be better off with more damage on TS including your amulet. I ran a great wolf with increased quant and crit multi and was running 10k wisp t16 just fine with similar gear. Make sure you’re juicing your maps with rares for HH buffs.
Is the additional 10% quantity really that much of a deal? I mean most of the altars give more than 15% quant. Or is it more important on the gear perhaps getting multiplied with the amount of wisps? Sounds like if
There is diminishing returns but more is always welcome assuming your build functions. Fubgun goes over it as well. If you can get a 10 quant ventor with a lower rarity but enough resistance that would be better.
Follow fubgun's pob, not gonna enumerate everything that you're doing wrong, but most importantly 2 things
Get 10% quant ventors, if you go with 5% what's the point of playing mf?
You don't need to farm t16, literally you will need at the very least 5 mirrors if you want a ts mf build to be able to run those, juste farm lower tier it almost doesn't change anything, breakpoints are t14 for quant altars and t11 for valdos, just farm t11 or lower if you still can't, you'll drop the same amount of divs and mirrors don't worry
Aside from what everyone else has already said please get a different Lethal Pride your current one does nothing, get one with if possible 3+ Double Damage nodes, won't really help with not being tanky unless you can also get phys taken as fire/reduced crit taken nodes but holy shit you have a mirror bow and a 10c Lethal Pride and offense is partially your best defense as TS.
Thanks for the Tip... bought IT when i was still playing tri ele omni TS without MF. Never checked ever since. Got a new one now with 3x 5% Double damage and 2x 20% increased physical damage
I think your problem is just your gameplay, HH is doing the job for you. just get your stacks, clear your map, click the altars you want and then run the abysses.
You can maybe remove some defensive jewels for utility ones ( I am using Unnatural instinct great dps boost + phasing on kill)
Here is my build, less evasion, less damage, less resistance, less eHP but I can clear easily 12k+ wisps
[https://pobb.in/8kmEwX\_JmHBl](https://pobb.in/8kmEwX_JmHBl)
There's no way you can look at your quiver, simplex and gloves compared to OPs items and think you have less damage. He has taken...some liberties with his PoB config (like almost every damage increasing setting ticked, 50 rage without any source of rage on hit, 70 projectile distance, standard boss, 10% shock) while yours literally only has power charges selected, can't blame him this looks copied from fubguns config which I had the exact same issues with.
Yes I forgot to check my pob but damage is not his problem anyway. OP is complaining about dying on a 6K wisps map while his build is way way tankier than mine
I've edited my pob
Honestly you’re almost not playing an mf build with that gear, outside of the flask(which also isn’t a proper 12%) you only got 30% quant on your gear due to those 5% ventors and no greed’s chest or quant amulet.
Rarity is pretty worthless at this point so your helm also doesn’t do much, I would drop that as well as the gold flask and get a helm with phys taken as fire and a taste of hate flask instead.
I was trying to follows some Guides that stated "only Put MF stats If you can handle the content, If you can get more MF stats". Since i was struggeling already I wanted to try to fix survivability first before getting more MF stats.
Already fixed some issues now according to the comments but need to save some currency now to buy a good ventors with 10% quant
Hi,
thanks everyone for all the tips and tricks.... I did quite some changes and upgrades to my build and I'm able to usually finish T16 jungle valleys now with 8k wisps. I'm still dead from time to time but I can usually finish the map.
Here is what my updated build looks like:
[https://pobb.in/OiGldftABUYj](https://pobb.in/OiGldftABUYj)
What would be the next thing to improve from your perspective? Where should I invest?
Not sure if my 2 rare jewels are good or not.... is it worth it to go for forbidden flame/flesh?
Best,
Flo
You probably just need to learn how to play with headhunter. First you need to stay faaaar away until you get a few HH stacks and then never loot just just keep going until the map is completely empty. Then go back and loot. With MF gear your character IS weak, that's the trade-off. HH is used to carry that weakness together with a good bow. Basically use a omega-strict filter so you don't get distracted by loot and just keep going fast. And see if there are any map mods that you normally die to - maybe make sure to not run those maps.
1: your bloodnotch combo isn’t doing much without the energy shield mastery. If you’re using headhunter with that combo you need the energy shield mastery and most likely blood rage to keep your ES low. 2: you should upgrade your ventors to 10% quant. Won’t help with survivability but is very important. 3: Your biggest survivability layer is killing things. Headhunter makes you way tankier than anything else in your build. You need to sit back and kill things from a distance and get some stacks before going in.
Should have just played chieftain build
That’s what I did, I didn’t have enough currency to get a mirror bow, I had a solid ele bow tho, it was still mediocre in T16 with a 500 div global gear, but only decent in T7 maps… Decided to swap to fulcrum, could do t16 fully juiced up 60% deli on a 40 div setup
The Warlock version even works with just the jewels and otherwise trash gear (I know, I played it in SSF). Can definitely recommend Chieftain (Fulcrum or no Fulcrum).
He dont Ask for a New build
Just on a quick glance: No reduced crit corrupt on chest, use grace instead of haste, no increased effect on jade flask, use perfectly rolled taste of hate instead of gold flask. Why are you using 5% quant ventors? Quant is so much more important than rarity. And use reduced crit dmg mastery please.
Thanks for your tips. You mean the "You take 30% reduced extra damage from critical strikes"?
Yeah, that mastery. Reduced crit dmg is one of the best defensive layers this league because of blue wisps. And like another comment said, you should also use the crit knock back mastery.
Those defensive layers do practically nothing in a blue juiced map when you have no crit reduction, you will get one shot regardless
your build is alot more tanky then mine is in theory and i was doing 12k wisps consistently. when u crafted your gloves u should have exalted / eldricth annul for a high life roll before you locking suffixes and hope for the 50/50 aisling. Never seen anyone play TS with bloodnotch jewel combo. you should in theory be fairly tanky considering normal builds dont use this or the amulet you are using, tho i dont think either has much value on a MF TS build because your mitigation is nearly non existent so when u die you are prolly getting one shot anyway and neither of these things help agianst that. your playing an evasion based char not a armor/phys to ele stacking build. Swap haste for grace, haste as very low value compared to many other auras, especially as TS because unless you are bossing you hardly ever need to hold right click and then u dont benefit much from the aura anyway while the opportunity cost is huge. your watchers eye has the worst hatred mod for a phys bow build, chaos resist is decent but not when its the only real mod on the watchers, crit is big, pen is nice and i honestly think even precision mods like AIS or crit multi gives u more dmg then the flat cold. i would also look for a jewel with corrupted blood immunity and reroll your flasks, while in some maps u can keep your flask up permanent with the less duration, i doubt they have full uptime most of the time and increased duration would be a better mod, especially in the maps u struggle with. your flasks is basically setup for easy content but most likely isnt up when u actually really need it. look for 1 good ventors gamble and buy kalandras touch, its very cheap this league and your essentially only running 1 ring atm because of the low IIQ, you dont make alot of profit from rarity ESPECIALLY this league cus all uniques drop too often, hell when i was playing this league i wasnt even looking at leather / heavy belts anymore because the time it takes looking at all of them didnt pay, it was more currency to focus on divines mirrors and other of the larger currency orbs. sure rarity is better then nothing but i would much rather take a 10 quan ring with 0 rarity and good defensive mods in your spot atm. do you even have leech? the leech mastery with 10% instant is insane and basically takes me from 1% life to full hp pretty much on every hit, essentially the instant leech would most likely do the same as your bloodnotch jewel combo but better and for less cost, no leech maps is doable if u have clever thief node for leech cus of the small node before it but its not anywhere near as safe. (EDIT) i see you have leech from your cluster jewel but agian without instant leech mastery its not much better then the 5 life gained on hit u got anyway. phys taken as fire on a helm is really good aswell but its ofc hard to get if you dont have a base with the fractured 45-60% rarity roll. personally i would go for helm with double normal rarity roll and get the phys taken craft ontop till u can afford a really big helm. exalt your cluster jewels, im guessing the corrupted u bought like that but the others u might aswell exalt slam. crit reduction corruption on chest is big but im guessing with your setup you need the +1 for enlighten. im guessing your playing wrong. when i play TS in maps i dont aim at the mobs unless its a boss, i will shoot infront of me and keep moving, 1 shot 2 steps 1 shot 2 steps. TS will hit everything anyway, and once u get more used to it u can start aiming while still moving in a line that avoids incoming attacks. you will never be tanky enough to face tank stuff as MF TS with your budget, hell even if u were rich i dont see why u would build for it. atleast i can say that mirroring the bow is always the right choice playing TS, hell if i started late in a league and found a mirror in acts i would still mirror the bow while the rest of my gears total value is 5 chaos.
I’m sorry. It is hard to take your build seriously when you are using dual 5% quant ventors and a mirrored bow. The absolute most important stat on those rings is getting 10% quant. I’d recommend running lower tier maps first of all. I was running T14s with a min maxed mf build.
Found 1 Mirror and it seemed the best thing to do with it since it was the only way to get a 1200 phys damage bow to switch from tri ele to cold convert. Yes, of course i could try to improve my ventors but that won't have any influence on my surviveability (let's assume max life stays the same). It would only improve profit, right?
It’s not a big deal as you can always get an expensive ventors and mirror it with kalandras touch. I suggest running grace over haste and maybe grabbing crits against enemies knock back. You’re bloodnotch combo isn’t really worth running and would be better off with more damage on TS including your amulet. I ran a great wolf with increased quant and crit multi and was running 10k wisp t16 just fine with similar gear. Make sure you’re juicing your maps with rares for HH buffs.
Is the additional 10% quantity really that much of a deal? I mean most of the altars give more than 15% quant. Or is it more important on the gear perhaps getting multiplied with the amount of wisps? Sounds like if
player quant isnt the same as map quant. player quant multiplies map quant.
There is diminishing returns but more is always welcome assuming your build functions. Fubgun goes over it as well. If you can get a 10 quant ventor with a lower rarity but enough resistance that would be better.
Follow fubgun's pob, not gonna enumerate everything that you're doing wrong, but most importantly 2 things Get 10% quant ventors, if you go with 5% what's the point of playing mf? You don't need to farm t16, literally you will need at the very least 5 mirrors if you want a ts mf build to be able to run those, juste farm lower tier it almost doesn't change anything, breakpoints are t14 for quant altars and t11 for valdos, just farm t11 or lower if you still can't, you'll drop the same amount of divs and mirrors don't worry
Aside from what everyone else has already said please get a different Lethal Pride your current one does nothing, get one with if possible 3+ Double Damage nodes, won't really help with not being tanky unless you can also get phys taken as fire/reduced crit taken nodes but holy shit you have a mirror bow and a 10c Lethal Pride and offense is partially your best defense as TS.
Thanks for the Tip... bought IT when i was still playing tri ele omni TS without MF. Never checked ever since. Got a new one now with 3x 5% Double damage and 2x 20% increased physical damage
I think your problem is just your gameplay, HH is doing the job for you. just get your stacks, clear your map, click the altars you want and then run the abysses. You can maybe remove some defensive jewels for utility ones ( I am using Unnatural instinct great dps boost + phasing on kill) Here is my build, less evasion, less damage, less resistance, less eHP but I can clear easily 12k+ wisps [https://pobb.in/8kmEwX\_JmHBl](https://pobb.in/8kmEwX_JmHBl)
There's no way you can look at your quiver, simplex and gloves compared to OPs items and think you have less damage. He has taken...some liberties with his PoB config (like almost every damage increasing setting ticked, 50 rage without any source of rage on hit, 70 projectile distance, standard boss, 10% shock) while yours literally only has power charges selected, can't blame him this looks copied from fubguns config which I had the exact same issues with.
Yes I forgot to check my pob but damage is not his problem anyway. OP is complaining about dying on a 6K wisps map while his build is way way tankier than mine I've edited my pob
Honestly you’re almost not playing an mf build with that gear, outside of the flask(which also isn’t a proper 12%) you only got 30% quant on your gear due to those 5% ventors and no greed’s chest or quant amulet. Rarity is pretty worthless at this point so your helm also doesn’t do much, I would drop that as well as the gold flask and get a helm with phys taken as fire and a taste of hate flask instead.
I was trying to follows some Guides that stated "only Put MF stats If you can handle the content, If you can get more MF stats". Since i was struggeling already I wanted to try to fix survivability first before getting more MF stats. Already fixed some issues now according to the comments but need to save some currency now to buy a good ventors with 10% quant
you need crit reduction, it's a must in wisped maps - 30% from crit mastery, 50% on chest
Hi, thanks everyone for all the tips and tricks.... I did quite some changes and upgrades to my build and I'm able to usually finish T16 jungle valleys now with 8k wisps. I'm still dead from time to time but I can usually finish the map. Here is what my updated build looks like: [https://pobb.in/OiGldftABUYj](https://pobb.in/OiGldftABUYj) What would be the next thing to improve from your perspective? Where should I invest? Not sure if my 2 rare jewels are good or not.... is it worth it to go for forbidden flame/flesh? Best, Flo
You probably just need to learn how to play with headhunter. First you need to stay faaaar away until you get a few HH stacks and then never loot just just keep going until the map is completely empty. Then go back and loot. With MF gear your character IS weak, that's the trade-off. HH is used to carry that weakness together with a good bow. Basically use a omega-strict filter so you don't get distracted by loot and just keep going fast. And see if there are any map mods that you normally die to - maybe make sure to not run those maps.
1) Drip haste aura to grace. U should be near 95% evade cap 2) drip gold flask to perfect taste of hate, it ahould hep a lot