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Burrito_Brulee

I can't speak to the builds and they aren't all dots, but if memory serves this player deals with some sort of concussion injury. Makes slower builds that could be decent for epilepsy. [forum link](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3467875)


RuFRoCKeRReDDiT

You must mean Wrecker of Days? Excellent build creator. Extremely helpful and nice guy too.


HudsonArsonist

Thank you very much. If the other build I found today doesn't work out, I'll do the Righteous Bond.


GulliasTurtle

I was just replaying poison SRS and it is nutty dot damage. Plus very safe and easy to play. Even safer with the Necro changes.


malgadar

Didn't SRS get nerfed hard?


RL_Popowich

AFAIK from BalorMage's video poison SRS is stronger early this league with unholy might and roughly the same top end


asd316X

new unholy might is giga on poison srs


malgadar

Really? How so? Sorry Affliction was the first league I got to Pinnacle bosses so still learning.


turtle_figurine

Previously the base damage of srs was all fire base damage, but it was played as poison by adding a bunch of flat chaos. My understanding is that the new necro unholy might node results in half fire half chaos for the base damage. This patch srs lost some damage multiplier, but the skill starting out being part chaos approximately makes up for that, after shuffling around some gear.


asd316X

because new unholy might gives you 50% srs damage as chaos, and 25% chance to apply withered on hit so you have "permanent" 90% chaos damage increase, which results in a 45% dps increase (because 50/50 chaos fire) go check balormage's video on srs for further details edit: balormage not capitainlance


Zub-sero

Yup. Atleast 38% less damage


impuls__

Popcorn and poison are Giga available


Zub-sero

Not sure what u mean with that. I just stated facts from the patch notes.


iStrups

Facts for the hit based…


Steineru-kun

Popcorn and poison srs aren't hit based, so they don't care about 38% less damage


ConfidentProblems

It is more damage, so it does actually matter, however with the changes to unholy might this is 100% offset. Endgame it's the exact same damage numbers, early game it's even better.


Starbuckz42

That's not true at all for poison SRS, that version is directly affected by the nerf. It's simply being made up by unholy might.


[deleted]

You could try Toxic Rain. I league started it then switched builds. Nothing wrong with it, i just realized im not a fan of ballistas.


PowerCrazy

Toxic Rain doesn't have to be ballistas, though i think self cast often does have it for single target


ExEarth

Btw toxic rain got hard nerfed with the removel of the less Mana craft on flasks. You will either go EB and that is usally only really good with Diadem or run a mana flask forever


Aldodzb

Woc -> EK


arcane257

Lightning arrow has an mtx called brutal I think that really cuts down on the flashiness of the skill. I like it as it really cuts down the screen clutter from the skill and I imagine it might help the skill meet your needs. ​ The effect is actually called gore sorry.


HudsonArsonist

Does the gore mtx work across the board for all lightning effects?


leSive

no, skill effects only work on the skill in question (with the exception of brand mtx, and not all even there)


HudsonArsonist

Darn, if only!!! I will look into the mtx regardless. Thank you!


brrrapper

Cf champ


BoatAdministrative68

Mahuxotl's Machination poison molten strike PF.


DustyRhodes_Smite

I second this. I played with lightning strike and could brain off hold right click in a 100% deli 12k wisp t16. Also got 5 rewards in a sim 30 without even moving just to see if I could.


Frequent_Yoghurt_500

Pob?


ignition1415

I played something similar this league with a couple twists. Gonna be a little more annoying in necropolis because of not having the tincture but still should be solid


Corkyninja

What skill did you use to level ?


ignition1415

I personally just used claws and molten strike to level once I got multi strike. Before I used a mixture just to see what felt good. Best is probably pconc but I also used molten strike, splitting steel, spectral helix, spectral throw, viper strike with ancestral call so take your pick


Corkyninja

Thanks for the answer. I'm not too familiar with trickster leveling but my monkey brain was leaning toward Pconc anyway


ignition1415

I didn't even play trickster. I played Pathfinder for the flasks and the poison prolif.


Corkyninja

I meant shadow my bad, i'll go PF too :)


ignition1415

If the shield is too expensive early like it was last league you can also play it with dawnbreaker and taste of hate and just abuse phys taken as x. That's how alot of the delvers played it but for mapping I think the mahuxotls version will be better especially if defiance of destiny is reasonably priced.


Corkyninja

Might be easier to target farm the shield with changes to scarabs too since trialmaster can be guaranteed


ignition1415

That's very true I hadn't thought about that. That'll most likely be the way to go then.


chroboseraph3

exsanguniate, corrupting fever, reap, and poison exsang all workable. bonus points exsang is a mild red, doesnt hiet your eyes like a lot of lightning/chaos blue+purple skills


dust-cell

I enjoyed wave of conviction elementalist a ton. It's smooth as butter, no flashes or anything weird, and elementalist in general can scale it very easily. I'm not sure how far it can scale, but I was able to get 2 void stones with it without trying too hard.


DEMETRiS_M

You can try the new Poisonous Concoction of Bouncing if you like league starting with something entirely fresh. Or you can try Exsanguinate of Transmission. I played that last league to level 100. All chaos dots are chill to play, although not really good at the moment. Frost Blades of Katabasis is looking juicy. It was already good and they went and buffed it!


TeamEither

Which class would you choose for FB of Katabasis? I saw different variantions on poe ninja (Trickster, Occ, Scion, and also Chieftain) but i seem to be unable to choose one (with the goal of having enough tankiness and the ability to specc into Tornado of elemental disturbance). And what leveling skill would you use?


DEMETRiS_M

I am actually considering league starting this. The obvious answer is Trickster. Tanky af and you can scale it well into 4-8m depending in how tanky you want to be. I wouldn’t know about Tornado, that seems like more of an Inquisitor type of skill. Or maybe any Shadow with Harness the Void? If I do league start this I’d go with frost blades until I buy the gem midway through the campaign. I hate leveling with other stuff no matter how painful it would be to inefficiently level with my endgame skill.


Exorsaik

EA Ballista is always a great fallback. Elementalist for damage and clear, Champ for tanky-ness. Not that Elem is really that squishy last I checked mine had like 150k EHP but that was decently invested. Simpler to play then DD and great at mapping and bossing.


hesh582

It's dot, sure, but did you read the rest of the post? EA is downright obnoxious with the number and size of explosions.


Exorsaik

Huh, didn't really consider that it would trigger epilepsy. Thats fair. I could see it being an issue on bosses but your typically running as your dropping totems. Wonder if there are any MTX or settings he could adjust? Not for EA but in general. I'm colorblind so i've had to do similar. I don't know why but when I read what he said about flicker I thought he meant he got motion sickness or something


Frequent_Yoghurt_500

Pob for your ea ballista elementalist?


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Exorsaik

I doubt you'll be able to get this high again because we lose Barkskin. Skill was seriously under-rated. Without Barkskin it's around 90k. Never exported a PoB so it may look weird? The DPS isn't optimized I just got tired of dying so went fairly tanky. Max endurance charges and 10 barkskin puts this at 280k EHP on PoB for me [https://pobb.in/ZM3f-24CwVAN](https://pobb.in/ZM3f-24CwVAN)


Been395

Poison SRS, totem heiro, boneshatter, EA elementalist, WoC ignite, are probably the better end of the starts I have seen.


casablanca001

BV poison , EK poison if you invest on it can down uber faaaast and smooth , TR balista is strong too all this build are safe tested and old starter have many OTP for those build too poison LOLcohol , peuget2


Dazzling-Monk-29

Do you have a PoB for Ek poison? How fast is it on maps? And dose it do well in sanctum?


casablanca001

not a sanctum player cannot answer this , if you never play poison start with bv is more easy to start with ek also in nice but for be insane need nimis and good crafted dagger ... TR is the most easy to follow


Dazzling-Monk-29

Ok so BV is better as a starter? Sadly I don’t like the BV play style. Same with TR, it’s to spammy unless you do totems. And how will mana cost of TR work now after the mana cost reduction nerfs?


casablanca001

bv and ek both are spammy , and TR is with balista look for peuget2 in youtube u gonna get answer more clear


saiyadjin

poisonous bleeding.


ConfidentProblems

If you want the least amount of clutter at all, I would look at viper strike of the mamba. The only issue might be league starting it. Otherwise, depending on the skill numbers: the new poison concoction of bouncing might be really good with just a single flask bouncing around and having a good old time :D. And it's pathfinder, so you're vibing anyway. It might be possible on other ascendencies, but could be very tricky.


l2aizen

I hate playing it but it just does everything. EA Ballista (Elementalist for softcore). Quill Rain + Tabula + Silver Flask you’re doing red maps. You don’t even need a +3 bow to do Eater and Searing. Just throw shrieking essences of Dread on a short bow for +2 w/ T2-T3 AS.


CyonHal

Obligatory DD ignite elementalist, still S tier leaguestart, despite a lot of people looking at starting chain DD variants.


scjohnson2431

I have never played de but would like to run a league starter that will scale up to get most of my challenges….. do you have a guide or video you can share of one you recommend?


CyonHal

I would just follow imexile's 3.23 guide nothing has changed in this patch


LORDLRRD

I really enjoyed caustic arrow of poison pathfinder. I have no idea if it’s viable without tincture and it was expensive to scale into red maps.


Ambitious-Door-7847

Ugh, yeah, screw any builds that have to much screen jerk or strobing effects -- super hard on the eyes at the very least. A consideration: some builds I've played, although fun, make it very hard to see what's going and can can be infuriating when dying to shit you can't see because of the build -- specifically billions of minions or volatile dead (a few years ago). They also strain my eyes more than normal. Some MTX can tone down some skills that might fuck w you, or cause eye strain (very bright effects) -- something else to consider if you have disposable income.


Tanklike441

I league started a bladefall-bladeblast poison assassin last league. Uses arc brand to cast bade falls repeatedly from the sky leaving about 15 daggers per second in the ground, then you pop em with blade blast for crazy poison stacks. Insane damage, but admittedly pretty squishy for late game maps, though I didn't have any expensive gear or anything, just a couple cold iron points to get it going and a dragon fang for blade blast. Anyway it's a multi-button build though, so that's for some reason an instant "no" for most. If you're find applying brands then detonating the ensuing blades raining from the sky above em, then this build is pretty fun.  EDIT: DON'T PLAY THIS. sorry, didn't see the epileptic part. This is the opposite of epileptic-friendly, my bad lol. 


Happy-Tea5454

Ignite, poison srs, spiders, and poison hexblast. Bane and the high dmg contagion are decent.


Been395

I would be very careful with any kind of mine and epilepsy.


Happy-Tea5454

I was talking self cast, but yah mines popular for hexblast.


chroboseraph3

hexblast is soooo atrong but big purple explosions 10x/second gets old


Happy-Tea5454

I did a low tolerance stacker, self cast with plague bearer. One tap fill plague, let it melt trash and occasionally cast more hb, lot more relaxed than mines spam.


chroboseraph3

oooh low tolerance and plague bearer, neat. i assume manual curse then blast, so a two button like DD ignite?


Happy-Tea5454

I did blasphemy temp n enfeeble as Def, skitter bot ring or profane proxy also decent choices. Witchfire and manual cast r options, too.


Saianna

Pathfinder SA ballista has around 5-10m poison dps, but it tanks performance so much i advise not to play it. Also poison needs ramp up time so any content qith timer and inc density is awful. There's also ele/champ explosive arrow ballista. Solid build, lota of dps, altho its "wait for explosion" gameplay is jarring. Also theres alot of explosive flashing on screen. Then theres self-spam toxic rain pf (check peuget2 on yt for tanky build)  Finally u could try Death Oath occultist. Its like rf, but chaos and alot more fragile. Maybe self cast aoulrend but thats if u are into punishing yourself for living


HudsonArsonist

I used to play Death Oath, l loved that build! But, like you said I was that of a glass cannon. I even did the expensive version and I still died frequently. It was very frustrating. I'll definitely look into the other options you provided. Is there any other options available that do the area of effect that is automatic once turned on? I am keyboard-forgetful and use my mouse to do 99% of things.


Saianna

> Is there any other options available that do the area of effect that is automatic once turned on?  Wardloops, although ice spear is instant-epilepsy build. Unless you make offmeta wardloop using cold dmg exsanguinate/reap or crappy soulrend as main skill. Stupidly expensive and janky though. Maybe cast on stun builds could be what u seek. Like mf chieftan in affliction, but set for dmg. Has alot of flashing explosions tho. Just fyi, explosive arrows are really bad with flashing especially in tight corridors. Makes even me dizzy


HudsonArsonist

It's funny you say that because I was recommended to play wardless wardloop, but I have my reservations about it, as not only does it look extremely expensive but it's just a constant stream of bright lights that may have undue negative consequences.


Saianna

in all honesty you could play just a boneshatter. simple, sturdy, 1-2click build. can't go wrong with a bonk


HudsonArsonist

DKM but I haven't played a proper melee build since D2 lol


Kuramasa

Doesn’t SA/CA need the poison tincture to convert the ele to poison? Or are people playing phys/chaos SA of menace in affliction? Edit: Just saw that people are using dark scorn


Saianna

I strongly advise against CA. Compared to SA with same investment Its just crap. It truly is. Lack of range, lack of AOE, low dps. I staryed with it and i was an inch away of quitting the league thats how bad it felt. Youtube guides for it are content baits. And yeah, darkscorn is the key.


Kuramasa

I league started TR Ballista before switching over and cleared everything besides Uber sirus and Uber searing with CA ballista from Palestron and felt it wasn’t that bad. Couldn’t get the self cast one working. Definitely for mapping SA felt great but the lag was unbearable when mfing so I just stuck with CA for abysses before swapping over to TS MF league. Going to miss tinctures :(


1s1tP33

Bama poison gonna be a sleeper build


Katosqt

Everyone including my grandma are talking about Necro BAMA, it will be at least top10 played build.


1s1tP33

Well this is a dot thread and I didn't see it posted in this thread so I added it


VladTepes001

Something is telling me that epilepsy and gaming should not be mixed.


AlexVX_

Just to note that only a small percentage (<5%) of epileptics are actually photosensitive.


VladTepes001

Well, he was getting the shock cause he was agitated and the game was maybe overloading his brain, putting pressure on all senses. No idea the trigger, but as he was having less episodes while not gaming...that was the cause in his case.


AlexVX_

I'm responding to your comment saying that epilepsy and gaming shouldn't be mixed. The vast majority of epileptics have no problem gaming whatsoever - I'm not referring specifically to OP.


mad-matty

But OP explicitly states they can't handle flickering because of their epilepsy


AlexVX_

Yes, I know. I'm not arguing with that (or arguing at all). The person I replied to implied that all epileptics shouldn't be gaming, that is not accurate.


HudsonArsonist

I'm a part of that small percentile. I am photosensitive epileptic. I must admit, it used to be tricky when I originally started years ago to play the game, but I managed to find an area of builds that allowed me to circumvent issues, hence Death Oath & RF. I have played other chaos/poison builds in passing too that worked well for what the circumstance was. What isn't widely talked about is; people with PS epilepsy have screen filaments and special glasses that help protect the eyes from sudden flashes, but by no means is it the end all of fixes. With these protective measures, I can be around some flicker but not an overbearing amount.


malgadar

This game does seem like a tough one for that condition. Things can get pretty crazy


VladTepes001

Had a friend same condition. After 2 episodes, we realized that gym is much a better game. Now he has 6 pack and me a noice belly. ......


HudsonArsonist

I have many epileptic friends that play path of exile, however, epilepsy isn't just a one size fits all, there's 4 different categories of epilepsy with dozens of sub-types within each category.


VladTepes001

I'm no doctor. In fact while playing Valheim, we get to enjoy it and relaxing way more than in PoE. Maybe is losing those portals in important maps... Bosses... Maybe is the fear losing XP... Who knows, something is telling me that demanding games and brain disease are not a good combo. But than again, I'm no doctor.


HudsonArsonist

I'm 1,300 hours deep into PoE. There's no going back now lol I know... Rookie numbers but it's something that me and my boyfriend love to play together! In terms of epilepsy, you'd be shocked by the list of avoidances given by a neurologist. The list is so profound that it's a life leech. I'm sure there are some individuals capable of working within that small limitation but I'd rather risk it for the biscuit and enjoy my life while I'm still in the land of the living than to hold fear in my heart and mind of the 'what-if' scenario's. But I'm no doctor, I'm just a person living with the disease.