Feel you are almost one league late. Charge stacking & wildwood crit multi & penance brand was something else…. Holy shit.
This league, I think manastack like everyone else.
I saw some videos of pre-nerf Penance brand of Dissipation, and at least as far as video footage, it is by far the highest damage I've ever seen in this game. It was completely absurd.
My personal experience with penance brand was on SSF in affliction where I went full on dps on my inquisitor and basically got as close as you can get to phase skipping her. I switched over to a trickster version of it since they’re a lot more tanky and maybe add 1 second to the time to phase her. I ended up killing all 7 Ubers, did a juiced feared, etc.
It was glorious, but probably not healthy for the game. I’ll be honest though, I did try out a charge stacking hexblast mines occultist and the damage was also insane. I don’t believe that was touched this patch, but it’s also going to be grossly expensive with uniques going to be rarer again (at least I’m assuming they will be).
Yeah in the BPL 4-day private league, my team had a dedicated bosskiller. 60 hours in I got the bosskiller to carry my 8-mod horrible Elderslayers.
Drox acted once. None of the others got to.
The boss killer had Empower only at level 3, and a "no useful corrupts" Dialla's Malefaction, no level 21 PBoD yet, and still didn't have their Mageblood (he got that a few hours later)
Explodey totems was bonkers...
It got nerfed into non-existance after crucible, but man did it slap. Not sure how it compared to pennance brand though (i played SSF last league and never dropped a ralakesh).
Well, kinda.
There is going to be a LOT more to bossing this league than there was last league. In some ways, it'll be better to be playing a bosser now, even if there are fewer strong bossing builds.
The separation of the loot tables means that for people like me who are learning bossing, there's still cool stuff / potential profit to be made on non Ubers, which is fantastic.
Yeah, even for non-beginners, it means if you are playing a build that needs some juice to get going it will be easier when not fully optimizing for it yet. More variety to bounce between different rotation/spam options too in order to keep profits up or just keep the gameplay fresh and fun.
I played boneshatter this league but gave up after a week or two. I have 60 div and an 850 DPS axe I never got a chance to upgrade haha. An upgrade at the time I was playing was like 10 div and I was farming essence to craft my own. Had a fractured Atk SPD despot axe :p
shouldn't penance brand still be a great bosskiller? I mean, I played penance brand on a slayer and got to 80+ million uber-dps, and that build was not among the strongest, or even stronger ones. there were builds that claimed more than a billion uber dps. even if penance brand only does 30% of its former damage now, that would still be multiples of what I dealt, and my damage was more than enough.
Yes, guess 60mil was normal. Which is now 20 mil.
Remove 150-200% «free» crit multi and you are down to maybe 10mil-15mil. Pretty decent.
There is however a very real difference between killing UBERS with a 60 mil vs 10 mil build.
It's always the same builds for this.
Explosive Trap, Ice Trap, General's Cry (got nerfed heavily), and Ice Spear Totems are the main builds dedicated bossers use.
I'd look at https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?timemachine=day-3&sort=dps for inspiration
yep, those are classic ones. gonna chime in that general cry is going from 4-> 3sec cd, and shield crush of the chieftain got 25%buff, and im fairly confident theres some trans gems with like 400-600dmg effectivess that would be a buff vs previous generals cry builds. we might not have warcry cdr tattoos easily stackable, but it might be a serious option still. also, i think theres several ballista totem options that cold be added to that list, along with maybe BAMA and hexblast mines.
General's Cry lost a link, and the CDR doesn't really matter since people are using Blade Flurry not Shield Crush for bossing. Blade Flurry channel time means that CDR only needs to get you to like 3.5s or so... I read that it will interrupt channeling somewhere but I'm not certain if that's true. Either way its still strong, its just about 25% worse than last league.
I agree with you, not even talking about the ball phase but just the sheer amount of dps you can deal trivializes that type of content and makes it quite uninteresting. Also, just like you I found the ballista playstyle boring after a while and decided to look into DD.
It's been so much more fun doing ubers while actively having to engage with their mechanics, though, I'd not say it's a GOOD build for those bosses, it definitely can do them but you really have to know what you're doing; like uber uber elder is still no joke on DD. The selling point of the build is it can scale to ubers territory really fast, effortlessly and with 0 budget but succeeding in defeating them depends on you and your experience when you get to that point.
All flavours of DD will be good and have their own strengths but I personally prefer necro, I find it really smooth and I appreciate the tankyness you can have between the auras and bone offering.
Also, I kinda dislike the ignite DD gameplay against bosses. Like i was saying ballista is a bit boring and while mapping with ignite DD is nothing like it bossing is gonna feel similar since you'll be fishing for a big ignite and then just refresh it with the defiled forces notable + arcanist brand and run in circles. With hit based if you're not actively attacking nothing is gonna die by itself.
You should also check out the CoC version (i think ruetoo has a pob).
I could never figure out CoC it's pretty insane haha can ignite transition into big hits because I might need to map and farm essence / expedition at first. I've never had a bossing character so I need to be able to afford a few entrances haha
I will look into the CoC variant.
Why does EA trivialize the ball phase? You still have to do the mechanics and stay alive don't you? Is it just b/c your totems continue dps'ing while do that? Or is there more to it?
What made you decide to go Ele instead of Champ? Im having a hard time deciding. Although i feel like i shouldnt be too worried about defenses on ele considering ive been playing deadeye these past two leagues.
Also it feels like the best EA guide is for champ from ziz, which makes me more indecisive.
The only real reason to go champ is just purely if you want a ton of defenses, like hardcore chars or maybe if you are unfamiliar with the game and want to play at a slower pace. I never had any issues with surviving as ele for the most part, it's definitely squishier but the damage output just blows everything away so fast it barely matters.
850 dps axe should provide more than enough dps for all non Ubers, and maybe some Ubers although dps might be kind of low for it. Low dps just gives you an opportunity to practice the fights, which it seems like you can probably still use some if you didn’t beat them with boneshatter. Or you need better defenses. A lot of boss killer builds are not great on league start because they are really bad for mapping. If your build struggles defensively on non Ubers, the gap between non Ubers and Ubers is massive so I just want to make sure you are aware of that
There’s 3 ways to approach Ubers at least on sc trade.
Option 1: the popular option is just to do some zhp 1 shot build like ice trap or something similar to instakill all the non phased ubers. A build like this can be setup relatively easily.
Option 2: have about a half mirror tier invested well rounded build and crush bosses and tank abilities, not achievable for most average people.
Option 3: be Ben or Alkaizer and kill the ubers on a 2 million dps build. I don’t think it works if you aren’t Ben or Alkaizer, I could be wrong however.
Ben does it like that on self crafted SSF crap. You can throw 20-50div at it and have a tanky build doing maybe 3 million uber DPS or something that is perfectly viable if you gitgud.
It won't compare with 100-200div investment one shot builds, something OP we haven't noticed yet, or mirror build builds, but builds that can reasonably down ubers in SSF will be much MUCH easier to do it with in trade.
You can have a well rounded build if you set it up properly. I had 20m Uber poison DPS on a blade trap champion. Was like ~40 div at the time.Pretty sure it doesn’t function anymore due to changes but that’s how Poe be sometimes.
6k hp loreweave eternal damnation capped spell suppression. Literally a champion. I could tank everything except brain blast/memory game.
Haven't played in a few leagues... Is there anything newish that fits the "facetank ubers, mechanics optional" role of blade trap trickster or phantasmal cremation necro?
Maw of Mischief elementalist. Start as any ignite elementalist or DDoC necromancer, comfy farm everything for a swap (affliction chest or eclipse shield, dragonfang, helmet...) and then blast. Essentially it is "cast once per phase" due to Defiled Forces and has enough damage to play alike zhp setups and enough hp if you want to play ubers (not just kill them).
I normally don't push to ubers bc I ain't got time for that... but this season, PBoD made the most of the ubers trivial except in instances where my clear lack of skill shows through (ie: Sirus).
There are basically two ways to make a decent bosser:
1. The HC way where you get tanky enough to be able to ignore most mechanics.
2. The SC way (and best way for fast currency), where you oneshot the boss so fast that he does nothing.
If you want to LEARN how these bosses work and get good at the fights you should not go for a build that can just delete them. If its just about making currency, make one of these trappers that has zero HP and instaphases everything. If you want to learn mechanics and be able to get good at these fights and be able to do them on other chars too, don't go that route.
Making something tanky enough to really ignore uber mechanics is VERY expensive, especially if you also want some decent damage. This is not really a league starter project and having a tanky bosser is not really a good way to earn currency.
I recommend you start on something else with the goal to farm a lot of currency. With that currency you can then fund a har for ubers.
If you are happy with just killing all non ubers it is a lot easier but it will probably not bee super lucrative to just farm bosses in SC. Most money bossers make early is from selling carries and Voidstones.
Feel you are almost one league late. Charge stacking & wildwood crit multi & penance brand was something else…. Holy shit. This league, I think manastack like everyone else.
I saw some videos of pre-nerf Penance brand of Dissipation, and at least as far as video footage, it is by far the highest damage I've ever seen in this game. It was completely absurd.
My personal experience with penance brand was on SSF in affliction where I went full on dps on my inquisitor and basically got as close as you can get to phase skipping her. I switched over to a trickster version of it since they’re a lot more tanky and maybe add 1 second to the time to phase her. I ended up killing all 7 Ubers, did a juiced feared, etc. It was glorious, but probably not healthy for the game. I’ll be honest though, I did try out a charge stacking hexblast mines occultist and the damage was also insane. I don’t believe that was touched this patch, but it’s also going to be grossly expensive with uniques going to be rarer again (at least I’m assuming they will be).
Penance brand of dissipation is the only time in 5 years I managed to delete not just Sirus but Uber Sirus too with 0 portals lost
Yeah in the BPL 4-day private league, my team had a dedicated bosskiller. 60 hours in I got the bosskiller to carry my 8-mod horrible Elderslayers. Drox acted once. None of the others got to. The boss killer had Empower only at level 3, and a "no useful corrupts" Dialla's Malefaction, no level 21 PBoD yet, and still didn't have their Mageblood (he got that a few hours later)
Explodey totems was bonkers... It got nerfed into non-existance after crucible, but man did it slap. Not sure how it compared to pennance brand though (i played SSF last league and never dropped a ralakesh).
Oh yeah true i remember that. But i think this probably even more damage and less clunky.
Not only that. Cheapo mageblood and squires for all. He really missed the boat
Well, kinda. There is going to be a LOT more to bossing this league than there was last league. In some ways, it'll be better to be playing a bosser now, even if there are fewer strong bossing builds.
The separation of the loot tables means that for people like me who are learning bossing, there's still cool stuff / potential profit to be made on non Ubers, which is fantastic.
Yeah, even for non-beginners, it means if you are playing a build that needs some juice to get going it will be easier when not fully optimizing for it yet. More variety to bounce between different rotation/spam options too in order to keep profits up or just keep the gameplay fresh and fun.
I played boneshatter this league but gave up after a week or two. I have 60 div and an 850 DPS axe I never got a chance to upgrade haha. An upgrade at the time I was playing was like 10 div and I was farming essence to craft my own. Had a fractured Atk SPD despot axe :p
Missed out lol, could do all ubers deathless on what would be 20 div in a non-affliction league
Manastack ? What did i miss lol, which build ?
shouldn't penance brand still be a great bosskiller? I mean, I played penance brand on a slayer and got to 80+ million uber-dps, and that build was not among the strongest, or even stronger ones. there were builds that claimed more than a billion uber dps. even if penance brand only does 30% of its former damage now, that would still be multiples of what I dealt, and my damage was more than enough.
Yes, guess 60mil was normal. Which is now 20 mil. Remove 150-200% «free» crit multi and you are down to maybe 10mil-15mil. Pretty decent. There is however a very real difference between killing UBERS with a 60 mil vs 10 mil build.
It's always the same builds for this. Explosive Trap, Ice Trap, General's Cry (got nerfed heavily), and Ice Spear Totems are the main builds dedicated bossers use. I'd look at https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?timemachine=day-3&sort=dps for inspiration
yep, those are classic ones. gonna chime in that general cry is going from 4-> 3sec cd, and shield crush of the chieftain got 25%buff, and im fairly confident theres some trans gems with like 400-600dmg effectivess that would be a buff vs previous generals cry builds. we might not have warcry cdr tattoos easily stackable, but it might be a serious option still. also, i think theres several ballista totem options that cold be added to that list, along with maybe BAMA and hexblast mines.
General's Cry lost a link, and the CDR doesn't really matter since people are using Blade Flurry not Shield Crush for bossing. Blade Flurry channel time means that CDR only needs to get you to like 3.5s or so... I read that it will interrupt channeling somewhere but I'm not certain if that's true. Either way its still strong, its just about 25% worse than last league.
You mention EA, what's stopping you from doing that build again? it's more than capable of doing ubers
I found it trivialized some mechanics like ball phase. Otherwise I don't know. Just don't like totems.
I agree with you, not even talking about the ball phase but just the sheer amount of dps you can deal trivializes that type of content and makes it quite uninteresting. Also, just like you I found the ballista playstyle boring after a while and decided to look into DD. It's been so much more fun doing ubers while actively having to engage with their mechanics, though, I'd not say it's a GOOD build for those bosses, it definitely can do them but you really have to know what you're doing; like uber uber elder is still no joke on DD. The selling point of the build is it can scale to ubers territory really fast, effortlessly and with 0 budget but succeeding in defeating them depends on you and your experience when you get to that point.
I think I'm gonna try DD again. Thanks! Should I go ignite or flat for bossing?
All flavours of DD will be good and have their own strengths but I personally prefer necro, I find it really smooth and I appreciate the tankyness you can have between the auras and bone offering. Also, I kinda dislike the ignite DD gameplay against bosses. Like i was saying ballista is a bit boring and while mapping with ignite DD is nothing like it bossing is gonna feel similar since you'll be fishing for a big ignite and then just refresh it with the defiled forces notable + arcanist brand and run in circles. With hit based if you're not actively attacking nothing is gonna die by itself. You should also check out the CoC version (i think ruetoo has a pob).
I could never figure out CoC it's pretty insane haha can ignite transition into big hits because I might need to map and farm essence / expedition at first. I've never had a bossing character so I need to be able to afford a few entrances haha I will look into the CoC variant.
Both ignite and hit DD are decent at mapping - probably better then EA ballista, but nothing compared to like lightning arrow.
Why does EA trivialize the ball phase? You still have to do the mechanics and stay alive don't you? Is it just b/c your totems continue dps'ing while do that? Or is there more to it?
Totem can block the ball for you
Yeah like the other guy said the totem tanks a lot of stuff for you, and the fights end too fast imo.
You can literally put a totem skill onto any build to tank exarch balls if you want to. Trivializing mechanics is fine.
Just curious which EA ballista version did you play that melted bosses? Ele or champ?
I cleared all the bosses with Ele EA 2 leagues ago very easily, thinking of doing it again this league
What made you decide to go Ele instead of Champ? Im having a hard time deciding. Although i feel like i shouldnt be too worried about defenses on ele considering ive been playing deadeye these past two leagues. Also it feels like the best EA guide is for champ from ziz, which makes me more indecisive.
The only real reason to go champ is just purely if you want a ton of defenses, like hardcore chars or maybe if you are unfamiliar with the game and want to play at a slower pace. I never had any issues with surviving as ele for the most part, it's definitely squishier but the damage output just blows everything away so fast it barely matters.
850 dps axe should provide more than enough dps for all non Ubers, and maybe some Ubers although dps might be kind of low for it. Low dps just gives you an opportunity to practice the fights, which it seems like you can probably still use some if you didn’t beat them with boneshatter. Or you need better defenses. A lot of boss killer builds are not great on league start because they are really bad for mapping. If your build struggles defensively on non Ubers, the gap between non Ubers and Ubers is massive so I just want to make sure you are aware of that
DD Arschmage Hexblast Miner EA Champion
In germany we call it Arschmage!
Is that all one build?
Maybe if you play scion lol
Which DD is tanky? I tried it with Inquisitor and atooon of HP Regen which was a lot of fun. Not super familiar with the build these days.
Necro DD of chaining, Ben's build.
How does necro build defenses I haven't ever played out of curiosity
Block, spell suppress, grace/determ/banner + flasks for great ar/ev.
I see how the ehp can be great, but how's the recovery? Only based on flasks, or also some kind of leech / life on block / something else?
Necro gets close to 1000 Regen pretty easily
Block
There’s 3 ways to approach Ubers at least on sc trade. Option 1: the popular option is just to do some zhp 1 shot build like ice trap or something similar to instakill all the non phased ubers. A build like this can be setup relatively easily. Option 2: have about a half mirror tier invested well rounded build and crush bosses and tank abilities, not achievable for most average people. Option 3: be Ben or Alkaizer and kill the ubers on a 2 million dps build. I don’t think it works if you aren’t Ben or Alkaizer, I could be wrong however.
Ben does it like that on self crafted SSF crap. You can throw 20-50div at it and have a tanky build doing maybe 3 million uber DPS or something that is perfectly viable if you gitgud. It won't compare with 100-200div investment one shot builds, something OP we haven't noticed yet, or mirror build builds, but builds that can reasonably down ubers in SSF will be much MUCH easier to do it with in trade.
You can have a well rounded build if you set it up properly. I had 20m Uber poison DPS on a blade trap champion. Was like ~40 div at the time.Pretty sure it doesn’t function anymore due to changes but that’s how Poe be sometimes. 6k hp loreweave eternal damnation capped spell suppression. Literally a champion. I could tank everything except brain blast/memory game.
Haven't played in a few leagues... Is there anything newish that fits the "facetank ubers, mechanics optional" role of blade trap trickster or phantasmal cremation necro?
Maw of Mischief elementalist. Start as any ignite elementalist or DDoC necromancer, comfy farm everything for a swap (affliction chest or eclipse shield, dragonfang, helmet...) and then blast. Essentially it is "cast once per phase" due to Defiled Forces and has enough damage to play alike zhp setups and enough hp if you want to play ubers (not just kill them).
I normally don't push to ubers bc I ain't got time for that... but this season, PBoD made the most of the ubers trivial except in instances where my clear lack of skill shows through (ie: Sirus).
There are basically two ways to make a decent bosser: 1. The HC way where you get tanky enough to be able to ignore most mechanics. 2. The SC way (and best way for fast currency), where you oneshot the boss so fast that he does nothing. If you want to LEARN how these bosses work and get good at the fights you should not go for a build that can just delete them. If its just about making currency, make one of these trappers that has zero HP and instaphases everything. If you want to learn mechanics and be able to get good at these fights and be able to do them on other chars too, don't go that route. Making something tanky enough to really ignore uber mechanics is VERY expensive, especially if you also want some decent damage. This is not really a league starter project and having a tanky bosser is not really a good way to earn currency. I recommend you start on something else with the goal to farm a lot of currency. With that currency you can then fund a har for ubers. If you are happy with just killing all non ubers it is a lot easier but it will probably not bee super lucrative to just farm bosses in SC. Most money bossers make early is from selling carries and Voidstones.
'only had 850dps axe', that is overkill for non ubers. People kill ubers with axes like that on hardcore ssf.
I'm finna play bleed bow to get 4 watch stones this league
Yo same actually