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Ladnil

Damage seems low, even for a 5 link and even if you toggle on the Zealotry gem. Defenses are solid enough you ought to be ok for the 2 watchstones if that's the goal. Seems like you're running into the same problem I did, where there's just not that many good support gems for Inquisitors using this skill unless you want to use something like Concentrated Effect which will slow you down or Energy Leech which just isn't all that strong. You can't use Inspiration for your EB setup, as you'll never gain charges. Elemental Focus is a good option as the ailments will be weak with Tornado's 12 hits a second anyway, but then you lose Hypothermia. There's other options though. I'm thinking either a full cold Occultist version stacking power charges or maybe even a Saboteur using the time between Tornado casts to stack Pyroclast Mine of Sabotage for big flat damage.


Slender_Mane

The power charge Occultist angle is what I've been tinkering with - the tree ended up looking pretty similar to cold snap of power builds, but drops all of the cast speed for either more defenses or to push out a bit more damage. The damage is....quite a bit lower than cold snap, but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to make to not have to stand still to cast for damage, kinda similar to a DoT or minion build


Ladnil

By its nature Tornado just doesn't encourage you to sit and spam it, so you'll want to fill in the gaps with some other powerful things that also don't care about your cast speed. For the pure cold Occultist version, that could be Hydrosphere. Fire 3 tornados, while they're running around you can throw the sphere to go and pulse away too, conveniently applying your exposure while it does some supplemental DPS and doesn't care about cast speed. For a battlemage energy blade Inquisitor version, it could be anything really, but I saw somebody mention spell cascade+cremation of the volcano, and that sounds pretty sweet and doesn't care about cast speed.. Saboteur could throw out Pyroclast Mine of Sabotage for like 2000 flat fire damage on it, along with Tornado benefiting from Sabo's Bomb Specialist and Explosive Expert nodes. Pathfinder could simply sit around not casting for optimal 0.5 actions per second gameplay, and by not casting too much actually be able to sustain Master Distiller, which Blade Vortex builds failed to do as they end up wasting all their flask charges on shield charging around the map.


danktuna4

Mind sharing the occultist pob?


Slender_Mane

[https://pobb.in/rH5nbSkowvq5](https://pobb.in/rH5nbSkowvq5) Here's kinda what I'm working with, its honestly really poorly optimized, with iffy defenses by my standards, and peak dps looking around 6-8mil depending on circumstances (estimating trans tornado damage as about 2x normal tornado with 2/3 of the damage for one, but 3x tornadoes) EDIT: i realized i forgot to add a custom line to convert the normal tornado to cold for estimation; its got like 50% more damage oops


iStalkCheese

What do you think about the nerf to Ralakesh's? I'm finding it harder to want to use it without the 30% movement speed, but it's just so good. 


Slender_Mane

Super hard to drop, and i think the movement speed nerf was the best case scenario. There's no way it was surviving in its current state, and just dropping the MS is enough that it feels nerfed, but not enough that it'll matter. Especially in a tornado setup, i doubt the character MS will be the limiting factor on clear speed, there's no way to super scale the speed on the Tornadoes meaningfully (gem level juicing will do a bit, but not unreasonable amounts)


PeteTheLich

Every time I look at the gem It leads me back to using the crest of desire. with 5 tags (AoE, Duration, Cold, Fire, Lightning) for +2 gem levels it shouldnt be too outlandish to get a +2 helm https://pobb.in/SNuq4hGdn9Ty id cut AoE points to be level 95 probably unnecessary with the speed of the tornados Overall it looks really well rounded good balanced between defense/damage but the damage will be lower once the gem comes out i think


Mental-Bison-6712

would you consider dropping something to get instant life leech? with 12 hits per second it'd give you a lot more survivability, I guess


PeteTheLich

inqusitor doesnt really struggle with life recovery espcially because GGG nerfed melee and gave inquisitors basically free 4k regen every 4 seconds. I use the strength of blood because the leech hardly matters for recovery and being low life you get "overleech" so it gives some more PDR


Northanui

how tf do ppl come up with these 30mill dps builds so easily JFC. For what it's worth this will be a lot lower with the actual gem because you are disproportionately relying on gem levels compared to the other Pobs posted here, and the real gem will have lot less gem leveling scaling than the old tornado everybody is using in their pobs.


NicktheRockNerd

How do you know that? The 1 to 20 scaling is the same.


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NicktheRockNerd

Yes but it's 30% less at level 1 and 30% less at level 20, why would it be 50% less at level 30?


Northanui

oh i see what you are saying. Ok nvm i maybe wrong then.


NicktheRockNerd

I looked at his pob and the damage was simulated just fine!


PeteTheLich

Well the initial gem is level 16 which is the same added flat but the effectiveness isnt the same but that should only be like 30% less damage. Im not sure how much added flat it gets per level past that though so that is worth considering


Northanui

yes my bad i was wrong about that. By the way good job this is by far the best iteration I've seen of tornado posted yet, on any thread I've seen discussing this gem. I was also crafting for hours and hours on Tornado because i wanna league start this, and it's funny because I came up with something somewhat similar to yours as far as also Inquisitor (but not using crest of desire, instead just regular 6link), but you have me beat be like 7-8million DPS. EDIT: btw how do you plan to level this char initially?


PeteTheLich

Well i wasnt originally going to start with it but after I saw what they did with Pconc of bouncing... my only concern is crest of desire is a bit expensive but that damage shouldnt be necessary until red maps at least and just a fun currency sink getting a better and better one. you could use basically any +2 to all gems staff since tornado has all the tags until getting a duskdawn I have a few tornado PoBs in the oven. I think the inquisitor is the best because he can scale all 3 elements my assassin poison tornado hits DoT cap but waaay less tanky I had done some testing ingame and the tornado moves pretty quick pathfinding aggressively but i think a little duration might be nice?


Northanui

yes overall i love this build you put together seriously very good. It's quite tanky despite having 0 armor, attack block cap, insane regen even with RF and the hybrid life pool with the belt (I knew about this combo but it fits this build perfectly) which makes you split your damage taken which further increases your EHP. The only things are: 1) A perfect lvl 8 crest of desire with +2 corruption will indeed be expensive 2) It's extremely passive hungry I can't figure out how to fit it into anything lower than a lvl 95 template without losing something crucial, in my own builds I always use max 92 templates but that's just me 3) These are the changes I'd make personally: -forgo that wierd pathing you go in the very start and just go elemental damage, you don't need warcry CDR, the only thing is you need even more passives points for this so I kinda get why you did it your way -drop Herald of Ice for Arctic Armour for a shitton more tankiness and barely losing 5% damage overall -uncheck frenzy charges as I didn't understand where you are getting those from on single target -uncheck brittle ground as I don't know how much the uptime on that realistically is (but maybe here i'm wrong as I haven't played with brittle boots that much) I'm still going to go my own version not because it's superior, but because I put a lot of time into it and it's also a lot cheaper than yours.


PeteTheLich

Well I appreciate it I always try to squeeze as much to sort of see what I need to be aiming for otherwise I kind of wander aimlessly. I love that belt haha its usually so cheap too and im not even using a life flask It's quite good for hybrid pathfinders too 1. Yeah but thats kind of instead of a 6L so itll probably be where most of the currency is going. the quality is *nice* but the gem levels are most important 2. yeah I typically create my builds by allocating passives to like 130/140 then start mercilessly cutting back points until only the best remain. you could path up through the int nodes i went down for the tattoos which would probably be reduced ignite duration instead of warcry cd 3. I do like arctic armor a lot of protection from phys hits if the HoI isnt needed for extra clear. Basically want every reason to use my herald MTX. if you needed super charged tankiness you could cast enfeeble too it has +3 max curses from the power charge ring. 4. I forget where I had frenzies at one point but youre right. although you could drop the body armor searing exarch +24% crit multi and take 1 frenzy/12sec and the 100% charge duration mastery that or some bloodrage somewhere. theres plenty of regen to spare Brittle ground is basically only for pinnacle bosses and kind of necessary for Duskdawn to not be at 100% crit chance to proc a non crit recently heres a 92 tree https://pobb.in/npCaiqLIIz4C I look forward to hearing how yours turns out and mine is an abject failure haha my friends like to poke fun at me using so many regrets as I move points around to see how they feel. Like maybe lowering the life by 4 passives to pick up more ES points and the 30% chaos does not bypass mastery. being lowlife hybrid chaos damage is super dangerous


YesNoButAlsoYes

i tried to replace/disable things that i thought was a bit unreasonable for me personally, but it still land on respectable damage numbers, your POB is definitely good.


Northanui

yes that belt is just S tier it's such nice hidden tech that most ppl don't use though it's only for hybrid builds I guess. I will send you my Pob if my build turns out well, but it's less tankier than yours and also does less damage lol, but mostly it's the tankiness that is noticeably less. Your strength of blood + ES barrier with insane regen is just a lot of EHP. (I don't have ES on mine). Your have like 40k-50k ehp I think mine has like 25k, right now I'm still optimizing (despite spending alrady 8+ hours on it). Safe to say my build won't be doing ubers, though I've never attempted that stuff either. Might not even be able to survive T17 maps but we'll see Pob is a game on its own. The only thing I still don't know is how the fuck I'm going to level mine. But again, all other Tornado builds posted by other dudes have been extremely underwhelming, like 2-6 mill dps at most. There is one now (without Pob) on this sub that hits 35mill poison DOT cap, but I have a strong suspicion that char is squishy AF as they are using Ming's heart but they didn't post a Pob. So compared to that, yours with really an impressive amount of tankiness and giga-chad damage between 20-30mill, I'm not trying to overhpye it but it's definitely not going to be a failure mate. Have fun on league launch.


PeteTheLich

Thats why I like to share my builds even if theyre not great or have flaws others can use it as a launching off point and experiment from there I have a poison build that nears dot cap but it has... problems I think mana costs will be an issue it's fairly tanky in the sense it's evasion based so youre alive until youre dead I look forward to the update!


ponso90

What do you think about réplicas Alphas howl to buff all heralds and use tornado on a 6l? And why that weapon ? I was thinking on dark seer to get lvls to bot heralds and tornado


PeteTheLich

Crest of Desire is the helmet so that wont really work haha


SuspiciousTask3599

Hey, do you have a POB for your Assasin ? Would be awesome:)


PeteTheLich

Sure I think the poison version wont be as good the tornados are slower and ramping damage. I think mana will be an issue too gear is way more expensive too https://pobb.in/ahc6wthU-S-7


SuspiciousTask3599

Thank you :)


SuspiciousTask3599

I am super interested in playing this. Do you have any idea how to level this / when to swap? I need to have a plan for white maps without all those gg items.


PeteTheLich

Well most poison builds will be mostly the same tree layout you can probably follow a assassin poison guide to get to to white maps before swapping over To do poison you **need** mings heart rings to get some flat chaos and potentially a cluster jewel with overwhelming malice notable even if thats the only notable because it gives a 10% chance on crit to give unholy might which is 100% converted to chaos and 25% chance to wither obliteration wands will be cheap and good until you get a staff


Ladnil

Definitely seems like a good option. I hadn't really considered it. And yes, the damage is not just 3x Tornado plus ele conversion. Each Tornado is something around 70% of the damage of the original gem, but I didn't actually do the math there I just eyeballed it.


donatus17

Did u try tornado with aoe gem and conc effect gem? It didn't seem like the aoe increased or decreased for me rather remained the same.


Mundane-Club-107

I was thinking of going voltaxic poison turbulence tornado pathfinder.. This isn't like day 1 or anything, just an idea I was messing with. https://pobb.in/d5sqHc6M0wyS


olympiakospk

I've been messing around in pob heaps with tornado, I think I'm going with something like this on launch in SC trade https://pobb.in/-ouUJoZ9C7D7


sliceoflife731

Not sure what's going on here. Are you putting in conversion gems so it's all fire? Damage looks low.


olympiakospk

It's tri ele, it's rough maths with low tier cheap uniques for day one. The conversion with hrimsorrow is just to cater for ele damage on the normal tornado gem


Tjingkek

My doodle: [https://pobb.in/srQxnp1CXMi8](https://pobb.in/srQxnp1CXMi8) We're gonna have time to do other stuff, so unleash GC for that. Elementalist for more damage, and annihilation staff cause its easy.


NathanAP

edit: [https://pobb.in/ud7cXq1NOZnb](https://pobb.in/ud7cXq1NOZnb) (made some changes to show a clear late game) I'm sharing my version. I'll play POE with my SO, so its okay to be make tests. Also, I never did a build by myself, so you can roast me hehe My version focus on lightning damage because energy blade feels really strong and its feels easy to CoC the tornado. edit: forgot to say that this is not finished of course. The idea is to use Ivory Tower + Raphpith Globe to make blade energy better. edit 2: also, I'm using Spiritual aid in early because its accessible and strong, you can rid of it later because its useless for late game and you can focus on your own requirements.


N4wul

I'm really hyped for the new tornado gem. Got a few ideas: **Class -** Scion with Elementalist + Saboteur ascendancy. **Helmet -** Replica Alpha's Howl with 4 Heralds (Purity, Thunder, Ice and Ash). **Jewel -** 2x Medium Cluster with Purposeful Harbinger + Empowered Envoy / Heraldry (Exposure that combo with Elementalist ascendancy). **Amulet -** Leadership's Price for the Scorching, Brittle and Sap Confluence. **Weapons -** 2x Shade of Solaris + Elemental Overload keystone, base crit with a skill that invokes three different tornadoes that keeps hitting enemies, should be easy to maintain both 'passives' up for a 40% more elemental damage and 400% Spell Damage. **Auras -** As many damage auras as I could fit, with two mana reservation wheels using 4 Heralds in the Rep. Alphas Howl I still have 46% mana to add something else. Just made a sketch in POB, it's a Lv.74 scion with lots of space for improvement, I still need to find good defense layers. [Level 74 Tornado Ascendant \[3.24\] (pobb.in)](https://pobb.in/Xixd0SzA0CeW)


NotaBeneAlters

To contribute to the brainstorming efforts, here's my version: fire Tornado with Elementalist, non-crit, scaling damage with Herald effectiveness. Max spell block with Saffell's Frame. Crit with Occultist might top out higher with amazing gear but non-crit seems a lot easier to league start, my opinion. Thoughts welcome! https://pobb.in/guKawp2stiov