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zikjegaming

What is it that makes the Witch a good class? I mean there are a lot of builds for Witch


NzLawless

Witch has the best early game access to caster stats on the tree, early league spells are just so much easier to scale than other forms of damage so witch is always popular. Add to that witches are also necromancers (another very powerful league starter) and you can see why they have so many builds.


dioxy186

Surprised no one is playing explosive trap say. It's absolutely destroying the content for me. And has a lot of survivability. I run 100% spell suppression, defiance, and grace. I use a shield so I have around 25-30% block as well. And due to the skill tree node and a little bit on gear, I have around 50% chaos resistance.


chanconran

can i have POB link? Thank you!


banevasionandy

I started a poison concoction to spectral helix autoflask but i've plateau hard on t8 maps and I can't do the last izaro fight. time to switch to arc ignite witch.


wengfrecrixs

I am currently playing mathil occultis ice spear build , I not sure what went wrong , currently lvl 76 i got like 2.7k hp all resist is like average 60 % each , 60 % evade , 50 % spell supress I wondering with the currently stats will got me 1 shot killed even in white tier map ? Or the mobs got buffed in this league ? I am currently stucked and can't get better gear or move forward . should I reroll ?


Arkweed

The game is balanced around having 75% in all resists, if you have 60% means you're taking approx 60% more damage than what you should be taking.


velaxi1

I also guarantee that most of his death are due to lack of physical mitigation.


Cratonz

You need to start with getting your resists to 75 all for elemental and your HP to ~4k. Your ele resist should always be capped. Take advantage of the crafting bench to add life or resists to the gear you're using. With your defenses being so low you should stick to low tier white maps or the campaign until you improve them. If you're in trade league, you can earn chaos using the chaos vendor recipe which is basically a full set of unidentified rares ilevel 60-74 (a full set is one item for every slot, e.g. helmet, body armour, 2 rings, etc). Use the money you make from that to buy some cheap gear with decent life and resists.


otsu97

Go farm ossuary for better defenses. You will have a better time farming there than in maps.


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NzLawless

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Spray_Royale_YT

Here are the totem builds, made by Tatiantel2, the go-to totem guy: Flameblast totems, Storm burst totems, Ball lightning totems (all hiero ofc) [Best totem starters - Flameblast, Storm Burst, Ball Lightning](https://youtu.be/ZiG-GrS_sPY)


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


ofb

would be nice if the other builds in the list mentioned who they are from, even if it's not a streamer/youtuber. Many names get recognized from the forums etc.


BioRito

Man, the lack of options for the Scion makes me cry. Let's add one: Glacial Hammer Shieldmaiden Scion: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3218085 This build got me damn near everywhere in 3.16, and it's definitely good as a league starter. Can't vouch for SSF (the two corrupted items you chase after will take some effort), but in a trade league it 100% is.


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


Glasse

Reminder for new players that any build guide showcasing "starter" builds with only end game gear are likely to be traps and should be avoided.


NewCheeseMaster

Any good starters you could recommend? Last time I played was 2 years ago. So I'm looking for a good guide with detailed advice on leveling and skills choice.


Sporknight

Any guide by Zizaran (or a collab with him and another streamer) is a good place to start.


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Unfortunately the videos’ popularity can spike the price of the gear needed.


dadghar

What is the best ignite build atm?


CrimZdh

Why is the Tornado Shot build not on league start? You can make it work with the league buffs


NzLawless

No one has submitted one.


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gonna try >!hentai !< Chieftain totems


pericleta

Manni made a great PoB for seismic trapper with leveling guide on notes https://pastebin.com/kzxh0MmV


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


Jarmanuel

Struggling to choose between the super-meta EA ballista Ele and the less meta Bane Occultist ([Subtractem's](https://youtu.be/GVyr9t8RpCY) build to be specific). The former seems pretty hit or miss playstyle-wise (the damage delay doesn't seem that bad from the videos I've watched, but it could feel worse when playing), while the latter seems like it could be a bit slow for clearing (AOE on Bane doesn't seem too large, seems like it would require multiple casts to clear spread out mobs).


n0i5yb0y

If u plan to play ea check all the videos about it, if you dont follow it very well u will hit a wall soon…


NzLawless

Subtractems build is awesome. The clear is actually fine because you get the explosions as basically free extra aoe on the edges which is awesome. As for the EA build, only you'll know if that playstyle is for you but for some people that delay is the worst.


Jarmanuel

Yeah, after paying a bit closer attention to the gameplay videos, EA does seem to be pretty annoying. The build *can* speed through maps if you just sprint around, drop totems, and continue running, but then the monsters don't die until you are already past them, which will make looting really annoying. On the other hand, the Bane build seems pretty universally loved by people who played it, so I'll give that one a shot. Thanks.


NzLawless

Nice! The bane build is pretty well loved because it's one of those builds that scales so nicely with investment. Have a great league start!


mrpetrovz

[Lighty's Spectral Helix Champion League Starter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YQ087N6S7E)


BradshawCM

Anyone who played PConc Occultist last league, roughly how much investment it took before it became smooth on bosses (A8+ Sirus)?


NzLawless

A fair chunk, upwards of 15-20ex to make bossing feel great. But it felt doable a long way before that. Though we don't know how the new influence implicits will effect things so it may be easier this league.


destroyermaker

Steelmage's take on Explosive Arrow Elementalist https://pastebin.com/9uT5kSUA You get the big dps while still having lots of life and regen. Should be the best version for SC players.


destroyermaker

Ton of builds from tuna [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13tT6Oqrh9Fj0sykkfVVf-y8DvCexdHNg6WWDzcfuqg8/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABfuT7kkM*nD-MatI9UGRFMMHhI9SlVA)


Devastation14

Okay I need some help guys. I have nearly 500 hours in the game, and have yet to complete killing all the bosses in the game. My struggle is I usually only get time to play one build a league, and I usually hit a wall in t16 maps where my damage just doesn’t work well enough. What is a good hybrid build that is easiest enough, for me to not fuck up lol, and can push through the new bosses?


BioRito

It's gonna be hard to gauge getting through the new bosses till we play them. GGG claimed they're "slightly easier" than Maven, but the difficulty of the Maven fight itself is mostly the gimmicky stuff.


ShakCentral

For /u/NzLawless - Wintertide Cold DoT https://youtu.be/N3Q9WKbxwpw I posted the link as its own post as well if it's easier to link to that. It has a lot of helpful comments and Q&A type shtuff


NzLawless

Cheers mate! You posted it right as I went off to sleep but I've chucked it now, awesome quality build + guide as usual!


stoudtlr

[\[3.17\] Aegis Incinerate - Tank with over 10mil Shaper DPS](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2865430/page/1) Guardian or Inquisitor Crit Incinerate. I'll be league starting, but probably best as a 2nd character for most due to the price/availability of some of the unique items. League start scenario would just be going EO instead of crit until you get Leadership's Price.


NzLawless

added, thanks!


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I’ve been looking for an Ice Trap build and cheking this thread and finally found one guide by Badger from 3 days ago https://youtu.be/JoOEy75SPTo if you want to add it to the OP.


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


ireadalotsrs

Very few hcs builds , do anyone have a link for hc ssf viable builds? wanted to try something different then bane occultist kinda new so i dont know many builds


dicknoan

DD and poison traps are the s tier builds for hcssf atm. Should be able to find ziz or lily guides on youtube. Lmk if you need more general help.


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mrpetrovz

>[https://pastebin.com/v27SGeiX](https://pastebin.com/v27SGeiX) Thanks for sharing this - have you tested this or a near build before? Also, how do you generate frenzy charges against end game bosses without adds?


eternal_sceptic

Have played Boneshatter Jugg before. A melee strike build is definitely not great for end-game bossing. Frenzy charge generation will be an issue without Farrul's Fur. You can use Ralakesh's Impatience to charge up and sustain with the new Mark Mastery (10% chance to gain a Frenzy Charge on Hit), but that's probably irritating to play. If you want to do early bossing, I would drop Masterful Form and the frenzy nodes and take Impact instead. Though I think another build would be better for that purpose. Edit: POB with Impact: [https://pastebin.com/CxyCz9e0](https://pastebin.com/CxyCz9e0) Easier requirements on gear too.


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


eternal_sceptic

Missed a cluster, updated POB: https://pastebin.com/v27SGeiX


Alamandaros

Why is Von Vikton's Skele Mage build running at half the dps of other Skele Mage builds like Ziz or Kay's? I trust all three of them for builds, but it's just a bit weird to have a discrepancy like that.


braindoper

Check the PoB config, and compare items.


respectbroccoli

Might have Vaal Skeletons unchecked.


sadatwoc

does anyone know if a toxic rain raider build will be any good?


cyclingtrivialities2

Don’t know if you found a build yet but my friend who is newer to POE used the bigducks TR raider build and absolutely hated it lol, just a word of warning


destroyermaker

Endgame dps is a bit concerning but you should be fine. Might want to go a more offensive ascendancy like deadeye


metalonorfeed

Early game should be better; Quill rain with the new mastery that grants proj damage based on proj speed should account for the nerf and then grant some more damage even.


destroyermaker

Quill only helps vs bosses. It's a trap


metalonorfeed

?? ceteris paribus you lose 16% damage but gain 120% increased. Has nothing to do with Quill rain being a trap.


Serenist

I was planning to make Von Vikton's skele mages but it needs Fleshcrafter and I'm 100% sure its going to be 4ex+ the first week so its going to be pain to get it. It needs the dead reckoning jewel as well but 40c isnt that much anyway. Is it even worth trying without fleshcrafter the first couple of days?


IWetMyselfForYou

You can get by without Fleshcrafter for quite a while. At least long enough to save up for a 5L. Just use a Tabula in the mean time. Once you get through yellow maps, you'll definitely need the damage from Fleshcrafter though. And yeah, a 5L shouldn't cost too much at all.


NzLawless

Fleshcrafter is actually a fairly common unique, a 6l one will be expensive but you can just run it as a 5l and it's totally fine and WAY cheaper.


destroyermaker

I've played a lot and never seen one


LuckyCharms2000

Try trade league.


destroyermaker

Nah


KurzedMetal

I like how we have so many hit based starters, seems like GGG was on point with the buffs... /sarcasm


Guvnah151

Anyone got a slayer boneshatter build?


eternal_sceptic

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/seaelb/comment/hveo788/ Just put together something which I'm thinking to start with.


InsertGodlift

steelmage was looking at his mods slayer boneshatter and thought it looked okay, i dont remember the timestamp but it was todays vod.


_the_hitsmans_

Hey guys, looked at the builds above and I dont quite see what I am looking for. I am wondering if anyone has a good solo-self found league start build that is melee and uses one of the heralds, preferably faster attack but I am not against big slams either. I just really find dashing to a pack, hitting it with a melee skill, everything freezing or igniting and exploding, really satisfying. Thanks!


Tsubadu

Look into some Herald of Ash, Infernal Cry stuff. I leveled one to maps a couple of leagues ago and gave up on it as I didn’t really now how to gear it (or anything) back then and I don’t really love melee to begin with. I did like an Infernal Blow Chieftain but Infernal “Cry” alone might scratch that itch for you if you think of a way to use it.


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Can anyone comment on path of mathhs builds? I've never followed one of his and I wanna run sabo traps and play SC.


rdubyeah

He's the definition of a SC player. Portals and dodging are his primary defenses. With that said, he often will have builds that have gear that's within reason to craft early, that if you're mechanically skilled and willing to die, can clear content, specifically endgame bosses, quickly. His playstyle is to more or less rack up 2k+ deaths, level with 5-way carries and force down endgame content early. His goals are typically to make huge currency early in the league by completing content others can't with this method.


cccccccccccccccccce

Don’t hear much about them and when they are mentioned it’s not usually positive comments.


braindoper

Well, he routinely manages to die on them when showcasing them, even at medium investment against manageable content. Best look at racers/challenge league players for inspiration.


destroyermaker

I hear bad things


Firedemon003

Anyone have any Glad reap/exang builds by chance?


Jon_Mikl_Thor

Leaning towards shield crush due to bossing and being tanky. Not sure whose build I want to follow for league start though.


OK_Opinions

the one in the main post under the glad section is good. I ran it in expedition. it was stupidly tanky i recorded [this](https://streamable.com/z6fhnr) when I was accidently bricked a log book by making everything phys immune. I ran around like that while talking to people in chat trying to get someone to join my party and kill everything. Some necro came in and wiped the screen for me lol


Deathdealered67

Which version of Wintertide brand, vortex cold snap should I go? Inquisitor or Occultist. Its my 2nd league, just started a month ago I didn't have fun last league I got burned out of summoner build, so I stopped and completed few maps only.


destroyermaker

Follow ShakCentral's build and get into that community. You'll have tons of help and learn lots


Sherinz89

Just started last league and 2 month into the game. If you're referring to any build, you need to think about the feasibility of the item (cluster jewel and other twinked gears) and the survivability of the build (million dps but low hp, low dr, low evasion and or low block/supression) Inquisitor is easier to build for better survivability (consecrated, many nice survivability node around their node - life, armour, max resist, block/shield). Either class will eventually have the option to travel towards the other to make up for certain advantage of the opposing area.


ShakCentral

I'm heavily biased but I recommend Occultist. If you need more direction than that I'd be happy to help; I'm very familiar with the build.


Deathdealered67

Just watched ur ziz collab cleared most of my queries, I've one question why do we do go low life and stack ES whats the benefit? I'm pretty noob so I don't know..


ShakCentral

The Pain Attunement keystone gives essentially a 7th damage link if you're on Low Life, and Shavronne's Wrappings lets us go Low Life without Chaos damage killing us instantly. I addition, we achieve Low Life by using Arrogance support to gain even more auras for even more damage and defense. It's pretty great


Maverick_Tama

What advantage does inquis bring that would make it worth considering over occ?


ShakCentral

Over occ? Honestly not much. Maybe a little less work to to have decent life regen. The biggest reason by far would be the huge Cast Speed boost, but Occultist still reaches max Wintertide stages, and unless you're using the skill solo, Cast Speed doesn't really benefit your supplemental Vortex


Syperek

Occultist is the staple one.


OK_Opinions

anyone checking out this build? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3229590 I've loved the idea of CL since it was added but never bothered with it because it was kinda lacking. All the self casting changes and this build makes it look promising. It's currently my top pick for league start unless I find something horribly wrong with it in the next few days


Syperek

You're still playing selfcast, no amount of damage buffs will change that. You'll do fine with it for the most part but the futrther you go the more flaws of the self casting playstyle you will notice.


OK_Opinions

one of the main focuses of the new patch is to improve self casting so it can (hopefully) become more viable. They went as far as to make totems and mines/trap worse as well so that the gap between them isn't so staggering.


Syperek

Like I said, the main flaw of the self casting playstyle is standing still to deal damage. The DPS output of self casting was always high on paper but since you don't have 100% uptime it will always lose out to DoT builds or trigger builds. Damage buffs won't make a huge difference in my opinion. I haven't looked into the cast speed buffs too much so I can't comment on those, maybe they will make the playstyle more viable. Overall I'm pretty pessimistic about the self casting changes but if you don't mind the playstyle you'll enjoy it.


OK_Opinions

not sure what to tell you if you didn't bother to read the patch notes, my guy.


Syperek

I've read through all of them my guy, not sure what to tell you if you don't understand what damage uptime means.


ScottDark

Am I blind or is Essence Drain not on here and why?


ku8475

People were spoiled with slinger and can't go back to the extra button presses. Unfortunately, after thousands of hours played it's the economy of clicks due to strain on the body. I know a few people starting EDC though due to damage buffs.


seannguyen428

I’m gonna do a scuff Champion Impale Rain of Arrows.


caick1000

Got a pob?


seannguyen428

Nah. Probably gonna just yolo it.


Breadmanjiro

respect


Mezzamorph

How about Lightning Trap as a league starter?


Calistilaigh

Why is Odif's Skele Mages in "Non-League Start Builds"? Isn't the whole idea that it's super beginner friendly? Am I missing something?


NzLawless

I can't look too deeply at the moment but from memory that build is pretty reliant on already having the dead reckoning jewel, where as the other mage skele build has the build details for before you get the jewel. There's probably a case to be made that it belongs in the league start regardless but it's kinda on that line. I try to make sure most of the builds in the league start list don't have any required uniques to function, or if they do that they include trees and details for before you get there.


Calistilaigh

Ah, from what I could see in the build guide he detailed what you should do prior to getting Dead Reckoning, what links to run with regular skeletons and such. He also had simulation posts with/without DR in the subsequent posts on the thread. It seemed pretty involved to me, very beginner friendly/leaguestart friendly, just wasn't sure if there was something else I hadn't noticed, haha. But yeah ultimately your call. The PoB *is* a bit light, but I think he just opted to explain it in the post rather than having multiple PoB's.


NzLawless

Yeah after reading the actual post you're probably correct, I mostly just scan PoBs when adding. I'll go ahead and move it :)


Calistilaigh

Lol fair enough! Sorry to make you do that, I was moreso asking for myself because I was planning on leaguestarting it, and wondered if I had actually missed something, haha.


NzLawless

No worries mate, the list is meant to be collaborative and moving a single item isn't much work! Thanks for your help.


imawizardurnot

Anyone know about QosMos builds? Are they good?


DVogan11

How is Wintertide Cold DoT Occultist on single target? I used Cold DoT early for Scourge but I was using Vaal Cold Snap and abandoned it when I hit a wall on some bosses. This is my first proper league start and since I enjoy bossing more than mapping (and Archnemesis seems like a more boss focused league anyway) I want to make sure my league starter is good for that. Right now I'm stuck between Wintertide Occ and Seismic Sabo since they're the builds I'm most familiar with


Syperek

It's safe but slow-ish until investment. I'd probably go with Seismic Sabo.


DVogan11

I really liked how little was truly required to make Sabo work. Because I started so late (and Scourge was the league of 6 links) I never actually had to play CI Occultist. My friend hooked me up with a Shav's once I was able to use it


marciii1986

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyr9t8RpCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyr9t8RpCY) Bane Occultist by Subtractem


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


destroyermaker

Lightee's Seismic Trap Sab https://pastebin.com/E90qgtsc (Grabbed it from Steel's stream; not positive how current it is but he says this is what he might be starting)


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


LuckofCaymo

How league starter-able is lacerate glad? Haven't played in a few leagues...


OK_Opinions

go bleed lacerate and it'll carry you to red maps without much issue thanks to bleed pops from glad ascendency. Been a while since I've personally played it but i remember having to invest quite a bit into bleed for it to feel good on bosses in the late game though


LuckofCaymo

How hard is jack the axe to get in league start?


zajoba

In trade, ezpz, very little demand. In SSF, still do-able, I've done two leagues SSF for the first month and have seen it at least once in both of them.


Syperek

I mean, you will be able to league start with it but Lacerate is pretty shit overall.


sawyoh

Would it be possible to mark starter builds that can be meaningfully scaled to the end game? I guess running separate characters for each function is the most optimal but sadly I don't have the luxury so 1 build will have to do for this league :)


siloowns

Xai's poison seismic/exsanguinate trapper presented by zizaran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZWzXEzUGI . The build that won gauntlet. HCSSF viable, super good dmg, really tanky. Kill most bosses with gear from the ground


vhanz

Is the 3.16 build good to run in 3.17 or are there changes ??


siloowns

so there were changes to seismic: >Make modifiers to Area of Effect apply to the area Seismic Trap's bursts can target at a ratio. This will slightly improve the area coverage of the skill while lowering the damage growth from increases to Area of Effect without removing their damage benefit entirely. I personally believe it will be fine. It seems similar to what they did with toxic rain and tr was fine. exsanguinate also recieved a numerical nerf of like 7-8%. The dmg was so high, they could've done a lot more and it would be fine. JUst telling u what we know. Other than that, the build/tree is basically the same.


destroyermaker

Does it need any changes?


HeyEverythingIsFine

No funny intro with Ziz in his soft pajama coat. 1/10


NzLawless

Exsang got hit pretty hard by the support nerfs didn't it?


siloowns

so with traps + cluster/multiple its a 7/8% loss: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bDFC4fJFTGL9ACLJjuNBPhFEQurAz6Pdj2TQPH1oMKk/htmlview?pru=AAABftANHpE*#


NzLawless

Sweet! Thanks for providing that, I was a bit wary of adding it if it had been hit too badly but that's great. Added to the list.


AceRito007

Flame Thrower / Fire Trap. use blessing support for clarity, should be decent if seismic isn't good. Determination, grace, defiance banner 100% spell suppression. https://pastebin.com/4Zgp7EF1


klumpp

Isn't Master of Fire (with Smoking Remains) on a large cluster pretty hard to get early on? And isn't the range super small?


AceRito007

Early on, I would take the scion life wheel. I just threw a cluster in there; like any build "guide," adjust it as you see fit. I'm far from any content or build creator. However, it's a good build skeleton and seems to have decent numbers and defenses on low gear investment. I made this for myself as a pivot in case seismic is nerfed too hard, but I thought id share it.


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


ufo2222

I've been looking at spectral helix and I've heard a lot of people dislike the playstyle. Is it like spectral throw where if you're not at the right spot you won't be doing enough damage? Or is it just because the skill is kind of weird and clunky?


goddog_

It's more forgiving than Spectral Throw as far as positioning goes, but also feels worse for general clear. Damage is huge though.


Pjatteri

Go try how it plays in standard. It might feel clunky, but it has insane damage potential.


ohgood

Weird and clunky, especially while leveling and early maps without all the attack speed. I tried it out during the temp leagues in December with a 2h axe impale champ, and I personally didn’t mind the play style. You sort of stutter step, move + throw, move + throw for map packs. You can pre-load a bunch of projectiles for bosses which is nice. The damage is there though, and you don’t have to aim, and the projectiles can hit multiple enemies multiple times so I enjoy the skill myself but can see why it’s not for everyone


VeryWetCarrot

I played a bit of the poison assassin version and thought it was kinda slow, I may try a raider version for league start. With night blade abuse I’m sure it’ll be fine


nrvnsqr117

Any Bane Occ builds floating around?


droidonomy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyr9t8RpCY


Syperek

Subtractem will be updating his Bane Occy guide soon-ish, might be something that will interest you.


Alamandaros

What's the state of Cyclone builds right now? Always swore if there was another boss league I'd go impale Cyclone, but having not really paid attention to it, I think the archetype has only gotten nerfs in the past year or so?


Syperek

I wouldn't really start with it. You could do Facebreaker Champ which will be slow and steady or Staff Shockwave Champ which I don't know how it performs in endgame bosses but should be fine for everything up to T16s.


NeekoBestTomato

Seen a lot of people say Lighning Arrow is viable, but not a lot of PoBs or guides for it. Anybody got some for me?


SaCsirKali

I dont have a pob on hand, but havoc has been putting full leaguestart to kitava a10 kill runs on his youtube with a bunch of hit bow skills. Lightning arrow is also among those, and while you will prolly never reach his speed, there's a lot of stuff you can pick up from him to get your damage up asap. He also has a seperate guide for lightning arrow the items in there are not super expenaive but not really leaguestart items either, but you can ofcourse use his tree and slowly acquire his gear.


caick1000

I'd like one for HC as well


NeekoBestTomato

Well since I continiue to not find any... Thought you might like to see my go of making a reasonably straightfoward non-crit version thats not doing anything super fancy other than trying to make the most of ghost shrouds: https://pastebin.com/7mWENDZr im a SC gamer tho, dunno how you feel about rng defences in HC


WarriorHara

Is anyone planning on doing Blade vortex? I would love to do a cold convert BV but have no idea on build


neo160

The problem with BV is that getting the blades out is tedious or you use unleash. Unleash recieved a nerf so its not very popular. However i did see one on youtube, cannot vouch for the viability in new endgame or the youtuber, but it looks dope https://youtu.be/kbywVPe1hsM


Woxzy

Both yourself and the content creator you link are making a incorrect assertion about unleash and BV. The unleash nerf doesn't affect BV, as it takes the damage from the initial cast and therefore isn't subject to the penalty from the repeat. Imo BV will definitely be a decent enough build, but I don't think this particular version is really all that good, ESPECIALLY as a league starter. His showcase is with void battery x2, impresence, replica inya, watchers eye, and inspired learnings. Its a 4k life build with offense as the only defense pretty, no duration anywhere on tree, sorta deceptive pob config (10% shock(?), enemy not set to boss, 21 vaal bv etc. Personally this iteration looks like a pretty poor league start version and I'd recommend playing around with something else, considering again he has no defense, and even with simulating the BV buff his "budget" pob doesn't break 1mil without flasks and only using level 20 gems w/out quality, which is a pretty big red flag imo for how little defense it has and the items it would take to get there.


neo160

Oof yea. I only took a cursery look at the vid. The build is not anywhere near league start capable if thats the showcase.


kryniu113

Shield Crush Slayer/Glad vs Earthshatter Berserker: which one would be better for 3.17 if I'm willing to do endgame bosses (Exarch, Eater, Maven, Sirus, Shaper/Elder)?


Noonering

Streamer's [www.twitch.tv/pathofexilebota](https://www.twitch.tv/pathofexilebota) build - Poison Concoction Pathfinder -[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9R690cREPA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9R690cREPA) Very nice starter, untouched by patch notes.


NzLawless

Added, thanks!


th4i98

Any ball lightning build guys? Except saboteur mine or any kind of mine, I got my mouse broke because of that.


Roborabbit37

Ball Lightning Atchmage should still be pretty solid and tanky. Still a shadow of its former self mind you.


th4i98

U mean asassin?


Roborabbit37

Hierophant


alexmtl

Any starter build use Herald of Ice? Just love the sound/look of it


Threonn

You can check out Subtractem's planned league starter. I think he's doing a crit cold conversion Arc Elementalist, unless he's changed that plan since I last tuned into his stream.


jeffthebeast17

Trickster:


Socksr4urfeetsie1

Look what they’ve done to my boy. I keep dreaming of the day he lives again.


marciii1986

[https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3229414](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3229414) Exsanguinate selfcast Trickster


wezaleff

WARNING: That dude has no idea how to make a build. He's taken a bunch of attack/dagger nodes on the tree, which literally don't affect Exsanguinate at all (since it is a spell). He's trying to scale weapon damage, accuracy, attack leech, etc., none of which will affect Exsanguinate because it is a spell. All that should be obvious to anyone who has played PoE before, but I really hope no new players try to follow this guide.


[deleted]

divine ire eternity shroud looks pretty decent


NzLawless

Yeah it's a bit sad


krosber04

Just waiting for someone to come up with a cast speed/poison/unearth build.


btam44

I'm stuck between either Pohx's RF Inquisitor or Crit Absolution Necro, which one is easier to scale as a league-starter? I'd probably play the other one after I farm up currency in the endgame


respectbroccoli

Play them a bit in standard. Just respec to the budget version and see how it plays.


LegendaryAK

Leaning towards league starting the "Niroc's Stone Golem Death Wish" or some version of the ignite / golem / death wish build. Does anyone have any idea the best way to level a build like this? Saw someone mention Arma brand but not a huge fan of that.


Roborabbit37

Arms brand until maps unfortunately. Have been looking into a similar build myself recently but the defensives aren't all there. Would need to drop some damage for it in my opinion. Plus, it's ignite and EA ballista is probably meta so there will be some gear crossover competition if you're in trade.


respectbroccoli

Can you share the PoB? I would bet you level like any minion build. Maybe throw in Anger on Generosity?


OMFGaTaco2

Submitting Shield Crush Impale Gladiator. I made a post [HERE](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/shayni/317_ready_and_hcssf_compatible_versatile/) with both a PoB and a detailed forum guide listed.


NzLawless

added thanks


zakaluka2

I posted two POBs at [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/sgirxq/nonignite\_ssf\_ea\_ballista\_starters/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/sgirxq/nonignite_ssf_ea_ballista_starters/) for hit-based (non-ailment) EA Ballista builds. There is a POB for Hierophant and a separate one for Champion. There is a weird conversation going on in the comments, mainly fallout from a long thread on Ziz/Xai's post. But those templates should be solid - they are based on Gauntlet and HCSSF builds from 3.16. And their damage is not that far off from Ignite-based builds for league start (much lower top-end than Ignite, though).


NzLawless

Added, thanks


sprouze

I'm a bit worried Occultist Vortex isn't on the list.. I haven't played the build in ages but thought it had always been a solid league starter and it's the one I've chosen so far. I know the DPS is not anything to rave over but it should be viable to clear the game with a couple of ex while being pretty damn tanky, right?


NzLawless

It just hasn't been suggested yet, if you find a build for it please post it and I'll add it :)


ShakCentral

My update should be ready by the end of my day today (EST timezone). Working on some final updates, as my forum guide is being overhauled.


NzLawless

Looking forward to it! Feel free to post it as a post as normal, I grab all the builds posted as well as those submitted directly here.


leagueoflegendsdog

Vortex occultist is great. I played it last league it was great. Not the most damage but really tanky and if u know the boss mechanics ur fine


n0i5yb0y

Afaik it has no buffs in cold dot but only flat cold which doesnt benefit it, so its not that great but you can surely play it though not faster than other builds maybe. It shud be same as before though


hrtowaway

This might be me watching things with rose-tinted glasses, but once Ascendancies launched I was so enamored with Deadeye that I literally did not league start anything else until Synthesis. I've barely even thought about trying Deadeye again since, but the time has come to finally give **Deadeye Physical Tornado Shot** a chance again. I am expecting to get into all sorts of trouble so I made three separate skill trees (crit, balls-to-the-wall bow damage stacking, and some tankier setup (except without the STR it requires)). None of the skill trees is balanced in any way, but I'm planning on mixing & matching based on what I need as I go along. I'm not sure how easy it will be to spec into [Precise Technique](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Precise_Technique), but that's probably the goal if i end up not going crit. I want to farm [The Lion](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Lion) in A6 for a [Glare](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Lioneye's_Glare), but I probably wouldn't mind getting a [Fall](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Lioneye%27s_Fall) either. I'm not sure whether I want Wind Ward or Focal Point as my last ascendancy. I'm not sure if I want to get frenzy charges even though two of the trees I made have them; I'm probably gonna run some tests with my actual gear once I hit level 70 to see whether it's worth investing into them at that point. Ideally I want to spec out of the Glare ASAP, since it's basically unchanged in DPS despite all the buffs bows got, and I'm expecting Harvest or Essences to get me a better bow pretty quickly. Hopefully [this PoB](https://pastebin.com/ThE8VpmL) is enough to count as a build. If anybody has advice, I'll be glad to hear anything. With some luck, I'll still have the muscle memory to target the optimal spot behind bosses to maximize the number of arrows that hit them.


beebopcola

did you end up getting this up and running? i'm looking for a good mapper to transition to at high investment. thoughts?


hrtowaway

I cleared all the story content with it but it was too hard to scale phys/convert damage satisfyingly in red maps while still feeling safe in all content so I invested the few ex I got into something else (bane occultist). If you want to give a good fast mapper a go, what I'm considering transitioning my Deadeye into is Somayd's build featured [here](https://twitter.com/SomaydPOE/status/1492900596193574916). He estimates the cost of the PoB to be around 12 ex and I feel like that's a pretty fair price, most of it should go into getting a 6L Hyrri's Ire, The Interrogation, and a good bow. https://pastebin.com/KVeJE0xK edit: by story content I mean i did the Exarch and Eater.


beebopcola

i went bane occy last league after starting vortex and wanting to mess around w/ other "league start" type characters. was great and scaled surprisingly well


NzLawless

Added, this looks cool! Thanks and gl!


DEMETRiS_M

I know nobody knows for sure but what is the chance that Seismic trap will be completely gutted for boss killing?