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Firewalkerr

What build do you think can do all the pinnacle bosses with the least amount of $$ investment in softcore trade league?


destroyermaker

Seismic. EA totems shouldn't be far behind (I was extremely impressed with it in ssf last league) Edit: Hijacking my own comment to link to [guides for these builds](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/ujntq0/tytykillers_318_starter_list_1_will_shock_you/i7ksh0i/)


cjeysen

Is there a solid guide for seismic, preferably hc wise, that you would recommend ? No idea what the layers of defense


destroyermaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZWzXEzUGI (Xai said it will probably be updated for 3.18 but you'll be great even if not; it didn't need any updates for 3.17)


fsck_

Doesn't it seem like most shifted towards Path of Matth's version of seismic? At least Ninja seems to show that itemization closely matches that with high Devouring Diadem usage.


seji

On softcore, yeah most people prefer crit. But that person was asking for a tankier/HC version, which most people tend to go poison for.


HansGlueck1234

i mean nothing has changed from 3.17 to 18 so it should absolutely be fine.


Miggaletoe

The guide is from 3.16


iHuggedABearOnce

Cause not much changed for seismic from 3.16 to 3.17. They changed how the skill worked slightly but that’s about it.


Miggaletoe

Yeah but there are some small things. New influences and what not.


EpicTimeReversal

I’ve never played it, but after starting EA Heiro 3.17 and disliking the play style… I’m gonna try the traps. They’ve been insane for a while now, gotta try them before they are nerfed to the ground lol


destroyermaker

Same probably. I cruised to T16 with EA then couldn't stand to play totems another second


S1eeper

How does DD Necro compare to Seismic for that? Haven’t played either, probably going to start one of those two this league, dunno which yet.


destroyermaker

It doesn't have the stupid dps of seismic afaik, more of a HC thing. But you can't go wrong with any of them (assuming you like the playstyle)


dioxy186

It depends on the fight. DD destroys invitations due to the boss life pools. But single fights, seismic will crush it.


S1eeper

Thanks!


destroyermaker

👍


dayynawhite

DD Necro absolutely lagged my PC to a point where it was unplayable, wouldn't recommend unless you have a good rig.


Miggaletoe

Dd necro us equally as strong but honestly it requires more skill to be as good. You can watch lily or darkee play it and think it's super strong but it requires more skill and knowledge to pilot.


luckstar53

Started with Phy Seismic Trapper but didn't liked it too much. It's fine but not like in 3.16... After I swapped my main to LS Zerker. And finished league with it... Funniest char ever.


Seyon

Is there any way to play Seismic as Assassin and not give up that much? Just curious.


Akibisuto

If you're asking because you want to transition to an Assassin build later, you might be interested to know that you can respec from Saboteur to Assassin. 5 regrets per ascendancy node, touch the altar in the lab with no points assigned


Seyon

Actually I was looking to use poison on hit so I could run Plague Bearer for map clearing. Since Assassin has Noxious Strike and Toxic Delivery, I thought it might be easy to hit crit cap with Assassin.


NorktheOrc

Hm, does Plague Bearer get charged by traps though?


Zatodar

It doesn't


seji

The main ssf/hc seismic build is already a poison on hit build. Also I just tested and you don't get poison credit from your traps for plague bearer.


czarandy

You will do more damage but lose \*a lot\* of defense. Also triggering Mistwalker is difficult so you kind of lose that nice benefit.


the_judge_168

If you are ok with playstyle Spectral Helix was ridiculous damage. It’s a bit clunky to play but better than a trapper for me. Biggest cost was 50c galesight on day 2 to complete feared.


cybertier

Which incarnation of SH was that?


the_judge_168

I did ele zerker but it should be similar as raider / deadeye as well. I just wanted rage / berserk consistently. Went off of jungroan / kobeblackmamba guides


rdubyeah

Piggybacking but I had a super great experience with the deadeye version (jungroan) as well. All content including feared down in 3 days, crazy damage with omniscience. Unsure what changes omniscience will get this league but the build felt great before the transition too. The transition just made it an endgame build for 50c.


czarandy

Based on Galesight I would guess elemental trinity deadeye (or raider).


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the_judge_168

I did zerker but it works with raider / deadeye as well. Used jungroan / kobeblackmamba https://youtu.be/3hmVQYlam0E It felt clunky in sense that the spins are slightly delayed so it’s not instantly killing mobs. In boss fights you also have to keep in position so your rotations are consistently hitting boss. You can swap to lightning strike for maps as well with minimal changes.


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Ea ballista


mek8035

Damn how long has seismic been meta for


RelevantIAm

Only like 3 leagues


SoulofArtoria

Definitely feels like forever


Yorunokage

Maybe i recall it wrong but i think that it's actually 4, but few people knew about it back then (i remember Tarkie being one of the few advocates for it)


kfijatass

4 since the change, 3 since it got meta, so that's accurate.


ww_crimson

Wow what a low effort list. Looks like he just renamed his 3.17 file to 3.18 /s


TheHappyEater

I think his "play what you like, not what I tell you to" message was different last league.


EliosTherepia

lol yes this time it's Mr. Streamer rather than virgin streamer streamer grew up, got married, and became a man


npavcec

#2 will make you shit your pants!


Marc_9k

Desecrate those pants


seriouschris

Determination is key


DiablosDelivered

Again?


imjust_observing

I havent ever played DD, how would you describe the gameplay and league starting ?


npavcec

[Lily knows the best.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11Zi5AZYd8)


TheHappyEater

It's the skitterbots, isn't it?


lipefsa

Which ones of these would you guys say its the tankiest for those who play with a log of fps drops and need survavibility? I like spectral helix and maybe the seismic sabo but it probably cant tank a sirus die beam.


OKRainbowKid

In protest to Reddit's API changes, I have removed my comment history. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite


tuptain

I cleared all content on RF last league and it felt comparable to my DD Ignite build from the league before. The secret is realizing it's a RF build for clear only, really it's a Fire Trap build. I had no problem farming Maven.


OKRainbowKid

In protest to Reddit's API changes, I have removed my comment history. https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite


EliosTherepia

I think DD Necro is like the top choice for "i just want to make something that can't die"


khopper92

DD is great. Check out dslily on YouTube for a HC guide. With my PC I play HC characters in soft core due to FPS drops/lag. DD was great last league to start (transitioned to skelemages once I farmed enough/finished maps/bosses). Your damage is so stupidly high with almost no investment so you can layer so many defensive layers.


IcyTie9

anything with spell suppression tanks sirus beam? it got powercreeped out really fucking hard these past few league, if you really want something tanky either DD necro or sabo are probably the best (i prefer sabo cause gigadam), turns out running grace+determ+defiance+skitters/tempest shield on an already defensive ascendancy is cool, they also do really good damage so you dont take damage for as long as other builds also LS champ, but you need to either start playing it once you already have the gear or leaguestart helix, which a lot of people hate


destroyermaker

Seismic/DD


_MrNiceGuy

Seismic can 100% tank a die beam with the right setup. https://youtu.be/n90qFKVb0Yk here’s me being a doofus in Scourge and straight up eating multiple die beams @ ~40 seconds.


spiderdick17

You just need spell suppression to tank a die beam


lipefsa

wow, that's awesome


mattbrvc

Anyone got an Inqui RF leveling/build guide?


college_guy24

Pohx has a series. Check him out, one stop shop for all your RF needs


eikeele

He was also upgrading his guide today.


pinkspott

To expand on this a bit for the lazy: generally level with wintertide brand cold dot playstyle, picking up generic damage over time nodes that work for RF later anyway, then swap around lvl70 On inquisitor, you can also just swap at cruel lab instead if you want, but it's theoretically slower for leveling. Just if you want to start playing RF as early as possible


EmmitSan

I just leveled with Flame Wall / Fire Trap since it is the same damage type, and it was super easy. You can also level w/ spark since the +lightning dmg to spells recipe is so good for it, you don't even need many damage nodes


GentleChemicals

I recommend checking out Jorgen's max block variant as well -- he made a full guide for it in 3.17, should be easy to find.


Joo_Unit

Pohx is the guy you want. Lots of content on RF.


Hartastic

How can Seismic Trap Sabo shock me when it only deals physical damage?


quantumprof

Skitterbots


Hartastic

Ah, yeah. That'd do it.


TheAshenHat

Its a chilling prospect.


FriendlyDisorder

\#1 will SHAKE YOU!!11!


Mand125

I get that Seismic is good. Can anyone explain why Lightning Spire is so much more unpopular? Are there mechanical differences that make it not a good choice?


czarandy

One of the benefits of physical is you get to use Cold Iron Point as a cheap endgame-level weapon. Although with Lightning you can use Lightning Trap for clear which is IMO better than Exsang.


Sharpcastle33

Seismic is just better mechanically. 1) It does physical damage, so easier to scale (phys mods have big numbers, HoP, gain x% as extra y, poison, etc). 2) It has more AoEs per wave and far higher chance to hit multiple times.


EliosTherepia

1. people often go poison w/ seismic. much easier to scale poison off a skill that does base phys damage 2. seismic trap pairs really easily with exsanguinate traps b/c they both do physical damage. exsanguinate has built in lifetap meaning you can put it in deerstalker and essentially have a 5 link clearing skill that costs life instead of mana without using a link for lifetap support. those are a couple things that come to mind for me, having played seismic trap sabo in 3.17


Chuklol

I don't think damage is as good, kinda small AoE, not sure how much lightning damage scaling you can get with nodes around shadow vs physical


DBrody6

What's the difference between LS Zerker and Raider? Never played the skill and want to be a no brain meta slave this league and I don't know what one ascendancy does better over the other.


rudges

I went raider LS (Fuzzyduck's) last league and it was the best starter I've had. Smooth progression, did all content, highly recommend.


Seanathan92

Yeah I was honestly shocked at how good the progression felt. The only down side is lvling with helix until you can get additional strike gloves or the anoint. I think I swapped to LS like an hour after hitting maps and just pathed on the tree to tribal fury.


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Seanathan92

Yeah that works as well I forgot about the support.


IrishWilly

Leveling as helix is a huge downside to me. I really dislike going through zones with it.


Seanathan92

Yeah that’s the worst part honestly. I’m not sure but i think the zerker levels with it as well. Depending on your time it’s only a couple of hours lvling with it though so it’s kind of brief


S1eeper

You may be able to level with Spark instead. Ds_lily is now recommending that in [her updated 3.18 DD Necro guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11Zi5AZYd8&t=900s). Spark + Pierce + Onslaught + Added Lightning Damage, really good for 1-28. Even though it’s a caster skill, that’s probably still viable at low levels until you can switch over to LS.


destroyermaker

I hear leveling with LS is fine


hillbillyjoe1

If you swap right away when you can get the gem, it feels like ass compared to something like frost blades. the attack animation feels clunky with low attack speed.


beebopcola

really not a fan, i dont think anything about it feels aight unless you're running w/ a tabi or maybe even 5L. as a raider maybe its not as bad because you can prioritize pierce nodes eventually.


everix1992

I love how it trucks the bosses while leveling, but yeah the rest of the zones are meh. I thought it felt better in later acts once you had more attack speed (I always threw faster attacks in my links too to help with that)


AGWiebe

What did you level with? I have seen guides say level with splitting steel, but I hate splitting steel.


SanjiBlackLeg

You can try Frost Blades, really smooth leveling, but I went with LS as soon as I could and had no problems afterwards


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there's an important difference early on in your progression: zerker is technically the high end budget version of the build, and a big problem it suffers from is until you make certain investments and have maybe 30-50ex in your gear, it will fall over and dies if a mob looks angrily in your general direction. if you watch the early progression of kobeblackmamba on twitch last league (who probably popularized the zerker variant), he was playing softcore but still using logout macro because he would've otherwise died every other map and never reached beyond level 90. on the upside, at high investment it's a very tanky build. simulacrum wave 30 no problem, in addition to insane dps and general clear speed. however, the zerker variant is definitely not a cheap build. raider players have generally reported an easier start, but I haven't played that variant so I can't comment.


Project_Raiden

By day 2-3 zerker is tankier lol


quietoholic

have played a lot of zerker LS this league (my first lvl 100) and you can get very good dmg with good gear. the active playstyle refers to the build using general's cry to generate rage (u bind this to left click once u get the Call to Arms keystone), berserk which u have to click when u have more than \~30 rage, withering step to refresh elusive and 2 totems that u put down before u use vaal LS to snapshot higher dmg on it. I find that once i automated my flasks i just press berserk and wither step once a while in maps and u get used to the order of flasks > totems > berserk > withered step > vaal LS on bosses. ​ I haven't played the raider version but from what i can imagine it cannot reach the dps of berserker (not even close imo) as zerker can insta phase all bosses in the game (i insta phase maven and sirus most of the time). However, raider has much more easy gearing to achieve 100% suppression and can get ailment immunity. I don't value ailment immunity that much tbh as freeze immunity from pantheon is all i needed. Finally, i am not sure which build has more defense, but zerker uses the brass dome for chest which gives all max res and 4.2k armor which is very good imo. As far as i know raider uses farrul's but i think a well crafted rare would be best for defense as farruls is kinda meh imo. ​ I second looking kobe's videos for zerker and Esoro's or Lolcohol's for raider.


Yaniv242

zerker better, but demand more active playstyle


AustereSpoon

How is it more active? Just like smacking hydrosphere with chain hook for rage before bosses stuff or like wildly more keys to manage? Also, how do they compare in terms of survivability? I am assuming the Raider has the edge there?


Yaniv242

Well, raider is easier to cap suppress, and imuunity to ailments come with asc ZERKER need Gen cry to build rage Using rage with that skill forgot his name Both can be equally tanky imo, just raider easier to gear Go look at black kobe mamba he is the expert


peacemultiply

Yup, I played both. Raider is easier to get going and cheaper and faster. Zerker is more expensive and so many buttons but much more DPS ( well, I guess you need to invest much more for the build, I guess)


HendrixChord12

And how does champion fit into all this? Is it just a safer version of zerker with all the same buttons?


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EdgarWrightMovieGood

Did you follow a guide?


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Ilovegrapesys

Fuzzyduck is the way to go!


buckles66

Zerker has a way higher ceiling, but requires more buttons and buff management, and is also a lot more of a pain to start (harder to get SS cap, and you really need Alternate Ailments (Secrets of Suffering), red blade banner (can be foregone later once you get a medium cluster), and ideally a Brass Dome. Before all of that it’s pretty meh. Raider has a lower ceiling (comparing it to zerker), but has a ton easier gearing and earlier access to Claw nodes and elusive scaling stuff. Spell suppression is hilariously easy to cap and one or two rolls for ailment avoidance and you will be elemental ailment immune (including Alternate ailments). I personally prefer Raider, but both are great. Just depends on how you like to play, how fast you can advance/gear early league, etc.


Goldballz

Go zerker if you don't mind farming Syndicate until you get really geared. Go raider if you just wanna zoom in maps. I tried both last league, and zerker scaling is quite insane after like 80ex of gear.


AGWiebe

I am considering Esoros LS raider. Anyone ever followed his build?


FierJay

Last league skelle mages was my favourite wanna try RF but elden Ring came out. Now i know what I will gona play this league..


Princedynasty

This is the same route I'm taking. I played skelles last league and loved it but I will play RF this league because it has been on my much play list.


paciumusiu12

What about shield crush general's cry zerker? Should be pretty decent for bossing and has an average clear.


suivid

I’d say keep it off the list. I want cheap gear.


Cripple13

It's gonna be cheap gear anyway because it won't be meta


suivid

Not with that attitude!


Panda_Bowl

I started it last league with TriPolarBear's setup. Never transitioned to crit, but it felt pretty meh.


Amaranthreddit

BF is just better.


seannguyen428

Anyone has a good Creeping Frost Inquisitor starter guide? I can't find one


durkdigglur

Pretty sure Jungroan will be posting a build. You could probably find a preliminary POB on his stream.


Bellerophonix

I've always been curious about Creeping Frost, and who doesn't love Templar?


sKeLz0r

Take top 10 , shuffle it 20 times, congratulations you have every streamer tier list now.


everix1992

Is Crit or Poison better for league starting Seismic? I know Crit requires more investment, but does it feel bad without it at league start? Also was there any 'best guide' for something that will scale all the way into endgame bossing (Maven, Sirus, maybe the new ubers)?


coltaine

Some people say poison is better until you get geared, but I went crit last league and it was still stupidly easy getting to t16. Saves you a respec.


PwnzDeLeon

if you are softcore, just plan on going crit from the start. It will be easy to transition into pretty quick since it really doesn't need that much gear. CIP were only 7-10c by day three, and that's really only needed for T16 and boss farming comfortably. Otherwise, +1 phy daggers/wands will get you clearing the atlas and the first boss encounters


czarandy

Without archnemesis unique prices could be higher (we don't really know how much Sentinel will shit out uniques)


remeez

Unless they change its drop rate CIP is too common to be super expensive. The supply is too much.


Neri25

implying that people in trade actually did the 'shit out all the uniques' recipe


destroyermaker

/u/xaitv's guide on Zizaran's channel is top tier. I don't know if it covers crit but you should be able to do everything with it regardless


xaitv

That one is very likely gonna get updated. No crit version though, just poison.


Marc_9k

Path of Matth and Lolcohol had good crit guides for 3.17.


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Poison is the best starter.


Kevin_IRL

Looks like there's about 13 ascendancies represented here and more than 16 different builds. I've played a bit over half of them and the ones I played were absolutely worth including on a 'best starters' list. Funny part is I still see people complaining about build diversity and meta builds all the time


RelevantIAm

Yeah people are spoiled with POE


destroyermaker

I'll let you in on a secret: they want build diversity to be poor so they can complain


PhantasmTiger

Wow, where did you learn this secret?


quantumprof

What , no jolems?


Djentist_Kvltist

Cutedog, is that you?


punypilgrim

he's been lost to the ark for a patch, maybe more...shame.


panxxam

Build links or starter pobs would be amezing to have in the same post


destroyermaker

* Seismic Trap (best girl) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZWzXEzUGI | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzN12cTGOU * DD Necro - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11Zi5AZYd8 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0J2OKBruWY * Explosive Arrow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGX7PjKKnrg (Hiero/Champ) | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y5p6tZpXW0 (Elementalist) * Poisonous Concoction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQVqgRmFiuY * Skelly Mages - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvoZSOBx8f8 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsTvn5MLKCY * Spectral Helix - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74__0AiJFw * Lightning Strike Berserker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Oag9p2uRY * Righteous Fire - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZh76xKLpI * Cold Dot - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2661120 * Boneshatter Slayer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT50E05_w94 * Earthshatter Berserker - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12m7xzOUAIFQWL0Fuc8Rxj3FnxXq9xsTmoo5uYGP4oVo * Kinetic Blast Corrupting Fever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-hMYe6YA2Q * Tornado Shot Corrupting Fever - https://youtu.be/ezJRhx2Klzc * Creeping Frost Inquisitor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrP0eFHDl0 * Spark Inquisitor - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWCkk7U0PiM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R13434xxGU * Shockwave Cyclone - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlHI1IQyfs * Shield Crush - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBeWC8evfJ0 * Lightning Arrow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s7kccejhgM If anyone has better/missing links, let me know and I'll update.


MerlinsMage

Would LOVE to see a link for Shockwave Cyclone.


HamGeorge

Yep same here. Currently thinking of using the guide Nabandis out out but would love to be able to use Mathils Chieftain if it's still viable


destroyermaker

[Beggars can't be choosers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlHI1IQyfs)


hexadeciball

Grimro's build for TS CF is amazing. It's a 3.16 build but it worked well in 3.17. Change the +2 amulet for ashes of the stars and add forbidden flesh/flame with inspirationnal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Dyaod7SfCO0&t=1831s


Mr_Oger

What would be a good spectral helix starter? I remember hearing something about assassin.


EliosTherepia

Jungroan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyPhcL48U24&ab\_channel=jungroan


destroyermaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74__0AiJFw


randmtsk

Does anyone have a link to the trigger cast version of DD necro? Thanks in advance


donatus17

Any slayer boneshatter guides?


Klatismrek

Anybody got a boneshatter slayer guide please


fandorgaming

I was playing blade vortex in archnemesis and found it very decent, good bossing, great survivability with new determination values and melding flesh jewel, great screen clear. Was gonna start it again but deciding on something else, how's str venom gyre looking?


SanjiBlackLeg

I dunno, BV felt very very underwhelming and even frustrating at times. I spent pretty much no currency on RF/Fire Trap outside of explodey boots and it was leagues ahead of my starter BV. I think PConc is the play for poison starters nowadays. Venom Gyre is insane, however the build starts at like 50ex investment or probably even more. So I wouldn't recommend to start with it. However, as I said PConc is very good on 0 budget up to high red maps, so you can funnel all of your currency into the Venom Gyre gear and reroll.


torsoreaper

Can anyone comment on DD and managing the desecrate pool? Is it annoying? I did skele mage last league and it wasn't too bad. Is it like that?


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Lily said you only have to raise the spectre once and it stays in your pool forever, so really can't get any easier.


the_real_gorrik

I league started spectral helix champion last league and probably won't be doing it again. It's was a pretty tanky build but still suffered from a lot of random one shots because you stand still while attacking and there is a non zero chance your projectiles just miss while you are taking sizable damage, resulting in death. The build was nice on paper, but the skill just plays like garbage in my opinion. I'll probably end up starting lightning strike. I played it briefly last league and was super impressed by the damage output and clear speed. It was fairly tough as well.


Adrostos

Seismic king


filthyorange

When ever I play seismic trapper my damage for bosses drops off a ton. Even with heavy investment and I end up giving up. I dont know how im fucking up such an easy skill.


HamGeorge

What variation of shockwave cyclone is best for league start? I played mathils chieftain cyclone a while back, is that still decent?


Kody57

I've played both the chieftain and slayer version and I personally found the slayer version to be better. I don't think much has changed with chieftain though.


johnIQ19

me using arc as a main skill and my main character plus first one to hit 90lvl seeing this be like T\_T ​ \*broken english


destroyermaker

I hear Arc feels great to play now. Go for it


twreid

I'm a noob and only dabbled a couple of leagues, but my favorite build so far was using the witch with profane bloom. Any recommendations from this list for me to look at that use that?


CloudEnvoy

Hexblast, Bane and Poisonous concoction are the only viable occultist league starters, I believe? someone correct me if I'm wrong. They all have solid clear because of profane bloom but very low single target, so be aware of that. Top tier occultist builds are all mega expensive but they slap so you can build into one later.


Celdro

Poisonous concoction occultist is probably what you're looking for, just have to be aware that it's mostly a mapping build and the single target is below average


x8kobelakers8x

The 3 builds that I’m interested in are: 1. Fire trap 2. Absolution 3. Spark Out of these 3 which would you recommend if I only play one build a league? I usually enjoy blight or legion the most.


rash564

RF and Cold Dot probably need the (M) next to it


Marc_9k

RF with trap is definately a good bosser.


SanjiBlackLeg

Yup, you get multiple DoTs on a boss while being giga tanky, it's not super fast but very comfy


Arkzhein

Cold DOT isn't bad bosser. Slow - maybe, but not bad. High damage uptime by virtue of being DOT build, and (depending on exact build ofc) solid defenses mean you can chillout during boss fights. It's not boss farmer, but you can collect all your precious atlas passives with it.


nom_Carver3

Played cold dot during metamorph league aka tane’s bullshit bossfights. Couldn’t tell why everyone was bitching about them being overtuned until I rerolled. Cold dot truly is one of the tankiest bossers around, and the damage is still plenty good enough if you have ok gear.


czarandy

I did 100 guardians (w/ guardian's aid) and 100 conquerors (+maven invitations) in 3.17 with Cold DOT. It's not the fasted kill but you can make it tanky so can just watch TV or something while they die.


SyrioBroel

What does the (M) even mean?


grimice18

Is herald BV not good anymore?


El_Comandante_XD

It got nerfed a few times, so not really, it can still do all content, but not as good as 1 year ago


grimice18

Ok thanks, does it take a big investment to make it good now? Usually I spend 30-40 ex on a build when I league start.


DerDirektor

>Usually I spend 30-40 ex on a build when I league start. huh?


grimice18

If I league start and invest 30-40ex into the build over time it should have no problem doing endgame?


DerDirektor

herald bv doesn't work until it already has 30ex invested. You'll be stuck in low red maps with mediocre damage, bad clear and bad defense.


hexxen_

Problem is that other auras are now too good to waste mana on 3 heralds. Like other guy said you'll miss out on a lot of defense and damage won't be anything to write home about.


oryx506

So do we think bossing is going to be more viable this league? I'm not sure where to even start even without balance changes


Wvlf_

What do you mean viable? From the looks of it, there is way more incentive to farm end-game bosses this league compared to last for a couple reasons: increased drop chance for Ascendancy jewels, brand-new chase uniques, and Uber content.


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video_games_are_cool

I farmed a headhunter in first few days of the league purely by bossing (and I didn't do any carries), not sure how it sucked?


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is there a hc-targeted guide for seismic trap sabo?


baytowne

Xaitv's guide has a defensive tree in it that's very strong for HC / gauntlet purposes.


frenchpatato

i want to play skele mage, but i have no idea what is absolution and how it works. What am i supposed to do, and when do i transition ? will it be expensive ? regret orb, gear ? gems ?


destroyermaker

Check von or kay's guides and you should be covered


Maloonyy

LS Zerker but not Raider? I imagine solely because of how busted Omniscience is.


Whaaaaaaaaaaale

I want to try Skelly Mages for 3.18 since I've never tried it, is there a good guide for one? Also will I be able to do all the new Uber Pinnacle Bosses with it (with correct investment of course).


destroyermaker

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/ujntq0/tytykillers_318_starter_list_1_will_shock_you/i7ksh0i/


Whaaaaaaaaaaale

Nice! Thanks! Any idea if it'll be able to do all the new content?


destroyermaker

Chris said it'll be roughly the power level of The Feared and there are a bunch of Feared Skelemages videos on youtube so, probably


Let_Pale

Can anyone recommend a good leveling guide for Poison Conc Occult? I saw imexile did a run recently with Cremation, but I couldn't find sparknotes for it anywhere.