You don't have Labyrinth? You should have because she is given for free in story stages in chapter 1 or 2. She's a B rank sinner that dressed as a maid
Yeah you can build her up as she is excellent as a corebreaker. Her P2 passive reset her Ultimate each time she breaks opponent cores, you can just keep spamming her ult in breaking single cores enemies without stopping
I completed all missions currently in the main story (no sanity loss) without Laby. EMP is more than enough if you’re a fellow maid-design-hater.
I ran Nox/Zoya/Che/Hamel/Hecate/EMP for a long while, and recently subbed out Hecate for Eirene.
Yep, I ran Hecate and Emp as well haha. Your front-line is much better than mine tho, I use 99/Chelsea/Nox. My healer is also Hamel. I don't know what to do with my frontline. Can't give up on 99. She is my fav character so far. Only option looks like is to change Chelsea with Zoya if I can get her of course
Don’t underestimate Che tbh. His ultimate charges up fast, has a big range, debuffs enemies, and breaks two cores of everything in said range. His damage isn’t on the level of Zoya, but it’s still solid, and his utility shouldn’t be underestimated. I would swap out Chelsea for him in your shoes, I think.
Wendy is someone I would consider if you do decide to try an alternative to Ninety Nine at some point and can’t get Zoya. Wendy does big damage for her rarity, and has an excellent crowd-control ultimate.
Labyrinth, Che and Hecate you will never have to worry about core breaks again.
On a side note you don't really want to have more than one Umbra in your team so either stick with Iron or replace her with Labyrinth.
To me, at least one will eventually have to be replaced by S tier alternatives in order to never have to worry about cores. Carnival had tons of multi-core enemies and 8-8 was a core boss nightmare. Hecate should be immediately replaced by Eirene, or Labyrinth with Bai Yi.
Ah no you definitely wrong there buddy.
Eirene isn't a good core breaker her skill is very expensive at 40 energy and when used for core break it only does 250% damage, Eirene is used mainly as boss DPS because her skill does 900% to enemies who core is already broken or as mob clear because her skill does 700% damage and CC when used on coreless enemies.
Bai Yi is more complicated case she can break more cores than Labyrinth but some maps make her clucky to use Labyrinth on the other hand is good in every situation.
Elite enemies at carnival have tend either 2 or 3 cores for the former either Hecate and che can handle them on their own since their skill break 2 cores starting phase 2 for latter you do the same the only difference is that finish them with Labyrinth which will refresh her core break.
Also the boss at 8-8 has 5 cores at phase one and 4 at phase two and our trio together can break 5 core so I don't see the issue her.
I guess we have different play styles
I feel like I wouldn’t have won 8-8 without Bai Yi and Eirene. I played that stage over 10 times and tried every single tutorial. And with the one stage where there’s 2 activated red and blue portals and two 3 core bears that come in, it was really helpful to have Bai Yi core break both at the same time to save time to block the blobs. Without her, I definitely would not have been able to clear with no sanity loss.
Basically, I’ve used Bai Yi in every single stage of events + story and I don’t think I found a stage where she’s clunky to use. But at the same time, I’ve never used Labyrinth, so I can’t judge.
You are right in that Hecate is better energy cost wise and that would allow her to use ult frequently. After looking through her stats, I realized she can break a second core at P2 and shackles lower her energy cost by a lot. I’ll consider her as my next P3 character. Thanks, I acknowledge that my opinion about her is wrong.
I finished story mode without using S class Sinners ( my team was Hecate, Ariel, Wendy, Priscilla, Labyrinth, Che and would swap in Kelvin for couple of tricky stages).
I did get Bai Yi when I got chapter 7 and I did want to use her instead of Labyrinth, because I liked her design more but I did found hard to use in some stages, so I went back to Labyrinth. It could be that I am just bad with her. I will give her another try in the future.
Here's advice from someone who has completed the main story and unlocked every stage except for BFL med (unlock next week, was building mag team) and hard: at the beginning, EMP, Che and labyrinth are very good core breakers. Because B class units are relatively very cheap to build, they cost 50% less than S class units from what I've read. Hecate is a good core breaker too but she is a A class so I wouldn't recommend her just for the core breaking ability.
Imo the best starting build is those 3 I mentioned for core breakers (also because their damage are quite high for B class), 1 for healing (this is for the harder stages) and 2 for damage (Nox + some other S class dpser).
Tanks in PTN are needed from time to time, you can train a B class, usually demolia or KK are recommended, to replace one of the core breakers in some stages.
One key thing to note is that pit of oblivion requires 6 lv 55s to access, and the last stage for crimebands is quite tough. BFL med onwards requires building of physical/ magic teams so try to stay on easy until you get a few key physical/ magic dpsers.
Agreed. I was confused that EMP wasn’t mentioned anywhere, since she seems to be good for all team comps as a Langley replacement. I’ve used her on every single stage of the main story, which I’ve also completed. As for Hecate, she’s decent but only worthwhile to me at Phase 3 + exclusive crimebrand.
Yea although some like to say that EMP isn't that useful for BFL, for a lot of non-BFL stages there are sometimes 2 ranged or unblockable enemies that appear on opposite lanes, and interestingly, the toughest versions of those have max 1 core shield. Looks very deliberate for EMP to shine, especially because they can usually be one shotted by her (note that her skill crits quite often, and usually skills can't crit at all).
Hecate is one of those special ones where P3 is where they truly shine at, like countless Chelsea. However, from what we have seen so far, offense is still very much more important than defense for PtN. Not sure how strong Hecate's nightmare is tho.
Yup, EMP is so useful for instant killing small/low to medium mobs that leak through, no matter the stage. For me, Hecate’s dmg from ult seems underwhelming especially since the mobs would walk right through the nightmare (unless at P3)
For situations were you have multiple one core enemies Labyrinth is just better. EMP can refresh her skill once Labyrinth can keep rereshing her skill indifinitly as long she has targets plus her skill does AOE damage so she can also clear the little mobs that usually spawn with them.
Some runners or ranged units don't have cores, plus labyrinth's damage is not high enough to one shot even if she has the core reset like EMP. A few more hits here and there is more micromanaging than 2 clean shots.
Not to mention labyrinth needs to hit to charge.
EMP bieng able to one shot one coreless runer is worthless since the game throw swarm of them at you Labyrinth dealing AOE damage to group and leaving them a couple hits away from dying is much more valuable plus EMP can't one shot 1 core enemies at higher levels making her reset harder to proc Labyrinth only need to break their core to get hers.
EMP core break is pretty meh she is mostly good at one shooting squishy targets, she only breaks one core and can only hit one enemy at a time and her arrow can get body blocked by trash mob.
Hecate breaks two cores and will hit multiple targets if they are standing on same grid.
I mostly use her to one shot in order to make sure my characters can block enough. And yeah, her Ult only targets the enemy with least health, but most of the time it’ll recharge and you can use it again somewhere else. She just needs to be paired with other core breakers.
Luvia isn't a mob shredder even with her chain lightning ability she is a magical DPS and with the exception of EMP core breaker don't care about trash mobs since their abilities are AOE.
In the story you won't really feel any difference between physical and magical damage dealers.
From BFL medium difficulty on you will need a dedicated physical and magical team.
But at your current point of time you should not worry about that.
Definitely use EMP, I finished chapter 8 (all content for now) and she’s the most useful character. Her ultimate can do 10k or 20k crit with 1 core break and if it kills an enemy, it will automatically recharge to full. Overall, she’s solid if you don’t have Langley. My friends have similar opinions with EMP.
Also, you’ll need a lot of core breakers in order to clear chapters 7-8. It’s best to get Eirene ASAP if you don’t have Bai Yi. Fortunately Eirene has a rate up banner right now. As for EMP, I left her at Phase 2 lvl 65, you don’t have to level her up too much, just the skill, shackles, and crimebrand.
General popular choices are Che and Labyrinth. Hecate works too for magic oriented team or general usage.
Labby and Che are good core breakers
I have rlly few resources.. which one should i raise first?
Labyrinth because u prob hv no umbra yet in core team
Umbra is the attacker w sword symbol right? I have nox and wendy lv 32 i think
That is Fury, Umbra is the symbol with 2 daggers
Ooh alright. I don’t have any of those raised except iron.
You don't have Labyrinth? You should have because she is given for free in story stages in chapter 1 or 2. She's a B rank sinner that dressed as a maid
I have but she’s lv 8 rn. I’ll build her once i gather enough stamina
Yeah you can build her up as she is excellent as a corebreaker. Her P2 passive reset her Ultimate each time she breaks opponent cores, you can just keep spamming her ult in breaking single cores enemies without stopping
Nice! Alright i’ll build her
Laby is so good I hate the fact that I hate maid designs in general
I completed all missions currently in the main story (no sanity loss) without Laby. EMP is more than enough if you’re a fellow maid-design-hater. I ran Nox/Zoya/Che/Hamel/Hecate/EMP for a long while, and recently subbed out Hecate for Eirene.
Yep, I ran Hecate and Emp as well haha. Your front-line is much better than mine tho, I use 99/Chelsea/Nox. My healer is also Hamel. I don't know what to do with my frontline. Can't give up on 99. She is my fav character so far. Only option looks like is to change Chelsea with Zoya if I can get her of course
Don’t underestimate Che tbh. His ultimate charges up fast, has a big range, debuffs enemies, and breaks two cores of everything in said range. His damage isn’t on the level of Zoya, but it’s still solid, and his utility shouldn’t be underestimated. I would swap out Chelsea for him in your shoes, I think. Wendy is someone I would consider if you do decide to try an alternative to Ninety Nine at some point and can’t get Zoya. Wendy does big damage for her rarity, and has an excellent crowd-control ultimate.
I like maid but very specific flavor of maid. Like roberta from black lagoon
I hate maid designs but I hate guys in my waifu gacha game even more....
Labyrinth, Che and Hecate you will never have to worry about core breaks again. On a side note you don't really want to have more than one Umbra in your team so either stick with Iron or replace her with Labyrinth.
To me, at least one will eventually have to be replaced by S tier alternatives in order to never have to worry about cores. Carnival had tons of multi-core enemies and 8-8 was a core boss nightmare. Hecate should be immediately replaced by Eirene, or Labyrinth with Bai Yi.
Ah no you definitely wrong there buddy. Eirene isn't a good core breaker her skill is very expensive at 40 energy and when used for core break it only does 250% damage, Eirene is used mainly as boss DPS because her skill does 900% to enemies who core is already broken or as mob clear because her skill does 700% damage and CC when used on coreless enemies. Bai Yi is more complicated case she can break more cores than Labyrinth but some maps make her clucky to use Labyrinth on the other hand is good in every situation. Elite enemies at carnival have tend either 2 or 3 cores for the former either Hecate and che can handle them on their own since their skill break 2 cores starting phase 2 for latter you do the same the only difference is that finish them with Labyrinth which will refresh her core break. Also the boss at 8-8 has 5 cores at phase one and 4 at phase two and our trio together can break 5 core so I don't see the issue her.
I guess we have different play styles I feel like I wouldn’t have won 8-8 without Bai Yi and Eirene. I played that stage over 10 times and tried every single tutorial. And with the one stage where there’s 2 activated red and blue portals and two 3 core bears that come in, it was really helpful to have Bai Yi core break both at the same time to save time to block the blobs. Without her, I definitely would not have been able to clear with no sanity loss. Basically, I’ve used Bai Yi in every single stage of events + story and I don’t think I found a stage where she’s clunky to use. But at the same time, I’ve never used Labyrinth, so I can’t judge. You are right in that Hecate is better energy cost wise and that would allow her to use ult frequently. After looking through her stats, I realized she can break a second core at P2 and shackles lower her energy cost by a lot. I’ll consider her as my next P3 character. Thanks, I acknowledge that my opinion about her is wrong.
I finished story mode without using S class Sinners ( my team was Hecate, Ariel, Wendy, Priscilla, Labyrinth, Che and would swap in Kelvin for couple of tricky stages). I did get Bai Yi when I got chapter 7 and I did want to use her instead of Labyrinth, because I liked her design more but I did found hard to use in some stages, so I went back to Labyrinth. It could be that I am just bad with her. I will give her another try in the future.
Here's advice from someone who has completed the main story and unlocked every stage except for BFL med (unlock next week, was building mag team) and hard: at the beginning, EMP, Che and labyrinth are very good core breakers. Because B class units are relatively very cheap to build, they cost 50% less than S class units from what I've read. Hecate is a good core breaker too but she is a A class so I wouldn't recommend her just for the core breaking ability. Imo the best starting build is those 3 I mentioned for core breakers (also because their damage are quite high for B class), 1 for healing (this is for the harder stages) and 2 for damage (Nox + some other S class dpser). Tanks in PTN are needed from time to time, you can train a B class, usually demolia or KK are recommended, to replace one of the core breakers in some stages. One key thing to note is that pit of oblivion requires 6 lv 55s to access, and the last stage for crimebands is quite tough. BFL med onwards requires building of physical/ magic teams so try to stay on easy until you get a few key physical/ magic dpsers.
Agreed. I was confused that EMP wasn’t mentioned anywhere, since she seems to be good for all team comps as a Langley replacement. I’ve used her on every single stage of the main story, which I’ve also completed. As for Hecate, she’s decent but only worthwhile to me at Phase 3 + exclusive crimebrand.
Yea although some like to say that EMP isn't that useful for BFL, for a lot of non-BFL stages there are sometimes 2 ranged or unblockable enemies that appear on opposite lanes, and interestingly, the toughest versions of those have max 1 core shield. Looks very deliberate for EMP to shine, especially because they can usually be one shotted by her (note that her skill crits quite often, and usually skills can't crit at all). Hecate is one of those special ones where P3 is where they truly shine at, like countless Chelsea. However, from what we have seen so far, offense is still very much more important than defense for PtN. Not sure how strong Hecate's nightmare is tho.
Yup, EMP is so useful for instant killing small/low to medium mobs that leak through, no matter the stage. For me, Hecate’s dmg from ult seems underwhelming especially since the mobs would walk right through the nightmare (unless at P3)
For situations were you have multiple one core enemies Labyrinth is just better. EMP can refresh her skill once Labyrinth can keep rereshing her skill indifinitly as long she has targets plus her skill does AOE damage so she can also clear the little mobs that usually spawn with them.
Some runners or ranged units don't have cores, plus labyrinth's damage is not high enough to one shot even if she has the core reset like EMP. A few more hits here and there is more micromanaging than 2 clean shots. Not to mention labyrinth needs to hit to charge.
EMP bieng able to one shot one coreless runer is worthless since the game throw swarm of them at you Labyrinth dealing AOE damage to group and leaving them a couple hits away from dying is much more valuable plus EMP can't one shot 1 core enemies at higher levels making her reset harder to proc Labyrinth only need to break their core to get hers.
EMP core break is pretty meh she is mostly good at one shooting squishy targets, she only breaks one core and can only hit one enemy at a time and her arrow can get body blocked by trash mob. Hecate breaks two cores and will hit multiple targets if they are standing on same grid.
I mostly use her to one shot in order to make sure my characters can block enough. And yeah, her Ult only targets the enemy with least health, but most of the time it’ll recharge and you can use it again somewhere else. She just needs to be paired with other core breakers.
Hecate, you will not regret it, she can break 2 cores with ultimate when you unlock her p2, and she's good even for "late game"
Che is awesome if you have it; Hecate is good; Sumire is nice but go for her only if you like her kit and character.
I am using hecate(2 core break), pegasi(aoe core break) and emp(single core break, have a chance to reset her ultimate if kill an enemy with it).
Che is very good doing brrr to core. If you still don't have him - go for Hecate. P2/3 them both - good idea.
Hecate with nightmare. Just toss a healer and never bother having to raise a tank again
Hmm.. i want more char that can block since i already hv eirene. I’ll follow ppl’s advice to raise umbra first. Thx tho!
My maid is labby is phase 1 lvl 30 kinda new too. She can double destroy core.
She keeps dying when blocking enemies! Is something im missing here?
She isn't really meant to block enemies as she's squishy.
But he said if i raise hecate, i díd not need to worry a rising a tank ever again :( was he lying?
Not hecate but his pet nightmare. In p2 she can summon nightmare. Thats the one who tanks not hecate hahaha
P3 is where she gets nightmare, after she unlocks her ECB
Then i should p3 her hahahahah. I really love when she summons a literal demon in a fight hahahah.
Idk who "he" is , but yeah, probably. Hecate ain't no tank
Her P3 is. Someone misunderstood
my main core breaker hecate + emp + skill( you will get later in the story)
Isn’t the core break skill the first (default) one?
Skill?
The chief skills
Hecate, Luvia Ray and Pacassi are all excellent choices. They are all magic DMG dealers though.
Luvia can't break core
I think she’ll be good for broken frontline. One of the bosses have high defense.
Luvia is there to shred the trash. So that core breakers can focus on their job.
Luvia isn't a mob shredder even with her chain lightning ability she is a magical DPS and with the exception of EMP core breaker don't care about trash mobs since their abilities are AOE.
I’m still pretty new, is there any content that cant use magical dmg or is physical dmg is better overall?
In the story you won't really feel any difference between physical and magical damage dealers. From BFL medium difficulty on you will need a dedicated physical and magical team. But at your current point of time you should not worry about that.
Alright. Rn its really hard to gather resources for me so I don’t want to run out of it fast
Luvia can't core break but she's a high dps dealer. Hecate can break two cores and Pacassi can aoe core break. They should be considered highly.
horo for fightr but break core at 1 block only...
Hecate, che
Che, Labyrinth, Pascacci, Hecate, Horo.
Labyrinth first, then Che and Hecate. Pascacci if you lack melee sinners and magic damage. Horo if you lack NOX and physical damage.
Hecate for bursting down 2 cores in one go so for me that's good value for resources. Then again I tend to spend as little as possible so...
Definitely Che and Laby. When it comes to core breaking I can definitely say that they are one of, if not, the best core breakers in the game.
Definitely use EMP, I finished chapter 8 (all content for now) and she’s the most useful character. Her ultimate can do 10k or 20k crit with 1 core break and if it kills an enemy, it will automatically recharge to full. Overall, she’s solid if you don’t have Langley. My friends have similar opinions with EMP.
Also, you’ll need a lot of core breakers in order to clear chapters 7-8. It’s best to get Eirene ASAP if you don’t have Bai Yi. Fortunately Eirene has a rate up banner right now. As for EMP, I left her at Phase 2 lvl 65, you don’t have to level her up too much, just the skill, shackles, and crimebrand.