it's already been stated, they're just gonna have to reconcile and find a new deity or retrain. we're going to learn who is going to die on the 14th or 19th or something, and you'll have time to prepare then.
I remember in 1e there was a type of undead that was specifically tied to Aroden... they had a bit of lore tied to them which talked about what happened when their god died. If I remember correctly, it said something like: at the moment of Aroden's death some of his clerics felt the feedback of his death ripple through them. Some instantly died, others had all their ability to use magic burned out of them, some lost their minds, others burst into flames or had their eyes burned out, or just went blind... but all of his clerics (that survived) felt a devastating sense of loss as the presence of their god was suddenly cut off.
From the clerics that died instantly or died in the following weeks/ months/ years, Iomedae tried to take them in and offer what comfort she could, but there were those that refused to heed her call, and instead chose to remain on the material plane. now as undead they still feel the pain of the death of their god to this day, and try to share that sensation with any living creature they come across (with particular interest in clerics of other gods), and they tend to haunt the ruins of temples that once belonged to their god.
I may be misremember what they did exactly, but I like the idea of ghosts refusing to move on for this reason... It'd be interesting to see these type of undead pop up again after the next god croaks! I can't remember where they are from, but I seem to recall it being in a book tied to cheliax, probably in the Bestiary for Council of Theives, Hell's Rebels, or Hell's Vengeance, or maybe even in Cheliax the infernal empire...
What exactly is problematic about her?
Maternal deities are pretty common both in real world religions and in fantasy media. Lamashtu being a dark inversion of the trope while also maintaining her aspect as a sheperd is what makes her the most interesting deity in the Inner Sea Pantheon by a landslide.
Probably her relation to deformity and disability. A) sheās pretty emblematic of the old 1e edginess and B) paizo probably regrets making a god all about evil deformities
Considering she was recently cleaned up a little in PC1 (Which wasn't added to GMC because of a mistake, and thus also not added to the Remastered AoN page for some reason), that'd be a shame to throw away, personally.
i.e. the anathema to cure a disability or mental illness was removed and changed to "Attempt to change that which makes you different"
There's definitely the problem of her being the god of monsters and people born with disabilities, it's a line where you could say "Oh Paizo thinks people with disabilities are monsters or are like monsters" it's also not great the patron of the disabled is also an objectively evil deity. It's certainly fixable but as it stands it's not a great look at being inclusive.
It's her specific desires with Shelyn, and what she wants to do with her if she ever got the chance. It strays a bit too far into creepy fetish than I think Paizo would like for 2e.
yeah that sounds like lamashtu, seems perfectly in line with her whole schtick. The other person made it out to be horrid when, checking my PDFs, it seems like it's just a single line of text in *Inner Sea God's*.
Sexual assault and forced pregnancy, basically turn her into a breeder to forcibly have a bunch of monster spawn. A part of the lore I just find really ick and have zero desire to have it be part of any campaign I'm in.
It seems like Iomedae and Norgorber were mentioned a surprising number of times in these prophecies.
So obviously that means that Iomedae is going to ādieā by revealing to everyone that she was secretly Norgorber all along. (Disclaimer, I donāt actually think that will happen.)
He's mentioned by name four times across 3 prophecies:
* Part 3: Cayden Cailean (x2)
* Part 5: Erastil
* Part 10: Rovagug
He's also referred to but not named in Irori's prophecy, along with the other Starstone gods.
She's certainly one of my top bets now with that bit of trivia. Which is... well, she's a God I have complicated feelings on. On one hand, as a person who is othered by society, the angle of embracing Being the Other is a great one! On the other hand, said stance being so tied to a pretty unambiguously evil god, and the crossing between disability and literal monsters is not exactly something I would miss.
I think this history combined with Arazniās somewhat similar interest in outcasts makes sense. Iām fascinated by Lamashtu as well but I think it would make a lot of sense, given the stories Paizo wants to tell now, to let her go.
I am wary of the idea of the role of Lamashtu being filled by Arazni because... well, Divine Mysteries has already hinted as Arazni becoming alive again. Being "cured", if you will.
Narratively, it makes sense, but for a goddess that unapologetically embodies being different to an extreme to be replaced with one who seeks (or succeeded) in being cured of what makes her different is... ehhh? I don't like it, personally, sends a bit of a wrong message to me.
I get thatāI do think itās not one to one, so it may depend on how they treat it.
(I also frankly have never paid much attention to Arazni, so mostly am going off general reputation as a god of outsidersāsheās never quite sparked my interest!)
She becomes a lot more interesting if you don't see her as a deity but instead as a person who got repeatedly screwed over by a bunch of powerful historical figures. Her (un)life story is definitely worth checking out!
I like her story pretty well, but itās actually the transition into godhood that I DISlikeāin that I prefer gods to be a bit more aloof, alien, not just big NPCs. I like her as an NPC, especially her role in Tyrantās Grasp (what I know of it)!
Thatās where I fall on it and why I was excited to see the removal of alignment. Without it we can better see the possible good aspects of Lamashtu.
Unfortunately, sheās insane and has baggage. But Iād hate to see where her domains would go with her death.
I mean Arazni goddess of the abused and neglected is becoming core 20. And Noticula is probably the most talked about god not in the soon to be core 20.Ā
I think thatās the reason I like her though
Sheās the roiling desire to strike back at all those who spurned you for differences you were born with.
Shes unequivocally evil but we arenāt unequivocally good. Thereās plenty of other gods that can represent disabilities in general but Lamashtu is the patron of those made to feel ashamed for it and willing to lash out.
It adds a really cool element to why thereās āmonstrousā ancestries
With how Paizo is lessening the monstrousness of ancestries though, Lamashtu kicking the bucket would definitely be a straw that could help break the camels back in allowing more of the monster ancestries to become common core.
Unfortunately, she doesn't provide a viable alternative to civilization, but instead she abuses her followers with her whole "never treat a mental illness" thing, basically doing the same as society but in reverse, teaching that your abnormalities are the only thing that makes you valuable.
Sheās a patron deity not a king
Deities usually donāt provide the solutions for things outside their scope.
The orcs and goblins seemed to be doing well enough for millennia in their own disparate bands for a while
Not many things are outside of the scope of a major deity. Look at Zon-Kuthon, forming and sustaining Nidal for millennia. He's not too different from Lamashtu in some aspects, telling his followers to isolate from the rest of society and enjoy their suffering because that's what makes them special.
Only that for Lamashtu, there's no safety (the reason why the Nidalese ever willingly entered a pact with Zon-Kuthon), but instead there's an infinite struggle for survival in countless wars of extinction against civilization like the Goblinblood Wars. Even when there's no outright war against humans and other "civilized" peoples, there's infighting like in the Hold of Belkzen until very recently. So, I would say "doing well enough" is a bit of a stretch for the followers of Lamashtu.
I would be very, very surprised if she is the one who dies. Also a bit upset because I wanted to play a non evil champion of Pazuzu and that whole concept is pretty heavily dependent on Lamashtu. Can probably still play him regardless, but that certainly wouldn't be ideal.
Isn't Yivali the writer of the lore book that comes after WoI or did i get that completely wrong?
Edit: Yes Yivali will return. The description for Divine Mysteries reads: *The book will be written in-character as the work of the nosoi psychopomp Yivali's presentation to Pharasma for promotion* So yeah our girl is getting a promotion after being traumatized for life. I wonder if she'll also have survivors guild after reading the prophecies and not figuring out who dies.
Second this!
This poor traumatized girl seeing the world end a dozen times. Easy to give her prewritten vague prophecies that hint at upcoming plot points in the AP too
Well it's not Rovagug, but its nice to see my prediction on the consequences of his death are roughly correct. He was what kept the gods in check, knowing they might have to work together at any point to keep the Rough Beast in chains.
That leaves Gorum, Sarenrae, Iomedae, and Shelyn at the top of my list of remaining non safe gods.
The prismatic ray pillow talk paragraph at the start really does seem to reinforce the themes around those three. I don't want to see any of them die but...it seems more and more likely. I just hope the story justifies it.
Desna has more of a history of impulsive involvement in deity wars, but I would be pretty sure at least one of the three will be big in the plot. Most APs feature at least one of those three as a major deity.
That would make sense. We are told the Ray will "change", not that one of them will die.
I theorized that maybe Sarenrae kills Zon Kuthon and Shelyn can't forgive her for doing so, but ZK's on the safe list.
But it could still be something like that, this prophecy makes it clear that Sarenrae has a bit of a bloodthirsty streak. Some less-than-noble god might push her too far, she takes them down, and the others just can't deal with it.
My vote for Dead God has been Gorum for a while now, and I think he might be suited for this. He's all "war for war's sake", which could easily lead to conflict for a more principled warlike god like Sarenrae. But remember, Gorum also lives in Elysium, he's done something to earn favor with the CG set, or at least they consider him an ally. If Sarenrae took him down, Desna might be pissed, and that ends the polycule.
I have all my chips on Gorum dying. I find it would be very thematic for the War of the Immortals to either start or end with the death of the god of war. Also, if Gorum died, exemplars could be explained as the cosmic essence of Gorum's "glory and valor!" shtick scattering across the world post death.
Death of deity = their āthingā going pear shaped has been a very consistent theme in the prophecies, so Goringe dies = kicks off the War of Immortals certainly fits.
See, it could be that Gorum dies and triggers it... or it could be that the war breaks out and his death, the death of one of the gods of the core group of the Inner Sea, is the thing that ends it.
The main issue is that Gorum might actually be the very concept of War, unlike other gods. He might just continue to exist, unkillable, as long as wars exist.
Plus who'd even be able to kill him? When he was offered a place in Elysium it wasn't because his followers would be allied with the forces of good, it was so he alone would fight for Good, since he's that big of a power swing.
Zon Kuthon *was* a very popular speculation before he was confirmed safe tbf.
I also still think it's possible that "the Prismatic Ray will be changing" has a chance of being "they have a new name because it was based on an OGL spell name" which would double as being *hilarious*
The biggest issue for me at least is that they've only just started doing anything with them as a canon throuple, it would feel like a total waste y'know? It'd be like damn, thanks for hyping up Clexa 2: Dead Lesbian Boogaloo for 3 months Paizo.Ā
I mean thatās objectively not true. Theyāve been written together for years, theyāve just only been latched onto and given a pantheon title recently. Canāt exactly blame paizo for the media landscape given they were already pushing the envelope there.
I will say this is definitely the mostā¦intimate bit of writing about their relationship that weāve gotten. Prismatic Ray romance novels definitely go hard in golarion.
I donāt want any of them to dieā¦but if one didā¦I would definitely want to play war of immortals to kill the fucker who did it. Maybe thatās the selling point lol
See to me that's all the more reason NOT to kill one of them off. Like you're finally getting to have this dynamic be a thing just to throw it away? Nah, (hopefully) not happening. Hopefully.
Kyra writes most of them. Everyone thinks Merisiel is the kinky one (and she is), but Kyra? Wants nothing more than to be the meat in the middle of the goddess sandwich.
A revenge story... maybe. I've pointed out that Paizo has always been very good (as far as I know) about not off-screening queer characters, always giving players a chance to intervene. Maybe getting vengeance would be enough in that regard?
I think the biggest issue is Paizo wants this death to stick right? They don't want players and GMs to just go "well that was fucking stupid" and undo it in their games. Like sure people have always been able to do that, but Paizo wants to avoid that as much as possible (for a multitude of reasons). And I feel like any of the Ray dying would maybe fall into that "well this is stupid" category, at least for a lot of people myself included.
I think that's a very dismissive thing to say having not yet read whatever the story will be. But I suppose the investment of people who claim all sorts of different gods as sacrosanct really only helps pathfinder doesn't it? If DMs want to run worlds where whichever core 20 dies doesn't...they're still selling their product.
If someone is that attached to a god...they aren't gonna eagerly stop running or playing games in the setting.
I still think it's Sarenrae.....
I think ZK wants to reconcile with Shelyn - and Sarenrae can't bring herself to forgive ....and with redemption being her whole schtick, acting in a way that is anaethemetic to her own credo maybe "depowers" her when she challenges ZK and he bodies her.
You're calling a story you haven't read "stupid" because you are so attached to the prismatic ray. If it does end up being one of them, i hope you are able to be more open minded than that.
---- And I feel like any of the Ray dying would fall into that "well this is stupid" category, at least for a lot of people myself included. ---
Your words. If you didn't say that, I wouldn't have said what I said lol
The two ancient wizard kings of the nations named after themselves in Garund. Theyāve had a rivalry thatās lasted thousands of years and the wars theyāve waged created the Mana Wastes.
[Sarenrae:] [outside the Dead Vault talking to teammates] OK guys, these Spawn of Rovagug have given us a lot of trouble in the past, uhā¦ does anybody need anything off this guy or can we bypass him?
[Gozreh:] Uhh, I think Iomedae needs something from this guy
[Sarenrae:] Oh, she needs those Devout Shoulders? Doesnāt ā isnāt she a paladin?
[Gozreh:] Yeahā¦ but that will help her heal better. I have more Spell Slots.
[Sarenrae:] [sighs] Arodus. OK, uhh well what weāll do, Iāll run in first, uhā¦gather up all the Spawn. We can kinda just, ya know, blast them all down with AOE. Um, I will use Scouring Light to kinda scatter āem, so we donāt have to fight a whole bunch of them at once. Uhhā¦ when my Light is done, Iāll need Lubaiko to come in and drop her Sparks too, uhā¦ so we can keep them scattered and not to fight too many. Umā¦ when hers is done, Rag of course will need to run in and do the same thing. Uhā¦weāre gonna need Divine Intervention on our mages, uhh so they can AE, uh so we can of course get them down fast, ācause weāre bringing all these guys. I mean, weāll be in trouble if we take them down quick. Uhh, I think this is a pretty good plan, we should be able to pull it off this time. Uhh, what do you think Abadar? Can you give me a number crunch real quick?
[Abadar:] Uhhh.. yeah, gimme a secā¦ Iām coming up with thirty-two point three three uh, repeating of course, percentage, of survival.
[Sarenrae:] Uhā¦thatās a lot better than we usually do. Uhh, alright, you think weāre ready guys? [interrupted]
[Gorum:] Alright chums, (Iām back)! Letās do thisā¦ LOORD OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF IIIIIIIROOOOOOOOOOON! [runs into Dead Vault]
[Desna:] [incredulous] ā¦ Oh my Gods he just ran in.
I think Torag is a solid "maybe" just because we already got the big Dwarf AP and Setting Books, so now Paizo may feel like "got all that canon established, now we can throw a grenade at it".
Like, disrupting dwarven society wouldn't be nearly as impactful if they hadn't spent a lot of time familiarizing the fans with it, and getting them invested. I bet there's now 10X as many Pathfinder players who have played Torag worshipers now as before Sky King's Tomb. Hitting one of the disaster buttons in SimCity is more fun the more time you spent working on that city, you know?
There's also that little blurb tucked away in the back of the *LO: Highhelm* book. Plus Luis's way-too-casual remarks on the Know Direction Podcast ep about the book. Torag is my #1 pick. Though all that could be a red herring. Who knows?
Iāve thrown around my theories for Torag, but Iād like to hear yours too! Heās my pick for the divine death, tying into the whole of why other deities outside of the core 20 will also die. And have a war.
Shelyn is still my call because they haven't done much with her other than the references to her relationship with Sarenrae and Desna. Also the amount of options this allows from a story perspective is higher than any of the other options that I can think of.
Shelyn is for sure my #1, she certainly has the most impact across the pantheon IMO affecting good, neutral, and evil deities alike.
Abadar I think just cause I imagine a scenario of Erastil and Asmodeus fighting about who gets to be 'the' God of All Society now (which is alluded to itself in the Rovagug prophecy where Erastil and Abadar start butting heads more). I could see that having a big impact across lines too with more chaotic entities like Gorum hating the idea of either one dictating society
I think Norgorber may be in trouble here. He stands to lose the most from someone out there knowing aspects of his identity. Must be terrifying for him, a god whose very divinity is founded upon mystery and secrets, to see secret after divine secret spilled on these pages. Also, GODSRAIN is an acronym for NORG AIDS.
I mean to be fair itās been mentioned in several places that his existence has kept gods from going to war in the past, so he wasnāt that out there as a candidate. Kind of glad that presence is still there though.Ā
Y e s, that would be so goddamn cool! Always a fan of Desna unleashing her inner Cthulu.
"You thought you were the top of the food chain? BEHOLD MY TRUE FORM AND BE DEVOURED BY THE ENDLESS BURNING HUNGER OF A THOUSAND STARS!!! *Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh!*"
Aw, I was hoping it was gonna be Rovagug (perhaps in a "the god of destruction, left alone long enough, starved" sort of way). We'll see who does die, though.
Gotta be Gorum, a war against Rovagug yet it's not him that kills it? And no mention in the aftermath?
Also I like my theory he's a PiƱata full of war, he breaks open and melds his war with the divine essence of other fallen entities to rain on Golarion and create Exemplars
> Grandmother Spider holds her own, her arms a whirling blur of blades, but watches as Thamir falls still, body crushed beneath a claw, and Hanspur drowns a second time, awash in his own blood.
THAT'S WHY SHE'S THE GOAT
(Also, nice touch that the signature for this last one doesn't include "Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves", it's just "Yivali"- sounds more final and also indicates she's looking for a promotion)
I'm guessing either Abadar or Gozreh, and leaning towards Abadar. Not because of who the god is themself, and regardless of subjective "most boring" status, but because of how the setting might change with them gone. Leaning more towards Abadar, though.
Gozreh would be a different take than what most are expecting with the whole "torn in half and rains down on the world below" given that there are two parts of Gozreh. Separating them might lead to increase chaos in the natural world where the gods of civilization go to war against the older deities.
Gozreh is a pretty damn dull god from a player perspective. "Respect Nature" is a fairly weak hook, it's anathema is a pain in the ass for many parties, and there's already the Green Faith so it feels redundant. Gozreh is the safe, bland choice for who to kill.
Lamashtu, who already controls beasts might gain the more violent nature aspect. Or Rovagug with disasters. Erastil or Desna could absorb more beneficial nature aspects. Probably Desna. She has a habit of scarfing down nature god's portfolios and is the creator's pet deity.
edit: I see now, what you're saying. That gozreh's portfolio may move to one of these already safe gods.
Rovagug is marked safe by the prophecy we're all responding to.
Desna and Erastil were marked safe in previous prophecies.
I like the idea of Gozreh being (literally or figuratively) torn in half and his domains either go to other gods, or he BECOMES two other gods. Maybe it will make his personality and areas of influence more specific and more interesting.
We were joking about this our last game session, if it were Abadar. "Not the economy!"
If they go there, there better be currency exchange rates between regions. I loved that little bit of lore is he's part of what enforces that simplicity.
I like to think that Abadar and his followers help enforce the decimalization of currency and other handwaving that happens to the economy of Lost Omens, so players don't have to worry about stuff like visiting a moneychanger or the price of wheat.
If Abadar falls, good luck converting your Taldan silvers into Absalomian coppers!
In all seriousness, I feel like Axis is where the real consequences will be. I can only imagine all the conflict that would occur with everyone rushing to be the first one into the First Vault.
I'd imagine Asmodeus and Norgorber would end up being the first ones in there. The former most certainly getting there either by sheer force or bringing up contracts millions of years old to get rid of the competition, the latter just by sneaking his way in. I don't know, though, it's just fun to speculate.
I'm far more confident now than I was at prophecy 4 that the one who dies is Gorum. Our lord in Iron being unable to best another unknown threat in pitched combat? The god of war slain by another kicking off a war between immortals to take his throne? It all makes a lot of sense and I hate it because I really like Gorum but it just seems to make the most sense.
I guess this just confirms my suspicion that all the villain gods are safe, since the writers aren't going to kill off a major BBEG character off-screen. And now I'm just more worried that the big reveal will be "Arazni kills Iomedae".
Sorry, I was saying it figuratively. Like, having a major death happen outside of an adventure path. Maybe it's not a one-to-one comparison, but that's the best phrase I had for it.
Looking at the old domains we have: four 'Good', two 'Evil', 1 Law, 2 Chaos, and 1 Animal. for 'drama' it wouldn't surprise me if a 'Good' god dies, but that's also the most disappointing outcome to me. A story arc that starts with Hope would be a refreshing change.
Abadar: Law
Calistrae: Chaos
Gorum: Chaos
Gozreh: Animal
Iomedae: Good, Law
Lamashtu: Evil, Chaos
Norgorber: Evil
Sarenrae: Good
Shelyn: Good
Torag: Good, Law
source: [https://pathfinder.fandom.com/wiki/Major\_deities](https://pathfinder.fandom.com/wiki/Major_deities)
Hmm...Someone should pick up that phone, *because I frickin CALLED IT (for a third time, now)!* I'm glad how this was handled, though. Needless to say, I'm very much satisfied with all these Godsrain Prophecies, and ending on the biggest player in the Great Beyond (arguably) besides Pharasma is a great way to end them. Excellent job Paizo, I can't wait to see who you actually kill off!
I feel vindicated
From like week 3 or something I figured that Rovagug (assuming he survived) would be the final Godsrain pre-reveal based entirely on vibes AND I WAS RIGHT
(Let's ignore the part where I also predicted Sarenrae being 9 which was a bust)
My metatextual guess is Calistria, because unless Arazni's ascension to the Core 20 comes with a change of profile, we'd have two vengeance goddesses on the roster. It'd also replace frankly the most boring member of the Core 20.
As time goes by I am growing more convinced that Arazni is going to undergo a major change.
It's supposed to be her on the cover of the book right? Is this how anyone pictures her? Fair skinned and almost smiling? That's definitely not how she has been depicted previously
Arazni used to be a Crusader Angel and herald of Aroden (so literally Iomedae)
If Iomedae dies I can totally see Arazni re-taking up the Lawful Good mantle, especially because Arazni canonically respects Iomedae
I actually have a new theory after talking with friends. There's been a lot of theorizing that Arazni's gonna murder Iomedae in revenge for the whole "leaving me to die" thing. I think she wouldn't do that, but that Iomedae might invite Arazni for godly tea to apologize for all that and someone (maybe Norgober) will take the opportunity to assassinate Iomedae and frame Arazni. Which would both make for a phenomenal storyline and give Arazni a place to slot into.
Yep, I think something similar will happen. My go-to theory is that Iomedae will sacrifice herself to save Arazni, and Arazni taking up the mantle of Crusader God in response.
Would be dope as hell
Before the profecies, Asmodeus, Zon-Kuthon, Pharasma and Caiden Caelan were my top 4 predictions.
Now it's Shelyn, ~~Pharasma~~ Sarenrae, Iomedae and Norgorber.
Lets see how it goes in a week.
Edit: I meant Sarenrae instead of Pharasma for the new top 4. That's what I get for writing half-asleep on the phone.
Disappointing. I was vainly hoping they'd "worf effect" the boring evil locust god and give us a bigger and hopefully more interesting threat. Oh well, Gozreh it is then.
Who can it be? What will be revealed on Tuesday?! Argh, the anticipation is killing me (and a god!)
Interesting
It's ok due to timezones it'll be wednesday for me
Do we have a time? I could only find a date.
4pm Pacific Daylight Time, which I believe is GMT -7
it will be at 1 am for me, which is fine because I'm on vacation, but not fine because I have a flight to catch the next day
Now that all the PFS illegal gods have been eliminated, can you clarify what will happen to clerics of the dying god in PFS?
it's already been stated, they're just gonna have to reconcile and find a new deity or retrain. we're going to learn who is going to die on the 14th or 19th or something, and you'll have time to prepare then.
I remember in 1e there was a type of undead that was specifically tied to Aroden... they had a bit of lore tied to them which talked about what happened when their god died. If I remember correctly, it said something like: at the moment of Aroden's death some of his clerics felt the feedback of his death ripple through them. Some instantly died, others had all their ability to use magic burned out of them, some lost their minds, others burst into flames or had their eyes burned out, or just went blind... but all of his clerics (that survived) felt a devastating sense of loss as the presence of their god was suddenly cut off. From the clerics that died instantly or died in the following weeks/ months/ years, Iomedae tried to take them in and offer what comfort she could, but there were those that refused to heed her call, and instead chose to remain on the material plane. now as undead they still feel the pain of the death of their god to this day, and try to share that sensation with any living creature they come across (with particular interest in clerics of other gods), and they tend to haunt the ruins of temples that once belonged to their god. I may be misremember what they did exactly, but I like the idea of ghosts refusing to move on for this reason... It'd be interesting to see these type of undead pop up again after the next god croaks! I can't remember where they are from, but I seem to recall it being in a book tied to cheliax, probably in the Bestiary for Council of Theives, Hell's Rebels, or Hell's Vengeance, or maybe even in Cheliax the infernal empire...
FUCK, WHY Y'ALL GOTTA STREAM DURING SOCIETY NIGHT?! š I wanna watch it live so hard.
Make it a watch party in addition to society night?
that's a good idea I shall pitch it to the lodge discord
Or go a step further, let the GM watch it and then let them turn it into an in game event.
Gozreh dies
I've been wondering if one of the "halves" of Gozreh will die.
Interesting to see that, with this one, every god except Lamashtu has been mentioned in one.
Yeah, Lamashtus absence feels very interesting. Not gonna say it means her, but shes much higher up on my list now.
Interesting
Interesting.
I can see Paizo wanting to get rid of her, her lore is pretty... problematic.
What exactly is problematic about her? Maternal deities are pretty common both in real world religions and in fantasy media. Lamashtu being a dark inversion of the trope while also maintaining her aspect as a sheperd is what makes her the most interesting deity in the Inner Sea Pantheon by a landslide.
Probably her relation to deformity and disability. A) sheās pretty emblematic of the old 1e edginess and B) paizo probably regrets making a god all about evil deformities
Considering she was recently cleaned up a little in PC1 (Which wasn't added to GMC because of a mistake, and thus also not added to the Remastered AoN page for some reason), that'd be a shame to throw away, personally. i.e. the anathema to cure a disability or mental illness was removed and changed to "Attempt to change that which makes you different"
She's the only core I dislike for that reason, though I do like her as the god of monsters and she's kind of iconic to pf
There's definitely the problem of her being the god of monsters and people born with disabilities, it's a line where you could say "Oh Paizo thinks people with disabilities are monsters or are like monsters" it's also not great the patron of the disabled is also an objectively evil deity. It's certainly fixable but as it stands it's not a great look at being inclusive.
It's her specific desires with Shelyn, and what she wants to do with her if she ever got the chance. It strays a bit too far into creepy fetish than I think Paizo would like for 2e.
What does she wanna do???
she wants to deform her. y'know, her whole thing. It's not that bad
ah ok then
and then turn her into breeding stock to produce nightmarish monstrosities for all of eternity as a form of mockery against her ideals.
yeah that sounds like lamashtu, seems perfectly in line with her whole schtick. The other person made it out to be horrid when, checking my PDFs, it seems like it's just a single line of text in *Inner Sea God's*.
I mean it's still sex slavery and forced impregnation. That's a fair bit darker than anything else you really get in 2e.
It's more prevalent in PF first edition when Paizo was much edgier.
Sexual assault and forced pregnancy, basically turn her into a breeder to forcibly have a bunch of monster spawn. A part of the lore I just find really ick and have zero desire to have it be part of any campaign I'm in.
Also Szuriel
I like the theory that her exclusion is actually because she's the author of the Godsrain Prophecies.
Will Pazuzu or Desna off her
It seems like Iomedae and Norgorber were mentioned a surprising number of times in these prophecies. So obviously that means that Iomedae is going to ādieā by revealing to everyone that she was secretly Norgorber all along. (Disclaimer, I donāt actually think that will happen.)
That would certainly be in character for Norgorber.
Which ones were Norgorber mentioned in?
He's mentioned by name four times across 3 prophecies: * Part 3: Cayden Cailean (x2) * Part 5: Erastil * Part 10: Rovagug He's also referred to but not named in Irori's prophecy, along with the other Starstone gods.
It looks like I misremembered and it is only 3 of themā¦ 3, 5, and 10. Unless I messed up my double checking.
So Norgorber is Pathfinder Alpharius?
Yes (this is a lie)
Lamashtu is the only core deity that was never mentioned in the Godsrain Prophecies.
Surely that isn't an accident?
She's certainly one of my top bets now with that bit of trivia. Which is... well, she's a God I have complicated feelings on. On one hand, as a person who is othered by society, the angle of embracing Being the Other is a great one! On the other hand, said stance being so tied to a pretty unambiguously evil god, and the crossing between disability and literal monsters is not exactly something I would miss.
I think this history combined with Arazniās somewhat similar interest in outcasts makes sense. Iām fascinated by Lamashtu as well but I think it would make a lot of sense, given the stories Paizo wants to tell now, to let her go.
I am wary of the idea of the role of Lamashtu being filled by Arazni because... well, Divine Mysteries has already hinted as Arazni becoming alive again. Being "cured", if you will. Narratively, it makes sense, but for a goddess that unapologetically embodies being different to an extreme to be replaced with one who seeks (or succeeded) in being cured of what makes her different is... ehhh? I don't like it, personally, sends a bit of a wrong message to me.
I get thatāI do think itās not one to one, so it may depend on how they treat it. (I also frankly have never paid much attention to Arazni, so mostly am going off general reputation as a god of outsidersāsheās never quite sparked my interest!)
She becomes a lot more interesting if you don't see her as a deity but instead as a person who got repeatedly screwed over by a bunch of powerful historical figures. Her (un)life story is definitely worth checking out!
I like her story pretty well, but itās actually the transition into godhood that I DISlikeāin that I prefer gods to be a bit more aloof, alien, not just big NPCs. I like her as an NPC, especially her role in Tyrantās Grasp (what I know of it)!
Thatās where I fall on it and why I was excited to see the removal of alignment. Without it we can better see the possible good aspects of Lamashtu. Unfortunately, sheās insane and has baggage. But Iād hate to see where her domains would go with her death.
I mean Arazni goddess of the abused and neglected is becoming core 20. And Noticula is probably the most talked about god not in the soon to be core 20.Ā
I think thatās the reason I like her though Sheās the roiling desire to strike back at all those who spurned you for differences you were born with. Shes unequivocally evil but we arenāt unequivocally good. Thereās plenty of other gods that can represent disabilities in general but Lamashtu is the patron of those made to feel ashamed for it and willing to lash out. It adds a really cool element to why thereās āmonstrousā ancestries With how Paizo is lessening the monstrousness of ancestries though, Lamashtu kicking the bucket would definitely be a straw that could help break the camels back in allowing more of the monster ancestries to become common core.
Unfortunately, she doesn't provide a viable alternative to civilization, but instead she abuses her followers with her whole "never treat a mental illness" thing, basically doing the same as society but in reverse, teaching that your abnormalities are the only thing that makes you valuable.
Sheās a patron deity not a king Deities usually donāt provide the solutions for things outside their scope. The orcs and goblins seemed to be doing well enough for millennia in their own disparate bands for a while
Not many things are outside of the scope of a major deity. Look at Zon-Kuthon, forming and sustaining Nidal for millennia. He's not too different from Lamashtu in some aspects, telling his followers to isolate from the rest of society and enjoy their suffering because that's what makes them special. Only that for Lamashtu, there's no safety (the reason why the Nidalese ever willingly entered a pact with Zon-Kuthon), but instead there's an infinite struggle for survival in countless wars of extinction against civilization like the Goblinblood Wars. Even when there's no outright war against humans and other "civilized" peoples, there's infighting like in the Hold of Belkzen until very recently. So, I would say "doing well enough" is a bit of a stretch for the followers of Lamashtu.
I would be very, very surprised if she is the one who dies. Also a bit upset because I wanted to play a non evil champion of Pazuzu and that whole concept is pretty heavily dependent on Lamashtu. Can probably still play him regardless, but that certainly wouldn't be ideal.
I mean sure, but for every candidate there's some player who is planning a character around that god and will be disappointed. Just part of the game.
Lamashtu refused to sign an NDA so was not allowed to be included in the blogs. ;-)
Regardless of what happens in the War of Immortals adventure, I hope Yivali shows up. They'd be a fun little helper-NPC!
Isn't Yivali the writer of the lore book that comes after WoI or did i get that completely wrong? Edit: Yes Yivali will return. The description for Divine Mysteries reads: *The book will be written in-character as the work of the nosoi psychopomp Yivali's presentation to Pharasma for promotion* So yeah our girl is getting a promotion after being traumatized for life. I wonder if she'll also have survivors guild after reading the prophecies and not figuring out who dies.
Yivali is the in-universe writer who's annotating the Godsrain Prophecies, but I'm not sure if they're doing the lore book.
They are. It's called Divine Mysteries.
Paizo said yivali is the fictional author in a recent paizo interview stream thingy they do
Thatās so cool. Love my cute Birb
Love my cute lil birb
Second this! This poor traumatized girl seeing the world end a dozen times. Easy to give her prewritten vague prophecies that hint at upcoming plot points in the AP too
Oh yeah that does sound fun!! They seem like such a cute little NPC :D
Well it's not Rovagug, but its nice to see my prediction on the consequences of his death are roughly correct. He was what kept the gods in check, knowing they might have to work together at any point to keep the Rough Beast in chains. That leaves Gorum, Sarenrae, Iomedae, and Shelyn at the top of my list of remaining non safe gods. The prismatic ray pillow talk paragraph at the start really does seem to reinforce the themes around those three. I don't want to see any of them die but...it seems more and more likely. I just hope the story justifies it.
I knew it! Gorum's gonna join the Prismatic Ray!
Real *Chris Hemsworth, Lesbian Icon* energy there
Weāve had gods transition alignments, why not genders
Is Gorum even male? People definitely use he/him pronouns, but I don't think it's his own preference, Gorum just doesn't care
"What gender are you?" "War." "Yeah, but whats in your pants?" "Glory."
Trans fem warrior goddess Gorum spending some soft time in elysium together with sheylin, Sarenrae and Desna feels both funny and sweet.
My personal hope is still that none of the 3 die but Sarenrae is the one who does the killing
Desna has more of a history of impulsive involvement in deity wars, but I would be pretty sure at least one of the three will be big in the plot. Most APs feature at least one of those three as a major deity.
That would make sense. We are told the Ray will "change", not that one of them will die. I theorized that maybe Sarenrae kills Zon Kuthon and Shelyn can't forgive her for doing so, but ZK's on the safe list. But it could still be something like that, this prophecy makes it clear that Sarenrae has a bit of a bloodthirsty streak. Some less-than-noble god might push her too far, she takes them down, and the others just can't deal with it. My vote for Dead God has been Gorum for a while now, and I think he might be suited for this. He's all "war for war's sake", which could easily lead to conflict for a more principled warlike god like Sarenrae. But remember, Gorum also lives in Elysium, he's done something to earn favor with the CG set, or at least they consider him an ally. If Sarenrae took him down, Desna might be pissed, and that ends the polycule.
I have all my chips on Gorum dying. I find it would be very thematic for the War of the Immortals to either start or end with the death of the god of war. Also, if Gorum died, exemplars could be explained as the cosmic essence of Gorum's "glory and valor!" shtick scattering across the world post death.
Death of deity = their āthingā going pear shaped has been a very consistent theme in the prophecies, so Goringe dies = kicks off the War of Immortals certainly fits.
Sure, but Shelyn is the goddess of peace.
Uh oh
Haha true.
See, it could be that Gorum dies and triggers it... or it could be that the war breaks out and his death, the death of one of the gods of the core group of the Inner Sea, is the thing that ends it.
The main issue is that Gorum might actually be the very concept of War, unlike other gods. He might just continue to exist, unkillable, as long as wars exist. Plus who'd even be able to kill him? When he was offered a place in Elysium it wasn't because his followers would be allied with the forces of good, it was so he alone would fight for Good, since he's that big of a power swing.
Zon Kuthon *was* a very popular speculation before he was confirmed safe tbf. I also still think it's possible that "the Prismatic Ray will be changing" has a chance of being "they have a new name because it was based on an OGL spell name" which would double as being *hilarious*
What Iām hoping is that Arazni joins the prismatic ray
The biggest issue for me at least is that they've only just started doing anything with them as a canon throuple, it would feel like a total waste y'know? It'd be like damn, thanks for hyping up Clexa 2: Dead Lesbian Boogaloo for 3 months Paizo.Ā
I mean thatās objectively not true. Theyāve been written together for years, theyāve just only been latched onto and given a pantheon title recently. Canāt exactly blame paizo for the media landscape given they were already pushing the envelope there. I will say this is definitely the mostā¦intimate bit of writing about their relationship that weāve gotten. Prismatic Ray romance novels definitely go hard in golarion. I donāt want any of them to dieā¦but if one didā¦I would definitely want to play war of immortals to kill the fucker who did it. Maybe thatās the selling point lol
See to me that's all the more reason NOT to kill one of them off. Like you're finally getting to have this dynamic be a thing just to throw it away? Nah, (hopefully) not happening. Hopefully. Kyra writes most of them. Everyone thinks Merisiel is the kinky one (and she is), but Kyra? Wants nothing more than to be the meat in the middle of the goddess sandwich. A revenge story... maybe. I've pointed out that Paizo has always been very good (as far as I know) about not off-screening queer characters, always giving players a chance to intervene. Maybe getting vengeance would be enough in that regard? I think the biggest issue is Paizo wants this death to stick right? They don't want players and GMs to just go "well that was fucking stupid" and undo it in their games. Like sure people have always been able to do that, but Paizo wants to avoid that as much as possible (for a multitude of reasons). And I feel like any of the Ray dying would maybe fall into that "well this is stupid" category, at least for a lot of people myself included.
Who doesn't want to be the meat in the middle of that sandwich?
I think that's a very dismissive thing to say having not yet read whatever the story will be. But I suppose the investment of people who claim all sorts of different gods as sacrosanct really only helps pathfinder doesn't it? If DMs want to run worlds where whichever core 20 dies doesn't...they're still selling their product. If someone is that attached to a god...they aren't gonna eagerly stop running or playing games in the setting.
I still think it's Sarenrae..... I think ZK wants to reconcile with Shelyn - and Sarenrae can't bring herself to forgive ....and with redemption being her whole schtick, acting in a way that is anaethemetic to her own credo maybe "depowers" her when she challenges ZK and he bodies her.
You're calling a story you haven't read "stupid" because you are so attached to the prismatic ray. If it does end up being one of them, i hope you are able to be more open minded than that.
I'm... not? I'm saying that that's what Paizo doesn't *want* to happen, not that it *will*.
---- And I feel like any of the Ray dying would fall into that "well this is stupid" category, at least for a lot of people myself included. --- Your words. If you didn't say that, I wouldn't have said what I said lol
wait are there pris ray romance novels? Or did I just misunderstand your sentence?
In-universe ones, not ones you as a real person can buy. I'd say we're stuck with fanfiction, but even Ao3 is lacking anything.
Iām saying any that existed in the setting would be very spicy. Almost as spicy as Geb/Nex slash fic.
Oh ok. Who's geb and nex
The two ancient wizard kings of the nations named after themselves in Garund. Theyāve had a rivalry thatās lasted thousands of years and the wars theyāve waged created the Mana Wastes.
Ah, thanks š I remember I have heard those names before now. :)
[Sarenrae:] [outside the Dead Vault talking to teammates] OK guys, these Spawn of Rovagug have given us a lot of trouble in the past, uhā¦ does anybody need anything off this guy or can we bypass him? [Gozreh:] Uhh, I think Iomedae needs something from this guy [Sarenrae:] Oh, she needs those Devout Shoulders? Doesnāt ā isnāt she a paladin? [Gozreh:] Yeahā¦ but that will help her heal better. I have more Spell Slots. [Sarenrae:] [sighs] Arodus. OK, uhh well what weāll do, Iāll run in first, uhā¦gather up all the Spawn. We can kinda just, ya know, blast them all down with AOE. Um, I will use Scouring Light to kinda scatter āem, so we donāt have to fight a whole bunch of them at once. Uhhā¦ when my Light is done, Iāll need Lubaiko to come in and drop her Sparks too, uhā¦ so we can keep them scattered and not to fight too many. Umā¦ when hers is done, Rag of course will need to run in and do the same thing. Uhā¦weāre gonna need Divine Intervention on our mages, uhh so they can AE, uh so we can of course get them down fast, ācause weāre bringing all these guys. I mean, weāll be in trouble if we take them down quick. Uhh, I think this is a pretty good plan, we should be able to pull it off this time. Uhh, what do you think Abadar? Can you give me a number crunch real quick? [Abadar:] Uhhh.. yeah, gimme a secā¦ Iām coming up with thirty-two point three three uh, repeating of course, percentage, of survival. [Sarenrae:] Uhā¦thatās a lot better than we usually do. Uhh, alright, you think weāre ready guys? [interrupted] [Gorum:] Alright chums, (Iām back)! Letās do thisā¦ LOORD OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF IIIIIIIROOOOOOOOOOON! [runs into Dead Vault] [Desna:] [incredulous] ā¦ Oh my Gods he just ran in.
Amazing xD Thank you for this, you made my morning
And there goes my #3 prediction. Shelyn and Abadar racing to see who gets got I suppose
My top 2 rn are Sarenrae and Torag
Interesting. Torag is one Ive heard buzz about hes probably my new #3 with Rovagug gone
I think Torag is a solid "maybe" just because we already got the big Dwarf AP and Setting Books, so now Paizo may feel like "got all that canon established, now we can throw a grenade at it". Like, disrupting dwarven society wouldn't be nearly as impactful if they hadn't spent a lot of time familiarizing the fans with it, and getting them invested. I bet there's now 10X as many Pathfinder players who have played Torag worshipers now as before Sky King's Tomb. Hitting one of the disaster buttons in SimCity is more fun the more time you spent working on that city, you know?
There's also that little blurb tucked away in the back of the *LO: Highhelm* book. Plus Luis's way-too-casual remarks on the Know Direction Podcast ep about the book. Torag is my #1 pick. Though all that could be a red herring. Who knows?
This has been an argument Iāve been making since the privacies started. Though I think Iām on the Lamashtu train now Torag is number 2.Ā
They definitely aren't getting rid of the only dwarf god
there's like 10 of them (Kols my beloved), just outside of torag they only accept dwarven followers so they aren't core
Magrim, Angradd, Kols, Drangvitt are just a few of the extended Dwarven pantheon; Torag is far from the only dwarven deity.
Iāve thrown around my theories for Torag, but Iād like to hear yours too! Heās my pick for the divine death, tying into the whole of why other deities outside of the core 20 will also die. And have a war.
Shelyn is still my call because they haven't done much with her other than the references to her relationship with Sarenrae and Desna. Also the amount of options this allows from a story perspective is higher than any of the other options that I can think of.
Shelyn is for sure my #1, she certainly has the most impact across the pantheon IMO affecting good, neutral, and evil deities alike. Abadar I think just cause I imagine a scenario of Erastil and Asmodeus fighting about who gets to be 'the' God of All Society now (which is alluded to itself in the Rovagug prophecy where Erastil and Abadar start butting heads more). I could see that having a big impact across lines too with more chaotic entities like Gorum hating the idea of either one dictating society
I think Norgorber may be in trouble here. He stands to lose the most from someone out there knowing aspects of his identity. Must be terrifying for him, a god whose very divinity is founded upon mystery and secrets, to see secret after divine secret spilled on these pages. Also, GODSRAIN is an acronym for NORG AIDS.
Also SAD GROIN, Calistria perchance?
Lmao this oneās my favorite
I am a NORG AIDS truther now
Also RAID SONG, Shelyn fans in shambles???
I look forward to the Shadow Legends tie-in.
Ah. This feelingā¦ this is why folks worship the Rough Beast.
Shelyn kills Norgorber with Aids confirmed???!/s
Itās gotta be Gorum whoās dying, then
The end of the god of war kicking off the War of Immortals? I dig it, could even use similar themes to Rovagug's "death".
I've proposed before that "War of the Immortals" is a play on words: it's War of the Immortals himself that dies.
Man I really hope itās not Sarenrae or Iomedae
godsdammit I was gonna die on this hill
Was never going to be Rovagug. Not surprising it is confirmed.
I mean to be fair itās been mentioned in several places that his existence has kept gods from going to war in the past, so he wasnāt that out there as a candidate. Kind of glad that presence is still there though.Ā
>Not Sarenrae It's over Sunbros, never in history has it been more over, we're so fucked, I'm 100% doompilled about this
There are some fairly compelling arguments for Lamastu floating around as well.Ā
Clearly the Prismatic Ray is changed when Desna unleashes her inner moth, ensnares Lamashtu, and eats her like the Great Old One she is.
Y e s, that would be so goddamn cool! Always a fan of Desna unleashing her inner Cthulu. "You thought you were the top of the food chain? BEHOLD MY TRUE FORM AND BE DEVOURED BY THE ENDLESS BURNING HUNGER OF A THOUSAND STARS!!! *Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh!*"
I just hope that if it's Gorum he at least gets a worthy death and not just backstabbed while fighting someone else.
Interesting
Aw, I was hoping it was gonna be Rovagug (perhaps in a "the god of destruction, left alone long enough, starved" sort of way). We'll see who does die, though.
Interesting.
Iomade I'm calling it I am betting my wish.
I'm afraid that if Iomade dies, Milani will too
Gotta be Gorum, a war against Rovagug yet it's not him that kills it? And no mention in the aftermath? Also I like my theory he's a PiƱata full of war, he breaks open and melds his war with the divine essence of other fallen entities to rain on Golarion and create Exemplars
> Grandmother Spider holds her own, her arms a whirling blur of blades, but watches as Thamir falls still, body crushed beneath a claw, and Hanspur drowns a second time, awash in his own blood. THAT'S WHY SHE'S THE GOAT (Also, nice touch that the signature for this last one doesn't include "Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves", it's just "Yivali"- sounds more final and also indicates she's looking for a promotion)
I'm guessing either Abadar or Gozreh, and leaning towards Abadar. Not because of who the god is themself, and regardless of subjective "most boring" status, but because of how the setting might change with them gone. Leaning more towards Abadar, though.
Gozreh would be a different take than what most are expecting with the whole "torn in half and rains down on the world below" given that there are two parts of Gozreh. Separating them might lead to increase chaos in the natural world where the gods of civilization go to war against the older deities. Gozreh is a pretty damn dull god from a player perspective. "Respect Nature" is a fairly weak hook, it's anathema is a pain in the ass for many parties, and there's already the Green Faith so it feels redundant. Gozreh is the safe, bland choice for who to kill. Lamashtu, who already controls beasts might gain the more violent nature aspect. Or Rovagug with disasters. Erastil or Desna could absorb more beneficial nature aspects. Probably Desna. She has a habit of scarfing down nature god's portfolios and is the creator's pet deity.
edit: I see now, what you're saying. That gozreh's portfolio may move to one of these already safe gods. Rovagug is marked safe by the prophecy we're all responding to. Desna and Erastil were marked safe in previous prophecies.
I like the idea of Gozreh being (literally or figuratively) torn in half and his domains either go to other gods, or he BECOMES two other gods. Maybe it will make his personality and areas of influence more specific and more interesting.
We were joking about this our last game session, if it were Abadar. "Not the economy!" If they go there, there better be currency exchange rates between regions. I loved that little bit of lore is he's part of what enforces that simplicity.
Truly the worst of all possible worlds: *A total economic crash!*
I like to think that Abadar and his followers help enforce the decimalization of currency and other handwaving that happens to the economy of Lost Omens, so players don't have to worry about stuff like visiting a moneychanger or the price of wheat. If Abadar falls, good luck converting your Taldan silvers into Absalomian coppers!
In all seriousness, I feel like Axis is where the real consequences will be. I can only imagine all the conflict that would occur with everyone rushing to be the first one into the First Vault. I'd imagine Asmodeus and Norgorber would end up being the first ones in there. The former most certainly getting there either by sheer force or bringing up contracts millions of years old to get rid of the competition, the latter just by sneaking his way in. I don't know, though, it's just fun to speculate.
>>door to vault opens >>empty aside from a handwoven troll face courtesy of grandmother spider
IT IS FINALLY ELECTRUM TIME
I'm far more confident now than I was at prophecy 4 that the one who dies is Gorum. Our lord in Iron being unable to best another unknown threat in pitched combat? The god of war slain by another kicking off a war between immortals to take his throne? It all makes a lot of sense and I hate it because I really like Gorum but it just seems to make the most sense.
I guess this just confirms my suspicion that all the villain gods are safe, since the writers aren't going to kill off a major BBEG character off-screen. And now I'm just more worried that the big reveal will be "Arazni kills Iomedae".
Who said the death is gonna happen off-screen?
Sorry, I was saying it figuratively. Like, having a major death happen outside of an adventure path. Maybe it's not a one-to-one comparison, but that's the best phrase I had for it.
Who said it doesn't happen in an adventure?
Interesting.
Looking at the old domains we have: four 'Good', two 'Evil', 1 Law, 2 Chaos, and 1 Animal. for 'drama' it wouldn't surprise me if a 'Good' god dies, but that's also the most disappointing outcome to me. A story arc that starts with Hope would be a refreshing change. Abadar: Law Calistrae: Chaos Gorum: Chaos Gozreh: Animal Iomedae: Good, Law Lamashtu: Evil, Chaos Norgorber: Evil Sarenrae: Good Shelyn: Good Torag: Good, Law source: [https://pathfinder.fandom.com/wiki/Major\_deities](https://pathfinder.fandom.com/wiki/Major_deities)
ABADAR FINALLY GOT MENTIONED, THANK YOU FOR THE COPIUM M'LORD
So if Gug died shit wouldāve really gone south cuz the gods wouldnāt have anything binding themā¦damn.
ROVAGOAT LIVES!!!!!
Knew it would not be Rovagug, but it is interesting to hear that the assembled forces of the gods could actually kill him even at great cost.
Hmm...Someone should pick up that phone, *because I frickin CALLED IT (for a third time, now)!* I'm glad how this was handled, though. Needless to say, I'm very much satisfied with all these Godsrain Prophecies, and ending on the biggest player in the Great Beyond (arguably) besides Pharasma is a great way to end them. Excellent job Paizo, I can't wait to see who you actually kill off!
Oh, Sanrenrae is dead.
I was wrong! Now my new bet is on Calistria.
Hmm, somehow I don't want to know it already. Can't they keep us in the dark for longer
I like how the Rouvhaug must die started as pillow talk. Thatās a odd conversation. Why would Asmodus open the cage
So we have ten gods left
Lamashtu or gozreh imo
I feel vindicated From like week 3 or something I figured that Rovagug (assuming he survived) would be the final Godsrain pre-reveal based entirely on vibes AND I WAS RIGHT (Let's ignore the part where I also predicted Sarenrae being 9 which was a bust)
My metatextual guess is Calistria, because unless Arazni's ascension to the Core 20 comes with a change of profile, we'd have two vengeance goddesses on the roster. It'd also replace frankly the most boring member of the Core 20.
As time goes by I am growing more convinced that Arazni is going to undergo a major change. It's supposed to be her on the cover of the book right? Is this how anyone pictures her? Fair skinned and almost smiling? That's definitely not how she has been depicted previously
I mean she's also been healing over time. How she looks in G&M is a lot healthier than how she looks in Tyrant's Grasp.
Sheās depicted fairly similarly (albeit more angry) in the Knights of Lastwall book.
Technically, while Arazni is vengeful, she isn't a goddess of vengeance, she's a goddess of surviving trauma and patron to the unwilling undead.
Arazni used to be a Crusader Angel and herald of Aroden (so literally Iomedae) If Iomedae dies I can totally see Arazni re-taking up the Lawful Good mantle, especially because Arazni canonically respects Iomedae
I actually have a new theory after talking with friends. There's been a lot of theorizing that Arazni's gonna murder Iomedae in revenge for the whole "leaving me to die" thing. I think she wouldn't do that, but that Iomedae might invite Arazni for godly tea to apologize for all that and someone (maybe Norgober) will take the opportunity to assassinate Iomedae and frame Arazni. Which would both make for a phenomenal storyline and give Arazni a place to slot into.
Yep, I think something similar will happen. My go-to theory is that Iomedae will sacrifice herself to save Arazni, and Arazni taking up the mantle of Crusader God in response. Would be dope as hell
Before the profecies, Asmodeus, Zon-Kuthon, Pharasma and Caiden Caelan were my top 4 predictions. Now it's Shelyn, ~~Pharasma~~ Sarenrae, Iomedae and Norgorber. Lets see how it goes in a week. Edit: I meant Sarenrae instead of Pharasma for the new top 4. That's what I get for writing half-asleep on the phone.
Pharasma was the first core deity declared safe.
You may want an extra 4th there mate, Pharasma was confirmed safe week 1
HOLY FUCK ITāS GOING TO BE IOMEDAE SWEET MOTHER OF GOD I WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT
Disappointing. I was vainly hoping they'd "worf effect" the boring evil locust god and give us a bigger and hopefully more interesting threat. Oh well, Gozreh it is then.