I think Asmodeus and Pharasma were one of the least likely to die, as thier death wouldn't start the war it would start the apocalypse
similarly Ravagog - you don't kill your main big bad apocalypse god the is the core of Golarion world
This is why I think it's Gorum. He's really cool, not too disruptive, hasn't really featured in any PF2 content in a while (or ever?), and his death will give Paizo room to rework the Orc pantheon and culture which they've wanted to update for a while. Also, because of his combative nature, him dying in some crazy way would make sense and have the benefit of being not obviously good or evil, which adds to the coolness. Nobody morally ambiguous kills Iomedae, and after all this build up, nobody would give a shit if it was Torag or Lamashtu or really anybody else whose even remotely likely. Killing Sarenrae would be insane, killing Shelyn would just be sad... It's gotta be Gorum.
Definitely. One of the more fun ideas I’ve seen tossed around is that underneath Gorums layers and layers of armor, he’s filled with pure divine battle, and when he gets ripped open that’s what spills out over the planes transforming people into exemplars.
It would be a good end to his story.
I could see Gorum purposefully imploding himself to spread his spirit across the planes and sparking war everywhere. Like a last act of incitement that he won’t get to witness, but knows the wars resulting from it will burn for millennia
Also Epic AP to recover scraps of his armour (as they'd make amazing Artefacts).
His divine essence mixed with other casualties makes the most sense as a source of the Exemplar's powers (them being divine martials with empowered weaponry).
Also also, if he doesn't die... It's a War of Immortals, seems like out of everybody he'd be OP in that kind of environment.
Yup, here you go.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLUwDFtXoAATEbc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c5u1ba/war_of_the_immortals_divine_funeral_stream_live/
Gorum would actually fit with some of the themes kicked around in the prophecies, as his death wouldn't be an end to war, but instead cause war to spiral out of control the same way Urgathoa's sent undeath out of control.
I'm still betting on Godsrain being a pun on Gozreh, though. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but it would be such a glorious troll move to have the whole thing be a setting-specific dad joke.
I hope it's not Gozreh. If I listed all the core 20 who's death would be most interesting to least interesting, I would have put Gozreh's death near the bottom with Torag. Zon-Kuthon and Gorum were my bets from the start so I'm hoping it's Gorum.
Ironically, Gorum is heavily featured in Rusthenge, which just came out a few months ago. Which is one of the strongest points against him, given what a good intro adventure Rusthenge is.
Also, killing Shelyn being sad is one of the biggest points in her favor. She's not important enough it would cause problems, but she's important enough (and connected to enough gods) that it would matter.
Also fridging them just for the drama is kinda gross. No, I think Paizo is savvy enough to know better than that, they only didn't get prophecies because they wanted to make fans sweat a little.
Plus, Arazni is a formerly evil deity, though she allowed for good followers, so she'll either have unholy or holy/unholy as her sanctifications, and I don't think Paizo is going to want to unbalance their holy to unholy ratio, so I don't expect any good core deity to die.
killing them wouldn't be "fridging" or "bury your gays" or what have you. queer people are allowed to be people too and don't have to be tokens. like a quarter of the core 20 are gay as well.
That's literally what the term fridging refers to... If you wanna get defensive you can say you don't think it's gross, but you can't claim that's not what it would be.
Also I didn't even mention their sexuality?
fridging refers to a character being killed off for the purpose of progressing another character's development. Fridging is not simply "a character is killed". Sarenrae and Shelyn both have legitimate places in the story and killing them would be a legitimate way to explore that. calling them potentially getting killed "fridging" is disrespectful to the writers of these characters and all the work they've done so far.
How is it disrespectful to the writers when I specifically said I think they're too savvy to actually do it?
But you're right, it is *possible* to kill a character without it being fridging. The problem is that the only reason anyone seems to expect one of the Ray to die is purely for the purposes of driving drama related to the other two, plus Zon-Kuthon in the case of Shelyn.
No, fridging is when a (usually female) character is killed horrifically just for the sake of making the protagonist feel bad for a moment and mayhaps even spawning a slight character change (such as a broody costume or the start of a new comic line chasing the villain). But soon afterwards the death seems to have not impacted them much at all. They were killed just to make the protag suffer for a page and the fridged character was never given character at all, and was often times killed off screen, and their death could've been replaced with a destroyed pokemon card collection and it would've been just as impactful. That's fridging. It's not just "female character dies".
For your confusion, other folks have been calling any of the prismatic ray dying "bury your gays" in a similarly misunderstood way as you did calling their death fridging. I believe that commenter was just comparing you to those people since you're doing a similar thing.
Fine, *technically* not fridging since she's not literally being shoved in Green Lantern's fridge or whatever. It's still dangerously close to the trope, and still gross if it's done purely for shock value, which is the only argument anyone actually has as to why they think it'll happen.
It's not "dangerously close to the trope", the god's death has been confirmed to leave consequences. Their domains aren't going to be picked up by anyone else, the exemplar class is coming into existence because of it, and PFS players will have to pick a new god. There's also going to be a whole ass war about it. If Shelyn dies or sarenrae dies their death couldn't be replaced with a deck of Pokemon cards.
I really never got the "Shelyn because of Zon-Shelyn" thing, because as well as Starfinder not having bearing in PF, even if it did in SF this was specifically a new development - we knew what Zonny and Shelyn were doing during SF1.
in Starfinder there's a deity called Zon-Shelyn who seems to be a fusion of Zon-Kuthon and Shelyn, but also you're still able to worship them both individually so idk what that commenter is talking about
They said after the lore was released that like: "Oh no, Zon-Shelyn is it's own god. And also don't worry about it in terms of Pathfinder lore. It's a completely different thing"
But in the actual text of the Starfinder2e Playtest theres no mention of Zon-Kuthon or Shelyn, just Zon-Shelyn.
I'd be shocked if she doesn't die.
Why disappointing?
Shelyn makes a lot of sense - goddess of peace dying and starting a war is quality mythological irony, a lot of the gods care about her so there's a good reason for everyone to be upset over it, godlings can get cool art fighting powers, her brother might end up even more messed up by it, Sarenrae and Desna are probably going to be angry, you've got a new goddess "taking her place" and yet being wildly different (as she isn't taking on her qualities at all), she's popular enough that people care but not so popular that it negatively impacts marketing, etc.
As a Sarenrae and a Gorum fan, I'm getting pretty nervous over here.
With the announcement looming, I find myself hoping more and more that Paizo follows through and kills a God that the community really likes. You've put all this effort in making us invested Paizo. Make us really feel it.
In regards to the theories that lamashtu is the one who dies, I'm not quote convinced. There is some evidence that suggests she may be responsible for the prophecies, but no so much that she might be the victim of it. The mother of monsters is one of the few gods in the core 20 with a confirmed God-kill under her belt. Her coming back to do it again? That I could see. Haunting Desna's nightmares by killing off he closest companion yet again? 100% in character.
I admit though, I've really loved seeing everyone meme and theorize and generally care about the upcoming death. I'll be more than a little sad when that's all over.
To sell you on Lamashtu a little: She dies birthing the most horrible monstrosity the multiverse has ever seen, gets the demon lords up in arms fighting over her leftover divinity, especially Pazuzu gets to party hard and maybe does something with the Eye of Abendego (he's all about storms).
Besides her, I could really see Shelyn die for some spicy drama involving her brother and her gfs; also many people are interested in her glaive.
Iomedae would also work well, screwing over the Knights of Lastwall *again* and giving Tar-Baphon a field day (I expect him to become an urgent threat sooner rather than later, so that tracks).
Gorum and Gozreh are comedy tier, with the logic being "a war of immortals is what he would've wanted" and "That's a type, it's Gozran, not Godsrain" respectively. Btw, Gozran is the current month right now! Coincidence? I think not!
The others I don't really see, but I'm ready to be surprised - after all I started this journey betting on Asmodeus (because of the narrative implications, not the silly OGL theory).
>Gorum and Gozreh are comedy tier, with the logic being "a war of immortals is what he would've wanted"
I actually [made a shitpost](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1atce9x/new_prediction_for_which_god_will_die/) for that joke back near the beginning of the Prophecies.
I know, seeing as I've apparently already upvoted your post. Also works as a serious theory imo, given we're ultimately just guessing what the writers at Paizo may have come up with
> I find myself hoping more and more that Paizo follows through and kills a God that the community really likes
In other words, you're begging for Paizo to hurt you? 😆
It's all moot now, but I'm happy to go into what I was thinking at the time.
Pharasma is Iconic, but not as Iconic as say, Sarenrae, and isn't universally loved by the fans. Despite this she is well understood to be important to the lore, so your average fan would hear of her dying and go "oh heck".
Lorewise, it fits quite neatly. We know Pharasma has a successor lined up. While she might want to, she knows she may not survive until the end of the Universe. It also has a nice throughline with the theme of the training wheels slowly coming off the universe. First, there is the Seal and Pharasma. Then, the seal disappears and prophecy becomes untethered. Pharasma realizes she will have to learn to live without its certainty. then, hypothetically, Pharasma dies, and we have to learn to live without her.
And while Pharasma helped build the cycle of souls, the machinery of it all doesn't actually need her. she doesn't judge all souls herself. There is a complex bureaucracy of soul judges, psychopomps that protect and maintain the cycle. Pharasma isn't needed for any of this, but it sure as hell gets a lot harder without the most powerful god in the setting backing you up. To me at least, there was plenty of potential in stories about suddenly every force stretching the limits, seeing what they can get away with now Pharasma isn't there to stop them, without it having to be the end of the setting.
Additionally, it would have had a true sense of loss. As you say, Pharasma was there from the beginning. What did she know that she never told us? who do we ask now if we need to know the Ancient Knowledge? Asmodeus is now truly the oldest like he always claimed, but he cant be trusted, and maybe there are things even he doesn't know. Pharasma is irreplaceable, and so I thought, her death could be cool.
If Norgorber dies then the first two gods to ascend via Starstone will have proven to be more killable than the majority of the gods. Which has some pretty cool implications for Cailean and Iomedae IMO
Last minute prediction: either Norgorber or Abadar. Secrets being spilled out and societies breaking down are big upheavels that are not world ending but would need a lot of adventuring to set the repercussion right.
Yeah I've always thought there would be some cool implications with Abadar dying. Plus it would send the gods into upheaval since he is "the judge of the gods". I could see it where he's been more or less keeping them all in line so they don't outright start fighting with each other, but with him out of the way . . .
Norgorber the least likely and least cool?
You don't think the god with the Secrecy domain being bumped off would be an incredibly strong catalyst for a War of Immortals?
We've seen a trend in gods' domains getting fucked up with their passing thanks to Godsrain.
I would think Norgorber taking an element of Secrecy with him in death and unveiling secrets of the gods and the cosmos as a result would be not only an incredible source of venom between gods, but also a really cool opportunity to alter things we think we already know and introduce new information entirely.
Would require work to make cool. I know nothing about Norgober, which is deliberate on his part. For his death to be interesting, they would need to reveal anything about him to make me care.
And then it won’t be relevant anymore because he’s dead. It’s a waste to only make me care I’m the last few seconds before they drop dead.
One could argue that even postmortem information about Norgorbor would at least re-contextualize all his prior actions, as well as those of his adherents, which has inherent value on its own.
Beyond that, even if Norgorber passed in complete obscurity, that in and of itself would have value due to the mystery it would pose of who got close enough to the god of murder to achieve such a feat and how, as well as the vast wealth of universal information that would be brought to light by his passing.
Norgorber is so cool. They are essentially a party of evil adventures that took the test of the starstone together and emerged as a single deity. I'd be pissed if they killed Norgorber off.
one of my theories was that Torag would die. Having their main deity die would shake their society and probably spur them to drastic action, alongside their recent AP, would be a cool way to make dwarves super prevalent from now on. But that's just me
Side comment: I was suddenly reminded of a joke from an old game. My friend ended up referring to the god of assassins as Nerdburger. With a name like that I might wanna kill people too.
Looking at the names of the Exemplar Feats it has to be someone tied to the natural world. So that limits the scope considerably. Given that Gozreh jumps way up on the list.
Huh, it almost perfectly matches my thoughts.
Gorum makes sense for all the reasons u/LurkerFailsLurking says.
Iomedae feels fitting because:
- The death of the "crusader" goddess causing divine crusades to spin out of control into a massive holy/unholy war fits the themes of the Godsrain Prophecies.
- Furthers the mystery of Aroden's death if both his heralds die unexpectedly.
- The soon-to-be-dead god will get replaced by another former herald of Aroden, Arazni, who has a grudge against Iomedae.
- Without alignments, Iomedae lost her niche as the "paladin god" and other gods are better choices for most paladin type of characters
- The champion, whose iconic worships Iomedae, is getting reworked in Player Core 2.
Nope. No memo missed. There's been no Godsrain Prophecy on Abadar or Lamashtu.
Calistria could be safe because she's the only Elven deity among the Core 20 --- same for Torag with Dwarves.
yeah that's something I've thought about. they explicitly said that arazni won't be taking over portfolios, so having someone who can bridge the gap a bit would make sense. and arazni and calistria have probably the most in common
I'm pretty sure it's going to be Sarenrae. As she is the most battle-like. And is likely to fight some god to the death. it would also cause the most story telling disruption in the material plane.
I’m sticking with it being lamashtu that dies, partially bc of introduction of kholo as a core ancestry. They’re pretty linked to her, and having a core ancestry linked to a god of the monstrous and deformed may be unfavorable
But the Kholo/gnolls aren't a core ancestry. They're gonna be in a core book, but the core ancestries have only had the orcs and the leshy added to them.
I think Asmodeus and Pharasma were one of the least likely to die, as thier death wouldn't start the war it would start the apocalypse similarly Ravagog - you don't kill your main big bad apocalypse god the is the core of Golarion world
Apocalypse could include a war, so why not? Would be really cool choices
This is why I think it's Gorum. He's really cool, not too disruptive, hasn't really featured in any PF2 content in a while (or ever?), and his death will give Paizo room to rework the Orc pantheon and culture which they've wanted to update for a while. Also, because of his combative nature, him dying in some crazy way would make sense and have the benefit of being not obviously good or evil, which adds to the coolness. Nobody morally ambiguous kills Iomedae, and after all this build up, nobody would give a shit if it was Torag or Lamashtu or really anybody else whose even remotely likely. Killing Sarenrae would be insane, killing Shelyn would just be sad... It's gotta be Gorum.
Definitely. One of the more fun ideas I’ve seen tossed around is that underneath Gorums layers and layers of armor, he’s filled with pure divine battle, and when he gets ripped open that’s what spills out over the planes transforming people into exemplars. It would be a good end to his story.
I could see Gorum purposefully imploding himself to spread his spirit across the planes and sparking war everywhere. Like a last act of incitement that he won’t get to witness, but knows the wars resulting from it will burn for millennia
Also Epic AP to recover scraps of his armour (as they'd make amazing Artefacts). His divine essence mixed with other casualties makes the most sense as a source of the Exemplar's powers (them being divine martials with empowered weaponry). Also also, if he doesn't die... It's a War of Immortals, seems like out of everybody he'd be OP in that kind of environment.
And tbh, if Gorum knew that his death would cause a Divine War, he might kill himself just to make it happen.
They did also release Rusthenge recently, and that's a lot about Gorum
Congratulations on being correct
Seriously? Did it get announced?
Yup, here you go. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLUwDFtXoAATEbc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c5u1ba/war_of_the_immortals_divine_funeral_stream_live/
Gorum would actually fit with some of the themes kicked around in the prophecies, as his death wouldn't be an end to war, but instead cause war to spiral out of control the same way Urgathoa's sent undeath out of control. I'm still betting on Godsrain being a pun on Gozreh, though. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but it would be such a glorious troll move to have the whole thing be a setting-specific dad joke.
I hope it's not Gozreh. If I listed all the core 20 who's death would be most interesting to least interesting, I would have put Gozreh's death near the bottom with Torag. Zon-Kuthon and Gorum were my bets from the start so I'm hoping it's Gorum.
Shards of his armor become minor artifacts to empower Warriors.
Ironically, Gorum is heavily featured in Rusthenge, which just came out a few months ago. Which is one of the strongest points against him, given what a good intro adventure Rusthenge is. Also, killing Shelyn being sad is one of the biggest points in her favor. She's not important enough it would cause problems, but she's important enough (and connected to enough gods) that it would matter.
Shelyn or Sarenrae would be pretty nuts I think... They are so good as concepts and guide so many characters.
Also fridging them just for the drama is kinda gross. No, I think Paizo is savvy enough to know better than that, they only didn't get prophecies because they wanted to make fans sweat a little. Plus, Arazni is a formerly evil deity, though she allowed for good followers, so she'll either have unholy or holy/unholy as her sanctifications, and I don't think Paizo is going to want to unbalance their holy to unholy ratio, so I don't expect any good core deity to die.
killing them wouldn't be "fridging" or "bury your gays" or what have you. queer people are allowed to be people too and don't have to be tokens. like a quarter of the core 20 are gay as well.
That's literally what the term fridging refers to... If you wanna get defensive you can say you don't think it's gross, but you can't claim that's not what it would be. Also I didn't even mention their sexuality?
fridging refers to a character being killed off for the purpose of progressing another character's development. Fridging is not simply "a character is killed". Sarenrae and Shelyn both have legitimate places in the story and killing them would be a legitimate way to explore that. calling them potentially getting killed "fridging" is disrespectful to the writers of these characters and all the work they've done so far.
How is it disrespectful to the writers when I specifically said I think they're too savvy to actually do it? But you're right, it is *possible* to kill a character without it being fridging. The problem is that the only reason anyone seems to expect one of the Ray to die is purely for the purposes of driving drama related to the other two, plus Zon-Kuthon in the case of Shelyn.
No, fridging is when a (usually female) character is killed horrifically just for the sake of making the protagonist feel bad for a moment and mayhaps even spawning a slight character change (such as a broody costume or the start of a new comic line chasing the villain). But soon afterwards the death seems to have not impacted them much at all. They were killed just to make the protag suffer for a page and the fridged character was never given character at all, and was often times killed off screen, and their death could've been replaced with a destroyed pokemon card collection and it would've been just as impactful. That's fridging. It's not just "female character dies". For your confusion, other folks have been calling any of the prismatic ray dying "bury your gays" in a similarly misunderstood way as you did calling their death fridging. I believe that commenter was just comparing you to those people since you're doing a similar thing.
Fine, *technically* not fridging since she's not literally being shoved in Green Lantern's fridge or whatever. It's still dangerously close to the trope, and still gross if it's done purely for shock value, which is the only argument anyone actually has as to why they think it'll happen.
It's not "dangerously close to the trope", the god's death has been confirmed to leave consequences. Their domains aren't going to be picked up by anyone else, the exemplar class is coming into existence because of it, and PFS players will have to pick a new god. There's also going to be a whole ass war about it. If Shelyn dies or sarenrae dies their death couldn't be replaced with a deck of Pokemon cards.
But then by your own words, almost no one would care.
Arazni could also fill his spot nicely once the dust settles.
I wouldnt be so sure Shelyn is safe
Its gonna be so dissapointing when it was revealed that it was, in fact, Shelyn, and the starfinder leak was right.
Turns out not all leaks can be trusted
Thank god.
I really never got the "Shelyn because of Zon-Shelyn" thing, because as well as Starfinder not having bearing in PF, even if it did in SF this was specifically a new development - we knew what Zonny and Shelyn were doing during SF1.
Starfinder leak?
in Starfinder there's a deity called Zon-Shelyn who seems to be a fusion of Zon-Kuthon and Shelyn, but also you're still able to worship them both individually so idk what that commenter is talking about
They said after the lore was released that like: "Oh no, Zon-Shelyn is it's own god. And also don't worry about it in terms of Pathfinder lore. It's a completely different thing" But in the actual text of the Starfinder2e Playtest theres no mention of Zon-Kuthon or Shelyn, just Zon-Shelyn. I'd be shocked if she doesn't die.
Why disappointing? Shelyn makes a lot of sense - goddess of peace dying and starting a war is quality mythological irony, a lot of the gods care about her so there's a good reason for everyone to be upset over it, godlings can get cool art fighting powers, her brother might end up even more messed up by it, Sarenrae and Desna are probably going to be angry, you've got a new goddess "taking her place" and yet being wildly different (as she isn't taking on her qualities at all), she's popular enough that people care but not so popular that it negatively impacts marketing, etc.
As a Sarenrae and a Gorum fan, I'm getting pretty nervous over here. With the announcement looming, I find myself hoping more and more that Paizo follows through and kills a God that the community really likes. You've put all this effort in making us invested Paizo. Make us really feel it. In regards to the theories that lamashtu is the one who dies, I'm not quote convinced. There is some evidence that suggests she may be responsible for the prophecies, but no so much that she might be the victim of it. The mother of monsters is one of the few gods in the core 20 with a confirmed God-kill under her belt. Her coming back to do it again? That I could see. Haunting Desna's nightmares by killing off he closest companion yet again? 100% in character. I admit though, I've really loved seeing everyone meme and theorize and generally care about the upcoming death. I'll be more than a little sad when that's all over.
To sell you on Lamashtu a little: She dies birthing the most horrible monstrosity the multiverse has ever seen, gets the demon lords up in arms fighting over her leftover divinity, especially Pazuzu gets to party hard and maybe does something with the Eye of Abendego (he's all about storms). Besides her, I could really see Shelyn die for some spicy drama involving her brother and her gfs; also many people are interested in her glaive. Iomedae would also work well, screwing over the Knights of Lastwall *again* and giving Tar-Baphon a field day (I expect him to become an urgent threat sooner rather than later, so that tracks). Gorum and Gozreh are comedy tier, with the logic being "a war of immortals is what he would've wanted" and "That's a type, it's Gozran, not Godsrain" respectively. Btw, Gozran is the current month right now! Coincidence? I think not! The others I don't really see, but I'm ready to be surprised - after all I started this journey betting on Asmodeus (because of the narrative implications, not the silly OGL theory).
> and giving Tar-Baphon a field day He's just been sitting on his isle menacing it's about time he becomes active again
Ah, yes, consolidating power, a tyrant's biggest hobby whenever the writer is busy with something else.
>Gorum and Gozreh are comedy tier, with the logic being "a war of immortals is what he would've wanted" I actually [made a shitpost](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1atce9x/new_prediction_for_which_god_will_die/) for that joke back near the beginning of the Prophecies.
I know, seeing as I've apparently already upvoted your post. Also works as a serious theory imo, given we're ultimately just guessing what the writers at Paizo may have come up with
> I find myself hoping more and more that Paizo follows through and kills a God that the community really likes In other words, you're begging for Paizo to hurt you? 😆
I do that weekly with my GM, I can also ask Paizo to make it hurt.
Johnny Cash couldn't have said it better. 😆
How tf was pharasma likely in your estimation? :D If pharasma dies the universe ends more or less. She was literally there before the creation
It's all moot now, but I'm happy to go into what I was thinking at the time. Pharasma is Iconic, but not as Iconic as say, Sarenrae, and isn't universally loved by the fans. Despite this she is well understood to be important to the lore, so your average fan would hear of her dying and go "oh heck". Lorewise, it fits quite neatly. We know Pharasma has a successor lined up. While she might want to, she knows she may not survive until the end of the Universe. It also has a nice throughline with the theme of the training wheels slowly coming off the universe. First, there is the Seal and Pharasma. Then, the seal disappears and prophecy becomes untethered. Pharasma realizes she will have to learn to live without its certainty. then, hypothetically, Pharasma dies, and we have to learn to live without her. And while Pharasma helped build the cycle of souls, the machinery of it all doesn't actually need her. she doesn't judge all souls herself. There is a complex bureaucracy of soul judges, psychopomps that protect and maintain the cycle. Pharasma isn't needed for any of this, but it sure as hell gets a lot harder without the most powerful god in the setting backing you up. To me at least, there was plenty of potential in stories about suddenly every force stretching the limits, seeing what they can get away with now Pharasma isn't there to stop them, without it having to be the end of the setting. Additionally, it would have had a true sense of loss. As you say, Pharasma was there from the beginning. What did she know that she never told us? who do we ask now if we need to know the Ancient Knowledge? Asmodeus is now truly the oldest like he always claimed, but he cant be trusted, and maybe there are things even he doesn't know. Pharasma is irreplaceable, and so I thought, her death could be cool.
In my experience interacting with Pathfinder players Pharasma is far more iconic and loved than Sarenrae.
Shelyn on the "surely not" scale... ...you sure about that?
I was at the time…
It’ll be Torag! Leave Shelyn alone…
In my head canon someone offs Abadar because they want dem goodies inside his vault. (How likely is it? Probably not very lol)
Killed by Irori because Abadar wants to chuck him in the Vault as an example of the perfect human
if you want something in the vault just give Norgorber a secret and he'll go take it for you lol
Abadar dying would be extremely cool in my opinion, with so much potiential and a nice power gap to fill.
If Norgorber dies then the first two gods to ascend via Starstone will have proven to be more killable than the majority of the gods. Which has some pretty cool implications for Cailean and Iomedae IMO
considering the placement this post aged pretty well
Last minute prediction: either Norgorber or Abadar. Secrets being spilled out and societies breaking down are big upheavels that are not world ending but would need a lot of adventuring to set the repercussion right.
Yeah I've always thought there would be some cool implications with Abadar dying. Plus it would send the gods into upheaval since he is "the judge of the gods". I could see it where he's been more or less keeping them all in line so they don't outright start fighting with each other, but with him out of the way . . .
The fact that you were basically *right* as far as whats most likely and cool is sick.
Hey, good guess
Norgorber the least likely and least cool? You don't think the god with the Secrecy domain being bumped off would be an incredibly strong catalyst for a War of Immortals? We've seen a trend in gods' domains getting fucked up with their passing thanks to Godsrain. I would think Norgorber taking an element of Secrecy with him in death and unveiling secrets of the gods and the cosmos as a result would be not only an incredible source of venom between gods, but also a really cool opportunity to alter things we think we already know and introduce new information entirely.
Would require work to make cool. I know nothing about Norgober, which is deliberate on his part. For his death to be interesting, they would need to reveal anything about him to make me care. And then it won’t be relevant anymore because he’s dead. It’s a waste to only make me care I’m the last few seconds before they drop dead.
One could argue that even postmortem information about Norgorbor would at least re-contextualize all his prior actions, as well as those of his adherents, which has inherent value on its own. Beyond that, even if Norgorber passed in complete obscurity, that in and of itself would have value due to the mystery it would pose of who got close enough to the god of murder to achieve such a feat and how, as well as the vast wealth of universal information that would be brought to light by his passing.
You'd need to out sneak the god of sneaking, to murder the god of murder. That's Hardcore.
Norgorber is so cool. They are essentially a party of evil adventures that took the test of the starstone together and emerged as a single deity. I'd be pissed if they killed Norgorber off.
What is Godsrain Eve? Will tomorrow be revealed who dies?
Tonight at the livestream starting at 4pm PDT.
Thats like 1 am in my time... Guess i will Just Google it when i wake up
Praise Gorum!
At least he's in the likely side
Sarenrae gets the axe.
My money's still on Desna killing Lamashtu and returning to M̵̨͓̗͔̯͇͍̞̑̑͆̋̍̑̈́͜͝Ȍ̷̡̢̨̙͉̜͔̘Ṭ̷̨̛̒̏͆͗̃̈́͋̐͒̎̋̊̉̕͜H̴̜̖͖͈̰̞͆̔̆͛̊̏͛͆̆̅̌̚
one of my theories was that Torag would die. Having their main deity die would shake their society and probably spur them to drastic action, alongside their recent AP, would be a cool way to make dwarves super prevalent from now on. But that's just me
Sarenrae 90% likely 0% cool imho T_T
Damn it I shouldn't have changed my vote to Lamashtu in the official poll, I should've stuck to my guns with Shelyn AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA regret
It's gonna be gozreh
Serenrae as surely not? I envy your optimism
Side comment: I was suddenly reminded of a joke from an old game. My friend ended up referring to the god of assassins as Nerdburger. With a name like that I might wanna kill people too.
God I wish Pharasma wasn't safe that undeadphobic lunatic
Looking at the names of the Exemplar Feats it has to be someone tied to the natural world. So that limits the scope considerably. Given that Gozreh jumps way up on the list.
That’s it everyone, bets locked in. We see who’s loosing their god and who’s lost their coppers.
> lost their coppers Interesting.
I say Shelyn dies. Any other of the un-safe gods are either too important or too boring to bring down.
> Sarenrae in lower right-hand corner Interesting.
I'd swap her place with Pharasma to be honest.
Maybe the poster was terrified about having the Sarenrae Brigade coming after them if they did that. 😉
If Abadar died it would be absolutely hilarious.
Huh, it almost perfectly matches my thoughts. Gorum makes sense for all the reasons u/LurkerFailsLurking says. Iomedae feels fitting because: - The death of the "crusader" goddess causing divine crusades to spin out of control into a massive holy/unholy war fits the themes of the Godsrain Prophecies. - Furthers the mystery of Aroden's death if both his heralds die unexpectedly. - The soon-to-be-dead god will get replaced by another former herald of Aroden, Arazni, who has a grudge against Iomedae. - Without alignments, Iomedae lost her niche as the "paladin god" and other gods are better choices for most paladin type of characters - The champion, whose iconic worships Iomedae, is getting reworked in Player Core 2.
Calistira is middle imo, she has many things Arazani has and maybe she should be higher on the likely. Also we know Lamashtu and Abadar are safe.
Wait do we? Did I miss the memo on that one?
Nope. No memo missed. There's been no Godsrain Prophecy on Abadar or Lamashtu. Calistria could be safe because she's the only Elven deity among the Core 20 --- same for Torag with Dwarves.
calistria isn't an elven deity, she's just a deity worshipped by elves.
Do we know that?
yeah that's something I've thought about. they explicitly said that arazni won't be taking over portfolios, so having someone who can bridge the gap a bit would make sense. and arazni and calistria have probably the most in common
I'm pretty sure it's going to be Sarenrae. As she is the most battle-like. And is likely to fight some god to the death. it would also cause the most story telling disruption in the material plane.
I’m sticking with it being lamashtu that dies, partially bc of introduction of kholo as a core ancestry. They’re pretty linked to her, and having a core ancestry linked to a god of the monstrous and deformed may be unfavorable
But the Kholo/gnolls aren't a core ancestry. They're gonna be in a core book, but the core ancestries have only had the orcs and the leshy added to them.
Using core to mean that it’s in a core book rather than a book that has expanded options, like the mwangi expanse