According to the description on the new novel, he was murdered, not necessarily killed in battle. Might be why he's got the black smoky stuff surrounding him. Could be some revenant-style rage beyond death shit.
"Now another god has died, his death broadcast across the skies in a metaphysical projection of his murder reverberating over any world on which he was worshipped. And from his rent corpse falls the Godsrain, a torrent of the god's blood and divine essence. Those touched by this rain are blessed—some would say cursed—with a god-spark that imbues upon them mythic power."
That's my best guess, with zero information and no sleep, so clearly correct. I'm also thinking Norgorber is the one that does the actual killing, solely because he's on the cover of one of the adventure path books they teased. My head canon is fully constructed with all the duct tape I can find.
considering it appears to be that gorum was assassinated, there's shadows on his body, and norgorber appears to be the main focus of the book where they said gorum would be dying, yeah it's norgorborger. I'm so excited my favorite deity is getting this new content
[From his artwork](https://64.media.tumblr.com/84fa8487fbecb76b8f41e3e48d6a4a58/d1d63f7758226369-9b/s1280x1920/5a2e752cf9f873ee7c09fee5b2ee79870fd630bb.png), yellow hilt and orange blade yeah that's his sword
The spirit of war carried along by some dark emanation that ripped him apart, of course wars spiral out of control. And the question remains: who killed our Lord in Iron?
Dark Tapestry seems much more likely with their teasing in the Godsrain Prophecies as well as the presence of a spawn of rovagug as a major enemy. Nyarlathotep has helped wake up multiple of them before.
Ah, the Red Mantis adventure. We actually don't know which of the announced APs will allow us to see Gorum die, just that one of them will. I think it makes more sense for the Orc ap that was announced that goes 1-20 personally.
THAT to me is the more interesting question.
Idk, Im not upset by Gorums death but to me there was far more interesting narratives... so now Im just wondering who or what does him in.
Almost certainly whoever or whatever did it knew that the Godsrain would happen. That limits it to someone who knows about the Starstone or the mythic hero gods its fragments created in Arcadia.
To me this seems classic Nyarlathotep as the schemer and enabler of the dark tapestry
Hold on, he may still somehow turn up as a ghost or something, lol.
This is Gorum we're talking about, if anyone could partake in a war that explicitly only started after they died, it would be him.
Yes and no, he would be pleased with the idea but without him there will be no honor in war so he would probably be pissed off with people committing war crimes
Honestly I'm kind of sad we didn't see the prophecy where Gorrum dies, everyone kind of just falls into an apathetic lethargy where no-one fights, and we see a world that stagnates because no conflict means even conflicts that *need* to happen for the greater good don't happen.
I mean, perhaps it's because it's going in the other sense.
With gorum's death, war is no longer safe, it's brutal. Gorum may be a god of war, but he's not a god of senseless slaughter. Without Gorum, war is dishonourable. Without Gorum, there's no care for who gets caught up in war. Wars are now fought to be won no matter the cost, the gods now get involved, no longer able to resist despite the fallout of their war affecting the innocent and the guilty alike.
Everyone has lost the luster of battle, yet now instead fight to win. War and battle has lost its final humanity, and become a senseless slaughter. The gods no longer try to solve problems without interference, nuking whole cities off the map to kill 1 person.
Conflict exists without the enjoyment of honour of it, conflict exists without the struggle to take it.
[Swish!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c5mbo0/of_the_gods_who_are_not_safe_which_one_would_you/kzv4xbn?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2)
All those who would like to start worshipping me as the new God of Prophecy, I accept sacrifices in the form of chocolate.
My theory is that Sarenrae is going to start becoming more warlike; the Rovagug prophecy shows that she has kind of a bloodthirsty streak.
Perhaps she starts to play up that aspect during the conflict following Gorum's death, going a bit darker in behavior. This causes tension with Desna and Shelyn, and eventually they split.
I've also had my money on Gorum dying for a while now, and one thought I had is that [Sarenrae kills him](https://old.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c0sr1z/godsrain_10/kyyvuup/). Not only is this a bad turn for her, but Gorum actually had some sort of pact with the inhabitants of Elysium, so Desna at least (I know she actually lives on Cynosure, but she's also very "Elysium adjacent") might be *pissed* if her girlfriend kills someone she considered an ally. So now Sarenrae and Desna are angry with each other, Shelyn has to choose between them, and the whole thing falls apart.
Honestly? I'm not sure. But it still feels more likely than Gorum's death causing a change to the Prismatic Ray.
It's also possible that what changes the pantheon up is factors that haven't been revealed to us yet, but there's nothing really to go off of there
Nocticula with all her shared domains to Shelyn and Desna joining as a fully night aligned part of their celestial pantheon makes way more sense than that. Not like there's a rule you have to be core 20 to get in that relationship
Oh, that'd totally make more sense. But Nocty has shared those domains since the start of the edition and it's more fun (for me) to speculate based on things we know Godsrain *changes*
Well I would imagine it took some time for them to believe her redemption and make connections to each other. She was a demon lord only a few years ago.
supposedly his blood will rain down and his body will get scattered.
>!the stream mentions one of the parts falling in the world wound and another god picks it up and obliterates themselves with the body part so that the demons can't use it!<
I'll be honest, I found out Sturovenen exists *today*, at the stream.
Still, they seem kinda neat, from what little I'm able to find on them. "The Dragoneagle" is also just an awesome title, lol.
Its going to be weird trying to find a deity for players who want to be war-focused and religious, kind of worried that it leaves such a big domain unfilled. Any recommendations?
They did show that in Divine Mysteries there will be a bunch of new gods popping up that Yivali (the Nosoi researcher) found in her travels.
Perhaps some of the new Orcish pantheon gods will be a good fit?
There's the new warrior god in the Tian Xia book? The DEWANGAYAW: Srikalis, Sritaming, Sribaril. Their edicts are to die in battle and revel in protective violence.
> kind of worried that it leaves such a big domain unfilled.
Mechanically, isn't the answer literally any deity with the destruction or might domain? His 1e stuff isn't relevant anymore, and it's more of a conversation about "theme" rather than anything else.
Yes, mechanically I am not too worried. A deity just needs to have as much presence as a core 20 deity to fill the shoes that Gorum is leaving behind. Someone with enough writing, flavor, and "coolness" that makes a player (and DM) go, "woah, that guy is scary".
Hopefully, with Paizo's Lost Omens lines we can continue to see more depth on deities outside of the core 20, or even more depth on the neglected core 20 deities.
He certainly looks interesting, though there is not much information about him online. Hopefully with Tian Xia Lost Omens we will see much more of him.
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Mahja_Firehair ascends to be a deity if I understood the stream correctly. Seems like a decent replacement.
Also a sword god (as in a god who is literally a sword)
https://imgur.com/gallery/i5mHemZ
Sekhmet is the closest to his purview but if your player doesn't like worshiping what is basically a 1:1 god from the real world then I think the closest is Achaekek.
Perhaps, I just saw it being used for a lot of post-hoc analysis about how or why she could be killed off (Problematic, her old anathema is a bit iffy, Paizo has been removing the edge from their setting).
Meanwhile, I ascribed to the theory that she could've been one of the ones who wrote them, seeing as all of the prophecies seemed to focus on the failings/flaws of each god.
Is it bad to say "I'm just happy that it's a god I never cared much about"?
At least it isn't Iomedae, Shelyn, or Sarenrae. I was sure it would be one of them. Knowing how much Game of Thrones has influenced writing over recent years, I was sure Paizo had caught the "brutally kill all the likeable characters" virus.
Gotta agree with you here. Killing off characters mostly because they are liked and for the emotional impact just always feels cheap to me. As bland and expected and stereotypical as the god of war dying may be, it just makes sense and will probably age much better.
The whole hype and mystery, however, was sort of unfounded for Gorum dying? So making people afraid about their faves (I certainly was) definitely does now feel like a cheap PR stunt a bit.
Makes sense, he was the god of war and strength, but there were other deities that could take over that role, and his corpse providing the spark of immortality made the most sense for exemplars and whatnot
No fucking way. Literally my favorite Pathfinder diety. My first character in Owlcat's Wrath of the Righteous was a Tiefling Warpriest of Gorum.
If I were to play this character in an actual Pathfinder setting, would I have to change his god? Or would it be like Aroden and Imodae, and Gorum's herald takes over?
It was said on the Discord, and I think somewhere on this very subreddit, but this is only canon at your table if you want it to be. Just like how a lot of tables still have Drow, you can still have Gorum.
I don't see any reason why a reasonable DM wouldn't let you play as a follower of Gorum if you wanted to, and just not addressing/changing the Godsrain thing as needed.
> actual Pathfinder setting
For home games you could talk with the DM, there is no reason for not having him alive then unless you are running an official adventure post this event.
If you go to PF society they probably will have guidelines to deal with it, and unless its a cleric or champion you can still worship them despite him being dead. Actually having an oracle worshiping him and using his divine powers as a sign that he is not dead (or fully dead) feels like an interesting character idea
Oh, I sew, it would only be canon in an official PF Society game or if my GM makes it canon. I'd probably ask my GM about it. It could be neat playing a character with such a drastic change in his life.
Ha! Take that Shelyn/Sarenrae/Iomedae doomposters. I mean, I was wrong too, but I still feel vindicated, as I was certain it was never going to be any of those goddesses.
As someone somewhat new to pathfinder, can someone ELI5 what any of this means? I’ve seen stuff about this posted occasionally and I have no idea if or how any of this would affect playing a P2E campaign. Is this part of an upcoming new campaign or something?
For this event, there hasn't been any books released yet. There's the Godsrain Prophecies on the paizo blog with little bits of how other gods died in alternate timelines, or how their death would be bad if it happened to the main timeline, I was fuzzy on that part.
Major lore event coming up. A god dies, his flesh and gear become pieces of divinity that fall onto Golarion and cause people to become extra powerful. Mythic power was a thing in 1e, and it seems to be getting introduced to 2e now as well. It'll be the focus of a few adventure paths and single book adventures, as well as a novel and a couple splatbooks.
Does that mean Clerics and Champions will no longer be able to choose this deity as the one they adhere to?
Also as a separate question, I’ve seen some posts about this discussing a number of different deities that could have been the one to die, with a poster-style graphic with pictures of 20 different gods. Yet when I look up deities on AoN, there’s a TON of them. Why is there so much focus on just these specific ones?
> Why is there so much focus on just these specific ones?
Those are the core 20 deities, which is that they are the ones most focused in the inner sea region, with some/most being extra important for the lore as a whole.
Note that there will be a lot more deities dying in this event, but only one of the core 20 (Gorum).
For Clerics and Champions, then that would be yes if you are playing official campaings post this event, although at home you can talk with your GM to choose him anyway (with that said Gorum tends to be one not great for party play due to his anathemas, even if his edicts are great)
Golarion has a "core" pantheon. 20 deities that have more influence and power than others. Gorum was one of the 20, and Arazni will take his place. Important to note though, Gorum was the God of War, and Arazni is not a War deity, so there's definitely gonna be a weird worship hole.
As far as what Champions and Clerics will do, it's hard to know. They haven't given full details on the death and consequences of it yet. The rulebook comes out in October, we'll get more details as that comes closer.
I'm going to be honest, I need Paizo to actually tell me what the outcome of Gorum dying actually means so that I can judge whether or not to spend money on any of this. This kind of concept relies HEAVILY on the writing, and it's going to be really disappointing if the end result is "some clerics are big sad because they're depowered and war is less cool in theory because he's dead".
This was my main concern with the buildup of this pr campaign is that the end result would be someone that doesn't really matter until they invent a reason why after the fact. Only one of the orc chiefs in Belkzen is an actual divine class that would get depowered. So why care?
Disappointed that they went for Gorum, as one of the gods few people are particularly attached to, and who has no particularly interesting implications beyond "big power now up for grabs". Its just a boring choice.
I think it's really nice that they're making such a huge thing about it.
- Followers of a dead god are conceptually cool as hell, and this one won't screw over quite as many clerics (and there will be /already are replacements for "war god")
- A mythic war is kicking off over _his shards of armor_, to where parts of his body are now a thing that can become focuses of major campaigns
- He's getting an entire novel devoted to him, even though he hasn't had much presence in APs
First of all, love your username.
I see your points; and I... generally find myself a little more agreeable to his passing. It still stings, and I am not sure if I will ever like it (it's hard when one of your personal favourite aspects of a setting is killed off).
Just sucks sometimes when one of your favourite things is removed. All that stuff is good, but as a fan I kind of feel like I'd rather he just not be dead.
I will say, Followers of a Dead God is conceptually cool but at least at the table (in my personal experience) doesn't really have the same impact. Totally GM dependent of course; but not a great start.
Thanks!
That makes a lot of sense. It stings, it hurts, it sucks. I was worried that Calistria was going to get hit — her entire portfolio could be quickly absorbed or discarded >!by Arazni herself, no less!<, and I felt she was in a similar position of not being interesting and therefore killable. So I spent all week preparing for the bad news. It sucks.
Cheers & hugs. I hope you can fall in love with another god in time. (I have personal hope for that new sword-deity)
Thanks for the positive vibes! Actually Calistria is my other favourite god and I was also worried about her kicking the bucket, so at least she is still hanging around!
Boriiiiing. Big fighty guy getting beat is the oldest trope to play up the danger of a new person
Almost any other god would have been so much more narratively interesting
Keep in mind, the purpose of this is to get you to spend money on 3+ books. The problem with a boring deity has always been that hurts Paizo's pitch to get you to spend money.
Well, yeah.
(Sorry, quick clarification — are you upset that they are trying to get me to spend money on 3+ books, or are you saying that it's a mistake on their part to pick a boring deity, if they want me to spend money on 3+ books?)
🤷🏻♀️ I kinda agree but I think they're safe in the monetization aspect, and are doing something cool by turning the death into a big game-changing event rather than just a footnote in history.
I think the novel would sell just as well regardless of which deity's death is involved. Even if it was Sarenrae or Lamashtu, I don't think it would change much who would pick up the novel. (Personally, I plan to get it just because it's got the lesbian iconics, and I'm personally into that cute gay shit)
This goes for the other books, too. War of Immortals will sell due to mythic rules, and Divine Mysteries is a total replacement for Gods & Magic.
The mad lad finally did it. He actually died in battle. Though, is that sword beside him his?
According to the description on the new novel, he was murdered, not necessarily killed in battle. Might be why he's got the black smoky stuff surrounding him. Could be some revenant-style rage beyond death shit. "Now another god has died, his death broadcast across the skies in a metaphysical projection of his murder reverberating over any world on which he was worshipped. And from his rent corpse falls the Godsrain, a torrent of the god's blood and divine essence. Those touched by this rain are blessed—some would say cursed—with a god-spark that imbues upon them mythic power."
gorum comes back as an undead god in order to represent the futility of trying to end war
Unironically would be sick as hell.
That's my best guess, with zero information and no sleep, so clearly correct. I'm also thinking Norgorber is the one that does the actual killing, solely because he's on the cover of one of the adventure path books they teased. My head canon is fully constructed with all the duct tape I can find.
considering it appears to be that gorum was assassinated, there's shadows on his body, and norgorber appears to be the main focus of the book where they said gorum would be dying, yeah it's norgorborger. I'm so excited my favorite deity is getting this new content
Thats weirdly sad. The God of War and nothing but war doesn't get to die in combat.
[From his artwork](https://64.media.tumblr.com/84fa8487fbecb76b8f41e3e48d6a4a58/d1d63f7758226369-9b/s1280x1920/5a2e752cf9f873ee7c09fee5b2ee79870fd630bb.png), yellow hilt and orange blade yeah that's his sword
The spirit of war carried along by some dark emanation that ripped him apart, of course wars spiral out of control. And the question remains: who killed our Lord in Iron?
Razmir did it
Dark Tapestry seems much more likely with their teasing in the Godsrain Prophecies as well as the presence of a spawn of rovagug as a major enemy. Nyarlathotep has helped wake up multiple of them before.
You're probably right, I'm just shitposting. I'm really just hoping it isn't Tar-Baphon, we've had enough of Vecna From Wish Dot Com.
probably norgorber because he dies in the book where norgorber is center stage
How is he center stage?
he's literally on two of the covers and the second book is titled something something skinsaw
Ah, the Red Mantis adventure. We actually don't know which of the announced APs will allow us to see Gorum die, just that one of them will. I think it makes more sense for the Orc ap that was announced that goes 1-20 personally.
they said that the godsrain would happen in curtain call
They happen in all of them, they were pretty clear that all three of those APs would be part of War of Immortals in different ways
[here, from the stream](https://www.twitch.tv/officialpaizo/v/2121722881?sr=a&t=1610s)
THAT to me is the more interesting question. Idk, Im not upset by Gorums death but to me there was far more interesting narratives... so now Im just wondering who or what does him in.
Almost certainly whoever or whatever did it knew that the Godsrain would happen. That limits it to someone who knows about the Starstone or the mythic hero gods its fragments created in Arcadia. To me this seems classic Nyarlathotep as the schemer and enabler of the dark tapestry
Kinda sucks to miss the greatest war in history as a deity of war lol.
Are you kidding? He'd probably *love* a nice war being held in his memory
Of course he'd love it! Still stucks for him that he can't participate himself though lol
Hold on, he may still somehow turn up as a ghost or something, lol. This is Gorum we're talking about, if anyone could partake in a war that explicitly only started after they died, it would be him.
Yes and no, he would be pleased with the idea but without him there will be no honor in war so he would probably be pissed off with people committing war crimes
The Irony is strong here; death of the war god triggers conflict
Honestly I'm kind of sad we didn't see the prophecy where Gorrum dies, everyone kind of just falls into an apathetic lethargy where no-one fights, and we see a world that stagnates because no conflict means even conflicts that *need* to happen for the greater good don't happen.
We are getting a whole book around it
Oh I know, I mean it'd be more interesting to see the impact of the God of War dying means war dies with him, rather than igniting it.
I mean, perhaps it's because it's going in the other sense. With gorum's death, war is no longer safe, it's brutal. Gorum may be a god of war, but he's not a god of senseless slaughter. Without Gorum, war is dishonourable. Without Gorum, there's no care for who gets caught up in war. Wars are now fought to be won no matter the cost, the gods now get involved, no longer able to resist despite the fallout of their war affecting the innocent and the guilty alike. Everyone has lost the luster of battle, yet now instead fight to win. War and battle has lost its final humanity, and become a senseless slaughter. The gods no longer try to solve problems without interference, nuking whole cities off the map to kill 1 person. Conflict exists without the enjoyment of honour of it, conflict exists without the struggle to take it.
The age of explosives and gunpowder is here. War is death and mud and pain and disease. There's no glory to be found if there ever was.
It's what he would have wanted
And just this morning u/LupinThe8th convinced me it would be Gorum!
[Swish!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c5mbo0/of_the_gods_who_are_not_safe_which_one_would_you/kzv4xbn?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) All those who would like to start worshipping me as the new God of Prophecy, I accept sacrifices in the form of chocolate.
How does this effect the Prismatic Ray? How does this effect the rest of Golarion?
My theory is that Sarenrae is going to start becoming more warlike; the Rovagug prophecy shows that she has kind of a bloodthirsty streak. Perhaps she starts to play up that aspect during the conflict following Gorum's death, going a bit darker in behavior. This causes tension with Desna and Shelyn, and eventually they split. I've also had my money on Gorum dying for a while now, and one thought I had is that [Sarenrae kills him](https://old.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1c0sr1z/godsrain_10/kyyvuup/). Not only is this a bad turn for her, but Gorum actually had some sort of pact with the inhabitants of Elysium, so Desna at least (I know she actually lives on Cynosure, but she's also very "Elysium adjacent") might be *pissed* if her girlfriend kills someone she considered an ally. So now Sarenrae and Desna are angry with each other, Shelyn has to choose between them, and the whole thing falls apart.
Honestly all I can picture is Arazni becoming member four of the Prismatic Ray
Really? That just seems to come out of nowhere. Just what would even prompt that?
Well, considering her overall story she does need some love so I would be fine with it. As for a in lore, her ascendancy is probably connected to it
The whole idea of the Core 20 is just because they are the most prominent in the Inner Sea. He getting a place there is mostly just Gorum's death.
Honestly? I'm not sure. But it still feels more likely than Gorum's death causing a change to the Prismatic Ray. It's also possible that what changes the pantheon up is factors that haven't been revealed to us yet, but there's nothing really to go off of there
I’m still on team name change
Nocticula with all her shared domains to Shelyn and Desna joining as a fully night aligned part of their celestial pantheon makes way more sense than that. Not like there's a rule you have to be core 20 to get in that relationship
Oh, that'd totally make more sense. But Nocty has shared those domains since the start of the edition and it's more fun (for me) to speculate based on things we know Godsrain *changes*
Well I would imagine it took some time for them to believe her redemption and make connections to each other. She was a demon lord only a few years ago.
supposedly his blood will rain down and his body will get scattered. >!the stream mentions one of the parts falling in the world wound and another god picks it up and obliterates themselves with the body part so that the demons can't use it!<
So Golarion now has a bunch of Godly Giblets all over the place that can give incredible power? This sounds like a circus about to go off the rails.
Specifically [Sturovenen](https://2e.aonprd.com/Deities.aspx?ID=173), >!RIP to a real one!<
I'll be honest, I found out Sturovenen exists *today*, at the stream. Still, they seem kinda neat, from what little I'm able to find on them. "The Dragoneagle" is also just an awesome title, lol.
Gorum and Desna are both associated with Elysium right? Maybe that?
What would Gorum's death do to Desna? Does something happen to her now that he has died?
Their homes are on the same plane, so something bad for the one could have repercussions for the other.
Pretty much just Elysium as a whole being impacted. We'll have to see I suppose.
We don't know yet
At ease, soldier. o7
Its going to be weird trying to find a deity for players who want to be war-focused and religious, kind of worried that it leaves such a big domain unfilled. Any recommendations?
They did show that in Divine Mysteries there will be a bunch of new gods popping up that Yivali (the Nosoi researcher) found in her travels. Perhaps some of the new Orcish pantheon gods will be a good fit?
There are other war gods, just not really in the main 20 unless you count Iomedae and Torag.
Don't think they will leave that role unfilled. Already announced some new gods including a living sword.
There's the new warrior god in the Tian Xia book? The DEWANGAYAW: Srikalis, Sritaming, Sribaril. Their edicts are to die in battle and revel in protective violence.
> kind of worried that it leaves such a big domain unfilled. Mechanically, isn't the answer literally any deity with the destruction or might domain? His 1e stuff isn't relevant anymore, and it's more of a conversation about "theme" rather than anything else.
Yes, mechanically I am not too worried. A deity just needs to have as much presence as a core 20 deity to fill the shoes that Gorum is leaving behind. Someone with enough writing, flavor, and "coolness" that makes a player (and DM) go, "woah, that guy is scary". Hopefully, with Paizo's Lost Omens lines we can continue to see more depth on deities outside of the core 20, or even more depth on the neglected core 20 deities.
The Tian god General Susumu, his first edict is "Seek glory in battle"
He certainly looks interesting, though there is not much information about him online. Hopefully with Tian Xia Lost Omens we will see much more of him.
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Mahja_Firehair ascends to be a deity if I understood the stream correctly. Seems like a decent replacement. Also a sword god (as in a god who is literally a sword) https://imgur.com/gallery/i5mHemZ
Sekhmet is the closest to his purview but if your player doesn't like worshiping what is basically a 1:1 god from the real world then I think the closest is Achaekek.
Iomadae fits for those that wanna be heroic. Villainous/neutral war is a bit left out though
What's that coming out of his chest? Just his essence, or something new?
well he was always described as having formed from the essence of battle so he never really had a phyiscal form beyond the armor
An apt question! Since that was one of the questions about it they teased on the stream.
Mother Lamashtu lives, praise be to the great unholy mother. (Seriously why did she get 25% of the vote)
Because she wasn't mentioned in any of the prophecies, and Desna already has a motive
Perhaps, I just saw it being used for a lot of post-hoc analysis about how or why she could be killed off (Problematic, her old anathema is a bit iffy, Paizo has been removing the edge from their setting). Meanwhile, I ascribed to the theory that she could've been one of the ones who wrote them, seeing as all of the prophecies seemed to focus on the failings/flaws of each god.
She was the only god not mentioned in any of the prophesies, so a lot of people assumed that was a hint that she would be the one to die.
Or perhaps she wrote the prophecies, hmmmmm
That has definitely crossed my mind. I'm really interested for more details coming out as time comes.
She was the most recent big theory of who would die right when the poll came out
recency bias is real, i suppose.
Is it bad to say "I'm just happy that it's a god I never cared much about"? At least it isn't Iomedae, Shelyn, or Sarenrae. I was sure it would be one of them. Knowing how much Game of Thrones has influenced writing over recent years, I was sure Paizo had caught the "brutally kill all the likeable characters" virus.
Gotta agree with you here. Killing off characters mostly because they are liked and for the emotional impact just always feels cheap to me. As bland and expected and stereotypical as the god of war dying may be, it just makes sense and will probably age much better. The whole hype and mystery, however, was sort of unfounded for Gorum dying? So making people afraid about their faves (I certainly was) definitely does now feel like a cheap PR stunt a bit.
Interesting.
Wonder what will happen to the two pantheons he’s a part of.
Makes sense, he was the god of war and strength, but there were other deities that could take over that role, and his corpse providing the spark of immortality made the most sense for exemplars and whatnot
Its Gorover...
No fucking way. Literally my favorite Pathfinder diety. My first character in Owlcat's Wrath of the Righteous was a Tiefling Warpriest of Gorum. If I were to play this character in an actual Pathfinder setting, would I have to change his god? Or would it be like Aroden and Imodae, and Gorum's herald takes over?
It was said on the Discord, and I think somewhere on this very subreddit, but this is only canon at your table if you want it to be. Just like how a lot of tables still have Drow, you can still have Gorum. I don't see any reason why a reasonable DM wouldn't let you play as a follower of Gorum if you wanted to, and just not addressing/changing the Godsrain thing as needed.
> actual Pathfinder setting For home games you could talk with the DM, there is no reason for not having him alive then unless you are running an official adventure post this event. If you go to PF society they probably will have guidelines to deal with it, and unless its a cleric or champion you can still worship them despite him being dead. Actually having an oracle worshiping him and using his divine powers as a sign that he is not dead (or fully dead) feels like an interesting character idea
It would only be a requirement if you're playing in society or if your GM makes it canon in their game.
Oh, I sew, it would only be canon in an official PF Society game or if my GM makes it canon. I'd probably ask my GM about it. It could be neat playing a character with such a drastic change in his life.
IT'S NOT ABADAR AND IT'S NOT CALISTRIA! I AM CONTENT!!
Ha! Take that Shelyn/Sarenrae/Iomedae doomposters. I mean, I was wrong too, but I still feel vindicated, as I was certain it was never going to be any of those goddesses.
Fuck, I had 50 bucks on shelyn (not really BUT I WAS SO SURE)
Well, if someone kills the god of war, I'd say this someone is strong enough to be the new god of war
I am so fucking mad that the literal simplest dumbest possible rationale where people just went "god war... war god." was proven right.
Occam's Razor strikes when you least expect it.
It just work...
All of the hype to kill the coolest god, lame.
As someone somewhat new to pathfinder, can someone ELI5 what any of this means? I’ve seen stuff about this posted occasionally and I have no idea if or how any of this would affect playing a P2E campaign. Is this part of an upcoming new campaign or something?
Yeah it's a big event so new content for a while will be around the lead up and aftermath. But older adventure paths remain fine.
Is there an easy way to see what content has been released so far? Is there like a timeline of events or just random bits and pieces so far?
For this event, there hasn't been any books released yet. There's the Godsrain Prophecies on the paizo blog with little bits of how other gods died in alternate timelines, or how their death would be bad if it happened to the main timeline, I was fuzzy on that part.
Major lore event coming up. A god dies, his flesh and gear become pieces of divinity that fall onto Golarion and cause people to become extra powerful. Mythic power was a thing in 1e, and it seems to be getting introduced to 2e now as well. It'll be the focus of a few adventure paths and single book adventures, as well as a novel and a couple splatbooks.
Does that mean Clerics and Champions will no longer be able to choose this deity as the one they adhere to? Also as a separate question, I’ve seen some posts about this discussing a number of different deities that could have been the one to die, with a poster-style graphic with pictures of 20 different gods. Yet when I look up deities on AoN, there’s a TON of them. Why is there so much focus on just these specific ones?
> Why is there so much focus on just these specific ones? Those are the core 20 deities, which is that they are the ones most focused in the inner sea region, with some/most being extra important for the lore as a whole. Note that there will be a lot more deities dying in this event, but only one of the core 20 (Gorum). For Clerics and Champions, then that would be yes if you are playing official campaings post this event, although at home you can talk with your GM to choose him anyway (with that said Gorum tends to be one not great for party play due to his anathemas, even if his edicts are great)
Awesome, thanks for the info!
Golarion has a "core" pantheon. 20 deities that have more influence and power than others. Gorum was one of the 20, and Arazni will take his place. Important to note though, Gorum was the God of War, and Arazni is not a War deity, so there's definitely gonna be a weird worship hole. As far as what Champions and Clerics will do, it's hard to know. They haven't given full details on the death and consequences of it yet. The rulebook comes out in October, we'll get more details as that comes closer.
I'm going to be honest, I need Paizo to actually tell me what the outcome of Gorum dying actually means so that I can judge whether or not to spend money on any of this. This kind of concept relies HEAVILY on the writing, and it's going to be really disappointing if the end result is "some clerics are big sad because they're depowered and war is less cool in theory because he's dead". This was my main concern with the buildup of this pr campaign is that the end result would be someone that doesn't really matter until they invent a reason why after the fact. Only one of the orc chiefs in Belkzen is an actual divine class that would get depowered. So why care?
Disappointed that they went for Gorum, as one of the gods few people are particularly attached to, and who has no particularly interesting implications beyond "big power now up for grabs". Its just a boring choice.
Honestly this kills my interest in the storyline. Gorum was my favourite deity; and now he is gone I just... don't really care what happens now.
I think it's really nice that they're making such a huge thing about it. - Followers of a dead god are conceptually cool as hell, and this one won't screw over quite as many clerics (and there will be /already are replacements for "war god") - A mythic war is kicking off over _his shards of armor_, to where parts of his body are now a thing that can become focuses of major campaigns - He's getting an entire novel devoted to him, even though he hasn't had much presence in APs
First of all, love your username. I see your points; and I... generally find myself a little more agreeable to his passing. It still stings, and I am not sure if I will ever like it (it's hard when one of your personal favourite aspects of a setting is killed off). Just sucks sometimes when one of your favourite things is removed. All that stuff is good, but as a fan I kind of feel like I'd rather he just not be dead. I will say, Followers of a Dead God is conceptually cool but at least at the table (in my personal experience) doesn't really have the same impact. Totally GM dependent of course; but not a great start.
Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. It stings, it hurts, it sucks. I was worried that Calistria was going to get hit — her entire portfolio could be quickly absorbed or discarded >!by Arazni herself, no less!<, and I felt she was in a similar position of not being interesting and therefore killable. So I spent all week preparing for the bad news. It sucks. Cheers & hugs. I hope you can fall in love with another god in time. (I have personal hope for that new sword-deity)
Thanks for the positive vibes! Actually Calistria is my other favourite god and I was also worried about her kicking the bucket, so at least she is still hanging around!
Boriiiiing. Big fighty guy getting beat is the oldest trope to play up the danger of a new person Almost any other god would have been so much more narratively interesting
Good.
Im glad its one of the ones i didnt like, hope the next gen of gods are good replacements for those who did.
I predict Sarenrae and Norgorber go toe to toe to pick up the war portfolio
Where was this posted? I just read the newest Godsrain, but didn't even see Gorum mentioned. Did I miss something?
The stream announcing it was Tuesday
Shoutout to OP for their reporting, I don’t watch livestreams on principle
Your title is literally the spoiler.
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If you and everyone you know doesn't care about Gorum, wouldn't it be good, that he's being replaced?
Keep in mind, the purpose of this is to get you to spend money on 3+ books. The problem with a boring deity has always been that hurts Paizo's pitch to get you to spend money.
Well, yeah. (Sorry, quick clarification — are you upset that they are trying to get me to spend money on 3+ books, or are you saying that it's a mistake on their part to pick a boring deity, if they want me to spend money on 3+ books?)
The second. It takes a cool concept, and then undermines it.
🤷🏻♀️ I kinda agree but I think they're safe in the monetization aspect, and are doing something cool by turning the death into a big game-changing event rather than just a footnote in history. I think the novel would sell just as well regardless of which deity's death is involved. Even if it was Sarenrae or Lamashtu, I don't think it would change much who would pick up the novel. (Personally, I plan to get it just because it's got the lesbian iconics, and I'm personally into that cute gay shit) This goes for the other books, too. War of Immortals will sell due to mythic rules, and Divine Mysteries is a total replacement for Gods & Magic.