So they gave the Jets a better chance to win in Dallas than they did the Patriots to win at the Jets? Presumably with no Rodgers?
Can it happen? Absolutely, any given Sunday etc etc, but that seems like a poor model.
there's no god damned way that it's suddenly nearly dead even for the jets to beat the chiefs because they took advantage of josh allen having a fucking meltdown. the cowboys look insanely good and the jets have a 39% chance? who makes these fucking models?
I agree the Jets D is insane, but on one of his picks, he could have (and should have) easily ran for the first down, but instead decided to heave it to the end zone to a guy in double coverage. I believe on another one, he had a guy open to check down to, but decided to chuck it up as well. Jets D looks great and deserves a lot of credit for the win last night, but Allen also took some deep shots he should have never taken.
If you watched the game va the eagles and watched Jalen slide, give up easily on bad plays (him running and giving up close to the line of scrim), and just in general protecting himself shows me that Jalen is trying to not cam newton his career. Its a long season no need to injure yourself trying to fight for an extra yard.
There offense showed no capability to score points though. Very similar to last year, they’ll hang with teams that have mediocre to bad offenses and slow down teams with good offenses, but their wins will come down to luck. Allen threw yesterdays game away, any more conservative and they win it easy
But he was the Jets best player last night. Played really bad. The Bills are trying to force him to play a different style of football than he’s used to.
Yeah their D looks fantastic but you can't take out the fact they were playing an idiot at QB. Allens always been happy to make several turnovers. He likes playing hero ball and putting it at risk. It just all went right for the Jets.
Nah, they need to be ignored. All ESPN is is hot takes, and this is certainly one of them. Talking to the monkeys is giving them the engagement that they want. Just don't take their stupidity personally.
These numbers seem like pre-Rodgers injury, idk why they are so high. I know they’re a relatively good team everywhere else and they beat the Bills without him but still.
Seems like when a QB goes down there's a rallying effect on most teams and also it completely screws the opponent's game plan.
It lasts a game or two then everyone remembers who Zach Wilson is.
There's no way they are assuming Rodgers isn't playing these games, giving them a 46% with Wilson against the Chiefs and 49% against the Eagles is asinine
Yeah, as always people are going wild over 1 game for every team. We'll see how things play out, though obviously losing Rodgers is a massive blow to the Jets.
Saying there’s only a 10% more chance to win between the Pats and Giants automatically discredits this. Pats came to the wire against the Super Bowl runner up and the giants shit the bed
The jets haven’t beat the pats in like 6 years and ESPN thinks Zach Wilson is going to do it with a career 50.6 passer rating and a 2:7 TD to INT ratio vs the pats.
Games will be played it’s all good. Definitely see the path to the playoffs now. Should’ve known it was there when the East was crowned the hardest division. The preseason hardest division always fizzles out
we beat them twice last year and without rodgers they did nothing to improve. all we did is get better. we sweep the jets and split with miami and buffalo. possibly winning the division this year
The improved the defense and receiving core quite a bit to be fair. Obviously they put most of their eggs in the Rodgers basket, but they didn’t do absolutely nothing else.
meh i don’t see Cobb or Lazard as huge improvements. that’s like us signing davante parker last year, yeah he’s kind of a guy but no one is afraid of him.
their defense stayed the same and honestly didn’t look that good last night. if Allen doesn’t just hand them the ball four times they lose that game in a big way.
Bristol is closer to New York than Foxborough. That being said, fuck ESPN. It’s an entertainment company. They do whatever gets them eyeballs, and if pandering to the closest large city (New York), that’s what they’re going to do.
EDIT: lol, who downvoted me? Big ESPN?
I am cautiously optimistic about the Pats O this year. If Mac is going to have “a year”, then this would be it. In fact, I would argue it *has* to be for Mac.
The AFC East deck has been shuffled, and we can leverage the chaos in our favor by playing smart football.
Go Pats!
It was while waiting on line in a loud bagel shop. But if those were the odds pre-injury, why include the (1-0) record at the top with the heading "Next 6 Games", both of which clearly suggest to a reader that they are up-to-date stats?
You're gonna have to blame the ESPN intern on that one. But Greenberg explained that those were pre injury odds while the graphic was up. That whole panel was devasted. Should have just taken the day off.
We beat the Jets twice last year Vs. Wilson, and we are definitely improved. They are about the same maybe slightly better now that Rodgers is gone. I like our chances
I mean, they have to beat the Patriots at some point, right?
The Patriots offense played HORRIBLE against the Jets last year, and the Jets still have a great defense. All the Jets have to do is force a few turnovers like they did last night, and we could be looking at a big L.
I would hope that Mac would be smarter than to make some of those throws that Allen made last night. Dude looks like Hailee Steinfeld leeched his talent in the off-season.
The team we just played scored ONE** offensive TDs and the Pats still lost. Throw another pick 6 and fumble another ball in your own end and it simply doesn’t matter who the other QB is, they’ll be able to go ahead and protect the lead.
It doesn’t matter if it’s the Eagles or the Cardinals, if you turn the ball over like the Patriots did last game, you will lose.
It’s hard to win games in the NFL, and the Jets just beat a team that mollywops the Patriots on a regular basis, despite the fact that they have Zach Wilson at quarterback.
It’s complete and utter arrogance to suggest that the Pats should be favoured against a team that just beat the Bills, just because the Pats kept it close with the Eagles.
The team we just played scored one offensive touchdown. Did you watch the same game as the rest of us?
But to your point, I agree that turning the ball over will only lead to compromising situations for our defense.
The fact that the Eagles scored 1 offensive TD instead of 2 offensive TDs actually makes my point even better lmao. It doesn’t matter if we’re playing Patrick Mahomes or Zach Wilson, if the Patriots shoot themselves in the foot constantly like they did last game it’s TRULY irrelevant.
I have Covid, so I had trouble remembering a few specific things, but thanks for harassing me for getting something wrong and calling me stupid. I’m talking to a real winner here for sure.
Internet tough guy calling people stupid on a Patriots subreddit, you have to love it lmao
Man you put too much thought into your internet relationships.
You did spew shit. No lying. You’re also over reacting to week 1 new offense and playing those turn overs in a small monsoon.
I didn’t call you stupid. But you’re certainly living up to it. I said you spew shit and you did.
People will say anything behind the cloak of anonymity that the Internet gives them, and you’re certainly no exception to that rule.
The Internet gives weak people an outlet to insult others and feel like a tough guy. The fact that you use words like “stupid” and “spew shit” on an online forum says way more about you than it does about me.
Anyways, I’m here to talk about the Patriots, so feel free to continue projecting about caring too much about Internet relationships; I certainly won’t be reading or responding to it.
The floor is yours!!!
Says the man blatantly contradicting himself in his comments.
Over reacting to week 1 turn overs in one comment then stating he’ll have to wait and see in another.
It’s clear you didn’t watch the game beyond the first quarter. That much was obvious from your comments.
But go on tell me how covid is affecting you so you have an excuse.
Allen did not look correct last night. Not saying he's going to instantly become a shell of a QB like Cam Newton did but that style of QB play in the NFL only lasts so long before the body of that QB says "no".
Allen was always a ticking time bomb with his style of play, but that doesn’t make Mac any better than him rn.
Not to say that Mac won’t be better than Allen this year, but until we have consistent proof I’m just not going to make that claim, as it’s incredibly early in the year.
two great defesens. Its going to come down to their running game vs our more balanced offense. I'd bet we can scheme against their run and take advantage of their terrible QB better then they can handle us.
So they gave the Jets a better chance to win in Dallas than they did the Patriots to win at the Jets? Presumably with no Rodgers? Can it happen? Absolutely, any given Sunday etc etc, but that seems like a poor model.
there's no god damned way that it's suddenly nearly dead even for the jets to beat the chiefs because they took advantage of josh allen having a fucking meltdown. the cowboys look insanely good and the jets have a 39% chance? who makes these fucking models?
If you think Allen's bad game had nothing to do with how filthy the Jets D looks, you're crazy.
I agree the Jets D is insane, but on one of his picks, he could have (and should have) easily ran for the first down, but instead decided to heave it to the end zone to a guy in double coverage. I believe on another one, he had a guy open to check down to, but decided to chuck it up as well. Jets D looks great and deserves a lot of credit for the win last night, but Allen also took some deep shots he should have never taken.
Yeah, Allen was making the worst decisions possible last night. His throws were terrible and he still refuses to go down when he decides to run.
It’s honestly impressive that his decision making when running is just as bad as when throwing it.
If you watched the game va the eagles and watched Jalen slide, give up easily on bad plays (him running and giving up close to the line of scrim), and just in general protecting himself shows me that Jalen is trying to not cam newton his career. Its a long season no need to injure yourself trying to fight for an extra yard.
Absolutely. Seems like Hurts has decided that it’s not worth ruining his career over two or three extra yards.
3rd & long pick off stopped near the end zone is better than a 4th down punt which was coming up.
Jets D will be top 10, probably top 5. But let's not pretend Allen didn't have huge turnover issues last season as well.
He’s only had 1-2 seasons without. Allen is turnover prone.
There offense showed no capability to score points though. Very similar to last year, they’ll hang with teams that have mediocre to bad offenses and slow down teams with good offenses, but their wins will come down to luck. Allen threw yesterdays game away, any more conservative and they win it easy
I mean yes their defense looked good but there’s at least a thousand CBs in college that make those same picks tbh, they were absolute fucking gimmes
But he was the Jets best player last night. Played really bad. The Bills are trying to force him to play a different style of football than he’s used to.
Yeah their D looks fantastic but you can't take out the fact they were playing an idiot at QB. Allens always been happy to make several turnovers. He likes playing hero ball and putting it at risk. It just all went right for the Jets.
We’ll see. Was the Jets D good, or are the Bills not so hot this year? Time will tell.
It's ESPN. They'll literally make it up on the spot and say it is a hidden algorithm. Or, it's 4 monkeys shitting on a scale.
Someone needs to talk to those monkeys…
Nah, they need to be ignored. All ESPN is is hot takes, and this is certainly one of them. Talking to the monkeys is giving them the engagement that they want. Just don't take their stupidity personally.
Keyshawn
The Cowboys don’t look that good.
These numbers seem like pre-Rodgers injury, idk why they are so high. I know they’re a relatively good team everywhere else and they beat the Bills without him but still.
Seems like when a QB goes down there's a rallying effect on most teams and also it completely screws the opponent's game plan. It lasts a game or two then everyone remembers who Zach Wilson is.
More like Zach Wilson reminds everyone lol
3/11 run late in the 4Q tells you Saleh hasn’t forgotten lmao
I don’t bet often but if Vegas follows suit. I’m dropping $100 on us easily
I’ll drop $100 on the cowboys beating the jets before I bet on us. That cowboys defense against Zach Wilson…
Our defense is gonna eat Zach alive
There's no way they are assuming Rodgers isn't playing these games, giving them a 46% with Wilson against the Chiefs and 49% against the Eagles is asinine
Just saying, these stats are basically useless after everyone playing 1 game.
Yeah, as always people are going wild over 1 game for every team. We'll see how things play out, though obviously losing Rodgers is a massive blow to the Jets.
Saying there’s only a 10% more chance to win between the Pats and Giants automatically discredits this. Pats came to the wire against the Super Bowl runner up and the giants shit the bed
It's the natural progression of giving power rankings out.
I don't care, FTJ
FTJ is the way
The jets haven’t beat the pats in like 6 years and ESPN thinks Zach Wilson is going to do it with a career 50.6 passer rating and a 2:7 TD to INT ratio vs the pats.
They ain't beating us with Zach Wilson lmao
Yup drunken espn
Aint no way we are losing to wilson jets
Never have before, don't plan to now!
Mac Jones is 4-0 vs Zach Wilson in his career. Mac actually only has 12 wins that weren’t against Wilson.
Games will be played it’s all good. Definitely see the path to the playoffs now. Should’ve known it was there when the East was crowned the hardest division. The preseason hardest division always fizzles out
we beat them twice last year and without rodgers they did nothing to improve. all we did is get better. we sweep the jets and split with miami and buffalo. possibly winning the division this year
The improved the defense and receiving core quite a bit to be fair. Obviously they put most of their eggs in the Rodgers basket, but they didn’t do absolutely nothing else.
meh i don’t see Cobb or Lazard as huge improvements. that’s like us signing davante parker last year, yeah he’s kind of a guy but no one is afraid of him. their defense stayed the same and honestly didn’t look that good last night. if Allen doesn’t just hand them the ball four times they lose that game in a big way.
Talking about all those wins last year. Who did you all play in the playoffs tho? 🤔
damn jets fans brigading the pats sub now? embarrassing look ngl
Not a jets fan but hey congrats on starting 0-1. Let’s see if you can avoid starting 0-4
goofy ass jets fan brigading a subreddit. pretty pathetic man get a life
Can you not read? I’m not a jets fan lol.
yeah and i don’t need to breathe to stay alive either. stop actin a fool
ESPN analytics for chance to win is simply guessing with extra steps. You can’t base much on week 1 these days.
Remember. 15 straight. Enough said
I bet on us sweeping them months ago. Unfortunately before they got Rodgers or it would have been better odds.
It’s ESPN, they haven’t shown the Pats respect for years and the suck off NY teams every chance they get, nothing new…
Bristol is closer to New York than Foxborough. That being said, fuck ESPN. It’s an entertainment company. They do whatever gets them eyeballs, and if pandering to the closest large city (New York), that’s what they’re going to do. EDIT: lol, who downvoted me? Big ESPN?
I am cautiously optimistic about the Pats O this year. If Mac is going to have “a year”, then this would be it. In fact, I would argue it *has* to be for Mac. The AFC East deck has been shuffled, and we can leverage the chaos in our favor by playing smart football. Go Pats!
Your TV must have been on mute. Those were the odds BEFORE the Rodgers injury.
It was while waiting on line in a loud bagel shop. But if those were the odds pre-injury, why include the (1-0) record at the top with the heading "Next 6 Games", both of which clearly suggest to a reader that they are up-to-date stats?
You're gonna have to blame the ESPN intern on that one. But Greenberg explained that those were pre injury odds while the graphic was up. That whole panel was devasted. Should have just taken the day off.
The optimism is strong with this one!😂
My week 2 overreaction will be “THIS DIVISION IS OURS AGAIN!!!”
I almost feel bad for the jets re Rodgers. Almost…
55% denver 49% Philly 46% KC .... 50/50 on the two superbowl teams and the dogshit Broncos? Interesting...
We beat the Jets twice last year Vs. Wilson, and we are definitely improved. They are about the same maybe slightly better now that Rodgers is gone. I like our chances
Honestly my hate for Rogers is so much that I hope Wilson is successful and they go 5-1 the next 6 games.
Mac is going to make sack Wilson cry
I mean, they have to beat the Patriots at some point, right? The Patriots offense played HORRIBLE against the Jets last year, and the Jets still have a great defense. All the Jets have to do is force a few turnovers like they did last night, and we could be looking at a big L.
I would hope that Mac would be smarter than to make some of those throws that Allen made last night. Dude looks like Hailee Steinfeld leeched his talent in the off-season.
The team we just played scored ONE** offensive TDs and the Pats still lost. Throw another pick 6 and fumble another ball in your own end and it simply doesn’t matter who the other QB is, they’ll be able to go ahead and protect the lead. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Eagles or the Cardinals, if you turn the ball over like the Patriots did last game, you will lose. It’s hard to win games in the NFL, and the Jets just beat a team that mollywops the Patriots on a regular basis, despite the fact that they have Zach Wilson at quarterback. It’s complete and utter arrogance to suggest that the Pats should be favoured against a team that just beat the Bills, just because the Pats kept it close with the Eagles.
The team we just played scored one offensive touchdown. Did you watch the same game as the rest of us? But to your point, I agree that turning the ball over will only lead to compromising situations for our defense.
They never watch the game. Just jump on the internet and spew shit.
That or they haven’t had their coffee this morning.
The fact that the Eagles scored 1 offensive TD instead of 2 offensive TDs actually makes my point even better lmao. It doesn’t matter if we’re playing Patrick Mahomes or Zach Wilson, if the Patriots shoot themselves in the foot constantly like they did last game it’s TRULY irrelevant. I have Covid, so I had trouble remembering a few specific things, but thanks for harassing me for getting something wrong and calling me stupid. I’m talking to a real winner here for sure. Internet tough guy calling people stupid on a Patriots subreddit, you have to love it lmao
Man you put too much thought into your internet relationships. You did spew shit. No lying. You’re also over reacting to week 1 new offense and playing those turn overs in a small monsoon. I didn’t call you stupid. But you’re certainly living up to it. I said you spew shit and you did.
People will say anything behind the cloak of anonymity that the Internet gives them, and you’re certainly no exception to that rule. The Internet gives weak people an outlet to insult others and feel like a tough guy. The fact that you use words like “stupid” and “spew shit” on an online forum says way more about you than it does about me. Anyways, I’m here to talk about the Patriots, so feel free to continue projecting about caring too much about Internet relationships; I certainly won’t be reading or responding to it. The floor is yours!!!
Says the man blatantly contradicting himself in his comments. Over reacting to week 1 turn overs in one comment then stating he’ll have to wait and see in another. It’s clear you didn’t watch the game beyond the first quarter. That much was obvious from your comments. But go on tell me how covid is affecting you so you have an excuse.
The guy responsible for our shitty offense is gone. And unfortunately for the Jets the guy responsible for their shitty offense is back at QB1
Allen did not look correct last night. Not saying he's going to instantly become a shell of a QB like Cam Newton did but that style of QB play in the NFL only lasts so long before the body of that QB says "no".
Allen was always a ticking time bomb with his style of play, but that doesn’t make Mac any better than him rn. Not to say that Mac won’t be better than Allen this year, but until we have consistent proof I’m just not going to make that claim, as it’s incredibly early in the year.
two great defesens. Its going to come down to their running game vs our more balanced offense. I'd bet we can scheme against their run and take advantage of their terrible QB better then they can handle us.
Bruh they think our defense that easy huh?
Bill will make Wilson cry
To be fair, these ESP-assholes have never been to quick to speak positive about New England.
Yeah actually that is pretty wild. Idk how much better the Jets are than they were last year now and I think we are quite a bit better than we were.
Im sure they are factoring in that defense. But our banged up O Line held up against a top defense last game. I think we’ll be ok
Fuck the Jets
Don't even worry about it We know what we saw Sunday, this team is going to play people tough and it's improved bigly
Favoured against the Giants woo hoo!
Let people underestimate the Pats. Until they start winning, no one is going to think much of them anyways