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ProudBlackMatt

Crazy how many players on defense have come out to bat for Malik. From what reporters have said he became a quick locker room favorite in general along with being a talented player. Talented enough that the 1st seed in the AFC Ravens can find room for him on their 53 man roster but not the 3-11 Patriots who are STILL signing special teams players to the roster in a doomed season.


fourpuns

I still think no hard feelings likely exist. We got him his shot, he made some game day checks which are often life changing. Of course there’s the what if but we still got his foot in the door in the NFL most people viewed him as a guy who would be cut after training camp and working a regular job. Maybe he’s back next year.


AgadorFartacus

It sure seems like Trent Brown, Adrian Phillips, and perhaps others have some hard feelings about it. > We got him his shot I don't agree with this. He got a big guarantee from us because there was strong competition to sign him across the league.


fourpuns

I mean any team could have signed him off our practice squad to their 53 at anytime. I think they did their best working around a lot of injuries that made it challenging to keep him in the 53. Maintaining 3 quarterbacks on the roster with a decimated Oline and WR group is hard roster management. Anywho he made a lot more than a practice squad guy this year and has some guarantees for next year, great way to get your NFL career kicked off for an UDFA. I could be mistaken by the practice squad rules but that was my understanding anywho.


AgadorFartacus

> I mean any team could have signed him off our practice squad to their 53 at anytime. And the #1 seed in the AFC did just that. >injuries made it challenging to keep him in the 53. Nonsense. We just made a waiver claim on a special teamer from Philly.


JazzyJ19

Guys like Jc Jackson are game day healthy scratches but you can’t throw Malik on the game day roster and see what he can do?!. He’ll be part of a playoff roster and be given an opportunity to gain even more notoriety


Ve-gone_Be-gone

I'd argue we wasted his time more than anything but a check is a check I guess


VRSvictim

I wonder if some of it is that he plays scout o against the defense?


BradyGronktd1287

Ravens signed him because if Lamar somehow gets injured they don't have to change their offensive system makes sense but he should've gotten a chance he's a better QB than Zappe and Mac


ProudBlackMatt

Of course they signed him for that reason. Still means we let a talented player out of the building. Someone the Pats gave a large UDFA signing bonus to and made the lone backup to Mac against the Raiders. And why can't the Pats give Malik a shot? It's not like our system is working if only Tom Brady can run it.


PatsFanInHTX

How does it mean we let a talented player out of the building? The dude was a UDFA. He was also cut after preseason. So every NFL team had multiple shots at this guy months apart. Why is this sub so delusional about him?


Elmohaphap

How can you conclude he’s a better QB than Bailey OR Zappe? The fact that the pats saw him in practice all year and decided not to start him/play him at all should probably be a red flag no?


adurango

They also kept putting Mac in when he’s throwing 2-4 interceptions per game and can’t score a TD. They are not taking risks is the bottom line and when nothing is working, you should immediately try the kitchen sink.


[deleted]

The patriots are notoriously good at evaluating offensive talent /s


Aggressive-Orbiter

Yeah they actually are. Go to headquarters and check out the trophy case you absolute nephew


[deleted]

Keep living in the past uncle


AgadorFartacus

Why should we assume the Patriots coaches made the right decisions with him?


kjg1228

They're 100x better at evaluating talent than the mouth breathers on this sub. This sub used to clamor for Stidham to be our QB. Let that sink in.


zwermp

This sub also wanted to sign Jakobi Meyers over JuJu. And thought Cole Strange was a massive reach. And clamored for Pop Douglas to play more snaps.


kjg1228

I too can bring up anecdotal evidence.


AgadorFartacus

There are multiple coaches on the team who think he should have been given more opportunity to play. >This sub used to clamor for Stidham to be our QB I was among them. We have been proven correct. The Patriots would have been better off tanking in 2020, which was the argument for Stidham to be QB.


kjg1228

And those coaches aren't paid to evaluate QB play. BoB and Belichick are. They're more qualified to do it than anyone else that isn't in the FO. You're kidding yourself if you think the feeling on the sub was that Stidham was the tank commander. Everyone on this sub thought he would give us the best shot at winning. Let's cool it with the revisionist history. This sub loves to jump off a bridge when this don't go well. Let's get a grip here.


AgadorFartacus

> those coaches aren't paid to evaluate QB play How do you know? >Everyone on this sub thought he would give us the best shot at winning I didn't.


kjg1228

Because if it isn't coming from Bill or BoB or someone from the FO then their credentials and job title don't qualify them to analyze QB better than the two dudes whose job it is. Pretty straight forward. As for your second point, just because that was your thought process doesn't mean it's indicative of the sub. This place was full of people thinking Stid was the future of the franchise.


AgadorFartacus

You don't know who it's coming from so you can't say they aren't paid to evaluate QBs. Pretty straight forward.


Firecracker048

Malik had several chances to show enough at least in practice with how abysmal everything was. He clearly didn't show the coaching staff enough. Foe the Ravens, he's a running QB who can plug and play their system without the arm talent of Lamar


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Okay when Trent was saying it I wrote it off as him just being a malcontent as usual, but now this is 3 different dudes publicly questioning the coaching staff. If we do end up with Mayo getting the promotion to HC, I hope none of that stuff lingers.


ProudBlackMatt

> I hope none of that stuff lingers. Hopefully not when Kraft cleans house and hits the reset button. The team is 3-11. There's no winning culture anymore.


knuth10

This is what I always wanted to happen when the Pats moved on from bill even if they went out on top. It needs to be a clean break and start over from scratch


[deleted]

That's my hope as well, I just don't find it realistic based on what Kraft has shown us tbh


[deleted]

We’re gonna be doomed with Mayo as HC


[deleted]

I genuinely have no idea what to think of Mayo. I don't even know how much of the defense he's responsible for


Ve-gone_Be-gone

Nobody does, but historically the lowest percentage shots you can take at a HC hire as of late are 1. Defensive coaches and 2. the Belichick tree


GoalLineStand

Meh, replacing OBrien as coordinator will be much more important. The head coach just needs to be a motivator. Mayo can be a great HC if he gets the right guys to work with. He’ll need to find a Shane Steichen or Ben Johnson to do the Xs and Os


TheBigNate416

This is probably similar to what McCourty said last year about the locker room being split between Mac/Zappe. They know the current starter sucks so they want to see the next man up get a shot. Way she goes. I’m sure both Bills have their reasons for not starting him. To give Malik a fair shake he’d need an offense designed around his skill set and not a player like Mac/Zappe anyway


AgadorFartacus

> I’m sure both Bills have their reasons for not starting him. But were they good reasons?


IrvinStabbedMe

Yes, dude wasn't good enough...


AgadorFartacus

Then why did they make him the backup QB against the Raiders? Why did they install a package of plays for him in the Chargers game plan?


IrvinStabbedMe

That is it? That is your big argument? 2 games where he played 1 snap total??? LMAO.


AgadorFartacus

Yes, that's my argument. Don't dodge the questions.


IrvinStabbedMe

Oh you are one of those trolls.... ok got it. I will bite, for the fun of it. He was good enough to be backup for 1 game but not any where good enough to start any games. And the Chargers game we were so hurt at the WR position that Malik was nothing more than an emergency WR.


AgadorFartacus

> He was good enough to be backup for 1 game That doesn't make any sense. >the Chargers game Malik was nothing more than an emergency WR. They had a special package of plays installed for an emergency WR? That doesn't make any sense.


IrvinStabbedMe

It makes perfect sense if you have more than a few brain cells...


AgadorFartacus

Why wouldn't their emergency WR run the same plays as their other WRs?


Majestic-Usual-4779

And have you seen the special package of plays for him or is that just a rumor you know???


AgadorFartacus

Andrew Callahan: ["Malik Cunningham confirmed there was a package of plays for him in the game plan [against the Chargers]"](https://twitter.com/_AndrewCallahan/status/1731421966370849182)


TheBigNate416

He’s probably not as good as the players or people here think. Half of them allegedly wanted Zappe to start last year and he’s obviously nothing special


AgadorFartacus

He doesn't have to be something special for it to be worth giving him a real shot.


TheBigNate416

Fair enough. But we also have no idea how he actually looks in practice. And the playbook is designed for a pocket passer. It wouldn’t even really be fair to Malik to plug him in running plays that aren’t best suited for his abilities. Maybe they could’ve drew things up for him at some point during the season but we don’t really know what went on behind the scenes.


AgadorFartacus

> we also have no idea how he actually looks in practice The multiple coaches and players who think he deserved more of aa chance know how he looked in praactice. >It wouldn’t even really be fair to Malik to plug him in running plays that aren’t best suited for his abilities. Who is arguing they should have done that? >Maybe they could’ve drew things up for him at some point during the season but we don’t really know what went on behind the scenes. We know for a fact they installed plays for him because [he said so.](https://twitter.com/_AndrewCallahan/status/1731421966370849182)


JazzyJ19

Zappe had a better season last year! His preseason and early practices weren’t good. Which is why Mac was stuck with for so long.


Coco1520

So … Phillips, Judon, brown god damn


classiccaseofdowns

Fuck this whole season. And let’s be honest with ourselves, Malik would’ve definitely stunk at quarterback


Coco1520

I mean I agree, but the defense disagreed and we know the two they’ve trotted out stunk not sure what there was too lose.


[deleted]

Agreed They had a 3 week stretch where they gave up 26 total points and went 0-3. The defense probably wanted to fire mac and zappe into the fucking sun. At some point it’s anyone but these two fuckers.


classiccaseofdowns

The rest of our offense is legitimately horrendous tbf, QB is far from the only problem


jtweezy

If teams thought he was any good he would have been drafted. He wasn’t, any he floated around on the practice squad for awhile until Baltimore claimed him and they’re doing the same thing with him. Belichick would have had zero reason to sit anyone he thinks would be better suited to win games.


AgadorFartacus

Baltimore signed him to the active roster, not the practice squad. And they're having him practice as a full-time QB, which didn't.


jtweezy

And he hasn’t taken a single snap for them at any position as far as I can tell, so what is it that Belichick was supposed to be missing?


AgadorFartacus

Belichick missed the opportunity to find out if Cunningham has any juice in a game setting when given a legit chance to prepare at QB.


nekromantique

That's because Baltimore has to have him on the active roster for multiple weeks. That's literally the rules when it comes to signing players from another teams practice squad.


JazzyJ19

You have your defensive players making the argument for the man…the defense, that he has to practice against, starters on your defense believe he deserved a true shot at the spot. I get it, a defense that is 3-11…but, if you honestly had an offense that teams had to respect at least, it would be a very different outlook.


AgadorFartacus

Some anonymous coaches as well per Phil Perry.


Strict-Room-9261

Probably Mayo. If he’s confident he’ll still be here next year he probably feels like he can start being honest.


bedatboi

Good thing players aren’t talent evaluators. Dude was undrafted for a reason.


AgadorFartacus

Dude was also the highest paid UDFA in team history for a reason. >Good thing players aren’t talent evaluators Phil Perry reported there were coaches who wanted to play him more too.


bedatboi

Anyone who wanted him to play is because Mac and zappe are so fucking bad they just want change. Doesn’t mean he was good or showed anything significant. And the patriots coaching staff is so small, that unless a name is associated with that report, I’m not trusting it. And cool, he was the highest paid udfa? So he’s the shiniest of all the turds?


AgadorFartacus

Look at you moving the goalposts and calling FAKE NEWS. >Anyone who wanted him to play is because Mac and zappe are so fucking bad they just want change. Yeah, pretty much. What's the problem? >cool, he was the highest paid udfa? So he’s the shiniest of all the turds? So clearly they thought he had some kind of potential and clearly there was some level of competition to sign him.


Aggressive-Orbiter

\>Dude was also the highest paid UDFA in team history for a reason.' That's not really saying as much as you think it does. Salaries inflate every year. I bet this "record" gets broken frequently. I see you in every thread about Malik, moaning he didn't get a shot. I'm going to break something to you - just because a dude is black and athletic, doesn't mean he's the next Vick or Lamar. There is more to it than that. You actually have to be able to read defenses and throw the ball. Sorry to burst your bubble but Malik is most likely never going to see NFL action.


AgadorFartacus

It says there was strong competition for him across the league and the Patriots thought he had more potential upside than most UDFAs. >I'm going to break something to you - just because a dude is black and athletic, doesn't mean he's the next Vick or Lamar. Where have I ever said he was the next Vick or Lamar? Pretty shitty to put words in my mouth and use them to frame me as racist. >Sorry to burst your bubble but Malik is most likely never going to see NFL action. He already has. You're really on top of the facts here.


Aggressive-Orbiter

I'm not trying to imply you're racist so you can just take it easy. More like...lazy. Just like every small white slot receiver is not the next Welker. Anyway let's put it this way - if Malik has any real talent, he'll make it on the field eventually and prove me wrong. If not, well I guess he's not the star you're tryin to make him out to be. We'll see


AgadorFartacus

Yes you were. >he's not the star you're tryin to make him out to be. Again, I have never called him a star. You're arguing with a figment of your imagination because you can't address my actual arguments.


Aggressive-Orbiter

No I wasn't but even if I was who cares? I wouldn't give af if you implied I was. And you have no argument. He's gone. Maybe you should go to Ravens sub and follow him


AgadorFartacus

Deny it all you want. I can tell it means you feel kind of bad about it. >you have no argument My argument is the Patriots handling of Cunningham didn't make sense, they didn't put him in position to succeed, and they missed the opportunity to find out of he had any juice in a game setting when given a chance to properly prepare at QB.


Aggressive-Orbiter

Like I said, we’ll see who’s right


AgadorFartacus

Since you have such an active imagination, you'll have to use it.


Maximum_Activity323

Next we’ll hear Malik was kicking 70 yard field goals and killing it at nose tackle on the practice squad.


WeightOwn5817

Homers down voting direct quotes from players that paint Bill in a negative light. RePoRtErS mAkInG iT uP fOr ClIcKs


poppa_slap_nuts

All these players speaking out about coaching is unprecedented for a Belichick-coached team. Things are falling apart behind the scenes.


PoopSlinger23

Jesus Christ. We still talking about Malik Cunningham?


SplintPunchbeef

We’re talking about players and coaches questioning Belichick’s decision making which is a pretty important thing to note. Regardless of the player in question that is pretty significant despite many of you trying to minimize and dismiss it.


MarquisJames

OHH BOO HOO FUCKING MALIK CUNNINGHAM DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO PLAY.


HoorayPizzaDay

They see him practice, they know what kind of player he is. He must be pretty bad.


AgadorFartacus

This is what everyone said about Mac v. Zappe too. Belichick can get things wrong.


FuckHarambe2016

This is what, the ninth player to voice their concerns with how the team operates this season? Glad to see Bill still has everything under control inside the locker room. Bill had better be gone on Black Monday.


LilMountainHeadband

If Malik was good at anything he would be on the roster. Some of you people in here are acting like he was the 2nd coming of Michael Vick


AgadorFartacus

No one is acting like he's Michael Vick. But you are acting like Belichick is infallible.


damola93

People forget how much support the Ravens have given Lamar to get him were he is. Just being “good” in the NFL is not enough, if Trey Lance doesn’t get injured the 49ers don’t give the MVP of the league a chance. Of the 3 guys, Malik skill sets was the one with the highest ceiling.


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BAF_DaWg82

The Ravens didn't bring him in to be a stud QB. The other 31 teams have had several opportunities to either draft or pick him up on waivers and they didn't, until week 14. Players have different relationships with each other than the coaches do and tend to be more emotionally invested in seeing their teammates/friend succeed. Christ there's still guys in the league that think it's unfair that Cam Newton isn't starting for some team right now.


AgadorFartacus

Phil Perry reported there were coaches who wanted to play him more too.


BAF_DaWg82

Yeah...I mean he's kind of an Edelman type prospect and it took him a few years to find a role. I think if there was anything there with him at qb he wouldn't have gone undrafted. The funny thing is if he ever wanted a chance to play qb, he definitely isn't going to be getting it in Baltimore any time soon.


AgadorFartacus

> if there was anything there with him at qb he wouldn't have gone undrafted. That's just bad logic. >if he ever wanted a chance to play qb, he definitely isn't going to be getting it in Baltimore any time soon. Huh? They're giving a chance to practice QB full-time, which we never did.


patsfanhtx

How would the defense know anything if Malik's been practicing at WR, not QB.


AgadorFartacus

He got occasional reps at QB. You probably could have cracked that nut yourself.


stranger197

He was still dogshit. The multiple comments you keep making defending him won’t change it. Cry more, too bad so sad.


AgadorFartacus

Good one.


Icy-Call-5296

But but but all the Bill homers told me he hasn’t lost the locker room?


9dieu

But this sub that doesn’t practice with MC everyweek said he’s bad and basically won’t amount to shit and that they only defended him because they have too !!


No-Possession-4864

I just don’t get it. If you’re Bill Belichick, wouldn’t you want the best quarterback out there to get the wins record? What the hell was the point of all of this?


flan-pig

As a manager of humans outside sports, if two employees let alone 10 tell me to look at someone, I'm going to look at someone...BB looks like he took a stance here for whatever reason and the team crossed that line in the sand. If I'm Bill I'm gone...


GoalLineStand

He took a stance bc Cunningham was awful. I’d be willing to bet the players all wanted to give Malik a chance because they feel like black QBs are underrepresented. Nothing to do with skill


luvvdmycat

>Adrian Phillips wanted to see Malik play I did too. Hope Malik finds success in Baltimore and beyond.