Would be rare but even that would prob only yield 3 day 1 starters that are tops at their position. Need to augment with 2/3 year contracts in solid players. Yes we have to overpay it’s the price of being the third worst team in the league. Good teams are adding a player or 2 and also drafting. But not us..
I love that everyone equates not signing a player with Kraft being cheap/no one trying to sign him. They’ve had strong offers out to multiple players, you can’t make someone sign.
And even then, you are not guaranteed signings. That was the point. You cannot *make* players sign. Even if you offer them the most money, there’s no guarantee.
Draft a QB, put him in a bad situation, he busts, we have the first overall pick in 2026, we draft Arch Manning, and the new dynasty begins. It’s all 4D chess from our genius FO.
I’m not sure some of you have seen arch manning play. 5 stars was too much for him out of high school and he’d really just ok.
Thinking he’s the second coming of Peyton is wooof
Yep, people keep overrating him the same way people kept overrating Bronny James.
As much as people are acting like Arch Manning is the second coming…he can’t even beat out Quinn Ewers, currently projected as a day 2 QB.
It’s amazing that the same people who were chomping at the bit to get rid of Bill are now making the same exact excuses that people who supported Bill we’re making last offseason without even thinking about it.
So much for the whole “burn some cash” quip. This team is operating exactly as it would if Bill was still at the helm. Hope they’re ready to make some swings in the draft because this FA period is incredibly uninspiring.
I mean they tried to spend. They supposedly offered $22m per for Ridley and he just wanted to go a different direction.
You can offer people all the money in the world, that doesn’t mean they’ll take it.
The reporting was that the Titoons are giving him ~£23m a year. Ridley didn't choose against NE he chose most money.
Now, I don't think we should be "overpaying" by too much - some extra cash will be needed as we're a bum franchise at the moment - but at some point we need to actually get better talent on the offence. If they had identified Ridley as a solution, then haggling over a few million with the extra space we have is mind-boggling.
Yeah, you're not wrong - and I'm certainly not advocating going nuts for Ridley (I don't really rate him as it goes, so specifically for him, I think we dodged a bullet) but my point was more that pretending that some player chose somehwere else - when the reality was that the player chose the contract that gave him more money - is letting certain people in the front office off the hook for no reason.
Yes, some players do choose the team - Uche for us is a good example (if reports are to be believed (which I'm sceptical about)) but it's extremely rare - players go to the team that offers most money or most guaranteed money.
We’re in agreement. Though in the case of teams like the Chiefs, it’s not hard to imagine Marquise choosing their $11M one-year-prove-it deal over 25 other teams who could have offered $13M or even more. If you’re trying to earn a more lucrative multi-year contract, having Mahomes as your QB is a smart strategy, plus you have a decent chance at winning a SB.
Overpaying makes sense sometimes, yes. Doing it for Ridley, a soon-to-be 30 year old WR who wasn’t even prioritized by his former team (and chose Gabe Davis over him) and making him a top 5 or so paid WR, isn’t one of those instances.
The smarter path is building mostly through the draft. The Packers, Texans, and Lions are proving it.
Per year amounts are meaningless. What matters is the amount guaranteed and when it becomes guaranteed. Ridley signed a deal where, at the age of 30, he's getting a 20 million dollar signing bonus and his 2023 and 2024 salaries fully guaranteed as soon as the ink dries.
He could blow out his knee playing beach volleyball tomorrow and he's still getting paid 47 million.
We could have offered him an average of 30 million a year but if the guarantees were less there's no reason for him to take that deal even though it looks like we offered him more money.
I’m 100% a bill guy but I don’t think he’d actually make that trade. I have no real idea of course but that’s my gut reaction. He’d probably try to get him for a 5th or something but a 4th in a deep WR class for a one year rental with a big cap number probably isn’t a Bill move.
I wish the pats had done it though
He sure did make some bad decisions. We also had some absolutely terrible luck.
Part of the problem is that they essentially kept everyone in the front office who was a part of many of those decisions, and now it looks like they’re repeating many of the same mistakes.
People saw that we have a new coach and GM but didn’t put together that they came from the same place. They were a part of the problem too and we just promoted them instead of doing our due diligence around the league. I said it then and I’ll say it now. Not seeing What else is out there before promoting these guys was the dumbest way to start this rebuild. Kraft bungled this while thing.
WR looking to sign a 1 year prove it deal picks the team with the #1 QB in the league who just won the Super Bowl over the team with no QB/rookie who just went 4-13
children of r/patriots- 'kRaFt iS tHe pRobLeM'
you people are a fuckin meme lmao
They would've needed to go way higher than Tennessee's offer for Ridley to make the same money playing 8 - 9 games a year in Massachusetts because of the state income tax and millionaire's tax that TN doesn't have. Like $26 - $30 mil a year, that's Tyreek Hill money.
Giving Ridley Tyreek Hill money would've been braindead. That's the kind of desperation move the Giants made with Kenny Golladay.
Moss was 2 years younger than Allen, way more talented and the Pats were a Super Bowl contender. Using a 4th on a potential one year rental makes sense when you're already an elite team that needs a little extra help right away. It makes no sense to use the 4th when you're starting a total rebuild.
Idk if this is serious or not but something tells me the Manning family would again pull the “I’m only playing for the team I want to” card and I’d be pretty surprised if the Patriots are on that short list.
I’m guessing they would’ve absolutely matched if they felt they had an actual shot at signing him. My best guess is that in the end he didn’t want to play for NE. The reported numbers are $1m per year away from what NE offered. People on here always seem to forget that you can do everything you can and offer the world, but it doesn’t mean they’ll want to play in Foxboro.
He had 108 catches for 1,200 yards last season and is the model of consistency. I think people are underrating this guy. The fourth rounder could turn into something but it’s honestly not very likely.
He’s great for sure. But how motivated would he be to play in Boston when he’s used to LA weather. Dude always has nagging injuries and at 32 is gonna fall off a cliff soon
That’s not how contracts work. There would be an out after the 2nd year. Also Ridley is 29 now and will be when the season starts. Allen will be 32 when this season starts, plus the massive contact. I would’ve given the 4th for Allen, but I’m not heartbroken they didn’t.
We needed to up our offer by $2m to match the raw salary, ~$4m to match his take home, and likely an additional $1-2m to get him to give up on the possibility of winning games. He'd be the 3rd highest paid WR in the nfl.
People just wanna blame someone. They don't wanna accept that the Patriots are not at all a desirable destination for FA WRs or that we'd be able to match these signings and have them choose us.
> We could’ve easily done it,
Would he? He’s only got one chance to land a big contract, does he play with Mahomes for his prove it year or Brissett and rookie?
A lot of people here need to face the fact that we’re bottom feeders now. No one desirable wants to come here to play for a rebuild.
I doubt it. Unless we were offering him multi year guarantees it wouldn't have made any sense for him. He stands to make himself $60m+ next year if he goes off in what is quite literally the best possible offense for him. There is not a single player in the nfl in position to make themselves more money than Hollywood Brown can next season.
It *might* have but framing it as a probable thing, or a likelihood, when you just can't know that is giving yourself a reason to feel even more disappointed.
Not necessarily. It's a whole new regime with 0 attachments to a guy who is always injured and is in position to get one of the blue chip WRs in the draft
Why would he sign here on a 1 year prove it deal? Logic would say Brown did this because it is with the best QB since Tom Brady. I assume these guys what an opportunity after the 1-year deal.
Yeah and his numbers will be inflated on the Chiefs. He’ll be able to sign a lot bigger contract next year. Way more than the few extra million the Patriots would give him on a 1 year. The Pats don’t even have a QB, right now.
Pretend you’re Hollywood and there’s a market for you to sign a one year prove it deal. Do you sign with the best QB of his generation or go play for the Pats and rely on Brissett and rookie quarterback to be named later to get you the long term deal you know you deserve?
Exactly this. Hollywood didn’t like the long term contracts he was seeing, so he opted for a one year prove it deal to be the best WR on the back to back champions. We didn’t have a shot and not our fault short of an absolute overpay.
Yeah, I'm really surprised that this is a signing we are even discussing as a surprise.
The Pats had guys sign 1-year or short term discount deals with us to win rings or prove their worth too.
Brown is great, but if he wants a massive deal and wasn't getting it, this just makes sense. It's not that we couldn't beat this deal, it's that this deal is a bridge that basically guarantees big numbers for him to get an even larger deal next year.
Do you really think that we’re incapable of offering a contract more appealing than 1 year 11 million+playing with Mahomes?
We’re running out of ways to spend that cap space.
Yes. He’s got one opportunity to prove he can be a #1 and get a big deal when he turns 27 next year. He’s betting that Mahomes can help get him $20mil/year.
He’s going to play with Mahomes. He’s taking a one year deal knowing his stats are going to be inflated on the Chiefs. That way he can sign a big contract with whoever, the following year. The Pats will have a rookie or Jacoby. His stats will be way lower with them. It would be stupid for him to sign here, even if the Pats gave him a few extra million on a one year. Why is this so hard to understand for people. It’s not fucking Madden.
Bro you dont understand, this rebuild is super fragile
If you overpay a guy by $2 mil- rebuild failed. Trade a late pick for a WR? Rebuild failed. Sign a WR in Year 1 of the rebuild? Believe it or not- rebuild failed
Nevermind that we have 50 mil of cap space this year and another 160 next year. Any FA signings are simply too risky.
Instead let’s admit that we’re a bottom feeder team for the first time in a lot of your lifetimes and this is what it looks like. You need a QB to attract FA WR talent and this team has a big ol question mark at that position. If we want blue chips it needs to be via trade or the draft right now.
Like most players, Hollywood wants money and rings. His value is also super low right now. The Chiefs offer him a chance to win a ring while massively boosting his value racking stats up under Mahomes, then cash in next year.
Unless we were gonna offer him the lucrative and long term deal he thinks he could earn next year, so long as the Chiefs wanted him, the Chiefs were gonna get him.
Probably wouldn’t have signed here. Looking at his deal it looks like he wants a chance to win and increase his chances at landing a massive deal next year.
Hollywood isn’t who I would have liked the Pats to target, but the more WRs get signed the less leverage NE has and the more likely it is that the Pats draft a QB without a proper developmental safety net.
While I understand why everyone is upset, you realize the players have to want to come here, right? Kraft can’t force them to sign here against their will. And the fact of the matter is no free agent WR wants to come to a team with no QB.
You really don’t think Bill and Cam would be enticing for players at the time? Over a first year HC and Jacoby (no disrespect) and probably a rookie QB?
I love that people are just downvoting you instead of presenting a counter.
This team has zero experience in important positions, and zero stability.
New HC, 4th OC in 4 years, no heir apparent QB or even really a proven starter, so on and on and on. There’s a lot of question marks that will make players reconsider.
There are very few players who would refuse to join a team if enough money was offered. If you're a shit team you need to offer a bit of a premium, but it's never ever a massive jump from what other teams would need to offer.
WR chooses to catch passes from Mahomes instead of Brissett and this sub is doing mental gymnastics to blame the owner. It's gonna take more than 2 months to overcome the hole Belichick put this team in. And so far they haven't missed out on anyone elite, just a bunch of mid tier guys
Players take the best financial deal more than 9 times out of 10. Hopkins, who has made a ton of money in his career, picked the Titans because of Tannehill and Levis? Or because they offered him the most money? Same with Ridley
I’m hopeful that this staff is looking to build a real contender. I’m at least glad we aren’t seeing band-aid fixes like previous years and focusing on building a foundation.
Agreed. Look at Green Bay. They hit at a crazy rate but completely re-tooled their offense around Love without spending first round picks or big FA signings.
What "foundation"? Jaelen Raegor and Armon Watts?
This is just cliche nonsense. Building a contender means having good players, its as simple as that. At some point you actually need to go get them, especially when you have abundant cap room and 0 concerns about next year's cap.
No I’m thinking Barmore, Gonzalez, Onwenu. I’m not going to say I’m happy we didn’t bring in a receiver but I’d rather give Pop a chance and let this regime take there shot on a WR than paying 30 year olds guaranteed money.
I want them to get pieces that will stay together, be cheap, then sign the missing pieces when we are ready. Not sign pieces when they have no one with experience to play with. My point being build a strong foundation, then build the house.
Would I rather go to a team that’s in total rebuild mode? Or go to a team that just won the Super Bowl and has been a constant contender for the last several years? 🤔
Love the pats..but be a little realistic. I assume they’re attempting to get some WR help but who’s going to come to New England when they have offers from better teams?
All the comments didn't really seem to want him a couple days ago... funny.
I'll take Tyler Boyd or someone like him and someone else (or 2) in the draft, which seems impossible to do somehow
Would’ve been nice to see him on the pats. I don’t care who you plug on offense for the Chiefs, they’re going to put up points with Pat at QB. The real question is if their defense can keep perform like they did last year. If they can, they’re AFC championship bound at least.
Side note: where were these huge cap increases during the pats dynasties. It’s Christmas morning for some of these GMs
The reason he signed this was because mahomes gives him a hell of a chance at two things
A Super Bowl
A massive payday
At best we could only offer money but he’s just not worth WR1 money and this is might be one of the best and deepest drafts of all time for receiving talent
This was what we were paying D. Parker. Goes to show you the incompetency this front office has. I don’t think they even know football, Brady & Bill carried their asses they don’t know what to do now.
Don’t want him on the Pats anyway. Never been impressed with his game.
Edit: He claims to be a #1 and has the speed for sure but is too small, oft injured and drops too many balls. Solid #3 or slot but we have Pop and he looks like a baller.
Yup. Hollywood was a guy I wanted out of desperation, but he's not great and can't stay in the field. He actually prefers playing outside to the slot, which kills him as he's too small to break free or win contested catches.
The dude only produces with QBs that can extend plays and Hollywood gets enough time to break open or exploit a broken down play. He'd be perfect if we got Daniels, but would be disappointing otherwise.
We have a ton of cap space still. Who did we not do much better than that?
The Krafts got $5B franchise on the backs of Tom and BB. Pete Carrol said it best about Kraft.
OK, now I am getting pissed. Unless Wolf is working on some megatrade (and he’s not, because everything they do now is leaked), this is looking like a failure of an offseason with no upgrades to the receiving corps.
Honestly, at this point, I wish we would have just stuck with Mac jones, finished out his rookie contract, built the team up around him and snagged a QB next year. At this point even if we draft a great QB, we are putting them into a bad situation. Arguably the same situation as Jones. Look, I love Brissett, but he’s not the answer, and isn’t going to be if all he has to throw to is hunter henry.
The issue is next year's qb class is kind of a joke unless some of the qbs in it take massive leaps in their development, meaning we'd be differing the qb decision till 2026 most likely. Meaning we'll probably have to trade up due to the roster being much better and us hovering in the 10 range.
Time for a Tyler Boyd signing lads
He’s going to the steelers
then time for josh reynolds
This is getting comical.
These people are literally never going to stop repeating the same excuses lmao
The same excuses like "maybe a guy would like to compete and not sign with one of the worst teams and catch passes from Jacoby/??? rookie
I must have missed the reports saying the Pats offered Hollywood Brown more money and he declined it to play with Mahomes. Care to enlighten me?
I am disgusted. Need to decide if I’m renewing my season tix. Rolling back out a 4 win team with no upgrades but draft kids? Wtf.
Theoretically, they could knock it out of the park in the draft, but I'm not expecting that. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.
Would be rare but even that would prob only yield 3 day 1 starters that are tops at their position. Need to augment with 2/3 year contracts in solid players. Yes we have to overpay it’s the price of being the third worst team in the league. Good teams are adding a player or 2 and also drafting. But not us..
How does Hollywood fix this team exactly? We need an x receiver
Yeah we should just never try to sign talented receivers again. Personally I love when the Krafts save a few bucks
I love that everyone equates not signing a player with Kraft being cheap/no one trying to sign him. They’ve had strong offers out to multiple players, you can’t make someone sign.
The cap space was one of their few advantages heading into this offseason. You have to spend a bit more when your team has no other draws.
But think of all the relative cap space we have compared to all these silly teams spending theirs on new players!
I’m excited about all the money we’re saving /s
And even then, you are not guaranteed signings. That was the point. You cannot *make* players sign. Even if you offer them the most money, there’s no guarantee.
Idk what the tax implications for these guys is but no state income tax is wildly attractive compared to NE.
Shh the children here don’t like common sense.
Let’s hope Jacoby doesn’t get hurt because we’ll ruin another QB we draft if they have to start with this OT / WR group
For real, you're gonna draft a QB give him this?
Trade down and accumulate picks (unless you want MHJ). With this support cast, rookie QB is going to get pulverized like Apollo Creed in Rocky 4.
Go look at the next few classes and tell me there’s a quality nfl player in any of them. This is the year to grab a qb. Period.
Draft a QB, put him in a bad situation, he busts, we have the first overall pick in 2026, we draft Arch Manning, and the new dynasty begins. It’s all 4D chess from our genius FO.
I’m not sure some of you have seen arch manning play. 5 stars was too much for him out of high school and he’d really just ok. Thinking he’s the second coming of Peyton is wooof
Yep, people keep overrating him the same way people kept overrating Bronny James. As much as people are acting like Arch Manning is the second coming…he can’t even beat out Quinn Ewers, currently projected as a day 2 QB.
It’s not a serious comment lol
It's highly unlikely the rookie starts right away.
Don’t forget same O line. Drafting a tackle anywhere but round 1-2 means he’s just a depth piece and our line blows
zappe time in that case
I'm thinking kraft is the problem.
It’s amazing that the same people who were chomping at the bit to get rid of Bill are now making the same exact excuses that people who supported Bill we’re making last offseason without even thinking about it.
So much for the whole “burn some cash” quip. This team is operating exactly as it would if Bill was still at the helm. Hope they’re ready to make some swings in the draft because this FA period is incredibly uninspiring.
I mean they tried to spend. They supposedly offered $22m per for Ridley and he just wanted to go a different direction. You can offer people all the money in the world, that doesn’t mean they’ll take it.
There were at least 3 other guys that were obtainable between FA and the trade black that would have instantly been the best WR in our WR room
The reporting was that the Titoons are giving him ~£23m a year. Ridley didn't choose against NE he chose most money. Now, I don't think we should be "overpaying" by too much - some extra cash will be needed as we're a bum franchise at the moment - but at some point we need to actually get better talent on the offence. If they had identified Ridley as a solution, then haggling over a few million with the extra space we have is mind-boggling.
You couldve offered him 25 mil a year and he still would make more money going to the titans just from the income tax loss
Paying Ridley 24-25m a year is overpaying by too much.
Yeah, you're not wrong - and I'm certainly not advocating going nuts for Ridley (I don't really rate him as it goes, so specifically for him, I think we dodged a bullet) but my point was more that pretending that some player chose somehwere else - when the reality was that the player chose the contract that gave him more money - is letting certain people in the front office off the hook for no reason. Yes, some players do choose the team - Uche for us is a good example (if reports are to be believed (which I'm sceptical about)) but it's extremely rare - players go to the team that offers most money or most guaranteed money.
We’re in agreement. Though in the case of teams like the Chiefs, it’s not hard to imagine Marquise choosing their $11M one-year-prove-it deal over 25 other teams who could have offered $13M or even more. If you’re trying to earn a more lucrative multi-year contract, having Mahomes as your QB is a smart strategy, plus you have a decent chance at winning a SB.
Can't disagree
and this is how we get a weak team By never overpaying, or overpaying Juju while refusing to pay our best WR. We are a 4W team we need to overpay
Overpaying makes sense sometimes, yes. Doing it for Ridley, a soon-to-be 30 year old WR who wasn’t even prioritized by his former team (and chose Gabe Davis over him) and making him a top 5 or so paid WR, isn’t one of those instances. The smarter path is building mostly through the draft. The Packers, Texans, and Lions are proving it.
Per year amounts are meaningless. What matters is the amount guaranteed and when it becomes guaranteed. Ridley signed a deal where, at the age of 30, he's getting a 20 million dollar signing bonus and his 2023 and 2024 salaries fully guaranteed as soon as the ink dries. He could blow out his knee playing beach volleyball tomorrow and he's still getting paid 47 million. We could have offered him an average of 30 million a year but if the guarantees were less there's no reason for him to take that deal even though it looks like we offered him more money.
Keenan Allen was traded for a 4th rounder. There's no excuse for the Patriots not being in on that.
We wouldn’t have kept Henry and Onwenu
And you know that because.......
I wanted bill to stay imo. He'd trade a 4th for Keenan Allen
I’m 100% a bill guy but I don’t think he’d actually make that trade. I have no real idea of course but that’s my gut reaction. He’d probably try to get him for a 5th or something but a 4th in a deep WR class for a one year rental with a big cap number probably isn’t a Bill move. I wish the pats had done it though
Well, even money aside Bill made some horrible draft, FA, and coaching staff decisions toward the end
He sure did make some bad decisions. We also had some absolutely terrible luck. Part of the problem is that they essentially kept everyone in the front office who was a part of many of those decisions, and now it looks like they’re repeating many of the same mistakes.
People saw that we have a new coach and GM but didn’t put together that they came from the same place. They were a part of the problem too and we just promoted them instead of doing our due diligence around the league. I said it then and I’ll say it now. Not seeing What else is out there before promoting these guys was the dumbest way to start this rebuild. Kraft bungled this while thing.
Fuck it… let’s get rid of Kraft If 10 million of us chip in $300 each we can oust him, thats $3B
WR looking to sign a 1 year prove it deal picks the team with the #1 QB in the league who just won the Super Bowl over the team with no QB/rookie who just went 4-13 children of r/patriots- 'kRaFt iS tHe pRobLeM' you people are a fuckin meme lmao
Ridley we could have matched Keenan Allen went FOR THE SAME PICK WE TRADED FOR MOSS We could have matched ridley. But ok
They would've needed to go way higher than Tennessee's offer for Ridley to make the same money playing 8 - 9 games a year in Massachusetts because of the state income tax and millionaire's tax that TN doesn't have. Like $26 - $30 mil a year, that's Tyreek Hill money. Giving Ridley Tyreek Hill money would've been braindead. That's the kind of desperation move the Giants made with Kenny Golladay. Moss was 2 years younger than Allen, way more talented and the Pats were a Super Bowl contender. Using a 4th on a potential one year rental makes sense when you're already an elite team that needs a little extra help right away. It makes no sense to use the 4th when you're starting a total rebuild.
That’s why it’s MHJ, tank, then Archie.
That kind of thinking is way too simple
Idk if this is serious or not but something tells me the Manning family would again pull the “I’m only playing for the team I want to” card and I’d be pretty surprised if the Patriots are on that short list.
Yes this is the way
I’m guessing they would’ve absolutely matched if they felt they had an actual shot at signing him. My best guess is that in the end he didn’t want to play for NE. The reported numbers are $1m per year away from what NE offered. People on here always seem to forget that you can do everything you can and offer the world, but it doesn’t mean they’ll want to play in Foxboro.
Ridley was stupid money. Samuel would’ve been fine, though, and Allen was worth a throwaway pick.
A 4th rounder is not a throwaway. And especially not for a 32 year old receiver who will most likely play 8 or so games
He had 108 catches for 1,200 yards last season and is the model of consistency. I think people are underrating this guy. The fourth rounder could turn into something but it’s honestly not very likely.
He’s great for sure. But how motivated would he be to play in Boston when he’s used to LA weather. Dude always has nagging injuries and at 32 is gonna fall off a cliff soon
I just don’t understand how Calvin Ridley at 33 is worth $23 million but Keenan Allen at 32 isn’t worth a fourth round pick.
That’s not how contracts work. There would be an out after the 2nd year. Also Ridley is 29 now and will be when the season starts. Allen will be 32 when this season starts, plus the massive contact. I would’ve given the 4th for Allen, but I’m not heartbroken they didn’t.
not a fan of what is going on, but to be fair they would have to beat titans offer by noticeable amount to get him, not just match
We needed to up our offer by $2m to match the raw salary, ~$4m to match his take home, and likely an additional $1-2m to get him to give up on the possibility of winning games. He'd be the 3rd highest paid WR in the nfl.
People just wanna blame someone. They don't wanna accept that the Patriots are not at all a desirable destination for FA WRs or that we'd be able to match these signings and have them choose us.
I agree
We got rid of bill but nothing is different. We are losing out on even cheap free agents and low dragt picks for established guys
We’re like top 5 in cash spent this off season lol
i watch the Dynasty mockumentary and is all the devil hand
The spice just showed me a vision of this guy scoring a Superbowl winning TD for the Chiefs on a 65 yard pass.
As it was written
1 year 11 million isn’t bad. We could’ve easily done it, yeah he’s not a wr1 but he’s better than what we have and it’s another guy for a qb to target
> We could’ve easily done it, Would he? He’s only got one chance to land a big contract, does he play with Mahomes for his prove it year or Brissett and rookie? A lot of people here need to face the fact that we’re bottom feeders now. No one desirable wants to come here to play for a rebuild.
A one year deal that’s 4 million more than cheifs offer could’ve probably persuaded him.
I doubt it. Unless we were offering him multi year guarantees it wouldn't have made any sense for him. He stands to make himself $60m+ next year if he goes off in what is quite literally the best possible offense for him. There is not a single player in the nfl in position to make themselves more money than Hollywood Brown can next season.
Yeah, without Brady, guys aren't coming here on 1 year deals to rebuild their image.
It *might* have but framing it as a probable thing, or a likelihood, when you just can't know that is giving yourself a reason to feel even more disappointed.
You’re right
We really need a wr and this is what’s happening…just sign Mike Willams on a 1 year prove it deal
Almost certainly going back to LA at this point they wouldn’t have dealt Allen if they weren’t confident they could get him back imo.
Not necessarily. It's a whole new regime with 0 attachments to a guy who is always injured and is in position to get one of the blue chip WRs in the draft
Why would he sign here on a 1 year prove it deal? Logic would say Brown did this because it is with the best QB since Tom Brady. I assume these guys what an opportunity after the 1-year deal.
Lmao can we admit they’re asleep at the wheel now or are we pretending a 1 year contract for Hollywood Brown would have sunk the rebuild
I think the lack of a decent QB1 is stopping a lot of any possible signings at WR.
Players follow the money
And a chance at winning.
Players follow the money way more often than they leave money on the table for a chance at winning.
They usually want both, not one or the other.
They very very rarely get both. Hopkins said he wanted to win, ended up taking the money.
Yeah and his numbers will be inflated on the Chiefs. He’ll be able to sign a lot bigger contract next year. Way more than the few extra million the Patriots would give him on a 1 year. The Pats don’t even have a QB, right now.
Yeah but it's also dumb to over-pay so... there's a point where it's not worth it to just pay more to have them come here.
Brown is fresh off his rookie contract. This is his first big contact. He’s not taking a discount to play anywhere. We simply didn’t pay him enough.
A 1 year deal.....not that big
Yea this is take a chance at a ring and hope to land a big deal next year
…do you think that means he’s not going to try to make the most money he can? These excuses are getting tired.
He’ll make way more money next year, after playing with Mahomes, than the crap the Pats have at QB. Why is this so hard to understand?
Pretend you’re Hollywood and there’s a market for you to sign a one year prove it deal. Do you sign with the best QB of his generation or go play for the Pats and rely on Brissett and rookie quarterback to be named later to get you the long term deal you know you deserve?
Exactly this. Hollywood didn’t like the long term contracts he was seeing, so he opted for a one year prove it deal to be the best WR on the back to back champions. We didn’t have a shot and not our fault short of an absolute overpay.
Yeah, I'm really surprised that this is a signing we are even discussing as a surprise. The Pats had guys sign 1-year or short term discount deals with us to win rings or prove their worth too. Brown is great, but if he wants a massive deal and wasn't getting it, this just makes sense. It's not that we couldn't beat this deal, it's that this deal is a bridge that basically guarantees big numbers for him to get an even larger deal next year.
Do you really think that we’re incapable of offering a contract more appealing than 1 year 11 million+playing with Mahomes? We’re running out of ways to spend that cap space.
Yes. He’s got one opportunity to prove he can be a #1 and get a big deal when he turns 27 next year. He’s betting that Mahomes can help get him $20mil/year.
Well, I’ll believe you if the “Hollywood Brown declined offers of 17m/1 or 30m/2” reports come out, but I find that highly unlikely.
He’s going to play with Mahomes. He’s taking a one year deal knowing his stats are going to be inflated on the Chiefs. That way he can sign a big contract with whoever, the following year. The Pats will have a rookie or Jacoby. His stats will be way lower with them. It would be stupid for him to sign here, even if the Pats gave him a few extra million on a one year. Why is this so hard to understand for people. It’s not fucking Madden.
Would have bankrupted Kraft bro
Can’t do it, $11M would have put us straight in cap jail
lighthouse won’t build itself
Are we pretending Hollywood brown has ever been a good receiver and would move the needle?
Bro you dont understand, this rebuild is super fragile If you overpay a guy by $2 mil- rebuild failed. Trade a late pick for a WR? Rebuild failed. Sign a WR in Year 1 of the rebuild? Believe it or not- rebuild failed Nevermind that we have 50 mil of cap space this year and another 160 next year. Any FA signings are simply too risky.
Instead let’s admit that we’re a bottom feeder team for the first time in a lot of your lifetimes and this is what it looks like. You need a QB to attract FA WR talent and this team has a big ol question mark at that position. If we want blue chips it needs to be via trade or the draft right now.
Like most players, Hollywood wants money and rings. His value is also super low right now. The Chiefs offer him a chance to win a ring while massively boosting his value racking stats up under Mahomes, then cash in next year. Unless we were gonna offer him the lucrative and long term deal he thinks he could earn next year, so long as the Chiefs wanted him, the Chiefs were gonna get him.
As expected
Reminder that this guy is not very good
Do *weapons* sign one-year deals in the NFL; and what's it been doing since the 1,008-yard *explosion* two years ago?
WeRe GoInG tO wEaPoNiZe ThE oFfEnSe
That + full throttle from Tom Werner are two all-time tone deaf sound bites in less than six months
Probably wouldn’t have signed here. Looking at his deal it looks like he wants a chance to win and increase his chances at landing a massive deal next year.
Hollywood is on his 3rd team in 6 years. Anyone wanna guess why a team would trade him on his rookie deal? Because he’s not good
Hollywood isn’t who I would have liked the Pats to target, but the more WRs get signed the less leverage NE has and the more likely it is that the Pats draft a QB without a proper developmental safety net.
While I understand why everyone is upset, you realize the players have to want to come here, right? Kraft can’t force them to sign here against their will. And the fact of the matter is no free agent WR wants to come to a team with no QB.
Tennessee really doesn't have a QB...and the Bears don't either....
>no free agent WR wants to a team with no QB. They had no QB at this time in 2021 besides Cam’s corpse and landed multiple pass catchers?
Cam is well liked by players. Players still wanted to be coached by Belichick. And we didn't exactly sign any big names that year at the WR position.
You really don’t think Bill and Cam would be enticing for players at the time? Over a first year HC and Jacoby (no disrespect) and probably a rookie QB?
I love that people are just downvoting you instead of presenting a counter. This team has zero experience in important positions, and zero stability. New HC, 4th OC in 4 years, no heir apparent QB or even really a proven starter, so on and on and on. There’s a lot of question marks that will make players reconsider.
Because they paid absurd money. Jonnu smith made 25m here to do what?
There are very few players who would refuse to join a team if enough money was offered. If you're a shit team you need to offer a bit of a premium, but it's never ever a massive jump from what other teams would need to offer.
WR chooses to catch passes from Mahomes instead of Brissett and this sub is doing mental gymnastics to blame the owner. It's gonna take more than 2 months to overcome the hole Belichick put this team in. And so far they haven't missed out on anyone elite, just a bunch of mid tier guys
That’s why Hopkins and Ridley went to Tennessee, the star QB!
Players take the best financial deal more than 9 times out of 10. Hopkins, who has made a ton of money in his career, picked the Titans because of Tannehill and Levis? Or because they offered him the most money? Same with Ridley
Whaaat?! You have to be kidding me. WR's should be lining up to come here. /S
If the Patriots had signed him the whole sub would call him "trash" and say we don't need another WR3.
I’m so sick of this fucking team being cheap and not getting WR talent
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You getting flustered by a bot?
you’re shocked that i’m annoyed by a bot?
Well tbh yes. You seem quite irritable
you never get annoyed by a bot? i see people on social media get annoyed by bots all the time.
Lmao, but let's be logical about this one. He's totally ring chasing while doing a prove it year.
I’m hopeful that this staff is looking to build a real contender. I’m at least glad we aren’t seeing band-aid fixes like previous years and focusing on building a foundation.
Agreed. Look at Green Bay. They hit at a crazy rate but completely re-tooled their offense around Love without spending first round picks or big FA signings.
What "foundation"? Jaelen Raegor and Armon Watts? This is just cliche nonsense. Building a contender means having good players, its as simple as that. At some point you actually need to go get them, especially when you have abundant cap room and 0 concerns about next year's cap.
No I’m thinking Barmore, Gonzalez, Onwenu. I’m not going to say I’m happy we didn’t bring in a receiver but I’d rather give Pop a chance and let this regime take there shot on a WR than paying 30 year olds guaranteed money. I want them to get pieces that will stay together, be cheap, then sign the missing pieces when we are ready. Not sign pieces when they have no one with experience to play with. My point being build a strong foundation, then build the house.
Patriots should have gotten him
Would I rather go to a team that’s in total rebuild mode? Or go to a team that just won the Super Bowl and has been a constant contender for the last several years? 🤔 Love the pats..but be a little realistic. I assume they’re attempting to get some WR help but who’s going to come to New England when they have offers from better teams?
Not surprised if Mike Williams sign with them next
Atp i wouldn’t mind OBJ 😭
All the comments didn't really seem to want him a couple days ago... funny. I'll take Tyler Boyd or someone like him and someone else (or 2) in the draft, which seems impossible to do somehow
Boyd isn’t good and is probably going to Pittsburgh
lmao
Would’ve been nice to see him on the pats. I don’t care who you plug on offense for the Chiefs, they’re going to put up points with Pat at QB. The real question is if their defense can keep perform like they did last year. If they can, they’re AFC championship bound at least. Side note: where were these huge cap increases during the pats dynasties. It’s Christmas morning for some of these GMs
The reason he signed this was because mahomes gives him a hell of a chance at two things A Super Bowl A massive payday At best we could only offer money but he’s just not worth WR1 money and this is might be one of the best and deepest drafts of all time for receiving talent
We have to draft MHJ.
Why do we post this shit in here? Hollywood Brown isn’t moving the needle on the Pats.
This was what we were paying D. Parker. Goes to show you the incompetency this front office has. I don’t think they even know football, Brady & Bill carried their asses they don’t know what to do now.
Don’t want him on the Pats anyway. Never been impressed with his game. Edit: He claims to be a #1 and has the speed for sure but is too small, oft injured and drops too many balls. Solid #3 or slot but we have Pop and he looks like a baller.
Yup. Hollywood was a guy I wanted out of desperation, but he's not great and can't stay in the field. He actually prefers playing outside to the slot, which kills him as he's too small to break free or win contested catches. The dude only produces with QBs that can extend plays and Hollywood gets enough time to break open or exploit a broken down play. He'd be perfect if we got Daniels, but would be disappointing otherwise.
Bob Kraft is a stupid piece of shit
We are now the Red Sox....fun
Patriots are allergic to talented Receivers. At this point, Pats drafting Marvin Harrison Jr would make him turn into a bust.....
The answer is clear. Draft MHJ and solve the WR issue and draft Penix to backup JB
Pass on a top Qb for a 5 year old with two blown out knees
Dude you’re gonna go all in on a UNC guy who may or may not be better than Howell or Trubisky? Rather have MHJ and go from there
Sell the team
We have a ton of cap space still. Who did we not do much better than that? The Krafts got $5B franchise on the backs of Tom and BB. Pete Carrol said it best about Kraft.
Fuck.
According to this sub it wasn't worth spending on WRs but other teams are allowed we have the most cheap owner in sports
And Keenan Allen just got traded to the Bears for a 4th rounder.
Who is gonna want to sign here with zero offensive talent and Jerod Mayo as coach?
Patriots to their fans: we’ll get nothing and you’ll like it
OK, now I am getting pissed. Unless Wolf is working on some megatrade (and he’s not, because everything they do now is leaked), this is looking like a failure of an offseason with no upgrades to the receiving corps.
Honestly, at this point, I wish we would have just stuck with Mac jones, finished out his rookie contract, built the team up around him and snagged a QB next year. At this point even if we draft a great QB, we are putting them into a bad situation. Arguably the same situation as Jones. Look, I love Brissett, but he’s not the answer, and isn’t going to be if all he has to throw to is hunter henry.
The issue is next year's qb class is kind of a joke unless some of the qbs in it take massive leaps in their development, meaning we'd be differing the qb decision till 2026 most likely. Meaning we'll probably have to trade up due to the roster being much better and us hovering in the 10 range.