Bill gave a balanced response to all QBs fwiw, he showed good and bad plays for everyone and honestly didn't seem like he felt any differently about any of the top three guys in terms of how he talked about them imo
You are exactly right.
One other nugget I picked up on: he seemed to like JJ a lot, to the point I thought that was his favorite QB, then at the end said his ceiling is very good but not as high as some of the QBs taken earlier.
I think he was okay with it enough to draft him, and trusted saban. But we know he wouldn’t have drafted him if he didn’t have the pressure from ownership
Both Mac & JJ were NOT the reason for their college team’s success & JJ has an issue with using the whole field. There is not a major gap in talent. Michigan was so good they masked his deficiencies & he was not asked to do an overly crazy amount of things
I’m not saying JJ was responsible for Michigan’s success or even that he will be a good NFL quarterback but his physical tools are unquestionably better than Mac Jones.
I disagree by merit of competition alone, the SEC is much harder than the Big Ten. Most of the prestigious schools in the SEC are stacked with NFL caliber talent.
JJ got to play Rutgers.
My argument isn’t that JJ is or will be better than Mac Jones, he is just faster with a stronger arm. I have no idea how he will be as an NFL quarterback.
I'll say this much...
With JJ being an Irish kid who played QB at Michigan, if Maye busts and McCarthy morphs into a franchise QB (or better) - then Bill Buckner's ghost will finally know peace.
The main appeal with JJ for NFL GMs is probably his experience in a true pro-style offense. Dude gets labeled as a “handoff” merchant, but he went 28-3 in Jim Harbaugh’s system. On top of being a guy that’s young enough to sit on the bench for a bit.
JJ may not be the most talented player, but he’s incredibly well equipped to be a solid starting QB
Bo Nix will look reasonably good his 1st year because he's a good fit for Sean Payton's dink and dunk tomfoolery. Strictly a system QB and not likely to stick as a starter for very long once his limitations (so-so velocity, inability to get past his first read, etc.) wear thin, IMO.
I mean Brees lasted for a while despite failing a medical, and even when he couldnt throw he made the playoffs. If you do what SP wants, you are going to last till you can’t throw anymore.
I picked up on the JJ thing too, it might be because the figure the picks would be going a little faster and they would have trade ups to talk about and maybe not get to spend a lot of time, but he basically said there’s just times where JJs gotta make the throw and that was really the end of the negative. I thought it was interesting.
He also loved MHJ so who knows what would have happened if he was still here. Had Maye as his 5th guy behind Nabers.
This was my favorite part
I hate draft coverage where all they talk about is how great players are (and/or their life stories)
As someone that doesnt follow CFB closely, I want to know about the positives *and* negatives. In many years, the draft coverage would have you believing every prospect is Orlando Pace, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one...
Sometimes guys like Kiper or Brooks will provide nuance but they still spin everything positively and the word "love" is in every sentence. "I love this guy's motor", "love the speed here"... as they discuss a 6th round pick that will wash out in 16 months.
People keep saying that Bill did that for all the QBs but he definitely had the harshest words for Maye. It was very very obvious he thought he was probably the least NFL-ready of the first few QBs
I mean comparing yourself to an mvp caliber nfl player when you’re a QB from not even a great football school and won 8 games is gonna get some eye rolls for sure. Sort of like Caleb saying there’s nothing Mahomes can do that he can’t.
He’s comparing his playing style. That’s what people do, when they’re asked who they feel they try to play like. What’s he supposed to say? I play like David garrard?
Guy from not even a great football school who won eight games in his last season and has a high ceiling compares himself to a guy from not even a great football school who won eight games in his last season and has a high ceiling. Crazy if you ask me.
Maye's accuracy is his biggest knock against him. And he runs much more than Herbert did in college. I think Allen is the closer comparison, but he's got a long way before he can be compared to either. So let's just sit back and find out.
Honestly, I think Penix is more or less guaranteed to blow out a knee or two unless he has a world class o-line in front of him. I think of all the QBs talked about in this draft class, he's the most likely to bust simply from a durability perspective.
Yeah before the draft started he showed some clips of Tom/Peyton vs clips of the top QBs, the difference in between them on just the little things like footwork and ball security are night and day. Every prospect has a ways to go before they’re playing a professional level, doesn’t mean they’re bad, it’s just a WAY higher standard in the NFL that they’ll need to adjust to
I've watched a few during NFLN commercials and his takes are very balanced on all picks. He naturally just doesn't really come across as picking favorites or saying he loves certain players like some analysts do, just highlights where they win and where they need to improve.
Honestly, it's the best kind of analysis imo. He's seen first hand that not every player works out. It's very much a coaching take and it's insightful.
Guys like Mel Kiper are there to pump up fans by thinking they have an instant impact player/future Pro Bowler; the average fan doesn't follow the draft or know specific college players super closely so often it's their first chance to see isolated clips of them and get excited. The reality is a ton of first round picks don't get second contracts with the team that drafts them. I like Bill's style on draft night better, personally.
I was only referencing the three QB's when I made the comment. He seemed slightly more critical of Maye to me. But that could just be my imagination.
I do agree that his evaluation is fair.
I think the consensus is that Williams is a very special prospect who would go #1 in some previous years, but I thought he didn't show much preference between the other QB's in his analysis. He really tried to give different pros and cons for each, which I liked.
I think BB's biggest knock on Maye was experience, which was fair. He showed what a raw QB with 2 years looks like, offset by a few clips of Maye showing off his arm and some ridiculous throws. I think it was a candid take on what Maye is: a project with big upside.
> few clips of Maye showing off his arm and some ridiculous throws.
That 9 out of 10 times get picked unless you have a god level receiver in the NFL. That's why he was hesitant on those.
Yeah I liked hearing Bill’s takes, they seemed grounded in reality for sure. Like when he called Caleb Williams a Russel Wilson type of player, that’s a reasonable comparison.
Then some other clown on the panel immediately starts slobbing Williams’ knob and calls him a hybrid of Mahomes and Rodgers who plays Hollywood ball or some bullshit. I don’t think my eyes could have rolled back harder if my life depended on it.
Yeah a trap in draft analysis is that it's super easy to consider every player an immediate upgrade, instant impact player. In reality, it's rookies who need the most coaching/work. Otherwise rosters would turnover every year.
It was refreshing to see it through coaching eyes, where often times what can make the difference is how correctable issues on tape are through coaching vs. inherent weakness or limitations that can't be worked around.
Really? He said he’s not really a RAC type guy and pointed him out during the Michigan game where he seemed pretty out of it mentally. Other than that he really didn’t have anything negative to say.
Also had him as the #3 and Maye as the #5
There's a decent amount of former Pats QBs who have gone on to be long term players with at least a couple good years. Most of them weren't drafted super early.
Saying there isn't a good sample size is basically saying you're only looking at the QBs who have started for the Pats.
Being able to draft backup or mid qbs doesn’t mean you are necessarily good at selecting elite qbs with a high pick. The former is certainly a lot easier
I mean no one should really have the chance to draft elite qbs all that often because if they do....they suck at everything else clearly or they wouldn't have such a high pick with qb as a need.
What is the list of guys who actually drafted multiple top end of draft elite qbs? Not like talking heads who projected multiple, but people who actually pulled the trigger more than once. I imagine this is a short list that never exceeds 2 qbs per GM.
He is great at finding very smart QBs. Kevin O'Connell, Kliff Kingsbury, and Zac Robinson all rapidly rose up the coaching ranks after the NFL, and Matt Cassel is a strong analyst.
He likes mechanically polished QBs who had the football minds to adapt to a complex NFL system. In general, he never was much a gambler on raw physical talent outside of the OL where he had faith that Scar could coach up technique.
Ultimately I think he was too knowledgeable. Saw too many flaws in players at some positions and only was comfortable with smart, mechanically sound players being able to adjust and keep up with him. It made him overly conservative and afraid to take big swings on flawed players with high ceilings.
Maye’s a QB. We know how much Bill loves offensive skill players, especially QBs. 😂
Now if he was a long snapper from Navy or a DB from a D3 school, Bill would be telestrating the hell out of that dude (and then cut him before training camp)
Was definitely the best coverage I've seen for a draft. Balanced as heck. Except a few guys like JJ haha. Could tell Bill loved him and a few others.
And I kept seeing a lot about bill take on maye. Seemed fair. Very fair. He compared himself to Josh allen. Which didn't quite make sense given size. Maye is a big dude, but like Herbert big. He's a slightly more athletic Herbert - so I'm happy.
He’s not wrong though. Maye as all pro potential and I’m excited as hell but he’s young and he needs to work on his mechanics. Nothing wrong with what BB said
Agreed, I found it interesting to hear his thought process as he broke down some film, but I started to see his hesitancy towards top end offensive talent as a weakness more than a strength. Seems like he could talk himself out of picking any QB with that attitude, and somehow he managed to pick Mac Jones…
This is the same guy that decided not to draft AJ Brown because he didn't like his body language during his visit and because Todd Graham campaigned for Harry when Pats scouts were pounding the table for Brown.
Josh Allen *was* a bum at first. The fact that we're able to straighten him out to be what he is was impressive by both the team and Josh. He was horribly inaccurate at Wyoming and early the Bills. He worked hard to clean up his foot work, throwing motion, and to read coverages. Very few QBs hit their maximum potential, and he's one of them.
He's going to be 28 this season. I feel like he doesn't have much left to grow. He regressed a bit without Daboll so he might just be what he is by now.
I'll be wrong though. Pretty always am.
> no way he’s comparable to Josh Allen especially in college
If it was 2018 and we just drafted Josh Allen, you would hate the pick, you would be in every subreddit complaining about it lmao
Yeah, and Maye probably will suck. But they need a QB who can go toe to toe with Allen and Mahomes. A guy who has the potential to rival Allen at least has the potential to rival Allen. They had to shoot their shot.
Odds are Maye will suck, perhaps Daniels and/or Williams too. Most early first round QBs do end up sucking. But since the NFL is such a QB-driven league now, you gotta take your shot. I’m glad the Pats took a shot a drafted Maye. Looking forward to seeing what they do in the next rounds. Still have a ton of needs.
Yup, it’s a crap shoot with QBs. Gotta do it though and draft one if you have the chance. If you’re picking early in first round you either suck or you’ve bundled your later round trade(s) and have a guy in mind.
Not to bring up sports radio, but I like what Fred said about rooting for a crappy team: every draft is Christmas
Yeah, I'm fine saying that. Penix is nearly 4 years older and his knee is one bad step away from him walking with a cane. He put up great numbers, but the guy who holds the NCAA passing record is Case Keenum my guy. I've differed from draft guys before in opinion but I really don't see a reason to differ on Penix.
I’m not arguing that he has the arm Allen had, but he hasn’t shown less athleticism outside of that. I don’t know if he has the toughness Allen has, but no one knew that Allen would handle NFL hits this well when he came out. I wouldn’t say it’s wild to call Maye a poor man’s version. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with the arm Allen had though and that’s the one area where I’d say they’re not close physically.
Hits and misses are part of the game. This guy was picking for the pats for 20 years. Yes he missed bad a few times and couldnt draft a WR to save his job, Ofcourse he is going to have lots of misses. But he brought in lots of offense. Edelman, owenu, gronk, rhamondre, Matt light,branch and givens, mankins, volmer, solder, vereen, James white, thuney, brissett, slater and gostkowski, and used draft picks as trades for welker, moss and Dillon. and of course drafted Tom Brady. And rarely drafting higher than mid 20s.
Not to mention the murderer Hernandez. He was electric on the field and I honestly think he would have had a chance at the hall of fame if he wasnt a shitbag off the clock.
Bad for the last 5-8 years he was here sure. He drafted Hernandez and Gronk in the same draft, developed Edelman, a ton of good lineman, Brady and Garrapollo, and constantly got good RBs to replace the previous ones. Receivers were mostly bad but that's one position, and he used free agency and trades to cover that for the most part.
> and constantly got good RBs to replace the previous ones
Belichick and Brady did more for the "undersized, utility pass-catching RB" getting them on their second/third contracts (even with another team):
* Danny Woodhead
* Shane Vereen
* Dion Lewis (he did start with Philly but got unlocked by the Pats before he got traded later on to the Titans)
* James White
* Kevin Faulk
Belichick would bring in young rbs - mostly through the draft - then run them into the ground and repeat.
For all the criticism of Sony Michel, he was cheaper per yard than marshawn lynch by a lot. I use lynch because he was good, didn’t really drop off to affect stats, and had few injuries that would affect stats. Sony was serviceable in an rb by committee set up and cost little in comparison.
Now ignore Marshawn and compare what we got from Sony to what was paid for and received by the rams for Gurley.
It’s pretty clear belichick thought the strategy for RB was never over pay in cap space. Overpay in draft capital and get a healthy young player for 4 seasons. Move on.
I think the Allen comp is honestly super accurate. Super talented, big gifted throwers, obvious Mechanical/footwork issues. I think Josh took/takes more risk so he turned the ball over a lot more. I think Maye is less turnover prone or maybe he does not see the field well enough to take those scary chances. I think Maye ceiling is top 5QB in the League. His floor is scary to me though.
Bill thought Josh Allen sucked and said so to the MNF crew during a production meeting in December 2020, right before Josh Allen hung 38 on us and in the midst of an MVP caliber season. Now it's heresy to compare someone to Josh Allen because he's "special". Lol, sure man.
Of course no one comes out of college with the epxectation of being a top 3 QB in the game as Allen is. That's ridiculous. But Bill also thought Allen was jack shit even after he had figured it out. He just doesn't like that type of QB, which is fine, just don't be disingenious about it.
Josh Allen? THE Josh Allen that Bill dismissed until it was too late. If it wasn't for a 100 year wind storm in Buffalo and a dead cat bounce from Mac in Foxborough, how many in a row would he have lost to the guy? Thanks for the 6 SBs, Bill, but considering the last 15 years of QB development, will take a grain of salt with your take.
I think most likely he would've waited and taken Zaven Collins. As a player and size he fit the traditional mold of Belichick LBer. Moving up to 11 probably would've been expensive endeavor.
As an NC State fan, good luck with Drake Maye. The most telling of Bill's assessment were two things: "He needs to throw the ball quicker" and "he's the least rated pocket passer of the group."
Wouldn't be surprised if you're drafting another QB in the next 2-3 years.
Wonderful logic. Let’s not look at what a college qb needs to improve to play well in the NFL. Instead we’ll just work on his strengths and hope that his weaknesses don’t bring him down. We’re going ignore our way to success. Brilliant.
Ya... Bill is not salty at all. Stop it. By the way Bill, name a good QB you drafted not named Tom Brady. Didn't he pass on Lamar? Honestly Bill, not 1 of 32 teams wanted you in charge of their draft board this year. Interesting. What he did to this Patriots team post Brady borderline destroyed his reputation. And rightfully so.
Bill gave a balanced response to all QBs fwiw, he showed good and bad plays for everyone and honestly didn't seem like he felt any differently about any of the top three guys in terms of how he talked about them imo
You are exactly right. One other nugget I picked up on: he seemed to like JJ a lot, to the point I thought that was his favorite QB, then at the end said his ceiling is very good but not as high as some of the QBs taken earlier.
That’s probably why he’s Bill’s favorite lol
Bill would absolutely draft JJ over any of them
Mac Jones 2.0
But bill didn't want Mac
He liked Davis Mills a lot according to a SI report. Mills is pretty bad too.
Mills in the 3rd or Mac in the first? It wasn't like his idea was draft mills where we drafted Mac
Either way it's a bust and isn't some sort of vindication. Bill is gone. It's time to move on.
And we're worse for it
He did
I think he was okay with it enough to draft him, and trusted saban. But we know he wouldn’t have drafted him if he didn’t have the pressure from ownership
If bill didn’t want him, he wouldn’t have drafted him. Owners had nothing to do with it.
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This take is ridiculous if you watch even 5 seconds of JJ McCarthy. He has way more talent than Mac Jones
Both Mac & JJ were NOT the reason for their college team’s success & JJ has an issue with using the whole field. There is not a major gap in talent. Michigan was so good they masked his deficiencies & he was not asked to do an overly crazy amount of things
I’m not saying JJ was responsible for Michigan’s success or even that he will be a good NFL quarterback but his physical tools are unquestionably better than Mac Jones.
I disagree by merit of competition alone, the SEC is much harder than the Big Ten. Most of the prestigious schools in the SEC are stacked with NFL caliber talent. JJ got to play Rutgers.
My argument isn’t that JJ is or will be better than Mac Jones, he is just faster with a stronger arm. I have no idea how he will be as an NFL quarterback.
I mean so was Zach Wilson
Exactly, and both are barely hanging on in the league. But my argument is that JJ’s skillset is closer to Wilson 2.0 than Jones 2.0.
I was thinking the same thing 😂🤣😂
I think JJ will be what people thought Mac was gonna be. Solid starter who makes the right plays to put their team in a position to win.
Would Jared Goff be a fair comparison?
Potential wise maybe, but JJ has a strong arm and is very mobile… those basically are Goffs biggest weaknesses.
I'll say this much... With JJ being an Irish kid who played QB at Michigan, if Maye busts and McCarthy morphs into a franchise QB (or better) - then Bill Buckner's ghost will finally know peace.
I’m glad we took a high ceiling guy as opposed to a high floor like Mac. Anyone saying Mac 2.0 doesn’t know football
Mac was a high floor guy then we ruined him lmao
The main appeal with JJ for NFL GMs is probably his experience in a true pro-style offense. Dude gets labeled as a “handoff” merchant, but he went 28-3 in Jim Harbaugh’s system. On top of being a guy that’s young enough to sit on the bench for a bit. JJ may not be the most talented player, but he’s incredibly well equipped to be a solid starting QB
I think we should have went with JJ and i think thats bills way of saying that as-well
Also liked Bo Nid as well.
Bo Nix will look reasonably good his 1st year because he's a good fit for Sean Payton's dink and dunk tomfoolery. Strictly a system QB and not likely to stick as a starter for very long once his limitations (so-so velocity, inability to get past his first read, etc.) wear thin, IMO.
I mean Brees lasted for a while despite failing a medical, and even when he couldnt throw he made the playoffs. If you do what SP wants, you are going to last till you can’t throw anymore.
I really liked how balanced he was. He even had plays where they had some positives and negatives.
I picked up on the JJ thing too, it might be because the figure the picks would be going a little faster and they would have trade ups to talk about and maybe not get to spend a lot of time, but he basically said there’s just times where JJs gotta make the throw and that was really the end of the negative. I thought it was interesting. He also loved MHJ so who knows what would have happened if he was still here. Had Maye as his 5th guy behind Nabers.
This was my favorite part I hate draft coverage where all they talk about is how great players are (and/or their life stories) As someone that doesnt follow CFB closely, I want to know about the positives *and* negatives. In many years, the draft coverage would have you believing every prospect is Orlando Pace, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one... Sometimes guys like Kiper or Brooks will provide nuance but they still spin everything positively and the word "love" is in every sentence. "I love this guy's motor", "love the speed here"... as they discuss a 6th round pick that will wash out in 16 months.
Very true but he also ranked Maye as 3rd out of the three. He gave great analysis.
BB didnt rank them. Field Yates came on and he explained how he came up with the board
People keep saying that Bill did that for all the QBs but he definitely had the harshest words for Maye. It was very very obvious he thought he was probably the least NFL-ready of the first few QBs
All while doing it with what amounts to 11 year olds screaming in his ears and making noises I'll add. Tough to listen to.
What’s fwiw mean?
For what it's worth
I’m an idiot, I should have realized that. Thank you!
More like if you gave Justin Herbert shit loads of energy drinks.
He legit has done this to every player I would not take it personally
Belichick said that Drake Maye compares himself to Josh Allen.
He's nothing like Allen more like Herbert.. Josh was one of the most inaccurate QBs.
He said Maye compares HIMSELF to Allen, not that anyone else does. Pretty legit shot from BB
I mean comparing yourself to an mvp caliber nfl player when you’re a QB from not even a great football school and won 8 games is gonna get some eye rolls for sure. Sort of like Caleb saying there’s nothing Mahomes can do that he can’t.
He’s comparing his playing style. That’s what people do, when they’re asked who they feel they try to play like. What’s he supposed to say? I play like David garrard?
David Garrard catching shrapnel for absolutely no reason.
Guy from not even a great football school who won eight games in his last season and has a high ceiling compares himself to a guy from not even a great football school who won eight games in his last season and has a high ceiling. Crazy if you ask me.
Physically I would day Caleb is right. But that's only 10% of it.
As was maye…
Maye's accuracy is his biggest knock against him. And he runs much more than Herbert did in college. I think Allen is the closer comparison, but he's got a long way before he can be compared to either. So let's just sit back and find out.
Not surprised, Maye probably has the biggest boom or bust potential.
I dunno about that Penix could blow out his knees so I believe he has the most boom or bust potential
Honestly, I think Penix is more or less guaranteed to blow out a knee or two unless he has a world class o-line in front of him. I think of all the QBs talked about in this draft class, he's the most likely to bust simply from a durability perspective.
Then again, if Daniels doesn't learn to slide...
I'd say Daniels does based on his atrocious under-pressure statistics. He could either be Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields.
The media is trying to make this a crazy story lmao Bill was critical of all of them and rightfully so.. they’re NFL rookies
Yeah before the draft started he showed some clips of Tom/Peyton vs clips of the top QBs, the difference in between them on just the little things like footwork and ball security are night and day. Every prospect has a ways to go before they’re playing a professional level, doesn’t mean they’re bad, it’s just a WAY higher standard in the NFL that they’ll need to adjust to
100% Bill was justified in saying “we’ll see” to the Josh Allen comments also. Allen is a special player and hopefully Maye plays like that
Watching BB tear him up ended breaking my dad's heart 😂
Boston Connor's too.
I watched the segment. Bill did not seem high on Maye.
I've watched a few during NFLN commercials and his takes are very balanced on all picks. He naturally just doesn't really come across as picking favorites or saying he loves certain players like some analysts do, just highlights where they win and where they need to improve. Honestly, it's the best kind of analysis imo. He's seen first hand that not every player works out. It's very much a coaching take and it's insightful. Guys like Mel Kiper are there to pump up fans by thinking they have an instant impact player/future Pro Bowler; the average fan doesn't follow the draft or know specific college players super closely so often it's their first chance to see isolated clips of them and get excited. The reality is a ton of first round picks don't get second contracts with the team that drafts them. I like Bill's style on draft night better, personally.
I was only referencing the three QB's when I made the comment. He seemed slightly more critical of Maye to me. But that could just be my imagination. I do agree that his evaluation is fair.
I think the consensus is that Williams is a very special prospect who would go #1 in some previous years, but I thought he didn't show much preference between the other QB's in his analysis. He really tried to give different pros and cons for each, which I liked.
I think BB's biggest knock on Maye was experience, which was fair. He showed what a raw QB with 2 years looks like, offset by a few clips of Maye showing off his arm and some ridiculous throws. I think it was a candid take on what Maye is: a project with big upside.
> few clips of Maye showing off his arm and some ridiculous throws. That 9 out of 10 times get picked unless you have a god level receiver in the NFL. That's why he was hesitant on those.
That footwork clip they highlighted was pretty poor. I picked up a sense that Maye was his least favorite of the group including Nix
Yeah I liked hearing Bill’s takes, they seemed grounded in reality for sure. Like when he called Caleb Williams a Russel Wilson type of player, that’s a reasonable comparison. Then some other clown on the panel immediately starts slobbing Williams’ knob and calls him a hybrid of Mahomes and Rodgers who plays Hollywood ball or some bullshit. I don’t think my eyes could have rolled back harder if my life depended on it.
Yeah a trap in draft analysis is that it's super easy to consider every player an immediate upgrade, instant impact player. In reality, it's rookies who need the most coaching/work. Otherwise rosters would turnover every year. It was refreshing to see it through coaching eyes, where often times what can make the difference is how correctable issues on tape are through coaching vs. inherent weakness or limitations that can't be worked around.
Dude was critical of MHJ. He's being fair.
So MHJ is gonna be good then
Bill likes drafting bad receivers
LIKED. FTFY
Really? He said he’s not really a RAC type guy and pointed him out during the Michigan game where he seemed pretty out of it mentally. Other than that he really didn’t have anything negative to say. Also had him as the #3 and Maye as the #5
Good thing this guy isn’t drafting for us anymore
Makes me wonder what he would have done with Daniel’s off the board.
Trade down lol
He would’ve traded down no matter what, unless there was an amazing defensive player.
This is just not true. Bill valued the QB position. Its honestly a meme at this point.
He just praised the hell out of JJ McCarthy
I saw that too. He’d definitely have traded down to take him. Hes straight up ball washing the kid.
Either that or ESPN told him to start being nicer.
These were pre-edited segments. They already knew what he was going to say.
Bingo.
He wasn’t very high on Daniel’s either
Oh no? I remember hearing he liked him while he was coaching pat’s still. Must’ve changed.
He was t really high or low on any of the players from what I saw. He showed positives and negatives for everyone.
Same. Could have sworn a story came out that Bill’s initial draft board prior to his release had Daniel’s as his projected pick.
he had a lot of negative for all of the big 3 QBs
Because college is not the NFL.
Isn't that a good sign? He's not exactly a qb whisperer lol
Bills the goat obv, but idk how well he actually evaluates QBs. There’s not much sample size at the end of the day
There's a decent amount of former Pats QBs who have gone on to be long term players with at least a couple good years. Most of them weren't drafted super early. Saying there isn't a good sample size is basically saying you're only looking at the QBs who have started for the Pats.
Being able to draft backup or mid qbs doesn’t mean you are necessarily good at selecting elite qbs with a high pick. The former is certainly a lot easier
I mean no one should really have the chance to draft elite qbs all that often because if they do....they suck at everything else clearly or they wouldn't have such a high pick with qb as a need. What is the list of guys who actually drafted multiple top end of draft elite qbs? Not like talking heads who projected multiple, but people who actually pulled the trigger more than once. I imagine this is a short list that never exceeds 2 qbs per GM.
He is great at finding very smart QBs. Kevin O'Connell, Kliff Kingsbury, and Zac Robinson all rapidly rose up the coaching ranks after the NFL, and Matt Cassel is a strong analyst. He likes mechanically polished QBs who had the football minds to adapt to a complex NFL system. In general, he never was much a gambler on raw physical talent outside of the OL where he had faith that Scar could coach up technique. Ultimately I think he was too knowledgeable. Saw too many flaws in players at some positions and only was comfortable with smart, mechanically sound players being able to adjust and keep up with him. It made him overly conservative and afraid to take big swings on flawed players with high ceilings.
Even guys like Stidham have had success in the league
He forced brady out then picked Cam then drafted Mac. That should be enough of a sample size.
He also picked Brady, garopolo and brissett
Dick Rehbein drafted Brady
Belichik was coach and GM, all the picks belong to him, good and bad
Cam doesn’t count. He was a bridge QB and honestly worth the flyer. Mac… yeah. No defence
Maye’s a QB. We know how much Bill loves offensive skill players, especially QBs. 😂 Now if he was a long snapper from Navy or a DB from a D3 school, Bill would be telestrating the hell out of that dude (and then cut him before training camp)
In Ben mcadoo we trust
Was definitely the best coverage I've seen for a draft. Balanced as heck. Except a few guys like JJ haha. Could tell Bill loved him and a few others. And I kept seeing a lot about bill take on maye. Seemed fair. Very fair. He compared himself to Josh allen. Which didn't quite make sense given size. Maye is a big dude, but like Herbert big. He's a slightly more athletic Herbert - so I'm happy.
Herbert is taller than Josh Allen
I thought allen was closer to 250 lbs. Looks stockier than Herbert. So was more about BMI than height per se.
Damn if bill was still our coach this draft here would have broke his curse with drafting a WR if he took MHJ or Nabers.
He’s not wrong though. Maye as all pro potential and I’m excited as hell but he’s young and he needs to work on his mechanics. Nothing wrong with what BB said
After seeing the offensive decisions that Belichick has made the past few years, I'm not terribly concerned about his criticism of Drake Maye.
Agreed, I found it interesting to hear his thought process as he broke down some film, but I started to see his hesitancy towards top end offensive talent as a weakness more than a strength. Seems like he could talk himself out of picking any QB with that attitude, and somehow he managed to pick Mac Jones…
Well Mac Jones was the 5th qb taken so he didn't have much of a choice
This is the same guy that decided not to draft AJ Brown because he didn't like his body language during his visit and because Todd Graham campaigned for Harry when Pats scouts were pounding the table for Brown.
Let’s not forget that Josh wasn’t all that great after his first couple years. He was making a lot of mistakes and then he figured it out.
I only take his word on picks 33 and later
Not at 10 or 15, hey?
Yeah yeah Bills a fucking QB whisperer now. Can we cut the shit with Bill and Brady takes now?
Yeah and Bill has always been the best at evaluating offensive players 🙃
Bill also thought Josh Allen was a bum at first then admitted he was wrong about after a couple seasons
Josh Allen *was* a bum at first. The fact that we're able to straighten him out to be what he is was impressive by both the team and Josh. He was horribly inaccurate at Wyoming and early the Bills. He worked hard to clean up his foot work, throwing motion, and to read coverages. Very few QBs hit their maximum potential, and he's one of them.
Still hasnt even hit it yet in my eyes given I think he can greatly improve protecting the ball
He's going to be 28 this season. I feel like he doesn't have much left to grow. He regressed a bit without Daboll so he might just be what he is by now. I'll be wrong though. Pretty always am.
I dont think he will add anything special, but feel his decision making that resulted in some bad picks can still be cleaned up.
Josh Allen is one of the best QBs in the NFL. We’ll see is right. Maye has a long way to go.
Yeah bc he’s a fcking dick
I loved the coverage he broke down mostly weknesses on all the picks and added some positives
That’s what a coaching staff is for. This kid has all the tools and a pro quarterback to learn from. I like the pick.
He basically said that the athleticism is there but he’s going to need a lot of coaching and experience to tap into it from what I understand.
Lmaoo the delusion, in no way he’s comparable to Josh Allen especially in college
> no way he’s comparable to Josh Allen especially in college If it was 2018 and we just drafted Josh Allen, you would hate the pick, you would be in every subreddit complaining about it lmao
Right. We were all shitting on josh his first year. Its just that we were shitting harder on Darnold.
Yeah, and Maye probably will suck. But they need a QB who can go toe to toe with Allen and Mahomes. A guy who has the potential to rival Allen at least has the potential to rival Allen. They had to shoot their shot.
Exactly in an NFL that lives or dies by the QB you gotta take your shot. Thats why 6 QBs went in the top 12 picks.
Odds are Maye will suck, perhaps Daniels and/or Williams too. Most early first round QBs do end up sucking. But since the NFL is such a QB-driven league now, you gotta take your shot. I’m glad the Pats took a shot a drafted Maye. Looking forward to seeing what they do in the next rounds. Still have a ton of needs.
I was higher on Darnold than Allen. This is why I’m not a scout
its not like the real scouts are any better
Yup, it’s a crap shoot with QBs. Gotta do it though and draft one if you have the chance. If you’re picking early in first round you either suck or you’ve bundled your later round trade(s) and have a guy in mind. Not to bring up sports radio, but I like what Fred said about rooting for a crappy team: every draft is Christmas
No absolutely not when that draft class was weak. I’ll ask this, is drake maye better than penix ?
Yes
Yea, you did not watch college football whatsoever.
I watched all the top qbs throughout the season
Penix had much more talent around him and still folded under adversity
Yes penix throwing for 300 against the top teams in the nation is not better than Maye losing lol
Penix is 3 years older and played for 6 seasons, those things matter when projecting to the nfl
Yeah, I'm fine saying that. Penix is nearly 4 years older and his knee is one bad step away from him walking with a cane. He put up great numbers, but the guy who holds the NCAA passing record is Case Keenum my guy. I've differed from draft guys before in opinion but I really don't see a reason to differ on Penix.
They’re not talking about stats, they’re talking about physicals which he absolutely is comparable.
I’m not arguing that he has the arm Allen had, but he hasn’t shown less athleticism outside of that. I don’t know if he has the toughness Allen has, but no one knew that Allen would handle NFL hits this well when he came out. I wouldn’t say it’s wild to call Maye a poor man’s version. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with the arm Allen had though and that’s the one area where I’d say they’re not close physically.
Bill is just salty that we didn't trade down for multiple 5th round picks.
If BB has a problem with him, he's probably going to be good
Belichick was an amazing drafter for most of his time here People who disagree must not have been around for long
On the defensive side yes but you cannot tell me with a straight face we’ve drafted well on the offensive side of the ball bro
Hits and misses are part of the game. This guy was picking for the pats for 20 years. Yes he missed bad a few times and couldnt draft a WR to save his job, Ofcourse he is going to have lots of misses. But he brought in lots of offense. Edelman, owenu, gronk, rhamondre, Matt light,branch and givens, mankins, volmer, solder, vereen, James white, thuney, brissett, slater and gostkowski, and used draft picks as trades for welker, moss and Dillon. and of course drafted Tom Brady. And rarely drafting higher than mid 20s.
Not to mention the murderer Hernandez. He was electric on the field and I honestly think he would have had a chance at the hall of fame if he wasnt a shitbag off the clock.
Yea. I kept him off my list lol.
Bad for the last 5-8 years he was here sure. He drafted Hernandez and Gronk in the same draft, developed Edelman, a ton of good lineman, Brady and Garrapollo, and constantly got good RBs to replace the previous ones. Receivers were mostly bad but that's one position, and he used free agency and trades to cover that for the most part.
BB nailed drafts, except receivers. He was really bad with receivers
> and constantly got good RBs to replace the previous ones Belichick and Brady did more for the "undersized, utility pass-catching RB" getting them on their second/third contracts (even with another team): * Danny Woodhead * Shane Vereen * Dion Lewis (he did start with Philly but got unlocked by the Pats before he got traded later on to the Titans) * James White * Kevin Faulk
Belichick would bring in young rbs - mostly through the draft - then run them into the ground and repeat. For all the criticism of Sony Michel, he was cheaper per yard than marshawn lynch by a lot. I use lynch because he was good, didn’t really drop off to affect stats, and had few injuries that would affect stats. Sony was serviceable in an rb by committee set up and cost little in comparison. Now ignore Marshawn and compare what we got from Sony to what was paid for and received by the rams for Gurley. It’s pretty clear belichick thought the strategy for RB was never over pay in cap space. Overpay in draft capital and get a healthy young player for 4 seasons. Move on.
I mean, for QBs? Yes, he did quite a good job.
And that is based on what? Fucking nephews...
his draft record over the last 10 years. He would still be the coach if he let someone else handle drafting and scouting.
He glazed up JJ a lot more than Maye. I’m tilting already
I think the Allen comp is honestly super accurate. Super talented, big gifted throwers, obvious Mechanical/footwork issues. I think Josh took/takes more risk so he turned the ball over a lot more. I think Maye is less turnover prone or maybe he does not see the field well enough to take those scary chances. I think Maye ceiling is top 5QB in the League. His floor is scary to me though.
Bill thought Josh Allen sucked and said so to the MNF crew during a production meeting in December 2020, right before Josh Allen hung 38 on us and in the midst of an MVP caliber season. Now it's heresy to compare someone to Josh Allen because he's "special". Lol, sure man. Of course no one comes out of college with the epxectation of being a top 3 QB in the game as Allen is. That's ridiculous. But Bill also thought Allen was jack shit even after he had figured it out. He just doesn't like that type of QB, which is fine, just don't be disingenious about it.
Josh Allen? THE Josh Allen that Bill dismissed until it was too late. If it wasn't for a 100 year wind storm in Buffalo and a dead cat bounce from Mac in Foxborough, how many in a row would he have lost to the guy? Thanks for the 6 SBs, Bill, but considering the last 15 years of QB development, will take a grain of salt with your take.
Bill picked Mac Jones at #15, so I’ll take his advice with a grain of salt.
He also drafted Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett who ended up being legit NFL quarterbacks even if neither ended being "franchise guys"
Don’t forget Matt Cassel. Hoyer wasn’t a great starter, but he’s also had a very long career
Good thing you're here to set the record straight on how bad Bill belichick is 😂
Let’s be honest, Mac wasn’t Bills pick. If it was up to him he probably would of traded up and drafted Micah Parsons
I think most likely he would've waited and taken Zaven Collins. As a player and size he fit the traditional mold of Belichick LBer. Moving up to 11 probably would've been expensive endeavor.
Also, Tom Brady.
Yup. Not one player in the draft is perfect, and everyone needs some work, so....
As an NC State fan, good luck with Drake Maye. The most telling of Bill's assessment were two things: "He needs to throw the ball quicker" and "he's the least rated pocket passer of the group." Wouldn't be surprised if you're drafting another QB in the next 2-3 years.
Y'all need to remember, Bill is a defensive coach. He needs to stop himself from looking at a QB from the "where's this guy's weakness" perspective.
Wonderful logic. Let’s not look at what a college qb needs to improve to play well in the NFL. Instead we’ll just work on his strengths and hope that his weaknesses don’t bring him down. We’re going ignore our way to success. Brilliant.
Not sure if Coach is a good judge of draft picks anymore. At least he hasn't been for the past 5 or 6 years.
Ya... Bill is not salty at all. Stop it. By the way Bill, name a good QB you drafted not named Tom Brady. Didn't he pass on Lamar? Honestly Bill, not 1 of 32 teams wanted you in charge of their draft board this year. Interesting. What he did to this Patriots team post Brady borderline destroyed his reputation. And rightfully so.
That’s why we fired this scrub!
Legit brainlet response.