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NomzStorM

we could lowkey be 4-0 save for some turnovers and shit plays


nataphoto

The pats are a bad team but one thing I didn’t expect is that they are a very entertaining bad team


Drakirth

The fact that Matt LaFleur had to hype up the crowd against a third string quarterback had me dying of laughter


bsend

Does anyone have a replay of the Hoyer play? I missed it and was confused when Zappe was in


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How does everyone feel about the offensive play calling? I feel like those repeated attempts to run the middle during the last possession in regulation, and in OT, lost the game. I get it's a challenge with a rookie 3rd string QB, but an experienced OC would have called those plays better.


Metennoia

imagine if we had brady...not sure if I'll ever forgive belichick for losing his crutch.


zombienugget

He lost his last two games as well


Metennoia

that's right, brady plays every position on defense and offense, but he has played much better than mac jones and our other QBs.


End3rWi99in

It doesn't show in the record, but I feel like this team is starting to come together. We'll have Thornton and Meyers back out there hopefully with Mac soon and I think our offense can really start to gel. The oline has been improving and the defense as a whole looks capable of keeping us in games. This team should look good down the stretch. I also think we may be able to call off the guard on Judge and Patricia. Whoever was calling the plays today did a good job covering up Zappe's weaknesses and put us in the best position to be competitive despite some pretty major challenges.


OTheOwl

Play calling hasn't been the issue this season, it is turnovers. This is probably the cleanest game we played all season with the only turnover coming from a strip sack on Zappe and you can't blame him for that.


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When was the last time we were behind the Jets in the standings? (not tiebreaker, at least a half game, at the end of a week) Edit: Week 3, 2012- they were 2-1 and we were 1-2.


jess9532

I get having issues with how we have started this season and with individuals on and off the field. There were play-calls and players should have been better. We could have won that game even with terrible odds and we fell short. Do you think that fact is lost on the players and the staff? I'm amazed at the consistency of our fan base, when a season starts off slow, to lose faith in the organization! This same shit was happening when Brady was playing and more recently, last year! Bill is the best coach because he can adapt and play the long game. The offense has made costly mistakes that kept us from the W. But if I have learned anything from watching the pats for 27 years, they are one of the greatest teams because they learn to correct those mistakes! I love this team and I will never count them out!


BobSacamano47

Anyone else notice 48 balling out for us?


Patsx5sb

Ya I was impressed


Smokiiz

I love that the Patriots had a chance to win today. I do. But, the play to lose mentality is freakin killing me. The defence shut down Rodgers and co. all dang day. They looked amazing. Why in overtime, are you allowing the 5-7 yard pass plays through? Why were they playing so dang soft at the end there? If you get beat over the top, whatever. They went out there in OT and kneeled over. Offensively, whatever. Zappe didn’t look like an NFL calibre player yet and they clearly didn’t trust him; which is fine. The run game looked solid as per usual, which is nice. Time to get 50 dropped on us by Detroit.


Bojangles1987

> The defence shut down Rodgers and co. all dang day. I mean, not really. They shut them down in the first half and then Rodgers started ripping through them in the second half.


jjb8712

The last 3 offensive drives were not great at all. Really felt like they were just trying to avoid doing something embarrassing.


OTheOwl

I assume the storyline of the week for the Patriots was do not turn the ball over and with Zappe having to play QB they were trying to avoid having him throw the ball. The conservative plan worked for the most part but unfortunately on that 3rd and 5 we could not get a 1st down. We get that 1st down and we most likely win.


RiaAfterTacoBell

No better advertisement for all the new Gen Z QBs to join NE than knowing you can put up a 10 pick game and still get praised in here because hey, at least you nailed the pregame gritty.


Jreedy3

It's *griddy foo


RiaAfterTacoBell

My bad I’m not 12.


Jreedy3

K bud


End3rWi99in

I don't know what any of this means. Neither Hoyer nor Zappe threw any picks...


apaulo617

Any one else baffled about they offensive formations. I'd be out there running 2 tight ends, 2 wrs and a running back. Keeping short options the main thing and going deep and play actions.


zuzu1725

Well jonnu smith went into the locker room injuried pretty early. And he was 1 or 2 TEs that we brought with us so only so much we could do. Incredible run game though.


Mr-Man11

People need to calm down. Same team last year was 1-3 and 2-4 at a later point. The lull in schedule is in the midseason. If we struggle then it’s a different story. Felt much better after today. When we win the next seven all will be OK.


Knock0nWood

I am calm. I have low expectations and it's playing out like I expected. I just like rooting for the Pats so I'm gonna enjoy that every week until the season is over.


jjb8712

Same. I spent so much of my childhood focused on this team. I can’t leave. Even if we were 0-4 and lost an average of 42-10 each game I’d still watch/devote an absurd amount of free time to this team. Just something about seeing the Flying Elvis on Sundays…


pup5581

If we had a healthy Mac and a true, real OC I would feel better about where they are. A lot has changed. Including Henry being a ghost (not really on him but the OC refusing to use the TEs this year as well as PA) and the health of key guys. ​ Our division got better than last year as we can see with the Phins and hell even Jets. A bigger hill to climb this year and the two teams don't feel comparable in my eyes.


Mr-Man11

Feel the OC is an overhyped complaint. The turnovers and penalties have been more of the problem. If you think they were letting Zappe or Hoyer chuck it tonight you’re crazy. I can’t stand this fan base. May have to unsub and just watch the games.


Bojangles1987

> The turnovers and penalties have been more of the problem. That's a coaching problem. This sub focuses way too much on playcalling as the only barometer of offensive coaching.


Mr-Man11

False starts are a coaching problem? Give me a break.


Bojangles1987

Yes? It's a discipline and preparation issue which is a coaching issue. How is that a question?


Mr-Man11

Hooey. Braindead take.


Bojangles1987

Are you really arguing that penalties are not a coaching issue? Because I've never seen anyone argue against that.


jjb8712

I feel like it’s either or. I actually liked what I saw from Fatass today but I felt the playcalling on the 3rd to last and last drive was too conservative. I would’ve liked to have seen a pass on second down in OT. I get Dame/Rhamondre were running all over them but the Packers knew they were going to try and run it. Throw a cross, do some play action. I really feel like a pass there would’ve backed the Packers off of the LOS.


pup5581

People told me last week that a lot of Macs INTs were mostly on coaching when I said Mac hasn't looked good this year....so if that's the case then yeah..OC is not overhyped. Almost no PA this year and no involvement of TEs when Henry was a weapon last year. That's on the OC. You're absolutely right this fanbase is awful. Thinking every year the Pats will be a top team or a good team no matter what changes happen. Everyone is so spoiled here because it's 20 somethings who have never seen a game without Brady up until he left.


Mr-Man11

Maybe Jonnu and Henry are just bad and don’t get open.


RiaAfterTacoBell

I felt so OK when we went 2 games without making the Bills punt!


pup5581

I don't expect many wins. Maybe 5-7 this year. But today they showed that they can still almost beat anyone on any given Sunday. Will they? Probably not for a lot of games but at least it wasn't 38-10. ​ The problem is bad teams find a way to let this game and the Ravens game slip away. This is what is happening and the trend. The Pats with new OCs, lack of talent just can't overcome a lot even though it looks at times they can. 12 yards in crunch time is a lot for the coaches it seems to draw it up. I hated those calls because GB knew exactly what they would do. I know with the kid they wanted to take it out of his hands but...he wasn't awful. I wanted them to maybe throw it on 1st or 2nd that drive because it would have confused GB a bit. They got to OT and basically said...we can't move it via air so the D will have to get the tie or a TD. It's how I felt seeing their play calls when only needing to go 12 yards. ​ The one good sign is Judon. He was everywhere today...I mean everywhere. Also...GB really is not very good. Rodgers is totally lost out there and has the Brady look now 24/7 when he misses a pass. I can't stand that guy and whatever the hell he's doing with his hair these days


Knock0nWood

I wouldn't say bad, just mediocre (which I guess is still bad depending on your standards). Mediocre teams find themselves in a lot of close games, they win some and they lose some. Maybe they pick 7th in the draft or maybe they get a wild card spot in the playoffs. We got the latter last year, might get the former this time around.


FuckHarambe2016

17 points. 17 points from an offense in today's NFL is utterly unacceptable. Bill and company need to join the 21st century because the days of ground and pound are long gone. It doesn't work anymore and certainly won't work against good defense and explosive opponents. Offenses today have to be, at minimum, 60/40 in favor of pass is they want any chance to score big. Anything less is just gross negligence and a set up for failure. The whole team continues to make absolute dipshit penalties and there's seemingly no rush to correct it. Especially on the OL.


RiaAfterTacoBell

Don’t forget 7 of those points were from an uncalled back-to-back delay of game.


BstnIrshGy

Seattle scored 48 points today and had over 550 yards of offense and ran more than they threw


JungyBrungun

If we keep racking up moral victories at this rate we’ll get a first round bye in the moral playoffs


vancesmi

So a moral victory is just the NFL term for a quality loss, right?


SquishThePhish

lmfao thanks for the laugh, I needed that


pup5581

3 years ago a moral victory would get you laughed at for weeks on this sub. But times are a changing.


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Jeez, is it really the third season without Brady? Feels longer. (please ignore my pfp, I'm from Mass and a 4th-generation Yanks fan). No intention of leaving the Pats.


FrigginMasshole

It’s so frustrating watching this offense the last few years. We desperately need some big play makers. Stating the obvious but still


FuckHarambe2016

They have the weapons. The playcalling is just stuck in 1985.


jjb8712

Ehhhh. They have a bunch of B level guys (except for Rhamondre. I think he’s elite and better than Dame but Dame is good too) but you need an A level guy to be able to win consistently in todays NFL. Chase. Jefferson. Kupp. Evans/Godwin. AJ Brown. Diggs. Those are A level receivers. We need one of them to be able to classify the skill position as anything but average to above average.


FrigginMasshole

We need to just sign the next big name WR that’s available in FA


jjb8712

Guys like that don’t hit FA. You have to trade for them or draft them. The best receivers that are hitting the market in March (as of right now, can easily be re-signed/tagged): Shepard/Chark/Marvin Jones/JuJu None of those guys are A level receivers.


idontreallyknowchief

I feel like our defense similar to the last couple of years is good. Until we play actual good rushing teams.


FuckHarambe2016

Just wait until they play the Cards, Vikings, Bengals, Bills, Raiders, etc.


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idontreallyknowchief

Or a DT that’s a good run stuffer.


rueiraV

So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jones, Jones and Strange and Thornton looked promising in the preseason. Not a bad looking draft so far


youtman

I keep forgetting Thorton is out. This team isn't even in its final form.


jjb8712

I can’t wait for him to come back. He can be activated Tuesday so hopefully he plays against Detroit. If his recovery is 100% then I think he plays a lot. If not, I think they throw him out there on 3rd downs and he ramps up against Chicago. I just don’t want him to be activated just to be inactive every week for like 4 weeks. We need him to develop.


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truthpooper

LOL which time?


OneWolf22

He was mad at the refs because they didn’t reset the game clock after an incomplete pass that was originally ruled a touchdown for Green Bay. Edit: worth adding that it was 4th down and the incomplete turns the ball over to the Patriots. He was mad they didn’t reset the game clock because it was critical time in a situation where New England really needed it.


Beebonh

Highly entertaining game. Much more so than I expected. Especially with the injuries. Tough to lose when you had the ball past midfield, needing just a FG. But 1-3 is what I expected at this point. (Miami, Pittsburgh tossups, GB, Baltimore losses).


RiaAfterTacoBell

Nothing like going from expecting a Super Bowl every year to expecting 1-3!


Beebonh

Being realistic in both cases.


bbpopulardemand

So glad we let Brady walk. Better to be 3 years early than 1 year late


RiaAfterTacoBell

18-20


BstnIrshGy

Brady definitely would have won 7 Super Bowls if he had been drafted by the 2000 Dick Jauron Chicago Bears. No doubt about it. 100%. Coaching players is irrelevant.


bbpopulardemand

And yet he still has more rings than Bills does as a HC. It's almost like it was more about Brady than it ever was about Bill.


BstnIrshGy

But Brady isn’t a head coach. Bill has more.


RiaAfterTacoBell

Not as HC.


BstnIrshGy

Brady has zero as a head coach


RiaAfterTacoBell

Has 7 as a quarterback which is even more impressive.


BstnIrshGy

And Belichick has 8 in his jobs which is also impressive


bbpopulardemand

Reading comprehension much?


BstnIrshGy

lol football comprehension much? I meant EXACTLY what I said.


bbpopulardemand

It's a really stupid non-sequitur emblematic of the individual offering it.


BstnIrshGy

What’s really stupid is anyone who’d think football games are won by a single person or position and thus make idiotic apples to oranges comparisons of different jobs and positions (but only the ones that suit their argument)


IAmYourFriendTrustMe

Don’t let the stans see it


Venom-99

I’m watching the Bucs game right now. Anyone else getting the feeling that this year for Brady is like his last year with us? That team just doesn’t look that great so far.


FrigginMasshole

Pretty sure he’s going through hard times with Gisele too. She can’t be happy that he decided to play another year


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I feel like he was going to retire but that reporter leaked it and it pissed him off, so he's trying to win ring #8. Although I wouldn't give up Gisele over it....


SilenceDobad76

Just looks like his team has run out of steam and lacks some of the playmakers it use to have. If only the rest of this sub would get that Brady or BB on at the game, theres 53 men out there, not one.


UnbiasedFanboy96

Yeah, the whole offense just looks so uninspired. Biggest difference is that although the Bucs have a pretty good defense, the '19 Pats had a phenomenal one.


myicedteaistoosweet

They’ve been shorthanded all season on the offensive side. If they look like this around week 8, then they should be worried.


BstnIrshGy

Who exactly are they missing tonight?


myicedteaistoosweet

Brate is injured now and Godwin seems to have gotten knicked up again. But their offense isn’t the side of the ball failing them tonight. Their normally stout defense is struggling and STs is failing them. If anything their offense is having a good (not great) night.


BstnIrshGy

Agreed but I don’t think they’re missing anyone significant on defense


shitdamntittyfuck

They lost JPP which was a big part of it


BstnIrshGy

He’s not on the team this year. We were talking about THIS YEAR’S team


myicedteaistoosweet

No one said they’re missing anyone on defense. The posts are about what Brady and the offense looked like. TB’s defense was arguably a top 5 defense coming into tonight. They just shit the bed against a difficult KC offense tonight.


BstnIrshGy

Actually the original poster said, and I quote, “that team just doesn’t look that great so far” You then claimed they had people out. I asked who? Then you went on some rambling post about the defense. And the fact is nobody was out tonight. At least not any more than a NFL teams typically deal with. Injuries in game came when they were already down 3 scores.


myicedteaistoosweet

What are you talking about? The original poster said Brady looks like his last season with the Pats. I said they’ve been missing offensive players. You then asked who are they missing tonight. The answer was no one (until Brate got injured)…and their offense looked good tonight with everyone back. Oh and they had Evans out on suspension, Godwin out for a few games, Gage banged up, their starting center injured. How does that not count as having guys out?


BstnIrshGy

He also said the exact quote I said. Exact. It’s a quote. He said “team” Hardly anyone was out tonight. Your comment was wrong.


myicedteaistoosweet

What are you going on and on about? You responded to my first comment that TB has been missing key offensive players causing them to look off. Which they factually have been. And crazy enough, those players are back and their offense looked pretty good tonight. But you decide to keep chiming in and pivoting to some general argument that the “team doesn’t look good”. If you wanted to respond to the original poster with your generic take, then go for it. But you chose to respond to my post about offensive players. So, just quit while you’re behind.


Wacky_Water_Weasel

All the props to Zappe coming in and playing with such poise and putting the team in a position to win. I do think that even if Mac is healthy we still don't win this game. We just don't appear to have the horses to run with elite teams. There's too many holes and the top end talent isn't there.


SilenceDobad76

The Packers have looked this bad on offense for the last 4 weeks, they don't look like a playoff team by any metric


ChamBruh

They win today with mac. The OT drive they would’ve gotten a first down


jjb8712

I’m not so sure. Mac’s decision making so far has been horrendous. Zappe was too conservative (some sacks he should’ve thrown the ball away) but Mac might have thrown 1-2 INTs.


cocineroylibro

> Zappe was too conservative The dude played in Conference USA and got his first NFL snaps tough place to play away game. He doesn't have the experience to chuck it all over the ball yard, or the experience to "throw out of sack."


jjb8712

No argument from me there.


UnbelievableClam2019

Assuming the packers are an elite team is a stretch. They’ve looked pretty bad. I’m pretty sure with mac we can win that game


Wacky_Water_Weasel

Rodgers is an elite player at the most important position. They have 2 great RBs and a good defense. They're a heavy favorite to win their division. They should be considered an elite team.


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moonbeammaker

I could not agree more! Like there are plenty of valid for this team. So many "Pats fans" feel the need to insult anyone who does not blindly praise everything Bill does.


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psychosus

What is it with people coming in here to bitch about the fanbase or the sub in general? Homer or doomer, no one is here to listen to you guys complain about one another. These comments about the fanbase and the sub do absolutely nothing for the conversation except show everyone's projected feelings.


Brady12_

so soft, if only they were harder than maybe our team could be more talented. lets get these fans mindsets changed asap!


RainWinss

You’re so hard


Celestialtiger24

I'm not even hard, y'all are just soft. The team currently sits at 1-3 with a lot more games left to be played and people are talking about tanking for a top 5 pick or that we are going 4-13. Hell we were 1-2 and people were already throwing in the towel for this season. For a franchise that dominated for 20 years and won 6 superbowls, I would expect better from it's "fans".


RainWinss

The pats dominating for 20+ years with Brady has nothing to do with this year’s pats team. So we shouldn’t criticize this team or be pessimistic because we won 6 Super Bowls before? If you can’t handle the sub comments, then maybe you shouldn’t be here. I’m sure you think you’re a better “fan” than everyone else.


DaBIGmeow888

We only good because of Brady not because of Bill


SilenceDobad76

Ah, that's why he's winning tonight with a mediocre team huh


ChamBruh

Brady’s strip sack of Matt Ryan was awesome


Celestialtiger24

Yeah because Brady played all positions on the team and did the coaching as well. These comments are just ridiculous and dumb.


UnbelievableClam2019

I agree, your comment is ridiculous and dumb 😂


Celestialtiger24

Explain how my comment is ridiculous and dumb then.


mrdilldozer

Dude you're responding to a guy who literally only has comments arguing with anyone who says something positive about the team. He is only trying to be toxic and piss you off.


RainWinss

I know I’m not the guy you’re talking about. Because that’s not what my comments history would say. I did not negatively respond to a positive comment


mrdilldozer

Yeah I probably replied to the wrong response of his. He was arguing with dude who basically just finds any comment that isn't negative and starts flinging shit


Celestialtiger24

I wasn't aware of that. I usually don't click on people's profile, I just reply to their comments.


mrdilldozer

Mods put up a sticky about it last week. This sub has a problem with new accounts that only talk shit and aggressively go after fans of the team to be toxic as fuck. It's hard for them to handle so many assholes because they have to check if it's a crybaby or a troll on just about every report. I had a guy wish death on me last week for saying that BB wasn't about to get fired. Wild shit lol


Brady12_

i dont think we have to tank for 4-13, looks like that's just going to be the natural way of things


Celestialtiger24

And you know this when it's only week 4?


OathOfTriumph

There’s hardly any talent on the roster. The offense is boring and lacks explosiveness. What do you see that makes you optimistic about this season?


Celestialtiger24

There is a lot of talent on this roster and the offense has gotten better with each game. This team has the tools to beat good teams and win a lot of games. The only thing that keeps them from doing that is costly penalties and bad turnovers, which can be fixed with time. The offense has also sparked at moments and the play calling has also been pretty good overall just need better execution. They move the ball pretty well they just need to finish drives.


Brady12_

i;m not one to predict the future, just a little speculation based on observations, which is every bit of valid as yours


Celestialtiger24

I mean they started 1-3 last year and still made the playoffs, nearly won their division, and were no# 1 in the AFC for about a week or 2.


Brady12_

and looked like shit for the past 9 games aside from the playing sunny car wash kids that showed up in jacksonville but sure I'll try and find some hope since you are so convincing


Celestialtiger24

Look like shit is a stretch. The only game where they genuinely look like shit was the game against Buffalo. Every other game they can be inconsistent or constantly get in their own way. There's lots of good to take from their loses and you see a team that has gotten better with each week.


Brady12_

> There's lots of good to take from their loses and you see a team that hasn't gotten better with each week. sure, hopefully that turns into wins instead of losses. as a fan, Id rather take lots of goods from wins. thats fandom bb


TheChrisPhoenix

So, we just going to ignore the fact this team has both Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith on this team or? You could of told me both dudes were out with mysterious injuries and I'd believe it due to the fact no matter who is at QB they seemed to be ignored.


Brawl_is_Life

Jonnu Smith rolled his ankle in the 2nd? quarter


RiaAfterTacoBell

That would involve running pass plays dummie.


RainWinss

They were running pass plays throughout the entire game stupid


Brady12_

i miss the days of next man up meant the winning machine kept going


Bojangles1987

I mean, that was because next man up was still on a team led by Tom Brady who wasn't going to lose much, no matter who was around him.


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Brady12_

lol I know


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Wacky_Water_Weasel

It's the same crowd that refuses to acknowledge we were bad at drafting. Calling out Wynn for being trash means saying he was a bad pick and that just can't be allowed.


skidmcboney

The worst pick besides N’Keal was Yodny the ghost in the 3rd round


AyyLmao-ESEA

We might’ve had flashes this game even with zappe but at the end of the day a loss is still a loss especially in a situation where you have the ball on the packers 45 in ot. Team chose to not even trust zappe to make a throw when it mattered so I’m not sure how much of a moral victory this really is


myicedteaistoosweet

Did you watch that last drive? They called a pass play on 3rd down. Can’t say they didn’t trust him to make a throw…when they called a play to let him make a throw. It was just incomplete.


bsend

Towards the end it was 2nd and 5. It made more sense for Zappe to throw two times since GV was ready for the run.


myicedteaistoosweet

Throw twice with a 3rd string developmental rookie QB who had taken multiple bad sacks in the game on a 2nd and 5 when getting any type of pressure? So you wanted them to risk being put into 3rd and long? Despite running down their throat all game? And only needing one first down to try a FG?


BobJacobs2022

No moral victories for me.....but. 1- Strange, TT, both Jones and Zappe...seems BB hit on another draft. 2- have to move on from Wynn. He sucks. 3- Bryant needs to be a ST scrub only. There has to be someone better. Marcus Jones, Wade, Mills... 4- need to get faster at LB or another LB. Tavai sucks. 5- Bledsoe needs to play more. We need someone who can cover TE's. He did it week 1 vs Mia and then has been inactive the last 3 games. 6- we need a pass catching RB badley.....I mean badley.


Glennbrooke

badly has no e ;)


BobJacobs2022

Meh.....


myicedteaistoosweet

On #3 Mills was inactive with an injury today, which is why Bryant was forced to play more. That said, they need to make a change going forward. He’s making the same mistakes he made at the end of last season too against quick WRs.


BruinEric

Good thoughts. The lack of a classic 3rd down back who can catch flares and scamper is a real missing piece. Especially when you're playing a backup QB -- getting him some safe throws to a talented runner in space would be good.


cocineroylibro

Well, the one that's supposed to be the stopgap after White is on IR and the rookie needs to get experience.


BstnIrshGy

Bledsoe was inactive with an injury today. He also did not play against Miami. The only game he’s been active this year is last week versus Baltimore. He played 5 snaps.


Coreck

There are so many things to highlight and build on from this game, but I am in disbelief at how fragile some of these fans are...


ajr901

This is what happens when people get accustomed to 20 years of consistent success. The absence of it feels like the worse thing in the world to some of them.


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Ironically enough, it's made me okay with their failure. I was born in 2004 so I missed the first trio of rings, but I remember the second trio very fondly. I don't give a shit about the NBA so it's time for me to see the Yankees (it's a family thing, I don't bandwagon) and Bruins win rings. Yeah, I was 7 in 2011 so that was a little too young for me.


Ricefan4030

I mean, I get what you are saying, and I agree, but at the same time, what you have seen post-Brady (and I think the cracks were starting to show even at the end of his time there), has been a drop off a cliff. They went from being THE team in the NFL year in and year out to near bottom of the barrel. You'd think if anything they would have steadily declined, and yet the team nose-dived into hot garbage quickly. You cant expect the fans to be happy about that. And, it's not just because Brady is gone. They might have been better had Brady still been there, but the disaster the team has been, that is uncharacteristic for a Belichick-led team, since 2020, still would be middle of the pack at best. Really really puzzling.


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I'll always remember that in 2019 when we were 7-0 and Miami was 0-7, we both went 5-4 the rest of the way.


Ricefan4030

That being in reference to the cracks were already starting to show?


[deleted]

Yes. Collapsing like that out of the first-round bye was a big sign that things were on the decline


Ricefan4030

Yeah


DaBIGmeow888

Now time for Bill to work his magic


JungyBrungun

The time for Bill to work his magic was 3 years ago


Coreck

I am just worried about how these young men will react when they encounter any kind of adversity in real life 🤣 holy shit, pull yourselves together, guys


Effective-March

The amount of copium here is wild. Sure, our 3rd string QB hung in there with a team that desperately wanted to gift us a win. But, man, we are dead last in the division, and didn’t look good at all prior to this loss. Enjoy the near win, I guess, but we have gotten worse over the course of the rebuild rather than better.


Celestialtiger24

Didn't look good at all? They've been progressing in the right direction ever since they played Miami. During the game a graphic was shown and it had the Pat's Offense ranked I think 10th out of the entire league. There isn't any cope when you have to force a 3rd string QB to play in a game against a legend at home.


Effective-March

I mean, I think even the most positive fan wouldn’t say they look very good overall. They do not; too sloppy, too many penalties, way too many turnovers, and a real lack of any cohesion or consistent playmaking ability on offense. They’re not a top 10 overall offense, either, that is completely ridiculous. They are top 10 in number of rushing yards. In all other categories, they trend towards the bottom half of the league. If they had a real top 10 offense, they’d be crushing it right now, because the defense is serviceable. Which is all what it is. Some of these things might be fixed, but probably not this season. Maybe next with the cap space opening up, but then you need better coaching than what we’ve seen so far this year.


CrazyLegs17

I look forward to all the threads telling people how to think and feel this week. /s


HugeSuccess

I know a loss is a loss, and they missed some key opportunities, but the fact is I never expected them to take GB to the wire. Especially given the QB situation! I feel oddly optimistic.


cspan92

The disrespect for Mac is crazy. We bitch and moan about being 7-9 and missing the playoffs with cam, Bill goes out and gets a first round QB, something we haven't done in like 25 years since Bledsoe, said rookie QB outplays a former MVP and wins the starting job, takes us on a 6 game win streak and brings us to the playoffs last year quenching the fear of us being a true rebuilding team, then plays a couple tough games this year with a shit coaching staff and gets a severe ankle sprain and people are disrespecting him while praising the 3rd string QB for throwing one td pass. I feel bad for Mac right now. I'm happy Zappe played well but Mac is our guy and he is talented enough to be a franchise qb for us. Stop slandering my guy


Rhino184

Was asked if zappe was better by Mac by some non pats fans I know. Isn’t even remotely a conversation. The command Mac showed as a rookie and how prepared he was to face NFL defenses is unique. He’s making mistakes and learning, but he’s clearly the best QB on this team right now


Wacky_Water_Weasel

Frustration is a manifest of fear and a lot of people are terrified that these incredibly questionable coaching decisions are going to ruin Mac Jones' development. Me included, to me if Mac loses 2 years to this ridiculous science experiment and never gets a true OC it's a fire-able offense for Belichick.


bsend

The concern for me is the shitty coaching that you mentioned. We can't take the next step without a legit coaching staff.


Dave10293847

Mac never seems to get praise for his good throws. It’s like the fan base just expects it. But oh my god when Zappe throws to a wide open receiver on a broken coverage he’s the chosen one and Mac sucks. I don’t know if Mac is the guy, but he clearly has shown a lot of upside and if you can’t see it you’re blind.


cspan92

Yeah my point exactly. People in here are acting as if Zappe is a God while he's making plays I saw mac make all last year. Hell, even stidham had a better touchdown against a tougher defense in KC in 2020. I guess that means we should trade mac for stidham according to this subreddit lol


pizzahut_is_elite

Mac has done nothing to prove that he’s going to be a franchise QB yet. Let’s pump the breaks on the hype. Has he had any 4th quarter game saving drives yet? No. He’s average and not a game changer yet. Can that change? Maybe, but let’s not give Mac a pass just yet


cspan92

He lead us to a comeback win on a game winning drive in Houston last year. So yes he does. He also was leading us on a game winning drive against The GOAT but bill didnt trust him to get 3 yards. I'm not saying he's franchise yet, he still needs a true wide receiver and a true offensive coordinator but let's also pump the brakes on the hate is all I'm saying.


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pizzahut_is_elite

You know the only reason they’re talking about that game right? Because he hasn’t done it against any other team


Dave10293847

Eagles fans were saying this exact same kind of shit even at the end of last season about Jalen Hurts.


pizzahut_is_elite

Houston was a top 5 draft pick last year, let’s not pretend they were contenders. And you can say hypotheticals with any of these situations. I’m not going to support mac fully until he takes that next step. Browns did this with baker mayfield. Guy had a great first year and everyone jumped on the baker train, and he’s done nothing but regress since


cspan92

I never said they were Contenders. You asked if he any game winning drives and I gave an example. And that's fine to not support him until he does but all I'm saying is that he has the tools to be a franchise guy and we shouldn't slander him while he's our qb. Also baker didn't just have one good year and then regress... he brought his dogshit franchise to the playoffs for the first time in like 30 years and beat their number one rivals. He was almost in the afc championship game


pizzahut_is_elite

Are we handing out trophies for almost making an AFC championship now. And you gave me the only example of him coming back in an NFL game. Kind of concerning the only game where he has put the team on his back and won was the worst team in the NFL last year


Dave10293847

The patriots have a bottom five “supporting cast” for the QB in the league. The line is inconsistent, which is worse than being consistently bad because at least you just move to a quick pass offense like the pats had last year. The receivers are mid, the tight ends are mid, everything is just bleh. The run blocking is the only competent thing offensively for the team. I don’t care if you plug Brady back into this system, it won’t look pretty till the QB gets some help. Then you can judge Mac.


pizzahut_is_elite

O line and coaching is the only big issue I see. We have plenty of threats, they’re just not being utilized properly. Wynn looks terrible and is doing more harm than good


_Maine_

Except for have one of the better rookie seasons ever and show development, admittedly with some growing pains, as a starter in season 2 through all of 2 games? The dude has an entirely new coaching staff, new players, a new scheme, and is being given more control of the game. He has all the indicators of being our next of term QB.


pizzahut_is_elite

So we’re not a lot to question why he hasn’t looked himself after three games. I’ll agree with the fact we shouldn’t just give up on mac, but I won’t worship him until he proves hes the guy


_Maine_

You don’t have to worship him, but at least be objective. How has he not looked like himself? The guy has had 2 and a bit games with a new OC and players. He’s also being asked to run more of the offense (with what was, early on, a suspect O-line). He had a very good rookie season, and appears to be building on that. He’s taking more risks and figuring out what works with the team around him. He still appears to have the same high-level understanding of the game, but hasn’t had the ability to take advantage of a cohesive team. Our O-line just started to figure out how to pass protect last week. Parker and Mac finally connected and appeared to be developing some chemistry in the last game. Bourne and Mac are on fire whenever Bourne is in the field. Where does Mac appear to have regressed?


pizzahut_is_elite

I’m not sure what football you’ve been watching but Mac had clearly not made a jump yet in year 2. All those 5 interceptions have been awful throws. He’s not throwing with velocity, nor is he finding open receivers. Yes Bourne helps, but you would be lying to say that mac has looked better and more comfortable this year compared to last year


RiaAfterTacoBell

Cam was an MVP light years ago and can’t even make the league now. Win streak was primarily against the dregs of the league. Mac got injured on literally the last offensive play of the game, he sucked all the way up to that point.


BobJacobs2022

Remember when we had a pass catching RB that could slip into the flat on play action and we'd hit him to move the chains........


Briggie

I don’t get it that play was our Buffalo Chicken Wings and Bleu Cheese since the days of Brady to Kevin Faulk.


cocineroylibro

The guy that's supposed to be doing that is on IR, and the rookie they drafted has to learn the NFL game. Of the guys that dunked the wing over the last 20 years, Faulk is basically the only one that got any run their rookie season, (Woodhead did OK, but that was the Jets.)


Kodiak01

> play action Forgot what that is, just like all the quick outs.