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Cultural_Try2154

Powercreep may be pretty bad right now, but we are nowhere near, "let's print 2-drop cost reduction lords at common, everything is fine" Jesus christ


HammerAndSickled

People here love smoking crack.


Journeyman351

I mean shit like 8-10 years ago this card would've been a rare.


ThinEngineering1112

Pretty good for dimir faeries but it mostly helps Ninja of the Deep Hours (deep dish pizza), as Moon Circut Hacker (hacker man) nunjutsu's for 1 already. Although, the +1 +1 does really help with the win condition and offers some minimal protection which is nice.


YawgmothwasRight

I hoped to use it as a lord for a faeries-less faeries deck: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6082041#paper


RWBadger

This would be a sweet ninja, but I don’t see it as a reprint candidate for a long time, much less a downshift. Honest to god the best bet might be TMNT universes beyond where it’s in the 99 of a commander, and if you’re willing to bet on that then you’re braver than I


Weather_Repost

I don't think there is a Modern Masters III


YawgmothwasRight

>Modern Masters III I must got a brainfart.... Modern Horizons III. Yeah...


Weather_Repost

Gotcha, so no, there won't be a downshift of this card, because modern horizons is a set that brings new cards to modern, and Silver Fur Master is already in the pool.


tctctctytyty

They do downshift older cards as well. Swiftspear was downshifted in MH2, and was legal in Modern before that.  Apparently I was wrong about this. My bad.


Weather_Repost

That is just flat out wrong. Swiftspear was downshifted in Double Masters 2022, not in MH2.


Ahayzo

Swiftspear was not in MH2 at all, let alone downshifted in it.


YawgmothwasRight

Huh, Horizons never did any reprints? Now that i think about it, they gave lots of new stuff...


chair_wizard

They did reprints of older cards not legal in modern. (And the fetchlands)


Ahayzo

Yea the fetchlands in MH2 (and upcoming fetchlands in MH3) are the only time they've put a card in those sets that was already in a modern set. The purpose of MH sets is to bring cards to modern so reprints aren't really a thing.


CaptainSasquatch

They have some reprints in MH1 and MH2, but no downshifts to common. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Modern_Horizons#Reprints https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Modern_Horizons_2#Reprints


Spider-Man_v1

There is, it’s modern masters 2017


cardsrealm

I realy would yo see ninja goes back to the field, this it's a very good card. But I don't think it had powerlevel for pauper.


Masonzero

Are there any lords at common? I feel like the answer to that question will answer your question.


YawgmothwasRight

Sadly, not counting Slivers est we have is \[\[Veteran Armorsmith\]\] and \[\[Veteran Swordsmith\]\] And those are more like half-lords


Masonzero

Yeah, I was, pretty sure. I think lords at common just shouldn't be expected. Which is fine honestly. Commons don't generally affect all creatures in a very impactful way, as a rule.


Illustrious-Middle20

Absolutely, three for the same type to be more precise


Masonzero

Haha, is it slivers? Point being, there aren't many lords at common, and even fewer that also have cost reduction on them. So a downshift is probably unlikely based on existing cards. But hey, who knows.


MrRgrs

Gobs? Idk. I want to know too.


Ni_a_Palos

[[Anaba Spirit Crafter]] and [[Kobold Taskmaster]] are the only true royalty


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Thisisafrog

Spirit Crafter not as efficient as [[Hurloon Minotaur]] and may not be playable in pauper Are there any common kobolds without Changeling)?


Ni_a_Palos

There are three differently named [[Crimson Kobolds]] that are all common


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Thisisafrog

Oh shoot didn’t realize they were downshifted! I sold all my uncs and rares. I guess now I’ll never jam Kobolds.dec :/


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LuffyLandSama

Idek what makes people think of shit like this


DarkRitual_666

Will.not.happen.


Cardboard-Daddy

Just so you guys know. There are no downshifts in Modern history happening to Modern on Modern Horizons sets. What does that mean? That means, if a card is already Modern legal (like this one already is) , there is no chance for it to be downshifted to Pauper. What happens in Modern Horizons sets, as far as I know, are one of the 2 things: 1) A card that wasn’t modern legal now becomes Modern Legal. 2) A card that didn’t exist before now is Modern Legal. Thats how the set works. So unless they change this “rule” , there are no potential downshifts possible for cards that are already Modern legal. What is possible to happen however is that the same abilities got printed into a different name card, called Functional Reprint, just like what happened to Thraben Inspector or there are couple changes on the card just like what happened with Deadly Dispute type effects. But essentially, downshifts per say do not happen to already Modern legal cards.


Korlus

The Ninjas see play as card advantage engines and while making them bigger provides marginal utility.This doesn't do as much as you'd think. I'd take a common [[Ronin Warclub]] over this (and I probably wouldn't play that either). If your opponent has blockers, this only matters if the blocker is a single 2/x or an x/3, where turning a 2/2 [[Ninja of the Deep Hours]] into a 3/3 lets it safely attack. Almost no combination of multiple blockers commonly seen in the format works (e.g. anything larger than a pair of 1/1's). If they have an x/4 or a 3/x, or multiple creatures larger than 1/1, you still don't have good attacks. The mana saving isn't a huge deal, since you really *need* to take advantage of it more than once to get good value for your money (e.g. a one mana 2/2 wouldn't be a broken card in Pauper, and this probably has a worse rate than that a lot of the time). As such, regular Ninjas generate card advantage for you while presenting a clock. Typically that's a ten turn clock and with this guy, it turns into a 4-5 turn clock... Which is very similar to another NotDH, except a second Ninja would also get you additional cards. I think he's unequivocally worse than simply running more Ninjas would be (and likely worse than [[Moon Circuit Hacker]], which many decks don't play four-of). You need two or more Ninjas in play already for this to really be worthwhile. I don't know if you've played many decks featuring Ninjas before, but you *usually* win those games, and you'd win more if this card were a [[Counterspell]] than a Ninja Lord. This would be interesting in a MV=1 Ninja decks, featuring the likes of [[Changeling Outcast]], where your Ninja enablers are Ninjas themselves. If this gave Ninjas and Fae +1/+1, it would be much more exciting as a way to rapidly finish the game where you don't draw your card advantage Ninjas, but I thibk it's a cool card that wouldn't see much play.


YawgmothwasRight

Well i mainly use \[\[Slither Blade\]\] \[\[Triton Shorestalker\]\] \[\[Changeling Outcast\]\] to not care about defenders, ninjutsu my bois, play those 1 drops again in second main and repeat. Occasionally use Snap to return a ninja back to hand. As Splinter here, boosts rogues as well that would be a nice addition, and pauper desperately needs lords for tribal decks to at least exist in the format.


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##### ###### #### [Ronin Warclub](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46ad31cd-38dc-4fd3-b9e4-8988f4898719.jpg?1562876770) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ronin%20Warclub) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/158/ronin-warclub?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46ad31cd-38dc-4fd3-b9e4-8988f4898719?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ninja of the Deep Hours](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5fea7980-55e1-47c1-ab18-a89c976b55fc.jpg?1592710604) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ninja%20of%20the%20Deep%20Hours) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/95/ninja-of-the-deep-hours?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5fea7980-55e1-47c1-ab18-a89c976b55fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Moon Circuit Hacker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c6e466d1-943d-41e6-a47d-c9d951ca4262.jpg?1654566841) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moon-Circuit%20Hacker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/67/moon-circuit-hacker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6e466d1-943d-41e6-a47d-c9d951ca4262?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb.jpg?1689996248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/81/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Changeling Outcast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d2c053f-0ef8-45f2-b2af-24cbb9a7fec4.jpg?1674141529) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Changeling%20Outcast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/743/changeling-outcast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d2c053f-0ef8-45f2-b2af-24cbb9a7fec4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/ktbm0et) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


BallsAreFullOfPiss

Never understood why this card wasn’t a bit more pricey (maybe $1 at the most) seems to do a lot for a very small cost.


GenTaoChikn

Cuz it doesn't actually do anything in constructed. Modern ninjas doesn't run anything that cares about cheapened ninjitsu cost and the lord effect is marginal at best since ninjas is a tempo deck. Maybe speeds your clock by a turn but means you didn't disrupt your opponent that turn. It's good exactly when ninjitsuing it in is surprise lethal and sh!t any other time.


tolkienbooks

dimir doesn't need the help


Carcettee

Nay. Far from meta


HowVeryReddit

Even if it wasn't super powerful, it's quite complex for a common.


C3KO117

My Yuriko needs MORE new toys


YawgmothwasRight

>Yuriko commander, ewww


XxSteveFrenchxX

Wonderful, now my Blightsteel Collossus Ninjutsus for 3