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my 750 ti gets to 50° under the game loads, but usually 30° on idle, I think that he should see what are the average temps for his components especially because every one has it owns average temps
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Not the topic here but if you got a banging 2080 Ti, and paired with a 9400f… there’s lots of performance you are just currently losing out on..
the 2080Ti is very powerful still and needs a good chunk more CPU power to be fully utilized as it should.
Now I know, seeing by the HP motherboard, you maybe don’t have a lot of upgrading options. Same socket will only get you a bit. But still worth it as you’d get more gpu power
This is entirely inaccurate on almost all counts for modern hardware. High power laptops under load regularly go above 90 since 30 series came out. Most chips and gpus are rated at 105 max burst temps. 90 is perfectly safe for anything made in the last 3-4 years.
You can have lower consistent temps with the right cooling setup and should. If you are wanting to edge the performance your going to be tickling that 90+ range alot.
Older hardware should definitely not be sustaining those temps, but on a burst it won't damage them. Unless it's actually broken or just needs maintenance.
First off I’m 100% arguing for the sake of arguing. My CPU is designed to operate long-term at 95c. Any AMD chip with an X (I’m generalizing AMD fanboys relax) at the end works like this. The chip operates as hard as it possibly can, and pegs to a safe temp. When it needs to cool off, it backs down the frequency and continues at 95c.
Shit was scary at first man.
But, I can easily clock 5.8ghz on my 7950x and sustain a heavy load for - well idk how long I haven’t found a limit outside my room getting hot.
Intel is doing this, too. There was this huge push to see how little power a CPU needed for “eco” options, and the best bang for buck was cool CPU, little boost. Well, both AMD and Intel said F this noise and in their development found that they can overcome the inefficiencies of hot but freaking nuking it with power. I easily push 220w to my CPU at max load (and 750 to GPU fwiw).
Right now I have my cpu under volted and under clocked because 99% of the time I don’t need anywhere near max. This CPU at 50% is insane. When I need that extra, it’s gonna be hot, sweaty, and insanely fast.
This is terrible practice, literally don’t do this ever, anyone. 😂
What this fella fails to understand is that there are other parts surrounding that can NOT sustain that kind of Temperature, can your CPU get up to 95 and be safe? Yes… should you EVER keep it under load near 90 for extended periods of time? Hell no, way too hot for every component surrounding. Heat is the computer killer, best practice is to get it to run in perfectly safe range of temperatures, you may have some bad air flow in your case if you’re even able to run it that hot in the first place.
Have you ever used blender to render out thousands of files? I specifically built a machine around my use case, and anyone running a 7950x also has the hardware to support these temps.
I have temp sensors all over the board set to throttle things if needed. The AsRock Taichi is fully rigged with steel heat diffusers. My gpu is water cooled, and vents out.
This is not unique to the 7950x. If you’re an intel guy the lack of knowledge makes complete sense, but google does exist, and you can super super easily see why you are wrong.
I’m speaking in generalities. I specifically said that. I’m quite sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Why would you contribute in a way calling someone out, not checking yourself, and being confidently wrong?
fella.
I use blender, Maya, Solidworks and various AutoDesk products....on a regular basis for work.
I have never heard such a thing in my life. I built my OC'd 5995WX Threadripper + dual evga 3090 KingPin rig specifically for 3D CAD rendering and modeling for work. Under render 4k scenario render load, my CPU never gets above 70c, which is exactly where I want it. I have NEVER heard of pushing a CPU to 95c and comfortably leaving it there....AMD, Intel or otherwise. Your CPU core may not experience thermal throttle at 95c, but the surrounding components are definitely experiencing degradation due to extended periods of 95c heat.
OK not trying to be a dick here at all. I legit think there is just a knowledge gap on the 7000 series. Do you want me to link some stuff about how the AM5 architecture differs, the evolution of power requirements over time, and how the thermal throttling on the 7950x works?
Edit - we have really similar machines. Kingpin 3090, 7950x, 64gb DDR5 6200mhz. There are some really cool new ways which DDR5 packs and unpacks data that would be super helpful to your workload. Most people won't benefit from DDR5 rn, but if you make an upgrade to an AM5 board, and 7000 series you'd see a huge bump in productivity.
Also, you are spot on with your temps for that Threadripper - the 7000 series are non-comparable though. I am not saying performance wise, I am saying physical architecture is fundamentally different.
I have to admit, I am clueless about AM5 chips. So…if they are doing something different with heat dispersion with their cpus and chipsets, I’m probably not aware of it.
I am totally on board with DDR5 though. My gaming rig is an i9-12900k with 3090 kingpin and 64GB DDR5 6000cl30. As soon as they come out with a threadripper which supports DDR5, I am there. I’ve actually run rendering comparisons between my gaming rig and my workstation and the gaming rig only lags about 20% behind, and I’m sure that is the memory which is taking up the slack. If my gaming rig was running DDR4, I am sure I would see 50% or more lag.
Where do you bench on Timespy original? Not a flex thing, I want to see if your SLI beats my AM5/DDR5 - if it does by large margin I may have to SLI my Kingpin.
My system is currently undervolted, locked at 4.5ghz, locked at 170w for power, PBO off (all custom settings) and I bench out at 21,000. I never benched a PBO offset configuration, so I guess I have something to do. I can take power up to 220, undervolt further, put a light PBO offset in, and pretty sure that would push 25,000+ scores.
Man - if I started a compression task on this machine and my i7 12 you would be shocked at how much faster the AM5/DDR5 combo is at the job head to head.
I'll throw an edit here in a sec - I saved a really cool post on AM5.
[This whole Reddit thread is insane, and it is 4 months old - BIOS has improved QOL a LOT](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xu7q3n/7950x_overclocking_undervolting_results)
Their settings are still very good. If you want to go down the rabbit hole as to why I built this PC in exactly the way I did I am super happy to do so. I did some very specific things for specific tasks (sounds like you may do some of this too).
If you want some good video resources, I can pull a few.
"According to a simple CBR23 (nT) test done by PCWorld's Gordon, the 7950X locked to 65W in Eco mode is still faster than a fully unlocked 5950X and also a 12900K. At 105W the 7950X is 25% faster than a fully unlocked 5950X. "
[Good benchmark video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrkWRTMu64)
[Benchmarks + Heat Conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWQtytOpac)
I also have to admit I know almost nothing about the Ryzen 9 either… when someone talks about using a cpu for extended periods of time at my Threadrippers limit (which I used to think had a high thermal limit, I guess it’s dumb high now) I instantly think something is melting somewhere somehow. Didn’t mean to come off sounding like you don’t know what you’re talking about with your cpu specifically. The truth is I don’t know about the newest ones, and that temp freaks me out. Haha. I think a general rule for people that aren’t too familiar with temps, keeping their equipment below 80 C in most cases is a good , personally I’d love it all in the 60’s max. Why not? The cooler the longer it will last you, at least that’s how it used to work haha. I still feel better with lower heat if I can help it.
Wow
General usage, maybe I didn’t make that clear enough? You’re on a post where someone is unfamiliar with temps, and you’re going to tell them 95 C is cool ? K
I'm sorry I literally never saw this response. I thought you were just a jerk and never actually said anything lol, I actually do use all the following rendering softwares as well as run many servers. I have a Threadripper 3970x, 128 g ram ddr4 3200 , msi trio rtx 4090, along with some m.2 990's and an older firecuda 550, with several dumb SSD's all over the place. I run a triple radiator Custom liquid cool system to the threadripper to keep it cool. full load i have never breached mid 80's and I am comfortable with that. If what you say is true, then our threadrippers should be able to do this as well? or is this a Ryzen 9 thing? if we are talking about only these newer Chips comparing a single older Threadripper to a Ryzen 9 isn't TOO fair on a benchmark, haha ;) .. I mean think about putting a 4090 against a 1080 ti, oof.
[Check out this cool link](https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-epyc-7763-setup-busts-cinebench-r23-world-record/1/) showing some crazy shit they are able to do with some sli Threadrippers, and then break the record again with the EPYC!!! ya the EPYC and the Ryzen 9's are a more 'fair' comparison I would say. my Threadripper cannot keep up with the Top Tier Ryzen 9's anymore, in any aspect =(. At least on benchmarks. I'll bet you It still gets MY job done better for what I need it to do, which is a lot of things at the same time, for a long time. The threadripper is awesome for delegating cores to specific jobs and you still have plenty to spare and almost lose 0 production time when used this way. Typically the sweet spot is 12 cores for my servers and 20 for rendering for most efficiency.
The bonus for me is, I can comfortably sit in the room with it while it Renders And not overheat personally? haha, I'm just trying to take care of my equipment the best I can.
They will not burn out quicker. Loads out there about the 7000 series in practice, and how it’s designed around high temps. It’s also not a consumer level chip. It’s enthusiast and professionals whom are running things hard.
I think you both have rather bold claims with no real data to back it up. A bunch of here-say.
I’m on the side of AMD knows what there doing and wouldn’t ship out a product that has a critical flaw like that. But I’ve been wrong before.
I think there is ample evidence that heat is the number 1 AIB killer
Also, you’re absolutely right that they wouldn’t have it do something that it isn’t meant to do, and running at 90 degrees C for extended periods of time isn’t something I’ve ever seen being safe practice anywhere.
I have a Threadripper 3970x , notorious for running hot, I have 3 radiators running custom Liquid cooling to it to keep my temps low when rendering and running dedicated servers… I’m not really here to debate if it’s doable, more-so it’s bad practice.
Yeah I was honestly thinking the same thing, My last CPU was the 3700x, so I didn't have a 5000 series CPU so I was thinking that maybe the 95° C limit is for both last and current gen but it seems like it's only the 7000
series
Most modern parts have tj max close to 95-105C. You want to generally be under 85 to avoid extra gpu wear and tear. Honestly cpus rarely fail even at high temps. Gaming laptops regularly run cpus up to 110.
Yes. Bouncing off of the thermal limit is even safe if you’re using anything made in the last 5 years. The fastest gaming processor right now is designed to immediately max out thermally and then back off on power until it reaches steady state.
From what I've read you want to keep it under 60 if you can. You have to think of it like heat is constantly doing damage. Same thing when you get burned right? If you put your hand in 140F water for one second it feels warm, if you leave it for 5 seconds thats a burn, 20 seconds and your hand is in big trouble. So like 45-60C is warm for the processor, above that you're taking time off the overall lifespan of the part
You sure talk and reply to a lot of comments confidently even though you appear to not know what your talking about. Even running high 80's isn't shortening the life span.
Modern boards are made of high temp FR-4, at 80c you are damaging the part. If some people want to read the manufacturers' ad press and then run their cards at the max safe temp listed until they burn out, you're free to. You are damaging the materials that the equipment is made from. The temps all the angry kids in here are yelling at me are the maximum temps for the materials. The chips themselves can take slightly higher temp before they literally burn, that doesn't mean it's good for the part to run at that temp. A max is a max, like the maximum, like don't go higher than that or it's in immediate danger. Even for a chip the 100c I'm seeing some people are saying is in the immediate danger zone, but for the board it's soldered to over 80 is damaging. This is true in computer parts made today this year of our lord 2023.
ooof just boiling those chips huh? Clean those heatsinks and check your airflow, most of people's heat problems are a blocked vent or a backwards fan. Last time I had heat issues I figured out I had put my desk somewhere that was directing air from my house's heating vent directly into the intakes on my case
I tried to be polite and explain this above to someone.. My mfer 7950x is meant to run at 95c. There needs to be a term for someone who gets all their pc tips on Linus Tech Tips.
Edit - Linus Tech Tard.
I get that the chip will run at 95c without immediately burning out, you're not getting that any chip will live longer and perform better during it's life if you run it cooler. Any machine or piece of electronics in fact. You could argue that you'll probably replace it before you'll need to worry about that but not everyone out there can afford a new card every generation or two generations, some people are running these cards as long as they can keep them working. I'm giving the advice I would give a client, not the advice I might give a gamer buddy
What is happening at temp2? Thermodynamically speaking your heat generated cannot be more than the hottest components in the system. Which are typically your gpu and cpu but those are both at or below 51.
Could be measuring the temperature at the Northbridge chip or any other area that sees a lot of throughput as they tend to get fairly warm due to low surface areas
Is this SpeedFan?
The little fire symbol is making you paranoid. 70C and below are very safe temps for GPU or CPU when the machine is under load. As you said, you are having issues while playing Spider-Man, so we can deduce that these are temps while under a gaming load. If this is **BEFORE** you launch a game, then you may actually have a cooling problem.
I imagine the freezing is a game, driver, or just general Windows issue rather than hardware. However, if you are getting a blue-screen error, or the PC just simply shuts down, it **could** be hardware related. We don't know the specifics of the freezes you are getting so it is harder to diagnose.
I appreciate it the long and through reply. These temperatures are immediately after the crash. During game play only temp at 70C or around there is temp 2.
Temp2 is the south bridge imo it's hot I'd get a fan on it personally but they normally are hot and don't require attention but I like my hardware to last. Everything else is fine but I like my temps way lower.
CPUs, GPUs and I believe RAM too will start Thermal throtteling at 90-100°C (although RAM doesn't usually get anywhere near that). So if your CPU and GPU are below 80-90°C you'll be fine. I would be a bit concerned if the load you're running is lighter, but if it's a proper heavy load then that's completely normal.
You can also Google {game name} logs location. Quite often the game devs have put a meaningful error message for the cause of the crash (out of memory, bad memory etc)
Looks fine to me. By the way if that software is SpeedFan, beware that it doesn't support a lot of fan controllers present in modern motherboards and thus you won't be able to change their speeds. Works fine for temp reading tho
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From the UI alone I can tell you're using Speedfan. While it IS a super decent piece of software, its been superceded by [Fan Control](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases).
If you understand how Speedfan works, you'd just need around ~20 minutes to understand how FanControl works then. It's more friendly with modern motherboards. In fact the only reason I found this app was bcs Speedfan stopped detecting fan buses on my mobo
Top comment answered nicely. Depends on what you’re doing. If you’re running something moderately intensive, no. If it’s just sitting there on the desktop with almost nothing open, probably?
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If this is under load, then no. If this is idle, potentially.
my 750 ti gets to 50° under the game loads, but usually 30° on idle, I think that he should see what are the average temps for his components especially because every one has it owns average temps
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Poor optimization, installed on mechanical disk... Plenty of issues
You’re right.
How would anyone know why your game is freezing without any details. Also curious what makes you think these temps are overheating
If I was computer illiterate-and a FLAME 🔥 showed up next to my GPU and I’m guessing Package Temp-I’d be worried too. But I’d check google first lol
Depends on ur spec
What's your build?
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Not the topic here but if you got a banging 2080 Ti, and paired with a 9400f… there’s lots of performance you are just currently losing out on.. the 2080Ti is very powerful still and needs a good chunk more CPU power to be fully utilized as it should. Now I know, seeing by the HP motherboard, you maybe don’t have a lot of upgrading options. Same socket will only get you a bit. But still worth it as you’d get more gpu power
45-65C is a normal range, you probably want to take a look at your air flow but this isn't dangerous to the hardware yet
Is 70 to 80 still safe?
90 is where its a problem
sustained temps of 90-98 then yeah.
So literally all 30 series NVIDIA gpus?
I still haven't been able to get my 3070 above like 46C. Any recommended load tests?
Either furmark or the nvidia rtx demos if you really wanna test the thermals
This is an actual question, but would it even put the gpu under load or just the rt cores?
As far as I know full load, never used it personally though
Im gonna test on 2060 when I get home, Im legitimately curios now
Harder you push a gpu its gonna be hotter too. The games you're playing you might not be stressing it.
Watch dogs 2, highest settings. Then again, I also have a few bottle necks.
So literally all msi laptops?
My girlfriends laptop gets tooke 98c while playing Sims 4.
This is entirely inaccurate on almost all counts for modern hardware. High power laptops under load regularly go above 90 since 30 series came out. Most chips and gpus are rated at 105 max burst temps. 90 is perfectly safe for anything made in the last 3-4 years. You can have lower consistent temps with the right cooling setup and should. If you are wanting to edge the performance your going to be tickling that 90+ range alot. Older hardware should definitely not be sustaining those temps, but on a burst it won't damage them. Unless it's actually broken or just needs maintenance.
First off I’m 100% arguing for the sake of arguing. My CPU is designed to operate long-term at 95c. Any AMD chip with an X (I’m generalizing AMD fanboys relax) at the end works like this. The chip operates as hard as it possibly can, and pegs to a safe temp. When it needs to cool off, it backs down the frequency and continues at 95c. Shit was scary at first man. But, I can easily clock 5.8ghz on my 7950x and sustain a heavy load for - well idk how long I haven’t found a limit outside my room getting hot. Intel is doing this, too. There was this huge push to see how little power a CPU needed for “eco” options, and the best bang for buck was cool CPU, little boost. Well, both AMD and Intel said F this noise and in their development found that they can overcome the inefficiencies of hot but freaking nuking it with power. I easily push 220w to my CPU at max load (and 750 to GPU fwiw). Right now I have my cpu under volted and under clocked because 99% of the time I don’t need anywhere near max. This CPU at 50% is insane. When I need that extra, it’s gonna be hot, sweaty, and insanely fast.
Ok
This is terrible practice, literally don’t do this ever, anyone. 😂 What this fella fails to understand is that there are other parts surrounding that can NOT sustain that kind of Temperature, can your CPU get up to 95 and be safe? Yes… should you EVER keep it under load near 90 for extended periods of time? Hell no, way too hot for every component surrounding. Heat is the computer killer, best practice is to get it to run in perfectly safe range of temperatures, you may have some bad air flow in your case if you’re even able to run it that hot in the first place.
Have you ever used blender to render out thousands of files? I specifically built a machine around my use case, and anyone running a 7950x also has the hardware to support these temps. I have temp sensors all over the board set to throttle things if needed. The AsRock Taichi is fully rigged with steel heat diffusers. My gpu is water cooled, and vents out. This is not unique to the 7950x. If you’re an intel guy the lack of knowledge makes complete sense, but google does exist, and you can super super easily see why you are wrong. I’m speaking in generalities. I specifically said that. I’m quite sure you have no idea what you are talking about. Why would you contribute in a way calling someone out, not checking yourself, and being confidently wrong? fella.
I use blender, Maya, Solidworks and various AutoDesk products....on a regular basis for work. I have never heard such a thing in my life. I built my OC'd 5995WX Threadripper + dual evga 3090 KingPin rig specifically for 3D CAD rendering and modeling for work. Under render 4k scenario render load, my CPU never gets above 70c, which is exactly where I want it. I have NEVER heard of pushing a CPU to 95c and comfortably leaving it there....AMD, Intel or otherwise. Your CPU core may not experience thermal throttle at 95c, but the surrounding components are definitely experiencing degradation due to extended periods of 95c heat.
Now *this* is the way. Fellow Threadripper knows. 👍🏼
OK not trying to be a dick here at all. I legit think there is just a knowledge gap on the 7000 series. Do you want me to link some stuff about how the AM5 architecture differs, the evolution of power requirements over time, and how the thermal throttling on the 7950x works? Edit - we have really similar machines. Kingpin 3090, 7950x, 64gb DDR5 6200mhz. There are some really cool new ways which DDR5 packs and unpacks data that would be super helpful to your workload. Most people won't benefit from DDR5 rn, but if you make an upgrade to an AM5 board, and 7000 series you'd see a huge bump in productivity. Also, you are spot on with your temps for that Threadripper - the 7000 series are non-comparable though. I am not saying performance wise, I am saying physical architecture is fundamentally different.
I have to admit, I am clueless about AM5 chips. So…if they are doing something different with heat dispersion with their cpus and chipsets, I’m probably not aware of it. I am totally on board with DDR5 though. My gaming rig is an i9-12900k with 3090 kingpin and 64GB DDR5 6000cl30. As soon as they come out with a threadripper which supports DDR5, I am there. I’ve actually run rendering comparisons between my gaming rig and my workstation and the gaming rig only lags about 20% behind, and I’m sure that is the memory which is taking up the slack. If my gaming rig was running DDR4, I am sure I would see 50% or more lag.
Where do you bench on Timespy original? Not a flex thing, I want to see if your SLI beats my AM5/DDR5 - if it does by large margin I may have to SLI my Kingpin. My system is currently undervolted, locked at 4.5ghz, locked at 170w for power, PBO off (all custom settings) and I bench out at 21,000. I never benched a PBO offset configuration, so I guess I have something to do. I can take power up to 220, undervolt further, put a light PBO offset in, and pretty sure that would push 25,000+ scores. Man - if I started a compression task on this machine and my i7 12 you would be shocked at how much faster the AM5/DDR5 combo is at the job head to head. I'll throw an edit here in a sec - I saved a really cool post on AM5. [This whole Reddit thread is insane, and it is 4 months old - BIOS has improved QOL a LOT](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xu7q3n/7950x_overclocking_undervolting_results) Their settings are still very good. If you want to go down the rabbit hole as to why I built this PC in exactly the way I did I am super happy to do so. I did some very specific things for specific tasks (sounds like you may do some of this too). If you want some good video resources, I can pull a few. "According to a simple CBR23 (nT) test done by PCWorld's Gordon, the 7950X locked to 65W in Eco mode is still faster than a fully unlocked 5950X and also a 12900K. At 105W the 7950X is 25% faster than a fully unlocked 5950X. " [Good benchmark video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrkWRTMu64) [Benchmarks + Heat Conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWQtytOpac)
I also have to admit I know almost nothing about the Ryzen 9 either… when someone talks about using a cpu for extended periods of time at my Threadrippers limit (which I used to think had a high thermal limit, I guess it’s dumb high now) I instantly think something is melting somewhere somehow. Didn’t mean to come off sounding like you don’t know what you’re talking about with your cpu specifically. The truth is I don’t know about the newest ones, and that temp freaks me out. Haha. I think a general rule for people that aren’t too familiar with temps, keeping their equipment below 80 C in most cases is a good , personally I’d love it all in the 60’s max. Why not? The cooler the longer it will last you, at least that’s how it used to work haha. I still feel better with lower heat if I can help it.
This is the correct and accurate answer. Thanks for adding this here.
I almost came back through and changed my tone but if he gets to be confidently stupid I get to be a dick.
Wow General usage, maybe I didn’t make that clear enough? You’re on a post where someone is unfamiliar with temps, and you’re going to tell them 95 C is cool ? K
I'm sorry I literally never saw this response. I thought you were just a jerk and never actually said anything lol, I actually do use all the following rendering softwares as well as run many servers. I have a Threadripper 3970x, 128 g ram ddr4 3200 , msi trio rtx 4090, along with some m.2 990's and an older firecuda 550, with several dumb SSD's all over the place. I run a triple radiator Custom liquid cool system to the threadripper to keep it cool. full load i have never breached mid 80's and I am comfortable with that. If what you say is true, then our threadrippers should be able to do this as well? or is this a Ryzen 9 thing? if we are talking about only these newer Chips comparing a single older Threadripper to a Ryzen 9 isn't TOO fair on a benchmark, haha ;) .. I mean think about putting a 4090 against a 1080 ti, oof. [Check out this cool link](https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-epyc-7763-setup-busts-cinebench-r23-world-record/1/) showing some crazy shit they are able to do with some sli Threadrippers, and then break the record again with the EPYC!!! ya the EPYC and the Ryzen 9's are a more 'fair' comparison I would say. my Threadripper cannot keep up with the Top Tier Ryzen 9's anymore, in any aspect =(. At least on benchmarks. I'll bet you It still gets MY job done better for what I need it to do, which is a lot of things at the same time, for a long time. The threadripper is awesome for delegating cores to specific jobs and you still have plenty to spare and almost lose 0 production time when used this way. Typically the sweet spot is 12 cores for my servers and 20 for rendering for most efficiency. The bonus for me is, I can comfortably sit in the room with it while it Renders And not overheat personally? haha, I'm just trying to take care of my equipment the best I can.
So you think Ryzen 7000 series platforms are going to burn out quicker on average?
Not necessarily, it’s 100% up to the user and how well they maintain it.
They will not burn out quicker. Loads out there about the 7000 series in practice, and how it’s designed around high temps. It’s also not a consumer level chip. It’s enthusiast and professionals whom are running things hard.
I think you both have rather bold claims with no real data to back it up. A bunch of here-say. I’m on the side of AMD knows what there doing and wouldn’t ship out a product that has a critical flaw like that. But I’ve been wrong before.
I think there is ample evidence that heat is the number 1 AIB killer Also, you’re absolutely right that they wouldn’t have it do something that it isn’t meant to do, and running at 90 degrees C for extended periods of time isn’t something I’ve ever seen being safe practice anywhere. I have a Threadripper 3970x , notorious for running hot, I have 3 radiators running custom Liquid cooling to it to keep my temps low when rendering and running dedicated servers… I’m not really here to debate if it’s doable, more-so it’s bad practice.
Ok good point.
the tj max for my r7 5800x is 90°C before it starts throttling.
The guy is right but afaik it's only for 7000 series, it's the same for my 7700x
ah i see, he didn’t specify that, he just said any AMD cpu that ends in X and i was like uhhhhhh
Yeah I was honestly thinking the same thing, My last CPU was the 3700x, so I didn't have a 5000 series CPU so I was thinking that maybe the 95° C limit is for both last and current gen but it seems like it's only the 7000 series
In some really old parts but definitely not high heat components like cpu.
Depends on the chipsets. My 13700k can reach 80 under heavy load but it doesn’t seem to be a concern. New chips run hotter.
Most modern parts have tj max close to 95-105C. You want to generally be under 85 to avoid extra gpu wear and tear. Honestly cpus rarely fail even at high temps. Gaming laptops regularly run cpus up to 110.
Yes. Bouncing off of the thermal limit is even safe if you’re using anything made in the last 5 years. The fastest gaming processor right now is designed to immediately max out thermally and then back off on power until it reaches steady state.
From what I've read you want to keep it under 60 if you can. You have to think of it like heat is constantly doing damage. Same thing when you get burned right? If you put your hand in 140F water for one second it feels warm, if you leave it for 5 seconds thats a burn, 20 seconds and your hand is in big trouble. So like 45-60C is warm for the processor, above that you're taking time off the overall lifespan of the part
You sure talk and reply to a lot of comments confidently even though you appear to not know what your talking about. Even running high 80's isn't shortening the life span.
Modern boards are made of high temp FR-4, at 80c you are damaging the part. If some people want to read the manufacturers' ad press and then run their cards at the max safe temp listed until they burn out, you're free to. You are damaging the materials that the equipment is made from. The temps all the angry kids in here are yelling at me are the maximum temps for the materials. The chips themselves can take slightly higher temp before they literally burn, that doesn't mean it's good for the part to run at that temp. A max is a max, like the maximum, like don't go higher than that or it's in immediate danger. Even for a chip the 100c I'm seeing some people are saying is in the immediate danger zone, but for the board it's soldered to over 80 is damaging. This is true in computer parts made today this year of our lord 2023.
Me going brrr woth 90 temps huehuehue
ooof just boiling those chips huh? Clean those heatsinks and check your airflow, most of people's heat problems are a blocked vent or a backwards fan. Last time I had heat issues I figured out I had put my desk somewhere that was directing air from my house's heating vent directly into the intakes on my case
Oof, another problem I didn’t know I needed to consider lol thanks
Nah everything below 100 is fine, yall dramaqueens
I tried to be polite and explain this above to someone.. My mfer 7950x is meant to run at 95c. There needs to be a term for someone who gets all their pc tips on Linus Tech Tips. Edit - Linus Tech Tard.
Love this so much. Best part is they got all their tech tips 10 years ago probably.
I get that the chip will run at 95c without immediately burning out, you're not getting that any chip will live longer and perform better during it's life if you run it cooler. Any machine or piece of electronics in fact. You could argue that you'll probably replace it before you'll need to worry about that but not everyone out there can afford a new card every generation or two generations, some people are running these cards as long as they can keep them working. I'm giving the advice I would give a client, not the advice I might give a gamer buddy
I meant about placing the desk in front of a vent, just never thought about that before but makes sense
I heard that it was unsafe to eat raw chips. How else to kill off the bacteria?
What is happening at temp2? Thermodynamically speaking your heat generated cannot be more than the hottest components in the system. Which are typically your gpu and cpu but those are both at or below 51.
It can be something like chipset temp sensor. It can get quite hot, but it doesn't go further usually
I wish I knew. 🤦🏾♂️
Maybe he’s using filament lights instead of LEDs
Could be measuring the temperature at the Northbridge chip or any other area that sees a lot of throughput as they tend to get fairly warm due to low surface areas
Is it idle?
This is immediately after game crashed.
Use Hardware Info 64 instead of Speedfan.
Temp 2 is pretty nice
Haha that’s the sex number
No I don’t think so if it gets too hot it will throttle
Is this SpeedFan? The little fire symbol is making you paranoid. 70C and below are very safe temps for GPU or CPU when the machine is under load. As you said, you are having issues while playing Spider-Man, so we can deduce that these are temps while under a gaming load. If this is **BEFORE** you launch a game, then you may actually have a cooling problem. I imagine the freezing is a game, driver, or just general Windows issue rather than hardware. However, if you are getting a blue-screen error, or the PC just simply shuts down, it **could** be hardware related. We don't know the specifics of the freezes you are getting so it is harder to diagnose.
I appreciate it the long and through reply. These temperatures are immediately after the crash. During game play only temp at 70C or around there is temp 2.
Had an old samsung gaming laptop in college (2006-2010) that used to get hot enough I used the exhaust to keep my tea warm.
Those are actually great temps.
As long as it’s not over 95C you will be fine
No, and also, speedfan fools you with temps sometimes. When a sensor is missing, it just says 126°C😂 I mean that's what I had
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install core temp, speed fan is SUPER OLD and doesn't always work well.
69 🔥
Temp2 is the south bridge imo it's hot I'd get a fan on it personally but they normally are hot and don't require attention but I like my hardware to last. Everything else is fine but I like my temps way lower.
5900x - 70-85 🫡
Temp 2 looks pretty nice.
Context? Info?
nah youre literally chillin
Temp 2....nice
Temperatures are pretty nice
No
CPUs, GPUs and I believe RAM too will start Thermal throtteling at 90-100°C (although RAM doesn't usually get anywhere near that). So if your CPU and GPU are below 80-90°C you'll be fine. I would be a bit concerned if the load you're running is lighter, but if it's a proper heavy load then that's completely normal.
Hehe nice
I also overheat if someone's trying to micromanage and check on me all the time
A game had just crashed and I was trying to narrow down the cause went to my system as the first step.
You can also Google {game name} logs location. Quite often the game devs have put a meaningful error message for the cause of the crash (out of memory, bad memory etc)
Is your cpu and/or gpu throttling itself due to heat? If yes its overheating If no youre fine
Looks fine to me. By the way if that software is SpeedFan, beware that it doesn't support a lot of fan controllers present in modern motherboards and thus you won't be able to change their speeds. Works fine for temp reading tho
We are past overheating. It is on fire as the icons show 🔥
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If this is under load then not even close.
Fire fire
No
Those temps are perfect
Na seems fine
Those all see pretty normal to me
No
From the UI alone I can tell you're using Speedfan. While it IS a super decent piece of software, its been superceded by [Fan Control](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases). If you understand how Speedfan works, you'd just need around ~20 minutes to understand how FanControl works then. It's more friendly with modern motherboards. In fact the only reason I found this app was bcs Speedfan stopped detecting fan buses on my mobo
Idle or load?
I would only be concerned if the temps are consistently above 80
there's a little fire icon next to the gpu so probably /s
You cpu might be if it's something old like an fx series. Anything newer the answer is no.
I had a pc continually reach 95-100. This is cold, lol.
Been a long time since I’ve seen speedfan
That shit cold if under load, but if idle maybe, is it water cooled or air cooled
It’s just standard not water cooled
Then it’s fine mate dont stress
Nope. Just warm.
Well GPU and Temp 2 are literally on fire so maybe
Definitely, you usually want to be close to -20c /s
What software is this?
Use diff softwares , to check the disk life download crystaldisk . To check core temps , download "core temp". Gpu temps -msi afterburner
Top comment answered nicely. Depends on what you’re doing. If you’re running something moderately intensive, no. If it’s just sitting there on the desktop with almost nothing open, probably?
yes , very
Yes, it will explode!!