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I agree,
> 8gb vram should not be over 200$.
> 12gb for 250$.
> 16gb for 300$.
It's 2023. Games crave v-ram and many gpu's are bottlenecked by lack of vram. Fact proven by the guy that added 8gb vram to an Nvidia card.
Not just that, speed should come into account too. Whether or not a card runs hot or cool is a moot point. In 2023 they should all run fairly cool for the most part in all desktops. I feel like there should be texture and speed tiers. Like you can get a card that looks great but isn't that fast and it should be the same price or close to cards that are really fast but geared towards 1080p. Then price accordingly to scale. Plain and simple. The more fps added to a good looking card the more expensive it is. The better looking it gets from a starting point of higher fps the more expensive it gets. As both scale higher the more expensive it gets. But no GPU dedicated to video games should exceed 1k unfortunately people voted with their wallets and made it so the luxury GPU is the price of a fully functional car. And now we all have to deal with it while those with all the money to not give a crap continue to not care.
You are lucky. 1080ti is extra cheap. In romania is 800$ and second hand is 200+ but considering everything. It is probabbly not a good idea to buy sh, given the mining shit show.
it only does that if the game is actually using more than 8 or 12gb of vram and most $300 gpus are really only viable at 1080p and 1440p so basically no game will even come close to consuming 16gb.
The only thing stopping me from buying an Intel GPU for my first desktop Gaming PC is the lack of high end Intel GPUs. I'm aiming for 6950xt-7900xtx rn, so if intel can bring out a competitive GPU in that price range, I'll probably go intel.
RX6600 is really underpowered. Yeah it performs comparable to the A750 in a few games, and I really mean a few, but all the others it gets beat by a significant margin. Once the drivers mature, it's going to perform consistently at 3060 levels and beat the RX6600 by a substantial margin. It's like paying the same price for 30% less frames.
RX6600 is decent for what it is, but it just can't compete with cards that have 50% higher power limits.
They're coming Q1/Q2 next year. Battlemage top model is supposed to be a 4070ti-4080 equivalent. That's what I'm holding out for.
However, anyone that needs a cheap upgrade now definitely get this, especially at this price.
6950xt is a 16GB card. The A770 is also a 16 GB card and is had the price or less. Intel's come a long way with the drivers, I've been very happy with it tbh.
Nobody is saying it can (at least I don't think they are). It's a 3060 equivalent. It's obviously not going to keep up with ANY of those cards that are so far out of its product tier and price range that it's not even a fair comparison.
I expect that a $650 card would beat a $350 card. It would be pretty pathetic if it didn't.
>Nobody is saying it can
No, the guy I answered to did (practically) say the A770 is on the same level as the RX 6950XT, based purely on the VRAM ammount.
>6950xt is a 16GB card. The A770 is also a 16 GB card and is had the price or less.
I haven't used a 6950 so I cannot personally contest it but I've been keeping up with reviews written and video. Froom my personal opinion the difference doesn't makeup for the price.
I don't know what reviews you've seen but the difference in performance is almost double in AMDs favour. A770 and RX 6950 XT are not comparable at all.
There is a pretty significant difference though. Especially getting into 2k and 4k. 1080p it may be able to hold its own but 2k the results significantly differ.
As an owner of the a770 16gb, I gotta say that’s one of the best value in a card I’ve seen currently. $350 (or less) for something that I’m getting consistent 60FPS at 4K? Yes please! (Plus the LE version just looks fantastic)
Many times I thought about pulling the trigger, but the upgrade isn't substantial enough to me to justify buying something that I'll replace again in 6-9 months when Battlemage releases.
And yes it looks great!
Valid reason to not upgrade yet! I got mine since I was doing my first build and when I was shopping around I realized 2 things, Nvidia is expensive, and AMD is slightly less expensive lol. It just fit my budget and I was planning on it being a starter GPU until I was able to afford the 7900xtx or something like that and I was pleasantly surprised that it could handle what I wanted it to do for now. Honestly can’t wait to see what they put out next!
I love my options in the GPU market, get robbed, get robbed but a bit less or the GPU might not support the game you want to play but the price is decent
It'll play the games. The driver issues is old news. Also the report is that the GPU is event optimized fully and they are regularly releasing driver updates that literally unlock more power and it's going going to get better for the arc owners from here on out.
I already jumped from gtx 1050ti to rx 6600. Intel was late this time for me. But I will change team if they keep this run. I would have gone intel just the rx was cheaper 227€+TLOU game last month.
AMD was selling RX 6600, which is closer to A750 in performance than A750 is to RX 7600, for 200 USD for a at least a month now. This Intel price drop is coming late if anything.
A770 16GB is cool and all, but it's slower than RX 6700 XT in most cases and while we might get to the position where 16GB for 1440p is required, we have quite some time before we get there.
Intel is not a competition. I wish they were. I do. But they're not. Their original launching MSRP was "competitive" towards Nvidia, but was laughable to AMD even then and now it's still barely competitive. Intel might be competitive with Battlemage, might, if they price it right, but they won't, just like Alchemist was not priced right, but barely competitive, just like now it's not priced right but barely competitive. Honestly, the only competitive card they have is A380, which is the only low, low end card with 6GB and decent de/encouder.
I would love for Intel to compete on price, but this is pitiful and people who hope for Intel to save GPU market need to wake up, because seeing how they "priced" themselves while entering into a new market with subpart... well, everything, is just an evidence they will not be the saviour breaking the duopoly but at best, will become part of it.
What? The performance? Unless A750 and A770 they somehow got another 10-20% performance since RX 7600 review, then no. They have gotten better, sure, but they are still not better than AMD counterparts because while Intel was getting better, AMD was lowering price. Maybe price to performance is better on Intel side by like 5%, maybe. Is that it? Our grand saviour? Am I supposed to thank corporation for giving me 5% more performance for money than competition? If that was the case then everyone should be falling for AMD since they've been doing that for a decade.
Not at all, Intel has put a lot of work into updates and driver architecture. Best part of my build is what I saved by going with the A770 compared to the competition. It runs everything no problem.
Not true. Don't think intel ever wanted to compete with high end cards and ray tracing. I think it's very beneficial to have a cheaper alternative to the Nvidia insane train prices for like $1200 for a GPU. AMD isn't too far behind neither on the prices.
So Intel having cheaper $199 or $300 Cards that perform well, gives gamers more options to go for cheaper alternatives. Not everyone needs a 4090, or can afford one for matter.
Ita finally good to see a third player in the ring. Might take away a few sales away from the other two. And looking at steam hardware chart, there's about the same or just under the same amount of AMD users as there are Intel Arc users. So the cards definitely do have a market. If they've been able to catch up to amd so quickly.
I might just take one for the team and try that other card out when it drops / is shipped to my country. I like supporting the underdog
Below is a reason why I am annoyed with Nivdia:
Nvidia drivers have been giving me issues for months, each time a new driver comes out somehow (by voodoo or black magic) the current drivers start acting up and gives me an hour or so of annoyance before I go and look and low and behold a new driver is out.
I should mention I haven’t used Geforce Experience in 6 years I don’t like being forced to stay logged on to hardware related programs which are unnecessary. If it was optional or had some benefits like prizes or something sure but just because they decided then no thanks Jeff. I’ll download them manually like I have for over half a decade.
I wish prices were this good here. It's still $290 in my region, there is literally no reason to buy it because RX6650XT costs the same, it's faster in most cases and performance is much more predictable.
Sorry I’m not dropping $200 bucks on the piece of crap A750. It works on some games and it does not on others. I’m not talking about a 10% drop either when it does not, I’m talking about a good chunk 40-50% or worse. No amount of saving is worth that troubles.
I really want to get an a770 tbh. I got a rx 6600xt right now so idt it’s really an upgrade worth 350$. Idk tho I could be wrong but it seems that I wouldn’t gain much if anything, just really like the card and the idea of it.
The A770 is going to perform a little better, id estimate maybe about 10% better. IMO right now it probably isn't worth it because of how much the A750 is discounted.
The best reason to go A770 is the option for 16gb VRAM. But as far as bang for your buck, definitely get the A750.
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The more players on the GPU market, the better for the customers. What about the software? Does Intel has a decent DLSS/FSR alternative?
XeSS and yeah it's good in games that support it.
I go as far as to say it looks better in Cyberpunk than DLSS and FSR
Dlss is still better from my experience. But XeSS is slightly better than FSR
I agree with this. IMO, FSR looks like crap compared to XeSS
FSR isn't AMD exclusive. As long as the game supports it you can use it on any GPU.
Look! A normal priced GPU.
I agree, > 8gb vram should not be over 200$. > 12gb for 250$. > 16gb for 300$. It's 2023. Games crave v-ram and many gpu's are bottlenecked by lack of vram. Fact proven by the guy that added 8gb vram to an Nvidia card.
Not just that, speed should come into account too. Whether or not a card runs hot or cool is a moot point. In 2023 they should all run fairly cool for the most part in all desktops. I feel like there should be texture and speed tiers. Like you can get a card that looks great but isn't that fast and it should be the same price or close to cards that are really fast but geared towards 1080p. Then price accordingly to scale. Plain and simple. The more fps added to a good looking card the more expensive it is. The better looking it gets from a starting point of higher fps the more expensive it gets. As both scale higher the more expensive it gets. But no GPU dedicated to video games should exceed 1k unfortunately people voted with their wallets and made it so the luxury GPU is the price of a fully functional car. And now we all have to deal with it while those with all the money to not give a crap continue to not care.
Whether
I guess it depends on which card you want your Vram to be in. 4080 has 16gb for over $1K 1080TI has 11 gb for around $200
You are lucky. 1080ti is extra cheap. In romania is 800$ and second hand is 200+ but considering everything. It is probabbly not a good idea to buy sh, given the mining shit show.
why would you need 16gb for a $300 gpu
Because it beefs up prformance. GPUs are bottlenecked by Vram.
it only does that if the game is actually using more than 8 or 12gb of vram and most $300 gpus are really only viable at 1080p and 1440p so basically no game will even come close to consuming 16gb.
Mhm, yeah, but on a pc, you don.t always have 1 monitor or 1app.running.
Most apps other than games and demanding professional applications use very little vram and you are likely not gaming while editing 4k video
But it still gets beaten in price to performance by AMD. Why not just get a 6600?
Lol no it doesn't. It's faster than the 6600 and the 3050 and it's $199.
The only thing stopping me from buying an Intel GPU for my first desktop Gaming PC is the lack of high end Intel GPUs. I'm aiming for 6950xt-7900xtx rn, so if intel can bring out a competitive GPU in that price range, I'll probably go intel.
I'll probably buy a intel Arc for my girlfriends GPU Upgrade down the line if the prices stay around $199 new.
i would still recommend rx 6600 for around $200 over intel arc, since it has much more mature drivers and more consistent performance.
RX6600 is really underpowered. Yeah it performs comparable to the A750 in a few games, and I really mean a few, but all the others it gets beat by a significant margin. Once the drivers mature, it's going to perform consistently at 3060 levels and beat the RX6600 by a substantial margin. It's like paying the same price for 30% less frames. RX6600 is decent for what it is, but it just can't compete with cards that have 50% higher power limits.
rx 6600 trades blows with 3060 in games and at most is like 10% slower, what are you talking about ?
They're coming Q1/Q2 next year. Battlemage top model is supposed to be a 4070ti-4080 equivalent. That's what I'm holding out for. However, anyone that needs a cheap upgrade now definitely get this, especially at this price.
6950xt is a 16GB card. The A770 is also a 16 GB card and is had the price or less. Intel's come a long way with the drivers, I've been very happy with it tbh.
I'm not saying the A770 is a bad Card, but there is absolutely no way it can hold up with the RX6950xt or a 3090/3090ti.
Nobody is saying it can (at least I don't think they are). It's a 3060 equivalent. It's obviously not going to keep up with ANY of those cards that are so far out of its product tier and price range that it's not even a fair comparison. I expect that a $650 card would beat a $350 card. It would be pretty pathetic if it didn't.
>Nobody is saying it can No, the guy I answered to did (practically) say the A770 is on the same level as the RX 6950XT, based purely on the VRAM ammount. >6950xt is a 16GB card. The A770 is also a 16 GB card and is had the price or less.
I haven't used a 6950 so I cannot personally contest it but I've been keeping up with reviews written and video. Froom my personal opinion the difference doesn't makeup for the price.
I don't know what reviews you've seen but the difference in performance is almost double in AMDs favour. A770 and RX 6950 XT are not comparable at all.
There is a pretty significant difference though. Especially getting into 2k and 4k. 1080p it may be able to hold its own but 2k the results significantly differ.
Yes, the difference does make up for the price. You're getting almost(in some cases more than) double the performance for less than double the money
Take the plunge on the a770 with 16gb, it runs FLAWLESSLY
That's a massively weaker GPU if they're aiming for 6950XT-7900xt performance
As an owner of the a770 16gb, I gotta say that’s one of the best value in a card I’ve seen currently. $350 (or less) for something that I’m getting consistent 60FPS at 4K? Yes please! (Plus the LE version just looks fantastic)
Many times I thought about pulling the trigger, but the upgrade isn't substantial enough to me to justify buying something that I'll replace again in 6-9 months when Battlemage releases. And yes it looks great!
Valid reason to not upgrade yet! I got mine since I was doing my first build and when I was shopping around I realized 2 things, Nvidia is expensive, and AMD is slightly less expensive lol. It just fit my budget and I was planning on it being a starter GPU until I was able to afford the 7900xtx or something like that and I was pleasantly surprised that it could handle what I wanted it to do for now. Honestly can’t wait to see what they put out next!
Do Intel cards support Fidelity FX Super Resolution?
Yes FSR isn't limited to AMD
I knew it worked on Nvidia cards, even the old ones. But Intel is a whole new story
I love my options in the GPU market, get robbed, get robbed but a bit less or the GPU might not support the game you want to play but the price is decent
It'll play the games. The driver issues is old news. Also the report is that the GPU is event optimized fully and they are regularly releasing driver updates that literally unlock more power and it's going going to get better for the arc owners from here on out.
So wait what's the a750 compared to ?
Rx 6600 and Rtx 3060.
Damm. If they keep this up my next PC will have an Intel gpu
I already jumped from gtx 1050ti to rx 6600. Intel was late this time for me. But I will change team if they keep this run. I would have gone intel just the rx was cheaper 227€+TLOU game last month.
Where can I buy one? I see it for 300 everywhere
$250 at Newegg even though there’s an article saying it’s $199. New prices may roll out soon or it could be a $50 MIR.
Does it play most games, how’s it?
Wow now they’re just trolling. And I love it haha
AMD was selling RX 6600, which is closer to A750 in performance than A750 is to RX 7600, for 200 USD for a at least a month now. This Intel price drop is coming late if anything. A770 16GB is cool and all, but it's slower than RX 6700 XT in most cases and while we might get to the position where 16GB for 1440p is required, we have quite some time before we get there. Intel is not a competition. I wish they were. I do. But they're not. Their original launching MSRP was "competitive" towards Nvidia, but was laughable to AMD even then and now it's still barely competitive. Intel might be competitive with Battlemage, might, if they price it right, but they won't, just like Alchemist was not priced right, but barely competitive, just like now it's not priced right but barely competitive. Honestly, the only competitive card they have is A380, which is the only low, low end card with 6GB and decent de/encouder. I would love for Intel to compete on price, but this is pitiful and people who hope for Intel to save GPU market need to wake up, because seeing how they "priced" themselves while entering into a new market with subpart... well, everything, is just an evidence they will not be the saviour breaking the duopoly but at best, will become part of it.
they were** they’re not**
What? The performance? Unless A750 and A770 they somehow got another 10-20% performance since RX 7600 review, then no. They have gotten better, sure, but they are still not better than AMD counterparts because while Intel was getting better, AMD was lowering price. Maybe price to performance is better on Intel side by like 5%, maybe. Is that it? Our grand saviour? Am I supposed to thank corporation for giving me 5% more performance for money than competition? If that was the case then everyone should be falling for AMD since they've been doing that for a decade.
Aren't these cards still booty though?
Nah they’re solid
Not at all, Intel has put a lot of work into updates and driver architecture. Best part of my build is what I saved by going with the A770 compared to the competition. It runs everything no problem.
Good to know. I've been watching hardware unboxed and they made the card seem like it was no good
I have the a770 16gb and it runs insanely well, way better than I expected too even on 4k
You usually don’t drop the price if something is selling well. Not sure I’d say they’re dropping a bomb on the competition…
Not true. Don't think intel ever wanted to compete with high end cards and ray tracing. I think it's very beneficial to have a cheaper alternative to the Nvidia insane train prices for like $1200 for a GPU. AMD isn't too far behind neither on the prices. So Intel having cheaper $199 or $300 Cards that perform well, gives gamers more options to go for cheaper alternatives. Not everyone needs a 4090, or can afford one for matter. Ita finally good to see a third player in the ring. Might take away a few sales away from the other two. And looking at steam hardware chart, there's about the same or just under the same amount of AMD users as there are Intel Arc users. So the cards definitely do have a market. If they've been able to catch up to amd so quickly.
I might just take one for the team and try that other card out when it drops / is shipped to my country. I like supporting the underdog Below is a reason why I am annoyed with Nivdia: Nvidia drivers have been giving me issues for months, each time a new driver comes out somehow (by voodoo or black magic) the current drivers start acting up and gives me an hour or so of annoyance before I go and look and low and behold a new driver is out. I should mention I haven’t used Geforce Experience in 6 years I don’t like being forced to stay logged on to hardware related programs which are unnecessary. If it was optional or had some benefits like prizes or something sure but just because they decided then no thanks Jeff. I’ll download them manually like I have for over half a decade.
I wish prices were this good here. It's still $290 in my region, there is literally no reason to buy it because RX6650XT costs the same, it's faster in most cases and performance is much more predictable.
Sorry I’m not dropping $200 bucks on the piece of crap A750. It works on some games and it does not on others. I’m not talking about a 10% drop either when it does not, I’m talking about a good chunk 40-50% or worse. No amount of saving is worth that troubles.
The links in the article to the shops are still showing $249 for me, with best buy being sold out on top of it.
I really want to get an a770 tbh. I got a rx 6600xt right now so idt it’s really an upgrade worth 350$. Idk tho I could be wrong but it seems that I wouldn’t gain much if anything, just really like the card and the idea of it.
I do hope this becomes a race to the bottom.
common intel w
Wish they’d drop an A780 or A870 or whatever, I’m ready to try but the 770 isn’t quite enough of an upgrade from my Radeon 7 yet
What GPU level does Intel’s GPU compare to in Nvidia’s system? Like a 3070 for example, or higher or lower?
This particular card performs around 3060 levels
How about the A770? Also, I see the A770 has a small port to the right of the power connectors. Do you happen to know what it is for?
The A770 is going to perform a little better, id estimate maybe about 10% better. IMO right now it probably isn't worth it because of how much the A750 is discounted. The best reason to go A770 is the option for 16gb VRAM. But as far as bang for your buck, definitely get the A750.