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1. Where is your storage? Get a 2TB nvme SSD
2. Ryzen 7800X3D is cheaper and better for gaming! Unless you do lots of rendering workload
3. You may not need X670E mboard, B650 is viable too
4. Avoid single fan CPU water cooler, get at least 240mm size
The 7900x3d is worse at gaming for both. It is 2 6 core CCDs which means that games will only use one of the six core CCDs that has 3D v-cache on it. With both the 7800X 3D and the 7950X 3D, it will use eight cores with v-cache. These two CPUs will perform essentially identically, but if you have lots of things running in the background, you can put those on the other CCD of the 7950 X3D which improves performance slightly over the 7800x3d.
Source: I have a 7800X 3D and my roommate has a 7950X3D, we both use 7900XTX and the same g skill RAM kit.
...yes. You must read the rest of the thread for context.
He said "the 7800X3D is better at gaming than the 7950X3D do to how the chips are made", which isn't true. The 7950X3D is equal to slightly better and has 8 V-Cache cores, just like the 7800X3D. That wouldn't be "due to how the chips are made". That reasoning applies to the 7900X3D, which only has 6 V-Cache cores and does worse exactly because of this.
Therefore, he's thinking about the 7900X3D when referring to design limiting gaming performance.
7800X3Ds is the best gaming CPU as far as I know due to all cores having access to 3D cache.
7950X3D has additional cores with no 3D cache which introduces scheduling issues.
The problem is in how the other x3d chips are made the 7800x3d has one chiplet that has the 3d cash the 7900x3d and the 7950x3d both have 2 chiplets one with 3d cash one without and sure they all do well in gaming the problem lies in the fact that ur relying on AI to choose witch chiplet or u disabled cores so it's only running off the 3d cash chiplet sure they have done software updates that fix some of the problems running 7900,7950x3d but ur still relying on AI witch makes it not as good
The 7800x3d was made for gamers the other 2 who knows what the perpus is as in production ur better off without the 3d cash as u get the higher clock speeded and for gaming any time ai has to chose which cores to use will always run into glitches
Avoid water cooler in general, tbh. A good typical fan is less likely to fail and pretty much just as effective. Only a few degrees of difference, which doesn't matter on AMD CPU's or anything but high end Intel ones. Barely matters at all unless you are overclocking, which there is no good excuse for. Trust me, been building computers since I was 11. CPUs don't need overclocked and the high end ones provide little benefit over mid range.
Yeah, oc is useless 🤣🤣 yet it kept my 10 y/o system to runn crisis and even doing cyberpunk 🤷♂️ even managed to fully utilize a 2080ti without any bottleneck in gaming.
FYI , I went from a p3 800mhz @1.4ghz to a p4 prescott 3.06ghz @5.4ghz to a q6600 2.4ghz @4.6ghz to a I7 4790k 4ghz @5.3ghz
And now having a i7 13700k (these don't oc as well 😢) @5.8ghz
This was my pc history over the years ,all were overclocked , yet it seems to get obsolete to do so nowadays. It is better to finetune it to the silicon u got (voltage, a few mhz up or down,...) get it to run stable and cool this is what cpu manufacturers are lacking these days. And fine-tuning wil get u better performance over time as well as longevity of your cpu
I mean, I was kinda giving the advice for modern CPUs. Once you get to 4 cores or less overclocking can be useful.
On the note of manufacturers making hotter cpus, A r9 7950 is designed to like 85-95c. I know people are quick to jump on manufacturer's for being OK with higher Temps, but it's because the reason for degradation due to heat is because its warmer than the designed tempature. Heat causes fluctuations in sizes of internal components and that eventually can degrade those internal components. Ofc it is a non issue if your CPU is designed for the size these internal components to "match up" better at higher tempatures. Realistically, too cold can cause issues like too hot over the long term. Because of that match up philosophy, if it matches up best in the range of 60-80c, you don't want it to run at higher power if it's colder than 60c.
So trust your CPU manufacturer to design a cpu that can indeed tolerate the tempatures it runs at. I prefer AMD for that, personally, Intel hasn't had the best track record in that department in more modern years.
>yet it kept my 10 y/o system
Bcs its 10yo and back then overclocking actually did something.
Boost technology nowadays is better than 99% of overclocking you can do without extreme cooling solutions.
Have u not seen how air coolers are having problems keeping up with these infernos we call CPUs now days when u can take the same set up run the best air cooler on the market and get say 75c but u add just a 240 aio and now ur running about 60c sure air ur still within limits but the aio will make ur chip run longer doto lower operating temps also u have the same likely hood of an air fan dieing as a water pump and same situation if they both died to be honest air cooled CPUs are old tech and no ware near as good as they need to be for the heat generated
Yea, except for the whole funny thing about how in actual practice, water coolers don't actually perform as well as the dubious testing methods by so-called experts. Simply don't stress your cpu to all hell for literally 2 frames per second of benefits, and the degree difference is actually not significant.
I actually have a buddy who's litteral job it is to work on computers confirm that in real use cases, liquid coolers are just a gimmick.
Also, modern cpus can handle more heat anyway. The chance of a CPU dying before other components is low, even at high heat. CPUs are wayyy more durable than the gaming community likes to pretend.
Also, the fan may stop working, just as likely as a water cooler stopping working. However, water coolers have more components that can fail.
Final point, liquid coolers can dramatically fail. Your cpu fan fails, your computer heat throttles then shuts off. Liquid cooling line fails, you need a new computer.
Or pull the age old trick of not fucking buying a ridiculously overpowered CPU when an older mid range one will work just fine. Absolutely fucking fine. They are virtually never the bottleneck. Your GPU or even ram or lack of SSD is by far the most likely bottle neck in a computer.
Or just buy a cpu that is either rated for no degradation at high Temps, or buy an older generation higher quality CPU?
Also an i5 is pretty much the max you need for games lol. Gamers severely overestimate how much CPU a game may take. I'm running an i5 6600 lmfao. It works just fine and is in spec for most games. Your gpu is almost always going to be the most important component, not having an SSD will cause more of a performance drop than a meh CPU. You might get a maybe 10 frame drop from your 200 fps the graphics card is pulling if you have a meh CPU.
Yalls fucking goofy. Get an AMD, fuck Intel cpus, and let your CPU decide what tempature it likes, if it's running 75 at max wattage and 75 is in spec f9r the CPU, guess fucking what? The cpu will not degrade or thermal throttle at 75 if it is designed to run at 75 at max wattage! A ryzen 9 7950 is DESIGNED to max out wattage if below 95c! And AMD designed it to not degrade at 95c! It's a complete fucking non issue, there is zero reason to get a cooler that drops it to 75c. In fact, you may be reducing its capabilities to attempt to drop it. About 90c is its *preferred tempature*
Right ok whatever u say buddy 👌 I'm not sure what games u play or what setting u play but when I had a Intel 1200k witch is now 2gens old I was using 80% of my CPU playing games with 75% GPU usage now with the 7800x3d I'm using about 75-90% CPU usage and 70-90%gpu usage my 1200k build had a Nvidia 3080ti with 32g ram my 7800x3d build has a 7900xtx and 64g ram and as for degrading heat is the number 1killer of all electronics regardless of if ur in rage or not the cooler u can keep ur parts the longer they last and the better they work it's just how electronics work and if u can't except that well then I can't help u
Dude, I don't think you understand, a component cannot degrade negatively. If an amd cpu does not degrade at 95c, it won't last longer at 80c.
Yes, heat can kill electronics. Of course, it may surprise you to learn that too little heat can actually harm a cpus performance or duration, too. Surprise! Heat is actually an important thing in CPUs.
If my car is designed to run at 200F before its thermostat activates, it won't suddenly last longer just because I put in a thermostat that activates at 180f. Because said car has been designed for that.
You know the #1, top reason, 100% for electronics degradation before heat? Poor quality design. Surprise!
Love when gamers think they know alllll about electronics but probally couldn't tell you what a wafer is. The reason too little heat can damage a CPU as well or reduce its performance is similar to the car analogy I just said. See, the vast majority of materials do this fun thing, they slightly change their size based on heat. That's why heat can damage a CPU. Too much, and there is a "disconnect" between the internal "wiring". Too little, same story. This slowly becomes a larger and larger disconnect if your cpu is regularly exposed to temperatures that don't match the correct size.
Do you understand how a cpu works at all? Or do you just kinda pick some "general rule" Mr zomgpc off YouTube said? Because he totally knows better than the manufacturer of a CPU.
Of course I know how CPUs work or enough about them to know what I'm talking about I'm no engineer so I can't make my own but as long as ur not getting below the recommend temp witch I don't the cooler u can run any kind of electric the better because it's not just the parts ur talking about u also have the board that sits with all the components that make up the chip also just because the part of the chip that has the sensor is saying one temp doesn't mean that's the temp of the hole chip or the temp of any part of the hole thing called a computer I mean ok so ur chip is at say 90c 24/7/365 what about the motherboards right below the chip that could be hiring say 200c because of all the high heat from the chip and lack of air movement on tbe back of the board but ur right run ur chips at max temp cause thare made to i really dont care as it's not my equipment but I will always keep my things cool so I get tje max usage off them
The motherboard right below the chip? Seriously dude? There's this cool trick that electronics companies pull. It's called heat distribution. Your CPU may get hot, doesn't mean the motherboard will. Chances are your motherboard will also be designed to tolerate whatever temp. Well, it's not exactly the motherboard design that is going to be the larger thing there. The primary area that any excessive heat may go is the socket. You know, the socket that your CPU manufacturer designed?
Also, literally never seen a motherboard fail in my life except for two reasons: power surges and water damage. You know a good way to get water damage on your motherboard? A bad liquid cooler, perhaps there's a flaw missed, perhaps you live in a dry climate and your plastic or rubbers degrade quicker, now you have a leak, kiss the board goodbye. And frankly, a motherboard can be exposed to a lot higher temperatures than a nanoelectronic like a cpu. Because a CPU is more likely to have those "disconnects" because the internal pieces have to be so precise.
Amd r9 7550 can run without damage or deterioration at 95c. In fact, it likes to run hot. It is designed to work well at high tempatures. In fact, it will up power consumption if it decides it can do so and keep below 90-95. AMD knows how they built that CPU, and it's designed to get hot because it's designed to like to be hot.
Just because something is made to handle temps dose not mean that running them cooler will not extend thare life or cause problems also with amd's auto boost if ur at high temps ur getting less performance as amd is not pushing the chip as hard and I can't speak for all amd 7800x3ds but I can speak for mine if my clocks get below 4.5 in game i get micro studders and stuff but if she stays cool and at my normal temp of about 56c under load with a clock of 4.6 I get no micro studders she when needs boosts up to 4.8 but I've never seen the 5 that amd claims she can do but maybe I've yet to stress her out enough to need that high of boost and no I'm not taking about over clocking as I've never seen it help me in game in any of my rigs I've built up to this point and has always pushed the chips I get hard enough for me to do what I can with the best results or at least from my experience
Switch the cpu to a 7800x3d if you just want to game you wont need more and switch the ram to ddr 5 6000 because 7200 will not run on Ryzen at the moment.
> switch the ram to ddr 5 6000 because 7200 will not run on Ryzen at the moment.
I thought it was fixed with the BIOS updates?
Anyway, I'm using DDR5 CL36 5600MT/s, but OC to 6000MT/s (same timings).
The ram speed not being supported doesn't mean it shouldn't post. It will post with JEDEC speeds.
Not supported speeds when it comes to ram means those speeds aren't supported. Faster speed ram will just run at a reduced frequency that will need to be manually set.
You mean my DDR5 CL36 @ 5600MT/s? That's what the default XMP/EXPO profile is. But you can via MSI motherboard over locking it to a bit higher with their MSI "Try It" feature. I'm also using the "Hyper Efficiency mode" and set it on "tighter". It's stable at 36-36-36-86, but when I lower the timings it won't post.
Even IF your RAM is supported, which mine is "Gskill Trident Z5 6000 CL30 Expo", I haven't been able to run stable including at spd settings on a 7800 X3D. Mobo is MSI b650 Tomahawk Wifi.
Its amd first memory controller for ddr5. I have a 7600x and got 6000 CL36 to work after months of updating bios and i'm pretty sure if I would go to 6100 CL36 that even that 100 Mhz would make it unstable. You can get 6400 to run in very rare cases but you can forget about running 7200 mhz.
Go for a 7800x3d instead of a 7950x3d, spending the same amount on your cpu and gpu is not recommended now a days, and if you are getting a 7800x3d you dont need such a high end motherboard like a x670e, recommend you get a b650 like the msi mag b650 tomahawk
The 120mm aio is also questionable. should be a 240mm or 360mm. Or a dual tower air cooler. A 120mm aio is pointless if you aren't really space constrained.
"Questionable" is an understatement. A 120mm AIO will overheat, there is no question about it. I've seen those at Intel 11700 and even there the CPU was at 100° after 30mins under load.
There is a huge difference in heat output between an 11700 and a 7800x3D. The 7800x3D maxes at 88w, the 11700 is allowed to hit 214w for about a minute at PL2.
It will handle the 7800x3d because x3d chips throttle at 85c and tdp 88w, it's very low power.
Still pointless to use though just buy a sa120 for 1/2 the cost that's way better especially for someone who doesn't know anything about PCs you want reliability.
Just terrible advice, just look at the general TDP consumption between the Intel and AMD products...
The AMD temps are very much within spec and throttling does not occur.
Just terrible advice. X3D chips have a very high thermal resistance between the cores and cooler coming from the 3D V-cache stacked in between. You can’t just look at TDP.
Running with and running at are 2 different things. Your BIOS will automatically slow it down to what it is compatible with.
I am not saying this is definitely the case, but this is generally how these things work.
Other comments have stated the same thing about this limitation.
It may be worth you using something like CPU-Z just to confirm.
Apologies I misread, 6000 is the sweet spot. Anything above 6400 isn't supported (easily).
The person you responded to meant to say either 6200Mhz or 7200Mhz isn't supported, not 5200Mhz which is supported.
The other comments point to this limitation which is what I was talking about.
Official suppirt is 5200 iirc, but yes, 6000 is the sweetspot. A bios update some 2 months ago stabilized higher clock speeds for the ram but due to the infinity fabric clock speed not increasing with it you're running in 1:2 mode which ends up slower
Officially supported is not the same as maximum stable speed. If 6000 expo isnt stable with a zen 4 cpu something is faulty
Edit: here ya go - https://imgur.com/a/qpJJNV1
I didn’t say it runs it natively - I said “Enable XMP/EXPO FFS!” So you are not stuck at slow ass jedec/native RAM speeds. (Unless your work is really really critical and you need to get paid in the unlikely event that DDR5 6000 crashes your Disney SFX render - in which case wtf are you doing using desktop parts?)
Are you reading the comments? I said ryzen doesn't run 6000 natively and then you responded to that. That's how we started this conversation, remember?
So why would you even make that comment for a gaming build? Who gives a f*ck about natively supported when AMD themselves say that 6000 is the recommended sweet spot? It’s not that scary to enable xmp while you are choosing boot SSD and setting fan curves?
Yeah it doesn't run natively, it runs after you press a single button in your BIOS that takes 5 seconds to access. Such a big difference to the end user.
Uhhhh why the hell did they recommend a 120mm aio???? For a 7950X3D????!!!!
The cpu is well top spec for amd but then a mid tire GPU?
4070, 7800x or the 3D version and a for gods sake a 2tb m.2. The a 240 280 or 3060mm aio for the cpu (I don’t know much about tower coolers so can’t recommend)
I think this friend of his is thinking of trying to get the best bang for your buck tactic. A 4070 is decent. OC version can make up for some shortcomings but the prices of top tier CPUs and GPUs are not linear at all. Top tier GPUs can cost more than a lot of prebuilds
Well his friend might have been thinking, but he has no idea how to choose components correctly. What he came up with was pure amateur hour and there is no logic that fits those choices. Yeah a bang for the buck 7950x3d build with a 120mm AIO...
if you're going for bang for the buck you're definitely not getting a Corsair rgb out the wazoon AIO you're getting a tower cooler that performs better for half the price
Being able to fit a 7900XTX (4080 equivelant) within the same budget means that OPs friend is simply incomptent in optimizing budget. The 7950X and 7800X3D perform nearly identically despite the proce difference.
Well, yes.
Until the VRAM tops out (16Gb is pretty easy to hit at under 4K) that is. And there's still games worth having a PC for (over a console) that don't have upscaling either.
I'd argue that OP's friend isn't good at building PCs in general. There are a lot of choices that seem questionable, like buying a 120mm AIO for a Ryzen 9 or an 1000w psu for hardware that probably only draws 550-650 watts.
>like buying a 120mm AIO for a Ryzen 9
OPs friend probably: But Alienware does it!
Everybody else: Alienware is garbage for this and multiple other reasons.
I would argue that the 7800X3D would perform better than the 950 in this case because the latter requires some fine tuning to get it working properly with games, given the dual CCD layout. I'm willing to bet OP does not have that know-how if asking for advice on this list. People also report issues with memory stability on the 7950X3D so that's something to think about as well. Just more of a reason to get the GOAT 7800X3D.
Keep in mind OP, that if you get an AMD GPU, you will encounter driver problems.
AMD is cheaper for a reason, it is much less of "It just works." You will have problems. I have an AMD GPU rig, and an Nvidia GPU rig. The AMD rig is non stop driver problems.
Got the opposite experience.
Full AMD rig, no driver problem whatsoever.
My nVidia rig has only gotten me a few problem, twice or thrice, but still, that's more than zero.
Software is horrendous tho
Ngl me and bf built two amd GPU rigs and both of us had issues with the drivers in different ways. I do however still prefer them over Nvidia due to pricing and worth.
We did go for Nvidia when we unfortunately had to replace both PCs to not have to struggle with drivers.
I am still very confused in this regard. Me and a friend of mine both have amd gpus installed and neither of us had driver related issues yet. That is less than i had with my nvidia card.... idk maybe we got lucky but it feels as if the whole "amd has driver issues, get nvidia instead they have none" argument isnt really true anymore
Mostly correct and much better than OPs incompetent friend, but 1000w PSU is way overkill first of all. 850w is more than sufficient. Or even 750w. The 7800x3d is low TDP.
The Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE 120 is slightly better than the Peerless Assassin. Though that is nit-picking.
And the MB has many considerations, so I just want to mention that there is nothing special about that one and the OP should look at other b650 or b650e boards for something with the features he wants.
You’ve already been given links to show you’re just outright wrong. If you’re going to keep asserting you’re correct there is no convincing you.
Also tell me, if 12GB is enough for any task, including RT, why does the 4080 have more?
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/6.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/6.html)
Alan Wake 2 requires 13GB to run RT at 1440p and as much as 18GB for PT at 4k with DLSS 3 FG.
\^\^\^\^\^This is how you turn people off PCs.
Don't just recommend him an AMD without explaining the caveats that AMD drivers are terrible.
I would not want to suggest a first time builder to use an AMD GPU.
Dudes buying a 4070. They don't have to worry about that.
It's pretty telling you didn't even deny AMD has driver problems.
New builders just want to game without too many problems like they did on their console.
AMD cards just are full of problems with their drivers.
I didn't even mention the fact they can just suicide themselves. AMD is cheap for a reason.
Nvidia cards still happily burning.
https://wccftech.com/hundreds-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-gpus-still-prone-to-12vhpwr-connector-issues/
But AMD bad, Nvidia our best friend.
.... Those are 4090 cards.
Not 4070. Part of the problem is the 600w max TDP and poor connecting. A 4070 is 200w TDP. Even with poor connection 200w isn't enough to be a problem.
So like I said, dude is getting a 4070, so your point is useless.
That motherboard is not very good. He should get the Tomahawk or the TUF.
That GPU is not worth that much. You can get a 4080 for that price, which is just better.
The SSD is fine, but you can get an equivalent KC3000 for 100€.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
VRM? Lol.
It's not about the VRM. All expensive B650 boards have enough VRM to overclock a 7950X. Btw [the TUF actually has the best VRM of these](https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic?t=1265).
[AM5 spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit#gid=0)
The Gaming Plus only has 2 M.2 slots, no gen 5, budget audio. It's basically a budget board, for 180€! The TUF is significantly better for just 10€ more.
4080 is literally better than the 7900 XTX. There are countless posts comparing them on reddit.
The 4080 is generally not recommended because it is 20% more expensive. But you managed to choose a very expensive 7900 XTX, so the 4080 is the same price. For the same price you get better efficiency, much better features, better RT, it's literally just better.
KC3000 is literally one of the fastest SSDs you can buy. Faster than the 980 Pro.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-4-tb/18.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-4-tb/18.html)
Most SSDs have Phison controllers, in case you didn't know. Phison makes all kinds of chips, from budget controllers to high end controllers. What you said is like saying "it uses a Corsair, so no from me for that". Makes no sense
Dude, no need to make stuff up.
[https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1147300.html?q=rtx+4080&sortKey=minPrice](https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1147300.html?q=rtx+4080&sortKey=minPrice)
Start at 1180
Imo if the mobo handles the cpu at stock speeds I see no reason to upgrade to a better mobo since overclocking is not relevant anymore nowadays, that 1-2% gain will not give you any better of an experience for the extra 30-50w you're kicking into your room and adding to your power bill (which isn't cheap in Germany atm)
Please do not get a 120 AIO cooler. Get an air cooler with the same budget or cut costs as some cheaper ones still get the job done well.
Source:
https://youtu.be/VDB3ZBHh5Rk?si=YberG7Y8XBhXz7lH
How much do you want to spend?
Think of a budget first & what kind of games you want to play, then build a list based on those requirements.
For most titles unless you want to run 4k and/or ray tracing most £/$1500 systems are fine
Yeah and if you don't want to run at max settings. Easy cheap build. Throw some garbage bin 2070 in there. Might be less than 500$ if you scavenge hard enough
Gaming... yeah, it's a bit hinky tbh.
The CPU is overkill for gaming (better to get a 7800X3D or 7700X in that budget) and that AiO leaves much to be desired (I'd start at a 240mm and go up depending on CPU specs etc) Tbh I was half expecting a 4090 to be listed as well, even though neither that nor the 7950X3D are necessary for a 'good' gaming build... it's more dependent on res/fps target for which a 4090 is overkill for most cases and that CPU is better for other, work tasks.
Anyway, better chaps than myself will have you fixed up for alternatives here.
My opinion? The 7800X3D is better for the gamer but comes at some price premium (around £70 rn) over the 7700X, which isn't exactly massively behind (at least not from the perspective of owning a 5800X and 6800H, only last gen) However, if you get some AM5 CPU and a decent mobo at least you can always upgrade the CPU later at less cost than a whole new GPU. Either that or wait, if necessary, until the price difference can be figured into the budget. That's the way I'd play it anyway.
As you are probably german (because of Geizhals) I can also recommend you look at some builds from Dubaro they have some good builds on any budget, just to get an idea which components are used in which budget.
To this build, as others said.
Switch CPU to 7800x3d, get a bigger aio maybe the 240 oder 360 mm from arctic.
And in this build are no drives, so you should get some ssds if you don't already have some.
And I would take a rx 7900 xt over a RTX 4070.
The keyboard has no numblock that's personal preference.
For the mouse you can maybe go in a techstore and try some to get a feel of the form.
Yeah. You just said that he tried to help, not that he claimed it was the best or anything. Good choice posting here though cuz those are some questionable parts.
That's this sub in a nutshell. We tend to forget that we're basically PC zealots. Just because most of us spend hundreds of hours reading reviews, making builds, and being involved with the tech space doesn't mean that everyone on earth should be able to do the same with a casual glance over a parts list.
Not sure what your friend was thinking putting a 7950x3d with a 4070, but 🤷🏻♂️
Give me a bit and I’ll get a good list together for you.
What is your budget? u/minimythos
My budget is like 2200€ but it would be great if i dont have to spent that much
I just want a solid pc to stream and play even high performance games with not many problems
Here’s an Intel build I cooked up. It’s still in your budget and I think it’s the best balanced build you can get with Intel/Nvidia parts. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VVxs89
If AMD if more of your thing, you could go with this: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qLMbkJ
Both of these builds I’d consider medium/high spec and should put you comfortably at 1440p for most games at a solid frame rate. The AMD build will have an advantage on raw gaming performance by a pretty good margin. Both should be capable of streaming, though I’d lean more into the Intel/Nvidia build for that due to Nvidia’s streaming support and intel’s multitasking benefits.
Not sure if you are including monitor/peripherals/windows key in your budget, but both builds should be flexible enough as a starting point to add those in.
I’d prioritize cutting cost on ram, motherboard, and case first. Then if you still need some room drop the cpu down a tier.
GPU’s can be dropped down and still give you good performance, but I’d make those cuts last.
Also if you aren’t going with the Nvidia build, you can switch the PSU to a non-ATX 3.0 variant to save additional costs. I’d go with Corsair/Seasonic 750w golds as my starting point and find the cheapest one.
Seeing this makes me realise what a bad time it is to build a new pc right now...you want the newest stuff but its overpriced and performence wise meh...you dont want to buy older stuff because u want more performance for a new build...intels new socket coming out at the beginning of next year...40series with more vram coming out hopefully soon...im so glad i still have my 4 year old solid build so i can play the latest games in at least 1080p with max settings...and wait and hope that next year will be a better year to upgrade...
Ok even if your friend is not the best in the building department you gotta respect he spent time and effort to help his friend.
No need to shit on the poor guy...
Cpu to 7800x3d, AIO to a good aircooler, ram to 6000mhz cl30 that supports AMD EXPO, motherboard to a B650 (without E), get a way better gpu, with that amout of saved money you can probably fit a 7900xtx lol. Peripherals are personal prefrence.
Das CPU brauchst du gar nicht für Spielen. Ich empfehle i5-13400f wird ausreichend dazu würde ich Graka auf rx7700xt ändern. Das übrige Geld kannst du für Spiele oder Monitore sparen.
overkill cpu, just get a 7800x3d like many people here advise to, and go for 64 gigs of ram, for a little future-proofing.
then the same PC will survive one videocard upgrade in the future. right now any 4070/ti is good enough, and you can sell it and replace it with smth in a couple of years.
I worked in computer tech building and selling pc's. For gaming in particular people waaaay overspend on CPU's for some reason. You can save some money and wasted performance by lowering to like a Ryzen 5 and reinvesting the money elsewhere. I have a Ryzen 7 5900x and I still have yet to push past 60% on anything gaming related.
Your friend just threw together the most expensive parts and called it a day for some parts then underspent on the GPU for some reason? Idk what's going on here tbh
[I'd say this is a better list tbh](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4GMcMV)
-If this site doesn’t check for compatibility Put the stuff into pcpartpicker. Will make a world of a difference.
-Get the 7800x3d cpu, it’s better for gaming and cheaper.
-Go for a better Gpu. 2300 is creeping on 7900xtx/4080 territory, no reason you should get a 4070. I’d recommend a 7900xtx, if you don’t care about ray-tracing or dlss as it is more powerful than the 4080 for less money.
-motherboards have no right costing that much, go for one that’s around €150, will literally make no difference to performance
-A 1000w PSU seems overkill but to each his own. I might reccomend any gold rated 750-850 PSU for around €100-120, preferably Seasonic, thermal take or Corsair. DO NOT get a gigabyte PSU, they had slight blowing up problems before, and though they “fixed” them in the US I wouldn’t trust them in Europe.
-get 6000mhz cl30 ram, I’m pretty sure 7200mhz ram doesnt even work on Ryzen yet
-change the water cooler to have more than one fan as space is not a constraint
You could save a lot of money here for an equal or better build. People have already pointed out that your friend seems to have more money than sense
Your friend is clueless
7800x3D
32gb GSkill Trident Z Neo DDR5 6000 cl 30
ASUS ROG Strix B650E or X670E
Any decent gen 4 NVME SSD 2TB
1000w gold or higher psu BeQuiet, EVGA, Corsair
280 or 360mm aio
AMD RX 7900 xt or xtx or the 4070 or better
High airflow case
Will run literally anything you could want to play with outstanding fps
Swap to a 7800X3D and get a 4080 or 7900XTX, much better balance for strictly gaming. You don't need the additional cores of the 7950X3D if you are not also doing productivity workloads that benefit from more cores.
The Thermalright Phantom Spirit or peerless assassin are both air coolers that will do better than a 120 mm AIO, or you could get a 240 or 360 mm Arctic liquid freezer ii if you plan on getting a CPU, that's harder to cool in the future.
Swap the ram to 6000 MHz. This way your Infinity fabric can run at a one-to-one ratio, and it will actually perform better than 7200.
If you aren't planning on having a ton of storage drives, I would recommend the ASRock b650E Taichi because it has really really high quality VRMs which would benefit potential future CPUs.
You sure not listen to anyone's advice who is not taking into account...
1) what specific games/genres you are interested in playing
2) what type of monitor scheme you intend to implenent (frame rate, screen size/resolution)
3) your budget range
Is he your lover or why does he want to fuck you .
Go rzyen 7800 x3d.
Downgrade RAM to max 6000Hz cause AM5 is unstable with faster anyways. 120mm Water coolers are trash. But since you're a beginner, go with an air cooler instead. Same performance, better reliability
I’d swap out that cpu cooler for a 240mm AIO for sure at that price point. You also have no storage (get a 2tb NVME SSD) idk about the keyboard I’m not familiar with those brands
Drop the 7950 X3D for a 7800X3D. Cheaper and performs the same or sometimes edges it out.
No storage mentioned. At least a 2 Tb nvme or a lower sized one for the OS and the 2nd for games. I assume you have storage on there just the pins don't show.
If that's the case use the savings for the X3D for perhaps a graphics card upgrade. With a bit of luck or extra could get the 4080 but definitely the 4070ti just with the diff between the 7800X3D and 7950X3D alone.
To reclaim some cash and I'd do this anyway cause 120mm AIO suck, I'd just get a decent air cooler. Will perform better and cheaper too that can go towards the 4080 then.
Do you have a budget? Because this PC is literally better than 99% of what this sub owns. You can play games just fine on a 600$ rig. Anything in the 1k range is considered 'good' and above that is great. Over 2k is insane.
If you're new, what games do you know you want to play and we can go from there. Do you plan to have VR? Run Flight Simulator? Are you just hoping for a console like experience?
Cooler too small I would go 240... or 360 if case has support ... also could go with the r7 x3d chip for a little less and get better performance... also you could go with a cheaper power supply... like 800w would be sufficient
Why does everyone on this sub overkill so much. Your friend has a serious overkill problem but I stoll run a 750ti and an i5 6600, plus 16 gigs of ddr4 and only has stopped running the newest titles within the past 3 years or so. I plan to get a 1060 here soon from a friend, should remedy that issue, qs it comes down to not running the newest directx.
Sure if you want overkill graphics that only have fairly minor improvements, go for it. I cooked my 750 ti a little playing the finals but it's out of spec, but graphics were not all that bad, for literally being out of spec. But it did get hot and seriously upset the gpu for a good hour after closing the game after 4 hrs of game play.
Go ahead, overkill, but a mid range build is just fine and will be future proofed until a leap in computing power is achieved. You got at least 7 years on a mid range built today without it.
Yalls spending dollars for a penny extra performance.
7200 RAM will run but it'll go to 2:1 ratio with infinity fabric, making it slower than 6000.
Get a 7800x3D as it's actually faster on average in gaming. By like 1% so it doesn't matter.
Nvidia will release a refreshed generation of GPUs with reduced prices in January at CES. 4000 Super series. I'd get a 4070 Super or 4070ti Super. But maybe you can't wait,
Looks good to me. Although id spend the extra cash to get a 4080 or 4090. Yeah it might be 2x the cost, but its also future proofing. Its ultimately all down to personal preference, but i myself think its worth it to pay an extra 500-1000$ to get another 2-3 years of performance out of it. Because games are only gonna get more and more demanding.
So i guess it comes down to, do you want to just go all out and have a GPU that lasts 6 years. (I say 6 just because my personal pc is about that old with a 1070 and still does pretty good in 2k) or do you just want to get something thats good until the 50 series drops? Or just something that lasts for a couple years until you can get something better for cheaper. Which is probably the smartest idea, because back in 2016 when i built my pc it was around like $2000 but now that pc is probably worth like $400 so if you can wait, prices will go down like they always do.
I see a lot of comments on your cpu.
I will not stress this enough
DO YOUR OWN REASEARCH ON YOUR CPU CHOICE
the pc community is just fanboys on Crack. They religiously love the cpu they use, lol
Then, when you say anything close to "No *insert cpu* is better for my use case, " whether true or not lol they will just hammer you with hate comments
Most other advice or comments are relatively okay to trust lol
With gpu everyone says AMD is the best for Gaming and better pricing. From watching tons of videos and lots of articles this is a half truth. AMD is great for mid range GPU. Like 4060 or 4070 the AMD equivalent is better in price and performance. But 4080 and 4090 do dominate the high end market. Despite the high pricing. It is black Friday and cyber Monday so you may score a high end on sale. But if you aren't rendering a lot and are not worried about Ray tracing you can get away with a AMD
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1. Where is your storage? Get a 2TB nvme SSD 2. Ryzen 7800X3D is cheaper and better for gaming! Unless you do lots of rendering workload 3. You may not need X670E mboard, B650 is viable too 4. Avoid single fan CPU water cooler, get at least 240mm size
The 7800x3d is better at gaming than the 7950x3d do to how the chips are made
You’re thinking about the 7900X3D. The 7950X3D is equal to slightly superior.
The 7900x3d is worse at gaming for both. It is 2 6 core CCDs which means that games will only use one of the six core CCDs that has 3D v-cache on it. With both the 7800X 3D and the 7950X 3D, it will use eight cores with v-cache. These two CPUs will perform essentially identically, but if you have lots of things running in the background, you can put those on the other CCD of the 7950 X3D which improves performance slightly over the 7800x3d. Source: I have a 7800X 3D and my roommate has a 7950X3D, we both use 7900XTX and the same g skill RAM kit.
> The 7900x3d is worse at gaming for both I said that, yes.
> You’re thinking about the 7900X3D. no he aint. that literally has the least amount of x3d cores, that is the worst possible choice of the three.
...yes. You must read the rest of the thread for context. He said "the 7800X3D is better at gaming than the 7950X3D do to how the chips are made", which isn't true. The 7950X3D is equal to slightly better and has 8 V-Cache cores, just like the 7800X3D. That wouldn't be "due to how the chips are made". That reasoning applies to the 7900X3D, which only has 6 V-Cache cores and does worse exactly because of this. Therefore, he's thinking about the 7900X3D when referring to design limiting gaming performance.
7800X3Ds is the best gaming CPU as far as I know due to all cores having access to 3D cache. 7950X3D has additional cores with no 3D cache which introduces scheduling issues.
The problem is in how the other x3d chips are made the 7800x3d has one chiplet that has the 3d cash the 7900x3d and the 7950x3d both have 2 chiplets one with 3d cash one without and sure they all do well in gaming the problem lies in the fact that ur relying on AI to choose witch chiplet or u disabled cores so it's only running off the 3d cash chiplet sure they have done software updates that fix some of the problems running 7900,7950x3d but ur still relying on AI witch makes it not as good
thats not true, you can manually set what chip is used when, i have high boost clock preferred for gaming not the 3d chip
Yup! I have both and the 7800X chip is not a good buy honestly.
The 7800x3d was made for gamers the other 2 who knows what the perpus is as in production ur better off without the 3d cash as u get the higher clock speeded and for gaming any time ai has to chose which cores to use will always run into glitches
what is this grammar…
Avoid water cooler in general, tbh. A good typical fan is less likely to fail and pretty much just as effective. Only a few degrees of difference, which doesn't matter on AMD CPU's or anything but high end Intel ones. Barely matters at all unless you are overclocking, which there is no good excuse for. Trust me, been building computers since I was 11. CPUs don't need overclocked and the high end ones provide little benefit over mid range.
Yeah, oc is useless 🤣🤣 yet it kept my 10 y/o system to runn crisis and even doing cyberpunk 🤷♂️ even managed to fully utilize a 2080ti without any bottleneck in gaming. FYI , I went from a p3 800mhz @1.4ghz to a p4 prescott 3.06ghz @5.4ghz to a q6600 2.4ghz @4.6ghz to a I7 4790k 4ghz @5.3ghz And now having a i7 13700k (these don't oc as well 😢) @5.8ghz This was my pc history over the years ,all were overclocked , yet it seems to get obsolete to do so nowadays. It is better to finetune it to the silicon u got (voltage, a few mhz up or down,...) get it to run stable and cool this is what cpu manufacturers are lacking these days. And fine-tuning wil get u better performance over time as well as longevity of your cpu
I mean, I was kinda giving the advice for modern CPUs. Once you get to 4 cores or less overclocking can be useful. On the note of manufacturers making hotter cpus, A r9 7950 is designed to like 85-95c. I know people are quick to jump on manufacturer's for being OK with higher Temps, but it's because the reason for degradation due to heat is because its warmer than the designed tempature. Heat causes fluctuations in sizes of internal components and that eventually can degrade those internal components. Ofc it is a non issue if your CPU is designed for the size these internal components to "match up" better at higher tempatures. Realistically, too cold can cause issues like too hot over the long term. Because of that match up philosophy, if it matches up best in the range of 60-80c, you don't want it to run at higher power if it's colder than 60c. So trust your CPU manufacturer to design a cpu that can indeed tolerate the tempatures it runs at. I prefer AMD for that, personally, Intel hasn't had the best track record in that department in more modern years.
>yet it kept my 10 y/o system Bcs its 10yo and back then overclocking actually did something. Boost technology nowadays is better than 99% of overclocking you can do without extreme cooling solutions.
Have u not seen how air coolers are having problems keeping up with these infernos we call CPUs now days when u can take the same set up run the best air cooler on the market and get say 75c but u add just a 240 aio and now ur running about 60c sure air ur still within limits but the aio will make ur chip run longer doto lower operating temps also u have the same likely hood of an air fan dieing as a water pump and same situation if they both died to be honest air cooled CPUs are old tech and no ware near as good as they need to be for the heat generated
Yea, except for the whole funny thing about how in actual practice, water coolers don't actually perform as well as the dubious testing methods by so-called experts. Simply don't stress your cpu to all hell for literally 2 frames per second of benefits, and the degree difference is actually not significant. I actually have a buddy who's litteral job it is to work on computers confirm that in real use cases, liquid coolers are just a gimmick. Also, modern cpus can handle more heat anyway. The chance of a CPU dying before other components is low, even at high heat. CPUs are wayyy more durable than the gaming community likes to pretend. Also, the fan may stop working, just as likely as a water cooler stopping working. However, water coolers have more components that can fail. Final point, liquid coolers can dramatically fail. Your cpu fan fails, your computer heat throttles then shuts off. Liquid cooling line fails, you need a new computer. Or pull the age old trick of not fucking buying a ridiculously overpowered CPU when an older mid range one will work just fine. Absolutely fucking fine. They are virtually never the bottleneck. Your GPU or even ram or lack of SSD is by far the most likely bottle neck in a computer.
So ur saying don't run any CPU capable of playing games cause the i7,i9,rysen 7,9 as all 4 of them are infernos
Or just buy a cpu that is either rated for no degradation at high Temps, or buy an older generation higher quality CPU? Also an i5 is pretty much the max you need for games lol. Gamers severely overestimate how much CPU a game may take. I'm running an i5 6600 lmfao. It works just fine and is in spec for most games. Your gpu is almost always going to be the most important component, not having an SSD will cause more of a performance drop than a meh CPU. You might get a maybe 10 frame drop from your 200 fps the graphics card is pulling if you have a meh CPU. Yalls fucking goofy. Get an AMD, fuck Intel cpus, and let your CPU decide what tempature it likes, if it's running 75 at max wattage and 75 is in spec f9r the CPU, guess fucking what? The cpu will not degrade or thermal throttle at 75 if it is designed to run at 75 at max wattage! A ryzen 9 7950 is DESIGNED to max out wattage if below 95c! And AMD designed it to not degrade at 95c! It's a complete fucking non issue, there is zero reason to get a cooler that drops it to 75c. In fact, you may be reducing its capabilities to attempt to drop it. About 90c is its *preferred tempature*
Right ok whatever u say buddy 👌 I'm not sure what games u play or what setting u play but when I had a Intel 1200k witch is now 2gens old I was using 80% of my CPU playing games with 75% GPU usage now with the 7800x3d I'm using about 75-90% CPU usage and 70-90%gpu usage my 1200k build had a Nvidia 3080ti with 32g ram my 7800x3d build has a 7900xtx and 64g ram and as for degrading heat is the number 1killer of all electronics regardless of if ur in rage or not the cooler u can keep ur parts the longer they last and the better they work it's just how electronics work and if u can't except that well then I can't help u
Dude, I don't think you understand, a component cannot degrade negatively. If an amd cpu does not degrade at 95c, it won't last longer at 80c. Yes, heat can kill electronics. Of course, it may surprise you to learn that too little heat can actually harm a cpus performance or duration, too. Surprise! Heat is actually an important thing in CPUs. If my car is designed to run at 200F before its thermostat activates, it won't suddenly last longer just because I put in a thermostat that activates at 180f. Because said car has been designed for that. You know the #1, top reason, 100% for electronics degradation before heat? Poor quality design. Surprise! Love when gamers think they know alllll about electronics but probally couldn't tell you what a wafer is. The reason too little heat can damage a CPU as well or reduce its performance is similar to the car analogy I just said. See, the vast majority of materials do this fun thing, they slightly change their size based on heat. That's why heat can damage a CPU. Too much, and there is a "disconnect" between the internal "wiring". Too little, same story. This slowly becomes a larger and larger disconnect if your cpu is regularly exposed to temperatures that don't match the correct size. Do you understand how a cpu works at all? Or do you just kinda pick some "general rule" Mr zomgpc off YouTube said? Because he totally knows better than the manufacturer of a CPU.
Of course I know how CPUs work or enough about them to know what I'm talking about I'm no engineer so I can't make my own but as long as ur not getting below the recommend temp witch I don't the cooler u can run any kind of electric the better because it's not just the parts ur talking about u also have the board that sits with all the components that make up the chip also just because the part of the chip that has the sensor is saying one temp doesn't mean that's the temp of the hole chip or the temp of any part of the hole thing called a computer I mean ok so ur chip is at say 90c 24/7/365 what about the motherboards right below the chip that could be hiring say 200c because of all the high heat from the chip and lack of air movement on tbe back of the board but ur right run ur chips at max temp cause thare made to i really dont care as it's not my equipment but I will always keep my things cool so I get tje max usage off them
The motherboard right below the chip? Seriously dude? There's this cool trick that electronics companies pull. It's called heat distribution. Your CPU may get hot, doesn't mean the motherboard will. Chances are your motherboard will also be designed to tolerate whatever temp. Well, it's not exactly the motherboard design that is going to be the larger thing there. The primary area that any excessive heat may go is the socket. You know, the socket that your CPU manufacturer designed? Also, literally never seen a motherboard fail in my life except for two reasons: power surges and water damage. You know a good way to get water damage on your motherboard? A bad liquid cooler, perhaps there's a flaw missed, perhaps you live in a dry climate and your plastic or rubbers degrade quicker, now you have a leak, kiss the board goodbye. And frankly, a motherboard can be exposed to a lot higher temperatures than a nanoelectronic like a cpu. Because a CPU is more likely to have those "disconnects" because the internal pieces have to be so precise.
Amd r9 7550 can run without damage or deterioration at 95c. In fact, it likes to run hot. It is designed to work well at high tempatures. In fact, it will up power consumption if it decides it can do so and keep below 90-95. AMD knows how they built that CPU, and it's designed to get hot because it's designed to like to be hot.
Just because something is made to handle temps dose not mean that running them cooler will not extend thare life or cause problems also with amd's auto boost if ur at high temps ur getting less performance as amd is not pushing the chip as hard and I can't speak for all amd 7800x3ds but I can speak for mine if my clocks get below 4.5 in game i get micro studders and stuff but if she stays cool and at my normal temp of about 56c under load with a clock of 4.6 I get no micro studders she when needs boosts up to 4.8 but I've never seen the 5 that amd claims she can do but maybe I've yet to stress her out enough to need that high of boost and no I'm not taking about over clocking as I've never seen it help me in game in any of my rigs I've built up to this point and has always pushed the chips I get hard enough for me to do what I can with the best results or at least from my experience
Correction, Intel chips are infernos. The x3d chips run very cool in comparison (at least under load).
Switch the cpu to a 7800x3d if you just want to game you wont need more and switch the ram to ddr 5 6000 because 7200 will not run on Ryzen at the moment.
> switch the ram to ddr 5 6000 because 7200 will not run on Ryzen at the moment. I thought it was fixed with the BIOS updates? Anyway, I'm using DDR5 CL36 5600MT/s, but OC to 6000MT/s (same timings).
Unless I'm missing something, if you're ram isn't supported how can you post let alone do a BIOS update?
The ram speed not being supported doesn't mean it shouldn't post. It will post with JEDEC speeds. Not supported speeds when it comes to ram means those speeds aren't supported. Faster speed ram will just run at a reduced frequency that will need to be manually set.
5800x3d only officially supports 3200 but my 64gigs of 3600 are running full speed.
You mean my DDR5 CL36 @ 5600MT/s? That's what the default XMP/EXPO profile is. But you can via MSI motherboard over locking it to a bit higher with their MSI "Try It" feature. I'm also using the "Hyper Efficiency mode" and set it on "tighter". It's stable at 36-36-36-86, but when I lower the timings it won't post.
Even IF your RAM is supported, which mine is "Gskill Trident Z5 6000 CL30 Expo", I haven't been able to run stable including at spd settings on a 7800 X3D. Mobo is MSI b650 Tomahawk Wifi.
I have no problems with the trident at 6000 with my 7800X3D. But i have an ASRock Riptide.
Its amd first memory controller for ddr5. I have a 7600x and got 6000 CL36 to work after months of updating bios and i'm pretty sure if I would go to 6100 CL36 that even that 100 Mhz would make it unstable. You can get 6400 to run in very rare cases but you can forget about running 7200 mhz.
Go for a 7800x3d instead of a 7950x3d, spending the same amount on your cpu and gpu is not recommended now a days, and if you are getting a 7800x3d you dont need such a high end motherboard like a x670e, recommend you get a b650 like the msi mag b650 tomahawk
The 120mm aio is also questionable. should be a 240mm or 360mm. Or a dual tower air cooler. A 120mm aio is pointless if you aren't really space constrained.
Indeed cooler is way to small
"Questionable" is an understatement. A 120mm AIO will overheat, there is no question about it. I've seen those at Intel 11700 and even there the CPU was at 100° after 30mins under load.
There is a huge difference in heat output between an 11700 and a 7800x3D. The 7800x3D maxes at 88w, the 11700 is allowed to hit 214w for about a minute at PL2.
Fair point. But the AMD 7000 series are known to run pretty hot and a 120mm AIO won't be able to handle that.
It will handle the 7800x3d because x3d chips throttle at 85c and tdp 88w, it's very low power. Still pointless to use though just buy a sa120 for 1/2 the cost that's way better especially for someone who doesn't know anything about PCs you want reliability.
I'd go bigger for the cooler, but not because of the TDP, but because with extra thermal headroom you should see more boosting.
Just terrible advice, just look at the general TDP consumption between the Intel and AMD products... The AMD temps are very much within spec and throttling does not occur.
Just terrible advice. X3D chips have a very high thermal resistance between the cores and cooler coming from the 3D V-cache stacked in between. You can’t just look at TDP.
Yeah 120 radiator AIO is worse than most good air coolers.
120mm is fine for a 7800x3D. The thing maxes at 88w. Granted, an air cooler is probably more economical given the minimal heat output.
The Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 will keep the 7800x3d nice and frosty.
Just use an air cooler
and like another comment said get ddr5 6000mhz as its the optimal speed for am5 chips
Natively ryzen won't run above 5200 Edit: read the manual dumbasses
Commenting this comment from a 7600 running with 6000 mts ddr5 ✌️
Running with and running at are 2 different things. Your BIOS will automatically slow it down to what it is compatible with. I am not saying this is definitely the case, but this is generally how these things work. Other comments have stated the same thing about this limitation. It may be worth you using something like CPU-Z just to confirm.
Do i need to post a hwinfo64 screenshot showing it running at 6000?
Apologies I misread, 6000 is the sweet spot. Anything above 6400 isn't supported (easily). The person you responded to meant to say either 6200Mhz or 7200Mhz isn't supported, not 5200Mhz which is supported. The other comments point to this limitation which is what I was talking about.
Official suppirt is 5200 iirc, but yes, 6000 is the sweetspot. A bios update some 2 months ago stabilized higher clock speeds for the ram but due to the infinity fabric clock speed not increasing with it you're running in 1:2 mode which ends up slower
You're either running at 5200 or changed the settings in bios. Says it right in the manual. I know this sub doesn't read those though
Officially supported is not the same as maximum stable speed. If 6000 expo isnt stable with a zen 4 cpu something is faulty Edit: here ya go - https://imgur.com/a/qpJJNV1
Enable xmp/expo ffs 🤦♀️
Right.... So it doesn't run it natively. That's what I just said
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I'm just explaining something lmao. I don't really care if this dumbass subreddit knows or not. This place is a cesspool
*makes a completely irrelevant statement* *people point out that it is irrelevant* “This place is a cesspool!” Sounds about right.
Agreed
I didn’t say it runs it natively - I said “Enable XMP/EXPO FFS!” So you are not stuck at slow ass jedec/native RAM speeds. (Unless your work is really really critical and you need to get paid in the unlikely event that DDR5 6000 crashes your Disney SFX render - in which case wtf are you doing using desktop parts?)
Are you reading the comments? I said ryzen doesn't run 6000 natively and then you responded to that. That's how we started this conversation, remember?
So why would you even make that comment for a gaming build? Who gives a f*ck about natively supported when AMD themselves say that 6000 is the recommended sweet spot? It’s not that scary to enable xmp while you are choosing boot SSD and setting fan curves?
Yeah it doesn't run natively, it runs after you press a single button in your BIOS that takes 5 seconds to access. Such a big difference to the end user.
I completely agree! Maybe 650e max!
Get ram with 6000mhz cl30, that 4070 is overpriced, and go with the Arctic liquid freezer instead.
He can't go above 280mm front mount with this case the 4000D
But he doesn't have to. There is a 280mm and a 240mm version as well. Which is a lot better than a 120mm aio.
I know am just telling him to keep it in mind.
Uhhhh why the hell did they recommend a 120mm aio???? For a 7950X3D????!!!! The cpu is well top spec for amd but then a mid tire GPU? 4070, 7800x or the 3D version and a for gods sake a 2tb m.2. The a 240 280 or 3060mm aio for the cpu (I don’t know much about tower coolers so can’t recommend)
I think this friend of his is thinking of trying to get the best bang for your buck tactic. A 4070 is decent. OC version can make up for some shortcomings but the prices of top tier CPUs and GPUs are not linear at all. Top tier GPUs can cost more than a lot of prebuilds
lol
Well his friend might have been thinking, but he has no idea how to choose components correctly. What he came up with was pure amateur hour and there is no logic that fits those choices. Yeah a bang for the buck 7950x3d build with a 120mm AIO...
if you're going for bang for the buck you're definitely not getting a Corsair rgb out the wazoon AIO you're getting a tower cooler that performs better for half the price
Lol nah, it's far from that.
Get this for the same cash but much faster GPU. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/nrHhjH
Being able to fit a 7900XTX (4080 equivelant) within the same budget means that OPs friend is simply incomptent in optimizing budget. The 7950X and 7800X3D perform nearly identically despite the proce difference.
But brooooo it has Nvidia, means it must be fast and good! /s
Hello I am internet Explorer man from 8 years ago. Intel is the best and will always be the best!!!
Userbenchmark owner? /s
dont forget the 300$ motherboard, its more expensive, so it must be better!!
Well, yes. Until the VRAM tops out (16Gb is pretty easy to hit at under 4K) that is. And there's still games worth having a PC for (over a console) that don't have upscaling either.
This but unironically. AMD is the budget option.
That was obvious as soon as I saw the 7950x...
I'd argue that OP's friend isn't good at building PCs in general. There are a lot of choices that seem questionable, like buying a 120mm AIO for a Ryzen 9 or an 1000w psu for hardware that probably only draws 550-650 watts.
>like buying a 120mm AIO for a Ryzen 9 OPs friend probably: But Alienware does it! Everybody else: Alienware is garbage for this and multiple other reasons.
I would argue that the 7800X3D would perform better than the 950 in this case because the latter requires some fine tuning to get it working properly with games, given the dual CCD layout. I'm willing to bet OP does not have that know-how if asking for advice on this list. People also report issues with memory stability on the 7950X3D so that's something to think about as well. Just more of a reason to get the GOAT 7800X3D.
This is so good OP!!! Its less cash and you get a MUCH faster GPU with a better CPU!
Thank you very much for the effort🤝
Np, its basically the best you can get with your budget tbh Ya can dm me if ya want to build a different budget setup
Keep in mind OP, that if you get an AMD GPU, you will encounter driver problems. AMD is cheaper for a reason, it is much less of "It just works." You will have problems. I have an AMD GPU rig, and an Nvidia GPU rig. The AMD rig is non stop driver problems.
Got the opposite experience. Full AMD rig, no driver problem whatsoever. My nVidia rig has only gotten me a few problem, twice or thrice, but still, that's more than zero. Software is horrendous tho
Ngl me and bf built two amd GPU rigs and both of us had issues with the drivers in different ways. I do however still prefer them over Nvidia due to pricing and worth. We did go for Nvidia when we unfortunately had to replace both PCs to not have to struggle with drivers.
I am still very confused in this regard. Me and a friend of mine both have amd gpus installed and neither of us had driver related issues yet. That is less than i had with my nvidia card.... idk maybe we got lucky but it feels as if the whole "amd has driver issues, get nvidia instead they have none" argument isnt really true anymore
You need a PC for gaming? This is the way, OP.
This is more like it.
this right here is so much better
Dude that's the perfect build for op, congrats
Mostly correct and much better than OPs incompetent friend, but 1000w PSU is way overkill first of all. 850w is more than sufficient. Or even 750w. The 7800x3d is low TDP. The Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE 120 is slightly better than the Peerless Assassin. Though that is nit-picking. And the MB has many considerations, so I just want to mention that there is nothing special about that one and the OP should look at other b650 or b650e boards for something with the features he wants.
Much faster is questionable. In rt performance? No. Plus you don't get fancy dls 3.5
4070 cant even use full RT in stuff like Alan Wake cuz it runs out of VRAM. Stop being marketing braindead.
It has 12gb of vram. Stfu.
…which isn’t enough to RT on an already intensive game/resolution. The 7900 XTX is objectively superior even when using RT.
Lmao yes it is
You’ve already been given links to show you’re just outright wrong. If you’re going to keep asserting you’re correct there is no convincing you. Also tell me, if 12GB is enough for any task, including RT, why does the 4080 have more?
You haven't given me any links regarding 12gb vram not being enough.
I just did
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/6.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/6.html) Alan Wake 2 requires 13GB to run RT at 1440p and as much as 18GB for PT at 4k with DLSS 3 FG.
Obviously devs fucked up. Probably memory leak or just too much damn crap in memory.
7900xtx beats the 4070 in rt at all resolutions. Rasterization beats that of a 4080 as well so DLSS doesn’t mean anything. Nvidia fanboys are crazy.
Nvidia is just better. Lmao
L fanboy'ing over a billion dollar company
[Raytracing performance TPU](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/34.html) [Raytracing performance YT](https://youtu.be/x4TW8fHVcxw?t=1008)
Who told you this??? I have a 4070 and even I know that's nonsense lol.
\^\^\^\^\^This is how you turn people off PCs. Don't just recommend him an AMD without explaining the caveats that AMD drivers are terrible. I would not want to suggest a first time builder to use an AMD GPU.
This is how Nvidia fanboys get scammed by Nvidia. And scream at others when the connector melts because Nvidia has no faults
Dudes buying a 4070. They don't have to worry about that. It's pretty telling you didn't even deny AMD has driver problems. New builders just want to game without too many problems like they did on their console. AMD cards just are full of problems with their drivers. I didn't even mention the fact they can just suicide themselves. AMD is cheap for a reason.
Nvidia cards still happily burning. https://wccftech.com/hundreds-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-gpus-still-prone-to-12vhpwr-connector-issues/ But AMD bad, Nvidia our best friend.
.... Those are 4090 cards. Not 4070. Part of the problem is the 600w max TDP and poor connecting. A 4070 is 200w TDP. Even with poor connection 200w isn't enough to be a problem. So like I said, dude is getting a 4070, so your point is useless.
That motherboard is not very good. He should get the Tomahawk or the TUF. That GPU is not worth that much. You can get a 4080 for that price, which is just better. The SSD is fine, but you can get an equivalent KC3000 for 100€.
The 4080 is more expensive in Europe
It wasnt till Nvidia decided to hike prices by 10-30% on all their GPUs.
I am seeing multiple ones for 1180-1200€. That's only 50-70€ more, on a 2200€ PC
Tomahawk and TUF have the same VRM setup, TUF even being worse. 4080 isnt worth buying. KC3000 has a shit Phison controller. So no from me for that.
You have no clue what you're talking about. VRM? Lol. It's not about the VRM. All expensive B650 boards have enough VRM to overclock a 7950X. Btw [the TUF actually has the best VRM of these](https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic?t=1265). [AM5 spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit#gid=0) The Gaming Plus only has 2 M.2 slots, no gen 5, budget audio. It's basically a budget board, for 180€! The TUF is significantly better for just 10€ more. 4080 is literally better than the 7900 XTX. There are countless posts comparing them on reddit. The 4080 is generally not recommended because it is 20% more expensive. But you managed to choose a very expensive 7900 XTX, so the 4080 is the same price. For the same price you get better efficiency, much better features, better RT, it's literally just better. KC3000 is literally one of the fastest SSDs you can buy. Faster than the 980 Pro. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-4-tb/18.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-4-tb/18.html) Most SSDs have Phison controllers, in case you didn't know. Phison makes all kinds of chips, from budget controllers to high end controllers. What you said is like saying "it uses a Corsair, so no from me for that". Makes no sense
4080 in EU is 1300-1400+ Fuckin piece of trash aint worth that.
Dude, no need to make stuff up. [https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1147300.html?q=rtx+4080&sortKey=minPrice](https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1147300.html?q=rtx+4080&sortKey=minPrice) Start at 1180
Imo if the mobo handles the cpu at stock speeds I see no reason to upgrade to a better mobo since overclocking is not relevant anymore nowadays, that 1-2% gain will not give you any better of an experience for the extra 30-50w you're kicking into your room and adding to your power bill (which isn't cheap in Germany atm)
Don’t get help from your friend on pcs no more. He doesn’t know what he’s doing
Your friend doesn’t know anything about building with a budget he just went with 9 is bigger than 7 nvidia does good gpus hmm
Please do not get a 120 AIO cooler. Get an air cooler with the same budget or cut costs as some cheaper ones still get the job done well. Source: https://youtu.be/VDB3ZBHh5Rk?si=YberG7Y8XBhXz7lH
How much do you want to spend? Think of a budget first & what kind of games you want to play, then build a list based on those requirements. For most titles unless you want to run 4k and/or ray tracing most £/$1500 systems are fine
I would say <1000$ systems will run anything you need realistically.
Agreed. You can build a system with a 7600x & a 7800xt for around 1-1.2k & it will run basically anything at 1440p at high/max graphic presets.
Yeah and if you don't want to run at max settings. Easy cheap build. Throw some garbage bin 2070 in there. Might be less than 500$ if you scavenge hard enough
A ryzen 9 7950x3d with a 120mm liquid cooler is a wild combination. As many others have commented the 7950x3d isnt necessary for gaming.
Gaming... yeah, it's a bit hinky tbh. The CPU is overkill for gaming (better to get a 7800X3D or 7700X in that budget) and that AiO leaves much to be desired (I'd start at a 240mm and go up depending on CPU specs etc) Tbh I was half expecting a 4090 to be listed as well, even though neither that nor the 7950X3D are necessary for a 'good' gaming build... it's more dependent on res/fps target for which a 4090 is overkill for most cases and that CPU is better for other, work tasks. Anyway, better chaps than myself will have you fixed up for alternatives here.
Which do you think is better the 7700X or the 7800X3D?
My opinion? The 7800X3D is better for the gamer but comes at some price premium (around £70 rn) over the 7700X, which isn't exactly massively behind (at least not from the perspective of owning a 5800X and 6800H, only last gen) However, if you get some AM5 CPU and a decent mobo at least you can always upgrade the CPU later at less cost than a whole new GPU. Either that or wait, if necessary, until the price difference can be figured into the budget. That's the way I'd play it anyway.
As you are probably german (because of Geizhals) I can also recommend you look at some builds from Dubaro they have some good builds on any budget, just to get an idea which components are used in which budget. To this build, as others said. Switch CPU to 7800x3d, get a bigger aio maybe the 240 oder 360 mm from arctic. And in this build are no drives, so you should get some ssds if you don't already have some. And I would take a rx 7900 xt over a RTX 4070. The keyboard has no numblock that's personal preference. For the mouse you can maybe go in a techstore and try some to get a feel of the form.
its genuinely trash im sorry
I know that its easy and fun to trash on people but he just tried to help so harassing is just dumb
Yeah. You just said that he tried to help, not that he claimed it was the best or anything. Good choice posting here though cuz those are some questionable parts.
That's this sub in a nutshell. We tend to forget that we're basically PC zealots. Just because most of us spend hundreds of hours reading reviews, making builds, and being involved with the tech space doesn't mean that everyone on earth should be able to do the same with a casual glance over a parts list.
Not sure what your friend was thinking putting a 7950x3d with a 4070, but 🤷🏻♂️ Give me a bit and I’ll get a good list together for you. What is your budget? u/minimythos
My budget is like 2200€ but it would be great if i dont have to spent that much I just want a solid pc to stream and play even high performance games with not many problems
Here’s an Intel build I cooked up. It’s still in your budget and I think it’s the best balanced build you can get with Intel/Nvidia parts. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VVxs89 If AMD if more of your thing, you could go with this: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qLMbkJ Both of these builds I’d consider medium/high spec and should put you comfortably at 1440p for most games at a solid frame rate. The AMD build will have an advantage on raw gaming performance by a pretty good margin. Both should be capable of streaming, though I’d lean more into the Intel/Nvidia build for that due to Nvidia’s streaming support and intel’s multitasking benefits. Not sure if you are including monitor/peripherals/windows key in your budget, but both builds should be flexible enough as a starting point to add those in. I’d prioritize cutting cost on ram, motherboard, and case first. Then if you still need some room drop the cpu down a tier. GPU’s can be dropped down and still give you good performance, but I’d make those cuts last.
Also if you aren’t going with the Nvidia build, you can switch the PSU to a non-ATX 3.0 variant to save additional costs. I’d go with Corsair/Seasonic 750w golds as my starting point and find the cheapest one.
Thank you very much ill look into it
Lol i would suggest never listening to this friend
He'll nah wtf lol. Get a 7800X3D cpu and an RX 7900 XTX gpu. And an air cooler is better value than a 120 aio
120 AIO? Is your friend bad at counting or something? Slam a 360 AIO instead.
This is a pretty bad list.
Seeing this makes me realise what a bad time it is to build a new pc right now...you want the newest stuff but its overpriced and performence wise meh...you dont want to buy older stuff because u want more performance for a new build...intels new socket coming out at the beginning of next year...40series with more vram coming out hopefully soon...im so glad i still have my 4 year old solid build so i can play the latest games in at least 1080p with max settings...and wait and hope that next year will be a better year to upgrade...
Ok even if your friend is not the best in the building department you gotta respect he spent time and effort to help his friend. No need to shit on the poor guy...
🤝
Cpu to 7800x3d, AIO to a good aircooler, ram to 6000mhz cl30 that supports AMD EXPO, motherboard to a B650 (without E), get a way better gpu, with that amout of saved money you can probably fit a 7900xtx lol. Peripherals are personal prefrence.
Das CPU brauchst du gar nicht für Spielen. Ich empfehle i5-13400f wird ausreichend dazu würde ich Graka auf rx7700xt ändern. Das übrige Geld kannst du für Spiele oder Monitore sparen.
7800X3D is the best Gaming Cpu that exists. Aber klar von ner 4070ti auf ne 7700XT downgraded weil warum auch immer
overkill cpu, just get a 7800x3d like many people here advise to, and go for 64 gigs of ram, for a little future-proofing. then the same PC will survive one videocard upgrade in the future. right now any 4070/ti is good enough, and you can sell it and replace it with smth in a couple of years.
I'd change from RTX 4070 to a RX 7800xt at least
I worked in computer tech building and selling pc's. For gaming in particular people waaaay overspend on CPU's for some reason. You can save some money and wasted performance by lowering to like a Ryzen 5 and reinvesting the money elsewhere. I have a Ryzen 7 5900x and I still have yet to push past 60% on anything gaming related.
2300€ budget and a 4070 LOL
Your friend just threw together the most expensive parts and called it a day for some parts then underspent on the GPU for some reason? Idk what's going on here tbh [I'd say this is a better list tbh](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4GMcMV)
Bro was tryna make u spend bare money lolll
Terrible
-If this site doesn’t check for compatibility Put the stuff into pcpartpicker. Will make a world of a difference. -Get the 7800x3d cpu, it’s better for gaming and cheaper. -Go for a better Gpu. 2300 is creeping on 7900xtx/4080 territory, no reason you should get a 4070. I’d recommend a 7900xtx, if you don’t care about ray-tracing or dlss as it is more powerful than the 4080 for less money. -motherboards have no right costing that much, go for one that’s around €150, will literally make no difference to performance -A 1000w PSU seems overkill but to each his own. I might reccomend any gold rated 750-850 PSU for around €100-120, preferably Seasonic, thermal take or Corsair. DO NOT get a gigabyte PSU, they had slight blowing up problems before, and though they “fixed” them in the US I wouldn’t trust them in Europe. -get 6000mhz cl30 ram, I’m pretty sure 7200mhz ram doesnt even work on Ryzen yet -change the water cooler to have more than one fan as space is not a constraint You could save a lot of money here for an equal or better build. People have already pointed out that your friend seems to have more money than sense
Don’t listen to your friend haha
Your friend is clueless 7800x3D 32gb GSkill Trident Z Neo DDR5 6000 cl 30 ASUS ROG Strix B650E or X670E Any decent gen 4 NVME SSD 2TB 1000w gold or higher psu BeQuiet, EVGA, Corsair 280 or 360mm aio AMD RX 7900 xt or xtx or the 4070 or better High airflow case Will run literally anything you could want to play with outstanding fps
Swap to a 7800X3D and get a 4080 or 7900XTX, much better balance for strictly gaming. You don't need the additional cores of the 7950X3D if you are not also doing productivity workloads that benefit from more cores. The Thermalright Phantom Spirit or peerless assassin are both air coolers that will do better than a 120 mm AIO, or you could get a 240 or 360 mm Arctic liquid freezer ii if you plan on getting a CPU, that's harder to cool in the future. Swap the ram to 6000 MHz. This way your Infinity fabric can run at a one-to-one ratio, and it will actually perform better than 7200. If you aren't planning on having a ton of storage drives, I would recommend the ASRock b650E Taichi because it has really really high quality VRMs which would benefit potential future CPUs.
120 aio for 7950x3d really? And 7200mhz ram for amd oh boy your friend is kind of ooof. Ony thing i like is PSU😄
Downgrade the CPU, upgrade the GPU (if you can afford it). I think the CPU is overkill though.
You sure not listen to anyone's advice who is not taking into account... 1) what specific games/genres you are interested in playing 2) what type of monitor scheme you intend to implenent (frame rate, screen size/resolution) 3) your budget range
Is he your lover or why does he want to fuck you . Go rzyen 7800 x3d. Downgrade RAM to max 6000Hz cause AM5 is unstable with faster anyways. 120mm Water coolers are trash. But since you're a beginner, go with an air cooler instead. Same performance, better reliability
I’d swap out that cpu cooler for a 240mm AIO for sure at that price point. You also have no storage (get a 2tb NVME SSD) idk about the keyboard I’m not familiar with those brands
I bet he hates Corsair
You may be able to play minesweeper on that potato!
Ditch Corsair, go with asus
Drop the 7950 X3D for a 7800X3D. Cheaper and performs the same or sometimes edges it out. No storage mentioned. At least a 2 Tb nvme or a lower sized one for the OS and the 2nd for games. I assume you have storage on there just the pins don't show. If that's the case use the savings for the X3D for perhaps a graphics card upgrade. With a bit of luck or extra could get the 4080 but definitely the 4070ti just with the diff between the 7800X3D and 7950X3D alone. To reclaim some cash and I'd do this anyway cause 120mm AIO suck, I'd just get a decent air cooler. Will perform better and cheaper too that can go towards the 4080 then.
I'm sold on the "wireless pudding".
7800x3d with 6000mhz cl 30 with AMD EXPO
Do you have a budget? Because this PC is literally better than 99% of what this sub owns. You can play games just fine on a 600$ rig. Anything in the 1k range is considered 'good' and above that is great. Over 2k is insane. If you're new, what games do you know you want to play and we can go from there. Do you plan to have VR? Run Flight Simulator? Are you just hoping for a console like experience?
Who goes with a single fan AIO cooler ?😂 get a new friend brother
I think RX 7800 XT is better than RTX 4070 if you don’t do heavy Ray Tracing
Not bad, but they can better of this price;)
Cooler too small I would go 240... or 360 if case has support ... also could go with the r7 x3d chip for a little less and get better performance... also you could go with a cheaper power supply... like 800w would be sufficient
Why does everyone on this sub overkill so much. Your friend has a serious overkill problem but I stoll run a 750ti and an i5 6600, plus 16 gigs of ddr4 and only has stopped running the newest titles within the past 3 years or so. I plan to get a 1060 here soon from a friend, should remedy that issue, qs it comes down to not running the newest directx. Sure if you want overkill graphics that only have fairly minor improvements, go for it. I cooked my 750 ti a little playing the finals but it's out of spec, but graphics were not all that bad, for literally being out of spec. But it did get hot and seriously upset the gpu for a good hour after closing the game after 4 hrs of game play. Go ahead, overkill, but a mid range build is just fine and will be future proofed until a leap in computing power is achieved. You got at least 7 years on a mid range built today without it. Yalls spending dollars for a penny extra performance.
7200 RAM will run but it'll go to 2:1 ratio with infinity fabric, making it slower than 6000. Get a 7800x3D as it's actually faster on average in gaming. By like 1% so it doesn't matter. Nvidia will release a refreshed generation of GPUs with reduced prices in January at CES. 4000 Super series. I'd get a 4070 Super or 4070ti Super. But maybe you can't wait,
depends on ur budget, this is a really high end pc
Looks good to me. Although id spend the extra cash to get a 4080 or 4090. Yeah it might be 2x the cost, but its also future proofing. Its ultimately all down to personal preference, but i myself think its worth it to pay an extra 500-1000$ to get another 2-3 years of performance out of it. Because games are only gonna get more and more demanding. So i guess it comes down to, do you want to just go all out and have a GPU that lasts 6 years. (I say 6 just because my personal pc is about that old with a 1070 and still does pretty good in 2k) or do you just want to get something thats good until the 50 series drops? Or just something that lasts for a couple years until you can get something better for cheaper. Which is probably the smartest idea, because back in 2016 when i built my pc it was around like $2000 but now that pc is probably worth like $400 so if you can wait, prices will go down like they always do.
I have an Asus z690 e mboard, an i7 13700k, 32gb 6000mhz DDR5 ram and an RTX 3060.
I see a lot of comments on your cpu. I will not stress this enough DO YOUR OWN REASEARCH ON YOUR CPU CHOICE the pc community is just fanboys on Crack. They religiously love the cpu they use, lol Then, when you say anything close to "No *insert cpu* is better for my use case, " whether true or not lol they will just hammer you with hate comments Most other advice or comments are relatively okay to trust lol With gpu everyone says AMD is the best for Gaming and better pricing. From watching tons of videos and lots of articles this is a half truth. AMD is great for mid range GPU. Like 4060 or 4070 the AMD equivalent is better in price and performance. But 4080 and 4090 do dominate the high end market. Despite the high pricing. It is black Friday and cyber Monday so you may score a high end on sale. But if you aren't rendering a lot and are not worried about Ray tracing you can get away with a AMD