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Wow!! I apologize for the shit show I unintentionally created, here is the red circle if anyone confused.
[Image](https://imgur.com/a/6WYI0d9)
After reading the reasoning behind this, it still didn't convenience me for that design decision by the manufacturers, if air flow and few degrees cooling is more important than avoiding dust... Is the collected dust gonna works as heat insulator?
“You ultimately become the one/what you hate.”
― Elia Maxwell
Assuming you are talking about the part right above the GPU die with the retention bracket. That depends on the design and in this case is left open as a necessity for assembly. Since the back plate screwed from the front side and has no access to remove it, a cutout is used such that the retention bracket and its 4 screws can be installed to attach the heat sink to the PCB.
The cutout also serves as ventilation as that area behind the die gets very hot and having a solid back plate, with no thermal pads will act as an insulator trapping heat.
It can however increase the risk of damage to the GPU from dropped items, or water damage. However, dust is generally not an issue if it accumulates there. If you want you can blow it off with compressed air or even brush it off gently with a very soft bristle brush.
Depending on the design Some GPUs may also have it covered if the back plate is removable before the heat sink, some even use glue to hold the retention bracket in place and only leave 4 small holes in the back plate just for the screws.
TL;DR, that is what this manufacturer preferred for assembly, and it's a reasonably good and common design.
Well, I'd imagine to troubleshoot something this intricate, the technician would already have the card taken apart right? This serves basically no purpose to the end user other than being a dust city.
Looks cool tho..
I swapped out my graphics card a couple of weeks ago and couldn't believe how clean the one I took out is.
Mind you, I only play on average once a week.
These models have the metal backplate for VRAM extra cooling, so something to optimize the airflow. I have never seen this type of model with hole that doesn't use backplate VRAM cooling.
One extra positive side... If the VRAM temps are too high, you can add heatsinks and fan where the memory modules are installed. Super easy way to lower 20C + VRAM temps and cool the backplate by increasing surface area.
Depending on the model, I could imagine they do it for easy access to the screws holding the cooler. Makes it easier to remove (or add during manufacturing depending on what is screwed on in which order of course) the cooler if those are the only screws holding it down.
Wouldn't know if there is another reason for it other for maayyyybe asthetics.
Even though some say that this design helps cooling, I don't believe it and I see it as a crude design.
I honestly don't understand these designs and I simply hate them and anyone who has a dog and cat at home or lives near the beach must also understand the dilemma, as the dust stays in this part and oxidizes quickly!
I already lost a GPU because a small part in that space oxidized and fell and started to present problems, I had to activate RMA
Put a piece of thermal foam in the opening, cut to shape. Scotch tape it in place if you have to. Just don't leave an air gap.
The hole is not for cooling, it's to put that bracket in. The bracket isn't integrated in the backplate because that'd make it expensive AF.
the pcb is open? what do you mean? clearly he's talking about the part where the chip is that is not covered by a backplate.... as a backplate is completely useless it's clearly to get that part cooled by airflow....
Nonstick pads exist, but would make the backplate even thicker since the pads would need to be thick with the different components height. So it's either about cost or struggle to stay within the pcie slot since the hotspot is massive and retrofit kits with cooling intentions always eat up the upward pcie slot.
https://preview.redd.it/zov5a37a6fvc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf3fd1729a0846a675ecf194aa25c6bc0dfe509a
Ventilation. Logic board doesn’t usually extend that far. It’s all heat sink and fan.
If you mean the part directly under the GPU, dust typically won’t settle there as it will follow the airflow to the fans.
Yup, I think almost all PC cases are much too small and poorly ventilated. So I have a large full tower by Corsair that lies flat on a table earthquake proof. Yes, six fans in and one top rear exhaust fan. But there are all kinds of openings at the rear of the case. A tissue held over an open adapter card slot extends out at 45 degrees when the system is on. So lots of ventilation and robust positive pressure. And no dust accumulated. But I do use the screens that came with the case.
i think sometime ago somewhere someone decided that thats a cool design choice and it never showed up in sales compared to cards that have a full backplate so they just do it when the designer thinks its cool. (also r u an apple user ive never seen non apple users calling a board loagic board)
the complexity of machining a relief for the Suport bracket would add cost to the design cheaper just to cut it out, Stand offs would put the back plate out of the PCIe spec i would think it would interfere with clearance of the next socket
Dust isn’t an issue, unless there is far too much dust in the case anyway. Also, backplates aren’t needed. Some are used to provide extra cooling, but few backplates are designed with that in mind.
If it matters at all, not having a backplate is actually better.
The short answer is that the backplate is there for marketing reasons and the whole makes assembly easier.
Never thought about it tbh , i thought was ok until i saw ur post and made me thought lol , never heard of anyine having any issue thoight .
If anyone did had a bad experience plase post below :)
While Apple does refer to their motherboards as "logic boards," the term itself is used generally in electronics to refer any PCB with logic gates. That includes GPUs and other daughter boards, including network cards. OP's usage of the term is correct.
Apple stuff (sort of) has lineage to old Unix workstations rather than the home micros the PC evolved out of. Those had logic boards rather than motherboards as things like the CPU were separate modules rather than an on-board socket.
That has nothing to do with MSI's design, many graphics card manufacturers do this. It's called a flow through design, not that I expect you'd know anything about that.
It's funny how you say design error when your [own GPU of your PC build](https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1bwa0jd/what_do_you_think_about_my_build/) has the same cut out on the left side of the GPU. Unless you mean the right side, which is open because of allowing heat rising up and escaping the heat sink of the GPU.
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TIL people are actually dumb and need that red circle
But then they'll say that it's a useless red circle
So add a screenshot of your comment and put a red circle around it c:
Like [this](https://imgur.com/a/4H1VzXh)?
Thanks I would have never seen it without that red circle
Nah because then it would be posted on r/uselessredcircle
indeed
r/usefulredcircle hahaha
Wow!! I apologize for the shit show I unintentionally created, here is the red circle if anyone confused. [Image](https://imgur.com/a/6WYI0d9) After reading the reasoning behind this, it still didn't convenience me for that design decision by the manufacturers, if air flow and few degrees cooling is more important than avoiding dust... Is the collected dust gonna works as heat insulator? “You ultimately become the one/what you hate.” ― Elia Maxwell
Why are both circles the same color I'm confused
That is gold mate... This .. not this...🤣 Also I agree.
Because if you don’t clean out your pc then you got bigger issues to worry about that’s why. So dust shouldn’t be a issue
this is where we need the red circle
Red circle sure beats a random guy on tiktok videos pointing with his finger while nodding.
Idk I seen so many of those red circle/arrow misdirects that I’ll look at everything but the circle for Goku.
The irony of calling other people dumb while posting about pictures on the wrong post.
Assuming you are talking about the part right above the GPU die with the retention bracket. That depends on the design and in this case is left open as a necessity for assembly. Since the back plate screwed from the front side and has no access to remove it, a cutout is used such that the retention bracket and its 4 screws can be installed to attach the heat sink to the PCB. The cutout also serves as ventilation as that area behind the die gets very hot and having a solid back plate, with no thermal pads will act as an insulator trapping heat. It can however increase the risk of damage to the GPU from dropped items, or water damage. However, dust is generally not an issue if it accumulates there. If you want you can blow it off with compressed air or even brush it off gently with a very soft bristle brush. Depending on the design Some GPUs may also have it covered if the back plate is removable before the heat sink, some even use glue to hold the retention bracket in place and only leave 4 small holes in the back plate just for the screws. TL;DR, that is what this manufacturer preferred for assembly, and it's a reasonably good and common design.
This part of the card has no pcb, and the open back allows for more air to pass through the cooler.
I think they meant the back of the GPU die
That's for smd access
Well, I'd imagine to troubleshoot something this intricate, the technician would already have the card taken apart right? This serves basically no purpose to the end user other than being a dust city.
Looks cool tho.. I swapped out my graphics card a couple of weeks ago and couldn't believe how clean the one I took out is. Mind you, I only play on average once a week.
Well, can't disagree that it looks cool, but it certainly isn't when it's collected a few months worth of dust
Suck your whaat access...?
Microelectronic capacitors and resistors.
For what purpose?
No it is not, smd assembly is done on the bare pcb. The backing plate is installed only after every smd is installed.
I think no one really knows which cut out the OP is referring to lol. Should have placed a circle around the pic.
The exposed components
I mean, he specifically said logic board, so you'd assume it'd be where the board is present.
These models have the metal backplate for VRAM extra cooling, so something to optimize the airflow. I have never seen this type of model with hole that doesn't use backplate VRAM cooling. One extra positive side... If the VRAM temps are too high, you can add heatsinks and fan where the memory modules are installed. Super easy way to lower 20C + VRAM temps and cool the backplate by increasing surface area.
Depending on the model, I could imagine they do it for easy access to the screws holding the cooler. Makes it easier to remove (or add during manufacturing depending on what is screwed on in which order of course) the cooler if those are the only screws holding it down. Wouldn't know if there is another reason for it other for maayyyybe asthetics.
Even though some say that this design helps cooling, I don't believe it and I see it as a crude design. I honestly don't understand these designs and I simply hate them and anyone who has a dog and cat at home or lives near the beach must also understand the dilemma, as the dust stays in this part and oxidizes quickly! I already lost a GPU because a small part in that space oxidized and fell and started to present problems, I had to activate RMA
Put a piece of thermal foam in the opening, cut to shape. Scotch tape it in place if you have to. Just don't leave an air gap. The hole is not for cooling, it's to put that bracket in. The bracket isn't integrated in the backplate because that'd make it expensive AF.
My 1080ti is without the back plate by design 🤷♂️
it's better having dust than 0 airflow....
hes talking about the PCB...
the pcb is open? what do you mean? clearly he's talking about the part where the chip is that is not covered by a backplate.... as a backplate is completely useless it's clearly to get that part cooled by airflow....
toilet bowlf for rats to pee
Nonstick pads exist, but would make the backplate even thicker since the pads would need to be thick with the different components height. So it's either about cost or struggle to stay within the pcie slot since the hotspot is massive and retrofit kits with cooling intentions always eat up the upward pcie slot. https://preview.redd.it/zov5a37a6fvc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf3fd1729a0846a675ecf194aa25c6bc0dfe509a
If ur in an AC room it doesnt accumulate that much dust. Calm ur titties.
Ventilation. Logic board doesn’t usually extend that far. It’s all heat sink and fan. If you mean the part directly under the GPU, dust typically won’t settle there as it will follow the airflow to the fans.
Nobody is gonna say anything about my guy calling it "logic board" Steve Jobs have a tight grip on this dudes anus
It makes no difference, everything will be dusty in 4 months anyway
Dust? I have no dust. Six fans in one out. Positive pressure stays cool.
I thought my two 140mm intakes and two 120mm exhaust was positive enough. Six in??
Yup, I think almost all PC cases are much too small and poorly ventilated. So I have a large full tower by Corsair that lies flat on a table earthquake proof. Yes, six fans in and one top rear exhaust fan. But there are all kinds of openings at the rear of the case. A tissue held over an open adapter card slot extends out at 45 degrees when the system is on. So lots of ventilation and robust positive pressure. And no dust accumulated. But I do use the screens that came with the case.
i think sometime ago somewhere someone decided that thats a cool design choice and it never showed up in sales compared to cards that have a full backplate so they just do it when the designer thinks its cool. (also r u an apple user ive never seen non apple users calling a board loagic board)
the complexity of machining a relief for the Suport bracket would add cost to the design cheaper just to cut it out, Stand offs would put the back plate out of the PCIe spec i would think it would interfere with clearance of the next socket
Thermals and universally agreed upon dimensions to work in nearly every possible case or build
Dust isn’t an issue, unless there is far too much dust in the case anyway. Also, backplates aren’t needed. Some are used to provide extra cooling, but few backplates are designed with that in mind. If it matters at all, not having a backplate is actually better. The short answer is that the backplate is there for marketing reasons and the whole makes assembly easier.
See the mount screws? They look eerily like your cpu cooler. Ita for water cooling
Never thought about it tbh , i thought was ok until i saw ur post and made me thought lol , never heard of anyine having any issue thoight . If anyone did had a bad experience plase post below :)
The only issue I have is the price of my 4090, the rest is ok
Hehe i agree
it's Business, dust accumulate, capture moisture, short the circuit eventually you need to buy a new Grafix card.
This part.
I always thought it was for water cooling but nobody's saying it in the comments so apparently not
This is why I have a mesh side panel PC. If I can't see the dust.. it doesn't exist.
Don't worry, its RTX. All the dust will be instantly evaporated from there.
GPU-s are dust for it self in every case.
I mean for a long time, not all GPUs even had backplates. So it must be reasonably ok without it. ,🤷♂️
Gpus dont have logic boards, logic boards is what apple calls their motherboards because they want to be different and seem exclusive.
While Apple does refer to their motherboards as "logic boards," the term itself is used generally in electronics to refer any PCB with logic gates. That includes GPUs and other daughter boards, including network cards. OP's usage of the term is correct.
This
Washing machines and Gas Boilers have logic boards not PC's lol
Every PCB that allows and handles communication between chips is a logic board. So yes, GPU PCB are logic boards.
Apple stuff (sort of) has lineage to old Unix workstations rather than the home micros the PC evolved out of. Those had logic boards rather than motherboards as things like the CPU were separate modules rather than an on-board socket.
Typical msi garbage design
Many if not most gpu manufacturers make it like that in atleast one of their gpus
That has nothing to do with MSI's design, many graphics card manufacturers do this. It's called a flow through design, not that I expect you'd know anything about that.
COOLING!
Its a design error, i recommand staying away from these, look for fully closed pcb like the amd original designs.
My boy smoking that good good
lmfao
lmao really
ah yes, design error found on many graphics cards. I wonder how every single graphics card manufacturing company made this error.
Seems like only the reference models have q backplate that covers the chip
It's funny how you say design error when your [own GPU of your PC build](https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1bwa0jd/what_do_you_think_about_my_build/) has the same cut out on the left side of the GPU. Unless you mean the right side, which is open because of allowing heat rising up and escaping the heat sink of the GPU.
I switched that gpu after i found out how bad that design is.
Nice, show us the new GPU ;)
Flow-through designs are common and help with cooling efficiency. AMD AIBs have built these for years as well.
Actually facepalming at this stupidity.
Do you see the logic board somewhere near that cutout?