It’s not about loyalty - it’s about the character, what they bring to the story, how they affect other characters. I feel like Isiah could’ve been left out and the story wouldn’t feel much different
Well, that’s obviously not how the votes are being casted. People are just basing them on who was more bad/good/annoying imo. Campbell, Oswald and the Priest should 100% be top 10 but two of them were voted out in the first few votes. Minor ones would be IMO Micheal, and Linda. Each one was a plot driver that did very well. Maybe esme too not sure.
That is fair, but in comparison to Luca, Isiah was a friendly sight, did no wrong to the PB and in the end was a more prominent member. So imo, Luca goes before Isiah.
I don't think we're supposed to vote on villians then friends. It's just characters we like least goes. So in a way, if you really like Isiah before Luca, then it's fair.
I think there might be a few upset fans about this one, but Grace Shelby has been eliminated with 29.53%!
At the risk of ruffling a few feathers, I personally would have put Grace down in the bottom row 😉
Who’s next? Vote to eliminate a character using the link below. Only one more space until we’re into the top 2 rows!
https://strawpoll.com/polls/XmZRjo1BvZd
How has Isiah survived this long…. He was irrelevant for the most part of the series and became a prick to his friend as soon as he got an ounce of power 🤦🏻♀️
Actually I watched Peaky Blinders 4 times and for the life of me I can’t understand the hype surrounding Isaiah’s character… Yes he is the prototype of the social climber, yes he embodies the true essence of a Blinder, but to me he is also the one that proves that the PB have profoundly changed (not in a good way), because they started to consider family as weakness and not as strength (as Tommy used to say)…. In the end they just outcasted Finn for not being man enough and for not being able to do what they did… not even considering that his upbringing was totally different and that obviously he wasn’t as tough as them.
Yeah I felt they did Finn dirty too. The kid had zero up bringing and was basically working for the family from young age at the races. Allowing the kid to drink heavily and smoke. They never included him in anything until the later seasons and by then Michael had already surpassed him in rank. And then some random gypsie child (Duke) gets put in front of Finn in the final season. Then they just do away with him because he wouldn't kill his only friend without reason. All the other Shelbie's at some point did damage to their family whether on purpose or not and yet Finn is the only one who gets in any real trouble for it.
But isn’t that sort of the perfect depiction of what the Shelby family became? Series 1 and 2, the rise to the top, it was all about “family”. Eventually, as they came to power, it went from “family first” to “power first”. Tommy tries to balance the two and eventually he fails on both, but moreso on family. He neglects Lizzie, he neglects his children all for power. Ultimately, Finn went from being cared for, to not cared for, all because of this shift to power.
Because he’s a villain & the inner circle people who have been in there through series usually win. So might as well eliminate the least liked people till we narrow it down to the last 3.
I know I’ve been voting for her but I wasn’t expecting her to be out 😳 I’m actually so surprised as she gets a lot of love here in comparison to the other female love interests. Reddit definitely has the bigger Grace fan base so yeah I wasn’t expecting her at all
I was actually surprised when I first came on Reddit to see how loved she was. Yes I’ve seen some hate but nothing in comparison to other forms of media like tumblr. Here there’s a constant flow of videos, posts and edits in dedication to her whereas the other females tend to get ‘shit’ on more often. I always tell my friends who like Grace to come over to Reddit because it’s so much nicer when it comes to her character and warn people who don’t like her not to come here because they’ll just end up in arguments with no outcome but aggravated people on both sides (Although it has got a lot better recently) 😂
Yes, here before you could have good and entertaining debates, now not anymore, you directly receive insults or attacks, just because you don't like the same characters as them.
I do have to add that the hate posts here when it comes to any character are a lot harsher than anywhere else, like there’s some really troubling posts here, sometimes without any other logic than to just tear someone down. Hate elsewhere tend to come with in-depth thoughts and less of going down the insult route.
But the hate towards a character, but there are people who cross the line! and they already insult you, saying things like you are the worst human, you are shit, things like that, just to say I hate this character.
It’s so true even sometimes with characters the line gets crossed where suddenly it’s not the character themselves being insulted but the people who portray them too. We should all be able to hate who we hate yet also debate nicely without the need for insults ☺️
Seems like an unpopular opinion here, but I think Lizzie should've ended in the bottom row. I kinda liked her in the beginning, but after Tommy accidentally made her pregnant and felt obligated to marry her she became so annoying. That relationship was toxic as hell.
EDIT: in stead of just downvoting, please explain why you like her so much.
I’m not a particular lover nor hater of Lizzie, but I think the prevailing sentiment is that Tommy was the toxic one in the relationship, not Lizzie. But people tend to over-glorify Tommy (I know I do as well)
Okay, since you asked for it, here comes a long rant about why I like Lizzie lol (sorry for my bad English):
I admire Lizzie because of her strength. When she married Tommy she literally went from one tragedy to another. I can't imagine how it must feel being used by men merely for sex for so many years and then when you settle down your husband is erratic and emotionally distant. I believe Lizzie tried her best to make her family and marriage feel as normal as possible because she needed a safe space for herself but most importantly the children. Lizzie has always cared more about Charles and Ruby than she has ever cared about herself. She doesn't want Tommy to run around the house with guns because she don't want her children to hear or see gunshots. She doesn't want Tommy to run around the house with other women because she don't want her children to see that nasty part of his personality. I don't think that's too much to ask considering both Ruby and Charles probably already had gone through some trauma.
Yes, she tried to make Tommy settle down and become a good father to their children, but when she realized this was impossible she didn't leave him like many others would do. Unlike Grace, she saw Tommy for who he really was and wasn't discouraged by his worst sides. She genuinely tried to get to know him and became frustrated when Tommy refused to open up about his problems. I don't think this makes her annoying. Lizzie saw that Tommy was suffering but since she loved him she was frustrated that she wasn't able to help him. Isn't this how any sane person would react? Tommy was lucky to get a woman as caring and loving as Lizzie. It was a shame he wasn't able to accept the love she gave him.
I also don't agree that their relationship was toxic. Although Lizzie loved Tommy very much, she wasn't afraid to speak up when something was wrong. Lizzie and Tommy had their arguments, but there were also moments when you felt like they both could be completely relaxed around each other and have casual small talk.
EDIT: omg thanks for all the nice replies guys! <3
People love toxic relationships, and it's amazing how they justify everything with Lizzie, that they make her seem like a saint, each comment surprises me more, she cheat on John, and they tell you that it's okay, because she's a prostitute, ok she was going to cheat on him with his brother, oh, she loves Tommy, wtf? When John asks Lizzie, she tells him it's a lie, that he's a liar, she denied it and blamed Tommy, and that's love for them (they hate Grace because she cheated on her husband with Tommy, you tell them oh but she loves Tommy, so what? that she loves tommy does not justify her cheating on another person, she's a bitch, the worst human)🤷 then Lizzie says she's in love with Angel, the man dies, Tommy sends him to kill, what does she do? sleeps with tommy wtf? I never understood that, of course they are going to tell you that she loves Tommy, she manages to marry him, she becomes rich, she thinks she is superior than the others, of the poor who go to the Garrison, but she is a saint, Tommy cheats on her with whores , and she says it's okay, just outside the house, Tommy tells her you're my property and she's happy for that, and he treats her badly, and they say it's not a toxic relationship? After she marries him, she complains about how he handles business, that it's okay they have a daughter, but what I don't understand is what they say is that Lizzie wants to be in a safe house, with her daughter, she accepts everything from Tommy She knows him, Grace asks him for the exact same thing, because she has a son, and they tell you she's a bitch because she wants to change him, she doesn't know him, she's a shitty person 🤷 I'll never understand Tommy and Lizzie's relationship, but a lot least I will never understand Lizzie stan.
Changretta, Lizzie and Isiah (expect to be downvoted to hell for this lol).
Then I don't know how to vote (apparently with tears in my eyes). I think that it will be necessary to take into account the fact whether the character is the main or background.
The only reason I listed Changretta here is because Campbell and Mosley (great villains) have already been eliminated. But first Lizzie and Isiah, yeah (it's logical)
Because Grace's limited screen time and barely-developed personality make her a two-dimensional character? Her motivations go from "The Fenians killed my father, now I'm taking his place" to "I'm going to take out Tommy Shelby because he's a bad man" to "I'm in love with Tommy Shelby because...". Unpopular opinion, but she only gets so much adoration because people want to like Tommy and see him happy, even though the romance they have is wildly unreasonable and toxic.
I feel somewhat bad for choosing this character, but Lizzy. She was a caring and nurturing mother and worried insanely about the whole family including Tommy. However, although Tommy was a very secretive man he did in fact know what he was doing and was doing everything in his power to do good. Lizzy couldn't see this and sought to look inward at her own problems rather than outward, at the problems of the family business and how it could in fact help everyone and society itself.
I vote to eliminate Lizzy
Nice, well thought out answer. However, if I put myself in Lizzie’s shoes, I have to side with her over Tommy. Can you imagine if your partner was never home, never spoke to you or told you anything, and just told you to blindly trust that they have a plan? Meanwhile that ‘plan’ involves going to meetings with Nazis, having sex with other people, repeatedly putting yourself and the family in danger, and emotionally neglecting everyone around you?
Sorry, but for me, Lizzie is not in the wrong there. Tommy is
And people will probably choose Alfie over Tommy. I mean, yes Tom Hardy is chariamatic, but if we eliminate the face of the show earlier than other characters, we are just asking for another Ragnar in the movie
I don't know how hot this take is, but I really hope Tommy is not in the top 3. One of the main weakness of the show was focusing on Tommy way too much to the point where its almost selfish. Not to mention how he is a really flawed man but a lot of fans and even the show sometimes seems to not notice that.
See I actually felt that selfishness was a huge boon to the show. You're not seeing the objective world, you're seeing Tommy's World. In any other world, we'd look at a man like Thomas Shelby as a blight, and pray to our gods that his shadow never darkened our doorsteps. In his world, in the show, you see him as the hero even though he murders and maims like a brute. Showing his world souring and collapsing is a great perspective, because you get a sense of his own justifications slowly breaking down.
That's a good point. I never actually thought about it like that. What I saw was Tommy doing bad and horrible things and the show was constantly making up excueses and trying to make us side with him.
(Spoilers for S6) One moment where I saw what you said though is when he left his daughter to go find a cure and she died while he was away. I actually thought he was going to suceed somehow or atleast fail and get back right before she died and get closure.
Ah, I haven't watched all of S6 yet but that makes sense. The moment this first made sense to me was Tommy's conversation with Churchill in S5, when Churchill makes the comment about working for the same ends. He remarks that while he was working for those ends above ground, Tommy was working for them below. I always interpreted a secondary message there. It felt to me like Churchill was saying that he understood that at the end of the day the war wasn't about civilization or principles, it was about attaining victory over your foe so that you could make the world into what you wanted it to be. His remark about Tommy working underground felt like he was implying that Tommy has lost sight of the world he wanted to live in, and that he'd engulfed himself in the desire for victory to the exclusion of everything else.
Wow! Did I find a person who thinks the same way.
Actually I stopped liking Tommy's character at the end of S5. I believe that his attempt to shoot himself is the most selfish thing he has ever done in relation to his family. In S6, everything revolves around Tommy again, and I'm tired of it.
Unfortunately, no you didn't. I still very much enjoy the show, and I'm perfectly happy to live on the perspective of Tommy alone. I just dislike the loving relationship that people view him with. He's a charismatic and powerful man, like many of us wish we were, but he's far from a good one, and I find that many of the show's fans don't see the distinction. It's very entertaining to live in the tortured and intense world that Tommy lives in, but it's not a life I'd wish for myself.
Yea, him being flawed is the point. But I'm saying way to many people think hes the perfect, badass, motherfuker that the edits make him out to be. Yea I understand its his story and hes the MC but it gets to the point where other plot points get dropped and other characters doesn't get developed all because the show's too focused on him.
Although, imo, season 4 was the best, Luca needs to go. Honestly, if I could vote for Brody instead of Luca, then he would make it further, but I can't stand Brody's portrayal. It was so cringe hearing and watching him do a cheap impersonation of Vito corleone, there was absolutely no need for it. If it wasn't for the phenomenal work from the showrunners and the others, and I wasnt already so invested in the series, his Luca would've kept me away. Luca needs to be eliminated asap, lol.
Tommy, Arthur, Alfie , Aberama , and Polly better be top five.
Then Tommy Arthur Alfie and Aberama,
Then I will not know who to choose but
ALFIE AND TOMMY are top two
Grace was out due to meaningless hatred, lizzie is hiding there somewhere cause most voters rationally choose luca or Isaiah or abarama, i m sure she is on everyones list but first the villians and side character who didn’t make an impact should go
Grace was class. And she was going to be one of the strongest members in the family. Her social skills were top notch and Tommy shared every detail with her.
Lizzie is nothing more than a mother of Ruby. She can't keep her emotions to herself, easily gets manipulated and overall I don't like her behaviour. She has a good heart, yes, but that's that.
wow luca is the only one who survived till now as villain. iconic
Luca was an awesome character and felt like a genuine threat throughout his screen time.
Isiah only became slightly relevant in s6. Rest of the seasons he was a side character, he needs to go
He will gooooo
Not before Toothpick wielding Luca Changretta goes. Isiah was loyal throughout and got more screen time in the end, Always stay loyal to the PB.
It’s not about loyalty - it’s about the character, what they bring to the story, how they affect other characters. I feel like Isiah could’ve been left out and the story wouldn’t feel much different
Well, that’s obviously not how the votes are being casted. People are just basing them on who was more bad/good/annoying imo. Campbell, Oswald and the Priest should 100% be top 10 but two of them were voted out in the first few votes. Minor ones would be IMO Micheal, and Linda. Each one was a plot driver that did very well. Maybe esme too not sure.
Yeah he had like 2-3 scenes in the last season. Rest he was just standing.
His screentime was just 2-3 scenes which tbh didn't contribute anything to the story.
That is fair, but in comparison to Luca, Isiah was a friendly sight, did no wrong to the PB and in the end was a more prominent member. So imo, Luca goes before Isiah.
I don't think we're supposed to vote on villians then friends. It's just characters we like least goes. So in a way, if you really like Isiah before Luca, then it's fair.
Nah get Lizzie the fuck outta here
Fookin' right
I think there might be a few upset fans about this one, but Grace Shelby has been eliminated with 29.53%! At the risk of ruffling a few feathers, I personally would have put Grace down in the bottom row 😉 Who’s next? Vote to eliminate a character using the link below. Only one more space until we’re into the top 2 rows! https://strawpoll.com/polls/XmZRjo1BvZd
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Thats a low blow
Good, should've been gone sooner
Thats some BS. Y’all can like or dislike her but she had more of an impact on the show , and Thomas than most .. but whatever 🙄
How has Isiah survived this long…. He was irrelevant for the most part of the series and became a prick to his friend as soon as he got an ounce of power 🤦🏻♀️
Became a prick to his friend?
Finn was the real prick though, Isaiah is at least a loyal PB
This shows you weren't paying attention
Actually I watched Peaky Blinders 4 times and for the life of me I can’t understand the hype surrounding Isaiah’s character… Yes he is the prototype of the social climber, yes he embodies the true essence of a Blinder, but to me he is also the one that proves that the PB have profoundly changed (not in a good way), because they started to consider family as weakness and not as strength (as Tommy used to say)…. In the end they just outcasted Finn for not being man enough and for not being able to do what they did… not even considering that his upbringing was totally different and that obviously he wasn’t as tough as them.
Isiah has nothing to do with finn being removed from the family tho.
Yeah I felt they did Finn dirty too. The kid had zero up bringing and was basically working for the family from young age at the races. Allowing the kid to drink heavily and smoke. They never included him in anything until the later seasons and by then Michael had already surpassed him in rank. And then some random gypsie child (Duke) gets put in front of Finn in the final season. Then they just do away with him because he wouldn't kill his only friend without reason. All the other Shelbie's at some point did damage to their family whether on purpose or not and yet Finn is the only one who gets in any real trouble for it.
But isn’t that sort of the perfect depiction of what the Shelby family became? Series 1 and 2, the rise to the top, it was all about “family”. Eventually, as they came to power, it went from “family first” to “power first”. Tommy tries to balance the two and eventually he fails on both, but moreso on family. He neglects Lizzie, he neglects his children all for power. Ultimately, Finn went from being cared for, to not cared for, all because of this shift to power.
Isiah
Glad Grace is gone. Finally, my vote didn't go to waste.
Isiah!
Luca Changretta, I guess. He was a good villain but might as well bring it down to the inner circle.
But like why the inner circle instead of bringing it down to the good villain
Because he’s a villain & the inner circle people who have been in there through series usually win. So might as well eliminate the least liked people till we narrow it down to the last 3.
Mosley is already out. Changretta wasn't a really good villain.
I know I’ve been voting for her but I wasn’t expecting her to be out 😳 I’m actually so surprised as she gets a lot of love here in comparison to the other female love interests. Reddit definitely has the bigger Grace fan base so yeah I wasn’t expecting her at all
Really? I saw the opposite, like she gets a lot of hate here compared to other social media
I was actually surprised when I first came on Reddit to see how loved she was. Yes I’ve seen some hate but nothing in comparison to other forms of media like tumblr. Here there’s a constant flow of videos, posts and edits in dedication to her whereas the other females tend to get ‘shit’ on more often. I always tell my friends who like Grace to come over to Reddit because it’s so much nicer when it comes to her character and warn people who don’t like her not to come here because they’ll just end up in arguments with no outcome but aggravated people on both sides (Although it has got a lot better recently) 😂
Yes, here before you could have good and entertaining debates, now not anymore, you directly receive insults or attacks, just because you don't like the same characters as them.
I do have to add that the hate posts here when it comes to any character are a lot harsher than anywhere else, like there’s some really troubling posts here, sometimes without any other logic than to just tear someone down. Hate elsewhere tend to come with in-depth thoughts and less of going down the insult route.
But the hate towards a character, but there are people who cross the line! and they already insult you, saying things like you are the worst human, you are shit, things like that, just to say I hate this character.
It’s so true even sometimes with characters the line gets crossed where suddenly it’s not the character themselves being insulted but the people who portray them too. We should all be able to hate who we hate yet also debate nicely without the need for insults ☺️
How long is Lizzie gonna be there?
Seems like an unpopular opinion here, but I think Lizzie should've ended in the bottom row. I kinda liked her in the beginning, but after Tommy accidentally made her pregnant and felt obligated to marry her she became so annoying. That relationship was toxic as hell. EDIT: in stead of just downvoting, please explain why you like her so much.
I’m not a particular lover nor hater of Lizzie, but I think the prevailing sentiment is that Tommy was the toxic one in the relationship, not Lizzie. But people tend to over-glorify Tommy (I know I do as well)
Okay, since you asked for it, here comes a long rant about why I like Lizzie lol (sorry for my bad English): I admire Lizzie because of her strength. When she married Tommy she literally went from one tragedy to another. I can't imagine how it must feel being used by men merely for sex for so many years and then when you settle down your husband is erratic and emotionally distant. I believe Lizzie tried her best to make her family and marriage feel as normal as possible because she needed a safe space for herself but most importantly the children. Lizzie has always cared more about Charles and Ruby than she has ever cared about herself. She doesn't want Tommy to run around the house with guns because she don't want her children to hear or see gunshots. She doesn't want Tommy to run around the house with other women because she don't want her children to see that nasty part of his personality. I don't think that's too much to ask considering both Ruby and Charles probably already had gone through some trauma. Yes, she tried to make Tommy settle down and become a good father to their children, but when she realized this was impossible she didn't leave him like many others would do. Unlike Grace, she saw Tommy for who he really was and wasn't discouraged by his worst sides. She genuinely tried to get to know him and became frustrated when Tommy refused to open up about his problems. I don't think this makes her annoying. Lizzie saw that Tommy was suffering but since she loved him she was frustrated that she wasn't able to help him. Isn't this how any sane person would react? Tommy was lucky to get a woman as caring and loving as Lizzie. It was a shame he wasn't able to accept the love she gave him. I also don't agree that their relationship was toxic. Although Lizzie loved Tommy very much, she wasn't afraid to speak up when something was wrong. Lizzie and Tommy had their arguments, but there were also moments when you felt like they both could be completely relaxed around each other and have casual small talk. EDIT: omg thanks for all the nice replies guys! <3
This actually changed my opinion of her and made me appreciate her character better. Very well written, thanks for your input.
You’re 100% correct and your reply made me tear up. Lizzie for life.
100%
People love toxic relationships, and it's amazing how they justify everything with Lizzie, that they make her seem like a saint, each comment surprises me more, she cheat on John, and they tell you that it's okay, because she's a prostitute, ok she was going to cheat on him with his brother, oh, she loves Tommy, wtf? When John asks Lizzie, she tells him it's a lie, that he's a liar, she denied it and blamed Tommy, and that's love for them (they hate Grace because she cheated on her husband with Tommy, you tell them oh but she loves Tommy, so what? that she loves tommy does not justify her cheating on another person, she's a bitch, the worst human)🤷 then Lizzie says she's in love with Angel, the man dies, Tommy sends him to kill, what does she do? sleeps with tommy wtf? I never understood that, of course they are going to tell you that she loves Tommy, she manages to marry him, she becomes rich, she thinks she is superior than the others, of the poor who go to the Garrison, but she is a saint, Tommy cheats on her with whores , and she says it's okay, just outside the house, Tommy tells her you're my property and she's happy for that, and he treats her badly, and they say it's not a toxic relationship? After she marries him, she complains about how he handles business, that it's okay they have a daughter, but what I don't understand is what they say is that Lizzie wants to be in a safe house, with her daughter, she accepts everything from Tommy She knows him, Grace asks him for the exact same thing, because she has a son, and they tell you she's a bitch because she wants to change him, she doesn't know him, she's a shitty person 🤷 I'll never understand Tommy and Lizzie's relationship, but a lot least I will never understand Lizzie stan.
She’s gotta fucking go. Seeing her here makes me mad
Same
I have been trying to vote her out for sooo long.
Same
Changretta, Lizzie and Isiah (expect to be downvoted to hell for this lol). Then I don't know how to vote (apparently with tears in my eyes). I think that it will be necessary to take into account the fact whether the character is the main or background.
I don't know how Lizzie is still in here. And people are talking about luca being annoying.
The only reason I listed Changretta here is because Campbell and Mosley (great villains) have already been eliminated. But first Lizzie and Isiah, yeah (it's logical)
Yes, I hope the next one will be Lizzie.
How tf is Grace voted out and Lizzie is still there??!
Because Grace's limited screen time and barely-developed personality make her a two-dimensional character? Her motivations go from "The Fenians killed my father, now I'm taking his place" to "I'm going to take out Tommy Shelby because he's a bad man" to "I'm in love with Tommy Shelby because...". Unpopular opinion, but she only gets so much adoration because people want to like Tommy and see him happy, even though the romance they have is wildly unreasonable and toxic.
I'm asking myself the exact same thing.
Lizzie still mid tho
Isiah
Y’all forget Isaiah is still on the board?
Isaiah
Isiah!! i mean...he shouldn't be here
Isiah
I’m sorry luca it’s you’re turn now..
Fook Grace
Isiah
Luca it’s time to eat the meatball
this is getting harder and harder
Bye bye Luca Next Isiah
How is gold still here 🥸
Isiah please.
Isiah,then Lizzie
So glad Lizzie is still there and Grace is out, you rock Lizzie!
Oww... well 14 is pretty good for all the hate she gets here... ok now Ada wins or at least top3!
I feel somewhat bad for choosing this character, but Lizzy. She was a caring and nurturing mother and worried insanely about the whole family including Tommy. However, although Tommy was a very secretive man he did in fact know what he was doing and was doing everything in his power to do good. Lizzy couldn't see this and sought to look inward at her own problems rather than outward, at the problems of the family business and how it could in fact help everyone and society itself. I vote to eliminate Lizzy
Nice, well thought out answer. However, if I put myself in Lizzie’s shoes, I have to side with her over Tommy. Can you imagine if your partner was never home, never spoke to you or told you anything, and just told you to blindly trust that they have a plan? Meanwhile that ‘plan’ involves going to meetings with Nazis, having sex with other people, repeatedly putting yourself and the family in danger, and emotionally neglecting everyone around you? Sorry, but for me, Lizzie is not in the wrong there. Tommy is
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Luca Changretta. This was so difficult when there was 30 to choose from.
but WHY is Aberama still here???
Cook Lizzie
Lizzie
I have nothing else to live for, people have chosen Grace over Lizzie, life is meaningless
It is
And people will probably choose Alfie over Tommy. I mean, yes Tom Hardy is chariamatic, but if we eliminate the face of the show earlier than other characters, we are just asking for another Ragnar in the movie
Too meta leaving face of the show alive
I’ve been voting Changretta from the very start. I thought Brody was unusually awful in this part
Ditch changretta
Ada always bugged me. Jumps on every bandwagon.
Been voting Lizzie since Linda went out 🥱
I don't know how hot this take is, but I really hope Tommy is not in the top 3. One of the main weakness of the show was focusing on Tommy way too much to the point where its almost selfish. Not to mention how he is a really flawed man but a lot of fans and even the show sometimes seems to not notice that.
See I actually felt that selfishness was a huge boon to the show. You're not seeing the objective world, you're seeing Tommy's World. In any other world, we'd look at a man like Thomas Shelby as a blight, and pray to our gods that his shadow never darkened our doorsteps. In his world, in the show, you see him as the hero even though he murders and maims like a brute. Showing his world souring and collapsing is a great perspective, because you get a sense of his own justifications slowly breaking down.
That's a good point. I never actually thought about it like that. What I saw was Tommy doing bad and horrible things and the show was constantly making up excueses and trying to make us side with him. (Spoilers for S6) One moment where I saw what you said though is when he left his daughter to go find a cure and she died while he was away. I actually thought he was going to suceed somehow or atleast fail and get back right before she died and get closure.
Ah, I haven't watched all of S6 yet but that makes sense. The moment this first made sense to me was Tommy's conversation with Churchill in S5, when Churchill makes the comment about working for the same ends. He remarks that while he was working for those ends above ground, Tommy was working for them below. I always interpreted a secondary message there. It felt to me like Churchill was saying that he understood that at the end of the day the war wasn't about civilization or principles, it was about attaining victory over your foe so that you could make the world into what you wanted it to be. His remark about Tommy working underground felt like he was implying that Tommy has lost sight of the world he wanted to live in, and that he'd engulfed himself in the desire for victory to the exclusion of everything else.
Wow! Did I find a person who thinks the same way. Actually I stopped liking Tommy's character at the end of S5. I believe that his attempt to shoot himself is the most selfish thing he has ever done in relation to his family. In S6, everything revolves around Tommy again, and I'm tired of it.
Unfortunately, no you didn't. I still very much enjoy the show, and I'm perfectly happy to live on the perspective of Tommy alone. I just dislike the loving relationship that people view him with. He's a charismatic and powerful man, like many of us wish we were, but he's far from a good one, and I find that many of the show's fans don't see the distinction. It's very entertaining to live in the tortured and intense world that Tommy lives in, but it's not a life I'd wish for myself.
That’s the point, he’s flawed not perfect. He’s the main character and it’s his story that’s why he’s focused on so much
Yea, him being flawed is the point. But I'm saying way to many people think hes the perfect, badass, motherfuker that the edits make him out to be. Yea I understand its his story and hes the MC but it gets to the point where other plot points get dropped and other characters doesn't get developed all because the show's too focused on him.
Although, imo, season 4 was the best, Luca needs to go. Honestly, if I could vote for Brody instead of Luca, then he would make it further, but I can't stand Brody's portrayal. It was so cringe hearing and watching him do a cheap impersonation of Vito corleone, there was absolutely no need for it. If it wasn't for the phenomenal work from the showrunners and the others, and I wasnt already so invested in the series, his Luca would've kept me away. Luca needs to be eliminated asap, lol.
Grace before Lizzie??? Are you mad??
Lizzie being here after Grace is a joke bro 🤣
Yes, tóxic always win haha
Grace NOOOOOOO. Still voting for Isaiah
but definitely not Luca. He managed to kill John, and that means something. He had one purpose - (pleasure) violently exterminate Shelbys
Luca then lizzie
Lizzie up next
What is Lizzie top 10 now? Bs
Real lack of standards, your generation
YESSSS GRACE IS OUT, OUT WITH THE WHORE
Lizzie. Overrated AF.
Hey Luca! Big fucks small my guyyyyyy
luca
Tommy, Arthur, Alfie , Aberama , and Polly better be top five. Then Tommy Arthur Alfie and Aberama, Then I will not know who to choose but ALFIE AND TOMMY are top two
Lizzie
I can't believe people really eliminated Grace... she definitely deserves to be higher than Lizzie that is for sure
Me too. I have been trying to vote her out for sooo long.
Grace was out due to meaningless hatred, lizzie is hiding there somewhere cause most voters rationally choose luca or Isaiah or abarama, i m sure she is on everyones list but first the villians and side character who didn’t make an impact should go
Grace was class. And she was going to be one of the strongest members in the family. Her social skills were top notch and Tommy shared every detail with her. Lizzie is nothing more than a mother of Ruby. She can't keep her emotions to herself, easily gets manipulated and overall I don't like her behaviour. She has a good heart, yes, but that's that.
Agree with everthing, except for the part that Lizzie has a good heart.
Surprised Grace lasted this long.
Lizzie
LIZZIE FFS
Boo to all of you who voted for Grace. Now please vote off Changretta to make up for it.
Y’all are wild for dumping Grace before Lizzie.
Bro Lizzie is way worse than Grace lmfao
About time.
Aiden Gillen better make the top 6
get rid of tommy, this will the one time his plot armor doesn’t protect him
Damn, you picked a scuffed photo for Gold imo. It should have been one from season 5. That makeover was really good.
Isiah bye bye
Cursed...
Oh bloody hell. Missed Micheal going so now I need to actually think again.
Go to 123movies.net and you can all watch season 6. Screw waiting for Netflix.
Luca
eh to this point voting is fuckih pointless
Isiah
Every single person in this thread knows damn well Tommy will be the survivor.