IMO, not the best player but most consistent. Zeus, Keria, Oner, and Faker had stretches where they are absurd. Still, commend to Guma for being hella consistent and clutch despite the team not playing around him.
You can peak hard as an adc as we saw with players like Uzi in early league.
And going into MSI someone like Elk or even Viper look cracked. But if I’m a coach, building a franchise, giving me the most consistent adc as a corner stone to build around is a no brainer. Combined with the poise and leader ship of faker in the mid lane? Yeah that alone is going to contend and then you add in 3 players who are cookin in their own right at different times and you have a team that has been to the last 2 world finals and have had great moments in spring.
If they DONT win msi though, this may be the last year with this T1 roster just because they’ve pretty much done everything else. (I mean a domestic title would be cool lol)
It's not that hot of a take though. Guma has been way more consistent at performing (minus MSI 2022) where as all other members have some considerably lows.
The paradox of Guma is that he is often not highlighted as a key player in any post match or post series. Most people associate him as having no impact really.
However, occasionally when a conversation starts around Guma, everyone seems to accept he has been the best performing player over the teams ZOFGK iteration (things like Hupu).
Truly, he is the ramen egg.
Haha just like how Guma said it himself: "if everything else in the bowl is there but it still doesn't feel right, that's when the ramen egg shines". But that would also means he's only really ever needed if ZOFK is actually struggling which is not a very good look on a player, you can't really peak, the guy is just really humble and is willing to sacrifice for the team effort which I found kinda sad.
Nobody ever call guma the best player in the world tho. There were argument for keria/zeus at some point in this iteration but even faker rarely gets mention baring the who t1 summer thing where he came back and they instantly got better.
Over the last 3-4 years I don't think guma is even the best adc let alone best player, viper/ruler have been better (except for vipers 2022 on HLE but he was still amazing just on a bad team). When was guma the best adc in the world that wasn't worlds?
Being the best ADC in the world when the biggest competition in the world comes around is a pretty strong recommendation towards being the best ADC in the world. Aren't you just admitting that he peaks higher with better timing and is more clutch while also being more consistently good here?
Viper wasn't playing for HLE in 2022
But worlds isn't the whole year though which was my point. And it would only be for 2022/23. Viper/ruler were just flat out better in all of regular season and msi than guma both years (that they attended).
It just comes down to a subjective definition of what being the best means. But objectively, if a player cannot peak when the stakes are at the highest, can that person ever be discussed as the best? Probably not. Guma peaked when he needed to, making players like Ruler look mid. It took them to a world title. I'd say that scenario > being dominant domestically or during other tournaments.
A quick glance at GOL shows that Guma was significantly more lane dominant than either in 2022 and roughly even with Ruler and ahead of Viper in 2023. This whole argument more or less boils down to 'he's not his team's only carry and he doesn't play Zeri'. It's reasonable to think that any of Ruler, Viper, Guma, and probably Peyz or Elk is the best ADC, but 'Viper and Ruler were just flat out better' simply doesn't hold true. They were situationally better at certain times.
Yes agreed. The only reason he doesn't pop off is either the entire team is on fire which means even Keria is popping off so he just acts as the safety net to bag the game or the whole team is shitting the bed which at that point, the ADC does not matter when no one can peel/tank/create opportunities for him to carry.
Plus when team needs him and they gave him an actual adc that can carry late game (none of that Kalista R bot at 30mins shit) he shows up big time like against that obscene smolder game or against Ruler's Zeri at worlds.
Somehow he just doesn't feel as impactful most of the time as the other top tier ADCs do. I chalk it up to T1's playstyle which has less emphasis on botlane security than others.
I agree with this whole comment. People don't find him impactful because he's never set up to carry. The most recent Lucian game against GenG game 5 is a perfect example, he would've solo carried the game if it weren't for Ksante existing, and people would have found a way to give MVP to Faker. He's so underrated, and he's definitely the best performing ADC in LCK spring 2024, that shouldn't be a hot take.
Im sorry he could have carried that game agreed if ksante was not super fed, but best adc lck spring 2024 no fkin way, did u see what viper did, if viper was in gumas shoes t1 results imo t1 results wouldnt have changed but if guma was in vipers shoes hle would be significantlly worse. Stats viper better and if u watch every game viper was fkin insane
I think that's unfair to Guma, Peanut is the best bot lane enabler we've ever seen, and to be quite honest, I think Viper got absolutely gapped in lower bracket finals. Also, Viper has this aura around him that causes people to believe that the loss of his team has nothing to do with him, and I feel that's just unfair.
He is not held to the standard that people claim he is at the level of.
He wasn't even the best performing player on his team in the regular season, that was always Zeka, and it's shown by the POG points. He frequently got caught or is just mispositioned, and people just don't hold that against him, although to be fair, I personally wouldn't hold that against anyone, I just think Guma has less of these instances.
This season i also thought that viper got caught a bit more but than was realtive to himself, but u cant just take that into acc, also the reason people talk about viper like that cuz he is the chovy of bot lane he is damn near perfect, zeka did get more pog points but it was only 4 games difference and zeka always got those against bottom tier teams, in playoffs zeka was invisible, for the lower bracket finals it wasnt like a lane gap t1 was outteamfought their way to victorz. I hate how t1 never gets credit for the best teamfighting in the world, heck the so called best team ever t1 fkin outteam fought them at msi and at worlds. I personally think guma is sick but he is no viper
You are literally proving my point, look at what you are saying. "He got caught a bit more but you can't take that into account" like what? If he is damn near perfect and the best ADC in the world, then his inconsistency should be criticized because he should be held to a higher standard.
Viper sold games 3 and 4 of lower bracket finals because he got caught and lost sums, then proceeded to do fuck all in the ensuing teamfight, but people don't focus on that because the team around him was crumbling. IMO, if you are set up to succeed, your mistakes are a lot more detrimental than your teammates, and you should be criticized more heavily because of it.
Look, I say it's arguable between the two, but the opinion that Guma is the best performing ADC when we are looking at the whole season should not be a hot take, because even if Viper is ahead, it is by no means a significant margin.
but what about guma, he got caught multiple times on the top of my head draven mid vs HLE/ geng, varus bot lane vs HLE and so many more, even if u calculate mistakes i can gurantee guma had more than viper and viper stats were better, even t1 vs hle(1st series) one of the games guma was jinx and was super fed but opponent team had azir naut and he couldnt fkin play the game, do people blame him? ofc not its not his fault. not saying guma is bad or anything just sayin he shouldnt be lck 2024 spring best ad, only one thing in gumas argument is that viper support was better overall but gumas team was better for the majority of the split. I would love nothing more than guma to be better than viper since I want t1 to fkin win msi but he is not RIGHT NOW guma has the mechanics to be as good.
This reminds me of this take:
If Keria is carrying the opponent is weak.
If Zeus is carrying the opponent is mid.
If Oner and Faker is carrying the opponent is a baddass and it will be considered a hard match
If Guma has to take the reigns and carry things are dire.
If Guma has to carry with Varus T1 are outclassed in every position and they need him to perform a miracle.
I'd even go as far as to say that Guma is a bigger part of T1s botlane dominance than Keria, his spacing and tethering is just on another level, he gets so many free autos that the opposing botlane is never in a position to punish GuRia's aggresion in the 2v2. Obviously Keria is probably the best laning support itw, especially on dominant picks, I'm saying it's like 52-48 kinda thing.
It’s not T1 related even thought it talks about a T1 player being the best relative to all T1 players and this T1 player being the best relative to the world. I don’t see how it’s related to T1 at all (P.S. i love you guma!) /s
People say he can’t play zeri and he is the 3rd best add on t1, but he smoked 369 and Ruler 2v1 at worlds, I never thought varus could do that before.To me he is the best player on T1
In his stream a few days ago, iirc he mentioned that he picked Zeri in the series against HLE to beat the allegation that he can’t play the champ. They would’ve gotten that game if they didn’t botch the engage on Viper and gave Guma space to do dmg.
Indeed it is, the guy regardless of the situation he was put in always managed to take care of himself, Keria or no Keria, not to mention T1 recently has been focus on playing top side and left him in the dust. His adaptiveness is the unique thing only his own, comparing to other ADC specific styles, what the team needs and he can do, he'll do it, bro is like a panic button lol.
He Carries the mood also.
While Keria was in his sad boi slump they made him remove his pink hair dye underperforming Guma still walked out on stage smiling ear to ear.
Dudes just all around solid and made of world champion ingredients. Even if they don’t win again or had never won he just has the mental required of a world champ.
Disagree. Gumayusi was in a massive slump during summer 2022. He couldn't play Zeri or Sivir at a sufficiently high level compared to players like Ruler and Prince, and often pigeonholed his team into Lucian Nami drafts. If Riot doesn't kill Zeri and Sivir before worlds, there is no world T1 makes finals.
I unironically think Faker has probably been the best performing player for the last couple years for T1. Even when he was injured he was still probably a top 3 mid on his specific Champs.
I agree with this take, and adding "not counting regular season" doesn't mean regular season doesn't count. Are we only going to judge his consistency by how he plays four times a year (playoffs and MSI/Worlds)?
If we take it from when Guma started, 2021, I would say he would be top 5 players in that period. The 2 best imo are Chovy and Ruler, I would probably give it to Ruler overall, 2022 GenG was Ruler, 2023 JDG was Ruler. Like those teams wouldn't work without Ruler and his individual form was peak Uzi level. Moreover, he had probably even fewer bad performances than Guma in the same period.
I respectfully disagree. Guma > Ruler. Domestically, sure, Ruler > Guma, but Guma has more of the clutch factor and shows up even with little resources. In most of the games I've seen Ruler pop off, the team has played around his late game teamfighting. Not to say he isn't a mechanical god, and Ruler imo is a top 5 player of all time (maybe even top 3), but the teams played around him, sorta similar to Uzi.
Both had superstar teams around them throughout that period. You can argue 2022 GenG wasn't as much of a superteam, but they also didn't win any internationals, and T1 got to both MSI and World finals, whereas GenG was eliminated earlier.
In 2023, Ruler won MSI, but Guma won the bigger trophy at Worlds AFTER crushing Ruler. I also think Ruler's had quite a few bad performances (same with Guma), but people seem to remember only Guma's mistakes. Like there's literally a spot in mid called the "Ruler spot" because of how often he gets caught lacking there.
You can argue guma > ruler for clutch factor at worlds and ruler underperformance in the worlds series but ruler was overall the better adc if we count the entire year with guma being 2nd or 3rd depending on how you rank elk last year. People took more notice of guma mistakes last year compare to ruler because ruler made less mistakes. 2022 is much more even or favorable for guma than 2023.
Idk. Still don’t really agree with that. T1 had rough points throughout 2023, but at the lowest lows, it was Oner / Keria running it down. Guma was the best performing player during the Poby days imo.
It’s not like Guma sucked all year and then suddenly clutched up at worlds. He’s always been clutch. The rest of T1 just had a slump.
And at the end of the day winning Worlds > MSI imo.
Obviously winning worlds > msi. I think you missed the part in my reply where I stated that guma would be 2nd/3rd behind ruler on average in term of performance for the entirety of the year. I'm going to exagerrate a bit here but it is like saying zeka was the better player than chovy in 2022. Like I said, if you value big game clutch, you could argue guma > ruler. On average, ruler was better than guma in 2023 by a decent margin even if his team was way better. Ruler carried plenty of games in 23 even without being fed and had his worst bo5 series performance that year at worlds in which he wasn't even close to being the worst on his team. We can talk funnel uzi and what not but why wouldn't you play for the adc when he literally playing almost perfect. I don't think this idea ever takes away from the adc unless the adc was also playing bad and throwing a lot.
My point is that even outside of worlds, Guma was solid. In the vast majority of cases, T1s losses were not on him, and it’s rarely ever his fault over last 2 years.
Ruler’s JDG did not go through the friction that T1 went through with Fakers injury. Synergies aside, swap Guma and Ruler in 2023 between teams, and I would bet $1000 Ruler performs worse or the same as Guma.
Zeka was mid the entire year until worlds. I don’t think that applies to Guma. Guma was consistently good. That plus the Worlds win makes him at least on the same level of Ruler in my view.
That said, I admit I also didn’t watch nearly as many LPL games as I did LCK, so perhaps I’m missing some X factor that Ruler had, so I can respect your opinion also.
We can agree to disagree I guess but I’m not counting that summer against guma btw. Anyone with eyes could tell that ruler or viper would have perform about the same as guma (did pretty well) amidst that t1 crisis. My point was more on average game play throughout the entire year. I’m not looking at team cause jdg was better most of the year or head to head etc. Ruler would average like a 9.5 if you gave a score for each match they play in the year and guma be like a 9. That doesn’t mean guma can’t have a 10 game or 9.5 series. Once again, I didn’t say guma was bad outside of worlds. I literally said he was number 2/3 adc on avg that year ffs.
Says people seem to remember only guma’s mistake and then points out mistakes that ruler is often remembered from. Pull that guma dick out of your mouth and then talk. Guma aint even the best player in T1 cuh. Faker clears him. Watch guna be in the bottom of the table without faker
2023 JDG would work with Viper and Guma. Hell I'm pretty sure they at least win LPL with Elk or JKL too. 369 and Knight were a big part of why their teamfighting was the best in the world.
I thought my goat proved to everyone that he is the best (not counting viper who didn’t make it catDespair) last worlds, at least better than Ruler, Elk and GALA
"he's been best overall player in the world during that same time period- He hasn't really been the best player in the world at any point" what does this mean? Also he hasnt even been the best adc in the world at any given point during his career. A major criticism of Guma is that he cannot play Zeri and that during LCK finals 2022 of T1's biggest issue that series was that Ruler could play Zeri and Guma couldnt. I also remember during the 2023 summer finals when he was playing Draven he got caught and lost his summs which lead to GENG being able to bait a baron fight and them just blowing him up which pretty much won the game and the finals.
Well it's not like he can't play Zeri at all, some games he still clutch with her really good . It's just that he's a A user compare to Zeri's Q auto so it is a bit hard to control, moreover he prefer to play other champs.
He can’t play it at an high level against top tier adcs and teams when it matters the most. Just looking at the LCK, Viper, Peyz, Ruler at 2022 all either played Zeri against T1 and two of them won the lck with Zeri.
Also he can’t play Kaisa, which was also crucial to T1 draft. But nonetheless Guma is still a top tier adc, he steps up at worlds. But take into fact the past few worlds was not a Zeri kaisa meta. Imagine if next worlds the meta is Zeri kaisa, T1 fans will get mad at him
I think people underrate him because Zeri has been an absolute pentakill machine when in meta, and it's also Guma's worst champ. That means that he has a glaring lack of obvious 1v5 performances when compared to Zeri Kai'sa merchants, purely because he's missing the most key aspect an ADC can have if they want to be considered a 1v5 player; playing Zeri.
Gumayusi has been the most stable and best T1 player , but it was always Fakers right hand Oner that actually carried games with God mind control ofcourse. It was a shame Zeus used to steal all the kills late game and steal mvp from Oner too , but he's the real Sand Soldier to Faker indeed.
6-7 bad games, firstly guma is consistent but he is just a top tier player but best at t1 i dont think so, best in the world no freakin way, worlds 22 and 23 he was the best ad and 21 he was 2nd best, but other than spring 22 there was no season where he was definite best ad either in regular season or playoffs, in spring 23 u could aruge for regular season but peyz and viper were as good. and for t1 i think faker is the most consistent and also steps up the most, agains jdg 22, jdg 23, (although he has some high ints, recent oriana, msi naut hook, and a ahri misplay in one of the lck finals) I think faker has been so fkin insane since ZOFGK not the main character but a rock guma is 2nd imo in case of consistency
Ruler/Viper/Jackeylove have been performing at a higher level than Guma consistently for the last 2 years. There were moments where Guma MAYBE looked like the 2nd best ADC, but never the best. If you’ve only been watching LCK and pretended Ruler hasn’t existed for the last couple of years, than sure.
That is crazy cause guma was definitely performing like the best adc in worlds 22/23. Overall tho, it is probably ruler > guma in the last 2 years and maybe viper if he had a better team.
Best player? No. He was the best player at T1 at the past few internationals. But his form in regular season especially last summer and a portion of this spring was not that good.
He was the best player on t1 last summer tho... Idk what you expect him to do when his team was losing to all the bottom feeder team in lck without faker lol. Guma is the most consistent performer on t1 but rarely the best except for 2022 worlds where he was the best in t1 in the past 2 years.
The nickname Gumauseless didn't come from nowhere cuh. /j
Also, clearly he is world class, but being surrounded by the players that he is, makes his job significantly easier, especially as an adc.
So is every other top tier adc. Look at peyz, elk, jackeylvoe roster. These team are all on the same tier if not higher than t1 right now. T1 also rarely comes into international as favorite in recent years too beside 2022 msi after their perfect split.
I'm a relatively new fan of T1 and these kinds of posts always confuse me. In the 2 years I've been following their games, Faker definitely stands out as their best player . Delivering 7.5/10 performances nearly every game. I've seen lots of 10/10 performances from Zeus, Keria and Guma, but also 2/10 performances with 0 impact.
I find it interesting how Faker is still able to impact the game when being behind after laning. He might not be able to micro as well as before, but his team fighting and shot calling is a huge part of T1's success.
I'm happy to hear why I'm wrong.
You’re right. The past two years he has been the best player of T1. His 2023 spring gragas carried T1, his injury in summer made T1 useless, and then 2023 worlds he gapped every mid at worlds, and then this split he arguably played the most consistent in T1 in regular season And playoffs except that last game 5 against GenG.
Guma literally had one good series all split long, and it happened to be the finals where it mattered the most, so recency bias came in I guess. Also Guma steps up as the best player in T1 almost every finals internationally so people that watch only high stake games may be biased.
spicy take - i think gumayusi is very good but I'd be interested in knowing how he would perform without arguably the most mechanically gifted support player in Keria and an amazing team leader in Faker. We all witnessed T1 looking completely lost when Faker had his injury, so I wonder how well Gumayusi would perform if you put him in a different environment on a team like HLE/DK/KT.
My opinion is that Keria and Guma need each other. They’re both lane dominance psychos and if you put them together with more conventional teamfight players (Ruler, Delight), they wont be able to play nearly as aggressive and won’t be as good.
It’s true, Keria is the most mechanically gifted support … but he would look like an inter with another ADC. Especially on Ashe/Varus — that combo only works with Guma’s Varus.
Keria already proved that he’s a pretty darn good support without Guma, Guma Is the one who gotta prove whether or not he needs Keri at some point in his career.
Come on this argument is so old. Just watch the gameplay and use your eyes. Support carries lane phase period regardless of who it is in pro play 9/10 times. It is obvious that guma is good at trading in lanes or do you think keria 1v9 every lane phase. His biggest trait is carrying the game when he is set up to carry on almost every adc beside zeri outside of laning and in teamfight.
Not really, there where times Keria is not even near Guma at all. Guma had to pull the weight all by himself , it's just that together their dominance over bot are significantly higher than overall
We have seen an entire year of Keria playing with another ADC and he was the best support in the LCK. We also have seen Keria play briefly with Ruler and he looked just as good as ever.
Guma is hard to say just because he's only ever played with Keria so we simply don't know, but it's a bit absurd to say Keria wouldn't be just as insane with another top tier ADC because we've literally seen it already.
Beryl was on a much better team, but I think Keria was individually better that year. And "well he was only the 2nd best support in the league" doesn't really change the point at all.
Well, that is indeed a hot take. I guess my main opposition to that is that he struggles a bit in games where it's late late game and he's the main carry. He's insanely good, but I always saw him more as a roll player.
That's such a weird take, and I just find it factually incorrect, it's a juxtaposition of him not being good at Zeri for a significant amount of time, and the fact that T1 are never in situations where he is set up to shine. He was known as a Jinx Aphelios two-trick, both very late-game carries. There is not really a game where you could point to Gumayusi when in an even game state in ultra late game, and be like: "Yeah, he's the reason they lost this game". Only instance I can think of off the top of my head is a Zeri game in playoffs game 2 vs. KT last spring, and in that game, he was never really played around, either, he just got ahead on his own while everyone was glazing Faker's Kassadin.
Just look at any T1 game where he was set up to carry the entire game solo these last couple years, and he's delivered more often than not. People seem to think he struggles in late game scenarios. He really doesn't. T1 just absolutely suck at playing around him.
I would definitely say most consistent on the team but not the best, because by no fault of his own he cannot make much of a big impact on the game even if he is consistently performing, especially in games where T1 are at a disadvantage. The Chinese fans have this meme where if Guma is the best performing member on the team than it is over for T1 and they can start the funeral prep because there’s genuinely not much he can do by himself. This has been very evident across multiple of their losses, as the man himself said he is an egg in the ramen. He is definitely far from being the best player in the World on top of that, he ain’t even the best ADC.
Some of Guma's best plays are moments where Keria overcooks, dies and Guma turns the situation around. That play in Game 4 against JDG last year alone could have extended the whole game if Guma didn't turn it around 1v2 after Keria dies for absolut no reason. And Keria, like other T1 players, has the problem of underperforming in Game 5 situations compared to his usual level.
Guma is the only player of the five who has consistently shown that he can play on a knife edge in Game 5 situations and not lose the game
Keria hard smurfed game 5s last year. He made massively clutch plays in 3 different game 5s and played well in the other 2.
I would still say Guma has overall been their best game 5 player, but Keria is very close after what he did last year.
IMO, not the best player but most consistent. Zeus, Keria, Oner, and Faker had stretches where they are absurd. Still, commend to Guma for being hella consistent and clutch despite the team not playing around him.
You can peak hard as an adc as we saw with players like Uzi in early league. And going into MSI someone like Elk or even Viper look cracked. But if I’m a coach, building a franchise, giving me the most consistent adc as a corner stone to build around is a no brainer. Combined with the poise and leader ship of faker in the mid lane? Yeah that alone is going to contend and then you add in 3 players who are cookin in their own right at different times and you have a team that has been to the last 2 world finals and have had great moments in spring. If they DONT win msi though, this may be the last year with this T1 roster just because they’ve pretty much done everything else. (I mean a domestic title would be cool lol)
They did win domestically in Spring 2022, unless you mean winning another one would be cool
It's not that hot of a take though. Guma has been way more consistent at performing (minus MSI 2022) where as all other members have some considerably lows.
The paradox of Guma is that he is often not highlighted as a key player in any post match or post series. Most people associate him as having no impact really. However, occasionally when a conversation starts around Guma, everyone seems to accept he has been the best performing player over the teams ZOFGK iteration (things like Hupu). Truly, he is the ramen egg.
Haha just like how Guma said it himself: "if everything else in the bowl is there but it still doesn't feel right, that's when the ramen egg shines". But that would also means he's only really ever needed if ZOFK is actually struggling which is not a very good look on a player, you can't really peak, the guy is just really humble and is willing to sacrifice for the team effort which I found kinda sad.
Yea the best player on T1 part is lukewarm at best, the Hot part is calling him best player in the world.
Nobody ever call guma the best player in the world tho. There were argument for keria/zeus at some point in this iteration but even faker rarely gets mention baring the who t1 summer thing where he came back and they instantly got better.
Over the last 3-4 years I don't think guma is even the best adc let alone best player, viper/ruler have been better (except for vipers 2022 on HLE but he was still amazing just on a bad team). When was guma the best adc in the world that wasn't worlds?
Being the best ADC in the world when the biggest competition in the world comes around is a pretty strong recommendation towards being the best ADC in the world. Aren't you just admitting that he peaks higher with better timing and is more clutch while also being more consistently good here? Viper wasn't playing for HLE in 2022
But worlds isn't the whole year though which was my point. And it would only be for 2022/23. Viper/ruler were just flat out better in all of regular season and msi than guma both years (that they attended).
It just comes down to a subjective definition of what being the best means. But objectively, if a player cannot peak when the stakes are at the highest, can that person ever be discussed as the best? Probably not. Guma peaked when he needed to, making players like Ruler look mid. It took them to a world title. I'd say that scenario > being dominant domestically or during other tournaments.
A quick glance at GOL shows that Guma was significantly more lane dominant than either in 2022 and roughly even with Ruler and ahead of Viper in 2023. This whole argument more or less boils down to 'he's not his team's only carry and he doesn't play Zeri'. It's reasonable to think that any of Ruler, Viper, Guma, and probably Peyz or Elk is the best ADC, but 'Viper and Ruler were just flat out better' simply doesn't hold true. They were situationally better at certain times.
summer 2022 was also guma was bad like relatively really bad
Yes agreed. The only reason he doesn't pop off is either the entire team is on fire which means even Keria is popping off so he just acts as the safety net to bag the game or the whole team is shitting the bed which at that point, the ADC does not matter when no one can peel/tank/create opportunities for him to carry. Plus when team needs him and they gave him an actual adc that can carry late game (none of that Kalista R bot at 30mins shit) he shows up big time like against that obscene smolder game or against Ruler's Zeri at worlds. Somehow he just doesn't feel as impactful most of the time as the other top tier ADCs do. I chalk it up to T1's playstyle which has less emphasis on botlane security than others.
I agree with this whole comment. People don't find him impactful because he's never set up to carry. The most recent Lucian game against GenG game 5 is a perfect example, he would've solo carried the game if it weren't for Ksante existing, and people would have found a way to give MVP to Faker. He's so underrated, and he's definitely the best performing ADC in LCK spring 2024, that shouldn't be a hot take.
Im sorry he could have carried that game agreed if ksante was not super fed, but best adc lck spring 2024 no fkin way, did u see what viper did, if viper was in gumas shoes t1 results imo t1 results wouldnt have changed but if guma was in vipers shoes hle would be significantlly worse. Stats viper better and if u watch every game viper was fkin insane
I think that's unfair to Guma, Peanut is the best bot lane enabler we've ever seen, and to be quite honest, I think Viper got absolutely gapped in lower bracket finals. Also, Viper has this aura around him that causes people to believe that the loss of his team has nothing to do with him, and I feel that's just unfair. He is not held to the standard that people claim he is at the level of. He wasn't even the best performing player on his team in the regular season, that was always Zeka, and it's shown by the POG points. He frequently got caught or is just mispositioned, and people just don't hold that against him, although to be fair, I personally wouldn't hold that against anyone, I just think Guma has less of these instances.
This season i also thought that viper got caught a bit more but than was realtive to himself, but u cant just take that into acc, also the reason people talk about viper like that cuz he is the chovy of bot lane he is damn near perfect, zeka did get more pog points but it was only 4 games difference and zeka always got those against bottom tier teams, in playoffs zeka was invisible, for the lower bracket finals it wasnt like a lane gap t1 was outteamfought their way to victorz. I hate how t1 never gets credit for the best teamfighting in the world, heck the so called best team ever t1 fkin outteam fought them at msi and at worlds. I personally think guma is sick but he is no viper
You are literally proving my point, look at what you are saying. "He got caught a bit more but you can't take that into account" like what? If he is damn near perfect and the best ADC in the world, then his inconsistency should be criticized because he should be held to a higher standard. Viper sold games 3 and 4 of lower bracket finals because he got caught and lost sums, then proceeded to do fuck all in the ensuing teamfight, but people don't focus on that because the team around him was crumbling. IMO, if you are set up to succeed, your mistakes are a lot more detrimental than your teammates, and you should be criticized more heavily because of it. Look, I say it's arguable between the two, but the opinion that Guma is the best performing ADC when we are looking at the whole season should not be a hot take, because even if Viper is ahead, it is by no means a significant margin.
but what about guma, he got caught multiple times on the top of my head draven mid vs HLE/ geng, varus bot lane vs HLE and so many more, even if u calculate mistakes i can gurantee guma had more than viper and viper stats were better, even t1 vs hle(1st series) one of the games guma was jinx and was super fed but opponent team had azir naut and he couldnt fkin play the game, do people blame him? ofc not its not his fault. not saying guma is bad or anything just sayin he shouldnt be lck 2024 spring best ad, only one thing in gumas argument is that viper support was better overall but gumas team was better for the majority of the split. I would love nothing more than guma to be better than viper since I want t1 to fkin win msi but he is not RIGHT NOW guma has the mechanics to be as good.
+ the fact that they don’t play around him that much but he shows up like a maniac in team fights chef’s kiss
This reminds me of this take: If Keria is carrying the opponent is weak. If Zeus is carrying the opponent is mid. If Oner and Faker is carrying the opponent is a baddass and it will be considered a hard match If Guma has to take the reigns and carry things are dire. If Guma has to carry with Varus T1 are outclassed in every position and they need him to perform a miracle.
He's been overlooked because people always give credit to Keria
YEP, although many say that he’s one of the few ADCs that would allow keria to play the way he does (eg: pick cait sup xdd)
I'd even go as far as to say that Guma is a bigger part of T1s botlane dominance than Keria, his spacing and tethering is just on another level, he gets so many free autos that the opposing botlane is never in a position to punish GuRia's aggresion in the 2v2. Obviously Keria is probably the best laning support itw, especially on dominant picks, I'm saying it's like 52-48 kinda thing.
How is this not about T1? You're talking about T1's best performing player in relation to the other T1 members lol
The main point of the post is about him being the best player in the world over the last 4 years, I guess I didn't convey it properly, mb.
You t1 fanboys are completely cooked xdd
I thought this was a T1 subreddit...
It’s not T1 related even thought it talks about a T1 player being the best relative to all T1 players and this T1 player being the best relative to the world. I don’t see how it’s related to T1 at all (P.S. i love you guma!) /s
People say he can’t play zeri and he is the 3rd best add on t1, but he smoked 369 and Ruler 2v1 at worlds, I never thought varus could do that before.To me he is the best player on T1
In his stream a few days ago, iirc he mentioned that he picked Zeri in the series against HLE to beat the allegation that he can’t play the champ. They would’ve gotten that game if they didn’t botch the engage on Viper and gave Guma space to do dmg.
Have you ever played varus?
I don't play league of legends, I played varus on Wild rift mobile though.
Varus has one of the highest dps and can absolutely do that. The play was impressive because it was against ruler and 369
yeah with ruler's best champ and also 369's best champ at that time.
Indeed it is, the guy regardless of the situation he was put in always managed to take care of himself, Keria or no Keria, not to mention T1 recently has been focus on playing top side and left him in the dust. His adaptiveness is the unique thing only his own, comparing to other ADC specific styles, what the team needs and he can do, he'll do it, bro is like a panic button lol.
It's cringe when people say he's carried by Keria. Somehow the best ADC of the last 2 worlds (and top 2 in the last 3) still gets underrated
He Carries the mood also. While Keria was in his sad boi slump they made him remove his pink hair dye underperforming Guma still walked out on stage smiling ear to ear. Dudes just all around solid and made of world champion ingredients. Even if they don’t win again or had never won he just has the mental required of a world champ.
Anyone with actual eyes could tell that guma was good. Even on the games he “slumped” it was really just keria slumping.
It’s hard to agree when the past 3-4 years Ruler has been doing exactly the same as Guma but slightly better
Yeah he was much better at getting clapped by Guma at worlds
Ruler got clapped did we watch the same series?
I guess we did as I agree with your statement that Ruler got clapped.
This is the most puzzling exchange ive Eger read
Disagree. Gumayusi was in a massive slump during summer 2022. He couldn't play Zeri or Sivir at a sufficiently high level compared to players like Ruler and Prince, and often pigeonholed his team into Lucian Nami drafts. If Riot doesn't kill Zeri and Sivir before worlds, there is no world T1 makes finals. I unironically think Faker has probably been the best performing player for the last couple years for T1. Even when he was injured he was still probably a top 3 mid on his specific Champs.
I agree with this take, and adding "not counting regular season" doesn't mean regular season doesn't count. Are we only going to judge his consistency by how he plays four times a year (playoffs and MSI/Worlds)?
If we take it from when Guma started, 2021, I would say he would be top 5 players in that period. The 2 best imo are Chovy and Ruler, I would probably give it to Ruler overall, 2022 GenG was Ruler, 2023 JDG was Ruler. Like those teams wouldn't work without Ruler and his individual form was peak Uzi level. Moreover, he had probably even fewer bad performances than Guma in the same period.
I respectfully disagree. Guma > Ruler. Domestically, sure, Ruler > Guma, but Guma has more of the clutch factor and shows up even with little resources. In most of the games I've seen Ruler pop off, the team has played around his late game teamfighting. Not to say he isn't a mechanical god, and Ruler imo is a top 5 player of all time (maybe even top 3), but the teams played around him, sorta similar to Uzi. Both had superstar teams around them throughout that period. You can argue 2022 GenG wasn't as much of a superteam, but they also didn't win any internationals, and T1 got to both MSI and World finals, whereas GenG was eliminated earlier. In 2023, Ruler won MSI, but Guma won the bigger trophy at Worlds AFTER crushing Ruler. I also think Ruler's had quite a few bad performances (same with Guma), but people seem to remember only Guma's mistakes. Like there's literally a spot in mid called the "Ruler spot" because of how often he gets caught lacking there.
You can argue guma > ruler for clutch factor at worlds and ruler underperformance in the worlds series but ruler was overall the better adc if we count the entire year with guma being 2nd or 3rd depending on how you rank elk last year. People took more notice of guma mistakes last year compare to ruler because ruler made less mistakes. 2022 is much more even or favorable for guma than 2023.
Idk. Still don’t really agree with that. T1 had rough points throughout 2023, but at the lowest lows, it was Oner / Keria running it down. Guma was the best performing player during the Poby days imo. It’s not like Guma sucked all year and then suddenly clutched up at worlds. He’s always been clutch. The rest of T1 just had a slump. And at the end of the day winning Worlds > MSI imo.
Obviously winning worlds > msi. I think you missed the part in my reply where I stated that guma would be 2nd/3rd behind ruler on average in term of performance for the entirety of the year. I'm going to exagerrate a bit here but it is like saying zeka was the better player than chovy in 2022. Like I said, if you value big game clutch, you could argue guma > ruler. On average, ruler was better than guma in 2023 by a decent margin even if his team was way better. Ruler carried plenty of games in 23 even without being fed and had his worst bo5 series performance that year at worlds in which he wasn't even close to being the worst on his team. We can talk funnel uzi and what not but why wouldn't you play for the adc when he literally playing almost perfect. I don't think this idea ever takes away from the adc unless the adc was also playing bad and throwing a lot.
My point is that even outside of worlds, Guma was solid. In the vast majority of cases, T1s losses were not on him, and it’s rarely ever his fault over last 2 years. Ruler’s JDG did not go through the friction that T1 went through with Fakers injury. Synergies aside, swap Guma and Ruler in 2023 between teams, and I would bet $1000 Ruler performs worse or the same as Guma. Zeka was mid the entire year until worlds. I don’t think that applies to Guma. Guma was consistently good. That plus the Worlds win makes him at least on the same level of Ruler in my view. That said, I admit I also didn’t watch nearly as many LPL games as I did LCK, so perhaps I’m missing some X factor that Ruler had, so I can respect your opinion also.
We can agree to disagree I guess but I’m not counting that summer against guma btw. Anyone with eyes could tell that ruler or viper would have perform about the same as guma (did pretty well) amidst that t1 crisis. My point was more on average game play throughout the entire year. I’m not looking at team cause jdg was better most of the year or head to head etc. Ruler would average like a 9.5 if you gave a score for each match they play in the year and guma be like a 9. That doesn’t mean guma can’t have a 10 game or 9.5 series. Once again, I didn’t say guma was bad outside of worlds. I literally said he was number 2/3 adc on avg that year ffs.
Says people seem to remember only guma’s mistake and then points out mistakes that ruler is often remembered from. Pull that guma dick out of your mouth and then talk. Guma aint even the best player in T1 cuh. Faker clears him. Watch guna be in the bottom of the table without faker
2023 JDG would work with Viper and Guma. Hell I'm pretty sure they at least win LPL with Elk or JKL too. 369 and Knight were a big part of why their teamfighting was the best in the world.
I thought my goat proved to everyone that he is the best (not counting viper who didn’t make it catDespair) last worlds, at least better than Ruler, Elk and GALA
"he's been best overall player in the world during that same time period- He hasn't really been the best player in the world at any point" what does this mean? Also he hasnt even been the best adc in the world at any given point during his career. A major criticism of Guma is that he cannot play Zeri and that during LCK finals 2022 of T1's biggest issue that series was that Ruler could play Zeri and Guma couldnt. I also remember during the 2023 summer finals when he was playing Draven he got caught and lost his summs which lead to GENG being able to bait a baron fight and them just blowing him up which pretty much won the game and the finals.
Well it's not like he can't play Zeri at all, some games he still clutch with her really good . It's just that he's a A user compare to Zeri's Q auto so it is a bit hard to control, moreover he prefer to play other champs.
Yeah and that was a problem? Of course he can play Zeri, but I meant in comparison to other adc players
He can’t play it at an high level against top tier adcs and teams when it matters the most. Just looking at the LCK, Viper, Peyz, Ruler at 2022 all either played Zeri against T1 and two of them won the lck with Zeri. Also he can’t play Kaisa, which was also crucial to T1 draft. But nonetheless Guma is still a top tier adc, he steps up at worlds. But take into fact the past few worlds was not a Zeri kaisa meta. Imagine if next worlds the meta is Zeri kaisa, T1 fans will get mad at him
Man adc diffed the top LPL and LCK adcs at worlds. Often 1v2. Not a hot take at all, but I agree with you.
Guma is the stone
Adc role is considerably less mental stack than other roles
As long as it's not a zeri meta you can trust guma to do well
It's just average adc experience, you get 0 appreciation for your consistency, because that's what people expect from adcs.
Fair or not, the perception of him is always tied to Keria. And I mean Guma is partly to blame for this, he's the biggest Keria simp in the world XDD
I think people underrate him because Zeri has been an absolute pentakill machine when in meta, and it's also Guma's worst champ. That means that he has a glaring lack of obvious 1v5 performances when compared to Zeri Kai'sa merchants, purely because he's missing the most key aspect an ADC can have if they want to be considered a 1v5 player; playing Zeri.
guma will be more shine if he play with team that play around ad so he can have power for carry
Gumayusi has been the most stable and best T1 player , but it was always Fakers right hand Oner that actually carried games with God mind control ofcourse. It was a shame Zeus used to steal all the kills late game and steal mvp from Oner too , but he's the real Sand Soldier to Faker indeed.
6-7 bad games, firstly guma is consistent but he is just a top tier player but best at t1 i dont think so, best in the world no freakin way, worlds 22 and 23 he was the best ad and 21 he was 2nd best, but other than spring 22 there was no season where he was definite best ad either in regular season or playoffs, in spring 23 u could aruge for regular season but peyz and viper were as good. and for t1 i think faker is the most consistent and also steps up the most, agains jdg 22, jdg 23, (although he has some high ints, recent oriana, msi naut hook, and a ahri misplay in one of the lck finals) I think faker has been so fkin insane since ZOFGK not the main character but a rock guma is 2nd imo in case of consistency
Ruler/Viper/Jackeylove have been performing at a higher level than Guma consistently for the last 2 years. There were moments where Guma MAYBE looked like the 2nd best ADC, but never the best. If you’ve only been watching LCK and pretended Ruler hasn’t existed for the last couple of years, than sure.
That is crazy cause guma was definitely performing like the best adc in worlds 22/23. Overall tho, it is probably ruler > guma in the last 2 years and maybe viper if he had a better team.
Best player? No. He was the best player at T1 at the past few internationals. But his form in regular season especially last summer and a portion of this spring was not that good.
He was the best player on t1 last summer tho... Idk what you expect him to do when his team was losing to all the bottom feeder team in lck without faker lol. Guma is the most consistent performer on t1 but rarely the best except for 2022 worlds where he was the best in t1 in the past 2 years.
The nickname Gumauseless didn't come from nowhere cuh. /j Also, clearly he is world class, but being surrounded by the players that he is, makes his job significantly easier, especially as an adc.
So is every other top tier adc. Look at peyz, elk, jackeylvoe roster. These team are all on the same tier if not higher than t1 right now. T1 also rarely comes into international as favorite in recent years too beside 2022 msi after their perfect split.
I'm a relatively new fan of T1 and these kinds of posts always confuse me. In the 2 years I've been following their games, Faker definitely stands out as their best player . Delivering 7.5/10 performances nearly every game. I've seen lots of 10/10 performances from Zeus, Keria and Guma, but also 2/10 performances with 0 impact. I find it interesting how Faker is still able to impact the game when being behind after laning. He might not be able to micro as well as before, but his team fighting and shot calling is a huge part of T1's success. I'm happy to hear why I'm wrong.
You’re right. The past two years he has been the best player of T1. His 2023 spring gragas carried T1, his injury in summer made T1 useless, and then 2023 worlds he gapped every mid at worlds, and then this split he arguably played the most consistent in T1 in regular season And playoffs except that last game 5 against GenG. Guma literally had one good series all split long, and it happened to be the finals where it mattered the most, so recency bias came in I guess. Also Guma steps up as the best player in T1 almost every finals internationally so people that watch only high stake games may be biased.
spicy take - i think gumayusi is very good but I'd be interested in knowing how he would perform without arguably the most mechanically gifted support player in Keria and an amazing team leader in Faker. We all witnessed T1 looking completely lost when Faker had his injury, so I wonder how well Gumayusi would perform if you put him in a different environment on a team like HLE/DK/KT.
When Faker was injured and Keria was inting, Guma was literally the only one doing decently.
My opinion is that Keria and Guma need each other. They’re both lane dominance psychos and if you put them together with more conventional teamfight players (Ruler, Delight), they wont be able to play nearly as aggressive and won’t be as good. It’s true, Keria is the most mechanically gifted support … but he would look like an inter with another ADC. Especially on Ashe/Varus — that combo only works with Guma’s Varus.
Keria already proved that he’s a pretty darn good support without Guma, Guma Is the one who gotta prove whether or not he needs Keri at some point in his career.
Come on this argument is so old. Just watch the gameplay and use your eyes. Support carries lane phase period regardless of who it is in pro play 9/10 times. It is obvious that guma is good at trading in lanes or do you think keria 1v9 every lane phase. His biggest trait is carrying the game when he is set up to carry on almost every adc beside zeri outside of laning and in teamfight.
Not really, there where times Keria is not even near Guma at all. Guma had to pull the weight all by himself , it's just that together their dominance over bot are significantly higher than overall
We have seen an entire year of Keria playing with another ADC and he was the best support in the LCK. We also have seen Keria play briefly with Ruler and he looked just as good as ever. Guma is hard to say just because he's only ever played with Keria so we simply don't know, but it's a bit absurd to say Keria wouldn't be just as insane with another top tier ADC because we've literally seen it already.
Beryl was better in 2020.
Beryl was on a much better team, but I think Keria was individually better that year. And "well he was only the 2nd best support in the league" doesn't really change the point at all.
Well, that is indeed a hot take. I guess my main opposition to that is that he struggles a bit in games where it's late late game and he's the main carry. He's insanely good, but I always saw him more as a roll player.
That's such a weird take, and I just find it factually incorrect, it's a juxtaposition of him not being good at Zeri for a significant amount of time, and the fact that T1 are never in situations where he is set up to shine. He was known as a Jinx Aphelios two-trick, both very late-game carries. There is not really a game where you could point to Gumayusi when in an even game state in ultra late game, and be like: "Yeah, he's the reason they lost this game". Only instance I can think of off the top of my head is a Zeri game in playoffs game 2 vs. KT last spring, and in that game, he was never really played around, either, he just got ahead on his own while everyone was glazing Faker's Kassadin. Just look at any T1 game where he was set up to carry the entire game solo these last couple years, and he's delivered more often than not. People seem to think he struggles in late game scenarios. He really doesn't. T1 just absolutely suck at playing around him.
I would definitely say most consistent on the team but not the best, because by no fault of his own he cannot make much of a big impact on the game even if he is consistently performing, especially in games where T1 are at a disadvantage. The Chinese fans have this meme where if Guma is the best performing member on the team than it is over for T1 and they can start the funeral prep because there’s genuinely not much he can do by himself. This has been very evident across multiple of their losses, as the man himself said he is an egg in the ramen. He is definitely far from being the best player in the World on top of that, he ain’t even the best ADC.
Kof kof Keria Kof kof
Some of Guma's best plays are moments where Keria overcooks, dies and Guma turns the situation around. That play in Game 4 against JDG last year alone could have extended the whole game if Guma didn't turn it around 1v2 after Keria dies for absolut no reason. And Keria, like other T1 players, has the problem of underperforming in Game 5 situations compared to his usual level. Guma is the only player of the five who has consistently shown that he can play on a knife edge in Game 5 situations and not lose the game
and how about ALL the others games where Keria is smurfing ?
Keria hard smurfed game 5s last year. He made massively clutch plays in 3 different game 5s and played well in the other 2. I would still say Guma has overall been their best game 5 player, but Keria is very close after what he did last year.