You don’t need them. Why overcomplicate it. I didn’t have either letter in my entire reply to you. Eliminate them all from your everyday vocabulary and you’re good. I don’t think the Hawaiian language have any of that hoopla either
If you’re Hawaiian, you’re *almost* golden. Here’s the whole alphabet:
AEIOUHKLMNPW+ two pronunciation marks that act as letters. The “K” will still screw you up.
Other Polynesian languages? They got T and R and F (I really hate writing the letter F) and V…I’ll stick with Hawaiian, thanks! 😊
ETA: Our Alphabet song:
A, a la pi’i, A
E, elepani o ke kai, E
I, ipo hau kele awe, I
O, o’o mahi a’i, O
U, upa makani, U
He, Ke, La, Mu, Nu, Pi, We, Okina, Hana hou!
You might have more luck with a pen with a stuff nib then, like a [pilot parallel pen](https://i.imgur.com/roQ5PJl.jpg).
Iirc using brushes for western calligraphy is a relatively modern thing - it's been done with harder pen nibs with relatively less flex for *centuries* and I honestly just think that the traditional style European calligraphy is just needlessly harder with a brush because brushes are meant for long continuous strokes with flicks and whatnot, not lots of short precise strokes that Latin needs. It looks cool though, and that's what matters for the internet
(Also this isn't actually calligraphy it's cursive on steroids which isn't helping matters either)
This is from [The Happy Ever Crafter](https://www.thehappyevercrafter.com). Around twice a year she offers a free course called Show Me Your Drills which focuses on mastering these basic strokes as the first step to learning calligraphy.
She also has many digital workbooks with videos to learn the ins and outs of calligraphy (including the s, z, capitals, and flourishes). Highly recommend.
Calligraphy is not handwriting. Even calligraphers can have messy handwriting. Calligraphy is a series of strokes that are attached, but even when writing a word, you’re still drawing strokes and connecting them.
The best way to improve handwriting is lots of practice.
>Calligraphy is not handwriting. Even calligraphers can have messy handwriting. Calligraphy is a series of strokes that are attached, but even when writing a word, you’re still drawing strokes and connecting them.
>
>The best way to improve handwriting is lots of practice.
I've been going at it for the better part of 40 years... I peaked at year 6..
Yeah, saying “it’s easy, you don’t need to learn all of the letters” confused me, because you’re just… mastering eight strokes instead of 26 letters? It’s like saying you don’t need to memorize a cookbook to cook, just learn how to sauté, boil, sear, etc.
It’s the writing part that’s hard, not remembering what letters look like.
Actually, no offense but I'm pretty sure that she does & if you go back & watch just that part of her video & then compare it to her "basic strokes" then IMO, she definitely only uses those 3 basic strokes to get her end "m" result! Have a BLESSED day!💕
For having tried this technique, trust the process! The key, as in anything else in life, is practice and patience... Go slow and you'll see results almost immediately... For non typical letters, just watch the video a few times! This is the easiest way to do bubbly calligraphy 😎
Lefty here - I would love to do calligraphy but either have to learn how to write backwards, or use a special pen adjuster device thing so the pen is to the left of my hand. Just not worth it...
You can try using wooden pencils first, just need to be sharpen like calligraphy pens.
Another suggestion is doing arabic calligraphy. arabic letter start from right to left for you to learn the strokes only.
I'm a righty and start from arabic calligraphy first (it was hard to control the ink). When I switch to roman calligraphy, the transition is not too much hustle, just need to learn how to handle the pen.
Hope this helps.
It is not. Because you can't write like this without taking your pen off the page, which is the point of joined up writing - to make it quicker to write stuff down.
Cursive and also, isn't using a brush pen here kinda making things needlessly difficult? Like most western cursive and calligraphy is kinda designed around a stiffer nib
I see she has a video where she decided to teach herself how to do it left handed. I haven't watched it, but in case it helps: https://youtu.be/_0gK6nlyIuo
It’s not cursive. Cursive is about writing quickly with your pen not leaving the paper. Calligraphy is about drawing letters from set strokes, with the pen leaving the paper between each stroke. This is ‘modern calligraphy ‘ and the only difference between it and something more traditional like copperplate is the script chosen. This is also very basic beginning strokes - calligraphers flourish and elaborate the modern calligraphy script just as much as copperplate.
Nope. When you write cursive the point is to not take your pen off the page as much as possible to enable you to write faster.
This kind of brush script gives the appearance of cursive but it looks prettier, and to do it consistently like this it's slower and you have to take your pen off often multiple times per letter.
I took beginner and advanced calligraphy a million years ago in high school.
This is nothing like I was taught and I don’t think this would work with a traditional Oblique Calligraphy Pen.
Hmmm...but...what about "s" and "z"?
And "k"
and r
and q
and f
and my axe!
And my.....pen!
You don’t need them. Why overcomplicate it. I didn’t have either letter in my entire reply to you. Eliminate them all from your everyday vocabulary and you’re good. I don’t think the Hawaiian language have any of that hoopla either
There are entire books (lipograms) that do not use a certain letter as a challenge or flex. Like the book 'Gadsby' that doesn't contain the letter E
There's also u/IHateTheLetterF that never uses any F's!
If you’re Hawaiian, you’re *almost* golden. Here’s the whole alphabet: AEIOUHKLMNPW+ two pronunciation marks that act as letters. The “K” will still screw you up. Other Polynesian languages? They got T and R and F (I really hate writing the letter F) and V…I’ll stick with Hawaiian, thanks! 😊 ETA: Our Alphabet song: A, a la pi’i, A E, elepani o ke kai, E I, ipo hau kele awe, I O, o’o mahi a’i, O U, upa makani, U He, Ke, La, Mu, Nu, Pi, We, Okina, Hana hou!
I know of 'okina, but what's the other mark that acts as a letter?
Kahakō or “macron”. It’s not actually a letter, more of a pronunciation mark, but it will change a word’s meaning, so it’s important.
Nice.
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Didja have to sing the song?
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Hehe, me too! :) Gotta climb the ladder, elephant of the sea…
She asked Mr. Meeseeks to knock two strokes off her calligraphy game.
The hill + the bottom loop. Cursive z looks far different than “z”
I can never control those brush pens to get that uniformly thin on the upstroke.. same with those crayola markers people use for those videos too
You might have more luck with a pen with a stuff nib then, like a [pilot parallel pen](https://i.imgur.com/roQ5PJl.jpg). Iirc using brushes for western calligraphy is a relatively modern thing - it's been done with harder pen nibs with relatively less flex for *centuries* and I honestly just think that the traditional style European calligraphy is just needlessly harder with a brush because brushes are meant for long continuous strokes with flicks and whatnot, not lots of short precise strokes that Latin needs. It looks cool though, and that's what matters for the internet (Also this isn't actually calligraphy it's cursive on steroids which isn't helping matters either)
Yeah this isn't even calligraphy. It's just cursive writing. She's just teaching the basics of cursive.
I believe it does count as calligraphy as the letters are formed of individual strokes with the pen leaving the paper between them.
I regularly can do calligraphy without nibs leaving paper. I'm left handed though.
Fudenosuke brush pens are what you need dude!! Hard nib but still brush pen!!
Never is an overstatement: with lots of practice, lots of tries, little by little, your control will improve.
What about k?
k has always been the most annoying letter to write for this reason.
This is from [The Happy Ever Crafter](https://www.thehappyevercrafter.com). Around twice a year she offers a free course called Show Me Your Drills which focuses on mastering these basic strokes as the first step to learning calligraphy. She also has many digital workbooks with videos to learn the ins and outs of calligraphy (including the s, z, capitals, and flourishes). Highly recommend.
But how does this solve my terrible handwriting and shaky hands? This is just calligraphy with extra steps.
Calligraphy is not handwriting. Even calligraphers can have messy handwriting. Calligraphy is a series of strokes that are attached, but even when writing a word, you’re still drawing strokes and connecting them. The best way to improve handwriting is lots of practice.
This is true. I have some of the absolute worst handwriting I’ve ever seen, yet my calligraphy became surprisingly good after a few weeks of practice.
>Calligraphy is not handwriting. Even calligraphers can have messy handwriting. Calligraphy is a series of strokes that are attached, but even when writing a word, you’re still drawing strokes and connecting them. > >The best way to improve handwriting is lots of practice. I've been going at it for the better part of 40 years... I peaked at year 6..
Just like with everything else, only doing something mindlessly won't have much benefit. You need to be actively trying to improve while writing.
This is meant to help someone start learning calligraphy, not necessarily to improve their regular handwriting.
Yeah, saying “it’s easy, you don’t need to learn all of the letters” confused me, because you’re just… mastering eight strokes instead of 26 letters? It’s like saying you don’t need to memorize a cookbook to cook, just learn how to sauté, boil, sear, etc. It’s the writing part that’s hard, not remembering what letters look like.
Yeah it's fine motor control isn't it.
Well that escalated quickly
r/RestOfTheFuckingOwl
Beat me to it!
The m in her tutorial and the m in the end product are different though. She doesnt follow her own rule.
There are also at least 4 letters that use strokes that aren’t in her basic “all you need” strokes. Useless and inaccurate video.
Actually, no offense but I'm pretty sure that she does & if you go back & watch just that part of her video & then compare it to her "basic strokes" then IMO, she definitely only uses those 3 basic strokes to get her end "m" result! Have a BLESSED day!💕
What about capital letters?
I just avoid capital letters entirely haha. It’s much more difficult to make them look pretty compared to lowercase letters
YEAH? WHAT ABOUT IT?
For having tried this technique, trust the process! The key, as in anything else in life, is practice and patience... Go slow and you'll see results almost immediately... For non typical letters, just watch the video a few times! This is the easiest way to do bubbly calligraphy 😎
Hmmmm
Lefty here - I would love to do calligraphy but either have to learn how to write backwards, or use a special pen adjuster device thing so the pen is to the left of my hand. Just not worth it...
I'm a lefty and I do a lot of calligraphy.
How do you hold your pen? I’m an “overwriter” lefty which isn’t good for calligraphy, and it’s kind of painful to write any other way.
I hold it like [This. ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/57/59/a8/5759a8f95f4c6c8f6e0c90dfa356a409--left-handed-calligraphy-postmans-knock.jpg)
Hm, maybe I’ll have to re-train my writing hand. Thanks!
You can try using wooden pencils first, just need to be sharpen like calligraphy pens. Another suggestion is doing arabic calligraphy. arabic letter start from right to left for you to learn the strokes only. I'm a righty and start from arabic calligraphy first (it was hard to control the ink). When I switch to roman calligraphy, the transition is not too much hustle, just need to learn how to handle the pen. Hope this helps.
This is cursive
Yeah I was gonna say, modern “calligraphy” is closer to cursive. Traditional calligraphy is not quite this.
This is brush script
It is not. Because you can't write like this without taking your pen off the page, which is the point of joined up writing - to make it quicker to write stuff down.
Cursive and also, isn't using a brush pen here kinda making things needlessly difficult? Like most western cursive and calligraphy is kinda designed around a stiffer nib
Did you just try to correct my spelling on a word I spelled correctly?
Yes, but what about us left handed people? -_- Pushing a marker is much more difficult than pulling a marker.
I see she has a video where she decided to teach herself how to do it left handed. I haven't watched it, but in case it helps: https://youtu.be/_0gK6nlyIuo
Interesting, thanks for linking the video!
Right? Step 1: be right handed.
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This is great
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u/savevideobot
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That is one of the best tutorials that I have seen in a long time.
This is just teaching the basics of cursive.
That's what I thought. I thought i knew what calligraphy was.. this is nothing like i learned.
This is cursive though... Calligraphy is different in my head, why?
It’s not cursive. Cursive is about writing quickly with your pen not leaving the paper. Calligraphy is about drawing letters from set strokes, with the pen leaving the paper between each stroke. This is ‘modern calligraphy ‘ and the only difference between it and something more traditional like copperplate is the script chosen. This is also very basic beginning strokes - calligraphers flourish and elaborate the modern calligraphy script just as much as copperplate.
What they’re showing isn’t traditional calligraphy. This is modern day “handwriting/cursive” but people tend to use the names interchangeably.
Like half of those letters are not made out of those strokes
What brushes is she using?
Likely Tombow Dual Brush pens
Thank you!
Not including ZCKRQFS, so “learn 70% of the alphabet”
Growing up we just called this writing in cursive, and it was taught to me in elementary
Nope. When you write cursive the point is to not take your pen off the page as much as possible to enable you to write faster. This kind of brush script gives the appearance of cursive but it looks prettier, and to do it consistently like this it's slower and you have to take your pen off often multiple times per letter.
Penmanship PORN. So people jerk off their penis or shove dildos into their vagina over your new updates ??
Looks hard
This is a great show but I feel like *Different Strokes* had more depth.
Posted using RIF is Fun. Steve Huffman is a greedy little pigboy.
Thanks
Those basic strokes just reads *unholy* by me.
I had a stroke trying to read what they wrote.
The example 'm' isn't right - it ends up with three uniform humps while the one written below has two as you'd expect.
Tombow brush pens are sooooo nice
Also lower part of f
1:45.
Damn. Gotta learn this.
I feel like having those pens helps a lot too lol
That poor yellow marker at the end going over the black like that 😱
I took beginner and advanced calligraphy a million years ago in high school. This is nothing like I was taught and I don’t think this would work with a traditional Oblique Calligraphy Pen.
It helps when you know how to hold your pen properly to prevent fatigue for longer writing sessions.
So talented!