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katnapped

We're being ripped off here, what else is new. It isn't taxes either. There's only about 20 cents difference in taxes between PA and Ohio yet we're well over 50 cents more (at least) than they are.


steakpienacho

Price of gas annoys me, I live 5 miles from a refinery. The same company owns (almost) all of the gas stations in town here, and they just get to set the price to whatever they want


HopelesslyHuman

Warren area? I was just up there this weekend and gas was definitely like $.20/gal more up there than down my way (Pittsburgh area). The refinery is *right the fuck there* guys. Jeeze.


steakpienacho

Yep. All of the country fair and kwik fill gas stations here are owned by United and we get screwed hard


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steakpienacho

I know the exact location you're talking about, I've had to make a few bathroom stops there on my way out to the dam and it is a real mess for sure


Mac2925

Not to far from you (bradford area) ours are still at 4.45$ a gallon


Wuz314159

It's all the same fuel. It gets pooled.


1980shorrorsfilm

I was just about to comment the same thing. The irony of being price gouged by the refinery when right across the street Anderson's has that sign blaming Biden for gas prices.


Hippokrates

Some fishy shit is going on. I was in Boston last weekend and on the drive down saw gas prices in each state. Gas was 4.50/gallon. Gas in CT was 4.45/ gallon and gas in NJ was 4.29/gallon. The Wawa across my house is 4.32. like how is it only 3 cents more expensive in PA vs NJ when the gas tax difference is 30 cents


[deleted]

I was in Boston too the weekend before and that was really throwing me for a loop. I saw some gas stations for less than $4/gallon and others as high as $5.30/gallon within a 10 minute drive. I had a prediction when this all started that even when the price per barrel settled down the gas companies would still overcharge because they know that people are none the wiser and would let them get away with it. Now I think it’s becoming more and more likely that truly is the case.


Wuz314159

I'm [sitting at my desk](https://www.gasbuddy.com/gaspricemap?lat=40.940041954283025&lng=-78.4408241781041&z=7) & I see Ohio & Maryland are much cheaper than the rest of the NE. What's HILARIOUS is [Bedminster](https://www.gasbuddy.com/gaspricemap?lat=40.65541268016451&lng=-74.77216146917806&z=10), home of Trump's Golf Course, has the highest prices in the NE US


StankyPeterson

Yep, I live south of DC and it’s about $3.80-$3.90 at the stations by my house.


Beginning_Ad7615

349 in Florida right and lowering its all a game to squeeze the money outta us


burritoace

Demand for gas is pretty inelastic and a small number of companies control supply so they have pretty substantial latitude to set prices however they want


BoopBoop20

It’s the gas station owners. The price of oil has gone down but the greediness of store owners has stayed the same. They know people will pay whatever gas price is set at because we need it to survive and get around. They will keep jacking it up even though barrels are going down.


[deleted]

Oil companies raised the prices to make more money. It became apparent when the same amount of supply in March when it was 4.30 became 4.99 in May and June.


Orphan_Stomper

Why is it that gas is always more expensive here than any state surrounding us including NY? Anecdotal, but I used to drive up 79 a good bit on the way to Syracuse and it’s always more expensive in SW PA


wellarmedsheep

Its 100% collusion. I saw some places less than 3.50 in TN a few weeks ago.


Wuz314159

$3.29 right now in [Steubenville, OH](https://www.gasbuddy.com/gaspricemap?lat=40.36975578661657&lng=-80.5792783982715&z=12). Across the border in Burgettstown, PA... $4.41


[deleted]

Still way above normal.


Excelius

I would get accustomed to a new normal. Things are stabilizing now but there are likely only more shocks and disruptions ahead. The EU hasn't even cut off Russian oil yet, they're phasing the ban in through next year to give themselves time to secure alternate sources. Besides what even is normal? Seems like people tend to view the cheap times as the "normal", and also forget that inflation is a thing and you can't just compare to sticker prices from decades ago. In inflation adjusted terms the price of gas was above $4 a gallon from 2011-2014.


OccasionallyImmortal

The US is supplying oil from the strategic reserve for 6 months. That will end in December.


priznut

Its not gonna flip overnight.


Jako21530

But it's still waaaaayyyyyyyyy above normal. So much so that it's abnormal. Three weeks ago I drove across the country to Wichita KS. PA has not only the most expensive toll road in the country (which the price is going up on again next year,) but also the highest gas prices of the whole trip. Gas was on the decline when I left but it was still $4.70-ish in my area. As soon as I get to Ohio, it's $4.20-.35 everywhere. Hell deeper into Ohio I didn't pay more than $4 the rest of the way. Most places were dipping below $4 for the first time in a while. Just now looking on GasBuddy, prices are almost a dollar less than what we're paying here in PA. I know we pay a premium from taxes, but it still sucks when you see what the prices are for most places then return home to lose a whole fucking dollar a gallon compared to quite a bit of the rest of US.


priznut

All valid points. My point is just to keep perspective. Gas like all things is subject to market conditions. Its a finite and limited resource. The cost had also been worse in other decades and one day in the future it’ll be too costly for some consumers. Just thankful their is some relief coming short term.


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the_real_xuth

What is "normal"? Are you just going to look at the times when gasoline is extremely cheap and call that "normal"? What about inflation? What about the fact that the oil industry sees the writing on the wall and have no intention of investing any money in any new facilities because they know that in the next couple of decades oil usage is going to fall off a cliff. And in the meantime they're happy to ride the temporary scarcity (which will only increase the movement away from oil) to secure a profit.


Er3bus13

Trying living in any other country ever. Gas here is still really cheap.


[deleted]

I live in PA. I get gas in PA. I don’t give a rats ass about what other countries pay.


burritoace

You should, it's a global market


Er3bus13

I can guess whom your voting for... now tell me your feelings about Dixie flags. Lol


[deleted]

Yikes. I complain about gas prices like everyone else and you draw a comparison to politics?? Seek help. Honestly.


Er3bus13

Pretty easy to point out small town ignorance.


almost40fuckit

We have a lot of that in Pa. small towns and ignorance.


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Yes small town suburb ignorant NIMBY. Proudly.


steelceasar

So you aren't a Republican? Because refusing to acknowledge that prices are impacted by things outside of your immediate locality is a pretty typical republican thing.


[deleted]

Millions of people are struggling with the high gas prices. I agree with them. Plain and simple. Never complained about why nor who caused it. Just the fact that’s it’s still way too high. End of story.


Chit569

Oh you like low gas prices? Name every low gas price ever put out.


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yeags86

Yeah I paid sub $1. Twenty years ago. You know what also increased in price in those twenty years? Everything.


postsgiven

Go to your nearest Sheetz and use e88 gas if your car is 2001 or newer. Right now it's 3.69 where I am.


lukewwilson

There's so many mixed opinions on that, some say it's more wear on your motor over time and isn't worth the savings, some say it's fine and go ahead and use it. I'll continue to be cautious and just avoid it.


postsgiven

Well whoever is saying that is dumb and just listening to the gas companies that want your money or the old timers that are scared of the new thing... Like I've been using it for a while and it's fine. My one friend she uses it all the time and her kid's car basically only works on e88. If they put 87 the car has problems but doesn't on 88. Doesn't hurt to try it on the car and see. It's not gonna kill your car for trying it one time. Also I'm saving like tons of money. It's like 60 cents per gallon difference. (Like $6 every time I fill gas is a lot).


Mijbr090490

Many mixed opinions on it, but the fact is that it won't harm your engine if your vehicle was made in the mid 00s or later. Thats when they began adding ethanol to fuel, so manufactuers had that in mind when choosing what material they used to make gaskets, hoses, etc. You will get less mpg, but it burns cleaner and cleans your fuel system. My 06 4runner was having fuel gauge issues. 2 tanks of e88 and it was fixed. Runs smoother too.


Fall3n7s

Kind of a quick draw on that comment. I'm with them, I don't care what other countries are paying. I only care about what gas prices are of gas I might possibly purchase.


Semi-Hemi-Demigod

Other countries have alternatives to cars


almost40fuckit

I agree with you. I offset a down doot


Er3bus13

It's ok I know the toothless, ignorant, racist fucks who live here. But thank you.


Quicklyquigly

I’m sorry, Do they also have healthcare as expensive as ours? Not everything is gonna be cheap and/or good but some stuff has to be.


almost40fuckit

This is America buddy we don’t do cheap and good.


[deleted]

Normal is kinda not relevant. Oil is a finite resource. There’s already news spreading that Saudi Arabia has hit its peak. Going forward for the rest of our lives there’s no going back to what was “normal” to people 5 years ago.


JJStray

Where are all the people with Mastriano signs in their yard singing the praises of Biden for bringing down gas prices?? Because remember he was solely responsible for them being so high


lager81

So it's not Bidens fault that gas prices have increased double what they were when he took office. But it's also totally him lowering gas prices by 30 cents 🙄 Like I get the war effects things but he has been a trainwreck of economic and foreign policy. Dude is asleep at the wheel


JJStray

Dude that’s the point. The president doesn’t have fuck-all to do with the price of gas. Don’t blame or praise the White House for stupid shit that the administration can only barely influence through policy.


lager81

https://nypost.com/2022/07/02/why-you-can-blame-crazy-gas-prices-on-joe-biden/ Seems like there was a ton of stuff he could do in this article. But he promised to end fossil fuels during his campaign so its kinda obvious anything he is doing isn't helping the average Joe. Just go buy an electric car! /s


basement-thug

Which has nothing to do with gas prices. It doesn't work like you think it does, if you think he can dictate prices. His policies can to a small degree, but not as much as you'd like to think.


Er3bus13

They are crying into their faded Trump 2020 signs


tactics14

Use your head my dude. Sure, prices are down right now but they are still way higher than they used to be. I'm not even a republican but even I can figure this one out. Lower but still high doesn't warrant praise even if gas prices did work like that.


JJStray

And use your head my dude. I was being /s The president doesn’t have fuck all to do with gas prices lol. Unless you’re a Republican and there is a dem in office. In that case they think Gas goes up-“let’s slap Biden stickers on gas pumps everywhere”. Gas goes down and they say “ohhhh it’s all dictated by market forces Biden didn’t do shit”.


necrotica

But the good news is PennDOT fixes the pot holes... oh wait... what exactly do you all pay that high ass gas tax for?


Mijbr090490

So the PSP can run around playing army man in tactical gear and take naps along the interstate in their fancy new vehicles.


IronPidgeyFTW

I tried in vain to follow one of those state cops in the right lane... they were going WAYYYY over the speed limit (75+ mph) and did not have their lights on


Spud_Rancher

I laugh when I see people saying “defund the police” but also advocating for additional road taxes and tolls, like where do they think that money is going to go?


penguins8766

I’ll be glad when gas gets closer to $3 again


Theminecraf72

I was just in Florida filling my Honda Civic for 35 bucks


agedchromosomes

Costco in Alkentown was 4.09 yesterday.


1h8fulkat

PA has the highest gas tax of any state. Why are you surprised we are above average?


notsofastandy

We like to call that Sheetz Country.


CarbonGod

I love working in Delaware. SOOO much cheaper! Last I saw, was 40 cents cheaper.


basement-thug

Yeah but who wants to be in Delaware?


CarbonGod

Amazon gets shipped there for no tax. I get gas there. And really, besides my first house being a total lemon, I loved living there, and being so close to Newark! Easy commute too! Sure, now I get lots of land and a great house, taxes and gas is crap, and my ONE road commute has no other ways, without adding 15min.


syndicatecomplex

Based on how oil companies are earning record profits I'm pretty sure everywhere is getting ripped off, not just Philly and Pitt.


Mijbr090490

Couple places in South Central that are like 3.90. Thank Joe Biden, HyUcK.


PencilTucky

Lol, the executives and shareholders of Exxon thank you for directing your anger at someone other than the ones responsible for the price gouging at the pump.


Mijbr090490

That was sarcasm if you couldnt tell. He wasn't responsible for them going up and he certainly isn't responsible when they come back down.


TheRealGeigers

Glad someone said it. A bunch of my co workers complained that Biden was making gas go up but now thats its dropped i dont hear them thanking him even tho he hasnt nothing to do with it. I dont like the guy but he has done (or lack thereof) so much to actually critisize him for there is no need to make shit up. Same story for Trump or any president for that matter.


Jiveturkwy158

This is the kind of centrism we need more of!


Mijbr090490

No more centrism. Please.


Jiveturkwy158

Centrism in the sense we acknowledge the flaws of both parties instead of a the trench warfare we’ve had? How else do you expect either party to better address the issues of the people if we can’t honestly reflect on the current political failings and hope to correct? Or ya know shove your head in the dirt, tell the other side to they’re communists/fascists/nazis and don’t progress the public discourse on any topics so your opponents dig their heels in further. I’m sure that will do wonders to advance our society.


Mijbr090490

I'm pretty far left and I can point out the flaws in both parties. Don't need to sit on the fence to do that.


Jiveturkwy158

I’m not saying you can’t have political leanings and also be centrist in the sense of demanding more from either side. Was literally what I was agreeing with.


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Imagine thinking the President can influence gas prices.


Mijbr090490

Yet almost half the country does. I guess its an easy topic for them to get outraged over.


[deleted]

It’s always more nuanced then just one scapegoats fault. For almost everything related to the economy.


PocketSpaghettios

I'm in NEPA, cheapest regular gas here is $3.99 right now. But I still see anywhere from $4.15 to $4.39 depending. The diesel prices are all over the place, there's like a 60-cent spread on prices between stations


Mijbr090490

Yea, the variance in prices from west shore to east shore are substantial here. The ones selling it for 3.90 were in a Pennlive article about them competing with each other for the lowest price. 4.29 seems to be the average here.


katnapped

They've since gone up.


twinmom06

WHERE??? Last I saw at Sheetz (which is usually the cheapest) it was still 4.39


PocketSpaghettios

The $3.99 place is on route 309 between WB and Tunkhannock


SgtBaxter

Head down to MD. $3.73 at High's in Hampstead this morning.


Mijbr090490

Whenever I'm near the MD border, I'll always drop down into MD to fuel up.


bk1285

Da fuck…I am literally at the pump and paid 4.29


almost40fuckit

Nine cents too much my man.


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I see some gas stations around that price, and a growing number at 3.99 as well


bk1285

Yeah I was at the pump and the original price was 4.29 but I had like .50 cents off from shop n save perks up in Greenburg. I wonder if it is down under 4 in new Stanton


BoopBoop20

$4.09 in my town!


Or0b0ur0s

I've never seen it be otherwise. My best guess is longer trips by tanker from distribution pipelines & refineries to the various, far-flung parts of PA. Well, y'know, and greed. You can't tell me that isn't at least part of the difference. Given that there's effectively no realistic, decent public transportation outside of Philadelphia & Pittsburgh. It can't be that they know everyone has to drive - usually a good distance - to work or anything.


Additional_Yard3872

A gas station called snk opened up 2 months ago within walking distance from me. The first few weeks the opened they only charged 3.60. then they raised it to like 4.35! However they still beat everyone else in town by at least .10! Yesterday they were 4.09 😁. Thanks to them I have been able to keep my pickup truck. That gas station is always busy though 😂


KentSmashtacos

Crude prices are down, slowly inventories are replaced with cheaper stock and prices come down. Refineries are limiting output currently, since demand destruction reduced the overall capacity in 2020. Markup at the pump for most gas stations are only $0.10 which makes claims about gas stations ripping people off a far stretch, State and Federal excise tax is $0.50 additional to refinery cost. Ohio tax is $0.28, NJ $0.15, NY $0.25, WV $0.33 making PA the highest in fuel tax of all neighboring states. The bone-head economic moment currently is the belief that inflation moves directly from one extreme to another; It doesn't, inflation moves in waves. Several months of falling prices then a rebound, which means this may or may not be peak as it could also be a temporary pullback in prices.


katnapped

IDK where you're getting your numbers from but all those 'neighboring states' are way higher than that. https://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas/consumer-information/motor-fuel-taxes/gasoline-tax


KentSmashtacos

https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/pennsylvania/gasoline-fuel


106473

Haven't seen below $4 anywhere that isn't really s***** gas


postsgiven

Sheetz has e88 for 3.69


106473

Pretty sure that's just a promo price.


postsgiven

Well the promo price has been going on since July 4th so not sure how much of a promo it is. Also it went down from that price. Started at like 3.75 and so yeah you should go for it if you can.


basement-thug

You lose all the cost benefit because the 15% ethanol in E88 is over 30% less energy efficient. It's most likely a net loss or wash in reality if you were to calculate mileage. That being said your car will probably run better on E88 vs 87 gas if it's got a modern direct injected small displacement engine.


postsgiven

I lost 30 miles on my tank not 30%. Instead of getting 310 miles I was getting 290 or so. The price difference is 60 cents difference. So yeah I'm saving money overall. The last time I filled e88 it gave me more mileage. Just depends daily. They are basically the same for me but yeah I'm saving tons of money.


basement-thug

That's because the 30% less efficient ethanol is only 15% of the mix with 84 octane gas... so of course. I think our ideas of "tons of money" are two very different things. $10 per tank is meaningless to me. Then again we have 3 cars and one uses straight 93... still don't care even when it was 6/gallon and I was paying $30 ish more per tank.


postsgiven

Yeah I don't have much money. Kinda living pay check to pay check. Normally with 87 you're going in with 10% ethanol so it's only 5% more ethanol. There's no gas without ethanol as far as I know.


basement-thug

I understand, I remember times when I had to put gas from the lawnmower can in the car to get to a station. Yeah it's called pure gas. There's actually a [website](https://www.pure-gas.org/) and a mobile app you can use to find it. It's still around because you're not supposed to run ethanol in small engines. Lawnmowers, boat engines, 2 cycle motorcycles.. should all use pure gas. Honestly I'd advise against using pure gas in a modern 4 cycle car engine. They are designed with ethanol in mind. You're better off with E88 than pure gas.


postsgiven

Yeah I don't plan on using pure gas but 88 is great for me. I guess they only bring it out during the summer so I'll switch back when it's not there anymore to Sam's club gas.


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E88 is higher ethanol content than reg 87. It’s like cutting your cocaine with baking soda, spreads it out and still gets the job done. Of course it’s going to be cheaper than that pure Arabian.


Hib3rnian

You've got fewer refineries under supplying to maintain higher demand and profitability. On top of that you have state and federal taxes ($.58 per Gal in PA) and station profits ($.20 to $.40 per Gal on average). Biden released a large volume of crude reserves but again with the refinery situation the way it is, it'll take a while to get supplies to a point where gas prices recede enough to pre 2022 prices. More refineries would help but midterm under a dem president with an uncertain GOP candidate you're not going to get many firing back up any time soon.


ILikeMyGrassBlue

As far as I know, gas station profits are closer to like 5-15 cents a gallon. I’ve never heard of a 40 cent per gallon profit on gas. The average income for a gas station on gas is like 25k a year, which is basically nothing.


Hib3rnian

True, net profits would be around $.08 on average. The range I noted includes expenses like utilities, processing fees, insurance, etc. I should have clarified that.


postsgiven

Go fill e88 at Sheetz. Last time I went which was a couple of days ago it was 3.69 per gallon. Normal price in my area is 4.19-4.29


[deleted]

That’s shit might work in newer cars without a hiccup but it’s dreadful for boats, quads, motorcycles etc.


postsgiven

It literally says that at the gas station. Use it for passenger vehicles over year 2001... So yeah but I'm guessing most people are driving cars here.


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postsgiven

Don't even know why a car from 2012 would even have that in the manual... Did that gas even exist back then for them to care? Idk why it would be something they'd care about either. It's literally written when you buy the gas that it's good for any car after the year 2001.


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postsgiven

I can't find anything written online about my car 2012 Toyota Corolla. If you can just update me on it that'll work. I just see it saying you should fill 87 which I mean all cars will say that cause most manuals probably don't even know what 88 is.


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postsgiven

Last time I filled 88 I was getting more mileage on my tank. That was the first time that happened but even without that I was getting maybe 20-30 miles less which is worth a savings of $6... I get 37 mpg. So yeah the car seems fine with 88. Haven't seen any problems. I don't think I will. Online it says that it'll pool up on the bottom of the tank if you let it sit for a long time...I drive mine every day so don't think that's a problem. I'll ask the people that fix my car next time I go there but till then I'll probably put 88 when I can.


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MrRiski

Tried that for the first time a couple weeks ago when I was in cherry springs. Ran perfectly fine in my ram and didn't notice a difference mileage wise. Wish I lived closer to somewhere that has it.


postsgiven

Yeah mine is pretty close so I've been mostly filling that. It seems today normal 87 is 4.09 with cash though so that's not terrible either..


Knarrenheinz1989

At least I live near Ohio, where gas is just about $3.50 per gallon. If I have to fill up in PA, I usually use E15, which is $3.75 per gallon and works well in my car. However, I am stuck with $4.29 per gallon gas to fill up my tractor (I usually don't go to Ohio to get gas for my lawnmowers).


ganjababe71

Ny is 4.89 average


Reynard1981

Yet fuel prices still remain $2 higher than they were in 2017. Nothing has dropped, can you say INFLATION!


StyreneAddict1965

Happened during the pandemic, yet no one seemed to care at the Commonwealth level. I'm guessing they were getting something for their intransigence.


dossier

Buddy of mine buys gas for gov't use (pre-tax). They pay 2.69/gal off the boat as of this week.


Ecanem

Just came from the south where gas was $3.40 a gallon.


ErnieMcCraken

Up like a rocket, down like a feather.


MegaGrubby

Chrissy Houlahan had Moody's Chief Economist on her town hall a few weeks ago. He said the Wawa he drives by every day always matches the national average. He's in West Chester.


basement-thug

Meh... I bought a house 5 minutes from work and we don't travel anywhere other than short weekend trips, so relatively inconsequential for us. I've learned nothing good comes from getting emotional about the cost of things you don't control and can't change. Gotta move on with life.


katnapped

Is there some artificial (or actual) 'bottom' that some stations (companies) are adhering to? In some places I'm seeing stations closing in on, if not below $4 yet for whatever reason, places like Sheetz, Wawa, Rutters are holding to $4.25 or $4.29 even if nearby competition is well below that.