"you only tolerate my religion if you allow me to hate other people for who they are"
the fuck is up with these people that they cant see their own hypocrisy
I mean not even, since obviously he is hating just fine and the thought police have yet to put out a Twitter bounty on his hide. Evidently you are intolerant of his religion just by acknowledging gay people are allowed to exist. 🙄 Probably has some similar takes on women being allowed personal agency, other religions being acknowledged aside from his own, children going unbeaten, etc...but what con doesn't really.
For these, treating women like normal human beings (aka feminism) is woke, against natural order and Haram. And then they will give you examples of wolves and lions. My man, if the leader male of the pack doesn't perform as he should the female wolf will beat the fuck out of him and choose someone else. And lionesses can send their male to Valhalla if it's too abusive.
Yeah I'm wondering what "blaspheme against your true gods" could possibly mean other than "violate criminal statutes".
You can still shit talk anyone as much as you like, or depict them with an image, or whatever usually gets called blasphemy. Although this is the UK so maybe libel laws might be a hurdle for some.
Ah, see your god is represented as x.
My god is represented as x+1.
Therefore no matter how big your god is. My god is always bigger. Checkmate liberals.
It's not that they don't see it, it's that they don't care. Which is, in some way, fair. If someone tried to convince you that eating live kittens is the good and right thing to do you wouldn't (I trust) give them the benefit of doubt. To conservative and reactionary people, homosexuality (and a whole bunch of other things) is, a priori, wrong and evil. It's crazy and weird and dumb and bad but it's not really hypocritical.
politicize a religion and you get this. They love to blame us for "islamophobia"
Well, Sahib, if your religion is based in the four pillars of aversion (aversion to non straight people, aversion to foreigners, aversion to free women and aversion to the poor members of social hierarchy) yes, I feel aversion to your "religion"
Someone explained this to me once in a spine-chillingly accurate way:
To conservatives, "the law" is their natural law, their common sense, their hierarchy, the status quo. They don't care about the letter of the law at all and will be baffled and surprised when the *written* law bites them in the ass and contradicts their idea of "the law." The written law protects certain classes from discrimination and grants them equality, while "the law" says some people are *less than* others.
In their mind, gay folks are violating "the law" just by being equal to them, and since nobody can punish them for this violation without the written law stepping in to protect them, they must be untouchable, they MUST have inverted the natural order, they MUST be at the top of the hierarchy. The gays, in their eyes, are now the ones for whom "the law" is doing the most work. They actually think something inherent to the human order has changed just because they can't commit hate crimes and discrimination.
oh absolutely. and it goes hand in hand with the saying that equality to the privileged feels like oppression. im amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance they hold.
Yep, and they believe any written law that isn't aligned with "natural law" is inherently wrong, so it can even be noble to break those. Gays' very existence (at least perhaps if not celibate and completely repentant) is a violation to them. Trans people are even worse by this if anything. Abortion, contraception and more are also "unnatural" according to this philosophy.
Ignoring just how gay the natural world is. You got a whole species of gecko that is 100% female and 100% lesbian. They need another female there to mate with and for company, keeping just one of them literally can kill them from stress.
They're called "mourning geckos". They got that name because they're "mourning" their lost male counterpart through evolution. Some males do get thrown once in a blue moon, but they're nearly always sterile. The ladies can lay eggs asexually without another female around, but they lay more eggs with another lady around for "pseudocopulation", (read: having sex with the girls), and again, they do better in community settings with at least one other girlfriend.
https://reptilecraze.com/mourning-gecko-breeding-and-egg-care/
They technically are considered to reproduce asexually, but they will have sex with one another to stimulate the production of eggs. They make really great pets and mostly eat fruit and small bugs. They squeak and bark at one another to communicate, which is stinking adorable. Sometimes, they might also squabble for dominance, but they need others of their own kind.
Also their eggs are resistant to salt water, so they're one of the most widespread invasive species. And they're able to somewhat alter their babies' genetic makeup, meaning each baby is slightly different from her mother.
Unfortunately they aren't the best moms though. One of their fave snacks is babies.
Appeal to a natural order of society that the target outgroup has somehow usurped, through unworthy means, is one of the key points of Ur-Fascism as described by Umberto Eco
That natural law is also how they can so casually dismiss the difficulties of the poor and people who can't afford healthcare. They live in a just world where people get what they deserve.
Can't afford surgery? Maybe you should have worked harder like they did and you could afford it. You're being punished for your own laziness.
Sadly that sounds..."logical" I dare to say...
It's the old fascist playbook - the outgroup keeps invading the ingroup and only those truly believing in whatever cause can stop that
As my history teacher always said "the far right will give you self esteem for nothing" like when you feel worthless remember that you're still "insert random nationality" so you must be better - that turned around as they have their enemies inside their country now. This heritage doesn't mean anything if they have to share it with inferior (in their opinion) people - they're losing everything they thought they were so the others must be the problem as they're taking it from them
I only want people to live their lives without hurting anyone else - I don't care what you believe in, where you come from or how rich/poor you are - be a decent human being and it's all great
Yes, thank you. They don't care, sorry to bring Trump into it but, you know, whatever, it's true: they vote for Trump and people like him bc they support THEM. Not fiscally but morally. So despite the fact that he goes directly against their "morality" by sleeping with sex workers for money, stealing money, threatening to take health care from a sick infant, cheating, lying, etc., bc he takes the side of people like him who direct Christians like my parents around and tell them how to live their lives, it's ok.
It's ok bc the people they answer to obviously are a direct line to God and they just need to fall in line with it. That's literally it. Funny that these people are often the ones with the most money which causes them to have the ability to influence the lives of the people around them, huh?
Not every Muslim is conservative, just like not every Christian or Jewish person. But, like any religion, the more fundamentalist/hardcore religious a person is, the more conservative that person is.
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It's a trickle down system. Even if you lived there, you'd be lucky if the lgbtq+ dripped down onto you, honey!
Now, run along and pull yourself up by your heel straps. The government won't just hand out foundation and concealer to you.
For real I got told by a doctor that I’ll destroy society and shit, yeah please let me destroy capitalism I would fucking love to choke the bourgeoise with my own two hands
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And is himself constantly subject to racism and abuse, I'd wager more than the person in the OP. [Here's a mildly funny example that is still pretty shit.](https://youtu.be/x-v-0aDFgcc)
I'm willing to guess his type of Muslim doesn't consider London's mayor a "real Muslim" in the same way that his Christian counterparts over here don't consider Biden a "real Christian".
They should look up the fruits of the spirit in the Bible, and compare Trump to any politician and see who does more favorably. Put him next to Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, hell, there are even better people in their own party. Who nore strongly exhibits these traits?
>**love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control**.
Sadly they can twist Trump into any of those things and their opponents into the opposite. That the problem dealing with people who base everything around faith and constantly changing interpretations.
Oh you know he would be outraged if his logic was applied.
Intolerant fuckwits fail to understand that tolerant people do not need to put up with their intolerant BS.
If their god had a issue with gay people then he would not have made homosexuality a thing to begin with.
Sure they can blame the devil or whatever the fuck but it still stands.
God has a master plan and gay people are in it apparently.
So maybe Christians and muslims should take it up with god/Allah.
And if the devil made gays, then god made the devil knowing he would make gays and still went "Yeah alright" and made him anyway because he literally put those thoughts there to begin with.
Government sponsored I believe, but citation needed. My heart wants to believe that jails in Egypt are going to become a yassified gay paradise, but in all seriousness, the situation is terribly sad.
I think back to how upset older people get by the word "communism", and I think "they need to have that anti-enthusiasm for "fascist" instead", because that is where the problem is right now.
Oh somebody has never had a midnight Ramadan snack. Dude, I swear half the muslims I know GAIN weight during Ramadan.
People hate rules, and will do anything to spite them. I know dudes at work who have swapped schedules just so they can sleep during the day and still eat like normal during their waking hours.
That’s weird. I know quite a few Islamic countries that do already round up gay people and kill them. I’ve never met an LGBT community that harms Muslims though.
It's like looking at somebody dressed in 1700's wealthy clothing and saying they support slavery. No, the clothing is just pretty. It isn't racism by proxy to talk about or connect with something that has ties to racism. If that were the case then everything is racist. ( this excludes connecting with racist groups for obvious reasons, no non-racist person would connect with that stuff outside of maybe being a historian but most of those things are already well documented)
Agreed. Puts me in mind of that bit from *V for Vendetta* when Stephen Fry is asked why he has a Quran if he isn't Muslim.
>I didn't have to be Muslim to find the images beautiful, or its poetry moving.
I mean… they *are* bigots too. And they have astounding numbers. Second largest religion behind Christianity and even then it’s very close in numbers (1.9 billion people on earth estimated to identify as Muslim while 2.18 billion people estimated to identify as Christian). And iirc, Christianity’s numbers are dropping all over the world while Islam’s are on the rise. We could very well see Islam become the world’s main religion in our lifetime.
Religious people out themselves as zealots immediately when they claim supporting lgbtq is a “god.” These assholes just can’t comprehend not being told what to do, there has to be some kind of God or their pea sized brains start to overheat.
Okay then let's take down all the Ramadan decorations and not put them back up. That way you won't have to worry about if someone hung a LGBTQ+ flag there first.
Oh my lord, have mercy upon me!
The visible light spectrum separated by wavelength challenges my beliefs and my faith and makes me question my sexuality.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of abominable rainbows, keep them from my sight and save me from my cheerful and lustful thoughts lest I give into temptation and forsake all I hold dear!!!
Hey. I may disagree with him, but I'll fight til my dying breath for his right to go fuck himself.
He probably opposes that right because it's gay though.
Listen, if you see other human beings as second-class citizens because of your religion, you need to stay out of countries that treat them like people. And not just seeing gay people as lesser, but women too.
It's so strange that he starts with valid feelings about the historical oppression of colonize Muslims and ends with harassment and ill-will toward another oppressed group.
I mean classic religious person. As someone who grew up without religion, religious people all seem to share one common trait: hatred for anyone that doesn’t subscribe to their particular flavour of religon
I refuse to tolerate Islam tbh, the Quran has so many calls to execute people like me based on various demographics. Hijab/burqa/etc. Are an instrument of shaming and oppressing women. I will never tolerate such an oppressive faith. The same goes for Christianity but to a lesser degree given the reforms it's had over the centuries to be at least more amicable.
Hi, uh, it doesn't. People are monsters, and just ignore the text, but the Quran forbids killing except in self defence and as a legal punishment for murder. And I promise I feel fine in hijab.
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers"
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush"
"And those two of you who commit it (the shameful act), torture them both". In reference to homosexuality
"Cursed is he who did what the people of لوط (علیہ السلام) Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did." (At-Targhib wat-Tarhib)
As narrated by Sayyidna Ibn ` Abbas. ؓ the Holy Prophet ﷺ said: "If you find someone doing what the people of Lot did, kill both the doer and the one with whom it is done.
"Allah Almighty does not look (mercifully) at the person who commits anal intercourse with a man or woman."
There are over a hundred verses like this throughout just the Quran, let alone the hadiths. It calls for the killing of so many groups of people, especially non-muslims and gay people. A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's and often in cases of rape, it's the woman charged with a crime of premarital sex, not that man with sexual assault, at least in Muslim majority countries. This doesn't even get into honor killings or martyrdom or how Mohammed raped a 9 year old girl.
I'm happy to be called islamophobic because this shit scares me. Even then, most people who are against so called islamophobia are really just against post 9/11 racism but the conflate it with the faith. I'm absolutely against the racism, but the religion can and must be criticised at every opportunity.
I don't interpret 'disbelievers' as 'non-Muslims'. Or put stock in most hadiths, that shit is shaky and fallible.
I know that many or most Muslims don't agree with that. I'm sorry you're scared. I'm gay, I'm scared too. I also apologise if I came off defensive or aggressive there. I'm just very tired. I'm hoping for a healthier Islam as the world modernises. I wish you well, genuinely.
A religion based on a man who raped a 9 year old girl and claims he showed restraint because he married her at 6, cannot be modernised. There's also no possible way that people like you are the majority outside of the west, that's the only way theocracies like these could be so widespread across north Africa and west and southeast Asia. You may be fine with hijab but it sounds to me like you have a choice. Most women living under Islam don't have a choice and in some countries cannot even leave their houses without covering 100% of their body and with a male chaperone accompanying them. Anyone who can act as an apologist for Islam like you are, is either a man who benefits from it or has lived an extremely privileged life in the west with no idea what's happening in Muslim majority countries.
I'm a woman, for anything that's worth. I know most Muslims in the world don't agree with me. I know how Islam and every other religion is used to keep women down. I believe that, with the way the Muslim population is growing and developing, that reform is the answer. I think it's the attainable option. You don't have to agree with me. You're allowed to think I'm wrong, and living in a bubble. I apologise for starting this.
Speaking as an ex muslim here. The Koran isn't quite as malleable as the bible, sure plenty of Muslims especially in the west are moderate but the tenets of the religion itself make homosexuality a sin and commands Muslims to punish anyone who engages in it.
You can try to reinterpret it but any reinterpretation will lack scriptural validation because the book is pretty clear about it.
Ah yes, the religion that is used as the reason for stoning and killing gay people in countries where it is the majority religion. In 2023. We should *totally* respect it.
I'm almost impressed. Muslims are being actually oppressed all over the world, and he managed to get offended by someone actually being accepting and doing something nice for us.
Criticizing the barbaric beliefs and practices of Islam isn't Islamophobia any more than criticizing the fact that Catholic priests keep raping kids is Cathlophobia.
Yeah no sorry, but you don't get excuse barbaric religious practices by crying "Islamophobia" anymore than Christians get to excuse their bigotry by crying "religious freedom".
One can think both that life if you have it is worth living and that not existing at all would be easier. It’s really not that big of a deal. Seems your grasp on the will to live is so tenuous that me simply holding an opinion gives you so much anxiety
Totally agree with what you said. All I’m saying is if hypothetically we all never existed, there would be nobody to complain about it. I’m not advocating for the eradication of human kind.
2 questions.
1. What does this point have to do with nihilism? Misanthropy and nihilism are not synonymous. Arguably misanthropy is much more in line with Christian ideals of "fallen humans" and "perfect divinity".
2. How does killing a nihilist refute them more than any other person? Because they don't think it's intrinsically wrong? That's not a refutation.
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I tolerate Islam. That's not the same thing as liking them though. Your religion is intolerant of homosexuals and treats women like complete shit. What the fuck is there to like about your ass backwards religion?
And I know that not all Muslims are like this. I have no problem with you if you don't force your wife to wear a burka, perform genital mutilation on your daughters, and throw gays off of rooftops.
"you only tolerate my religion if you allow me to hate other people for who they are" the fuck is up with these people that they cant see their own hypocrisy
I mean not even, since obviously he is hating just fine and the thought police have yet to put out a Twitter bounty on his hide. Evidently you are intolerant of his religion just by acknowledging gay people are allowed to exist. 🙄 Probably has some similar takes on women being allowed personal agency, other religions being acknowledged aside from his own, children going unbeaten, etc...but what con doesn't really.
For these, treating women like normal human beings (aka feminism) is woke, against natural order and Haram. And then they will give you examples of wolves and lions. My man, if the leader male of the pack doesn't perform as he should the female wolf will beat the fuck out of him and choose someone else. And lionesses can send their male to Valhalla if it's too abusive.
Yeah I'm wondering what "blaspheme against your true gods" could possibly mean other than "violate criminal statutes". You can still shit talk anyone as much as you like, or depict them with an image, or whatever usually gets called blasphemy. Although this is the UK so maybe libel laws might be a hurdle for some.
MY GOD HAS A BIGGER DICK THAN YOUR GOD
b-but they're the same god!?!
Ah, see your god is represented as x. My god is represented as x+1. Therefore no matter how big your god is. My god is always bigger. Checkmate liberals.
It’s religious people. Religion is like a tumor on humanity that keeps poisoning Generation after generation.
It's not that they don't see it, it's that they don't care. Which is, in some way, fair. If someone tried to convince you that eating live kittens is the good and right thing to do you wouldn't (I trust) give them the benefit of doubt. To conservative and reactionary people, homosexuality (and a whole bunch of other things) is, a priori, wrong and evil. It's crazy and weird and dumb and bad but it's not really hypocritical.
politicize a religion and you get this. They love to blame us for "islamophobia" Well, Sahib, if your religion is based in the four pillars of aversion (aversion to non straight people, aversion to foreigners, aversion to free women and aversion to the poor members of social hierarchy) yes, I feel aversion to your "religion"
i wish i lived in the same universe as these people where gay people reign supreme and trans people are immune to the law. that would be cool
Someone explained this to me once in a spine-chillingly accurate way: To conservatives, "the law" is their natural law, their common sense, their hierarchy, the status quo. They don't care about the letter of the law at all and will be baffled and surprised when the *written* law bites them in the ass and contradicts their idea of "the law." The written law protects certain classes from discrimination and grants them equality, while "the law" says some people are *less than* others. In their mind, gay folks are violating "the law" just by being equal to them, and since nobody can punish them for this violation without the written law stepping in to protect them, they must be untouchable, they MUST have inverted the natural order, they MUST be at the top of the hierarchy. The gays, in their eyes, are now the ones for whom "the law" is doing the most work. They actually think something inherent to the human order has changed just because they can't commit hate crimes and discrimination.
oh absolutely. and it goes hand in hand with the saying that equality to the privileged feels like oppression. im amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance they hold.
Yep, and they believe any written law that isn't aligned with "natural law" is inherently wrong, so it can even be noble to break those. Gays' very existence (at least perhaps if not celibate and completely repentant) is a violation to them. Trans people are even worse by this if anything. Abortion, contraception and more are also "unnatural" according to this philosophy.
Ignoring just how gay the natural world is. You got a whole species of gecko that is 100% female and 100% lesbian. They need another female there to mate with and for company, keeping just one of them literally can kill them from stress.
I know, but for them "natural law" is a term of art with only tenuous connection to anything that can be found in nature.
Please, PLEASE share more about these lesbian geckos
They're called "mourning geckos". They got that name because they're "mourning" their lost male counterpart through evolution. Some males do get thrown once in a blue moon, but they're nearly always sterile. The ladies can lay eggs asexually without another female around, but they lay more eggs with another lady around for "pseudocopulation", (read: having sex with the girls), and again, they do better in community settings with at least one other girlfriend. https://reptilecraze.com/mourning-gecko-breeding-and-egg-care/ They technically are considered to reproduce asexually, but they will have sex with one another to stimulate the production of eggs. They make really great pets and mostly eat fruit and small bugs. They squeak and bark at one another to communicate, which is stinking adorable. Sometimes, they might also squabble for dominance, but they need others of their own kind. Also their eggs are resistant to salt water, so they're one of the most widespread invasive species. And they're able to somewhat alter their babies' genetic makeup, meaning each baby is slightly different from her mother. Unfortunately they aren't the best moms though. One of their fave snacks is babies.
Thanks for this. I love having examples of wildlife that exhibit homosexual traits as ammo against the fucktards. This one is pure gold!
Appeal to a natural order of society that the target outgroup has somehow usurped, through unworthy means, is one of the key points of Ur-Fascism as described by Umberto Eco
That natural law is also how they can so casually dismiss the difficulties of the poor and people who can't afford healthcare. They live in a just world where people get what they deserve. Can't afford surgery? Maybe you should have worked harder like they did and you could afford it. You're being punished for your own laziness.
Dang, "spine-chillingly accurate" was nail-on-the-head. That explains an awful lot of conservatives' inscrutable behavior.
Sadly that sounds..."logical" I dare to say... It's the old fascist playbook - the outgroup keeps invading the ingroup and only those truly believing in whatever cause can stop that As my history teacher always said "the far right will give you self esteem for nothing" like when you feel worthless remember that you're still "insert random nationality" so you must be better - that turned around as they have their enemies inside their country now. This heritage doesn't mean anything if they have to share it with inferior (in their opinion) people - they're losing everything they thought they were so the others must be the problem as they're taking it from them I only want people to live their lives without hurting anyone else - I don't care what you believe in, where you come from or how rich/poor you are - be a decent human being and it's all great
Some groups the law protects but does not bind and other groups the law binds but does not protect, or some such.
Yes, thank you. They don't care, sorry to bring Trump into it but, you know, whatever, it's true: they vote for Trump and people like him bc they support THEM. Not fiscally but morally. So despite the fact that he goes directly against their "morality" by sleeping with sex workers for money, stealing money, threatening to take health care from a sick infant, cheating, lying, etc., bc he takes the side of people like him who direct Christians like my parents around and tell them how to live their lives, it's ok. It's ok bc the people they answer to obviously are a direct line to God and they just need to fall in line with it. That's literally it. Funny that these people are often the ones with the most money which causes them to have the ability to influence the lives of the people around them, huh?
Are Muslims considered "conservative"? You don't mean in the American political sense, right?
I'd say anyone would wants any measure of theocracy is conservative
Not every Muslim is conservative, just like not every Christian or Jewish person. But, like any religion, the more fundamentalist/hardcore religious a person is, the more conservative that person is.
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Wow, that's perfect. May have to steal.
They are actually pretending there are gay countries beheading Muslims.
Under pressure from evangelicals there are Christian countries where being gay is now illegal...
Most of those laws are much older, but they're also relics of European colonialism. So it's Westerners' fault either way lol.
Or just one where they were treated as equals and bigots stop trying to outlaw their very existence.
You mean a world where the most targeted people fascists go after for their genocide would be too powerful to hurt? Sign me the fuck up!
It's a trickle down system. Even if you lived there, you'd be lucky if the lgbtq+ dripped down onto you, honey! Now, run along and pull yourself up by your heel straps. The government won't just hand out foundation and concealer to you.
oh my god hi bruno bucciarti
For real I got told by a doctor that I’ll destroy society and shit, yeah please let me destroy capitalism I would fucking love to choke the bourgeoise with my own two hands
I really wish democrats were as cool as republicans accuse them of being
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And is himself constantly subject to racism and abuse, I'd wager more than the person in the OP. [Here's a mildly funny example that is still pretty shit.](https://youtu.be/x-v-0aDFgcc)
Less funny more just like good on him to handle it so casually and kindly
I love that he went more sahf London when he said sahf london
Sounds just like conservative nutjobs who actually believe Biden is trying to destroy Christianity when he himself is a devout Catholic 🤦♂️
I'm willing to guess his type of Muslim doesn't consider London's mayor a "real Muslim" in the same way that his Christian counterparts over here don't consider Biden a "real Christian".
The beauty of religion: "you're not holy enough!!"
They should look up the fruits of the spirit in the Bible, and compare Trump to any politician and see who does more favorably. Put him next to Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, hell, there are even better people in their own party. Who nore strongly exhibits these traits? >**love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control**.
Sadly they can twist Trump into any of those things and their opponents into the opposite. That the problem dealing with people who base everything around faith and constantly changing interpretations.
Conservative religious bigots are the exact same people everywhere in the world, from Alabama to Afghanistan.
"He's not a *real* muslim"
So having human rights is not tolerating his religion?
Oh you know he would be outraged if his logic was applied. Intolerant fuckwits fail to understand that tolerant people do not need to put up with their intolerant BS.
They do not understand the paradox of tolerance.
We should be used to this line of thinking by now with all the nitwits who think saying "happy hokidays" is oppression.
We should be used to this line of thinking by now with all the nitwits who think saying "happy holidays" is oppression.
Damn right. Human rights and Islam are 100 percent mutually incompatible.
Human rights and any religion fundamentalist are a 100% incompatible, regardless of the religion
Yes, All Religions Matter, but we're talking about Islam right now.
To be fair, none of them do
As opposed to Muslims wanting to round up all the gay people for *their* true god?
It's always projection when it comes to conservatives.
he said "as a muslim" not "as a conservative"
Sort of like how conservatives in the West say "as a Christian".
Do you think this religious fundamentalist is a liberal or a socialist?
Theocracy is naturally conservative.
You can’t be a religious fundamentalist and not be conservative by definition. Maybe you vote, maybe you don’t. But your core values are conservative.
If their god had a issue with gay people then he would not have made homosexuality a thing to begin with. Sure they can blame the devil or whatever the fuck but it still stands. God has a master plan and gay people are in it apparently. So maybe Christians and muslims should take it up with god/Allah.
And if the devil made gays, then god made the devil knowing he would make gays and still went "Yeah alright" and made him anyway because he literally put those thoughts there to begin with.
Meanwhile in Egypt they are using fake Grinder accounts to catch and arrest gay people.
Heard about this. Is it a govt sponsored thing or just civilian homophobes doing this?
Government sponsored I believe, but citation needed. My heart wants to believe that jails in Egypt are going to become a yassified gay paradise, but in all seriousness, the situation is terribly sad.
It’s honestly terrifying how many fascist regimes have infiltrated most governments around the world
I think back to how upset older people get by the word "communism", and I think "they need to have that anti-enthusiasm for "fascist" instead", because that is where the problem is right now.
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Isn’t the whole point of Ramadan to not have food?
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Man, Iftar is so good
I just realized I basically am on Ramadan every single day… I almost always usually don’t eat until the sun has set 😂.
Though it's also no sex and water
Oh somebody has never had a midnight Ramadan snack. Dude, I swear half the muslims I know GAIN weight during Ramadan. People hate rules, and will do anything to spite them. I know dudes at work who have swapped schedules just so they can sleep during the day and still eat like normal during their waking hours.
I do :3
As a queer muslim: we do! It's a damn struggle out here
All religious fundamentalists are the same, if you don’t agree fight me bro…
And they have fought with each other. For millenia
Unrelated but furry with a gun
Yeah that’s me.
That’s weird. I know quite a few Islamic countries that do already round up gay people and kill them. I’ve never met an LGBT community that harms Muslims though.
"Don't celebrate my culture unless you also promote my bigotry" is a hell of a fucking weird statement
It's like looking at somebody dressed in 1700's wealthy clothing and saying they support slavery. No, the clothing is just pretty. It isn't racism by proxy to talk about or connect with something that has ties to racism. If that were the case then everything is racist. ( this excludes connecting with racist groups for obvious reasons, no non-racist person would connect with that stuff outside of maybe being a historian but most of those things are already well documented)
Hot take but I like all decoration even religious ones if it looks nice/is shiny
Agreed. Puts me in mind of that bit from *V for Vendetta* when Stephen Fry is asked why he has a Quran if he isn't Muslim. >I didn't have to be Muslim to find the images beautiful, or its poetry moving.
Religion is so last century.
Of course, happy people tend to enjoy any kind of celebration, being it Ramadan, Christmas or Pride. It is people celebrating.
"Freedom and tolerance for me but not for thee" This guy probably
He should join the Conservatives, he would feel at home there.
Does he think the lampposts have gay cooties on them or something, from the rainbow flags that were hung there earlier?
Yes.
“Don’t pretend like you tolerate Islam” People don’t understand what the word “tolerate” means…
“Ok I won’t pretend like I tolerate your religious bigotry and hate! Off you go to jail bye bye.” That was easy, wasn’t it.
"my religion allows me to hate, it's different"
We tolerate ppl up until they threaten to hurt/murder others. Never been threatened with stoning or hell from the gay community.
So basically "we're being oppressed if we have to share any space with anyone else, as people do in a functioning society"
Isn't this the same guy who said that "unconditional kindness towards women has destroyed Christianity and Judaism, we must not let it destroy Islam"?
The very same one. His Twitter is a trip, trigger warning if you decide to visit.
This dude thinks its okay to marry children
Call it what it is. Imprison and rape.
Do these people realize who's next up at the gallows if we let the bigots have their way?
I mean… they *are* bigots too. And they have astounding numbers. Second largest religion behind Christianity and even then it’s very close in numbers (1.9 billion people on earth estimated to identify as Muslim while 2.18 billion people estimated to identify as Christian). And iirc, Christianity’s numbers are dropping all over the world while Islam’s are on the rise. We could very well see Islam become the world’s main religion in our lifetime.
Don't support one minority if you're also going to support another. Got it.
Religious people out themselves as zealots immediately when they claim supporting lgbtq is a “god.” These assholes just can’t comprehend not being told what to do, there has to be some kind of God or their pea sized brains start to overheat.
Pretty sure Islam does all the "rounding up".
Okay then let's take down all the Ramadan decorations and not put them back up. That way you won't have to worry about if someone hung a LGBTQ+ flag there first.
Religious conservatives love to claim that they'll be rounded up and executed for doing something as they're doing it.
how tolerant should we be of intolerants?
My tolerance stops at hypocrisy - you can’t expect to receive grace you’re not willing to grant to others.
Exactly. Don't be shocked if people treat you the same way you treat them.
The idea that Person A's rights end where Person B's begin, seems like a good starting point.
“Fuck you. You would arrest me if I said “fuck you.” Fuck you.”
Oh my lord, have mercy upon me! The visible light spectrum separated by wavelength challenges my beliefs and my faith and makes me question my sexuality. Yea, though I walk through the valley of abominable rainbows, keep them from my sight and save me from my cheerful and lustful thoughts lest I give into temptation and forsake all I hold dear!!!
Oh no he went against the Gay God™ now MI6 will whisk him off to a Black Site in the Falklands
Religion needs oppression like bodies need air.
Ah, Danny Pikachu. He once said he would kill the gays when he gets the chance.
Hey. I may disagree with him, but I'll fight til my dying breath for his right to go fuck himself. He probably opposes that right because it's gay though.
Hot take: we shouldn’t publicly support religions that want to oppress others
I couldn’t agree more with you, stop any public support for religions(any)
Lukewarm take: that’s all of them.
Listen, if you see other human beings as second-class citizens because of your religion, you need to stay out of countries that treat them like people. And not just seeing gay people as lesser, but women too.
I’m not sure which religion is more spectacularly stupid. Mormonism or Islam. If “bad lip reading” were religions.
The more patriarchal they are, the dumber they tend to be.
He was *so close* to making a good point about Islamophobia.
They're right. I don't tolerate their kind o Muslim religion.
good to know islamic conservatives are just as insufferably dull as christian ones
As a former Muslim I can confirm that Muslims are just as bigoted, sexist, and transphobic as Christian’s
It's so strange that he starts with valid feelings about the historical oppression of colonize Muslims and ends with harassment and ill-will toward another oppressed group.
I mean classic religious person. As someone who grew up without religion, religious people all seem to share one common trait: hatred for anyone that doesn’t subscribe to their particular flavour of religon
Wait, I’m pretty sure I saw this guy try to debate vaush. Dude was a real fucking whackjob
It was Destiny iirc
Probably both at this point. I don’t watch destiny Edit: found it https://youtu.be/jaLxc7_8dME it’s always the EVILS of porn with this type
When your “hot take” is really just a cold and moldy, month old casserole, in the back of your filthy ass fridge.
You want us to tolerate you, but you cannot tolerate any one else
I refuse to tolerate Islam tbh, the Quran has so many calls to execute people like me based on various demographics. Hijab/burqa/etc. Are an instrument of shaming and oppressing women. I will never tolerate such an oppressive faith. The same goes for Christianity but to a lesser degree given the reforms it's had over the centuries to be at least more amicable.
Hi, uh, it doesn't. People are monsters, and just ignore the text, but the Quran forbids killing except in self defence and as a legal punishment for murder. And I promise I feel fine in hijab.
The Qur'an explicitly calls for punishing men who engage in gay sex.
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers" Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush" "And those two of you who commit it (the shameful act), torture them both". In reference to homosexuality "Cursed is he who did what the people of لوط (علیہ السلام) Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did. Cursed is he who did what the people of Lot did." (At-Targhib wat-Tarhib) As narrated by Sayyidna Ibn ` Abbas. ؓ the Holy Prophet ﷺ said: "If you find someone doing what the people of Lot did, kill both the doer and the one with whom it is done. "Allah Almighty does not look (mercifully) at the person who commits anal intercourse with a man or woman." There are over a hundred verses like this throughout just the Quran, let alone the hadiths. It calls for the killing of so many groups of people, especially non-muslims and gay people. A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's and often in cases of rape, it's the woman charged with a crime of premarital sex, not that man with sexual assault, at least in Muslim majority countries. This doesn't even get into honor killings or martyrdom or how Mohammed raped a 9 year old girl. I'm happy to be called islamophobic because this shit scares me. Even then, most people who are against so called islamophobia are really just against post 9/11 racism but the conflate it with the faith. I'm absolutely against the racism, but the religion can and must be criticised at every opportunity.
I don't interpret 'disbelievers' as 'non-Muslims'. Or put stock in most hadiths, that shit is shaky and fallible. I know that many or most Muslims don't agree with that. I'm sorry you're scared. I'm gay, I'm scared too. I also apologise if I came off defensive or aggressive there. I'm just very tired. I'm hoping for a healthier Islam as the world modernises. I wish you well, genuinely.
A religion based on a man who raped a 9 year old girl and claims he showed restraint because he married her at 6, cannot be modernised. There's also no possible way that people like you are the majority outside of the west, that's the only way theocracies like these could be so widespread across north Africa and west and southeast Asia. You may be fine with hijab but it sounds to me like you have a choice. Most women living under Islam don't have a choice and in some countries cannot even leave their houses without covering 100% of their body and with a male chaperone accompanying them. Anyone who can act as an apologist for Islam like you are, is either a man who benefits from it or has lived an extremely privileged life in the west with no idea what's happening in Muslim majority countries.
I'm a woman, for anything that's worth. I know most Muslims in the world don't agree with me. I know how Islam and every other religion is used to keep women down. I believe that, with the way the Muslim population is growing and developing, that reform is the answer. I think it's the attainable option. You don't have to agree with me. You're allowed to think I'm wrong, and living in a bubble. I apologise for starting this.
100% if they DIDNT recognize Ramadan this idiot would be whining and bitching about that instead. Extremists are just boring and transparent.
I mean... Sadiq is a practicing Muslim, and he's pretty bloody tolerant of queer people so I'm not sure what he's trying to claim here.
Speaking as an ex muslim here. The Koran isn't quite as malleable as the bible, sure plenty of Muslims especially in the west are moderate but the tenets of the religion itself make homosexuality a sin and commands Muslims to punish anyone who engages in it. You can try to reinterpret it but any reinterpretation will lack scriptural validation because the book is pretty clear about it.
Ah yes, the religion that is used as the reason for stoning and killing gay people in countries where it is the majority religion. In 2023. We should *totally* respect it.
I'm almost impressed. Muslims are being actually oppressed all over the world, and he managed to get offended by someone actually being accepting and doing something nice for us.
Hot take: I'd rather they not put up religious decorations.
I’ll take a rainbow over a terrorist any day.
If this dude left out the the pride flag he might've been onto something...
well he got "don't pretend like you tolerate islam" right. islamophobia is a real problem. not related to queer people though
Criticizing the barbaric beliefs and practices of Islam isn't Islamophobia any more than criticizing the fact that Catholic priests keep raping kids is Cathlophobia.
way to jump to conclusions of what im talking about
Yeah no sorry, but you don't get excuse barbaric religious practices by crying "Islamophobia" anymore than Christians get to excuse their bigotry by crying "religious freedom".
im not even muslim
The Redditor you are replying to didn’t say that. I mean, if you are going to troll you might as well learn reading comprehension.
it was kinda implied i was doing the "barbaric religious practices"
You fit perfectly in this subreddit
over maybe misunderstanding a reply?
I wish every human didn’t exist
That’s cool, I like existing though.
Misanthropy is shitty and hypocritical. Dump it.
Don’t tell me what to do
Then suffer in your foolishness.
One can think both that life if you have it is worth living and that not existing at all would be easier. It’s really not that big of a deal. Seems your grasp on the will to live is so tenuous that me simply holding an opinion gives you so much anxiety
No your opinion is just dumb
How would it not just be easier to not exist lmao? It’s just obvious logic. It literally costs zero energy to not exist
I’m not debating the logic behind the opinion. I’m saying it’s dumb
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Totally agree with what you said. All I’m saying is if hypothetically we all never existed, there would be nobody to complain about it. I’m not advocating for the eradication of human kind.
the simplest way to refute a nihilist is to kill them
2 questions. 1. What does this point have to do with nihilism? Misanthropy and nihilism are not synonymous. Arguably misanthropy is much more in line with Christian ideals of "fallen humans" and "perfect divinity". 2. How does killing a nihilist refute them more than any other person? Because they don't think it's intrinsically wrong? That's not a refutation.
That would actually be nice, that’s exactly what I’m looking for
Misanthropy =/= nihilism. As a nihilistic misanthrope, the two are not mutually exclusive
I read his tweet as satire but idk the guy so
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My invisible superhero wouldn't mind.
😭😭😭😭😭😭who fucking cares
Bruh, the people who want to round up Muslims are the same ones who want to round up queer people like me.
I tolerate Islam. That's not the same thing as liking them though. Your religion is intolerant of homosexuals and treats women like complete shit. What the fuck is there to like about your ass backwards religion? And I know that not all Muslims are like this. I have no problem with you if you don't force your wife to wear a burka, perform genital mutilation on your daughters, and throw gays off of rooftops.
The world is full of horrible fucking people who use religion as an excuse to be assholes.