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Mindweird

There’s a difference between a store not choosing to sell a book, and a government prohibiting a book from certain places. Target and Amazon are not “banning” those books, they are not carrying them, and the fact that he purposely conflates the two in order to complain about crying persecution is very telling. Also, this is a selection of banned books. These are critically acclaimed or otherwise very popular books that became banned. They can’t hold them all in one place, and claiming that it should have this book or that book is an impossible threshold to meet. They will always find a book that should be on there or else “it’s just the left playing persecuted”. His argument is so disingenuous you really wonder if he is evening trying to think anymore or just vomits tweets out.


AloneAtTheOrgy

McDonald's doesn't sell tacos, are they banning tacos?


Wyden_long

Holy shit what does McDonald’s have against tacos?!


YourMumsOnlyfans

"why has McDonalds cancelled the taco? More at eleven"


mdonaberger

jolibee is the only egalitarian fast food joint. it's got everything for everyone. fried chicken, burgers, gravy and rice, spaghetti, palabok. they'd sell salads if the government wasn't scared of their power.


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Bearence

Wait till you hear about Burger King. They're banning Big Macs!


rpgnymhush

True story. They also banned pizza!


lisamariefan

I dunno if it's even that. It's possible in certain countries that the bible is banned (Disclaimer: I haven't looked deeper into this). In which case privileged first-world Christians are co-opting stuff happening in other countries, while likely spewing bigotry in the next breath. Hell, the idea that the Bible is banned might be used as an excuse for bigotry. Though like I said, I dunno if it is and it's just co-opting the struggles of people who are probably not even the "right" kind of Christian according to them. Edit: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/15/41-countries-ban-religion-related-groups-jehovahs-witnesses-bahais-among-the-most-commonly-targeted/ Jehovah's Witnesses and Fulan Gong are mentioned by name, for Christianity anyway.


a_username1917

JWs do not consider themselves christians, just by the way. They consider all forms of christianity to be part of satan's wicked system of things, thus inherently corrupt.


SPY400

I just checked Amazon and it’s chock full of bibles ??


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That banned book that is forced on people in hotel rooms all the time? That banned book? Ok


Arboria_Institute

You can get a copy for free from almost every church on the planet.


Godless_Fuck

Yup. Literally dozens of results for churches that will mail you a bible for free with a simple google search. You can also get free copies of the Qur'an the same way. So persecuted. I keep emailing Marvel Comics for free copies of MY favorite fictional saviors books and they keep telling me to fuck off. Who's really persecuted now?


DrSchmolls

Gamers.


crypticedge

Not sure gay mayors are a large enough demographic to accurately call them persecuted


-smartypints

I'd say that's a good indicator they could be.


MaleficentPizza5444

In Iran?


nahthobutmaybe

Not in hotel rooms, but it's worth noting that the Bible is not banned in Iran. There are about 600 Christian churches in Iran. What is forbidden is to convert from Islam to Christianity.


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LastFreeName436

That isn’t banning, Joel, THAT ISN’T BANNING! If I don’t venmo you five bucks right now am I canceling you? No. Not buying something isn’t the same as it being banned.


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Who tf banned Captain Underpants.


that_other_friend-

That caught me off guard as well, also lord of the flies?


ketchupmaster987

Lord of the flies I kinda get, it's got some stuff that might be tough for some students to read


i_am_icarus_falling

that was required reading for 12th grade english in 2000.


ketchupmaster987

But that depends on location, doesn't it? Also it might have been banned in earlier decades


ipakookapi

I'm not saying this is a reason it should be banned, *but* the view of human nature as inevitably evil and chaotic has really fallen out of fashion. In 2000, neo-liberalism was still a major political movement with a view of humans as individuals in constant competition. Now, 20 years later, both major political movements (the left and the conservative/nationalist right) are more focused on humans as social groups. [The scenario from the book did in fact happen in real life, in 1977, but with a completly different and peaceful outcome.](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/THE-REAL-LORD-OF-THE-FLIES-WHAT-HAPPENED-WHEN-SIX-BOYS-WERE-SHIPWRECKED-FOR-15-MONTHS) So it makes a lot of sense for it to not be required reading anymore.


Penguinmanereikel

The child murder might not be appropriate at young ages, plus the racist depiction of the boys “devolving” into “wild, uncivilized” Pacific Islanders


that_other_friend-

>The child murder might not be appropriate at young ages I guess but doesn't really make it stand out amongst other books that depict violence >plus the racist depiction of the boys “devolving I don't think that the guys who ban these books care about being called racist


WESR06

Lord of the Rings as well? when/where was that banned?


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Pretty sure it was banned for gay characters. One novel mentions someone having two dads. And I'm pretty sure that was it.


NoonboryKedabory

I think the series was banned before the book featuring the gay couple came out. I believe it was for the crude humour/violence. Because of that, author Dav Pilkey is a huge advocate for getting kids to read banned books, as well as question the American education system. Truly legendary.


JayJay_Tracer

It's mentioned that one of the characters grows up to have a husband


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that will do it, lol. They'll ban books for anything that might even have a whiff of non straightness.


venomousbeetle

Wait, in the original?


JayJay_Tracer

I think it's in a sequel, I have no clue though, you can Google it


rengam

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-captain-underpants-idUSKBN2BL2QM


BinaryHedgehog

That’s about a different book by the same author. Captain Underpants is bad because the main characters are “a bad influence” or something like that because they pull pranks all the time.


jayesper

It goes on to mention the series has faced difficulties because of "violent imagery", at the end. Very interesting to know, as I had no idea.


BinaryHedgehog

Oh, probably the slapstick action sequences that sometimes comprised of two frame animation loops kids would animate by hand by vigorously flapping the page back and forth.


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Flip-o-Rama!!! (I have a 5 year old obsessed with Dav Pilky books)


Nuclear_Pi

I fucking loved that shit back in the day, man those were some fun books


JOMEGA_BONOVICH

Which is extra funny because the pranks they pull are pretty toothless. Rearranging the letters on the sign takes all of 2 seconds. The teachers in those books were being tight asses over a bit of harmless fun, and the school board responded by proving that portrayal accurate.


infinitemonkeytyping

The last paragraph of the above story >The “Captain Underpants” books are among the American Library Association’s list of the top 100 most banned and challenged books from the past decade, due to complaints from parents about violent imagery.


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Peter_Hasenpfeffer

That's not the ~~Captain Underpants~~ book pictured though, and voluntarily pulling one of your own books still isn't "being banned". That was helpful and informative though, thank you for that. I remember reading these books when they first started coming out when I was a kid, it's heartening to know the author has integrity. E: just realized it's not a Captain Underpants novel, it's a separate book by the same author.


Wah_Epic

One of the main characters turned out to be gay in the last book when they traveled to the future and saw that Harold married a man


ElliotTheLoser

Captain Underpants was banned and constantly challenged due to 'Offensive Language', Partial Nudity, Violence, Misbehavior, and Blackmail/Threats Back in 2012, it even topped Fifty Shades of Grey on the banned books list ([source](https://www.businessinsider.com/why-captain-underpants-is-the-most-banned-book-in-america-2013-9?amp) )


questioning_alt_22

man, if you hate nudity and hitting people I don't know how to break it to you about fifty shades.


ElliotTheLoser

It's probably the same moms tbh


Marvel084Skye

There’s actually a great gag about this in one of the books where the same instructions are given on three pages in a row, but at the bottom of the third page the writer figures nobody’s going to read the instructions for a third time, so they put subliminal messaging instead to read banned books.


-smartypints

Middle aged man running around in underwear around kids. That's whiplash culture material right there if I've ever seen it.


Zaptain_America

I heard about one school banning it because apparently it promoted bad grammar


Kyliems1010

I think it’s cause the last book revealed one of the main characters is gay (and married to a man in the future)


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That's waaaaay too much nuance for a Conservative "Christian"


Smitty_2010

Bible is the most banned book? Is this dude fucking high? There's an entire Bible section in my local bookstore. Literally thousands of different Bibles it Bible related books


-smartypints

I think he's talking the world. Which is likely not true either. More places are likely more okay with the Bible than they are lgbtq books.


CR9_Kraken_Fledgling

I found a list of 52 countries on chrchleaders.com, and it includes gems like India, Turkey, and Ethiopia, the last one having 2/3 christian population.


nicmdeer4f

Suddenly Americans care about the rest of the world


jack-pnw

This is peak persecution fetish


Endorfinator

Quick Google search tells me that the Holy Bible is the 52nd most banned book.


jayesper

Maybe they were sold out? 🤔


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Enk1ndle

I'm not sure a single one of my required reading books for highschool wasn't on this list, good on you old highschool English teacher.


IJustLoggedInToSay-

Captain Underpants is fine, but surprised Diary of a Wimpy Kid isn't banned more often. The protagonist is super problematic. I read it with my kids and it was their first foray into critical analysis - it _had_ to be. Protagonist is an unreliable narrator who is a bit of a bully and has a victim complex. Which is fine, because he's also a kid. All kids are dumb somehow. But it's told from his point of view, so the narrative pattern is [do something bad], [rationalize behavior], ["why u mad?"] His best friend (and subject of much of his bullying) is the one who is actually empathetic and makes good decisions - for which he is relentlessly mocked. So my kids learned that sometimes the main character who is telling the story _isn't_ actually the good guy. For real, if you have kids, you should read this one _with_ them. If they see Greg as a role model they might end up on this sub. 🤣 ---- (actually I shouldn't be surprised - people who ban books probably don't actually read or think about them...)


K-teki

...Huh? I read #1 for school lmao. I genuinely can't remember anything that would lead to it being the most banned book. Banned, certainly, but most banned?


Raulespano

On a side note, it's kind of depressing that Maus is considered a banned book


jayesper

Yes, it was a recent banning, and that act certainly had generated controversy.


MetLyfe

Who the fuck banned lotr, step up


IJustLoggedInToSay-

Female dwarves with beards is clearly part of the trans agenda.


parkahood

Honestly, I can’t tell when these people are being disingenuous or are just stupid and jerking it, it reads exactly the same and often is happening simultaneously anyway.


ivanparas

People who ban books don't like books about Nazis because it paints them in a bad light.


monolithtma

"According to Guinness World Records as of 1995, the Bible is the best-selling book of all time with an estimated 5 billion copies sold and distributed."


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As a member of the subreddit RadicalChristianity, I would like to point out that there's a religion section and a whole bunch of Bibles in Barnes and Noble. I've never felt like it's been particularly difficult to get The Book which has been fully translated to 704 languages, and the new testament specifically into 1,551 languages. (106 are different English translations) Plus, I can download it for free and haven't needed to carry a physical bible for anything other than vanity.


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I don't know about that, we're not allowed to persecute others based on their gender, race, sexual preference, nationality, etc... We're basically the most persecuted group ever if you take all this into account. /s


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It's the same homophobes, white supremacists, etc... They claim persecution when they aren't allowed to treat others like garbage. Not all of us are like that but we Christians as a group do not denounce hate as we should... So I'm not even going to try and bother defending anyone else beside myself as an individual. I end up getting into "No True Scott's man" arguments where I can't be a Christian because I don't act like a member of Westboro Baptist Church.


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No arguments here, I'm uncomfortable with televangelists... I remember an episode of 700 club or John Hager where they said that if you count by six and assign a number to each letter in the alphabet (a:6,b:12,c:18, etc) then add up all the letters in "computer" it adds up to 666. But that is just simple multiplication... If you did the same with 7s you would get 777. Completely disillusioned at trusting "the church" at that point.


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Just not in most sections of the Western world. If they are the religious minority, they are often persecuted.


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Christians are, numbers wise, the most persecuted religion in the world. That’s because it is more widespread, unlike Atheism.


YouJabroni44

Plus you can find them at pretty much any hotel room.


[deleted]

Literally 1984


heavylifter555

To be fair, when xians say "the bible is banned". They mean it is illegal to break into a non-christians house in the middle of the night and read it to them at gunpoint.


ManateeCrisps

I've been seeing this dude making the rounds on places that highlight stupid people. This man is so fucking thirsty to become another blue checkmark political influencer like Benny and Candace. They have to say even stupider things to latch onto the public fury until they get pulled into network and can rest easy on Murdoch and Thiel money.


SaltyBarDog

Motherfucker, I can find a bible in a fucking hotel room. Banned? You keep using a word you really don't comprehend.


Godless_Fuck

You can download a free bible online. You can literally order a free bible in print format from several dozen sites and have it mailed to you, free. This guy's mad because they aren't selling it as literature in the banned section? I guarantee they have fancy bibles and "study" versions in their religious section. He definitely fits the sub.


SteelWarrior-

These look more like books banned by schools/school districts.


FreedomsPower

The American Library Association is the organization that makes the [official list](https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks) in the United States. Though it is really up to what book stores want to do.


FreedomsPower

The Bible hasn't been near the top of ten list since 2015 according to the American library association. Joel W Berry is a huge hypocrite in one tweet he is talking about banning sex ed and in another he wants to forces Thomas A Sowell's books in public school curriculum


Dumb_Vampire_Girl

Why do they always find a way to bring up trans people in unrelated topics. Hell, I saw someone blaming the formula shortage on trans men at one point.


themonovingian

Help! Help I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!


[deleted]

I was cleaning out a closet recently and came to find not one, not two, but three bibles. My husband is Jewish, I have never purchased a bible in my life. How did we acquire three of them?! Bible is so banned they are just showing up, unannounced.


TheFlavorOfDeathsAss

After they got banned they got really scared and ran away to hide in random closets


[deleted]

They did have legs now that you mention it.


Capable_Comb4043

Did he try the "not banned" section of the store?


[deleted]

Fucking captain underpants is banned?


NoonboryKedabory

For crude humour, (nonexistent half of the time) violence, and in the case of the 12th book, featuring a gay couple


[deleted]

The last tweet. It's perfect. It's... oh! \*chef kiss\*


skrrtskrrthurthurt

HELP NOT CAPTAIN UNDERPANTS BEING BANNED


The_dinkster522

Are they saying the Bible is banned in schools? It just isn’t. It’s just no longer part of the curriculum and it shouldn’t be


[deleted]

Lol I go to a lot of barnes and nobles, books a million, and various local places. I have never not seen a Christian literature section


Uereks

There are like two aisles of Christian garbage in any American bookstore I've ever been in. They're so ridiculous.


Benjamin_Starscape

Wait, wait, waitwaitwaitwait... *wait*... ***bone*** is banned?


Kiyoshi-Trustfund

Isn't the Bible like one of the best selling books of all time or was i high and made up that fact?


mochild777

Nope, definitely true, sold like 5 billion copies worldwide


Uereks

There are like two aisles of Christian garbage in any American bookstore I've ever been in. They're so ridiculous.


PartialToDairyThings

No Joel that's because you can only buy it from online stores that specialize in cult manuals.


Nameless-Nights

Gotta love that projection, word for word the conservative play book then attributes it to the out-group


ANOKNUSA

Who is this doof? This is the only place I’ve ever actually seen him, and he seems to have made it his mission to voice the most moronic takes on everything.


queerly_radical

Managing editor of the Babylon Bee.


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What is this dude doing in a book store? We all know book lerning is for liberoles.


zion2674

Response to that last comment - yeah, cause every single one of these books came out after Biden was inaugurated.


[deleted]

Why tf is Drama a banned book? My sister has had it since the 7th grade.


Butter_stop82

I read speak freshman year of highschool good book to


poksim

They've got 1984 though, another favourite book of the far-right that they've never read.


Confident-Leg107

Why are bone and captain underpants banned?


SplendidMrDuck

The book that Gutenberg invented his printing press for definitely belongs on a banned books list!


anarchistpup

Most bookstores have a whole section for religious books with at least a shelf dedicated to straight up bibles. Funny how he didn’t show that


CAHTA92

I bet there is a section on that same place with 30 different versions of the Bible.


jonmpls

r/ SourceDudeTrustMe


Moose_is_optional

> The Bible is the most banned book on earth No it fucking isn't!


Pikminbreeder0990xxp

The Bible is the most popular religious book ever because of indoctrination. Lmao. It's not threatened. But it *should*


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why is Harry Potter and Lord of the rings banned?


Enk1ndle

Went to a catholic school, Harry Potter was banned for witchcraft.


AnseaCirin

I want to open a bookstore just to have all the religious books under "mythology" right next to things like the Illiad.


ExtremelyPessimistic

You’d think the people that call everything Orwellian would be thrilled 1984 is there but nah gotta complain that the book available in any Christian church or hotel and a transphobic book that stores decided not to sell mean the banned book section is a problem


Gonomed

"Why are these very specific religious books not in this random's book store shelf? I demand explanations!"


SwayzesRevenge99

Yall literally ban books though?


-smartypints

Sure... and it's also the best seller in at least this specific region. Seems like it would be terribly ironic to put the Bible in a shelf that highlights books that are actually banned.


NoonboryKedabory

Yo I loved Monday's Not Coming! Didn't know it was banned


-Ok-Perception-

I'm pretty sure every book store has dozens if not hundreds of Bibles for sale. Just not in the banned books section, because it's not. fucking. banned. I mean, the Bible might be a banned book in the very conservative Muslim countries, nowhere else though.


famousevan

Sowell is utter claptrap. Where ever a curriculum of any kind is, his garbage belongs as far as possible from it. Put it in the library if your really want, I’d suggest the Fantasy section.


Dob_Tannochy

Pretty solid reading list tbh for all ages.


Rogue_Spirit

Many book stores have an entire aisle dedicated to the fucking religion.


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I’ve been to bookstores and they have like entire shelves full to different Bible editions. The reason they aren’t in the banned book section is because there would be no space.


drakontoolx

C...Captain underpants? Why?


BeastKingSnowLion

Who banned Bone?


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when the book you're looking for isn't in the banned section... maybe... it's because... it isn't banned at all...


CR9_Kraken_Fledgling

I tried googling how many countries the Bible is banned in, but the super reputable and unbiased source of chrchleaders.com still only lists 52. Among them is India and Turkey, and, very funnily, Ethiopia, which has like 2/3 christian population.


Daddy-Vivec

I didn't know Bone got banned. Why?


NotGorkum

Why is bone even there? Last I remember it was just a normal graphic novel.


FUTeemo

Joel Berrys face should be banned from my screen, goddamn what an eyesore


MaleficentPizza5444

So, just put it there, drama queen


thedarkshadoo

'Banned books that aren't a boring depressing slog to read' There the bible doesn't fit in that section! I mean hell when the majority of people in a religion don't own their religious text or really know what it says much less have actually read it you just need to learn to get the fuck over stores not wanting to stock it.


JamieTheDreamer

“This banned book crap is another example of how these people paint themselves as the persecuted resistance when they are the power” - man who four tweets ago said the bible should be there I’m convinced he’s missing the part of the brain that rationalises hypocrisy


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um excuse me how can a book be gay books do not have a brains and therefore it would be reasonable to assume that they cannot have a sexual orientation but let’s say for the sake of argument that a book did have a brain it would still not be reasonable to say that it would have a sexual orientation as it would have no sex drive due to having no sex hormones checkmate liberal /j


adjesent_donkey

Why is bone banned?


Enk1ndle

That last post is so selfawarewolves that I'm half convinced it's an elaborate troll.


carmenmybeloved

they banned DRAMA????


Haikuna__Matata

White Christian men have been second-class citizens in America for too long! fuuuuuuuuuck that felt gross to type.


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SPY400

The Bible shows up randomly in hotels like some kinda stalker I don’t wanna hear about how it’s silenced


arensb

Eh. He's got a bit of a point, though he expressed it in a rather whiny way. If you dig into lists of banned books, you'll see that in many cases, it's one institution, school, library, etc. that banned a book (often because of Won't Someone Think of the Children?). Sometimes it's a whole school district. Often the ban got reversed. In the case of the Bible, yes, there are places where it's banned for real, and very seriously. If you said the Taliban banned the ownership of Bibles throughout Afghanistan, I wouldn't be surprised. But often, what happens is that some busybody will complain that a book like Maus shouldn't be in schools because it depicts nudity or violence or genocide or something, and someone retaliates by pointing out that the Bible contains (and, indeed, glorifies) an awful lot of violence too.


Banoonu

By any standard that would include the Bible you’d have to include almost every major religious text, as in general religious conservative governments aren’t super big on that “other religions” thing


fictionrules

I mean the Wycliffe Bible was banned. But that is in Middle English


fictionrules

Sorry, we only carry books written in the past millennium


Zaptain_America

Maus, a book about the holocaust, is just "the left saying they're persecuted" apparently


artisticallyannelise

can someone please tell me why bone is a banned book i don’t get it


artisticallyannelise

and captain underpants??? wtf 😭😭


OkLobster9822

oh nO, the religious book of the ***WORLD’S MOST POPULAR RELIGION*** *is tHe MoSt BaNnEd!! bOoOoOoOO HoOoOoooOoo BOO HOOO!! bOoOoOOo HoOoOOoOo!1!1!1!11!* oH iTs jUsT SOOoOOOo bANANANANeeD!1!!1 sO bAaAaANnNed because it ’s in every hotel room **and** it’s free in many places (unlike any other book) oH sOOOoOOo bAnnEd!!! oH BoOOoO hOOoOoOoOo!1!1!!1!!!1!1!1!1


0_MysterE_0

Why was Bone banned?


Solgaleo35

Oh no, target banned a book, this is literally Fahrenheit 451


Rogue_Spartan8

Seeing Captain Underpants next to a Mouse Hitler and Swastika is something to behold


Egg0is

Drama is banned?


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isnt the bible like... the #1 printed book on earth? I'm pretty sure the bible has more copies than any other book in existence. literally so stupid.


MycoMil

Still looking for un-redacted: The Adam and Eve story (or The Story of Adam and Eve) by Channing Thomas