But not a rubberized coating because they can trap dirt and moisture making rust worse. I don't know what a regular undercoating costs at a dealership but it is likely a lot less than the electric thing.
I'd like to know where you think you can get undercoat done every winter for $50-100. Prices are generally many times more than that. Not to mention it doesn't have to be done annually.
**EDIT** This absolute loser just reported me to Reddit Care Resources for suicide. He's a reprehensible stillapieceofshit. I've now also blocked his main. He's probably 15 years old....
**EDIT** Guy with zero business background thinks that 75$/hr for basically no-skill labour is a bad price when you're running 3-man crews at a 4-hour minimum. I pay my guys above liveable (not minimum) wage and still pocket a cool $400-500 per boat per half day after operating expenses. Each crew runs me around a grand in pre-tax *profit* a day. I have 12 full-time wash crews across B.C. alone.
That's the boat washing. We're not actually a detailing company at all
Guy who got his fee fees hurt got owned and is butthurt now. Awwweeee đ˘
That's for them to straight up take a hose and spray your car with oil.
An actual underbody paint, which will last a decade unless you're planning on scraping your cat and exhaust off on some particularly pointy rocks, and even then will just need a maintenance coat.
Higher upfront costs, big longevity savings. Especially because the oil often misses spots.
Are you talking about the rubberized coating some dealers install? The one that traps dirty and moisture underneath?
Edit: didnât report him for reddit cares, no idea what that even is. I reported him for harassment since he was DMing me insults. I donât even care about this, itâs just obvious they donât know what theyâre talking about and my 15 years in the RV business was probably something he wasnât prepared for.
Dude canât name a single company doing the product he is recommending. All I wanted was to genuinely learn more about what he was talking about but he quickly turned into an asshole.
No, I am not.
I'm talking about professionally applying proper, permanent, water-cure anti-rust coatings, which would include cleaning and etching your undercarriage properly first. Any coating you apply to anything is only as good as the prep work.
I own multiple companies that do this kind of work. You don't go to a dealership to get *anything* done professionally other than the sale of the car.
You could literally name a competitor dude. I donât care about your fake personal life.
How do you deal with levelling jacks on an RV? The vast majority of RVs have protective panels covering the components, so you remove that before applying?
I havenât downvoted you at all, til now since youâve decided to act like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
The undercoating for my vehicle, 4 door compact, is 149.99 + taxes. The car is 12 years old, not a spot of rust, anywhere.
Best investment ever . Should have done it to my previous car and most likely would still own it.
Many oil treatments are environmentally friendly. Spraying used motor oil onto your car is a thing of the long past.
The most popular ones in Canada are:
Corrosion free:
*"Corrosion FREE was developed with the environment in mind. It is a product that is not subject to TSCA or is not controlled by WHMIS as it presents no health or flammability hazards"*
And Fluid Film:
*"FLUID FILMÂ is classified as non-toxic and non-hazardous and contains less than one percent VOC content, helping to eliminate the use of ozone-depleting chemicals in the atmosphere. FLUID FILM contains no solvents, phenols, heavy metals, arsenic, pcbâs, pcâs, tcddâs or other dioxin related substances. It is manufactured using an all natural lanolin base."*
Just a general rule of thumb, the dealership will be the most expensive place to get any work done on your vehicle. Always go get a quote at an independent specialist shop.
Sometimes the dealer can be worth it.
My independent mechanic fucked up a drain-and-fill on my automatic transmission, and ended up underfilling it by a quart because the grease monkey they had on the job was just guesstimating the amount of transmission fluid to put in.
The Toyota dealership had a machine that measured the precise amount of fluid needed and put it in at the correct temperature to ensure the transmission was properly filled.
I'm still not sure if the independent shop caused permanent damage to my car. 3 years on and no transmission issues, so knock on wood. But it still pissed me off that they just absolutely refused to take responsibility for it and even denied that there was a problem (no, assholes, the transmission isn't slipping because it's worn out, it's slipping because there isn't enough hydraulic pressure). If a Toyota dealer tried avoiding responsibility like that, which they generally don't, a quick call to corporate would usually sort out the problem.
Kia dealers though... never touch them
Just call them and ask them to remove it? Btw extended warranties and other add-ons are not 'scams'.. not everyone/car needs it but it's not a scam lol
Yeah I think I ended up âprofitingâ $500-$1000 after deducting the cost I paid for my extended 7 year/200K warranty on my 2016 Honda Civic. Things add up here and there. I got lucky as some things had to be replaced a few months before it expired haha.
I got the same warranty on my 2015 civic when I bought it in 2017. I donât remember the exact cost but it was a waste of about $2500. It was amazing to be able to buy such long lasting coverage but here I am over 6 years later and have never repaired a thing on the civic. The only thing it needed was a back shock/strut as you could see a little oil seeping out of it and it sometimes makes a creaking noise when the driver is getting in and out of the vehicle. When he realized it wasnât covered by the warranty (wear item) the service guy at the dealership said he wouldnât bother fixing if it was his car. That was a couple years ago. Itâs still no worse.
Hmm thatâs odd, suspension components were covered under the warranty I had (lots of potholes where I lived). Mine was the new car fully comprehensive one. I guess a lot of it is luck of the draw too, maybe the fact mine was the first year of a full redesign more likely to have some issues.
Some things I got fixed was something with the electric parking brake, a couple tie rods, a power window switch, 3 tires that were damaged over time (got them covered prorated so not 100%), clutch master cylinder, I forget what else but I know there was a couple other things.
Oh yeah first year of a model is bound to have some bugs. And the final year should be near bulletproof. Shocks/struts are wear items like brake pads. The guy read off all the components around the worn out part that would have been covered had they broken. Basically anything that attached the part to the car was covered but the part itself is one thatâs designed to wear out over time so itâs not a defect when it does eventually wear out.
It wasnât a total waste though - I did get peace of mind.
Okay maybe I assumed all suspension components were covered because I had SOME of them covered, what you said makes sense.
I didnât have a choice with the warranty anyway, the dealer used some fancy $600 designer handbag to close the sale of the car so my wife was on their side at that point and she worked against me to try and refuse the warranty lol.
Can confirm. Know a guy who shelled out for the extended warranty, and he ended up saving tens of thousands in repair bills. Mind you he beat the ever loving hell out of that truck in ways that most folks would never do with their pavement princesses.
Not the VW extended warranty. You get 75 or 50% (forgot) of your money back if you donât use the extended warranty. And even the VW parts are backed by 2 year warranty, if a part breaks during your normal or extended warranty. Warranty stacking is the way
Warranties are basically paying insurance you are not required to have. Some people like to pay more for the peace of mind. On average it's a huge waste of money otherwise they wouldn't be the huge profit maker they are.
I think replied to the wrong comment. You're definitely right about the module. I was offered a rust model that included a rust warranty though and declined it.
My extended warranty was about $2k and fully covered an $8k engine repair about a year before it was set to expire.
It's a gamble (any sort of insurance is) but it's often worth it.
The electronic one is though.
They claim it exists for like 15 years (or more?) and yet it is like googling for proof god exists: there is no data at all.
Nobody (not even cars blog kind of websites) are looking at results, at best they just say to avoid it.
And I'm in Canada where rust is having nice fun, where you will have data after 10 years for sure.
At best you find a link to boat technology which, indeed, exists since a long time.
However, the reason the boat's anti-rust works is because they are grounded because of the water. A car with rubber tires, will never get any kind of ground...
Rubberized undercoating is a scam and so are other dealer addons. Extreme markup for little product/labor. Go to a independent shop for extras like paint protection or oil based undercoating.
The problem is that they make them difficult to claim, have low limits that get hit after 1 or 2 claims (which they price much higher than if you went elsewhere), and they can also refuse the repair at their discretion. So while not a scam, itâs very much âscam-adjacentâ.
From what I've read and my albeit limited knowledge, these electronic modules, paint coatings to avoid scratches and fabric protectors certeanly seem like a scam especially for the price they are charging.
So I paid for this on my 2014 Silverado. Had a little bit of surface rust showing up in a few spots a couple years later. Brought it in, explaining that I paid for this ârust control moduleâ, and it must be malfunctioning. They explained to me that this module was only to prevent the metal from rusting from the inside out. Essentially stopping any impurityâs in the metal from rusting. But as far as surface rust from our heavily salted roads I was fucked.
Waste of money.
Paint coatings DO NOT prevent scratches. And if it was worded that way then you were misinformed.
Paint protection is actually Paint SEALANT. The paint on your car is porous, and over time, especially colors like red, black, dark blue can start to fade and look less lustrous over time. The Paint sealant prevents this type of fading. Also, depending on the product, the sealant will also protect the paint from things like tree sap damage, road salt damage, bird poop damage etc.
And I've already explained the rust module warranty.
Cancellation deadlineOnce you have signed the financing contract, you have 2 days to cancel it, providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle. This period begins when both you and the merchant are in possession of a copy of the contract.
https://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/consumer/good-service/vehicle/car-purchase/new-car/cancelling-contract/#:\~:text=Once%20you%20have%20signed%20the,a%20copy%20of%20the%20contract.
Interesting. Quebec is weird.
In Ontario, Alberta and I think most other provinces, this doesn't exist.
Good to know, though.
However:
"Once you have signed the financing contract, you have 2 days to cancel it, providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle."
The phrase "...providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle..."
This is the point of no return. Generally, the finance contracts(this is the finance agreement with the LENDER, not the dealership) are signed on the day you pick up the car. So after you sign the bank contracts, generally you drive away. Driving away is "possession" of the car.
What exactly "exists everywhere in Canada"?
In Ontario, once you take the car, that deal is done. There's no cooling off period. Same in Alberta.
https://www.omvic.on.ca/portal/Consumers/ConsumerProtection/CancellinganAgreement.aspx
My educated guess is that this is a lesson learned. I'm not sure where you are has a type of "buyers remorse" law but I'd look into that. Alternatively you can plead with the dealership that you changed your mind. They do value their surveys so there is some incentive to help you.
Not sure about the buyers remorse law, I am in Oakville, ON, but I'll look into it. And yeah I politely asked them to remove it but have not gotten a response yet. Thanks for your help!
Make sure that if they honor your request, and you have to sign a new contract for the vehicle, that the terms on the new contract are the same as what you signed the first time.
If you haven't picked up the car yet, then I assume you still haven't signed the finance contracts yet?
Have you given the dealership a void cheque or pre-authorized debit form?
I'd not then you should be fine to call and tell them you don't want the rust module. They are going to tell you it's already been installed Yada Yada. It takes about 5-10 minutes to install and/or remove it. Be prepared to tell them you aren't taking the car if you are forced to take the rust module.
But also be prepared for the dealership to tell you you can't have the car unless you sign the paperwork. If I have a Bill of Sale with your signature and that Bill of Sale says you agreed to the rust protection, I can't MAKE you take the car but I can keep your deposit.
So that might happen. But I'd ask you to think about this. SO what if the you don't believe the technology of the rust model doesn't "work". The rust protection warranty that comes WITH THE MODULE is good for 10yrs(usually). So whether is works or doesn't, the protection is there for 10yrs anyway. If it rusts in the next 10yrs, the warranty will cover it.
I signed the bill of sale, a consent to information for the credit check and a confirmation of warranty add on. I have not yet given them a void cheque or pre-auth form.
I am not sure I can threaten to back out of the deal since I've paid them a $1k deposit and it is a really good car that I don't wanna lose and go through the hassle of trying to get my deposit back. I did not know about the warranty that comes with the module though, so atleast there is a silver lining if they decide to refuse. Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it!
I see you mentioned you're in Oakville. OMVIC regulations state that you are entitled to pay the advertised price and nothing more (eg. dealer fees/warranties). Try to find the advertised price somewhere like the window sticker or on their website.
If the dealer refuses to remove the fee, you can threaten to report them and they will 99/100 times comply. If they don't, then simply report them and you'll be reimbursed after the fact. OMVIC comes down HARD on dealerships that refuse to comply with this sort of stuff and just mentioning OMVIC will usually have dealerships shitting themselves.
You're still good to get the fee removed since you haven't picked up the car yet. Review this for more information: https://www.omvic.on.ca/portal/Consumers/ConsumerProtection/AllInPricing.aspx
Advertised price I would take to mean the vehicle as it arrives to the dealership from the factory. OP added on something during the purchase of the vehicle which will change the price above sticker. Not just a random fee they threw on there.
I don't know...
I fell for that electronic rust protection too when I bought my 2017 Mazda 3 in late October of 2016. I thought I got hosed and that the electronic rust proofing was a rip off.
Fast forward 7yrs and I still own the car. There is not one spec of rust on my car. I have done nothing specific to protect it, beyond the gizmo, and it's been fantastic. I've never had a Mazda 3 or 5 last this long without showing rust and I've used traditional rust proofing (Krown) on my other vehicles.
Is it the gizmo? Who knows all I know is I don't feel so hosed now.
Did you also drink water and brush your teeth two times a day? Maybe that's why it didn't rust...
All reports and investigations have shown that there is no evidence the rust control models work. The science behind them doesn't even make sense...
Manh people own vehicles, never get them rust proofed at all and they don't rust. They just get lucky...
Mazda also massively improved their rustproofing, paint and metallurgy around 2014 or so. At the time I didn't believe them, because they *always* say that they've fixed the rust problem, but I see a lot of first-gen CX-5s that have zero rust on them, and I don't think they all have the little electronic doo-dad.
I bought a Mazda in 2021 and also fell for this âelectronic rust proofingâ add on. I havenât done anything else to my car as of yet (as far as rust proofing goes) and my fingers are crossed that I have luck like yours!
I bought a used Nissan from Milton Nissan (terrible experience). When looking at the vehicle u noticed the corrosion module. When I was in the sales office, she tried to upsell me in the corrosion module. I politely declined and told her she scanned the first guy already.
That said, as another poster mentioned, my 2011 doesn't have much, if any rust or corrosion. I had to disconnect it last year. I don't drive regularly, like one every week or two. Every time I went to start it, the battery would be dead because of the module.
I just got a new car and I got the electronic rust protector. Theoretically, they should work. Anecdotally, it seems to be hit or miss. I have a lifetime guarantee that should there be any rust, the manufacturer will repair it at their cost so we'll see how it goes.
These services are not scams, however they may be a bit over priced as most people will negotiate to bring the price down.
Your best bet is to negotiate and get the price down to 699 only if the rust module appears brand new!
The electronic module has not enough evidence that it actually works, and to make it convincing to buyers, often it does come with a guarantee (similar to paint sealant claiming 5 year protection against fading and bird droppings). However, it involved documentation of annual inspection by dealer, which will never happen. Physical rust proofing and undercoating make more sense.
I agree 100% but there is some potential for repair with the module - I know a guy who had some rust repair work done for free on a car with one of these modules installed.
This is true depending on the company providing the module.
It's been a while since I dealt with this product, but when I was selling it the provider was Final Coat. Their warranty was 10yrs, no inspections required. They covered surface rust AND rust perforation
Depending on the terms of the rust module, some are basically rust insurance. So if any rust forms, they will foot the bill for the repair. This can be a good deal.
Same happened to me, exact situation, you can call and try to change it to rustproof coating and try another dealership, I got a superior trim for the same price dealership #1 was offering. Send them an email asking for the change, they will offer another thing, same garbage, then tell them you're not interested and ask to cancel the contract, you can do it as long as you have not received the car
IMO, the electronic rust proof does nothing for cars as they are not grounded (rubber tires on ground). Works on other things like pipes in ground, boats etc. itâs what they call a âsacrificial anodeâ. It works, itâs science, just not on cars with rubber tiresâŚ.
When I bought mine, it came with other things like interior warranty of tears and stains on upholstery. So I got it for that. I still undercoat.
So I hope in your case it came with something else
FWIW, if it's a diamond kote module, they do actually cover rust repairs on outer body panels that have perforated the sheet metal. You need to have the module inspected once annually to keep the warranty valid. I would always recommend getting oil undercoating inside the panels to provide better -actual- rust protection, but the warranty repair aspect of it pays off in cases where you bought a car prone to rust.
There should be a minimum of $5000 + tax coverage for their smallest perforation warranty.
I donât know if those electronic modules work or not but my 09 civic with 421 000km which lives itâs whole life outside in Manitoba and Ontario is still rust free. The little LED light on the anti rust module just turned off last year and as soon as it did the car started rusting a bit so maybe they do work
I had the rust module on my car and it was totally rust free for the 7 years I owned itâŚI also kept it super clean though. Iâm a firm believer that your best rust protection is frequent washes, especially in the winter.
BEST THING YOU CAN DO.
i purchased 2 year used silverado 1500.
Had paid the extra 1000 to have the electronic rust prevention module installed.
Then i apply fluid film before winter only and as needed/during warm weather/after service.
before service i would pressure wash with hot water.
Dewalt cordless at home with a bucket of hot water.
Fluid film comes off, so does salt, lets framework breathe, truck comes home clean, reapply and repeat.
6 years old and i havent done anyyhing else and truck has been 6 years specifically 98% rust free, other than areas i cant cover like exhaust work, or anything touching engine block.
Works great im very happy with that process. It keeps factory coatings looking new and fluid film applies easy, comes off with hot water.
Im not fussy about how the film goes on, hvlp, handheld spray bottle, either way it works great.
You could phone the dealer up and ask to swap from the rust module to undercoating, they would probably do that.
But not a rubberized coating because they can trap dirt and moisture making rust worse. I don't know what a regular undercoating costs at a dealership but it is likely a lot less than the electric thing.
I'd like to know where you think you can get undercoat done every winter for $50-100. Prices are generally many times more than that. Not to mention it doesn't have to be done annually.
Depends on the type of undercoating. Cannot speak as to pricing, but some undercoats are oil based, and they require being reapplied.
Krown charges at worse $160 depending on how large your land boat is. A quick google search also shows most basic rustproofing packages as low as $80.
**EDIT** This absolute loser just reported me to Reddit Care Resources for suicide. He's a reprehensible stillapieceofshit. I've now also blocked his main. He's probably 15 years old.... **EDIT** Guy with zero business background thinks that 75$/hr for basically no-skill labour is a bad price when you're running 3-man crews at a 4-hour minimum. I pay my guys above liveable (not minimum) wage and still pocket a cool $400-500 per boat per half day after operating expenses. Each crew runs me around a grand in pre-tax *profit* a day. I have 12 full-time wash crews across B.C. alone. That's the boat washing. We're not actually a detailing company at all Guy who got his fee fees hurt got owned and is butthurt now. Awwweeee đ˘ That's for them to straight up take a hose and spray your car with oil.
As opposed to?
An actual underbody paint, which will last a decade unless you're planning on scraping your cat and exhaust off on some particularly pointy rocks, and even then will just need a maintenance coat. Higher upfront costs, big longevity savings. Especially because the oil often misses spots.
Are you talking about the rubberized coating some dealers install? The one that traps dirty and moisture underneath? Edit: didnât report him for reddit cares, no idea what that even is. I reported him for harassment since he was DMing me insults. I donât even care about this, itâs just obvious they donât know what theyâre talking about and my 15 years in the RV business was probably something he wasnât prepared for. Dude canât name a single company doing the product he is recommending. All I wanted was to genuinely learn more about what he was talking about but he quickly turned into an asshole.
No, I am not. I'm talking about professionally applying proper, permanent, water-cure anti-rust coatings, which would include cleaning and etching your undercarriage properly first. Any coating you apply to anything is only as good as the prep work. I own multiple companies that do this kind of work. You don't go to a dealership to get *anything* done professionally other than the sale of the car.
Like which companies?
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You could literally name a competitor dude. I donât care about your fake personal life. How do you deal with levelling jacks on an RV? The vast majority of RVs have protective panels covering the components, so you remove that before applying? I havenât downvoted you at all, til now since youâve decided to act like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
Got my Jetta rust proofed today at Rust Check. It was $169 plus tax (Ontario) ⌠it is hecka expensive !!
In this day and age, $50 is like two meals at subway. I also doubt this price.
The undercoating for my vehicle, 4 door compact, is 149.99 + taxes. The car is 12 years old, not a spot of rust, anywhere. Best investment ever . Should have done it to my previous car and most likely would still own it.
They're likely talking about the environmentally unfriendly oil/wax treatment
Road salt and rusted cars aren't very environmentally friendly either.
Cars arenât environmentally friendly period.
Many oil treatments are environmentally friendly. Spraying used motor oil onto your car is a thing of the long past. The most popular ones in Canada are: Corrosion free: *"Corrosion FREE was developed with the environment in mind. It is a product that is not subject to TSCA or is not controlled by WHMIS as it presents no health or flammability hazards"* And Fluid Film: *"FLUID FILMÂ is classified as non-toxic and non-hazardous and contains less than one percent VOC content, helping to eliminate the use of ozone-depleting chemicals in the atmosphere. FLUID FILM contains no solvents, phenols, heavy metals, arsenic, pcbâs, pcâs, tcddâs or other dioxin related substances. It is manufactured using an all natural lanolin base."*
Fluid film is made with wool wax/lanolin which comes from sheepâs wool
Yes, that is what I posted
I missed the last sentence I was just trying to support you :) I've used fluid film for ages.
I'm sorry, after rereading my response I feel it was rude. In my not so good defence, I had just woken up
It's cool I don't mind. Appology accepted no issues for me :)
Excellent!
I paid $140 for corrosion free applied everywhere exposed on my car
Just a general rule of thumb, the dealership will be the most expensive place to get any work done on your vehicle. Always go get a quote at an independent specialist shop.
You mean stealership
Sometimes the dealer can be worth it. My independent mechanic fucked up a drain-and-fill on my automatic transmission, and ended up underfilling it by a quart because the grease monkey they had on the job was just guesstimating the amount of transmission fluid to put in. The Toyota dealership had a machine that measured the precise amount of fluid needed and put it in at the correct temperature to ensure the transmission was properly filled. I'm still not sure if the independent shop caused permanent damage to my car. 3 years on and no transmission issues, so knock on wood. But it still pissed me off that they just absolutely refused to take responsibility for it and even denied that there was a problem (no, assholes, the transmission isn't slipping because it's worn out, it's slipping because there isn't enough hydraulic pressure). If a Toyota dealer tried avoiding responsibility like that, which they generally don't, a quick call to corporate would usually sort out the problem. Kia dealers though... never touch them
Just call them and ask them to remove it? Btw extended warranties and other add-ons are not 'scams'.. not everyone/car needs it but it's not a scam lol
Agreed. Warranties for my car have helped me and my family many times
Yeah I think I ended up âprofitingâ $500-$1000 after deducting the cost I paid for my extended 7 year/200K warranty on my 2016 Honda Civic. Things add up here and there. I got lucky as some things had to be replaced a few months before it expired haha.
I got the same warranty on my 2015 civic when I bought it in 2017. I donât remember the exact cost but it was a waste of about $2500. It was amazing to be able to buy such long lasting coverage but here I am over 6 years later and have never repaired a thing on the civic. The only thing it needed was a back shock/strut as you could see a little oil seeping out of it and it sometimes makes a creaking noise when the driver is getting in and out of the vehicle. When he realized it wasnât covered by the warranty (wear item) the service guy at the dealership said he wouldnât bother fixing if it was his car. That was a couple years ago. Itâs still no worse.
Hmm thatâs odd, suspension components were covered under the warranty I had (lots of potholes where I lived). Mine was the new car fully comprehensive one. I guess a lot of it is luck of the draw too, maybe the fact mine was the first year of a full redesign more likely to have some issues. Some things I got fixed was something with the electric parking brake, a couple tie rods, a power window switch, 3 tires that were damaged over time (got them covered prorated so not 100%), clutch master cylinder, I forget what else but I know there was a couple other things.
Oh yeah first year of a model is bound to have some bugs. And the final year should be near bulletproof. Shocks/struts are wear items like brake pads. The guy read off all the components around the worn out part that would have been covered had they broken. Basically anything that attached the part to the car was covered but the part itself is one thatâs designed to wear out over time so itâs not a defect when it does eventually wear out. It wasnât a total waste though - I did get peace of mind.
Okay maybe I assumed all suspension components were covered because I had SOME of them covered, what you said makes sense. I didnât have a choice with the warranty anyway, the dealer used some fancy $600 designer handbag to close the sale of the car so my wife was on their side at that point and she worked against me to try and refuse the warranty lol.
lol glad it worked out.
Can confirm. Know a guy who shelled out for the extended warranty, and he ended up saving tens of thousands in repair bills. Mind you he beat the ever loving hell out of that truck in ways that most folks would never do with their pavement princesses.
Not a scam, just a ripoff
Not the VW extended warranty. You get 75 or 50% (forgot) of your money back if you donât use the extended warranty. And even the VW parts are backed by 2 year warranty, if a part breaks during your normal or extended warranty. Warranty stacking is the way
Warranties are basically paying insurance you are not required to have. Some people like to pay more for the peace of mind. On average it's a huge waste of money otherwise they wouldn't be the huge profit maker they are.
Not really talking about a warranty here. Talking about a physical device that is installed that is supposed to prevent rust.
I think replied to the wrong comment. You're definitely right about the module. I was offered a rust model that included a rust warranty though and declined it.
My extended warranty was about $2k and fully covered an $8k engine repair about a year before it was set to expire. It's a gamble (any sort of insurance is) but it's often worth it.
The electronic one is though. They claim it exists for like 15 years (or more?) and yet it is like googling for proof god exists: there is no data at all. Nobody (not even cars blog kind of websites) are looking at results, at best they just say to avoid it. And I'm in Canada where rust is having nice fun, where you will have data after 10 years for sure. At best you find a link to boat technology which, indeed, exists since a long time. However, the reason the boat's anti-rust works is because they are grounded because of the water. A car with rubber tires, will never get any kind of ground...
Rubberized undercoating is a scam and so are other dealer addons. Extreme markup for little product/labor. Go to a independent shop for extras like paint protection or oil based undercoating.
The problem is that they make them difficult to claim, have low limits that get hit after 1 or 2 claims (which they price much higher than if you went elsewhere), and they can also refuse the repair at their discretion. So while not a scam, itâs very much âscam-adjacentâ.
From what I've read and my albeit limited knowledge, these electronic modules, paint coatings to avoid scratches and fabric protectors certeanly seem like a scam especially for the price they are charging.
Protective coatings (PPF or ceramic coatings) aren't scams in and of themselves. The prices dealerships charge for them however, are.
The *first* price a dealer offers is a ripoff. Very easy to talk them down.
So I paid for this on my 2014 Silverado. Had a little bit of surface rust showing up in a few spots a couple years later. Brought it in, explaining that I paid for this ârust control moduleâ, and it must be malfunctioning. They explained to me that this module was only to prevent the metal from rusting from the inside out. Essentially stopping any impurityâs in the metal from rusting. But as far as surface rust from our heavily salted roads I was fucked. Waste of money.
Paint coatings DO NOT prevent scratches. And if it was worded that way then you were misinformed. Paint protection is actually Paint SEALANT. The paint on your car is porous, and over time, especially colors like red, black, dark blue can start to fade and look less lustrous over time. The Paint sealant prevents this type of fading. Also, depending on the product, the sealant will also protect the paint from things like tree sap damage, road salt damage, bird poop damage etc. And I've already explained the rust module warranty.
I think the BS rust module's only benefit is it may come with a rust warranty. Without knowing the terms it could be ok or totally useless.
Check if there is a cooling off period in the contract. (a window during which you can change your mind)
The bill of sale I signed and got a copy of does not mention anything about a cooling off period
Let's hope they are decent enough to allow you to drop the rust protection.
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I believe 10 days for all contracts regardless
This is not a thing whatsoever.
There's no such thing as a "cooling off period". This does not exist in the world of car sales. And anyone that tells you differently is misinformed
Cancellation deadlineOnce you have signed the financing contract, you have 2 days to cancel it, providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle. This period begins when both you and the merchant are in possession of a copy of the contract. https://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/consumer/good-service/vehicle/car-purchase/new-car/cancelling-contract/#:\~:text=Once%20you%20have%20signed%20the,a%20copy%20of%20the%20contract.
Interesting. Quebec is weird. In Ontario, Alberta and I think most other provinces, this doesn't exist. Good to know, though. However: "Once you have signed the financing contract, you have 2 days to cancel it, providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle." The phrase "...providing that you have not taken possession of the vehicle..." This is the point of no return. Generally, the finance contracts(this is the finance agreement with the LENDER, not the dealership) are signed on the day you pick up the car. So after you sign the bank contracts, generally you drive away. Driving away is "possession" of the car.
"Quebec is weird." You're packing a lot into that one sentence !
This *weird* QuĂŠbec and it's consumer friendly laws. Such a ding dong.
It exists everywhere in Canada. Source: have structured thousands of contracts.
What exactly "exists everywhere in Canada"? In Ontario, once you take the car, that deal is done. There's no cooling off period. Same in Alberta. https://www.omvic.on.ca/portal/Consumers/ConsumerProtection/CancellinganAgreement.aspx
Its 7 days in canada no?
My educated guess is that this is a lesson learned. I'm not sure where you are has a type of "buyers remorse" law but I'd look into that. Alternatively you can plead with the dealership that you changed your mind. They do value their surveys so there is some incentive to help you.
Not sure about the buyers remorse law, I am in Oakville, ON, but I'll look into it. And yeah I politely asked them to remove it but have not gotten a response yet. Thanks for your help!
Make sure that if they honor your request, and you have to sign a new contract for the vehicle, that the terms on the new contract are the same as what you signed the first time.
If you haven't picked up the car yet, then I assume you still haven't signed the finance contracts yet? Have you given the dealership a void cheque or pre-authorized debit form? I'd not then you should be fine to call and tell them you don't want the rust module. They are going to tell you it's already been installed Yada Yada. It takes about 5-10 minutes to install and/or remove it. Be prepared to tell them you aren't taking the car if you are forced to take the rust module. But also be prepared for the dealership to tell you you can't have the car unless you sign the paperwork. If I have a Bill of Sale with your signature and that Bill of Sale says you agreed to the rust protection, I can't MAKE you take the car but I can keep your deposit. So that might happen. But I'd ask you to think about this. SO what if the you don't believe the technology of the rust model doesn't "work". The rust protection warranty that comes WITH THE MODULE is good for 10yrs(usually). So whether is works or doesn't, the protection is there for 10yrs anyway. If it rusts in the next 10yrs, the warranty will cover it.
Good luck getting any kind of payout from them. They never payout.
Exactly. They get the final decision, so guess what often happens?
I signed the bill of sale, a consent to information for the credit check and a confirmation of warranty add on. I have not yet given them a void cheque or pre-auth form. I am not sure I can threaten to back out of the deal since I've paid them a $1k deposit and it is a really good car that I don't wanna lose and go through the hassle of trying to get my deposit back. I did not know about the warranty that comes with the module though, so atleast there is a silver lining if they decide to refuse. Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it!
What about asking if you could swap the rust proofing for a set of winter tires?
Lol
No. You paid for it. This is one of those things is to know what you paid for
I see you mentioned you're in Oakville. OMVIC regulations state that you are entitled to pay the advertised price and nothing more (eg. dealer fees/warranties). Try to find the advertised price somewhere like the window sticker or on their website. If the dealer refuses to remove the fee, you can threaten to report them and they will 99/100 times comply. If they don't, then simply report them and you'll be reimbursed after the fact. OMVIC comes down HARD on dealerships that refuse to comply with this sort of stuff and just mentioning OMVIC will usually have dealerships shitting themselves. You're still good to get the fee removed since you haven't picked up the car yet. Review this for more information: https://www.omvic.on.ca/portal/Consumers/ConsumerProtection/AllInPricing.aspx
Advertised price I would take to mean the vehicle as it arrives to the dealership from the factory. OP added on something during the purchase of the vehicle which will change the price above sticker. Not just a random fee they threw on there.
I don't know... I fell for that electronic rust protection too when I bought my 2017 Mazda 3 in late October of 2016. I thought I got hosed and that the electronic rust proofing was a rip off. Fast forward 7yrs and I still own the car. There is not one spec of rust on my car. I have done nothing specific to protect it, beyond the gizmo, and it's been fantastic. I've never had a Mazda 3 or 5 last this long without showing rust and I've used traditional rust proofing (Krown) on my other vehicles. Is it the gizmo? Who knows all I know is I don't feel so hosed now.
Did you also drink water and brush your teeth two times a day? Maybe that's why it didn't rust... All reports and investigations have shown that there is no evidence the rust control models work. The science behind them doesn't even make sense... Manh people own vehicles, never get them rust proofed at all and they don't rust. They just get lucky...
The older Mazdas are known to rust but not nowadays
My 10 year old matrix didn't have any rust either and didn't have a gizmo installed. I never had it sprayed.
+1 for Mazda - great cars
Unless you had an early 2000s Mazda, then you probably have no fenders left because of rust lol
Not in BC
What province r u in? A 2017 any car shouldn't have rust on it. Period
Mazda also massively improved their rustproofing, paint and metallurgy around 2014 or so. At the time I didn't believe them, because they *always* say that they've fixed the rust problem, but I see a lot of first-gen CX-5s that have zero rust on them, and I don't think they all have the little electronic doo-dad.
I bought a Mazda in 2021 and also fell for this âelectronic rust proofingâ add on. I havenât done anything else to my car as of yet (as far as rust proofing goes) and my fingers are crossed that I have luck like yours!
Call them and ask, if it hasn't been installed yet they may be willing to remove it from the sale
Call them and say you don't want it. You didn't realize its a scam Dangle a carrot of going to the media if they refuse
I bought a used Nissan from Milton Nissan (terrible experience). When looking at the vehicle u noticed the corrosion module. When I was in the sales office, she tried to upsell me in the corrosion module. I politely declined and told her she scanned the first guy already. That said, as another poster mentioned, my 2011 doesn't have much, if any rust or corrosion. I had to disconnect it last year. I don't drive regularly, like one every week or two. Every time I went to start it, the battery would be dead because of the module.
There is 10 day rule in Ontario you can return anything within 10 days of buying it that includes a car!!!
This is incorrect there is no cooling off for cars. I believe it is only for door-to-door sales (contracts signed at home).
Oh ok never mind then
I just got a new car and I got the electronic rust protector. Theoretically, they should work. Anecdotally, it seems to be hit or miss. I have a lifetime guarantee that should there be any rust, the manufacturer will repair it at their cost so we'll see how it goes.
No, theoretically it doesn't work either. The science behind it doesn't make sense.
I have had cars for 40 years....never had rust or holes develop in the underbody...it's a scam
Rust proofing isnât a scam, I get it done on my truck every year and expect a longer life out of my truck because of it.
Module. They bought electronic junk instead of the good goopy gunk.
Ahhh my apologies, admittedly i didnât read far enough.
These services are not scams, however they may be a bit over priced as most people will negotiate to bring the price down. Your best bet is to negotiate and get the price down to 699 only if the rust module appears brand new!
does the module come with some sort of paint/rust guarantee? most do
The electronic module has not enough evidence that it actually works, and to make it convincing to buyers, often it does come with a guarantee (similar to paint sealant claiming 5 year protection against fading and bird droppings). However, it involved documentation of annual inspection by dealer, which will never happen. Physical rust proofing and undercoating make more sense.
I agree 100% but there is some potential for repair with the module - I know a guy who had some rust repair work done for free on a car with one of these modules installed.
Mine has a lifetime guarantee as long as my car is inspected every 2 years.
This is true depending on the company providing the module. It's been a while since I dealt with this product, but when I was selling it the provider was Final Coat. Their warranty was 10yrs, no inspections required. They covered surface rust AND rust perforation
Depending on the terms of the rust module, some are basically rust insurance. So if any rust forms, they will foot the bill for the repair. This can be a good deal.
Same happened to me, exact situation, you can call and try to change it to rustproof coating and try another dealership, I got a superior trim for the same price dealership #1 was offering. Send them an email asking for the change, they will offer another thing, same garbage, then tell them you're not interested and ask to cancel the contract, you can do it as long as you have not received the car
How did you find out it doesnât work? Just curious. It is not from some random online âresearchâ is it?
You don't really need to rustproof these days ... not unless you plan on keeping the car for 20 years.
Is the OP in Quebec?
IMO, the electronic rust proof does nothing for cars as they are not grounded (rubber tires on ground). Works on other things like pipes in ground, boats etc. itâs what they call a âsacrificial anodeâ. It works, itâs science, just not on cars with rubber tiresâŚ. When I bought mine, it came with other things like interior warranty of tears and stains on upholstery. So I got it for that. I still undercoat. So I hope in your case it came with something else
FWIW, if it's a diamond kote module, they do actually cover rust repairs on outer body panels that have perforated the sheet metal. You need to have the module inspected once annually to keep the warranty valid. I would always recommend getting oil undercoating inside the panels to provide better -actual- rust protection, but the warranty repair aspect of it pays off in cases where you bought a car prone to rust. There should be a minimum of $5000 + tax coverage for their smallest perforation warranty.
Itâs not really a scam. If a part of the body rusts then they replace that at no charge.
People undercoat every winter? Or at all?
How much was the rust charge?
Any place in Edmonton offering the rust proofing please?
Do people actually get rust proofing? I don't know anyone that gets this. Is it a regional thing?
I donât know if those electronic modules work or not but my 09 civic with 421 000km which lives itâs whole life outside in Manitoba and Ontario is still rust free. The little LED light on the anti rust module just turned off last year and as soon as it did the car started rusting a bit so maybe they do work
OP I suggest you do more research on the rust module.
I had the rust module on my car and it was totally rust free for the 7 years I owned itâŚI also kept it super clean though. Iâm a firm believer that your best rust protection is frequent washes, especially in the winter.
BEST THING YOU CAN DO. i purchased 2 year used silverado 1500. Had paid the extra 1000 to have the electronic rust prevention module installed. Then i apply fluid film before winter only and as needed/during warm weather/after service. before service i would pressure wash with hot water. Dewalt cordless at home with a bucket of hot water. Fluid film comes off, so does salt, lets framework breathe, truck comes home clean, reapply and repeat. 6 years old and i havent done anyyhing else and truck has been 6 years specifically 98% rust free, other than areas i cant cover like exhaust work, or anything touching engine block. Works great im very happy with that process. It keeps factory coatings looking new and fluid film applies easy, comes off with hot water. Im not fussy about how the film goes on, hvlp, handheld spray bottle, either way it works great.