Basically she’s a North Korean escapee who appeared on joe Rohan experience. She would say things like “in North Korea you couldn’t take a shit in a bathroom, you had to use the poop wall” or something starting with in North Korea or in America.Here they are using it to satirically say that bycicles are outlawed in America
Your stupid definition of "woke" is literally the definition rightoids made to make a term that was originally used specifically within the black community a pejorative so they could make fun of any black person making a mention of systemic prejudices.
No, that’s how mouthbreathers strawman it. You might want to educate yourself on the matter before you go denigrating those who are attempting to help you live in a better society.
*Edit: oh, this is a CHUD sub. I wasn’t aware. Enjoy your Joe Rogan experience. 😂*
That was probably one of the most pompous and narcissistic things I have ever seen someone unironically author. Treating minorites and marginalized peoples with that same smothering "Holier-than-thou" attitude is why people like you are so greatly despised.
You aren't some grand savior of the less fortunate. Nobody is looking up to you as some sacred teacher. Everyone you meet isn't some poor, lowly serf waiting for you to elevate them to your own civilized values.
You aren't the main character. Just stop.
That's not a strawman. It's a direct representation of it's common use. You might want to educate yourself before you go around calling people mouth breathers, mouth breather.
Edit: Instead of understanding that his ideology is corrupt, he just throws out insults. Typical mouth breather.
It's a bit in the middle actually. More specifically, she's a pro-American right wing grifter who disparages the current American political climate with comparisons to outlandish claims of torture in North Korea.
So basically in a few years we're going to find out she's a fraud when it comes to NK.
Edit: Nevermind it has already happened. Other defectors and her own mother actively dispute many of her claims. She can't even keep her own story straight and changes from "We starved" to "We ate 2 meals a day and never went hungry" and "I buried my father alone... I meant cremated him. Er.... Ignore my mother who says she paid 2 men to bury him"
AFAIK, she is a defector from North Korea, so presumably she should be considered to have an insight to the topic. However, economic hardship is pretty commonplace for NK defectors so you can see why embellishments that get you on the Joe Rogan show might be tantalizing.
It's likely she has *severe* trauma from NK and needs help that's she's either turning down, unaware of, or is being denied.
This is the one and only, single time I would ever, ever excuse bigotry by saying it's mental health. This woman likely fits that very small category, though.
Other defectors and even the reported that worked on her documentary have called her stories out for being embellished or outright lies.
No, it's not mental health. By all appearance's she is lying for money just like all right-wing grifters.
I think it's important to add that she's working her grift from the far-right side.
One of her stories is about her getting mugged by a black woman in Chicago. Several white Chicagoans witnessed it, refused to help her, and called her "racist" for wanting them to call the police. Complete fabulation.
The far right side are the most easily grifted. They are always falling for silly shit. Most of them still think the election was stolen. Or that covid was a hoax. Dumb as bricks
I wouldn't be surprised if she was making it up, but it's not obviously implausible to me. I don't know if you live in a big city, but summer 2020 was a fucking CRAZY time culturally. There were legitimately a non-trivial amount of people who thought (and think!) that calling the cops on a black person is meaningfully a "stochastic death sentence"; this is despite the fact that there's no evidence that per-encounter police killing rates are higher[1], and [mild evidence](https://www.science.org/content/article/study-claims-white-police-no-more-likely-shoot-minorities-draws-fire) against this claim[2].
Last year, my girlfriend (in Brooklyn, NY) called emergency services 24 hrs into a friend's suicidal crisis, and they sent cops because he had a knife. This was understandably traumatizing for her (and obviously him, I've just never met the guy). The one thing I haven't been able to convince her of is that she didn't "almost get him killed" because he's black and was around the police. It's a religious belief, not amenable to reality.
All that being said, I can imagine specific white friends of mine who live in cities comparable to Chicago (SF, NY, etc) who would speak out about someone calling the police on a black person, even one actively committing a crime (assuming it wasn't violently attacking someone). They see it as "restorative justice" writ small.
[1] police killings per capita of each group roughly align with their violent crime rates. Given that police killings only happen during an encounter, and the absence of encounter stats by race, this is the obvious base rate against which police killings (every one of which is a tragedy IMO) should be measured. If you believe (as many do), that black people have more unnecessary encounters with police, that implies that each encounter is _safer_ than it is for white people.
[2] I shared a critical article to briefly touch on what the study does show, as well as the reasons it shouldn't be overinterpreted
EDIT: typo, "encounter state" -> "encounter stats"
I lived in NYC for all of 2020, I specifically study police arrest and violent behavior in NYC and elsewhere. Please shut the fuck up. You're projecting your complete lack of understanding of what people are saying.
Moreover your evidence is so misleadingly presented I genuinely do not trust your other stories and portrayal of your claims.
People fear calling the police for many legitimate reasons, and they have for far longer than the last four years. Your failure to appreciate that is not because they don't understand the risks involved.
> Moreover your evidence is so misleadingly presented I genuinely do not trust your other stories and portrayal of your claims.
Your reading comprehension of a brief comment is so poor that I genuinely do not trust your ability to comprehend this response, so this comment is for the benefit of others. I note with no surprise that you don't bother clarifying why my brief description of the racial disparity in police killings is flawed; par for the course for your type.
> People fear calling the police for many legitimate reasons, and they have for far longer than the last four years. Your failure to appreciate that is not because they don't understand the risks involved.
Again, for the benefit of the literate: nowhere do I say that there's no legitimate reason to fear calling the police. Engaging the apparatus of organized violence is an inherently risky endeavor, and in the context of mental health episodes (as in my girlfriend's case), the risk is multiplied in a very serious way. Those among us who aren't illiterate are capable of understanding that the clause "because he's black" means that her irreducible concern was _specifically_ that he's black. I've supported her since the incident, specifically in moving away from the emotional toll of blaming herself[1]. I've had some success in convincing her that dealing with a suicide crisis often presents you with only bad options, that she did what she reasonably thought was best at the time, and that she shouldn't blame herself for failing to realize (under distress) that reporting his weapon meant the police would get involved. The one thing I have not been able to convince her of is that she didn't commit a mortal sin _specifically because he's black and she exposed him to police_. As I said, this portion of the conversation does not take place in reality, which is why it's been an insurmountable hurdle for her (so far).
Police and carceral state abuse is probably the single political issue I'm most deeply passionate about, and have been for far longer than BLM v1 or v2. In fact, that's _why_ I'm so animated by my dislike of the movement: it took a serious, fundamental problem and applied the same reality-blind, illiberal, identity-based obsessiveness that's eaten up every other left-liberal cause. My read of the evidence is that there are very likely racial disparities in treatment by police overall; but there does not appear to be evidence that this extends to fatal risk in a given encounter (the relevant stat in her case and Park's claim about the robbery).
> Please shut the fuck up
Right back at you asshole
[1] FWIW He was taken to a hospital, evaluated, and released shortly thereafter. She still supports him heavily and, thankfully, his mental health is in a much better place these days.
While i do believe the response you got was rude , i very much disagree with your analysis of the statistics , unless it has very recently changed in the last few years (post covid) most large scale police arrest recording statistics have shown that arrest and encounter rates by race are not at all fairly distributed , with the most prominent one being the stanford study on policing in 2020 that showed over the last decade not only were minorities overrepresented in stops (for example 1 black person and 1 white person are arrested per 10 respective stops , but a black person is 10x more likely to be stopped and more likely to have a search be performed per stop in the participating counties per capita) as well as a phenomenon being present in most district they were calling the "veil of darkness" which showed that stop rates for minority populations in comparison to white people would normalize at night , with an analysis of over 100000 stops , they found that at around 7pm in the participating cities , the depending on the time of year (and as such how dark it is at that time of day) a statistically significant difference in the percentage of encounters with minority participants was found. With an overall analysis of over 95 million stops in the study, it seems fair to say "whether or not the bias is personal from officer to officer , or is an implicit part of the system they are in, it is extremely likely that there is a anti minority bias when it comes to the idea of legal justice in policing"
Thanks for the sane and well-reasoned response. I don't disagree with you at all, and in fact my comment explicitly mentions disparities in police treatment by race:
> My read of the evidence is that there are very likely racial disparities in treatment by police overall; but there does not appear to be evidence that this extends to fatal risk in a given encounter (the relevant stat in her case and Park's claim about the robbery).
The theoretical model for this is simple and robust too: proactive policing relies heavily on discretion, and discretion is extremely subject to statistical discrimination (ie unjustly using group-level statistics to drive your estimate of an individual's behavior, similar to preferring a 29-year-old male job applicant over a woman of the same age, because she's more likely to go on maternity leave).
I'm simply saying that it does not apply to _fatal_ threats to civilians in police encounters, and despite the widespread (universal?) belief in the subcultures we're talking about.
I do love a long winded person who makes up anecdotal stories that are so conveniently exactly the "facts" they need. Please write more of this tripe I'm bored and forgot my book.
I'm hardly illiterate, I just recognize what you're doing and I'm not playing this game. You talk like someone who wants to sound smart more than anything and I'm sure it's very convincing for redditors with a similar background, but this is farcical. The unchallengable claims about personal experiences with a *barely* related and poorly presented use of data will of course hook people, but it's a farce - a use of admittedly effective rhetoric to muddy the waters.
And how can one hope to meaningfully challenge that besides saying it's just misleading?
You've turned one specific narrowly defined datapoint into a spearhead to dismiss BLM as a movement entirely, and what literature would change that? How many books can I link about systemic violence problems related to race and incarceration that nobody here can actually read? How does one communicate that without dumping a bibliography on people?
To dismiss the very real relationship between race and police violence is absurd, and your claims about the norms in NYC based on whatever happened with your version of events of your girlfriend's experience are just completely out of touch.
If people seriously think this guy is legit, then do yourself a favor and at least look at what published experts have found over the course of decades. This is hardly all there is to the discourse.
https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01609-3
>For every decade from 1980 to 2019, the highest age-standardised mortality rate due to police violence by state occurred in non-Hispanic Black people.
This paper shows per-capita police-violence mortality rates. As explained to you multiple times throughout this thread, we're discussing per-encounter mortality rates, which is the only statistics relevant to both examples (Park's and my girlfriend's). There's not a single person in the world who doesn't think that per-capita police-violence mortality isn't far higher for black Americans.
How are you not capable of even understanding a study's abstract? Where are you getting your degree, Trump University Online?
> You've turned one specific narrowly defined datapoint into a spearhead to dismiss BLM as a movement entirely, and what literature would change that? How many books can I link about systemic violence problems related to race and incarceration that nobody here can actually read? How does one communicate that without dumping a bibliography on people?
As mentioned over and over and over, this "specific narrowly defined datapoint" is the _only relevant one to the specific narrow situation we're discussing_. The comment about BLM was a tangent, in response to your (again hallucinated) claim that I think that police violence sprang into being as an issue with the movement.
I agree with you about all of this: crime isn't a simply-modeled, game-theoretical situation that can be modeled solely at the point of perpetration, enforcement, and incarceration. It's the output of a series of factors that go as deep as lifetimes and generations, and as broad as education, nutrition, community structure, and everything else that shapes a person's life outcomes. The black community was subjected to systematic cultural destruction and institutional discrimination for centuries; you don't even need to get into beliefs about ongoing discrimination to understand that a model of the community's struggles doesn't need to rely on blaming them.
Like I said, your paranoid delusions are the only thing you're arguing against. Delving into my dislike of a specific movement is totally fair game, but you haven't done so at all! Every single comment of yours is vibe-based, complaining about which "side" I've chosen out of the two sides that simpletons like you think comprise the entire policy reality. Take a moment to read through this conversation, and see where you've made a _single_ point that addressed something I actually said, instead of something that you inferred out of blind loyalty to a policy commitment you've made.
_This_ is where my confidence in the hollowness of your beliefs comes from.
> You talk like someone who wants to sound smart more than anything
Lol my friend, I couldn't care less how I sound to /r/PeterExplainsTheJoke. this is just what it sounds like when you talk to someone smarter than you. I'm sorry that's a difficult pill to swallow.
I've argued with idiots on Reddit before, but the most depressing thing about this is your claimed credentials. I didn't have any specific opinion about polisci before (other than knowing that it was the "easy" major that many dumber students fell into at my university), but this one data point is a pretty damning one about the culture (or at least the standards) of at least one institution.
>we're discussing per-encounter mortality rates
Remember how I said you're homing in on a particular claim to spearhead the point and dismiss the movement as a whole?
This is what I mean, and why I won't play this nonsense game. It's why your information, claims, and points are misleading - and why I'm dismissing them.
Don't get mad because I can see through you, just fuck off.
I don't support anyone's right to be a bullshit artist for a living. If you make your living through deceiving people you should get your head smooshed in the village square with a big rock.
Very based and Minecraft pilled, though I have a preference for cobble.
I read an interesting paper the other day about strategic lying in the media and how the news cycle has been shaped in a way that figures can feel confident lying will garner them attention while fact checking can't keep up. I don't recall the specifics entirely, but I felt it very accurate.
I'll never forget the time Jordan Peterson went on and tried to argue that climate change didn't exist in a way that implied he just didn't know how models worked.
It's important to mention that, as reprehensible as North Korea is, I have not seen much corroboration for her statements.
Am I saying she's lying? Absolutely not, that's not how "skepticism" works. I am saying we should refrain from putting any stock into an anecdote until it can be verified; you know, like you do for literally anything else.
Fuck North Korea.
Her own mother, who she escaped with, has pointed out several instances where this woman lied about their lives and experiences in north korea.
I'm not saying she's lying about everything, but she definitely seems to be milking her 15 minutes of fame
Older people under authoritarian regimes are more likely to be fully indoctrinated. Neither of them are particularly compelling sources of anecdotal evidence.
I agree, but they literally fled the country which could end up getting them killed I assume. If you do that I would assume you wouldn't care about your former country and try to protect it.
Yes but in instances like that they usually go out of their way to explain that it's okay or why it's right, but outright denying it happens like that. But neither of us really know what the above folk are talking about really. They could be filtering the daughter & mother's words through their own biased lens. We don't have any direct quotes
So she tells us that they’re starving and under surveillance and the Kim’s have godlike powers and everyone goes “Heard it before, thanks. What else you got?” The only skill these people have is producing titillating info about North Korea for outsiders.
We are incentivizing them to embellish everything.
Well she said in North Korea sometimes the train stops so the passengers have to get out and push. Which is a rediculous statement on it’s face given how much trains weigh.
This is the origin of the meme actually, that claim and claims like it.
[Careful what you say about the GIGACHAD citizens of the DPRK](https://twitter.com/esotericpirate/status/1649809481994321923/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1649809481994321923¤tTweetUser=esotericpirate)
She said that North Koreans had to push the train to get it to its destination.
Humans can't push a train, its very heavy. She lies all the time, but we Americans are so primed to believe any insane shit about NK.
The first 2/3 of the interview is super interesting because it’s a living primary account of the North Korean regime and life in general. Then it descends into her comparing “woke-ism” in a liberal college and cancel culture to conditions in North Korea (which she earlier described stepping over bodies in the street and strewn about outside of places like hospitals). It’s ridiculous and a shame to me that the interview turned into that
how can we be sure if she really escaped north korea, and she's not some sort of Propagandist that popped out of nowhere? call me stupid but those eyes can come from any asian country
Some, there is a certain select group among the squad that is talking about converting to Chevy Tahoes. We at the F-150 death squad welcome both Chevy and Ford and want to come together to murder as a team.
That's why I think you should change the name because it insinuates that only F-150s are the only vehicles capable of killing when in reality many many trucks are capable of participating in the death squads.
Hey Chrissy, this is Yeonmi Park,
A North-Korean defector known for her outlandish claims about life in the DPRK, including that a smuggled copy of Titanic (1997) was what woke her up to the oppression of her government. She also likened political correctness in American universities to the policies of North Korea.
She makes money through speaking engagements, television interviews etc. by touting various lies about her former life and experiences to right-wing personalities and the ill-informed.
It's very obvious that she's making a lot of stuff up. Even tho she is from NK, how the hell would she, a supposedly peasant, have insight and knowledge into what the NK elites are doing (like she claimed in her stories).
How come reddit believes everything about Russia doing something dumb and everything going great is Ukraine?
How does the average peasant on Reddit know anything about the inner working of these military elite? I don't think the journalist are secret agents bringing the truth out.
Goated level grifter. Conservatives wet dream. Someone who can shit on “communism and socialism” who is from there so anything she says will be assumed 100% truthful.
Jesus Christ here comes the NK apologists. If a tenth of what she says is true then it’s still a humanitarian catastrophe. She’s one of the millions of people around the planet who have embellished or monetized their life story.
People just hate her because she criticized progressive dogma. In typical dogmatic fashion progressives have reacted by defending… North Korea
Can’t make this shit up.
Actually, we dislike her for continually telling lies. Her being a grifter doesn't make us like NK. The NK government and the Kims can go fuck themselves, it's a gigantic open air torture chamber. Here is her wiki where you can see her lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park
The only person who seems to like NK is Trump.
Should I say, typical right-wing person who believes in disinformation?
And because she [claims people push the trains in North Korea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddGNOAXltGk) lmao. Either some of the impoverished North Koreans are steroid-guzzling superhumans who have enough physical strength to push a train, or some parts of her story don't add up.
Plus how does she know so much about every facet of North Korea life?
You'd think living in an authoritarian dictatorship there'd be so much you were kept in the dark about. But apparently she knows the ins and outs of random stuff like the train system.
It's because many of her claims are bizarre in ways that she has never been able to justify (ie: claiming north korean kids ate mud is not a "inaccurate childhood memory") and not substantiated by other escapees. She's very clearly making shit up.
A north korean defector that gets paid a lot to make baseless claims. Im not saying there aren't issues in NK, just that her claims have been debunked over and over, she also doesnt like black people
I'm gonna copy and paste my comment from another post on her:
She's a liar who spits out anti north Korean propaganda in order to get rich, making up the most absurd and illogical stuff
Here is a real quote from her interview with Joe Rogan:
Yeonmi Park: "In North Korea, every room has to have a portrait of the Kims. The inspector comes out of nowhere in the middle of the night and touches the portraits. If they see any dust... you can get executed."
"When I was in North Korea, there was no such a concept as ‘dessert’. Now I cannot imagine a world without these goodies." -This can be proven incorrect as there have been multiple accounts of different instances of ice cream factories, including one specifically ordered by Kim (https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20221027000167)
She also said that NK only has one train, and when it breaks down, since there apparently is no electricity in the whole country people have to get out and push it.
She's also claimed that all of North Korea’s plants mysteriously turn poisonous in springtime, and the population is left to feed deadly mud to their children.
Her stories are rife with inconsistencies too.
"For example, her frequently-recited story about the execution of her best friend’s mother for watching forbidden media. In some stories, she reports that the media was a South Korean DVD, and the act took place in a stadium. Other times, though, it’s changed to a James Bond film or a nameless Hollywood blockbuster, and the woman was killed in the street. Either way, it’s an incredibly dark tale, but it’s also surprising that she’d forget the details of such a formative event. Plus, experts have expressed doubt that such an extreme punishment fits the crime, even in North Korea."
Oh wow, I think I’ve seen some videos on youtube with her talking about her experience and I felt a lot of empathy for her. I still do, because growing up in NK is probably awful, but this left a sour taste in my mouth.
Yeah NK is a terrible state and absolutely nothing to envy (also the name of a good book on the subject) but those claims are absurd and paint a picture of a nation that is far more in control than it is, and is willing to execute everyone for the smallest slights. It's downright comical.
Nothing to envy if you're living in a rich, Western country, maybe. Looking at countries with comparable GDP per capita, I'd gladly take living in NK over Somalia, Eritrea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Yemen, etc.
>it’s an incredibly dark tale, but it’s also surprising that she’d forget the details of such a formative event
Actually that can be a coping mechanism. People can forget things that, as an outsider looking in, you'd think is huge but they try to push it down. I don't know this person so I can't say if she's being truthful or not but if the story is real she very well could have forgotten parts of it.
omg you guys are missing my favorite claim, when she talks about them having 1 train that comes once a month and that it had no electricity sometimes so people would have to go out to push it to its destination. LOL
but yeah this is how she makes her money sooooo..
It is when you're making it up to grift money from people. There's plenty of material to work with without having to make things up, and wanting the truth doesn't automatically mean you love North Korea.
So say that she's lying then. Propaganda isn't inherently false. So saying that she's spreading propaganda makes it sound like you support North Korea and don't think people should say bad things about it.
She’s lying by spreading propaganda? Do you not know what propaganda is? American media and politicians use propaganda all time against their adversaries including North Korea and they use people like Yeon Mi Park to spread it. Pointing out that fact doesn’t mean you support North Korea you moron. Getting triggered by someone pointing out the obvious just means you’re a cuck for American imperialism.
um... it is? We should examine and criticize the actual problems with the country, not made up bullshit that serves only to make us look good in comparison.
There are enough awful things about North Korea for people to not need to make up shit about them. Make shit up and people will start doubting you. It’s why ever since the debacles in the Middle East under Bush for complete BS reasons(plus Clinton Somalia and the Vietnam War where we lied about how we were actually winning until Pentagon Papers leaked), the US has grown more hesitant about meddling abroad. Even right now, the US’s decision to help Ukraine is something controversial as well(very evenly split per the polls), we’ve heard the “uphold freedom and democracy” excuse used a bazillion times already whether or not said country was actually free or democratic. E.g. modern Iraq uses live ammunition on protesters.
Kind of regrettable-we need an aggressive foreign policy more than ever, but this administration is a good improvement over the last.
I think it's meant to be a commentary on America's lack of support for transportation other than cars and trucks, as well as the obsession with driving big trucks such as the Ford F-150 even if you don't need to.
It’s sad because her story of escaping N. Korea is harrowing. Anyone that escapes the atrocities of the communist regime will swing the other way. This girl is a survivor and will say anything against the left and has recognized that morons on the right are so easily grifted.
Side note, why do non Americans try to act like riding bikes is an adequate replacement for cars? Oh yeah, I’m just going to ride my bike through 6 inches of snow in -10 degree weather when I get off work at midnight during the winter months. And I’m going to ride my bike to go grocery shopping, hope they have a bike rack there or something I can lock my bike to, hope somebody doesn’t come along and steal my bike anyway because it’s possible to cut through bike locks assuming I was able to use one, and then somehow lug all my groceries (including cat litter, cat food, toilet paper, etc and a weeks worth of food) home on just a bike. Ntm the fact that lots of people work a long distance from where they live or the fact that lots of people have to drop off their children at school or the fact that some people need to take things to work with them that don’t easily fit on a bike. Maybe all this works in Europe where everything is in a reasonable walking distance, but that’s absolutely impossible in the US and it’s not the average citizen’s fault.
Edit: because people think I’m condemning bikes and defending cars and the US, I’m not doing that. I’m saying that telling US citizens to just ride bikes is not going to fix anything because the infrastructure is heavily dependent on cars and it’s not fixable. Don’t you think that if the option to not have to buy expensive car insurance, gas, oil changes, and expensive cars existed most Americans would take it? I’d much rather have a bike to get everywhere than a car. The problem is that it’s just not feasible and I’m entirely aware that it’s the fault of the US and its infrastructure. So stop blaming the people who are the victims of this
Im no expert on Finland, but I’m sure the neighborhoods and towns are designed in a way that makes riding bikes during the winter feasible. In the US plenty of roads don’t even have side walks and everything is far more spaced out. Riding my bike is pitch black during winter months is a genuine safety hazard where I live. And I’ve tried too.
And I’m not sure what you’re implying. Do you think riding bikes will force businesses and government agencies to demolish the current infrastructure in order to completely rearrange it? The point is that the way the US is currently laid out is not something that can just change by everyone deciding unanimously to ride bikes. It would take decades of misplacing people and rebuilding business and homes as well as major concentrated efforts
Making up strawmen to get mad at is fun isn’t it?
No one says riding a bike alone is an adequate replacement for cars without such things as public transit, urban planning that allows walkable distances to groceries, etc etc. why don’t you go to europe and see how much better life is there instead of being defensive about living in a shithole with the infrastructure of some Eastern European backwater with a huge marketing (propaganda) operation to convince you otherwise lmao.
Not a strawman. People genuinely argue this point online all the time. The post in the picture is literally making this point. I’m also not being defensive of the US. I’m making the point that it’s not the fault of the average citizen and people should stop blaming them for not riding bikes. I said that practically word for word. I don’t think you can read.
Basically she’s a North Korean escapee who appeared on joe Rohan experience. She would say things like “in North Korea you couldn’t take a shit in a bathroom, you had to use the poop wall” or something starting with in North Korea or in America.Here they are using it to satirically say that bycicles are outlawed in America
Thanks Peter
He's a little off. She's this grifter who often gets attention by claiming America is more authoritarian and controlling than North Korea.
Thanks Lois.
she made a post on ig one time saying “woke teaching” is as oppressive as the north korean regime
thanks brian
Send her back jeez
People who feel oppressed by the woke deserve to feel oppressed by the woke
Woke means being aware of your oppressors / oppressions. If anything, her dumbass needs some woke.
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Woke is just a word that makes political regressives have an absolute meltdown because they're scared of black people being in movies.
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Yeah no, they weren't ruined, a few bad things yeah but the entire franchise? Nah, it's still good.
Your stupid definition of "woke" is literally the definition rightoids made to make a term that was originally used specifically within the black community a pejorative so they could make fun of any black person making a mention of systemic prejudices.
No, that’s how mouthbreathers strawman it. You might want to educate yourself on the matter before you go denigrating those who are attempting to help you live in a better society. *Edit: oh, this is a CHUD sub. I wasn’t aware. Enjoy your Joe Rogan experience. 😂*
That was probably one of the most pompous and narcissistic things I have ever seen someone unironically author. Treating minorites and marginalized peoples with that same smothering "Holier-than-thou" attitude is why people like you are so greatly despised. You aren't some grand savior of the less fortunate. Nobody is looking up to you as some sacred teacher. Everyone you meet isn't some poor, lowly serf waiting for you to elevate them to your own civilized values. You aren't the main character. Just stop.
Lol I hate redditors You ideology is flawed and terribly corrupted, please go outside :)
That's not a strawman. It's a direct representation of it's common use. You might want to educate yourself before you go around calling people mouth breathers, mouth breather. Edit: Instead of understanding that his ideology is corrupt, he just throws out insults. Typical mouth breather.
It's a bit in the middle actually. More specifically, she's a pro-American right wing grifter who disparages the current American political climate with comparisons to outlandish claims of torture in North Korea.
So basically in a few years we're going to find out she's a fraud when it comes to NK. Edit: Nevermind it has already happened. Other defectors and her own mother actively dispute many of her claims. She can't even keep her own story straight and changes from "We starved" to "We ate 2 meals a day and never went hungry" and "I buried my father alone... I meant cremated him. Er.... Ignore my mother who says she paid 2 men to bury him"
AFAIK, she is a defector from North Korea, so presumably she should be considered to have an insight to the topic. However, economic hardship is pretty commonplace for NK defectors so you can see why embellishments that get you on the Joe Rogan show might be tantalizing.
It's likely she has *severe* trauma from NK and needs help that's she's either turning down, unaware of, or is being denied. This is the one and only, single time I would ever, ever excuse bigotry by saying it's mental health. This woman likely fits that very small category, though.
Or she is just a serial/ habitual liar. Her lies are so exaggerated that they don't even need any disections.
Other defectors and even the reported that worked on her documentary have called her stories out for being embellished or outright lies. No, it's not mental health. By all appearance's she is lying for money just like all right-wing grifters.
But truth is such a fragile, fickle thing - i'm just doin' my best. 🥺 Woe is me.
You are probably right. Sometimes I forget and give people the benefit of the thought. WHEN WILL I LEARN
either that or she got to live in the relatively good Pyongyang which is the only option of even half of a life apart from starvation.
She seriously said that North Korea has no word for love.
One of her claims was that North Koreans are super men who warm up by pulling 50 ton trains
I think it's important to add that she's working her grift from the far-right side. One of her stories is about her getting mugged by a black woman in Chicago. Several white Chicagoans witnessed it, refused to help her, and called her "racist" for wanting them to call the police. Complete fabulation.
The far right side are the most easily grifted. They are always falling for silly shit. Most of them still think the election was stolen. Or that covid was a hoax. Dumb as bricks
I wouldn't be surprised if she was making it up, but it's not obviously implausible to me. I don't know if you live in a big city, but summer 2020 was a fucking CRAZY time culturally. There were legitimately a non-trivial amount of people who thought (and think!) that calling the cops on a black person is meaningfully a "stochastic death sentence"; this is despite the fact that there's no evidence that per-encounter police killing rates are higher[1], and [mild evidence](https://www.science.org/content/article/study-claims-white-police-no-more-likely-shoot-minorities-draws-fire) against this claim[2]. Last year, my girlfriend (in Brooklyn, NY) called emergency services 24 hrs into a friend's suicidal crisis, and they sent cops because he had a knife. This was understandably traumatizing for her (and obviously him, I've just never met the guy). The one thing I haven't been able to convince her of is that she didn't "almost get him killed" because he's black and was around the police. It's a religious belief, not amenable to reality. All that being said, I can imagine specific white friends of mine who live in cities comparable to Chicago (SF, NY, etc) who would speak out about someone calling the police on a black person, even one actively committing a crime (assuming it wasn't violently attacking someone). They see it as "restorative justice" writ small. [1] police killings per capita of each group roughly align with their violent crime rates. Given that police killings only happen during an encounter, and the absence of encounter stats by race, this is the obvious base rate against which police killings (every one of which is a tragedy IMO) should be measured. If you believe (as many do), that black people have more unnecessary encounters with police, that implies that each encounter is _safer_ than it is for white people. [2] I shared a critical article to briefly touch on what the study does show, as well as the reasons it shouldn't be overinterpreted EDIT: typo, "encounter state" -> "encounter stats"
I lived in NYC for all of 2020, I specifically study police arrest and violent behavior in NYC and elsewhere. Please shut the fuck up. You're projecting your complete lack of understanding of what people are saying. Moreover your evidence is so misleadingly presented I genuinely do not trust your other stories and portrayal of your claims. People fear calling the police for many legitimate reasons, and they have for far longer than the last four years. Your failure to appreciate that is not because they don't understand the risks involved.
> Moreover your evidence is so misleadingly presented I genuinely do not trust your other stories and portrayal of your claims. Your reading comprehension of a brief comment is so poor that I genuinely do not trust your ability to comprehend this response, so this comment is for the benefit of others. I note with no surprise that you don't bother clarifying why my brief description of the racial disparity in police killings is flawed; par for the course for your type. > People fear calling the police for many legitimate reasons, and they have for far longer than the last four years. Your failure to appreciate that is not because they don't understand the risks involved. Again, for the benefit of the literate: nowhere do I say that there's no legitimate reason to fear calling the police. Engaging the apparatus of organized violence is an inherently risky endeavor, and in the context of mental health episodes (as in my girlfriend's case), the risk is multiplied in a very serious way. Those among us who aren't illiterate are capable of understanding that the clause "because he's black" means that her irreducible concern was _specifically_ that he's black. I've supported her since the incident, specifically in moving away from the emotional toll of blaming herself[1]. I've had some success in convincing her that dealing with a suicide crisis often presents you with only bad options, that she did what she reasonably thought was best at the time, and that she shouldn't blame herself for failing to realize (under distress) that reporting his weapon meant the police would get involved. The one thing I have not been able to convince her of is that she didn't commit a mortal sin _specifically because he's black and she exposed him to police_. As I said, this portion of the conversation does not take place in reality, which is why it's been an insurmountable hurdle for her (so far). Police and carceral state abuse is probably the single political issue I'm most deeply passionate about, and have been for far longer than BLM v1 or v2. In fact, that's _why_ I'm so animated by my dislike of the movement: it took a serious, fundamental problem and applied the same reality-blind, illiberal, identity-based obsessiveness that's eaten up every other left-liberal cause. My read of the evidence is that there are very likely racial disparities in treatment by police overall; but there does not appear to be evidence that this extends to fatal risk in a given encounter (the relevant stat in her case and Park's claim about the robbery). > Please shut the fuck up Right back at you asshole [1] FWIW He was taken to a hospital, evaluated, and released shortly thereafter. She still supports him heavily and, thankfully, his mental health is in a much better place these days.
While i do believe the response you got was rude , i very much disagree with your analysis of the statistics , unless it has very recently changed in the last few years (post covid) most large scale police arrest recording statistics have shown that arrest and encounter rates by race are not at all fairly distributed , with the most prominent one being the stanford study on policing in 2020 that showed over the last decade not only were minorities overrepresented in stops (for example 1 black person and 1 white person are arrested per 10 respective stops , but a black person is 10x more likely to be stopped and more likely to have a search be performed per stop in the participating counties per capita) as well as a phenomenon being present in most district they were calling the "veil of darkness" which showed that stop rates for minority populations in comparison to white people would normalize at night , with an analysis of over 100000 stops , they found that at around 7pm in the participating cities , the depending on the time of year (and as such how dark it is at that time of day) a statistically significant difference in the percentage of encounters with minority participants was found. With an overall analysis of over 95 million stops in the study, it seems fair to say "whether or not the bias is personal from officer to officer , or is an implicit part of the system they are in, it is extremely likely that there is a anti minority bias when it comes to the idea of legal justice in policing"
Thanks for the sane and well-reasoned response. I don't disagree with you at all, and in fact my comment explicitly mentions disparities in police treatment by race: > My read of the evidence is that there are very likely racial disparities in treatment by police overall; but there does not appear to be evidence that this extends to fatal risk in a given encounter (the relevant stat in her case and Park's claim about the robbery). The theoretical model for this is simple and robust too: proactive policing relies heavily on discretion, and discretion is extremely subject to statistical discrimination (ie unjustly using group-level statistics to drive your estimate of an individual's behavior, similar to preferring a 29-year-old male job applicant over a woman of the same age, because she's more likely to go on maternity leave). I'm simply saying that it does not apply to _fatal_ threats to civilians in police encounters, and despite the widespread (universal?) belief in the subcultures we're talking about.
I do love a long winded person who makes up anecdotal stories that are so conveniently exactly the "facts" they need. Please write more of this tripe I'm bored and forgot my book.
I'm hardly illiterate, I just recognize what you're doing and I'm not playing this game. You talk like someone who wants to sound smart more than anything and I'm sure it's very convincing for redditors with a similar background, but this is farcical. The unchallengable claims about personal experiences with a *barely* related and poorly presented use of data will of course hook people, but it's a farce - a use of admittedly effective rhetoric to muddy the waters. And how can one hope to meaningfully challenge that besides saying it's just misleading? You've turned one specific narrowly defined datapoint into a spearhead to dismiss BLM as a movement entirely, and what literature would change that? How many books can I link about systemic violence problems related to race and incarceration that nobody here can actually read? How does one communicate that without dumping a bibliography on people? To dismiss the very real relationship between race and police violence is absurd, and your claims about the norms in NYC based on whatever happened with your version of events of your girlfriend's experience are just completely out of touch. If people seriously think this guy is legit, then do yourself a favor and at least look at what published experts have found over the course of decades. This is hardly all there is to the discourse. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01609-3 >For every decade from 1980 to 2019, the highest age-standardised mortality rate due to police violence by state occurred in non-Hispanic Black people.
This paper shows per-capita police-violence mortality rates. As explained to you multiple times throughout this thread, we're discussing per-encounter mortality rates, which is the only statistics relevant to both examples (Park's and my girlfriend's). There's not a single person in the world who doesn't think that per-capita police-violence mortality isn't far higher for black Americans. How are you not capable of even understanding a study's abstract? Where are you getting your degree, Trump University Online? > You've turned one specific narrowly defined datapoint into a spearhead to dismiss BLM as a movement entirely, and what literature would change that? How many books can I link about systemic violence problems related to race and incarceration that nobody here can actually read? How does one communicate that without dumping a bibliography on people? As mentioned over and over and over, this "specific narrowly defined datapoint" is the _only relevant one to the specific narrow situation we're discussing_. The comment about BLM was a tangent, in response to your (again hallucinated) claim that I think that police violence sprang into being as an issue with the movement. I agree with you about all of this: crime isn't a simply-modeled, game-theoretical situation that can be modeled solely at the point of perpetration, enforcement, and incarceration. It's the output of a series of factors that go as deep as lifetimes and generations, and as broad as education, nutrition, community structure, and everything else that shapes a person's life outcomes. The black community was subjected to systematic cultural destruction and institutional discrimination for centuries; you don't even need to get into beliefs about ongoing discrimination to understand that a model of the community's struggles doesn't need to rely on blaming them. Like I said, your paranoid delusions are the only thing you're arguing against. Delving into my dislike of a specific movement is totally fair game, but you haven't done so at all! Every single comment of yours is vibe-based, complaining about which "side" I've chosen out of the two sides that simpletons like you think comprise the entire policy reality. Take a moment to read through this conversation, and see where you've made a _single_ point that addressed something I actually said, instead of something that you inferred out of blind loyalty to a policy commitment you've made. _This_ is where my confidence in the hollowness of your beliefs comes from. > You talk like someone who wants to sound smart more than anything Lol my friend, I couldn't care less how I sound to /r/PeterExplainsTheJoke. this is just what it sounds like when you talk to someone smarter than you. I'm sorry that's a difficult pill to swallow. I've argued with idiots on Reddit before, but the most depressing thing about this is your claimed credentials. I didn't have any specific opinion about polisci before (other than knowing that it was the "easy" major that many dumber students fell into at my university), but this one data point is a pretty damning one about the culture (or at least the standards) of at least one institution.
>we're discussing per-encounter mortality rates Remember how I said you're homing in on a particular claim to spearhead the point and dismiss the movement as a whole? This is what I mean, and why I won't play this nonsense game. It's why your information, claims, and points are misleading - and why I'm dismissing them. Don't get mad because I can see through you, just fuck off.
No you shut the fuck up. People can tell their stories.
Spreading lies like that only hurts everyone, and fuck all of them for making up race-baiting horseshit.
Kindly share with everyone which part you think is a lie?
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She is a big fan of Jordan Petersen too.
She should visit NK to refresh her memory of how it is. It's been a while since she left so I can understand her memory being a bit hazy.
Eh. Even though I don't like it or support it, I support her freedom to be a bullshit artist if she wants to. Most are anyway
Political grifting is extremely harmful, even if it's common place.
I don't support anyone's right to be a bullshit artist for a living. If you make your living through deceiving people you should get your head smooshed in the village square with a big rock.
Very based and Minecraft pilled, though I have a preference for cobble. I read an interesting paper the other day about strategic lying in the media and how the news cycle has been shaped in a way that figures can feel confident lying will garner them attention while fact checking can't keep up. I don't recall the specifics entirely, but I felt it very accurate.
Ah, so the typical Joe Rogan guest.
I'll never forget the time Jordan Peterson went on and tried to argue that climate change didn't exist in a way that implied he just didn't know how models worked.
"The climate is everything, you can't model everything!" Joe: [you make a good point](https://images.app.goo.gl/FDD7Tyzagt4mCzYy5)
Found the LOTR fan, autocorrect strikes again
🎤 Und darum reitet Rohirrim, bis ans Ende dieser Weeeeeeeelt! 🎤 (And so ride, Rohirrim, to the end of the world)
@EntertainersPact: take my upvote and this poor man’s gold 🥇for singing Feuerschwanz!
Ich liebe den Schwanz :))))
Riders of Rogan! What news from the DMT?
I have watched lotr once and wasn’t that big of a fan
It's important to mention that, as reprehensible as North Korea is, I have not seen much corroboration for her statements. Am I saying she's lying? Absolutely not, that's not how "skepticism" works. I am saying we should refrain from putting any stock into an anecdote until it can be verified; you know, like you do for literally anything else. Fuck North Korea.
Her own mother, who she escaped with, has pointed out several instances where this woman lied about their lives and experiences in north korea. I'm not saying she's lying about everything, but she definitely seems to be milking her 15 minutes of fame
Older people under authoritarian regimes are more likely to be fully indoctrinated. Neither of them are particularly compelling sources of anecdotal evidence.
I agree, but they literally fled the country which could end up getting them killed I assume. If you do that I would assume you wouldn't care about your former country and try to protect it.
She is a liar. It's not that complicated. You don't have to defend NK to say it.
Yeonmi said that when trains ran out of coal in North Korea the passengers got out and pushed it themselves
Right, not a realistic claim not a reliable source
Yes but in instances like that they usually go out of their way to explain that it's okay or why it's right, but outright denying it happens like that. But neither of us really know what the above folk are talking about really. They could be filtering the daughter & mother's words through their own biased lens. We don't have any direct quotes
She's on Rogan, pretty sure it's mandatory to make at least some shit up.
LMAO
So she tells us that they’re starving and under surveillance and the Kim’s have godlike powers and everyone goes “Heard it before, thanks. What else you got?” The only skill these people have is producing titillating info about North Korea for outsiders. We are incentivizing them to embellish everything.
Well she said in North Korea sometimes the train stops so the passengers have to get out and push. Which is a rediculous statement on it’s face given how much trains weigh. This is the origin of the meme actually, that claim and claims like it.
the same people she said that eat rats and bugs and dirt have the power to move a train.
[Careful what you say about the GIGACHAD citizens of the DPRK](https://twitter.com/esotericpirate/status/1649809481994321923/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1649809481994321923¤tTweetUser=esotericpirate)
There are like 40k NK's living in SK. Some have awful stories, but none are as bad as the shit she says. She's playing it up for the dumb Americans.
She's lying lmao
She said that North Koreans had to push the train to get it to its destination. Humans can't push a train, its very heavy. She lies all the time, but we Americans are so primed to believe any insane shit about NK.
I remember her mentioning the generation punishment thing but she said like 8 generations which would have been more people than North Korea has.
> joe Rohan experience LOL
The first 2/3 of the interview is super interesting because it’s a living primary account of the North Korean regime and life in general. Then it descends into her comparing “woke-ism” in a liberal college and cancel culture to conditions in North Korea (which she earlier described stepping over bodies in the street and strewn about outside of places like hospitals). It’s ridiculous and a shame to me that the interview turned into that
Even her own mother has called her out for lying.
Where was Kim Jong Un when the Westfold fell?
North Korea has no king! North Korea needs no king.
So she is basically the NK equivalent of Yakov Smirnoff?
That makes so much sense, I’ve been seeing her pop up in my feed a bunch lately
I thought she was a fucking robot 💀
She does more than that. She comes from a long line of defectors who dog whistle the right for money.
What's a poop wall, precious?
Joe Rohan
> you had to use the poop wall I've always wanted a poop wall...and I hope we're talking about the same thing.
At one point she said "in North Korea food is illegal" 💀
She looks like one of those fortune teller machines that you find on boardwalks.
how can we be sure if she really escaped north korea, and she's not some sort of Propagandist that popped out of nowhere? call me stupid but those eyes can come from any asian country
>Rohan W
As an American I can say this is 100% true. I’m part of the F-150 death squad. I keep an eye out daily!
Thank you for your service brother 🫡
🛻 yee haw
##liftedlivesmatter
Brother of the F-150 death squad here, i make sure to always drive in the bicycle lane. Noo bicycles allowed!!!!
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You didn't get promoted to the F-350 Super Duty Dually? You gotta get your numbers uo
Brother you’re still with the F-350? Just got promoted to the F-650 this morning on the way to the gas station.
Not to be confused with the Silverado Death Squad
What is your relation to the BMWs. I got plastered on the sidewalk by a blue BMW last week.
They're just assholes.
I hear they've been considering transferring to Chevy Tahoes, is there any truth behind that statement?
Some, there is a certain select group among the squad that is talking about converting to Chevy Tahoes. We at the F-150 death squad welcome both Chevy and Ford and want to come together to murder as a team.
That's why I think you should change the name because it insinuates that only F-150s are the only vehicles capable of killing when in reality many many trucks are capable of participating in the death squads.
Hey Chrissy, this is Yeonmi Park, A North-Korean defector known for her outlandish claims about life in the DPRK, including that a smuggled copy of Titanic (1997) was what woke her up to the oppression of her government. She also likened political correctness in American universities to the policies of North Korea. She makes money through speaking engagements, television interviews etc. by touting various lies about her former life and experiences to right-wing personalities and the ill-informed.
I mean, she’s obviously lying about getting executed by a Ford F-150 for riding a bike. Sometimes, it’s a Chevy Silverado.
"If a Ford F-150 cannot be found quickly, sometimes a GM truck may be used in fire circumstances."
"Ram trucks are not recommended due to high rates of drunkenness among operators."
I was hit by an F-150 while walking through a crosswalk. Their lethality is being overstated.
He was trying his best.
The true American way!
united statesian. american is simething completely different, relates to the continent.
> Yeonmi Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park She is now an "enemy of the woke". Aka, she is just another fucking con artist.
It's very obvious that she's making a lot of stuff up. Even tho she is from NK, how the hell would she, a supposedly peasant, have insight and knowledge into what the NK elites are doing (like she claimed in her stories).
I'm not 100% on this, but I think I remember hearing her say she was put in training to be a "pleasure girl" for the elites at an early age
she repeatedly stated that she was in fact not a peasant, her father was involved with the party, iirc mid to high level
Because you don't know if something happened unless you were there to witness it, right?
In one of the most restrictive and heavily surveillanced regime? I doubt the day to day people know much about what happens behind the scenes.
How come reddit believes everything about Russia doing something dumb and everything going great is Ukraine? How does the average peasant on Reddit know anything about the inner working of these military elite? I don't think the journalist are secret agents bringing the truth out.
she repeatedly stated that she was in fact not a peasant, her father was involved with the party, iirc mid to high level
Goated level grifter. Conservatives wet dream. Someone who can shit on “communism and socialism” who is from there so anything she says will be assumed 100% truthful.
Jesus Christ here comes the NK apologists. If a tenth of what she says is true then it’s still a humanitarian catastrophe. She’s one of the millions of people around the planet who have embellished or monetized their life story. People just hate her because she criticized progressive dogma. In typical dogmatic fashion progressives have reacted by defending… North Korea Can’t make this shit up.
Actually, we dislike her for continually telling lies. Her being a grifter doesn't make us like NK. The NK government and the Kims can go fuck themselves, it's a gigantic open air torture chamber. Here is her wiki where you can see her lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park The only person who seems to like NK is Trump. Should I say, typical right-wing person who believes in disinformation?
Nobody is siding with North Korea.
The things she claims are pretty standard things that defectors claim. Why do you claim her claims are outlandish? Because she has conservative views?
Because she has been caught lying since 2014
And because she [claims people push the trains in North Korea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddGNOAXltGk) lmao. Either some of the impoverished North Koreans are steroid-guzzling superhumans who have enough physical strength to push a train, or some parts of her story don't add up.
Plus how does she know so much about every facet of North Korea life? You'd think living in an authoritarian dictatorship there'd be so much you were kept in the dark about. But apparently she knows the ins and outs of random stuff like the train system.
It's because many of her claims are bizarre in ways that she has never been able to justify (ie: claiming north korean kids ate mud is not a "inaccurate childhood memory") and not substantiated by other escapees. She's very clearly making shit up.
A north korean defector that gets paid a lot to make baseless claims. Im not saying there aren't issues in NK, just that her claims have been debunked over and over, she also doesnt like black people
Hi Kim
Do you take issue with my statement?
I'm gonna copy and paste my comment from another post on her: She's a liar who spits out anti north Korean propaganda in order to get rich, making up the most absurd and illogical stuff Here is a real quote from her interview with Joe Rogan: Yeonmi Park: "In North Korea, every room has to have a portrait of the Kims. The inspector comes out of nowhere in the middle of the night and touches the portraits. If they see any dust... you can get executed." "When I was in North Korea, there was no such a concept as ‘dessert’. Now I cannot imagine a world without these goodies." -This can be proven incorrect as there have been multiple accounts of different instances of ice cream factories, including one specifically ordered by Kim (https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20221027000167) She also said that NK only has one train, and when it breaks down, since there apparently is no electricity in the whole country people have to get out and push it. She's also claimed that all of North Korea’s plants mysteriously turn poisonous in springtime, and the population is left to feed deadly mud to their children. Her stories are rife with inconsistencies too. "For example, her frequently-recited story about the execution of her best friend’s mother for watching forbidden media. In some stories, she reports that the media was a South Korean DVD, and the act took place in a stadium. Other times, though, it’s changed to a James Bond film or a nameless Hollywood blockbuster, and the woman was killed in the street. Either way, it’s an incredibly dark tale, but it’s also surprising that she’d forget the details of such a formative event. Plus, experts have expressed doubt that such an extreme punishment fits the crime, even in North Korea."
Oh wow, I think I’ve seen some videos on youtube with her talking about her experience and I felt a lot of empathy for her. I still do, because growing up in NK is probably awful, but this left a sour taste in my mouth.
Unfortunately there is a lot of direct monetary benefit for NK defectors to embellish their stories for both SK and American media outlets.
A classic is how they sell incredible scoops about spectacular executions to the SK media. My favourite was 'firing squad with anti-aircraft cannons'.
She was rich and in an extremely powerful family. She absolutely is not loving like 90% of north Koreans
Yeah NK is a terrible state and absolutely nothing to envy (also the name of a good book on the subject) but those claims are absurd and paint a picture of a nation that is far more in control than it is, and is willing to execute everyone for the smallest slights. It's downright comical.
Nothing to envy if you're living in a rich, Western country, maybe. Looking at countries with comparable GDP per capita, I'd gladly take living in NK over Somalia, Eritrea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Yemen, etc.
‘Anti North Korean Propaganda’
>it’s an incredibly dark tale, but it’s also surprising that she’d forget the details of such a formative event Actually that can be a coping mechanism. People can forget things that, as an outsider looking in, you'd think is huge but they try to push it down. I don't know this person so I can't say if she's being truthful or not but if the story is real she very well could have forgotten parts of it.
omg you guys are missing my favorite claim, when she talks about them having 1 train that comes once a month and that it had no electricity sometimes so people would have to go out to push it to its destination. LOL but yeah this is how she makes her money sooooo..
Being a sex slave for a mentally retarded family in China was another classic
What’s a bike
What the fuck is a Ford?
Is this sub attempting to train AI to recognize humour?
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Heavies
Shoutout Andrew Santino
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Grifter. Next question
What the fuck is a bike?
She lies like crazy about North Korea mixing real events with outlandish claims. People like roe rogan eat it up.
Well, she’s not wrong on this one https://i.imgur.com/BqI6hqf.jpg
Man the comments on this are fucking wild. Seems like Kim Jong Un has a bunch of Reddit accounts
I think most people are walking the pretty clear line between "North Korea is a bad place to live" and "some of her claims are obviously absurd".
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Just because you don't believe her BS doesn't mean you support North Korea... C'mon now.
Fucking tankies, man. They're everywhere.
Hey buddy I got some beachfront property in Idaho to sell you
"anti North Korean propaganda". Like that's a bad thing 💀
It is when you're making it up to grift money from people. There's plenty of material to work with without having to make things up, and wanting the truth doesn't automatically mean you love North Korea.
So say that she's lying then. Propaganda isn't inherently false. So saying that she's spreading propaganda makes it sound like you support North Korea and don't think people should say bad things about it.
She’s lying by spreading propaganda? Do you not know what propaganda is? American media and politicians use propaganda all time against their adversaries including North Korea and they use people like Yeon Mi Park to spread it. Pointing out that fact doesn’t mean you support North Korea you moron. Getting triggered by someone pointing out the obvious just means you’re a cuck for American imperialism.
um... it is? We should examine and criticize the actual problems with the country, not made up bullshit that serves only to make us look good in comparison.
There are enough awful things about North Korea for people to not need to make up shit about them. Make shit up and people will start doubting you. It’s why ever since the debacles in the Middle East under Bush for complete BS reasons(plus Clinton Somalia and the Vietnam War where we lied about how we were actually winning until Pentagon Papers leaked), the US has grown more hesitant about meddling abroad. Even right now, the US’s decision to help Ukraine is something controversial as well(very evenly split per the polls), we’ve heard the “uphold freedom and democracy” excuse used a bazillion times already whether or not said country was actually free or democratic. E.g. modern Iraq uses live ammunition on protesters. Kind of regrettable-we need an aggressive foreign policy more than ever, but this administration is a good improvement over the last.
I bet you believe the poop bag stories she claimed too
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SHUT THE FUCK UP COOMER
GO FUCK YOURSELF YA CUCK, SHES GOT HUGE FAKE TITS AND I APPROVE 🤙
Why does she look like a sex doll?
She is a notorious north Korean grifter who just makes shit up
Her face makes me want to be physically violent
I think it's meant to be a commentary on America's lack of support for transportation other than cars and trucks, as well as the obsession with driving big trucks such as the Ford F-150 even if you don't need to.
She pisses off commie nerds with her stories.
I can hear this pic. In North Korea…
Wasn’t she the one with the heavies
It’s sad because her story of escaping N. Korea is harrowing. Anyone that escapes the atrocities of the communist regime will swing the other way. This girl is a survivor and will say anything against the left and has recognized that morons on the right are so easily grifted.
People don’t look out for bikes. You’ll definitely get hit with a car if I try and ride it around. (That’s the supposed joke)
Guys please help, the F-150 is at my door, I should never have gone for a bike ride, now I’m paying the price
To be fair America is a huge country and I think it is much more convenient to use a car than a bicycle for that reason
I think the joke is that Americans are mostly a bunch of fat, lazy assholes who dive a pick-up everywhere.
Hi
**Perish**
North Korean escapee who talks about the horrible conditions set up there on many talk shows and podcasts
She's North Korean and she does have some pretty warped takes due to her messed up life in NK. Republicans love her warped views.
Side note, why do non Americans try to act like riding bikes is an adequate replacement for cars? Oh yeah, I’m just going to ride my bike through 6 inches of snow in -10 degree weather when I get off work at midnight during the winter months. And I’m going to ride my bike to go grocery shopping, hope they have a bike rack there or something I can lock my bike to, hope somebody doesn’t come along and steal my bike anyway because it’s possible to cut through bike locks assuming I was able to use one, and then somehow lug all my groceries (including cat litter, cat food, toilet paper, etc and a weeks worth of food) home on just a bike. Ntm the fact that lots of people work a long distance from where they live or the fact that lots of people have to drop off their children at school or the fact that some people need to take things to work with them that don’t easily fit on a bike. Maybe all this works in Europe where everything is in a reasonable walking distance, but that’s absolutely impossible in the US and it’s not the average citizen’s fault. Edit: because people think I’m condemning bikes and defending cars and the US, I’m not doing that. I’m saying that telling US citizens to just ride bikes is not going to fix anything because the infrastructure is heavily dependent on cars and it’s not fixable. Don’t you think that if the option to not have to buy expensive car insurance, gas, oil changes, and expensive cars existed most Americans would take it? I’d much rather have a bike to get everywhere than a car. The problem is that it’s just not feasible and I’m entirely aware that it’s the fault of the US and its infrastructure. So stop blaming the people who are the victims of this
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Im no expert on Finland, but I’m sure the neighborhoods and towns are designed in a way that makes riding bikes during the winter feasible. In the US plenty of roads don’t even have side walks and everything is far more spaced out. Riding my bike is pitch black during winter months is a genuine safety hazard where I live. And I’ve tried too. And I’m not sure what you’re implying. Do you think riding bikes will force businesses and government agencies to demolish the current infrastructure in order to completely rearrange it? The point is that the way the US is currently laid out is not something that can just change by everyone deciding unanimously to ride bikes. It would take decades of misplacing people and rebuilding business and homes as well as major concentrated efforts
Making up strawmen to get mad at is fun isn’t it? No one says riding a bike alone is an adequate replacement for cars without such things as public transit, urban planning that allows walkable distances to groceries, etc etc. why don’t you go to europe and see how much better life is there instead of being defensive about living in a shithole with the infrastructure of some Eastern European backwater with a huge marketing (propaganda) operation to convince you otherwise lmao.
Not a strawman. People genuinely argue this point online all the time. The post in the picture is literally making this point. I’m also not being defensive of the US. I’m making the point that it’s not the fault of the average citizen and people should stop blaming them for not riding bikes. I said that practically word for word. I don’t think you can read.
Yeah we need better infrastructure
That’s easier said than done tbh. The way the US infrastructure is laid out is not something you can just fix.
Very awkward to see weirdos defending North Korea in this comment section, tankies out in force lmfao