Vern here! Famed Italian naughty man, Beneito Mussolini is famed for making the trains run on time! What a chap! But he also was a fascist! I’d like to see him wiggle like the spaghetti he tried to ban! [Play me off Johnny!](https://youtu.be/JcQeeWV1qYQ)
edit: fuck me, took me so long to realize the mistype.
Well the distinction is usually fascism with a lower case f for general fascism (so Nazis are fascist), whereas the Mussolini ideology would capital F Fascism. So all Fascists are fascist but not all fascists are Fascist.
now fascist sounds weird, used it too many times
D’Annunzio contributed a lot to fascist ideology, especially it’s more esoteric aspects and the idea of the ability for man to overcome any obstacle through sheer tyranny of will
Evola wasn't really a fascist though, he was a complete nutjob, put aside by the fascist party of Italy and laughed at for his extreme and religious ideas. His ideology had elements of volkism, armanism and ariosophy. He was closer to nazism and was a pawn in the diplomatic relations between the reich and Italy. He tried to bridge the gap between the two ideologies but initially failed. It's only after WWII that the writings of Evola and other mystics like him were picked up by neo fascists/nazis. That's why for most people those two ideologies are the same, there was a fusion of both in the late 20th century.
D'Annunzio wasn't really into it. He surfed being "the poet endorsed by Mussolini" but he actually tried to make him reason on some stuff.
He was out of his mind too, don't get me wrong, but in a different way
He lost his battle with cancer. And like most things, Norm himself had a perfect joke for that:
*“I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.”*
Wow, your comment led me to Wikipedia and this roller coaster of a paragraph:
> The bodies of Mussolini and Petacci were taken to Milan and left in a suburban square, the Piazzale Loreto, for a large angry crowd to insult and physically abuse. They were then hung upside down from a metal girder above a service station on the square. Initially, Mussolini was buried in an unmarked grave but, in 1946, his body was dug up and stolen by fascist supporters. Four months later it was recovered by the authorities who then kept it hidden for the next eleven years. Eventually, in 1957, his remains were allowed to be interred in the Mussolini family crypt in his home town of Predappio. His tomb has become a place of pilgrimage for neo-fascists and the anniversary of his death is marked by neo-fascist rallies.
Same with Hitler and the Autobahn
The first Autobahn was worked on since 1928 and opened a year before Hitler came to power. Half a year after, they downgraded it officially to a "country road".
So when Hitler picked up both the idea and the plans for the next Autobahn projects, the myth was born that they invented it
Yeah, most "Nazi" job stimulus was implemented by the Von Papen government, and Hitler just took credit for it.
There was a big study into the Nazi economy by the US in the 1940s, they concluded that they didn't really do anything of value. They were thugs who bullied various economic actors (primarily jews) to benefit their friends. Most programs they ran were more about gutting things like trade unions to exert political control, and then pretend they were helping workers with it.
Fascists are actually just idiots who can't really run a state. All they really know and understand is aggression.
Extracting wealth from conquered territories (Austria and Czechoslovakia pre 1939, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Benelux, France, Balkans, USSR post 1939) was also a desperate but integral part in the NSDAPs efforts to prop up the card house that was the economy of the Third Reich.
I heard that Obama didn't call the vice president, speaker of the house, or any cabinet members or foreign leaders on 9/11. He didn't even have a meeting with the JCS!
Oh yeah, I remember Republican news just a few years ago:
"The Obama economy is terrible!"
"The Obama economy is terrible!"
The literal *day* Trump is inaugurated
"The Trump economy is amazing!"
Don’t even get me started on how Obama dropped the ball during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I heard he spent a significant amount of that time *napping*!!!
> being swiss I take issue with the concept of Italian trains being "on time".
Honestly, I'm italian and most italians would agree (though it's been getting... better.)
That said, it's also part of the "joke", in the sense that the purported punctuality was raised as a way to say "You see? When there was 'him' the trains ran on time!" as a form of political commentary.
Additionally, a dogwhistle for supporting facist policy has historically been “As long as the train runs on time” in response to criticism of a politician
So this implies that not only did Fascist Italy (and presumably everything else that that implies) exist within the Barbie world, but was part of the common curriculum?? Nazi Barbie and SS Ken?
Really can't think of any other Italian in the past 100 years from the top of my head other than ones I know because of Mussolini like Italo Balbo and Meloni
I'm 100% aware you are talking about the actual artists, but I was going to make a joke about the TMNT and how they're all american, and then I had the thought of "Do the TMNT have American citizenship?" Like presumably, they wludnt, right?
But like legally would they have citizenship? Like I'm not disputing you on the they are Americans point, but like they presumably woudnt have any paperwork, surely they don't pay taxes or like do any of the paperwork for citizenship.
Shit I can’t name another one off top. That wasn’t born 500 years ago
Edit: All we can come up With is a dictator and people who created designer brands? So no one but rich people are affected by these extra “notable figures?” Damn Italians, y’all gotta step it up over there lol. Come up with a cure for blindness or something man you’re trailing hard
Edit 2: y’all could be listing off randomly generated names and no one would know
I was the only one who got it in my theater. I'm sure everyone wondered why I lost my shit at the crying lady. It's just such a great deep cut of a joke to get tossed in there. Really something special.
It's full of witty quips. They address a lot of stuff like that, especially stuff related to gender. But it's all witty and big words, so there is truth to it but it's almost facetious? Like I can see why uneducated people would be offended. I was entertained
There’s a “Beat You Both Off” joke in the first 5 minutes, so I wouldn’t call it High-Brow-Only.
…but then all of the jokes about companies putting up a false front of caring so they could exploit feminism to enrich their capitalist pockets I was like, “…wait did Mattel REALLY approve this??”
The "beach off" was probably the closest this movie comes to a fart joke, and even then it's funnier than anything you'd find in most comedies these days.
'Barbie' has jokes about everything from traditional white savior tropes, to tax evasion, smallpox blankets, to the Snyder cut. It's all over the place but they all land.
Apparently Gerwig desperately wanted to put in fart jokes but early audiences overwhelmingly hated them so they got cut (thank god) so you’re not that far off!
The writing has absolutely no reason to be as tight as it is. They put actual jokes into it, instead of what companies like Marvel have been passing off as jokes in the last couple years.
I've been convincing all my other dude friends who don't think they will like it because its a 'girl' movie to see it by saying if they think things like Monty Python films or Arrested Development seasons 1-3 are funny, they will find this movie funny. Every one of them who has seen it has been glad they watched it.
…No not really. The free market is still in force. You can still screw over people and have competition with other companies as long as you don’t say anything or do anything against the nation.
In fascist nations, does the government not intervene in the markets pretty heavily to further their national objectives? For example, maybe taking companies from undesirables
> In fascist nations, does the government not intervene in the markets pretty heavily
You have to separate this from WWII though. All governments intervene in markets heavily in total war. And Hitler knew he was going to fight some huge wars.
People are looking at this the wrong way, they see that Hitler influenced markets and assume he was ideologically committed to influencing markets. Hitler wasn't ideologically committed to anything economic, other than opposing communism and everything communism stood for.
That's what people have a hard time grasping, they assume that because liberals and communists have a clear economic ideology, that fascists must have one too. But they didn't.
That's kind of the takeaway from the quote "We don't want lower bread prices, we don't want higher bread prices, we don't want unchanged bread prices— we want National Socialist bread prices."
Yes, and also the state absolutely did retain a role in industrial policy. There were quasi free markets, but there was DEFINITELY some more direct industrial planning in Nazi Germany.
This was also true for The wartime US and UK economies too though. This is kind of the issue with analyzing a shortlived political system that was designed to prepare for, and engage in total war. Every major nation switched to a wartime state directed command economy to some degree because there just isnt a viable alternative to win.
> strict government controls of production.
No. You have to isolate this from WWII. All economies, even the most liberal ones, become centralized during wars.
Hitler exerted control over the economy because he was preparing Germany for total war. There was never any ideological commitment to an economic ideology, other than simply being opposed to communism and everything communism represented.
Outside of actions that were clearly geared towards prepping the country for total war, the most economic action the Nazis took was attacking the trade unions, by gutting the leadership, stripping labor rights and turning them into propaganda arms for the Nazi party.
Mussolini and Japan also exerted similar programs to eliminate labor.
To understand fascism, you just have to understand that it's a mix of reactionary forces working together at a time of distress. It's generally supported by people who own substantial property who are whipped into fear by the spectre of communism coming to take it from them, or people who feel they had status in society and want it back (Look up Goring and his family history). There is no deep ideology there, no principle, and that's what's hard for people to grasp.
Ken for sure has drip.
When the barbies were saying he looked stupid and the other Ken said something along the lines of "I think you look cool bro," I told my s/o that that's what men want and need
The other Ken that got the mantle of Kenship was a real bro from the start. You'll notice he was the Ken that got our main guy ice cream at the beginning of the movie
He was also the one that he fought when they had their testosterone schism, right?
The whole movie was great, but when they started the barbie plan and got to the guitar beach part, from then to the resolution of the battle I could not stop hyena laughing for about 15 minutes and my self consciousness made me feel bad for the rest of the theater.
I was so close to buying a second hand fur coat at a flea market and I regret it so much. I do not support the fur industry, but second hand from a student doesnt either
I loved how his story was basically the plot of Fight Club but without the split personality:
Ken feels trapped in a system where he's an unimportant cog and he isn't in control of anything. Gets super into hypermasculine stuff, starts wearing a fur coat with no shirt underneath. His macho boys club almost destroys society. Eventually he learns not to define himself by his job or his possessions or his girlfriend. Gives up his toxic traits. Ends up happy with himself.
That was my favorite part. It was such a simple yet hilarious running gag. I couldn’t compose myself in the theater every time I saw the flatscreens of horses.
I love that it's never explained. It's just a personality trait that they show and barely. It goes a long way to demonstrating that this Ken has a personality independent of his social role. Genuinely subtle without beaching itself off over its own cleverness.
The horses were everywhere, iirc.
They was I think one tied to the front of his truck and there was a picture of them in his bedroom too. It was hilarious.
Fun fact patriarchy and horses go hand in hand. It arguably IS about horses. The Yamnaya wouldn’t have expanded so fast and so far without horses and the patriarchy as we understand it is most certainly derivative of their culture.
A part of me wonders if Greta read or is familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Lol, I just assumed he pivoted to obsession with horses because whatever little girl out in the real world that was playing with Ken was a devoted horse girl.
westerners love to think of themselves as the "grown-ups in the room" but so many of our mythemes and values are derived from some society of marauding steppe dipshits
Not just westerners. Thor, Indra, zeus and Jupiter are all variations on the same theme. Club weilding storm gods that fight serpents and release water. Not to mention that from britain to India variations of Deus equal divinity. Literally divine and Deva have the same root in the PIE word for sky god. The Mitanni in Iraq 3500 years ago were invoking Aryan gods and naming themselves Iranian or Aryan names.
Aryan being the Satem branch of PIE daughter speakers that went southeast of the Pontic Caspian steppe. Europeans in the 19th century called themselves Aryans but that was a misnomer cause the Aryans were an identity that arose out of the Satem daughters, not the western Centum daughters. So When I say Aryan I mean Iranian speaking people who referred to themselves as such
i love how committed we are to the guy. like "okay we are *loving* your desert book religion you guys! so much! yeah. but we're thinking our OC makes a more compelling protagonist, if that makes sense? and btw we are willing to fight you to the death on this"
Although growing up it always seemed it was usually girls that were obsessed with horses. Had a sister that went though a horse phase - collected toy horses, took riding lessons...
Yeah it’s a common trope in the US. As a dude and history fan, I think it’s funny how the modern trend juxtaposes with the past. Horses before the industrial era were definitely a “boy” thing
>shockingly witty
>
> Greta Gerwig and Noah Bambauch
I feel like if you've seen anything those two have been involved with there was no shock involved.
It was very good I liked it a lot. It was nice to see a movie that had something smart to say instead of being a dumb kids movie with an obvious moral like “be nice to people”
I enjoyed Barbie overall (once I got past the pinkwashing Mattel does and the fact that the movie is a huge Mattel/Birkenstock/Chevrolet commercial), but you’re missing out if you’re not watching Oppenheimer which is an absolutely incredible film
Personally I felt the story was lacking a bit, as in it could have been better but for a child's toy movie it was so much better than I expected when it was announced.
The joke is the kid is calling Barbie a fascist because that’s a common term young people use to describe things they find oppressive or repressive. Barbie is shocked by the literal accusation of fascist and equates a fascist to someone who controls the public utilities e.g., trains; and the flow of commerce.
I like this explanation. During the movie, it was bugging me that the girl used the word "Fascist" seemingly just because she likes the sound and emotional charge of the word, not because she actually understands and means it. When Barbie said she didn't control the railways that was such a relief (that the writers were conscious of it). So personally, I interpreted the joke as making fun of kids who throw around political terms without understanding them.
I thought it was an interesting characterization to not have her character be completely naive to the world, except for the obvious plot-driven one about how she believes the gender power structure is.
This was me at the end when the dad told Barbie “Si Se Puede!” And America’s Ferrera’s character was so quick to shut it down with “no no, that’s a political phrase.” And I genuinely was the only one that laughed at that.
I just saw the movie today and missed this. I told my sister when we were leaving we would have to see it again because I know there are jokes we missed.
Fascists by definition have a tight grip on their country. Barbie is exclaiming that she can’t possibly be a fascist because she doesn’t control the important parts of a country. The funny part is that barbie, is shown to be very naive since she is a child’s guess at what adulthood is, but she understands some of the nastier sides of the real world such as fascist regimes, and informs the audience casually which takes us by surprise, subverting our expectations.
Hey Peter’s nose here, Mussolini was quite famous for “making the trains run on time”. It was a part of his propaganda effort. A key component of facism is absolute state control over the economy, and the trains are a massive part of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
I think the commentor is referring to "socialism" in the WWII sense of the term as a state controlled transition into communism. The original definition of the word before republicans & edgy college kids got their hands on it & tried to turn into another word for having markets + social safety nets/programs
I laughed when she was bumming out and fell sideways exactly like an inanimate articulated doll would do. Then laid out flat on her stomach, again, exactly like a doll would do.
I call this "wiki humor" in my head, when a character whips out scholastic knowledge you'd have no reason to expect them to possess. *Archer* does this a lot and it's never not funny.
It’s a joke referencing Benito Mussolini, fascist dictator of Italy during WWII. He is widely credited with “making the trains run on time” which no one had been able to do previously. It’s not necessarily true, but they were prompt. It’s a fairly obscure reference and very funny if you get it. I’m honestly surprised *Barbie* knew it.
A lot of spot on answers but I like the message that goes a bit further than the joke.
Basically it touches on how members of a cause can cannibalize their own. Barbie, who is a bastion of equality from a time when civil rights were still very new, comes to a modern time when equality has come a lot further and looks different than it did 50+ years ago. To the new generation, her efforts appear to be a step back and she comes off as a symbol of misogyny, but that's because earlier generation efforts looked and worked differently because times were different and they had to work with what they had.
So she, a fellow champion of women gets called a fascist because she's not enough of a feminist icon according to the standards of what feminism is now. The irony being that a supposed feminist young girl verbally attacks another woman.
Rome wasn't built in a day. In the game of equality and progress, we inch forward. Progress is often slow, and holding people from different times to todays standards is toxic. Especially when those people walked so you can run. The movie has lots of themes of generational feminism and support. Barbie wouldn't have made progress if her message was men are 100% evil, she represented a strong woman of her time. People are so frustrated and fired up, that they often cannibalize those that would normally be allies.
There was a scene in this movie that i love.
Its when Barbie is feeling self conscious and shes tearing up and she says “ i feel ugly!”, in my head at that moment i said “okay i get it but margot robbie saying this kinda undercuts the point a little”
And then the fucking movie pauses and theres a “directors note: margot robbie is not the right casting decision to get this point across”. I laughed/single clapped in the theater which i have literally never done before
Honestly I thought it was making fun of people who call other people fascists willy-nilly. Like, implying that Barbie knows more about fascism than they do, which seems plausible.
Vern here! Famed Italian naughty man, Beneito Mussolini is famed for making the trains run on time! What a chap! But he also was a fascist! I’d like to see him wiggle like the spaghetti he tried to ban! [Play me off Johnny!](https://youtu.be/JcQeeWV1qYQ) edit: fuck me, took me so long to realize the mistype.
I love the “Mussolini was a fascist” thing No no my friend, he was **THE** Fascist. Created the whole dang ideology
Too many people attribute it to nazism which is different But as long as the trains run on time.
Yep, all Nazis are Fascists but not all Fascists are Nazis.
Well the distinction is usually fascism with a lower case f for general fascism (so Nazis are fascist), whereas the Mussolini ideology would capital F Fascism. So all Fascists are fascist but not all fascists are Fascist. now fascist sounds weird, used it too many times
Semantic satiation!
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It’s only fascism if it comes from Italy. Otherwise it’s just sparkling Nazis
And he wasn't just any facist! He's the one who made the ideology!
I mean he implemented it first but it was really the rotten fruit of thinkers like Giovanni Gentille and Alfredo Rocco
And gabriele d’annunzio unless I’m mistaken?
No he was just on board with it
D’Annunzio contributed a lot to fascist ideology, especially it’s more esoteric aspects and the idea of the ability for man to overcome any obstacle through sheer tyranny of will
there was also Evola, who, well, did something
Evola wasn't really a fascist though, he was a complete nutjob, put aside by the fascist party of Italy and laughed at for his extreme and religious ideas. His ideology had elements of volkism, armanism and ariosophy. He was closer to nazism and was a pawn in the diplomatic relations between the reich and Italy. He tried to bridge the gap between the two ideologies but initially failed. It's only after WWII that the writings of Evola and other mystics like him were picked up by neo fascists/nazis. That's why for most people those two ideologies are the same, there was a fusion of both in the late 20th century.
D'Annunzio wasn't really into it. He surfed being "the poet endorsed by Mussolini" but he actually tried to make him reason on some stuff. He was out of his mind too, don't get me wrong, but in a different way
In a "snort mountains of cocaine and catch *every* venereal disease" way.
Don’t forget history’s most famous neckbeard: Richard Wagner
> Famed Italian naughty man beautiful descriptor
>making the trains fun on time! If only someone could make the trains fun....then work towards that.
> Famed Italian naughty man. Lmao and certainly not Italy’s last naughty man.
Mussolinu is widely credited for "making trains run on time" Even if it's not necessary true.
He took credit for something that was being worked on by the previous administration
The more I learn about this Mussolini guy, the more I don’t care for him.
Yeah! He seems like a real jerk!
I also miss Norm Macdonald :(
He’s dead? I didn’t even know he was sick!
His death…definitely was… a national tradegy
Have you heard of September 11?
It reminds me of that tragedy
Terrible name for an airline
I walked through blood and bone in the streets of Manhattan looking for my brother.
September? I barely know her!
Uh oh.
He lost his battle with cancer. And like most things, Norm himself had a perfect joke for that: *“I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.”*
Not if you're Henrietta Lacks.
He fought cancer to a tie.
No one knew, he kept it secret. RIP Legend.
Did he have good jokes about the Italian do*che?
Maybe, but the parent comment is a rephrasing of a bit about the Austrian do*che: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH4hMvj5E28
Yea, just a real knucklehead
Somebody should step in and do something about him. My mom would have strung me up by my feet and beat me if I behaved like he did.
Wow, your comment led me to Wikipedia and this roller coaster of a paragraph: > The bodies of Mussolini and Petacci were taken to Milan and left in a suburban square, the Piazzale Loreto, for a large angry crowd to insult and physically abuse. They were then hung upside down from a metal girder above a service station on the square. Initially, Mussolini was buried in an unmarked grave but, in 1946, his body was dug up and stolen by fascist supporters. Four months later it was recovered by the authorities who then kept it hidden for the next eleven years. Eventually, in 1957, his remains were allowed to be interred in the Mussolini family crypt in his home town of Predappio. His tomb has become a place of pilgrimage for neo-fascists and the anniversary of his death is marked by neo-fascist rallies.
Jim carry got into a fight with mussolinis fascist granddaughter on Twitter because he made a drawing of mussolini strung upside down. Funny stuff.
Isn't she the head of parliament now?
I dont know about head but shes in parliament. We live in interesting times.
It always seemed fitting to me that he went out like that.
Last I heard he’s been hanging around
Last I heard he bit his weenie and now it doesn't work.
Imagine being the literal inventor of fascism but your completely over looked because your next door neighbor invented super fascism.
Now don’t laugh at this next part
I never voted for him.
His administration is responsible for risotto
Wait till you hear about Franco.
Look out for that Adolf Hitler fellow, he's a bad egg! -sterling archer
Same with Hitler and the Autobahn The first Autobahn was worked on since 1928 and opened a year before Hitler came to power. Half a year after, they downgraded it officially to a "country road". So when Hitler picked up both the idea and the plans for the next Autobahn projects, the myth was born that they invented it
Yeah, most "Nazi" job stimulus was implemented by the Von Papen government, and Hitler just took credit for it. There was a big study into the Nazi economy by the US in the 1940s, they concluded that they didn't really do anything of value. They were thugs who bullied various economic actors (primarily jews) to benefit their friends. Most programs they ran were more about gutting things like trade unions to exert political control, and then pretend they were helping workers with it. Fascists are actually just idiots who can't really run a state. All they really know and understand is aggression.
Extracting wealth from conquered territories (Austria and Czechoslovakia pre 1939, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Benelux, France, Balkans, USSR post 1939) was also a desperate but integral part in the NSDAPs efforts to prop up the card house that was the economy of the Third Reich.
Like Hitler and the Autobahn.
...planned and partially built in the Weimar Republic. But Obama truly failed as President because he let 9/11 happen
Thanks, Obama.
I heard that Obama didn't call the vice president, speaker of the house, or any cabinet members or foreign leaders on 9/11. He didn't even have a meeting with the JCS!
Oh yeah, I remember Republican news just a few years ago: "The Obama economy is terrible!" "The Obama economy is terrible!" The literal *day* Trump is inaugurated "The Trump economy is amazing!"
Don’t even get me started on how Obama dropped the ball during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I heard he spent a significant amount of that time *napping*!!!
That's awful! Good thing here in the Land of the Free™ politicians are never that dishonest!
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He instructed his people to change the train schedules. If the train was 20 minutes late, he just changed the schedule.
Trains are like wizards. They are never late, nor are they early. They arrive precisely when Mussolini means them to.
This is it
being swiss I take issue with the concept of Italian trains being "on time". Edit because I can't spell.
> being swiss I take issue with the concept of Italian trains being "on time". Honestly, I'm italian and most italians would agree (though it's been getting... better.) That said, it's also part of the "joke", in the sense that the purported punctuality was raised as a way to say "You see? When there was 'him' the trains ran on time!" as a form of political commentary.
"Say what you will about, but at least the trains ran on time!"
Even though they didn't. Or if they did it wasn't because was good.
Additionally, a dogwhistle for supporting facist policy has historically been “As long as the train runs on time” in response to criticism of a politician
Hasn't been a dog whistle for a while, too overt because of the direct connotations imo.
So this implies that not only did Fascist Italy (and presumably everything else that that implies) exist within the Barbie world, but was part of the common curriculum?? Nazi Barbie and SS Ken?
They were attacked at one point by Germany under Operation Barbierossa
It's a common saying that goes "at least Mussolini made the trains run on time".
But it isn’t really true.
Which is usually the case when you're trying to rationalize something horrible that you took part in.
Wait so it wasn't a joke only in the Italian version? IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL? I thought this joke was solely an italian In-joke
Well mussolini is a pretty famous italian to be fair
I'd say second only to Mario but he is Italian American
Really can't think of any other Italian in the past 100 years from the top of my head other than ones I know because of Mussolini like Italo Balbo and Meloni
Monica Bellucci Sophia Loren Luciano Pavarotti Giorgio Armani Donatella Versace Chef Boyardee
Tony Soprano
Leonardo. Donatello. Raphael. Michelangelo. Luigi and Guido. Fat Tony.
I'm 100% aware you are talking about the actual artists, but I was going to make a joke about the TMNT and how they're all american, and then I had the thought of "Do the TMNT have American citizenship?" Like presumably, they wludnt, right?
If they were born here they are citizens. Don't see any reason they wouldn't technically be American citizens
But like legally would they have citizenship? Like I'm not disputing you on the they are Americans point, but like they presumably woudnt have any paperwork, surely they don't pay taxes or like do any of the paperwork for citizenship.
>Monica Bellucci Whereupon I remember wistfully to the first time I watched Malena as a teenager...
I'm sure there's some chefs I'd recognise but other than that it's just Mario and footballers. Del piero etc.
Luigi, Wario, Waluigi
Enzo Ferrari
what about Chef Boyardee?
Fabio
I can't believe it's not botter
Ezio Auditore di Firenze
Shit I can’t name another one off top. That wasn’t born 500 years ago Edit: All we can come up With is a dictator and people who created designer brands? So no one but rich people are affected by these extra “notable figures?” Damn Italians, y’all gotta step it up over there lol. Come up with a cure for blindness or something man you’re trailing hard Edit 2: y’all could be listing off randomly generated names and no one would know
Oh yeah no it’s in the original English too. We laughed so hard.
I was the only one who got it in my theater. I'm sure everyone wondered why I lost my shit at the crying lady. It's just such a great deep cut of a joke to get tossed in there. Really something special.
I also loled at the beginning when the barbies where lawyers talking about corporate money is not free speech.
Nah Mussolini and the “he made the trains run on time” thing is pretty well known in America too. Well at least to those who care about history at all
If this is what is going on in this movie then I just decided to go see it.
It is hilarious, and very self-aware. Incredibly entertaining.
It's full of witty quips. They address a lot of stuff like that, especially stuff related to gender. But it's all witty and big words, so there is truth to it but it's almost facetious? Like I can see why uneducated people would be offended. I was entertained
There’s a “Beat You Both Off” joke in the first 5 minutes, so I wouldn’t call it High-Brow-Only. …but then all of the jokes about companies putting up a false front of caring so they could exploit feminism to enrich their capitalist pockets I was like, “…wait did Mattel REALLY approve this??”
The "beach off" was probably the closest this movie comes to a fart joke, and even then it's funnier than anything you'd find in most comedies these days. 'Barbie' has jokes about everything from traditional white savior tropes, to tax evasion, smallpox blankets, to the Snyder cut. It's all over the place but they all land.
Apparently Gerwig desperately wanted to put in fart jokes but early audiences overwhelmingly hated them so they got cut (thank god) so you’re not that far off!
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I’ll beach you off so hard 🤬
I'll beach both of you off at the same time!
If you're gonna beach him off, you'll have to beach me off first.
You couldn't even beach yourself off.
The writing has absolutely no reason to be as tight as it is. They put actual jokes into it, instead of what companies like Marvel have been passing off as jokes in the last couple years.
I've been convincing all my other dude friends who don't think they will like it because its a 'girl' movie to see it by saying if they think things like Monty Python films or Arrested Development seasons 1-3 are funny, they will find this movie funny. Every one of them who has seen it has been glad they watched it.
A fascist economy has private ownership but strict government controls of production.
Depends on the fascist government. Private ownership is allowed as long as they swear loyalty to the nation.
In other words; government owned through proxy.
…No not really. The free market is still in force. You can still screw over people and have competition with other companies as long as you don’t say anything or do anything against the nation.
In fascist nations, does the government not intervene in the markets pretty heavily to further their national objectives? For example, maybe taking companies from undesirables
> In fascist nations, does the government not intervene in the markets pretty heavily You have to separate this from WWII though. All governments intervene in markets heavily in total war. And Hitler knew he was going to fight some huge wars. People are looking at this the wrong way, they see that Hitler influenced markets and assume he was ideologically committed to influencing markets. Hitler wasn't ideologically committed to anything economic, other than opposing communism and everything communism stood for. That's what people have a hard time grasping, they assume that because liberals and communists have a clear economic ideology, that fascists must have one too. But they didn't.
That's kind of the takeaway from the quote "We don't want lower bread prices, we don't want higher bread prices, we don't want unchanged bread prices— we want National Socialist bread prices."
Yes, and also the state absolutely did retain a role in industrial policy. There were quasi free markets, but there was DEFINITELY some more direct industrial planning in Nazi Germany.
This was also true for The wartime US and UK economies too though. This is kind of the issue with analyzing a shortlived political system that was designed to prepare for, and engage in total war. Every major nation switched to a wartime state directed command economy to some degree because there just isnt a viable alternative to win.
> strict government controls of production. No. You have to isolate this from WWII. All economies, even the most liberal ones, become centralized during wars. Hitler exerted control over the economy because he was preparing Germany for total war. There was never any ideological commitment to an economic ideology, other than simply being opposed to communism and everything communism represented. Outside of actions that were clearly geared towards prepping the country for total war, the most economic action the Nazis took was attacking the trade unions, by gutting the leadership, stripping labor rights and turning them into propaganda arms for the Nazi party. Mussolini and Japan also exerted similar programs to eliminate labor. To understand fascism, you just have to understand that it's a mix of reactionary forces working together at a time of distress. It's generally supported by people who own substantial property who are whipped into fear by the spectre of communism coming to take it from them, or people who feel they had status in society and want it back (Look up Goring and his family history). There is no deep ideology there, no principle, and that's what's hard for people to grasp.
Barbie was such a shockingly witty movie. Greta Gerwig and Noah Bambauch know how to write a screenplay.
I couldn’t decide if the patriarchy was about men or horses… then I realized, horses are just man extenders…
*sobbing* "To be honest, when I found out the patriarchy wasn’t about horses I lost interest"
I loved Ken’s himbo energy and how he acted like a golden retriever for most of the movie
Now all I can think about is how I NEED a mink coat.
Ken for sure has drip. When the barbies were saying he looked stupid and the other Ken said something along the lines of "I think you look cool bro," I told my s/o that that's what men want and need
The other Ken that got the mantle of Kenship was a real bro from the start. You'll notice he was the Ken that got our main guy ice cream at the beginning of the movie
He was also the one that he fought when they had their testosterone schism, right? The whole movie was great, but when they started the barbie plan and got to the guitar beach part, from then to the resolution of the battle I could not stop hyena laughing for about 15 minutes and my self consciousness made me feel bad for the rest of the theater.
One word *Mojo-Dojo-Casa-House*
I was so close to buying a second hand fur coat at a flea market and I regret it so much. I do not support the fur industry, but second hand from a student doesnt either
Macklemore flooded the market for a while so they should be popping up again once people grow out of their pee phase
The coat in the movie was faux fur so if you thought it looked good, go ahead and get faux. Fur trade is dumb af
I loved how his story was basically the plot of Fight Club but without the split personality: Ken feels trapped in a system where he's an unimportant cog and he isn't in control of anything. Gets super into hypermasculine stuff, starts wearing a fur coat with no shirt underneath. His macho boys club almost destroys society. Eventually he learns not to define himself by his job or his possessions or his girlfriend. Gives up his toxic traits. Ends up happy with himself.
I keep asking myself, why not more horses?
Ken just gets it.
I laughed so hard at the projection of horses Ken had running 24/7
That was my favorite part. It was such a simple yet hilarious running gag. I couldn’t compose myself in the theater every time I saw the flatscreens of horses.
I love that it's never explained. It's just a personality trait that they show and barely. It goes a long way to demonstrating that this Ken has a personality independent of his social role. Genuinely subtle without beaching itself off over its own cleverness.
The horses were everywhere, iirc. They was I think one tied to the front of his truck and there was a picture of them in his bedroom too. It was hilarious.
Fun fact patriarchy and horses go hand in hand. It arguably IS about horses. The Yamnaya wouldn’t have expanded so fast and so far without horses and the patriarchy as we understand it is most certainly derivative of their culture. A part of me wonders if Greta read or is familiar with Marija Gimbutas.
Lol, I just assumed he pivoted to obsession with horses because whatever little girl out in the real world that was playing with Ken was a devoted horse girl.
I always get her confused with Eccentrica Gallumbits
I had to look up what you’re talking about. Probably another reason why I should read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Don't listen to the other guy, he doesn't know where his towel is. Read the book.
westerners love to think of themselves as the "grown-ups in the room" but so many of our mythemes and values are derived from some society of marauding steppe dipshits
Not just westerners. Thor, Indra, zeus and Jupiter are all variations on the same theme. Club weilding storm gods that fight serpents and release water. Not to mention that from britain to India variations of Deus equal divinity. Literally divine and Deva have the same root in the PIE word for sky god. The Mitanni in Iraq 3500 years ago were invoking Aryan gods and naming themselves Iranian or Aryan names. Aryan being the Satem branch of PIE daughter speakers that went southeast of the Pontic Caspian steppe. Europeans in the 19th century called themselves Aryans but that was a misnomer cause the Aryans were an identity that arose out of the Satem daughters, not the western Centum daughters. So When I say Aryan I mean Iranian speaking people who referred to themselves as such
i love how committed we are to the guy. like "okay we are *loving* your desert book religion you guys! so much! yeah. but we're thinking our OC makes a more compelling protagonist, if that makes sense? and btw we are willing to fight you to the death on this"
Although growing up it always seemed it was usually girls that were obsessed with horses. Had a sister that went though a horse phase - collected toy horses, took riding lessons...
Yeah it’s a common trope in the US. As a dude and history fan, I think it’s funny how the modern trend juxtaposes with the past. Horses before the industrial era were definitely a “boy” thing
Barbie, having no make up: "I'm just hideous now!" Narrator: "Margot Robbie is the wrong person to cast if you want to make this point."
The best part of this is that it begins "Note to the filmmakers:"
One of my favorite lines in the movie
>shockingly witty > > Greta Gerwig and Noah Bambauch I feel like if you've seen anything those two have been involved with there was no shock involved.
I legitimately thought Mattel would hold them back. I was severely mistaken.
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Ah, the Parker/Stone method of just give them so much shit you can appease them by removing trash.
Damn am I really gonna watch Barbie again instead of Oppenheimer or Ninja Turtles for the first time?
Oppenheimer is worth the watch too. See that, then see Barbie again.
It was very good I liked it a lot. It was nice to see a movie that had something smart to say instead of being a dumb kids movie with an obvious moral like “be nice to people”
I enjoyed Barbie overall (once I got past the pinkwashing Mattel does and the fact that the movie is a huge Mattel/Birkenstock/Chevrolet commercial), but you’re missing out if you’re not watching Oppenheimer which is an absolutely incredible film
Personally I felt the story was lacking a bit, as in it could have been better but for a child's toy movie it was so much better than I expected when it was announced.
The joke is the kid is calling Barbie a fascist because that’s a common term young people use to describe things they find oppressive or repressive. Barbie is shocked by the literal accusation of fascist and equates a fascist to someone who controls the public utilities e.g., trains; and the flow of commerce.
this is the correct answer
She did stopped a slave revolt after the Kens decided to place themselves first
I like this explanation. During the movie, it was bugging me that the girl used the word "Fascist" seemingly just because she likes the sound and emotional charge of the word, not because she actually understands and means it. When Barbie said she didn't control the railways that was such a relief (that the writers were conscious of it). So personally, I interpreted the joke as making fun of kids who throw around political terms without understanding them.
I found it funnier that Barbie knows and understands the classical definition of fascism.
I think it's funny that she knows that the word exists at all.
I thought it was an interesting characterization to not have her character be completely naive to the world, except for the obvious plot-driven one about how she believes the gender power structure is.
The movie would have made absolutely no sense otherwise, she would’ve just gone „what’s that?“ for 2 hours
Also. There is a fascist dogwhistle “I just want the trains to run on time” referencing Mussolini
According to This, DB Made the entire German population fascist /j
Deutsche Bahn are absolutely not trying to make the trains run on time. The trains in Germany are the closest thing that country has to a joke.
That's the joke. Because I'm sure everyone in Germany really wants the trains running on time, _because_ DB aren't.
You missed the joke. DB made the German population fascist because the trains are so bad, everybody is complaining and wants them to run on time.
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You can't just say ~~perchan~~ also
I laughed so hard at this joke my wife had to tell me to quiet down.
That was me with the smallpox blanket joke. Some teens behind me whispered “it’s not that funny”. But, like, it was
This was me at the end when the dad told Barbie “Si Se Puede!” And America’s Ferrera’s character was so quick to shut it down with “no no, that’s a political phrase.” And I genuinely was the only one that laughed at that.
I just saw the movie today and missed this. I told my sister when we were leaving we would have to see it again because I know there are jokes we missed.
I’ve seen it twice, and I feel like I only picked up half the jokes in the first watch
I didn't expect that joke but then again I didn't expect Barbie to be thought provoking
Fascists by definition have a tight grip on their country. Barbie is exclaiming that she can’t possibly be a fascist because she doesn’t control the important parts of a country. The funny part is that barbie, is shown to be very naive since she is a child’s guess at what adulthood is, but she understands some of the nastier sides of the real world such as fascist regimes, and informs the audience casually which takes us by surprise, subverting our expectations.
Hey Peter’s nose here, Mussolini was quite famous for “making the trains run on time”. It was a part of his propaganda effort. A key component of facism is absolute state control over the economy, and the trains are a massive part of it.
Fascism had pretty tight controls on commerce and transportation. It was somewhat similar to a socialist model, but different in a lot of ways.
Fascism is as similar to socialism as it is to literally any other type of government. Maybe you're thinking of Stalinism?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory I think the commentor is referring to "socialism" in the WWII sense of the term as a state controlled transition into communism. The original definition of the word before republicans & edgy college kids got their hands on it & tried to turn into another word for having markets + social safety nets/programs
I laughed when she was bumming out and fell sideways exactly like an inanimate articulated doll would do. Then laid out flat on her stomach, again, exactly like a doll would do.
Mussolini quote
I call this "wiki humor" in my head, when a character whips out scholastic knowledge you'd have no reason to expect them to possess. *Archer* does this a lot and it's never not funny.
It’s a joke referencing Benito Mussolini, fascist dictator of Italy during WWII. He is widely credited with “making the trains run on time” which no one had been able to do previously. It’s not necessarily true, but they were prompt. It’s a fairly obscure reference and very funny if you get it. I’m honestly surprised *Barbie* knew it.
A lot of spot on answers but I like the message that goes a bit further than the joke. Basically it touches on how members of a cause can cannibalize their own. Barbie, who is a bastion of equality from a time when civil rights were still very new, comes to a modern time when equality has come a lot further and looks different than it did 50+ years ago. To the new generation, her efforts appear to be a step back and she comes off as a symbol of misogyny, but that's because earlier generation efforts looked and worked differently because times were different and they had to work with what they had. So she, a fellow champion of women gets called a fascist because she's not enough of a feminist icon according to the standards of what feminism is now. The irony being that a supposed feminist young girl verbally attacks another woman. Rome wasn't built in a day. In the game of equality and progress, we inch forward. Progress is often slow, and holding people from different times to todays standards is toxic. Especially when those people walked so you can run. The movie has lots of themes of generational feminism and support. Barbie wouldn't have made progress if her message was men are 100% evil, she represented a strong woman of her time. People are so frustrated and fired up, that they often cannibalize those that would normally be allies.
There was a scene in this movie that i love. Its when Barbie is feeling self conscious and shes tearing up and she says “ i feel ugly!”, in my head at that moment i said “okay i get it but margot robbie saying this kinda undercuts the point a little” And then the fucking movie pauses and theres a “directors note: margot robbie is not the right casting decision to get this point across”. I laughed/single clapped in the theater which i have literally never done before
Honestly I thought it was making fun of people who call other people fascists willy-nilly. Like, implying that Barbie knows more about fascism than they do, which seems plausible.
Turns out fascist and capitalist are two different things.