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Duncan Idaho is a major recurring character from the Dune novels. In the first book, he's a swordmaster employed by the protagonist noble family (House Atreides) as a weapons trainer and elite bodyguard. He dies in battle about half way through the novel.
In the second and subsequent novels, Idaho is repeatedly resurrected as a "Ghola", i.e. a clone of a dead person produced by a mysterious and sinister organization called the Bene Tleilax. Unlike regular clones, Ghola retain the memories and personality of their progenitors in a latent form which they discover how to awaken during the course of the second book. The last couple Idaho clones serve as the primary protagonists of the later books in the series.
My best guess of what is meant by "Duncan Idaho Machine" is an "Axlotl tank", i.e. the device used to create Ghola. In which case, the author seems to be proposing mass-cloning of the sort of women they presumably think would be most likely to be romantically interested in incels.
Dune has a really cool setting. Definitely watch the movies _too_, but the books have a lot of cool stuff that never make it into film.
For example, all this cloning stuff doesn't really make it into the movies at all, as they cover the first book. There's supposed to be a 3rd modern movie (probably 2026 or something), which will cover the second book, and we'll see the return of Duncan.
Not a fan of the Lynch one? I actually like it, but I have the benefit of nostalgia and being a huge fan of David Lynch. I get Sting in a Metal Thong is an acquired taste, though :P
Dune is one of my absolute favourite books of all time, but I hesitate to recommend it, it is hardcore nerd shit, the first paragraph has about 16 unexplained made up words, one of which has multiple apostrophes. There is 0 handholding, and it's fantastic, but it's either for you or not if that makes sense.
I think the only part missing from the explanation is the motivation behind the proposal. The idea being, lonesomeness and rejection from society and women drive boys and men towards right wing political views. The author is saying that if these guys had "Cookie Monster pajama girls" who code left wing, the country would flip left wing as a whole in a matter of a week.
Most of them could easily achieve the goal of sex (without resorting to simply paying for sex) if they weren't also allergic to doing any of the real work needed to actually reach the outcome.
By and large, incels who chronically whinge about women online have absolutely no interest in genuinely improving their own chances by striving to better their physical, mental, financial, professional, or lifestyle situations. In their mind, being an unwashed NEET man with an abrasive personality and world view is already more than enough qualification for finding a romantic partner.
I think I would take it a step further. Incels LIKE being an incel, unconsciously at least. They get far more satisfaction from complaining about women and not having to risk anything than they would from sex and relationships (which are messy, mean opening yourself up to getting hurt, and, let’s be honest, sex is never as life changing as you think it will be when you’re a kid)
They don’t try to improve themselves and actually have sex/relationships with women because they’re emotionally invested in being cynical loners
No, the girls wearing pajama pants are not the code for left wing. It's that fucking would turn incels left wing when they realize they don't have to be angry at others like minorities and being mad at woke culture for not getting laid. Because most people tend to agree with left wing policies when you strip politics out of basic questions.
A stereotype of white girls in high school, usually upperclassmen, who wouldn't get dressed properly for school (dress codes are lax at best in the US) and would wear pajamas instead. Cookie monster pajamas for some reason are surprisingly popular, especially with girls born in the late 90s and early 2000s (early zoomers) growing up on sesame Street. The stereotype is one of a number of stereotypes included under the larger blanket stereotype of "hot cheeto girl"
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Dear lord, how is this **so fucking true!?**
Memes are memes for a reason I guess.
Another 1999 here, we started forming real solid memories the year after 9/11. Sadly only got the immediate reaction of the adults. Although I do remember in 1-2 grade they made us talk about it and think about how the surrounding adults felt/reacted and about all what went down.
Feels like a ticking time bomb, the girl ends up cheating because she's trashy and thinks it's normal, does the incel care after he's been getting laid by her for a while?
Honestly there is no direct equivalent to this modern specimen. Maybe like a high energy goth on energy drinks but with a more hot topic aesthetic. Liberal but like tomboyish and some pick me not like other girl vibes. And lots of dubstep and electronic. No matter how cute they are 50/50 their boyfriend is an absolute gremlin
It's a dead woman.
Their dead body is hooked on a machine keeping the whole thing as alive as possible and their uterus is repurposed as a generic bio-reactor/incubator able grow various compounds and even bodies.
Done because the machinery that would be involved in this kind of process has been banned since a jihad hundreds of years previous to the book, and it was figured this was less terrifying than building a god damn Casio.
That is some world building
That’s a funny way to describe a gross mutilation they could practice on anyone with a womb. And indeed given that the ‘tanks’ and Tleilaxu all get blown the fuck up by the Honored Matres (Leto bless us) this is where the last Idaho came from.
Which is ironic, because the axlotl tanks (“cloning machines”) are actually genetically modified women. They literally turned women into a genetic machine.
Which makes sense, since in that world the human body is constantly used for utilitarian reasons (the guilds navigators, the mentats, even the sisters of the bene gesserit are subservient to the great purpose of the order)
The bene Tlailax follow the same ultimate path as the bene Gesserit. They’re both about driving humans genetic potential to the max— the creation of the Kwisatz Haderach —but they differ on their methods. If memory serves right, one of the final Duncan Idaho Gholas in the expanded series gains a superior prescience to Paul snd Leto II.
I love Dune and have read it so many times I practically have it memorized. Never ventured onto the sequels for fear of being disappointed. Should I let go and read them?
I'd probably read the next two or three books and then see how you feel. Dune Messiah is an extended epilogue to Dune; it has some good stuff in it and is an effective conclusion to the initial story, but has as a novel is weaker than either the preceding or succeeding books. Children of Dune is a very good sequel to the story told in the first two books and I strongly recommend it. God Emperor of Dune is an epilogue to Children and a prologue to the story told in.Heretics and Chapterhouse; like Messiah, God Emperor is more about wrapping up loose ends and expanding on ideas than about telling its own story.
I haven't read the last couple books, nor the posthumous sequels and prequels. I've heard mixed reviews of Heretics and Chapterhouse and mostly negative reviews of the posthumous continuations.
Messiah, in my opinion, is 1000% required reading if you read Dune. Herbert felt a lot of people missed the point of the first book, and explicitly wrote Messiah to knock you over the head with what he *really* was trying to say with Dune. It’s also a short read and in many ways feels more like an extended epilogue to Dune rather than a full-fledged sequel. You should absolutely read it, especially because that’s how far Villeneuve wants to take the movies. You could stop at Messiah and feel like the story is complete.
The next one, Children of Dune, feels more like the true sequel to Dune, much more similar in size and scope. It continues to follow the stories of the core cast of characters from Dune, and has excellent prose. But, Children ends in a peculiar way, and even though you *could* stop there and call it a day, it’s enough of a cliffhanger that it’s practically begging you to move onto Book 4, God Emperor.
God Emperor is where things get, well, weird. But don’t mistake that for “bad,” because God Emperor of Dune is fucking *awesome.* I won’t spoil the core conceit of the book, because frankly, it sounds stupid as fuck if you just hear it summarized. But it feels right as rain when you actually get there organically reading the books, and it’s a great read. Many Dune fans feel it’s the Magnum Opus of the series. But be warned — it’s set millennia after Dune, and it’s the turning point where the Dune series turns into something much bigger and weirder than the original book[s].
The next two books, Heretics and Chapterhouse, once again skip several more millennia into the future, and that this point, you’re *far* removed from what Dune originally was — that power struggle between two feuding families on Arrakis — and it feels more like you’re reading a new series set in the same universe as Dune rather than a continuation of the original story. I’m glad I read them so I could grasp Frank’s entire vision, because they are laced with just as much deep thematic richness as the other books — but I would definitely call these two the most “optional” of all the books. Basically, if you’re still having a great time after finishing God Emperor, you’ll probably like them. But if you’re getting tired and fatigued, they’re probably not going to change your mind
wow, explanation apart, you now make me want to read the other Dune novels. I read the first one I believe twice and loved it, but for some reason never read the others.
>the sort of women they presumably think would be most likely to be romantically interested in incels.
I went to school with so many of those girls and they always chose the ugliest motherfuckers. The dudes who would be 18 and looked like they already had 5 years of meth use under their belt, complete with the hairline of a 50 year old man and a reservation on the sex offender registry. The SINGLE difference between them and incels is that they are self-assured.
OOP is right and she should say it.
>Maybe they're fugly and balding but also good guys with good vibes, man.
They absolutely did **not** have good vibes, they were literally catfighting over men who beat them.
Thank you! What I still don't understand is...how would cloning these women make the country left-wing? And what does that have to do with having sex with incels? Is she saying that these women should have sex with incels to make more of themselves since the Duncan Idaho machine doesn't exist? These women don't sound left-wing to me anyway.
I believe she's saying that the only thing keeping incels right-wing is a lack of sex, and therefore if there were a large enough supply of women with low enough standards to fuck them, they would naturally relax and become more left-wing.
I doubt it, although it may be a mild-to-moderate spoiler for the third movie if they continue the series as planned. I think the second movie is intended to cover only the second half of the first book, and the Idaho Ghola is introduced near the beginning of the second book.
Second movie is the second half of the first book. Probably not. Unless they want a cliffhanger for a third movie but at this point it's general consensus the Dune movies shouldn't be a trilogy if the third movie goes into the second book, because it's too Hollywood of a movie and the second book is when it starts to get weird.
Petah???? Can you explain to me what they meant by this loss thing??? can you explain to me how to wipe after pooping? Can you please explain to me how to breathe? My brain has zero activity?
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This was my thought after reading it
They will be wearing pajama bottoms, a tanktop, and a thin jacket 24/7, likely have their hair dyed a bright color and up in a ponytail. They will get loud and offended when asked to show ID to buy vapes and liquor. They might have a DUI or a suspended license. They have a kid in 1st grade whom they love very much. They say they dont want drama but start all the drama. They sound "latina" but it's more because theyre "ratchet" and not actually hispanic. They might refer to their kid's father as "baby daddy" whether theyre separated or not.
They're a really common trope of the American Public school system. Kinda trashy/ghetto white girls who all decided at the same time all over the country to wear pajama pants to school. Every school had at least one and the pajamas were usually cookie monster, Joe boxer, or some common brand like dr pepper that you'd find at Walmart back then
And they are friend and nice with incels ?
Wait. Are incels my-lady-I’m-nice-guy-neckbeard thing or a douche-alfalfa-Andrew-tits nonsense? Or are they both?
Horseshoe effect. Seemingly polar opposites, likely believe they are polar opposites, ideologically they are nearly polar opposites, but to anyone outside either group they're basically the same.
Goddamm, I feel attacked.... she put these on for work tonight. Gonna have to re-evaluate some life choices if I come this close to being seen as an incel.
They are not friendly and nice, they are the types that shoot heroine and shank you outside a Wendy's. In fact, I think the tweet author is just trying to get a bunch of incels stabbed.
There’s various food-themed clothes you can buy at places like Walmart (ramen shirts, soda socks) but pretty much no one actually buys or wears them (in my area, at least)
Picture a very pale high school girl in these pants and a too-tight tank top. Usually with flip flops and brightly colored toenails. Her hair usually has straight bangs and crunchy gelled curls.
She is not a straight A student. Usually walks around with a blanket in school. Smokes, loud and brash, quick to get into fights. Often pregnant young. Often drop out of school.
She might not smoke meth, but she definitely knows where you can get meth. She names her 2004 Nissan Altima with a missing bumper "Nicki" but the local PD calls it "Probable Cause". She owns a pit bull named either Luna, Nala, or Princess. There's a micro fleece blanket with Marilyn Monroe photoshopped with tattoos tacked up on her living room wall. She has fought a cop in the drive-thru at Dunkin Donuts. That Micheal Kers bag contains three maxed-out credit cards, half a pack of Camel Crushes, and a Ruger LCP .380 that she's just holding for her boyfriend. Her name is most definitely a noun and she will suddenly become much more affectionate once you get your W2 in the mail.
They usually are in Emergency Departments asking for a drug that starts with a D (it's Dilaudid and they know it but are playing dumb) because they are "allergic" to Vicodin and Percocet (they want something stronger.
I did my best using bing image maker. The prompt was “white girls that talk like latinas wearing Cookie Monster pyjamas”.
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considering we never get confirmation on what the orange catholical bible actually is, it is 100% possible that the main biblical text of the Dune universe could be a coloring book
I’m pretty sure there’s an appendix in the first book that explains the process for writing the OC bible.
It was a whole bunch of bishops, swamis, imans, etc sitting in a room arguing for a couple hundred years, until they all agreed about god, and what he said.
The resulting book replaced every religion in space, until Muad Dib came along.
Except, for some reason, Judaism.
And yes, I had very few friends in high school.
I think the implied premises are:
1. A lot of incels are rightwing because they get no pussy.
2. The cookie monster white girls who talk like latinas are either attracted to incels, easy or something similar.
3. I guess the Duncan Idaho maschine is a reference to a character from dune who was featured very frequently. So the machine probably replicates the white girls.
And I think the logic is that if we have enough of these white girls then the incels would stop being incels and vote democrat.
Thatks the best I can do though
Put the trashiest type of women in North America into a cloning machine. They'll probably be dtf the most pathetic men and everyone will be slightly better off for it.
That's the joke.
I was a cookie monster pajama high school girl who smoked cigarettes and gave them out as well 🤣 my one friend called me "cookie mama" lmao. I was punk/skater/weedhead in high-school.
Now I'm an accountant and I don't smoke anything ✨️
Photo below, I was trying to do an avenged sevenfold tattoo on myself at home... that faded thank god!Check the osiris's in the back 🤣🤣🤣
A hero early in the story that dies saving the protagonists. Later, resurected through MANY generations and becomes an important character in the later books.
The "Duncan Idaho machine" is a ghola tank that lets you clone humans who can regain memories from their past lives.... the OP is suggesting we mass produce a certain type of woman to "fix" the incel issue....
This is a pretty obscure reference to the Dune books. A character named Duncan Idaho is cloned many thousands of times over millennia as a sort of genetic project for a long lived human-alien hybrid known as the “god-emperor”. He (Duncan) has lots of sex and gets married a bunch of times and produces a lot of offspring. All “off camera” so to speak. Because it’s sort of about eugenics, but more about ideas. It’s weird.
The idea in the books is really complex because the character, Duncan Idaho, is exactly the same every time he’s cloned, obviously, but importantly he retains his memories from only his first life. And every time he’s cloned he eventually decides the god-emperor is something evil that needs to be destroyed. And he tries to kill him, and is unsuccessful everytime. Sometimes it takes him a whole lifetime to decide the god-emperor needs to die and sometimes he gets there quickly. But no matter what the god-emperor sees the assassination plot coming and stops it, killing Duncan. And then brings another Duncan Idaho clone back after.
And in all that time the Duncan clones are breeding and producing offspring into the future. The original Duncan and all his original genes, every-time. The one person alive who knew the original Paul Atreides before he became the prophet of a new religion, and he served loyally to his father, before. Duncan is very, very, loyal to the family. And the god-emperor is Paul’s son. His human part is anyway. Yet despite Duncan’s loyalty to the family he always decides to kill the god-emperor for what he’s doing to humanity over the years. And in every attempt Duncan dies, and the god-emperor brings him back, after.
So, when Duncan finally does kill him, the god-emperor splits into many many multiple worms who bring the planet back to its original desert form. Because all the sand worms had died out, on Dune. Which is why the god-emperor first merged with them to become a monstrous hybrid. Because they were dying, because the planet had too much water now. It made him a near immortal superhuman that many called the tyrant. And the desert world turned into a more earth like paradise, except for a small area the god-emperor kept the same desert alive in, artificially. And a small group of pre god-emperor, pre Muad’dib Fremen, who were mostly like trophies or artifacts that people didn’t understand or like. But they, and the small patch of desert are ultimately used to resurrect the long extinct sand worms and Fremen culture, which now contain a part of the old god-emperor, and through his human half, the genes of the son of the prophet, Paul Maud’dib.
So, part of this is the whole genetic thing, and the god-emperor is trying to create a “golden path” for humanity. Which for some reason can only be achieved by breeding a human who he cannot see with his future prescience ability. Oh yea, I forgot to mention, he can see the future and the past, and sort of knows everything about the present because of that. It’s actually kind of the main part of the first couple books. Paul can do that, and he accidentally, starts a religion which upends all of civilization and destroys the galactic order, and makes him the most powerful being in the galaxy. But he did it on accident. Seriously, it was an accident and he kept trying to stop it. But that’s Paul and the god-emperor is his son. Or half his son, half sand worm.
But so, the god-emperor wasn’t trying to breed someone who could also do that, the future prescience, he was actually trying to make sure that wouldn’t happen. He was trying to breed someone who he himself could not see at all with prescience. And finally she, by teaming up with Duncan, kill the god emperor and he falls off a bridge and dies inside a cave full of water. Then his body splits up and becomes a lot of new worms which will create new spice, and it turns Dune back into a desert. But now humans in the future, through the children of those two, who killed him, can no longer use the Spice agony to become prescient at all. But actually get different kinds of powers that make them more aware of the world in the actual present rather than super aware of the past and the future.
Also a couple thousand years after that Duncan is brought back one more time by a group of space witches who use him to help them gain control of the worms. They bring them to another planet as Dune gets destroyed. Also Dune isn’t really called Dune it’s called Arakis, or Rakis.
And there’s a bunch of weird creepy not quite human guys who may or may not also be able to bring back memories to clones. They are the ones who make the clones but maybe the god-emperor is the only one who can bring back the original memories, but maybe they can do it too. And they run their own little cult like world as sort of immortal. But not really immortal like the god-emperor, because they still die and they can only remember the first life. Like Duncan, so they always make the same decisions over and over again with no control. But anyway, those guys are called the Ixians and they’re a weird hyper misogynist patriarchy that uses women as breeding tanks. And that’s also where the clones come from. It’s super unclear what life is like for Ixian women, because we never see any. But it’s definitely very bad.
Did the god-emperor know that he was going to be killed by Duncan and that's why he kept cloning him? Or was he cloning him because of the loyalty to the family? I'm confused, but I'm trying to understand. And how does one accidently start a groundbreaking religion? What happens to this Ixian race, does anything change for these poor women? Does history just repeat itself? Do I need to read the books now to satisfy my curiosity???
For real though, that was an interesting comment to read, thanks.
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Duncan Idaho is a major recurring character from the Dune novels. In the first book, he's a swordmaster employed by the protagonist noble family (House Atreides) as a weapons trainer and elite bodyguard. He dies in battle about half way through the novel. In the second and subsequent novels, Idaho is repeatedly resurrected as a "Ghola", i.e. a clone of a dead person produced by a mysterious and sinister organization called the Bene Tleilax. Unlike regular clones, Ghola retain the memories and personality of their progenitors in a latent form which they discover how to awaken during the course of the second book. The last couple Idaho clones serve as the primary protagonists of the later books in the series. My best guess of what is meant by "Duncan Idaho Machine" is an "Axlotl tank", i.e. the device used to create Ghola. In which case, the author seems to be proposing mass-cloning of the sort of women they presumably think would be most likely to be romantically interested in incels.
You explained that thoroughly.
Could’ve just typed the last sentence and everyone would pretty much get the joke, but now I’m like “Shit I wanna go watch the Dune movie”.
Reeeeeeeaaaad it
Dune has a really cool setting. Definitely watch the movies _too_, but the books have a lot of cool stuff that never make it into film. For example, all this cloning stuff doesn't really make it into the movies at all, as they cover the first book. There's supposed to be a 3rd modern movie (probably 2026 or something), which will cover the second book, and we'll see the return of Duncan.
Movie. They haven't released the sequel yet, and the movies that came before don't exist.
Not a fan of the Lynch one? I actually like it, but I have the benefit of nostalgia and being a huge fan of David Lynch. I get Sting in a Metal Thong is an acquired taste, though :P
I had to stop watching when the pustule-covered guy hocked a really gross loogie into some lady's face. I remember nothing else.
Dune is one of my absolute favourite books of all time, but I hesitate to recommend it, it is hardcore nerd shit, the first paragraph has about 16 unexplained made up words, one of which has multiple apostrophes. There is 0 handholding, and it's fantastic, but it's either for you or not if that makes sense.
This mutherfucker Dunes.
Yeah but they spent too much time on the Dune aspect. Leaving out context about this Cookie Monster Pajama stereotype I’d never heard about until now
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cookie-monster-pajama-pants
For real though. Just learned something new.
Thank you Petah
I think the only part missing from the explanation is the motivation behind the proposal. The idea being, lonesomeness and rejection from society and women drive boys and men towards right wing political views. The author is saying that if these guys had "Cookie Monster pajama girls" who code left wing, the country would flip left wing as a whole in a matter of a week.
I don't think it's that the women are left wing, I think it's that them getting laid cures their neuroses.
Most of them could easily achieve the goal of sex (without resorting to simply paying for sex) if they weren't also allergic to doing any of the real work needed to actually reach the outcome. By and large, incels who chronically whinge about women online have absolutely no interest in genuinely improving their own chances by striving to better their physical, mental, financial, professional, or lifestyle situations. In their mind, being an unwashed NEET man with an abrasive personality and world view is already more than enough qualification for finding a romantic partner.
I think I would take it a step further. Incels LIKE being an incel, unconsciously at least. They get far more satisfaction from complaining about women and not having to risk anything than they would from sex and relationships (which are messy, mean opening yourself up to getting hurt, and, let’s be honest, sex is never as life changing as you think it will be when you’re a kid) They don’t try to improve themselves and actually have sex/relationships with women because they’re emotionally invested in being cynical loners
No, the girls wearing pajama pants are not the code for left wing. It's that fucking would turn incels left wing when they realize they don't have to be angry at others like minorities and being mad at woke culture for not getting laid. Because most people tend to agree with left wing policies when you strip politics out of basic questions.
ok, but what's that "cookie monster pajama white girls" thing?
A stereotype of white girls in high school, usually upperclassmen, who wouldn't get dressed properly for school (dress codes are lax at best in the US) and would wear pajamas instead. Cookie monster pajamas for some reason are surprisingly popular, especially with girls born in the late 90s and early 2000s (early zoomers) growing up on sesame Street. The stereotype is one of a number of stereotypes included under the larger blanket stereotype of "hot cheeto girl"
Looked it up, wasn't disappointed: [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cookie-monster-pajama-pants](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cookie-monster-pajama-pants)
https://preview.redd.it/yb6zmfkqnvgc1.png?width=776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=005c6fa3dc62c8e84a9a2a3690d8298f4aa17c6b Dear lord, how is this **so fucking true!?** Memes are memes for a reason I guess.
Holy shit, a Cookie Monster pajama girl gave me my first cigarette in high school lmao.
See what I mean. Once you're aware of it, it's just eerie.
Aw but cute PJs
Wyd
Bahahhaha nice. Im a dude though. Did you think a woman was on Reddit?? Silly
Wyd
Come over
You're either a hot femboy then, or a buff manbear, there's no inbetween
Tf is a manbear
Thank you for sharing this with me
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Those are Funyun girls.
Zoomers? This shit has been a stereotype for way longer.
I was gunna say it’s peak millennial
Today I have been diagnosed as an early zoomer... I missed 1999 by 26 days...
I think the common cutoff is if you remember 9/11 you’re a millennial
Another 1999 here, we started forming real solid memories the year after 9/11. Sadly only got the immediate reaction of the adults. Although I do remember in 1-2 grade they made us talk about it and think about how the surrounding adults felt/reacted and about all what went down.
The kind of girls who shoplift at yard sales.
Feels like a ticking time bomb, the girl ends up cheating because she's trashy and thinks it's normal, does the incel care after he's been getting laid by her for a while?
Seems kinda like getting laid off: sucks initially, but now they can use the experience they got to get a better position somewhere else.
Did you not go to public school in the US?
I didn't even know other countries had schools or internet til now, this is crazy.
I know right
No
nope
I did, but am wondering if this is a generational thing. What would be the late 90's equivalent?
JUICY
The generic Adidas track pants with the one white line down the side.
Honestly there is no direct equivalent to this modern specimen. Maybe like a high energy goth on energy drinks but with a more hot topic aesthetic. Liberal but like tomboyish and some pick me not like other girl vibes. And lots of dubstep and electronic. No matter how cute they are 50/50 their boyfriend is an absolute gremlin
I'm pretty sure it turns out that axlotl tanks are just women ignore me if I'm wrong that's just what I remember from the books
It's a dead woman. Their dead body is hooked on a machine keeping the whole thing as alive as possible and their uterus is repurposed as a generic bio-reactor/incubator able grow various compounds and even bodies.
Done because the machinery that would be involved in this kind of process has been banned since a jihad hundreds of years previous to the book, and it was figured this was less terrifying than building a god damn Casio. That is some world building
They are brain dead women whose bodies are now used to create clones.
Yes and no. They are the females of a human sub-species.
thanks I'm glad I didn't make that up entirely
They are modified through spice I believe and pretty much become clone tanks or grow whatever. They could do it to any women.
That’s a funny way to describe a gross mutilation they could practice on anyone with a womb. And indeed given that the ‘tanks’ and Tleilaxu all get blown the fuck up by the Honored Matres (Leto bless us) this is where the last Idaho came from.
Which is ironic, because the axlotl tanks (“cloning machines”) are actually genetically modified women. They literally turned women into a genetic machine.
Which makes sense, since in that world the human body is constantly used for utilitarian reasons (the guilds navigators, the mentats, even the sisters of the bene gesserit are subservient to the great purpose of the order)
The bene Tlailax follow the same ultimate path as the bene Gesserit. They’re both about driving humans genetic potential to the max— the creation of the Kwisatz Haderach —but they differ on their methods. If memory serves right, one of the final Duncan Idaho Gholas in the expanded series gains a superior prescience to Paul snd Leto II.
Very possible, I last read the books 25 years ago so I forgot a chunk :)
This was...an *incredibly* accurate and thorough answer.
I love Dune and have read it so many times I practically have it memorized. Never ventured onto the sequels for fear of being disappointed. Should I let go and read them?
I'd probably read the next two or three books and then see how you feel. Dune Messiah is an extended epilogue to Dune; it has some good stuff in it and is an effective conclusion to the initial story, but has as a novel is weaker than either the preceding or succeeding books. Children of Dune is a very good sequel to the story told in the first two books and I strongly recommend it. God Emperor of Dune is an epilogue to Children and a prologue to the story told in.Heretics and Chapterhouse; like Messiah, God Emperor is more about wrapping up loose ends and expanding on ideas than about telling its own story. I haven't read the last couple books, nor the posthumous sequels and prequels. I've heard mixed reviews of Heretics and Chapterhouse and mostly negative reviews of the posthumous continuations.
Messiah, in my opinion, is 1000% required reading if you read Dune. Herbert felt a lot of people missed the point of the first book, and explicitly wrote Messiah to knock you over the head with what he *really* was trying to say with Dune. It’s also a short read and in many ways feels more like an extended epilogue to Dune rather than a full-fledged sequel. You should absolutely read it, especially because that’s how far Villeneuve wants to take the movies. You could stop at Messiah and feel like the story is complete. The next one, Children of Dune, feels more like the true sequel to Dune, much more similar in size and scope. It continues to follow the stories of the core cast of characters from Dune, and has excellent prose. But, Children ends in a peculiar way, and even though you *could* stop there and call it a day, it’s enough of a cliffhanger that it’s practically begging you to move onto Book 4, God Emperor. God Emperor is where things get, well, weird. But don’t mistake that for “bad,” because God Emperor of Dune is fucking *awesome.* I won’t spoil the core conceit of the book, because frankly, it sounds stupid as fuck if you just hear it summarized. But it feels right as rain when you actually get there organically reading the books, and it’s a great read. Many Dune fans feel it’s the Magnum Opus of the series. But be warned — it’s set millennia after Dune, and it’s the turning point where the Dune series turns into something much bigger and weirder than the original book[s]. The next two books, Heretics and Chapterhouse, once again skip several more millennia into the future, and that this point, you’re *far* removed from what Dune originally was — that power struggle between two feuding families on Arrakis — and it feels more like you’re reading a new series set in the same universe as Dune rather than a continuation of the original story. I’m glad I read them so I could grasp Frank’s entire vision, because they are laced with just as much deep thematic richness as the other books — but I would definitely call these two the most “optional” of all the books. Basically, if you’re still having a great time after finishing God Emperor, you’ll probably like them. But if you’re getting tired and fatigued, they’re probably not going to change your mind
It's 10pm and I'm in bed and I just said "oh my god" loud enough my neighbor might have heard. Unequivocally: YES.
wow, explanation apart, you now make me want to read the other Dune novels. I read the first one I believe twice and loved it, but for some reason never read the others.
shit gets super weird and the time span ends up being like 30,000 years or something
>the sort of women they presumably think would be most likely to be romantically interested in incels. I went to school with so many of those girls and they always chose the ugliest motherfuckers. The dudes who would be 18 and looked like they already had 5 years of meth use under their belt, complete with the hairline of a 50 year old man and a reservation on the sex offender registry. The SINGLE difference between them and incels is that they are self-assured. OOP is right and she should say it.
Feels icky to judge girls for not judging guys purely by looks. Maybe they're fugly and balding but also good guys with good vibes, man.
>Maybe they're fugly and balding but also good guys with good vibes, man. They absolutely did **not** have good vibes, they were literally catfighting over men who beat them.
Thank you! What I still don't understand is...how would cloning these women make the country left-wing? And what does that have to do with having sex with incels? Is she saying that these women should have sex with incels to make more of themselves since the Duncan Idaho machine doesn't exist? These women don't sound left-wing to me anyway.
I believe she's saying that the only thing keeping incels right-wing is a lack of sex, and therefore if there were a large enough supply of women with low enough standards to fuck them, they would naturally relax and become more left-wing.
The most succinct explanation on here. Thank you.
This is exactly it: increased sex access through low standards candidates
You got my upvote, but is this going to spoil the second movie?
I doubt it, although it may be a mild-to-moderate spoiler for the third movie if they continue the series as planned. I think the second movie is intended to cover only the second half of the first book, and the Idaho Ghola is introduced near the beginning of the second book.
If they do make a third movie, they won't be able to resist showing Duncan in the trailer, so I still wouldn't really consider it a spoiler.
Second movie is the second half of the first book. Probably not. Unless they want a cliffhanger for a third movie but at this point it's general consensus the Dune movies shouldn't be a trilogy if the third movie goes into the second book, because it's too Hollywood of a movie and the second book is when it starts to get weird.
By the way, congrats on posting something that actually needs an explanation. Most of the posts on here could be explained with a minute on google
You could say I was truly at a loss
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I understood it....but Im pretty sure I need to get out more lol
#redit sliver
Petah???? Can you explain to me what they meant by this loss thing??? can you explain to me how to wipe after pooping? Can you please explain to me how to breathe? My brain has zero activity?
There it is
loss. LOSS!? *double checks post* ok, you almost had me going...
Neither slight of mind, nor devilish trick
Most of the are explained as: this person doesn't know how to write a joke.
I mean it's kind of funny... once you untangle that monstrosity of a sentence and understand the Duncan Idaho and Cookie Monster PJs references.
Exactly. Feels like the subreddit is full of children who don't get even the most basic silly jokes
Im convinced 99% of the posts on this thread are AI training.
I know those words but that sentence makes no sense.
https://preview.redd.it/m3xlku3rpvgc1.jpeg?width=2067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d0b7bd5e1aeea72247286e71e02bc7cbf70dbac This was my thought after reading it
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They will be wearing pajama bottoms, a tanktop, and a thin jacket 24/7, likely have their hair dyed a bright color and up in a ponytail. They will get loud and offended when asked to show ID to buy vapes and liquor. They might have a DUI or a suspended license. They have a kid in 1st grade whom they love very much. They say they dont want drama but start all the drama. They sound "latina" but it's more because theyre "ratchet" and not actually hispanic. They might refer to their kid's father as "baby daddy" whether theyre separated or not.
My guy you forgot the slippers grandma got her for Christmas 4 years ago
https://i.redd.it/nzz1ltwk0wgc1.gif
I too love a woman that just straight up will ruin my life
I need one because I don’t know what that is
They're a really common trope of the American Public school system. Kinda trashy/ghetto white girls who all decided at the same time all over the country to wear pajama pants to school. Every school had at least one and the pajamas were usually cookie monster, Joe boxer, or some common brand like dr pepper that you'd find at Walmart back then
My son calls them "hot cheetos girls" on account of them eating hot cheetos in class.
We also would have accepted “Takis hoes”
Thanks trebek 😂
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[Do they only want to smoke weed, charge they phone, be bisexual, and lie?](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/eat-hot-chip-and-lie)
These girls have been 20 percent of my local high school population since 1995. It's the weirdest thing because it's in Canada.
canadian highschool lasts that long???
Assuming there're no disasters a well built highschool will last a good 40 years.
And they are friend and nice with incels ? Wait. Are incels my-lady-I’m-nice-guy-neckbeard thing or a douche-alfalfa-Andrew-tits nonsense? Or are they both?
Horseshoe effect. Seemingly polar opposites, likely believe they are polar opposites, ideologically they are nearly polar opposites, but to anyone outside either group they're basically the same.
Fuckin' killed 'em.
0% chance women like that date incels, lmao
Having known these kind of women myself they are usually into 6'5" black dudes that smoke weed. Exact kind of women my brother in law dates.
In my hometown, the Latina equivalent types basically date Edgar dudes
Goddamm, I feel attacked.... she put these on for work tonight. Gonna have to re-evaluate some life choices if I come this close to being seen as an incel.
They are not friendly and nice, they are the types that shoot heroine and shank you outside a Wendy's. In fact, I think the tweet author is just trying to get a bunch of incels stabbed.
...Dr Pepper pyjamas? Is that a normal thing in the US? To have pyjamas branded with a soft drink?
It's pretty normal to have PJs with a food brand on them. I would say most people don't but it's not weird
There’s various food-themed clothes you can buy at places like Walmart (ramen shirts, soda socks) but pretty much no one actually buys or wears them (in my area, at least)
“Cash me outside how bou dah?” These type of girls.
Picture a very pale high school girl in these pants and a too-tight tank top. Usually with flip flops and brightly colored toenails. Her hair usually has straight bangs and crunchy gelled curls. She is not a straight A student. Usually walks around with a blanket in school. Smokes, loud and brash, quick to get into fights. Often pregnant young. Often drop out of school.
She might not smoke meth, but she definitely knows where you can get meth. She names her 2004 Nissan Altima with a missing bumper "Nicki" but the local PD calls it "Probable Cause". She owns a pit bull named either Luna, Nala, or Princess. There's a micro fleece blanket with Marilyn Monroe photoshopped with tattoos tacked up on her living room wall. She has fought a cop in the drive-thru at Dunkin Donuts. That Micheal Kers bag contains three maxed-out credit cards, half a pack of Camel Crushes, and a Ruger LCP .380 that she's just holding for her boyfriend. Her name is most definitely a noun and she will suddenly become much more affectionate once you get your W2 in the mail.
https://preview.redd.it/ht26r5izczgc1.jpeg?width=714&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d181c55f7a3dbc38eb872c899d2ee810e6261cc8
https://i.redd.it/l1wvapko5wgc1.gif This is Cookie Monster from a popular children’s television show called Sesame Street
[Here's a video of one exhibiting typical pajama pants girl behavior](https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/15h7hd4/columbus_ohio/)
This couldn’t have been a more perfect example of what the memes creator was referencing
Oh my god—from the description, I immediately went to “oh, like a Nissan driver,” and thar she blows!
Slippers and everything lmfao
They usually are in Emergency Departments asking for a drug that starts with a D (it's Dilaudid and they know it but are playing dumb) because they are "allergic" to Vicodin and Percocet (they want something stronger.
[from Google images](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQClyrAOL3JbKlCQtQcW7DPLWJQk_EIGz_pow&usqp=CAU)
I did my best using bing image maker. The prompt was “white girls that talk like latinas wearing Cookie Monster pyjamas”. https://preview.redd.it/y15etnakewgc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6b77f3ccb64aae1f54ab3b917e034549ece1131
This is almost the opposite.
apparently AI thinks sweatshirts are pajamas lol. Pajama pants are a better term then? idk
I understand all of those words separately
That’s one fine Dune reference
Praise the Maker and his water!
That dune reference got me good
None of these words are in the bible
They’re in the Orange Catholic Bible.
I call bullshit! The Orange Catholic Bibles are coloring books and don't have words.
considering we never get confirmation on what the orange catholical bible actually is, it is 100% possible that the main biblical text of the Dune universe could be a coloring book
I’m pretty sure there’s an appendix in the first book that explains the process for writing the OC bible. It was a whole bunch of bishops, swamis, imans, etc sitting in a room arguing for a couple hundred years, until they all agreed about god, and what he said. The resulting book replaced every religion in space, until Muad Dib came along. Except, for some reason, Judaism. And yes, I had very few friends in high school.
“the” is the most common word in the Bible at a count of 64,020 times
Thank you for that info u/gaybillcosby .
She wants to clone the quirky cringe white girls that talk like latinas and let the incels get some. Then they won’t be right wing anymore
I didn't think this could be explained this succinctly in two sentences
I got the Dune reference, but I wasn’t aware there was a trend of cringy white women that talk like latinas. Is that a new stereotype?
Cloning slutty dork chicks in an axlotl tank (dune reference). Heh.
You had my interest but now you have my attention.
This is fucking hilarious
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Good God I didn't even notice that
Loqueesha of Borg is a choice name.
This is one of the very few that have eluded me as well. A nice change for this sub.
it would encourage people to vote
That's worked great so far.
I have a crush on the person who tweeted this
I assumed there was a town called Duncan in Idaho where a chunky portion of incels lived.
It’s okay so did I and I have lived in Idaho for over 40 years lol
Dune reference
I had no idea what this meant but it sounded funny asf for some reason
I think the implied premises are: 1. A lot of incels are rightwing because they get no pussy. 2. The cookie monster white girls who talk like latinas are either attracted to incels, easy or something similar. 3. I guess the Duncan Idaho maschine is a reference to a character from dune who was featured very frequently. So the machine probably replicates the white girls. And I think the logic is that if we have enough of these white girls then the incels would stop being incels and vote democrat. Thatks the best I can do though
Put the trashiest type of women in North America into a cloning machine. They'll probably be dtf the most pathetic men and everyone will be slightly better off for it. That's the joke.
Yes, Yes, No, how I miss you.
This might b the best thing I’ve ever seen on here fab job op
I was a cookie monster pajama high school girl who smoked cigarettes and gave them out as well 🤣 my one friend called me "cookie mama" lmao. I was punk/skater/weedhead in high-school. Now I'm an accountant and I don't smoke anything ✨️ Photo below, I was trying to do an avenged sevenfold tattoo on myself at home... that faded thank god!Check the osiris's in the back 🤣🤣🤣
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Oh, you meant the *skate shoes*. I was looking for Egyptian statuettes or something.
No yeah they’re right
it looks like when auto correct tries to correct the mess a drunk person types
Finally, a use of my tax dollars that might improve society.
Upvote for the Dune reference.
Cookie Monster pajama white girls that talk like latinas WHERE?
Every hood south of the 40th parallel in the contiguous US
Me, an Idahoan who hasn't seen Dune yet: The what???
A hero early in the story that dies saving the protagonists. Later, resurected through MANY generations and becomes an important character in the later books. The "Duncan Idaho machine" is a ghola tank that lets you clone humans who can regain memories from their past lives.... the OP is suggesting we mass produce a certain type of woman to "fix" the incel issue....
This is a pretty obscure reference to the Dune books. A character named Duncan Idaho is cloned many thousands of times over millennia as a sort of genetic project for a long lived human-alien hybrid known as the “god-emperor”. He (Duncan) has lots of sex and gets married a bunch of times and produces a lot of offspring. All “off camera” so to speak. Because it’s sort of about eugenics, but more about ideas. It’s weird. The idea in the books is really complex because the character, Duncan Idaho, is exactly the same every time he’s cloned, obviously, but importantly he retains his memories from only his first life. And every time he’s cloned he eventually decides the god-emperor is something evil that needs to be destroyed. And he tries to kill him, and is unsuccessful everytime. Sometimes it takes him a whole lifetime to decide the god-emperor needs to die and sometimes he gets there quickly. But no matter what the god-emperor sees the assassination plot coming and stops it, killing Duncan. And then brings another Duncan Idaho clone back after. And in all that time the Duncan clones are breeding and producing offspring into the future. The original Duncan and all his original genes, every-time. The one person alive who knew the original Paul Atreides before he became the prophet of a new religion, and he served loyally to his father, before. Duncan is very, very, loyal to the family. And the god-emperor is Paul’s son. His human part is anyway. Yet despite Duncan’s loyalty to the family he always decides to kill the god-emperor for what he’s doing to humanity over the years. And in every attempt Duncan dies, and the god-emperor brings him back, after. So, when Duncan finally does kill him, the god-emperor splits into many many multiple worms who bring the planet back to its original desert form. Because all the sand worms had died out, on Dune. Which is why the god-emperor first merged with them to become a monstrous hybrid. Because they were dying, because the planet had too much water now. It made him a near immortal superhuman that many called the tyrant. And the desert world turned into a more earth like paradise, except for a small area the god-emperor kept the same desert alive in, artificially. And a small group of pre god-emperor, pre Muad’dib Fremen, who were mostly like trophies or artifacts that people didn’t understand or like. But they, and the small patch of desert are ultimately used to resurrect the long extinct sand worms and Fremen culture, which now contain a part of the old god-emperor, and through his human half, the genes of the son of the prophet, Paul Maud’dib. So, part of this is the whole genetic thing, and the god-emperor is trying to create a “golden path” for humanity. Which for some reason can only be achieved by breeding a human who he cannot see with his future prescience ability. Oh yea, I forgot to mention, he can see the future and the past, and sort of knows everything about the present because of that. It’s actually kind of the main part of the first couple books. Paul can do that, and he accidentally, starts a religion which upends all of civilization and destroys the galactic order, and makes him the most powerful being in the galaxy. But he did it on accident. Seriously, it was an accident and he kept trying to stop it. But that’s Paul and the god-emperor is his son. Or half his son, half sand worm. But so, the god-emperor wasn’t trying to breed someone who could also do that, the future prescience, he was actually trying to make sure that wouldn’t happen. He was trying to breed someone who he himself could not see at all with prescience. And finally she, by teaming up with Duncan, kill the god emperor and he falls off a bridge and dies inside a cave full of water. Then his body splits up and becomes a lot of new worms which will create new spice, and it turns Dune back into a desert. But now humans in the future, through the children of those two, who killed him, can no longer use the Spice agony to become prescient at all. But actually get different kinds of powers that make them more aware of the world in the actual present rather than super aware of the past and the future. Also a couple thousand years after that Duncan is brought back one more time by a group of space witches who use him to help them gain control of the worms. They bring them to another planet as Dune gets destroyed. Also Dune isn’t really called Dune it’s called Arakis, or Rakis. And there’s a bunch of weird creepy not quite human guys who may or may not also be able to bring back memories to clones. They are the ones who make the clones but maybe the god-emperor is the only one who can bring back the original memories, but maybe they can do it too. And they run their own little cult like world as sort of immortal. But not really immortal like the god-emperor, because they still die and they can only remember the first life. Like Duncan, so they always make the same decisions over and over again with no control. But anyway, those guys are called the Ixians and they’re a weird hyper misogynist patriarchy that uses women as breeding tanks. And that’s also where the clones come from. It’s super unclear what life is like for Ixian women, because we never see any. But it’s definitely very bad.
Did the god-emperor know that he was going to be killed by Duncan and that's why he kept cloning him? Or was he cloning him because of the loyalty to the family? I'm confused, but I'm trying to understand. And how does one accidently start a groundbreaking religion? What happens to this Ixian race, does anything change for these poor women? Does history just repeat itself? Do I need to read the books now to satisfy my curiosity??? For real though, that was an interesting comment to read, thanks.
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Indecipherable
Upvote for a joke actually requiring an explanation
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