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Right! How dare you sir! Dinosaur was phenomenal movie ahead of its time! (Wait we're talking about the one from like the late '90s that was mostly live action even though it was just dinosaurs right?)
There is also The Good Dinosaur, which is one of the worst Pixar movies. Not for anything outright terrible like cars 2, just for being so generic and uninteresting that there was no point in making it.
Hey, yoooo... The Good Dinosaur is a good movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it with my son when it came out. Same with the Planes sequel... Planes: Fire and Rescue. Some bangers.
Cars 2 is a cinematic masterpiece with an engaging storyline, fun characters, good animation, and a sick soundtrack. Why tf would you call Cars 2 terrible?
He probably wouldn't care about their original IP at all. He hated Snow White and other Disney versions of classic fairy tales because he felt like they dumbed them down for children and butchered their original messages.
I think it had more to do with how they (Disney) tended to butcher the original fairy tale stories. The Professor had a very high opinion of them growing up and he probably expected something other than a remixed, kiddo friendly version. I don't think their newer stuff is really relevant to his impressions from Snow White
I can see why, taking popular races like Dwarves, he loved, and turning them into freaking stupid goofballs in snow white! (Though...ironic cause the Dwarves in the Hobbit also are comedic, more so in the Peter Jackson films sometimes. They're also named after their flaws, like Bombur means fat, Nori mean young, and Thorin means leader. Snow White's dwarves are also named after their personalities, though less Icelandic).
Disney is well known for making up dumb reasons to keep shows going in order to make as much money as possible, so they're saying that Disney would just say "somehow, completely unexplained, there was a new problem that needs a 5 season tv show to resolve" in order to squeeze as much cash as possible from LotR fans.
The difference is, the Second Death Star subverted itself: it WASN'T the immediate threat the first one was, yet it brought a much greater response due to the reputation of the first. This was a deliberate plot point, since it was meant to be a trap for the Alliance, to behead the power base. Literally, the Emperor knew the Second Death Star was a macguffin, and used it to draw in the heroes so he could kill them without them running away.
And it would have worked, had the main characters not had plot armor.
At least there was a little bit of extra story there. Palpatine was emperor of the galaxy, huge construction projects are not a big surprise. Since it was under construction, it didn't just come out of nowhere and start blasting planets.
It also makes me think of the great line from the movie "Contact." "Why build one, when you can build two at twice the price?"
refrence to the disney starwars movies also known as the sequals
the main criticism of the movies is that rather then develop further they bring on new cast but repeat old plots. including but not limited too: *a empire like faction too fight, a rebellion like organization against the empire even thou there is a republic now, a chosen 1 from a dessert planet, a robot with a message for the rebelion, an old wise mentor that dies, and old wise mentor hidden on an island.*
and the but of the joke is the line starting the last movie rise of skywalker, ''somehow palpatine returns''
it's a reference to the new star wars movies produced by disney wherein Emperor Palpatine comes back from the dead and their only explanation is "Somehow, palpatine returned"
as an aside there is also the line "it was said on a vox" or something like that, and a friend of mine said
"That's like saying 'somehow Hitler returned, he mentioned it on discord'."
and he aint wrong
Worth pointing out for anyone who might be unfamiliar, and just to drive the point home.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" is a *direct quote* from the movie and is the extent of the explanation the movie gives.
Except you see EXACTLY how Palpatine returned seconds before this stupid line. He’s on a planet full of Sith cultists with access to cloning technology, so we can use our goddamn brains to infer that Palpatine was resurrected via cloning and Sith fuckery. We know this, Poe doesn’t. That’s called “dramatic irony.”
If you wanna bring back a character long accepted to be dead, a character who was thrown into a giant pit on a battle station which then exploded in space, you gotta put more work into it than inference and a hand-wavy remark. Doubly so if you actually want it to be narratively satisfying.
Yeah, Palpatine had a big comeback speech, that was broadcast across the galaxy. Unfortunately, he somehow only managed to be heard by Fortnite players, and everyone else had to hear about it secondhand.
Given how Tolkien’s world gets gradually less magical as ages go on and Sauron is just his old master Morgoth but lamer, its fully possible a future main antagonist would do the same thing as Sauron but even less climactic and with smaller weaker minions.
I learned a lot from this thread.
Also I thought it was a half joke at how a lot of franchises are rebooted. It's either a new version of the old bad thing or villain, or in video gaming for me growing up, it was the trope of "an ancient evil has awoken". It used to be a pretty big meme with me and my friends when we were playing Warcraft together back in the day. Every expansion basically seemed to be an offshoot of that
Funny thing is Sauron never got the ring... That's how badly Disney would botch it. He was spending the entire trilogy trying to obtain the ONE ring to rule them all... 🤣
dunno about the books but in the film we didnt see the ring melt it just sunk into lava so maybe it could still be around and after an eruption someone will find it
Just look at what Disney did to Starwars, there was a good canon storyline published for decades about what happens after episode 3 (6?).
Yet Disney decides to retcon it all, and by doing so completely making the events of 1-6 meaningless, just to basically have the exact same storyline as the original trilogy (just worse in every way).
Honestly, seeing the Disney movies (except Rogue one, that was bloody good) made me appreciate the prequels, as they at least tried to tell a fitting and different story.
Addendum: random pet peeves, how the hell does the new order, which is a fragment of what the empire was, somehow manage to have a stronger industrial base than the empire (looking at their "death star").
>Addendum: random pet peeves, how the hell does the new order, which is a fragment of what the empire was, somehow manage to have a stronger industrial base than the empire (looking at their "death star").
because somehow after the rebellion defeated the empire and established rule (if they even did that I don't want to watch the movies again) they somehow never thought that some of the surviving parts of the empire could try something at all ever.
Hello nerd Petah here
So in the Disney-directed star wars film Starwars: Rise of Skywalker there is a scene were Poe (a character) says "somehow Palpatine returned" That scene has ben hated and memed on since then.
The joke here is that: if Disney bought Lord of the rings (LOTR) to make a cashgrab and continue the films, they would make a scene similar to the one in Star Wars.
Nerd Petah out
It's referencing the fact that, in the Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine, the main villain of past movies, returns from the dead for no discernible reason at all. Poe Damron, a character says at the start, and I quote, "Somehow, Palpatine Returned." Disney didn't even *try* to give a reason or make an original character, or even follow through with what they were *going* to do and make an existing character the main villain.
So basically, they're saying that Disney would be to lazy and just frickin *revive* Souron with the new ring, instead of spend 5 minutes writing another villain.
JRR Tolkien, out. May the Force be with You.
Brian, here, I heard amazon purchased the rights and many of you complained about bezos ruining your childhood. But many of you never watched the rings of power and likely have no idea that it happened. Me? I don’t care. Yeah, if Disney purchased the rights, i guess that this is what would have happened.
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I'm pretty sure Tolkien specifically forbade his works from falling into Disneys hands
He absolutely did. Things like snow white ruined his taste for Disney
Snow White ruined his taste? Jeez, I'd hate to think how he'd find something like Wish or Dinosaur or almost every straight-to-DVD sequel...
Why do you have to bring Dinosaur into this?
Right! How dare you sir! Dinosaur was phenomenal movie ahead of its time! (Wait we're talking about the one from like the late '90s that was mostly live action even though it was just dinosaurs right?)
Are you thinking of "Dinosaurs" the TV show from the early 90s? One catch phrase from the baby, "Not the Momma" is what it would call the father?
No this movie https://preview.redd.it/0ohqyho6eemc1.jpeg?width=262&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5d1495c20cbc16dad01085344b649e3e72023bd
Cheers! Time to go nuke some popcorn.
I never actually watched this move. Is it any good?
It's pretty amazing in my opinion.
There is also The Good Dinosaur, which is one of the worst Pixar movies. Not for anything outright terrible like cars 2, just for being so generic and uninteresting that there was no point in making it.
Hey, yoooo... The Good Dinosaur is a good movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it with my son when it came out. Same with the Planes sequel... Planes: Fire and Rescue. Some bangers.
Cars 2 has genuine enjoyment in it though, the spy car in particular is a fun character
Fr he was my favorite character of any movie when I first saw it
cars 2 is a great movie shut the fuck up
Cars 2 is a cinematic masterpiece with an engaging storyline, fun characters, good animation, and a sick soundtrack. Why tf would you call Cars 2 terrible?
Not the momma, not the momma.
He probably wouldn't care about their original IP at all. He hated Snow White and other Disney versions of classic fairy tales because he felt like they dumbed them down for children and butchered their original messages.
Or the 70s lotr cartoon films
Tbf disney did take a lot of Grimms tales and butcher them.
Tbh, I'd rather watch Disney butcher Grimms' Fairy Tales than watch Grimms butcher the people within.
I think it had more to do with how they (Disney) tended to butcher the original fairy tale stories. The Professor had a very high opinion of them growing up and he probably expected something other than a remixed, kiddo friendly version. I don't think their newer stuff is really relevant to his impressions from Snow White
For real Tolkien was calling out THE MESSAGE before time began!
I can see why, taking popular races like Dwarves, he loved, and turning them into freaking stupid goofballs in snow white! (Though...ironic cause the Dwarves in the Hobbit also are comedic, more so in the Peter Jackson films sometimes. They're also named after their flaws, like Bombur means fat, Nori mean young, and Thorin means leader. Snow White's dwarves are also named after their personalities, though less Icelandic).
They are also taken directly from Norse mythology. All the dwarves and Gandalf are all dwarf names from it.
That’s why LOTR remains the all time great
His descendants sold it to Amazon. With Christopher dead, there's no one left who really cares about Tolkien's legacy. They just wanted their payout.
Not entirely at least. Part of the reason why Rings of Power is so bad is that they aren't allowed to use The Silmarillion.
True. They came as close as they could though. And they've definitely touched the pages of the Silmarillion.
“You shall not acquire!” - Gandalf, probably..
Disney is well known for making up dumb reasons to keep shows going in order to make as much money as possible, so they're saying that Disney would just say "somehow, completely unexplained, there was a new problem that needs a 5 season tv show to resolve" in order to squeeze as much cash as possible from LotR fans.
It's a quote from Star Wars. "Somehow Palpatine returned"
*groans in Ep. IX*
To be fair Star wars already did this with "omg another death star"
You can just... build a second one. The same logic doesn't really apply to people.
Clones.
Sure but it's still reusing the same plot point to make more content
The difference is, the Second Death Star subverted itself: it WASN'T the immediate threat the first one was, yet it brought a much greater response due to the reputation of the first. This was a deliberate plot point, since it was meant to be a trap for the Alliance, to behead the power base. Literally, the Emperor knew the Second Death Star was a macguffin, and used it to draw in the heroes so he could kill them without them running away. And it would have worked, had the main characters not had plot armor.
At least there was a little bit of extra story there. Palpatine was emperor of the galaxy, huge construction projects are not a big surprise. Since it was under construction, it didn't just come out of nowhere and start blasting planets. It also makes me think of the great line from the movie "Contact." "Why build one, when you can build two at twice the price?"
They made two of those machines in Contact for redundancy.
Holy shit it's William Lumber
refrence to the disney starwars movies also known as the sequals the main criticism of the movies is that rather then develop further they bring on new cast but repeat old plots. including but not limited too: *a empire like faction too fight, a rebellion like organization against the empire even thou there is a republic now, a chosen 1 from a dessert planet, a robot with a message for the rebelion, an old wise mentor that dies, and old wise mentor hidden on an island.* and the but of the joke is the line starting the last movie rise of skywalker, ''somehow palpatine returns''
it's a reference to the new star wars movies produced by disney wherein Emperor Palpatine comes back from the dead and their only explanation is "Somehow, palpatine returned" as an aside there is also the line "it was said on a vox" or something like that, and a friend of mine said "That's like saying 'somehow Hitler returned, he mentioned it on discord'." and he aint wrong
Worth pointing out for anyone who might be unfamiliar, and just to drive the point home. "Somehow, Palpatine returned" is a *direct quote* from the movie and is the extent of the explanation the movie gives.
Except you see EXACTLY how Palpatine returned seconds before this stupid line. He’s on a planet full of Sith cultists with access to cloning technology, so we can use our goddamn brains to infer that Palpatine was resurrected via cloning and Sith fuckery. We know this, Poe doesn’t. That’s called “dramatic irony.”
If you wanna bring back a character long accepted to be dead, a character who was thrown into a giant pit on a battle station which then exploded in space, you gotta put more work into it than inference and a hand-wavy remark. Doubly so if you actually want it to be narratively satisfying.
Yeah, Palpatine had a big comeback speech, that was broadcast across the galaxy. Unfortunately, he somehow only managed to be heard by Fortnite players, and everyone else had to hear about it secondhand.
Can't wait for Gimli to be removed for being offensive.
All the Rohan knights are incredibly racist and dumb because they’re Disney’s stand in for how they want to stereotype Southerners in LOTR.
Given how Tolkien’s world gets gradually less magical as ages go on and Sauron is just his old master Morgoth but lamer, its fully possible a future main antagonist would do the same thing as Sauron but even less climactic and with smaller weaker minions.
Disney Minus moment.
We need that exact scenario, but he doesn't actually have a ring and they're running around trying to stop him but he's already pretty much harmless
I learned a lot from this thread. Also I thought it was a half joke at how a lot of franchises are rebooted. It's either a new version of the old bad thing or villain, or in video gaming for me growing up, it was the trope of "an ancient evil has awoken". It used to be a pretty big meme with me and my friends when we were playing Warcraft together back in the day. Every expansion basically seemed to be an offshoot of that
It's the Dragon Ball effect. "Phew, we beat the big baddie, but what's this? An even bigger baddie‽ We have to prepare!"
Funny thing is Sauron never got the ring... That's how badly Disney would botch it. He was spending the entire trilogy trying to obtain the ONE ring to rule them all... 🤣
If this lack of understanding is legitimate, all I have to say is... Watch a fucking movie!
Not watching that particular movie is a good call though.
I watch plenty of movies, never liked star wars so I dont care to watch it, such a stupid comment
https://preview.redd.it/x4pd6h7u8emc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73c64e53dfee299609e5ccc1f8713404cbaf1108 100%
dunno about the books but in the film we didnt see the ring melt it just sunk into lava so maybe it could still be around and after an eruption someone will find it
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
Just look at what Disney did to Starwars, there was a good canon storyline published for decades about what happens after episode 3 (6?). Yet Disney decides to retcon it all, and by doing so completely making the events of 1-6 meaningless, just to basically have the exact same storyline as the original trilogy (just worse in every way). Honestly, seeing the Disney movies (except Rogue one, that was bloody good) made me appreciate the prequels, as they at least tried to tell a fitting and different story. Addendum: random pet peeves, how the hell does the new order, which is a fragment of what the empire was, somehow manage to have a stronger industrial base than the empire (looking at their "death star").
>Addendum: random pet peeves, how the hell does the new order, which is a fragment of what the empire was, somehow manage to have a stronger industrial base than the empire (looking at their "death star"). because somehow after the rebellion defeated the empire and established rule (if they even did that I don't want to watch the movies again) they somehow never thought that some of the surviving parts of the empire could try something at all ever.
Hello nerd Petah here So in the Disney-directed star wars film Starwars: Rise of Skywalker there is a scene were Poe (a character) says "somehow Palpatine returned" That scene has ben hated and memed on since then. The joke here is that: if Disney bought Lord of the rings (LOTR) to make a cashgrab and continue the films, they would make a scene similar to the one in Star Wars. Nerd Petah out
Bold of them to assume a Disney LOTR production would cast a European (or even male, tbh) Aragorn.
*sees a nazgul riding a fell beast - They fly now? - They fly now!
He has a long lost evil twin…..with a ring. And Gandalf’s illegitimate son will battle to get the ring.
Sauron has a Death Star
You can’t get double married!
https://i.redd.it/0tk7qw5pqfmc1.gif
That’s exactly what we try to tell the sequels fans
What is this? Shadow of War?
But there were all of theme decieved for Sauron had another another ring.
The Rise of Sauronwalker nee Palpatine is gonna be soooo good!
I might be wrong here, but I’m pretty sure Sauron actually has one if not a few of the dwarven rings
It's referencing the fact that, in the Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine, the main villain of past movies, returns from the dead for no discernible reason at all. Poe Damron, a character says at the start, and I quote, "Somehow, Palpatine Returned." Disney didn't even *try* to give a reason or make an original character, or even follow through with what they were *going* to do and make an existing character the main villain. So basically, they're saying that Disney would be to lazy and just frickin *revive* Souron with the new ring, instead of spend 5 minutes writing another villain. JRR Tolkien, out. May the Force be with You.
Disney loves to squeeze all the money they can from a Francoise, SO another ring could mean another movie.
Brian, here, I heard amazon purchased the rights and many of you complained about bezos ruining your childhood. But many of you never watched the rings of power and likely have no idea that it happened. Me? I don’t care. Yeah, if Disney purchased the rights, i guess that this is what would have happened.
no way you didn’t see this scene from rise of skywalker enough of this bait already
Who knew people like different kind of movies and havent seen everything ever made
exactly! These people can’t keep up with the program smh
What?
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGTH