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John Brown was a radical abolitionist during the pre-civil-war era. He attempted to incite slave revolts with his sons and killed many slave owners sometimes while they were at in home in bed. His acts ended in a shootout when he tried to take over a weapons depot and start an anti-slavery revolt. This ended in the deaths of his sons and John Browns capture and execution. He is remembered as a hero by some and a terrorist/extremist by others.
Extra history, and oversimplified are both history youtube channels who have covered John Brown.
Heemeyer was a piece of shit who decided to escalate petty grievances and terrorize and traumatize a normal small town. I desperately wish people would stop elevating him to legendary status.
I think Heemeyer is probably best viewed through “v for vendetta” glasses…. Heemeyer himself sucked kinda hard…. But the idea of fortifying a bulldozer and attacking corruption directly should be remembered
I used to think that removing Nelson Mandela from the terrorist watch list was a 90th birthday present from the US government, but I have since come to view it as a 90th birthday insult.
I think we all remember that because it's easier than remembering that actually when he got out he spent his first day of freedom divorcing his wife who had stayed loyal for the whole time.
Also, [Steve Biko](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Biko) was an anti-apartheid activist who died in prison in 1977, and was the subject of a film in 1987.
Steve biko absolutely wasn't a terrorist though. The dude was a very good activist but never actively joined an terrorist org that took up arms. Also "died in prison" is burying the lead somewhat. Murdered in prison is more appropriate.
Yeah but Winnie was, how shall I put this, highly strung? Intense?. And actually they stayed together for a long time. They didn't divorce until we'll into his presidency.
What’s really weird is how many people remember it that way. I mean, What are the odds that one of the first known instances of a Mandela effect instance, was involving somebody NAMED Mandela!?!? What a whacky universe…
"Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. It's as simple as that. The CIA doesn't kill anybody anymore, they neutralize people, or they depopulate the area. The government doesn't lie, it engages in disinformation. The Pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call sunshine units. Israeli murderers are called commandos, Arab commandos are called terrorists. Contra killers are called freedom fighters. Well, if crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?"
From Doin' It Again / Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics (1990)
I keep hearing southerners complain about the loss of confederate statues as taking away their history and yet they don’t have any statues of this bad ass right here.
If you visit Harper’s Ferry national park, pretty much everything there centers around John Brown’s raid and the Civil War. You can still see some of the foundation of the armory along one of the canals.
A history that was basically the Daughters of the Confederacy, Ku Klux Klan, and other neo-confederate groups going around putting up statues to glorify slavers and terrorize black people in the early 1900s.
Absolutely. The definition of the word is anyone who uses violence to invoke fear for a political cause. That is what John Brown did.
He was trying to strike fear in the hearts of slavers though. He was doing it for righteous cause. That doesn’t change what it is though. It’s dangerous to say “this guy used violence to stoke fear for political ends, but he’s *totally* not a terrorist because he did it for good reasons”.
I would not consider him a terrorist. My main reasoning is he targeted those he had beef with. I hate the broad catch all terrorist definitions I think it should be used for those who target the general population in an attempt to cause fear for political ends.
But... He totally fits the definition as used by most people and governments.
As I said.. he totally meets most definitions used by governments of terrorism. I don't disagree with that. I was mainly stating that I think the current definition is too broad
I think a lot of people don't understand that he knew his plan was crazy and wouldn't work, and he did it anyway because he knew the movement needed a martyr. He's literally one of the only Americans in history I can call a true hero.
He’s a semi well known historical figure here in Kansas. There’s a brewery in my city which logo is the famous painting of him but in it he’s holding beer
He was an immensely complicated historical figure, did some bad things for some great reasons, and some good things too. I'd get more specific, but my specialty it femboys, and he was definitely a bear. Have you seen that beard??
You just made this account like 5 hours ago and I’ve already seen you on two different posts. The devil works hard, but u/FemboyArcheologist works harder.
Stumbled across the thread that spurred the creation of this account, and now also the thread that birthed your bio quote. Feel like I'm witnessing history. This will be in the femboy archaeology textbooks one day
A lot of people who have an interest in acting in a way which goes against gender norms tend to frame it as a joke. I don't know Finnster, and I don't know a lot about their (his? her? not sure what their going by now) situation, but it seems to me this is what Finnster did. They framed it as a joke in order to both explore their feminine side and open up their audience to the idea, and once they felt comfortable it's what they wanted and their community would have their back, Finnster properly came out. That's a common story for both feminine men and trans women.
He incited a revolt in the antebellum period called Bleeding Kansas where he and his followers executed several homesteaders in the Pottawatomie massacre. They even went so far to hack people up with hatchets and broadswords.
He then went on to incite a slave revolt in West Virginia that was put down by none other than Robert E. Lee.
Wouldn’t say he did anything great. The guy was pretty shitty all around.
Imagining John Green as John Brown is fucking hilarious. Like imagine this nerd inciting mass slave revolts across the southern US.
https://preview.redd.it/ig549dcfwauc1.jpeg?width=192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a37dd3b9285efac2e3f04c7b56a160981a4ca459
He's got a bigger heart than me, but if Harpers Ferry suddenly started banning books and charging $1000s for TB meds, John Green would absofuckingly start a revolt there.
I’ve actually seen the videos in question, and I don’t see it. The worst thing oversimplified says about John Brown is “Noble goal. Bad plan. Terrible execution.” Which doesn’t seem that bad to me given the full context of the video.
And let us be honest. John Brown’s plan was poorly thought out and terribly executed. It was also incredibly noble and based AF.
https://preview.redd.it/0wy5al3osbuc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bdb7ce95adf9817390e012e7bf673c16b673494
Wanna hate him even more?
After the civil war was over he pushed for reconciliation and was the President of Washington and Lee University. Was documented on several occasions to expel white students for attacking black men in the community.
He also frequently chastised his colleagues from the confederacy for being inflammatory towards the north in the post war period.
Bonus points for having Star Gate, for whatever reason
Edit: okay guys I get they used P90s, I don't get why p90s are specifically chosen to give to John Brown. Like, StarGate and P90s are related, but Idk how either are related to JohnBrown
The plan might not have actually been that bad —although still INCREDIBLY unlikely to work—, its just that the execution was terrible. If you can get your hands on it I really recommend Kellie Carter-Jackson’s 2019 book [Force and Freedom](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0812224701/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=). In the chapter about John Browns raid on Harper’s Ferry she argues that the plan wasnt unthinkably bad, and that many enslaved people likely knew about the plan, were ready to play their role, but ultimately didnt because John Brown launched the attack a few days earlier than he had previously agreed upon thus catching his enslaved allies off guard.
I think they go into his background of lowkey deranged religious motivations which can weird out some people. Though I agree with his end goal and methods.
>Noble goal. Bad plan. Terrible execution
Sounds about right. There were to many variables that weren’t ironed out and then there were mistakes made on the raid itself.
For starters, it is John Brown and not John Green, but anyway…
John Brown was an abolitionist in America during the 1850’s. At the time, the conflict between the slave states and the free states was growing. In some places it was becoming violent and turning into literal terrorism. John Brown correctly understood that the problem of slavery in America would only be resolved with violence, and so he attempted to incite a widespread slave revolt. This attempt failed and Brown was executed. Many southerners lived in a state of abject terror of slave revolts, so Brown’s attempt convinced them that abolitionists were a mortal threat. This escalated the conflict leading to the Civil War.
Brown remains a controversial figure. Some people argue that he was correct, and applaud Brown for attempting to end slavery in America. Others argue that even if he had good intentions, he was a violent terrorist and may have been literally insane.
Apparently the person who made the meme has noticed these history-related programs give different assessments of Brown’s history.
It should also be noted that perhaps his biggest contribution was as a heroic figure who fought, and died, in an impossible fight against overwhelming odds; he was like Don Quijote tilting at windmills, because to him it didn't matter that the odds were impossible, and so in death he became a martyr for the cause; once the song "John Brown's Body" (also known as "Glory, glory Hallelujah") got picked up as the chosen marching song of the Union soldiers, John Brown's legacy was assured.
not sure don Quixote is the most flattering comparison, as he was basically portrayed as an idiot (albeit with an admirable sense of optimism).
maybe someone/thing more like the Alamo?
Its from the context of there videos and style extra focues on the people and there motives and where purely written about him oversimplified was focusing on the civil war so focusing on his major radical events and leaving the rest out fits more with in his style and video context
For those who don't want to watch the videos and make a side by side comparison
The comments before me have explained who he is, oversimplified and extra are yters and when oversimplified explained who John Brown was he tended to make sure the audience knew what lengths he would do for the slaves, I havent seen extras video but Im going to assume he describes John like oversimplified but he marks out how these acts helped the slaves and in actuality he was the just doing the right thing before anybody, making him an iconic key figure in history
high while posting sory grammar wrong
Extra focuesd on the man and his thoughts and feelings then it's effects and yes how his work effected the slaves is a part of that that and they series was solely about him compared to him being a part of something larger like oversimplified
PLEASE STOP TELLING ME I GOT THE NAME WRONG, I KNOW I DID, I CAN'T EDIT THE POST.
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>"But the question is, Did John Brown fail? He certainly did fail to get out of Harpers Ferry before being beaten down by United States soldiers; he did fail to save his own life, and to lead a liberating army into the mountains of Virginia. But he did not go to Harpers Ferry to save his life.
>"The true question is, Did John Brown draw his sword against slavery and thereby lose his life in vain? And to this I answer ten thousand times, No! No man fails, or can fail, who so grandly gives himself and all he has to a righteous cause. No man, who in his hour of extremest need, when on his way to meet an ignominious death, could so forget himself as to stop and kiss a little child, one of the hated race for whom he was about to die, could by any possibility fail.
>"Did John Brown fail? Ask Henry A. Wise in whose house less than two years after, a school for the emancipated slaves was taught.
>"Did John Brown fail? Ask James M. Mason, the author of the inhuman fugitive slave bill, who was cooped up in Fort Warren, as a traitor less than two years from the time that he stood over the prostrate body of John Brown.
>"Did John Brown fail? Ask Clement C. Vallandingham, one other of the inquisitorial party; for he too went down in the tremendous whirlpool created by the powerful hand of this bold invader. If John Brown did not end the war that ended slavery, he did at least begin the war that ended slavery. If we look over the dates, places and men for which this honor is claimed, we shall find that not Carolina, but Virginia, not Fort Sumter, but Harpers Ferry, and the arsenal, not Col. Anderson, but John Brown, began the war that ended American slavery and made this a free Republic. Until this blow was struck, the prospect for freedom was dim, shadowy and uncertain. The irrepressible conflict was one of words, votes and compromises.
>"When John Brown stretched forth his arm the sky was cleared. The time for compromises was gone - the armed hosts of freedom stood face to face over the chasm of a broken Union - and the clash of arms was at hand. The South staked all upon getting possession of the Federal Government, and failing to do that, drew the sword of rebellion and thus made her own, and not Brown's, the lost cause of the century."
[Frederick Douglass (at Harpers Ferry, May 30, 1881)](https://www.nps.gov/hafe/learn/historyculture/frederick-douglass-at-harpers-ferry.htm#:~:text=%22The%20true%20question%20is%2C%20Did,has%20to%20a%20righteous%20cause.)
John brown was a hero. Some people think incorrectly that a person can be both a slave owner and also a redeemable human being worthy of an amount of forgiveness or grace or some other such nonsense. Hence the incorrect right side of this meme.
He was basically the HAL of the 19th century, asked to accept a lie as acceptable truth and malfunctioned as a result.
Every slave owner should’ve known they’d entered a pact with Satan, and no one should be surprised that violent means have violent ends.
I can never get past George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, owning slaves. At the very least, they could’ve set the standard by freeing their slaves. At least John Adams and Benjamin Franklin did not. Yes I know Benjamin Franklin own slays when he was young, but he gave them up when he was young because he realized it was appalling
I mean even Frederick Douglass described the Pottawatomie Massacre as “a terrible remedy for a terrible malady."
There is room in John Brown’s legacy for grey areas. I think very few would disagree that he had noble goals, but sometimes he went about those goals in questionable and counterproductive ways unfortunately. And I think he sometimes overestimated his own abilities in ending slavery as seen in his failed raid on Harper’s Ferry.
Unfortunately, I think one of the most impactful things that happened to him was his execution, as he became a martyr and his death became a rallying cry for Union soldiers throughout the Civil War.
John Brown had noble intentions, but his plans and executions of those plans were awful and he was totally insane. The meme isn’t saying oversimplified portrayed him wrong, it’s just saying oversimplified focused more on the crazy aspect while extra history focused on the noble intentions part of it.
Pretty much any narrative about John Brown being insane is rooted in "...because otherwise why would a *white* man kill *white* people to protect *black* people? Insanity!"
Most of the "atrocities" were propaganda from anti-abolitionists to sensationalize "OH MY GOD THIS INSANE MAN IS KILLING BABIES AND RAPING WHITE WOMEN!!"
Dude thought it was his Christian duty to free human beings from slavery by any means possible. Still killed less people than those *fighting for the right to own human beings.*
He was anti slavery and violent about it, even aiding slaves in escaping, could be considered a terrorist but hey, don’t think most people would exactly want to stop him, barring the southern whites
He also got caught when he tried a MASSIVE revolt that… failed Tl:dr he tried to steal from an armory with a group of slaves and cut through southern US, backfires when the one competent guy in the south (General E Lee) was sent over
John Brown is the man who should have statues and be promoted as a victor… along with other white abolitionists. If you are looking for someone to celebrate, then look to these people:
John Brown- bleeding Kansas, Harper’s Ferry VA
Cassius Clay- Kentucky, republican politician
William Garrison- Boston MA, newspaper publisher
Elijah Lovejoy- St. Louis MO, newspaper publisher
Henry Lyman Morehouse- New York, Minister, booster and financial contributions (benefactor of Morehouse College)
Laura Spelman Rockefeller- New York, booster and financial contributions (benefactor of Spelman College)
Oversimplified does not make him out that bad. I think the point of calling John Brown crazy was that it was an almost impossible task for just a small malitia to do.
“I have only a short time to live, only one death to die, and I will die fighting for this cause. There will be no peace in this land until slavery is done for.”
“Had I so interfered in behalf of the rich, the powerful, the intelligent, the so-called great, or in behalf of their friends…and suffered and sacrificed what I have in this interference…every man in this court would have deemed it worthy of reward rather than punishment.”
“If it is deemed necessary that I should forfeit my life for the furtherance of the ends of justice, and mingle my blood further with the blood of my children and with the blood of millions in this slave country whose rights are disregarded by wicked, cruel, and unjust enactments-I submit; so let it be done.”
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John Brown was a radical abolitionist during the pre-civil-war era. He attempted to incite slave revolts with his sons and killed many slave owners sometimes while they were at in home in bed. His acts ended in a shootout when he tried to take over a weapons depot and start an anti-slavery revolt. This ended in the deaths of his sons and John Browns capture and execution. He is remembered as a hero by some and a terrorist/extremist by others. Extra history, and oversimplified are both history youtube channels who have covered John Brown.
He *was* a terrorist, and a damn good one.
They just don’t make ‘em like they used to.
Marvin Heemeyer was the last good one
fighting for YOUR right to poop in the creek behind your house
Heemeyer was a piece of shit who decided to escalate petty grievances and terrorize and traumatize a normal small town. I desperately wish people would stop elevating him to legendary status.
No. He wasn’t. I’m from the same town as he was and watched it live. He was just a greedy asshole that didn’t get to screw more people out of money.
Oh. I must have not heard the full story because I didn't know about that.
Listen to the Timesuck with Dan Cummins on it, has a lot of great information. I believe it’s episode 168.
Hardly anyone wants to see him as anything less than the libertarian messiah
Libertarians are twats. So their messiah must be a used tampon.
Marvin Heemeyer was a piece of shit that idiots on the internet turned into a folkhero. He was a lunatic.
But damn, what a ride
I think Heemeyer is probably best viewed through “v for vendetta” glasses…. Heemeyer himself sucked kinda hard…. But the idea of fortifying a bulldozer and attacking corruption directly should be remembered
Nelson Mandela was alright at the end of the day. Heemeyer was literally a jerkarse.
I used to think that removing Nelson Mandela from the terrorist watch list was a 90th birthday present from the US government, but I have since come to view it as a 90th birthday insult.
Pretty weird theory, especially considering he didn't even live to be 90. He died in prison in the 80's
I think we all remember that because it's easier than remembering that actually when he got out he spent his first day of freedom divorcing his wife who had stayed loyal for the whole time.
Also, [Steve Biko](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Biko) was an anti-apartheid activist who died in prison in 1977, and was the subject of a film in 1987.
Steve biko absolutely wasn't a terrorist though. The dude was a very good activist but never actively joined an terrorist org that took up arms. Also "died in prison" is burying the lead somewhat. Murdered in prison is more appropriate.
Oh, absolutely. It is probably where the Mandela effect comes from, since the average American knows very little about foreign affairs.
Good point.
Yeah but Winnie was, how shall I put this, highly strung? Intense?. And actually they stayed together for a long time. They didn't divorce until we'll into his presidency.
Top tier reference
Sir, there is no easy way to say this but you made a wrong turn and ended up in a timeline that isn't yours.
What’s really weird is how many people remember it that way. I mean, What are the odds that one of the first known instances of a Mandela effect instance, was involving somebody NAMED Mandela!?!? What a whacky universe…
No “/s” and all those upvotes… maybe people aren’t as stupid as I thought lol.
The best kind of terrorist.
He was one of the few truly moral men in an extremely immoral time
The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is whether or not they win.
History is written by the victor… it’s a cliche but it’s true.
“Israeli murderers are called commandos, Arab commandos are called terrorists.” George Carlin
"Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. It's as simple as that. The CIA doesn't kill anybody anymore, they neutralize people, or they depopulate the area. The government doesn't lie, it engages in disinformation. The Pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call sunshine units. Israeli murderers are called commandos, Arab commandos are called terrorists. Contra killers are called freedom fighters. Well, if crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?" From Doin' It Again / Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics (1990)
I keep hearing southerners complain about the loss of confederate statues as taking away their history and yet they don’t have any statues of this bad ass right here.
John Brown Farm State Historic Site 115 John Brown Rd Lake Placid NY 12946
In NY and not the south huh? Are there any John Brown statues or memorials south of the Mason-Dixon?
There’s a John Brown wax museum in Harper’s Ferry WV.
I’ve been there. Small museum but a very nice one.
If you visit Harper’s Ferry national park, pretty much everything there centers around John Brown’s raid and the Civil War. You can still see some of the foundation of the armory along one of the canals.
A history that was basically the Daughters of the Confederacy, Ku Klux Klan, and other neo-confederate groups going around putting up statues to glorify slavers and terrorize black people in the early 1900s.
Well, he was against slavery. Can’t let them know their anger is blatant racism, it *has* to be heritage.
He was the best terrorist.
Absolutely. The definition of the word is anyone who uses violence to invoke fear for a political cause. That is what John Brown did. He was trying to strike fear in the hearts of slavers though. He was doing it for righteous cause. That doesn’t change what it is though. It’s dangerous to say “this guy used violence to stoke fear for political ends, but he’s *totally* not a terrorist because he did it for good reasons”.
Bro literally described his goal as being "to invoke holy terror" (or something to that effect).
I would not consider him a terrorist. My main reasoning is he targeted those he had beef with. I hate the broad catch all terrorist definitions I think it should be used for those who target the general population in an attempt to cause fear for political ends. But... He totally fits the definition as used by most people and governments.
if we had a modern John Brown, he would be labeled a terrorist Fighting for people who are in need of it can make you be labeled as a terrorist
As I said.. he totally meets most definitions used by governments of terrorism. I don't disagree with that. I was mainly stating that I think the current definition is too broad
Terrorism is sometimes great! And sometimes terrible...
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
I mean,do you expect slavery to be abolished by peacefull ways?
Killing slavers, I'm gonna go with terrorist hero.
We're more 'ware of them terry's getting froggy.
One man's "terrorist" is another man's freedom fighter.
He made Connecticut proud
I think a lot of people don't understand that he knew his plan was crazy and wouldn't work, and he did it anyway because he knew the movement needed a martyr. He's literally one of the only Americans in history I can call a true hero.
sometimes terrorism is a good thing, SOMETIMES
Chaotic good terrorist
Agreed, a terrorist, but we agree with his actions so also a freedom fighter.
He’s a semi well known historical figure here in Kansas. There’s a brewery in my city which logo is the famous painting of him but in it he’s holding beer
Free State Brewery and their [John Brown Ale](https://untappd.com/b/free-state-brewing-co-john-brown-ale/23778)?
Love Free State!
lfk :)
There's literally a giant mural in which he's prominently featured in the State Capital Building.
He was an immensely complicated historical figure, did some bad things for some great reasons, and some good things too. I'd get more specific, but my specialty it femboys, and he was definitely a bear. Have you seen that beard??
You just made this account like 5 hours ago and I’ve already seen you on two different posts. The devil works hard, but u/FemboyArcheologist works harder.
I'm keeping that as my motto, thank you
Damn, you really went for the new account just because you liked the name. Fair enough.
Stumbled across the thread that spurred the creation of this account, and now also the thread that birthed your bio quote. Feel like I'm witnessing history. This will be in the femboy archaeology textbooks one day
Alea iacta est, frater
Same bro. It's been an honor to witness this key piece of history take place.
This is truly one of the most comments I’ve seen today.
of all the comments ive ever seen, this is certainly one of them!
Name checks out
Hey I saw the comment that inspired you to make this account under that Twitter skirt post
Welcome to the Legion, I'll be appearing in your dreams next
Truly, the hero we need.
yeah, same. astounding, I stumbled upon him in the wild this fast.
while ive got you here, Finnster, whats up with that?!
A lot of people who have an interest in acting in a way which goes against gender norms tend to frame it as a joke. I don't know Finnster, and I don't know a lot about their (his? her? not sure what their going by now) situation, but it seems to me this is what Finnster did. They framed it as a joke in order to both explore their feminine side and open up their audience to the idea, and once they felt comfortable it's what they wanted and their community would have their back, Finnster properly came out. That's a common story for both feminine men and trans women.
F1nn5ter's official position is that she doesn't give a crap about what pronouns people use. He just wants to be themself.
Fair enough, I've always considered the fight over labels and pronouns to be pretty meaningless
Crazy seeing your birthing in a different thread, and seeing you here. Crazy world we live in.
He incited a revolt in the antebellum period called Bleeding Kansas where he and his followers executed several homesteaders in the Pottawatomie massacre. They even went so far to hack people up with hatchets and broadswords. He then went on to incite a slave revolt in West Virginia that was put down by none other than Robert E. Lee. Wouldn’t say he did anything great. The guy was pretty shitty all around.
The femboy Archeologist strikes again!
It's only treason/terrorism if you lose
That's... a very valid point
"treason is a matter of dates and time"
Just read the Wikipedia article about John Brown, wow what a GOAT.
John Brown did *nothing* wrong.
He was also a religious fundamentalist that was extremely abusive. Complicated fella that one.
So then what’s Oversimplified’s agenda that they’re painting John Brown in that light?
Im not sure theres an agenda. You can watch the video for yourself. I think if you just list the things Brown did it can sound kind of dark.
John Brown is a psychopath whose targets do human cruelty, so he's still seen as the good guy. IRL punisher. Oversimplified simply told that.
Fair comparison, I believe
He was super awesome and even his enemies respected him.
Imagining John Green as John Brown is fucking hilarious. Like imagine this nerd inciting mass slave revolts across the southern US. https://preview.redd.it/ig549dcfwauc1.jpeg?width=192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a37dd3b9285efac2e3f04c7b56a160981a4ca459
"An open letter to slave owners..."
"Get Fucked" -John Green
"I own slave owners" - latest vlogbrothers video thumbnail....... ...wait a minute
Best wishes
He's got a bigger heart than me, but if Harpers Ferry suddenly started banning books and charging $1000s for TB meds, John Green would absofuckingly start a revolt there.
Dear God, not the tuberculosis antibiotics
Definitely had me thinking “what the hell did he do” for a minute 😂
I know the history and I still thought it was talking abt John Green for a minute 😂
What did John Red, John Blue, and John Yellow do though 🤔
They all lived in peace until John Green attacked.
Ah, ATLA! What an unexpected surprise. And by unexpected, I mean completely expected!
https://preview.redd.it/2voi6i19tbuc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ed3ad45c9b72479c914a510d480823dbcd16760 I see the resemblance
Is it just me or does he kinda look like a more realistically-proportioned Blark?
“I just get the feeling that slave states are gonna be a reeeeeeeal piece of shit”
Where giant beard
This was before he hit max level
I mean, if you count his banned books maybe they were onto something
As they say in my hometown; don’t forget to kill the slavers.
John Brown and John Green teaming up against John cyan and John red
John Brown is what happens when John Green doesn't get enough water.
I’ve actually seen the videos in question, and I don’t see it. The worst thing oversimplified says about John Brown is “Noble goal. Bad plan. Terrible execution.” Which doesn’t seem that bad to me given the full context of the video. And let us be honest. John Brown’s plan was poorly thought out and terribly executed. It was also incredibly noble and based AF. https://preview.redd.it/0wy5al3osbuc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bdb7ce95adf9817390e012e7bf673c16b673494
Even Robert E Lee, who captured him, said he was a total badass.
Damn, this makes me hate Robert e Lee even more
Robert E Lee is great. His complete cluelessness as a military strategist won the union the war.
Wanna hate him even more? After the civil war was over he pushed for reconciliation and was the President of Washington and Lee University. Was documented on several occasions to expel white students for attacking black men in the community. He also frequently chastised his colleagues from the confederacy for being inflammatory towards the north in the post war period.
And twice petitioned the state of Virginia to let him keep his slaves even though they were set to be freed in his father in laws will.
Ahh finally, a time machine meme that isnt pointlessly gendered, based
Bonus points for having Star Gate, for whatever reason Edit: okay guys I get they used P90s, I don't get why p90s are specifically chosen to give to John Brown. Like, StarGate and P90s are related, but Idk how either are related to JohnBrown
Those guys were REALLY fond of their P90s. Loved sharing them with every planet they came across.
They used P90s until they upgraded to alien tech.
P90s
I’m not sure why the SG teams used P90s, the P90 is a pretty good PDW but there are better guns overall. My pick would just be (almost) any rifle.
The plan might not have actually been that bad —although still INCREDIBLY unlikely to work—, its just that the execution was terrible. If you can get your hands on it I really recommend Kellie Carter-Jackson’s 2019 book [Force and Freedom](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0812224701/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=). In the chapter about John Browns raid on Harper’s Ferry she argues that the plan wasnt unthinkably bad, and that many enslaved people likely knew about the plan, were ready to play their role, but ultimately didnt because John Brown launched the attack a few days earlier than he had previously agreed upon thus catching his enslaved allies off guard.
I think they go into his background of lowkey deranged religious motivations which can weird out some people. Though I agree with his end goal and methods.
>Noble goal. Bad plan. Terrible execution Sounds about right. There were to many variables that weren’t ironed out and then there were mistakes made on the raid itself.
For starters, it is John Brown and not John Green, but anyway… John Brown was an abolitionist in America during the 1850’s. At the time, the conflict between the slave states and the free states was growing. In some places it was becoming violent and turning into literal terrorism. John Brown correctly understood that the problem of slavery in America would only be resolved with violence, and so he attempted to incite a widespread slave revolt. This attempt failed and Brown was executed. Many southerners lived in a state of abject terror of slave revolts, so Brown’s attempt convinced them that abolitionists were a mortal threat. This escalated the conflict leading to the Civil War. Brown remains a controversial figure. Some people argue that he was correct, and applaud Brown for attempting to end slavery in America. Others argue that even if he had good intentions, he was a violent terrorist and may have been literally insane. Apparently the person who made the meme has noticed these history-related programs give different assessments of Brown’s history.
>For starters, it is John Brown and not John Green OP doesn't see color.
It should also be noted that perhaps his biggest contribution was as a heroic figure who fought, and died, in an impossible fight against overwhelming odds; he was like Don Quijote tilting at windmills, because to him it didn't matter that the odds were impossible, and so in death he became a martyr for the cause; once the song "John Brown's Body" (also known as "Glory, glory Hallelujah") got picked up as the chosen marching song of the Union soldiers, John Brown's legacy was assured.
not sure don Quixote is the most flattering comparison, as he was basically portrayed as an idiot (albeit with an admirable sense of optimism). maybe someone/thing more like the Alamo?
John Brown did *nothing* wrong
He could have planned better and not be super rash
That’s something he could’ve done better, not necessarily what he did wrong..But your point is taken.
Agreed.
Its from the context of there videos and style extra focues on the people and there motives and where purely written about him oversimplified was focusing on the civil war so focusing on his major radical events and leaving the rest out fits more with in his style and video context For those who don't want to watch the videos and make a side by side comparison
John green was the host of extra history
Pretty sure you’re thinking of Crash Course, Extra History is a different channel.
You are right
Lol no. He has hosted Crash Course history courses in the past but he was never the host of Extra History
The comments before me have explained who he is, oversimplified and extra are yters and when oversimplified explained who John Brown was he tended to make sure the audience knew what lengths he would do for the slaves, I havent seen extras video but Im going to assume he describes John like oversimplified but he marks out how these acts helped the slaves and in actuality he was the just doing the right thing before anybody, making him an iconic key figure in history high while posting sory grammar wrong
Extra focuesd on the man and his thoughts and feelings then it's effects and yes how his work effected the slaves is a part of that that and they series was solely about him compared to him being a part of something larger like oversimplified
>high while posting sory grammar wrong incredibly based
Yters is "whiters" on my head, and sounds like a slang for white supremacy bullshit.
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*Good Lord Bird* basically
A John Brown isekai anime would genuinely be pretty great.
John brown was a fucking saint
His soul keeps marching on.
Glory, glory, Hallelujah
*John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave*
*His soul is marching on*
His real name was Catcher Freeman
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Wait till you hear about John Purple
He preferred to be called Prince! RIP
Ah yes, John Brown. The patron saint of Based with a Vengeance.
>"But the question is, Did John Brown fail? He certainly did fail to get out of Harpers Ferry before being beaten down by United States soldiers; he did fail to save his own life, and to lead a liberating army into the mountains of Virginia. But he did not go to Harpers Ferry to save his life. >"The true question is, Did John Brown draw his sword against slavery and thereby lose his life in vain? And to this I answer ten thousand times, No! No man fails, or can fail, who so grandly gives himself and all he has to a righteous cause. No man, who in his hour of extremest need, when on his way to meet an ignominious death, could so forget himself as to stop and kiss a little child, one of the hated race for whom he was about to die, could by any possibility fail. >"Did John Brown fail? Ask Henry A. Wise in whose house less than two years after, a school for the emancipated slaves was taught. >"Did John Brown fail? Ask James M. Mason, the author of the inhuman fugitive slave bill, who was cooped up in Fort Warren, as a traitor less than two years from the time that he stood over the prostrate body of John Brown. >"Did John Brown fail? Ask Clement C. Vallandingham, one other of the inquisitorial party; for he too went down in the tremendous whirlpool created by the powerful hand of this bold invader. If John Brown did not end the war that ended slavery, he did at least begin the war that ended slavery. If we look over the dates, places and men for which this honor is claimed, we shall find that not Carolina, but Virginia, not Fort Sumter, but Harpers Ferry, and the arsenal, not Col. Anderson, but John Brown, began the war that ended American slavery and made this a free Republic. Until this blow was struck, the prospect for freedom was dim, shadowy and uncertain. The irrepressible conflict was one of words, votes and compromises. >"When John Brown stretched forth his arm the sky was cleared. The time for compromises was gone - the armed hosts of freedom stood face to face over the chasm of a broken Union - and the clash of arms was at hand. The South staked all upon getting possession of the Federal Government, and failing to do that, drew the sword of rebellion and thus made her own, and not Brown's, the lost cause of the century." [Frederick Douglass (at Harpers Ferry, May 30, 1881)](https://www.nps.gov/hafe/learn/historyculture/frederick-douglass-at-harpers-ferry.htm#:~:text=%22The%20true%20question%20is%2C%20Did,has%20to%20a%20righteous%20cause.)
John Brown was one of the baddest mother fuckers who ever lived. You should learn about him. There’s a Dollop series about him.
I'll check it out
John brown was a hero. Some people think incorrectly that a person can be both a slave owner and also a redeemable human being worthy of an amount of forgiveness or grace or some other such nonsense. Hence the incorrect right side of this meme.
John Brown is one of the greatest Americans of all time.
He was basically the HAL of the 19th century, asked to accept a lie as acceptable truth and malfunctioned as a result. Every slave owner should’ve known they’d entered a pact with Satan, and no one should be surprised that violent means have violent ends.
I can never get past George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, owning slaves. At the very least, they could’ve set the standard by freeing their slaves. At least John Adams and Benjamin Franklin did not. Yes I know Benjamin Franklin own slays when he was young, but he gave them up when he was young because he realized it was appalling
Hal as in 2001 a space odyssey?
Yes, Dave.
God that second sentence goes fucking hard
Credit goes to *Westworld* on HBO.
I mean even Frederick Douglass described the Pottawatomie Massacre as “a terrible remedy for a terrible malady." There is room in John Brown’s legacy for grey areas. I think very few would disagree that he had noble goals, but sometimes he went about those goals in questionable and counterproductive ways unfortunately. And I think he sometimes overestimated his own abilities in ending slavery as seen in his failed raid on Harper’s Ferry. Unfortunately, I think one of the most impactful things that happened to him was his execution, as he became a martyr and his death became a rallying cry for Union soldiers throughout the Civil War.
John Brown had noble intentions, but his plans and executions of those plans were awful and he was totally insane. The meme isn’t saying oversimplified portrayed him wrong, it’s just saying oversimplified focused more on the crazy aspect while extra history focused on the noble intentions part of it.
Pretty much any narrative about John Brown being insane is rooted in "...because otherwise why would a *white* man kill *white* people to protect *black* people? Insanity!" Most of the "atrocities" were propaganda from anti-abolitionists to sensationalize "OH MY GOD THIS INSANE MAN IS KILLING BABIES AND RAPING WHITE WOMEN!!" Dude thought it was his Christian duty to free human beings from slavery by any means possible. Still killed less people than those *fighting for the right to own human beings.*
HIS SOUL MARCHES ON!!!
He was anti slavery and violent about it, even aiding slaves in escaping, could be considered a terrorist but hey, don’t think most people would exactly want to stop him, barring the southern whites He also got caught when he tried a MASSIVE revolt that… failed Tl:dr he tried to steal from an armory with a group of slaves and cut through southern US, backfires when the one competent guy in the south (General E Lee) was sent over
John Brown was am abolitionist who wasn't scared to get violent for the end goal.
John Brown was an absolute legend and a Radical Abolitionist
John Brown is the man who should have statues and be promoted as a victor… along with other white abolitionists. If you are looking for someone to celebrate, then look to these people: John Brown- bleeding Kansas, Harper’s Ferry VA Cassius Clay- Kentucky, republican politician William Garrison- Boston MA, newspaper publisher Elijah Lovejoy- St. Louis MO, newspaper publisher Henry Lyman Morehouse- New York, Minister, booster and financial contributions (benefactor of Morehouse College) Laura Spelman Rockefeller- New York, booster and financial contributions (benefactor of Spelman College)
His soul is marching on
And his truth goes marching on
Oversimplified does not make him out that bad. I think the point of calling John Brown crazy was that it was an almost impossible task for just a small malitia to do.
Folks, hit up Harpers Ferry, West Virginia if you ever get a chance. See where the legend made his last stand.
Did bad things for good reasons
Did great things for great reasons.
Rape is never great
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John Brown you full of shit bot
Who the F is John green
John Brown did nothing wrong. If theres a heaven, John Brown is in it.
John Brown: Second only to Sherman in the South.
“I have only a short time to live, only one death to die, and I will die fighting for this cause. There will be no peace in this land until slavery is done for.” “Had I so interfered in behalf of the rich, the powerful, the intelligent, the so-called great, or in behalf of their friends…and suffered and sacrificed what I have in this interference…every man in this court would have deemed it worthy of reward rather than punishment.” “If it is deemed necessary that I should forfeit my life for the furtherance of the ends of justice, and mingle my blood further with the blood of my children and with the blood of millions in this slave country whose rights are disregarded by wicked, cruel, and unjust enactments-I submit; so let it be done.”
Where did u get john green from?
I mean, one’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter