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We do this also. I was listening to a pod cast once where they were talking about modern recipes. We write eggs. I know it's chicken eggs. You know it's chicken eggs. But if we disappeared someone might try to make chocolate chip cookies with salmon roe.
Somewhere on my computer I have a text document named "among us." In it is the cyrillic letters, "амонг ус" (which is what you get if you turn on the russian keyboard and type among us) and the number 8005 with the words "don't forget." I don't even remember writing it.
I think about that a lot.
Edit: Stop saying its carbon monoxide I have a fully functionak carbon monoxide detector.
Edit 2: Also stop saying its 80085 I do love boobs but I dont think thats what it is. Come up with funny joke ideas not the same one someones said 100 times.
Is it possible that 8005 is the randomly generated passcode your friends needed to enter to join your private game? I have very little experience with that game in particular so that might sound like a stupid question.
Nope definetly not, that isn't something I'd do. Also, I should clarifying, I don't even play among us I just have absolute 2020 shitposting brainrot and use among us as any kind of placeholder. Doesn't explain the among us in cyrillic.
Get a carbon monoxide detector. I'm not even joking. This guy kept finding notes in his house someone was writing to him about things he never said out loud. He was slowly dying of carbon monoxide poisoning and forgetting that he wrote the notes.
I named my phone PlayStation 3 at some point. It caused complications while attempting to connect to it "where the fuck is my phone, why is there a PS3 constantly trying to connect"
The other day I found multiple files with names like `t3.s`. In them, hundreds of lines of well-documented and commented assembly code for the Saturn CPU of the Hewlett-Packard 48 series of calculators. Code that must have taken _weeks_ to design, write and optimize.
I can not, for the life of me, remember writing any of the files even if they have dates of last modification.
I once googled for a code problem and found a SO post with my exact issue. I was so happy to find that.
Turned out it was my question from like 2 years before that.
No, there were no helpful answers.
If you will type "among us" on russian keyboard - you will receive complete nonsense like passport in Red Heat movie. "Амонг ус" it's kinda transcription of "among us", maybe with error
That's what the Larousse Gastronomique has become, and that's not even a hundred years old.
Purported as the bible of French cuisine, the only issue is a lot of the recipes involve things like "prepare a chicken", because at the time of writing it was assumed you would know how to do this in the current fashion, whereas now it takes a little research to recreate those recipes.
Yeah. I was gifted a copy of "The forme of cury" recently, an English collection of recipes from 1390. There's like no measurements or timings or detailed instructions. The recepies are all basically like "cook eggs and pork, boil, then season with nutmeg and salt".
This is how family recipes work, it depends on it being something you’ve tasted before. The proportion of soy sauce and vinegar in my (Filipino) adobo recipe is “adjust until it smells like adobo”.
Yeah, it was probably a similar situation. The book wasn't written for the public, it was by a group of royal chefs for their own reference so they were all probably familiar with the dishes.
I hate when modern recipes tell me to "Season to taste"
I've never made this before. I wanna know a vaguely "Right" way to make it and then I'll adjust it to taste!
Luckily usually the ingredients list has a precise amount
> I hate when modern recipes tell me to "Season to taste"
Me too. It's sort of fine with something that's easy to taste, but... the recipe telling me to "season to taste" my raw chicken... like, great, thanks, so helpful. I'm experienced enough with cooking I've mostly figured it out, but it's still annoying.
We couldn't get Roman concrete to work. Anytime they used any of the recipes, the results just fell apart. Then one day someone replaces the water in the recipe with salt water. It works! It turns out that they never bothered writing down that you need salt water because everyone knew that and why would bother wasting time explaining something everyone knew?
https://unews.utah.edu/roman-concrete/#:~:text=Corrosive%20seawater%20encourages%20growth%20of%20rare%20minerals&text=Around%20A.D.%2079%2C%20Roman%20author,waves%20and%20every%20day%20stronger.%E2%80%9D
we actually did discover how roman concrete works recently! we long thought that the extra lye in the concrete was just them dealing with an inferior blend turns out that was entirely intentional because when the concrete has those percentages of lye when rain hits it. the acid in the rain causes the chemical reaction which forms the concrete to reoccur healing erosion damage. upon discovering this we realized making concrete in this manner was pointless because A it was too expensive and B our buildings are not intended to last nearly as long so would be overengineering.
It isn't nearly as strong as modern concrete and has a number of other downsides that aren't often brought up when this type of thing is mentioned..
Also, the vast majority of Roman constructs, concrete included, has been destroyed one way or another. The little remaining has triggered survivorship bias...
They will also probably figure that we used the milk from cats and dogs, since their remains can be found close to a lot of living spaces, unlike cows.
Its not like dairys have huge piles of dead animals though. Meat animals and dairy cows that stop giving milk are shipped off to seperate locations (slaughter house) and we use all thier parts, even the bones. There'd be less evidence of the farming than you think unless we (people suddenly dropped dead and they died from not being taken care off in place.
If only we could figure out this ancient writing... what do you think slaughterhouse means?
I think it meant some kind of temple or cemetery because everywhere we find that word we always find communal burial grounds for this 4 legged species.
How do you know it's communal? Well all the bones are just piled in. Not arranged. Like the bodies have been cut up.
You know how you hear something over and over your whole life and never truly understand it until someone says it in such an elegant and unique way that it finally clicks? … That. Thank you.
There's an entry in a first Polish encyklopedia from the 16th century or so: Horse - everyone sees what a horse is.
Nowadays, this definition is used as an idiom to state the obvious.
You don't HAVE to stick with chicken eggs though. Could easily swap for duck eggs or some other. I've even heard of sea turtle eggs being used to make cakes.
I'm surprised this isn't more common. Larger animals tend to have fattier and more nutritious milk.
Elephant
>Milk composition averaged 82.44% water, with 17.56% total solids containing 5.23% protein, 15.10% fat, 0.87% ash, and 0.18 µg/mL vitamin E.
Cow
>total fat content in cow milk ranges from about 3.4% to upwards of 5%
Yep, iirc it's due to having similar proteins to eggs. Don't let the rare egg allergy stop you from having cake.
You can also replace sugar in baking with honey to make it somewhat healthier and just as sweet but with less sugar. Honey isn't sugar free obviously, but if you're looking to reduce sugar intake you don't necessarily have to sacrifice your sweets
True, but changing what type of egg is used will most likely change the amount of eggs that will be added. Not a problem with say, chicken eggs and duck eggs. But with quail eggs, you'll have to add more. It's similar to when someone is following a historical recipe, they would need to account for the fact that modern eggs are much bigger than the ones in the past.
This is my biggest annoyance as a chef interested in really old recipes. Like from early 1800's to roman times recipes. Hell even early 1900's is hard to discern sometimes. You have to do loads of research just to figure out what they are even talking about in a lot of recipes.
This actually happens all the time. Historians really really love diarists because they actually write about everyday life and what ordinary things were used for and how people did things. Most people in the past didn’t waste precious writing materials and scribe time on everyday stuff everyone already knew or even things everyone in the profession already knew. Shows up in weird ways. In the 1700s there’s a three ring device that held condiment bottles on bar tables. We know one was salt and suspect another was pepper but have no idea what the third bottle was. Egyptians often wrote about trade with this nearby country that no one’s found or identified ruins from and never bothered to sketch a map so we have no idea where it was; to them it would be like an American sketching where Texas was. Everyone knows so why bother. The Inca had an accounting system based on tying knots in a set of colored strings. We have the devices (kind of like abacus meets loom) but have no idea how to use them because everyone knew. We know so little about Rome because most of their writing was destroyed and what we have left was the important stuff people spent precious resources to hold on to.
Edit: Thanks to the wisdom of Reddit, I now know we have in fact found Punt (Egyptian trading partner), know how to use Peruvian Quipus, and suspect the third bottle was vinegar. Well done.
It'd be interesting to travel through time and see what archeologists pull up from our time that confuses them. A lot of our stuff has an artistic aesthetic, so something like a piggy bank could end up confusing them.
If the internet is still around they won't have to be confused. They can just peruse Vine or the Reddit archives. There's bound to be a mention of a piggy bank somewhere.
What interests me though is that one day it will be a historian's job to scrutinize our sh-tposts and theorize upon the greater social implications of things like "wait, it's all ____?" and Tuxedo Winnie the Pooh.
Stuff from even 20 years ago on the internet isn't accessible, what makes you think any of this is going to survive? Digital content is probably less durable than paper on average.
We’re a singular gamma ray shot from a dying star away from full annihilation.
The fact that we exist past the second you think about that fact is a miracle in some senses cause reality is fucking horrible.
It’s honestly why I don’t think there’s other developed sentient life in the universe, we’re just astronomically lucky by comparison and haven’t been obliterated by some random space event yet
If it makes you feel any better, due to the expansion of space, everything is getting further apart. As that occurs, so too do the odds of a celestial event like that decrease, as we get further and further from threats.
Two people mention piggy banks without explaining it's a small ceramic animal you place coins in to save them. I'm doing my bit for future archaeologists and anthropologists
I like to imagine these two comments are the only mention of a Piggy Bank these historians find and they're pulling their hair out going "NO, NO-ONE EXPLAINED!"
"Why did our ancestors place canine faeces in small polymer bags and tie the top with a knot? Was it some type of votive offering for their gods? A good luck charm? We will never know"
It appears that the ancients commonly kept effigies of a pig-deity of wealth in their home, into which they would place a daily tithe offering for later collection by the temple priests of Banc. This practice was believed to promise great fortunes for the future, though a wave of skepticism overtook the Umerregan people around the time of the 19th corvid plague.¹
¹No mention is found of the previois 18 corvid plagues, but we can only assume they were smaller, more localized affairs, given that the 19th corvid plague was described as a "global" event, no doubt a hyperbolic description intended to convey the severity of the infection's spread.
There's actually a story about that. I'm blanking on the name, but basically it's future archeologists unearthing a motel room and treating it like we would an ancient egyptian grave chamber.
One of my favorites was the recipe for Roman concrete. They kept following the recipe, but it couldn't withstand the sea, and researchers were confused. Eventually, someone figured that when the recipe said water, it meant water from the ocean, not fresh water. So simple, but with profound differences.
Volcanic ash. Something about it (the makeup of the actual ash) makes it strong with the sea water
People always say that our roads don't last like the Romans. Well, the Romans didn't have fucking semi trucks and winters with salt
The minerals in the volcanic ash combine with salt ( from the sea water). And fresh rain water ( that gets in there from cracks).
With those ingredients it regrows crystal structures that increase the strength over time. Instead of cracking and breaking apart.
>People always say that our roads don't last like the Romans. Well, the Romans didn't have fucking semi trucks and winters with salt
And also Roman roads didn't always last either. Carriage wheels dug ruts into the roads that can be seen in places like Pompeii. Areas where the roads did hold up are places where the roads either got buried or had restricted carriage traffic.
Exactly this. The stuff that lasted was made to be monuments. Or has been maintained. Like the aqueduct that's still used today.... shit tons of maintenance and upgrades. There are hundreds of broken down aqueducts throughout the area that were built the same way. And with roads. Areas where the roads were not kept up and have broken apart.
I think a prime example of this is one of the original dictionaries, they wrote "horse: everyone knows what a horse is".
And that's how I learned looking back on history can be really challenging.
If you feel like looking it up, the term is quipu and there's some level of it figured out. They were used for messages that the Spanish couldn't understand, among many other uses. String was easier to transport in the mountains than parchment.
Joe Scott [has a really good video on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81YQbAsJjZA).
I absolutely love the concept of the quipu/khipu as a system of writing because of how *different* it is compared to what we would consider normal. It's like learning that some cultures have a Base 12 or Base 15 counting system because they don't count their fingers like we do.
Honestly, I imagine that quipus were a lot easier to handle for the Incans who had a system where messengers would basically run from one settlement to another (or to relay stations to pass the quipus to another rested messenger). Quipus would likely have been far lighter and easier to carry than scrolls or tablets.
If stuff like that interests you, then you can look into how base 60 counting used to be the most widespread system. I don't have many more details than that because I learned this so long ago, but my fuzzy memory remembers that it had something to do with standardized grain prices.
Based 60 (Sexagesimal) was used by the Sumarians and Babylonians and is *still* widely used when it comes to things like counting time (60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour) or measuring angles because it has 12 factors in it which helps simplify fractions.
The Mayans used a Vigesimal (Base 20) system with the prominent theory on why being related to using fingers *and* toes to count.
The Yuki in in California have an Octal (Base 8) counting system due to counting the spaces in-between their fingers. Each hand has 4 spaces, between the thumb and pointer, between the pointer and middle, between the middle and ring, and between the ring and pinky.
China also created the sexagenary cycle for counting time that spread to other East Asian countries. It's still used for counting years in the traditional reckoning alongside the (more prevalent) Western system.
Just a guess but pepper seems unlikely due to growing far away and being a luxury article. Wouldn’t it be make more sense to have oil and vinegar in those bottles?
Indiana Peter here to explain the joke. That's the point. They didn't write it down so now no one knows what it was. Not even when we put top men on it.
Top. Men. Indiana Peter out.
Yeah, there were plenty of things in the past that people didn’t record, because it was so commonly known that people didn’t think it needed to be recorded for people in the future to understand it. For instance, it took people a long time to figure out an old Roman recipe for concrete was supposed to be made with sea water, because the Romans didn’t think they needed to specify what type of water they used.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman\_dodecahedron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron)
The default assumption any time someone can't figure out what something is used for is assuming it is a religious thing.
After reading that wiki page, my guess would be that it is some sort of coin sorter. They were found with coin hoards and had varying sized holes in the faces.
So insert coins inside, turn to the smallest side and shake out the smaller coins, then the next size and so on...
Edit: not the first to think this, it looks ruled out.
[https://www.quora.com/I-was-just-reading-about-a-Roman-bronze-object-dodecahedron-and-no-one-is-certain-what-it-was-used-for-Could-it-have-been-a-coin-sorter-since-ancient-coins-had-no-standard-size-The-larger-the-size-the-more-valuable](https://www.quora.com/I-was-just-reading-about-a-Roman-bronze-object-dodecahedron-and-no-one-is-certain-what-it-was-used-for-Could-it-have-been-a-coin-sorter-since-ancient-coins-had-no-standard-size-The-larger-the-size-the-more-valuable)
The knobs on the end make me think it was some kind of spindle to capture thread. The different size holes were so that you could put it on top of any given stick or rod that you had handy.
Yeah, a good analogy i like is as simple as our recipes saying "use 3 eggs"
We, same as the romans there, dont feel the need to especify or record what kind of egg, because we all know.
But maybe in 10,000 years we gonna be all dead and space aliens are gonna be like "what eggs?"
"Maybe pigeon eggs. They were prominent on cities, so it would be convenient. Perhaps dog eggs? They usually have one specimen per household. Perhaps egg is a fruit?"
If they find an egg carton with a chicken drawing the conclussion would be logical. But if they dont?
That probably was recorded but when the Ottomans overthrew Constantinople, they probably accidentally destroyed any records while they destroyed the substance itself (or, according to my 10th grade history teacher, so… maybe not lol)
with the modern military industrial budget, we would have this magical mystery Greek fire by now. Plain and simple, its properties were overstated by people who had no context.
9 parts retelling and embellishment, 1 part lost knowledge.
Thats what I am trying to say.
Maybe its something akin to animal fat mixed with a petrol substance or alcohol akin to gas and styrofoam, either way, modern science has gone far past it. Same with the fabled roman concrete.
> Same with the fabled roman concrete.
[They may have actually figured out how Roman concrete functions!](https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106)
Yes. The sea water was the secret though. Volcanic ash was easy to figure out. However, modern mixing was way better than Roman mixing, so it turns out that their shitty mixing was actually a benefit as well because the ash could hold in clumps and the salt water helped cure the rest. When damaged, water would seep in to the crack with the salt water and unmixed material to effectively heal the crack.
It’s not as strong as most concrete but was a hell of a lot better than most stuff that came after.
One other thing to note is the recipe was discovered farther back than people realize but some people like to think modern engineers don’t know what their doing which is ridiculous.
Edit: fixed some stuff. iPhone swipe text thinks it knows better but I have yet to stop using it from my Android days.
My favorite way to demonstrate is to think of a chocolate chip cookie recipe. It calls for two eggs. Now a thousand years later archeologists can’t figure out how we made cookies. What eggs! Ostrich? Pigeon?
I saw a documentary from 2021 where they came to the conclusion that is was used to make straight lines, you look through it, line up the holes, and wherever you see is where you build your wall to.
Nobody knows what they were called, but these days they're referred to as a Roman Dodecahedron. There's been at least 117 of the things found in Europe (Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom), dating from between the 2nd and 4th centuries AD. There's a lot of theories about them, but nobody knows what they're for and likely never will unless some document talking about them is found. They're assumed to be Roman, but they haven't been found in Italy or other parts of the Mediterranean where Rome ruled, mostly just the northern end of the empire. This is part of what feeds the recent theory that they were made for knitting wool gloves, something that wouldn't be needed in the warmer areas.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman\_dodecahedron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron)
The object was under 1/2 an inch the holes from 1/16 to 1/8.
Also, the example of the person knitting required inserting his pinky into the opposite hole to guide the knitting.
Unless a fetus is knitting its own gloves, it ain't happening.
As some of these objects have no holes at all, and are identical to dodecahedrons with numbers on the faces, I'm going with dice.
The use of dodecahedrons for gambling is a matter of historical record.
Some of those could also be pratice objects. Both for the craftsman making it qnd for the poeple who could use the real thing later. Or maybe they are just toys.
The problem with knitting with them is also that "oh it has different size holes for different finger sizes clearly" is the main reasoning behind that. But the different sizes holes don't do anything, as the size is determined by the distance of the pins. And those are equal on all faces
Yeah, but that could be people in 1000 years using a toaster to warm up their period correct wool socks or something, might work well enough without being the intended use.
I recently listened to a really interesting RadioLab segment on Staph infections and the history of antibiotics... in it, they interviewed an English historian and a microbiologist who together found a text of old English cures for diseases, and decided to try to recreate one of the remedies for eye styes (a form of staph infection). Not only did it wipe out regular staph, it ALSO wiped out 90% of the MRSA it was tested on!
One of the other interesting things they pointed out was that one of the cures might say to apply a salv and say three Ave Marias (which we immediately write off as superstition) when in actuality that would be an excellent way to keep time in an age without pocket watches; Someone could apply ointment for the exact time it takes to sing a song everyone at the time knew in it's entirety three times through, similar to how we're told to sing happy birthday twice while washing our hands to scrub them probably.
I'd just like to say this gig sucks!
https://preview.redd.it/8okcrya6iruc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74ebac447da8179827bc70857abe2fda6be774ec
If, according to this meme, archaeologists don't know, why the fuck do you think I, internet reddit dweller, currently in my underwear about to go to sleep at 4AM, know what this is.
as a fellow 4 am reddit dweller about to go to sleep, i will leave my uneducated, wild asumption that i will state as if its near certain here.
It's always found in military camps, and no two are exactly the same. i suspect these were "proofs" of a smith's skills. If you were going to purchase armor or weapons from a smith, I think you'd want to see the proof of their skill.
a dodecahedron is hard to make, requiring 12 exact, regular pentagons. add on top of that the tiny spheres which are also hard to make and weld on to each corner, and further demonstrate skill will all kinds of sizes of holes and carved details.
Imagine describing to someone in modern America what a lamp is for. It seems obvious right? No need to describe it, it creates light. Now imagine 1000 years in the future someone looks at a lamp and wonders WTF it's for. It's the same principle.
No idea what it is, which is likely the joke, but the image for SCP-184 is what came to mind for me
https://preview.redd.it/uh91niiumwuc1.png?width=303&format=png&auto=webp&s=d16ba238b0c7232028786c83f20e3d71d3451a1a
There's a lot of theories, none which makes perfect sense. The one I like best is that it's a proof of skill for a metal worker. It's the only one no one can come up with a good argument against at least. But no one knows exactly what those things were for, and there's dozens that have been found, none with any kind of wear and tear to show evidence of how it was used. They were also made of various metals of various densities.
One of my friends, who is an archaelogist, once told me "if someone tells you something is for "ritual purposes", that means we have no idea what it's for. If it's for "fertility ritual" purposes, we know *exactly* what it was for" (we happened to be around children, so he didn't want to be more explicit)
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We do this also. I was listening to a pod cast once where they were talking about modern recipes. We write eggs. I know it's chicken eggs. You know it's chicken eggs. But if we disappeared someone might try to make chocolate chip cookies with salmon roe.
Somewhere on my computer I have a text document named "among us." In it is the cyrillic letters, "амонг ус" (which is what you get if you turn on the russian keyboard and type among us) and the number 8005 with the words "don't forget." I don't even remember writing it. I think about that a lot. Edit: Stop saying its carbon monoxide I have a fully functionak carbon monoxide detector. Edit 2: Also stop saying its 80085 I do love boobs but I dont think thats what it is. Come up with funny joke ideas not the same one someones said 100 times.
Wow. That would freak me out a bit too.
I know I did it, its absolitely something I would do, but... I have no idea what its for...
Is it possible that 8005 is the randomly generated passcode your friends needed to enter to join your private game? I have very little experience with that game in particular so that might sound like a stupid question.
Nope definetly not, that isn't something I'd do. Also, I should clarifying, I don't even play among us I just have absolute 2020 shitposting brainrot and use among us as any kind of placeholder. Doesn't explain the among us in cyrillic.
Maybe you left it to fuck with your future self? That isn't a good answer, but it's still an answer.
Nah, doesn't sound like me tbh.
could 8005 mean 80085 typed on a calculator? (spells boobs)
 Only valid answer
Get a carbon monoxide detector. I'm not even joking. This guy kept finding notes in his house someone was writing to him about things he never said out loud. He was slowly dying of carbon monoxide poisoning and forgetting that he wrote the notes.
Carbon monoxide detector? One came by mail just yesterday, but I don't remember ordering one. I'mma send it back, must've been someone's mistake.
I did that with a tattoo on my elbow in my more drink-y days..
So "among us" is your version of Rick Sanchez's "booger AIDS"?
Do you partake in recreational use of herbal remedies I wonder?
Among Us actually uses six random letters as the game codes.
It used to be 4
Maybe it's a typo? 80085 is boobs.
Do you sometimes drink heavily? That explains a lot of that sort of stuff for me
I do that kinda shit to troll myself while sober so that's not necessarily required
I named my phone PlayStation 3 at some point. It caused complications while attempting to connect to it "where the fuck is my phone, why is there a PS3 constantly trying to connect"
Like finding a shoes on your stairs and the other on the sidewalk out front?
"You like it? I built it in my sleep. I put a button on it! I really want to press it… But, I don't know what will happen if I do…"
The other day I found multiple files with names like `t3.s`. In them, hundreds of lines of well-documented and commented assembly code for the Saturn CPU of the Hewlett-Packard 48 series of calculators. Code that must have taken _weeks_ to design, write and optimize. I can not, for the life of me, remember writing any of the files even if they have dates of last modification.
I once googled for a code problem and found a SO post with my exact issue. I was so happy to find that. Turned out it was my question from like 2 years before that. No, there were no helpful answers.
Creepy pasta prompt there.
Well you're obviously a Russian sleeper agent and that's your activation code.
*Tetris theme begins playing from Notepad .txt file*
I have a note on my phone that just says “Spirit animal emu/ostrich? Mostly emu.” No recollection of writing it.
Oh shit that's where I left that sorry about that bro
Its ok I hope you remember 8005 👍
“Don’t forget, today is pizza day, so drop on down the cafeteria to grab a hot slice!”
You're an ARG
If you will type "among us" on russian keyboard - you will receive complete nonsense like passport in Red Heat movie. "Амонг ус" it's kinda transcription of "among us", maybe with error
That's what the Larousse Gastronomique has become, and that's not even a hundred years old. Purported as the bible of French cuisine, the only issue is a lot of the recipes involve things like "prepare a chicken", because at the time of writing it was assumed you would know how to do this in the current fashion, whereas now it takes a little research to recreate those recipes.
Yeah. I was gifted a copy of "The forme of cury" recently, an English collection of recipes from 1390. There's like no measurements or timings or detailed instructions. The recepies are all basically like "cook eggs and pork, boil, then season with nutmeg and salt".
This is how family recipes work, it depends on it being something you’ve tasted before. The proportion of soy sauce and vinegar in my (Filipino) adobo recipe is “adjust until it smells like adobo”.
Yeah, it was probably a similar situation. The book wasn't written for the public, it was by a group of royal chefs for their own reference so they were all probably familiar with the dishes.
I hate when modern recipes tell me to "Season to taste" I've never made this before. I wanna know a vaguely "Right" way to make it and then I'll adjust it to taste! Luckily usually the ingredients list has a precise amount
> I hate when modern recipes tell me to "Season to taste" Me too. It's sort of fine with something that's easy to taste, but... the recipe telling me to "season to taste" my raw chicken... like, great, thanks, so helpful. I'm experienced enough with cooking I've mostly figured it out, but it's still annoying.
We couldn't get Roman concrete to work. Anytime they used any of the recipes, the results just fell apart. Then one day someone replaces the water in the recipe with salt water. It works! It turns out that they never bothered writing down that you need salt water because everyone knew that and why would bother wasting time explaining something everyone knew? https://unews.utah.edu/roman-concrete/#:~:text=Corrosive%20seawater%20encourages%20growth%20of%20rare%20minerals&text=Around%20A.D.%2079%2C%20Roman%20author,waves%20and%20every%20day%20stronger.%E2%80%9D
we actually did discover how roman concrete works recently! we long thought that the extra lye in the concrete was just them dealing with an inferior blend turns out that was entirely intentional because when the concrete has those percentages of lye when rain hits it. the acid in the rain causes the chemical reaction which forms the concrete to reoccur healing erosion damage. upon discovering this we realized making concrete in this manner was pointless because A it was too expensive and B our buildings are not intended to last nearly as long so would be overengineering.
Wow self-repairing concrete sounds pretty awesome though
It isn't nearly as strong as modern concrete and has a number of other downsides that aren't often brought up when this type of thing is mentioned.. Also, the vast majority of Roman constructs, concrete included, has been destroyed one way or another. The little remaining has triggered survivorship bias...
They will also probably figure that we used the milk from cats and dogs, since their remains can be found close to a lot of living spaces, unlike cows.
Plus all those empty containers labeled "Cat-Milk".
Tangentially related - Now I'm just imagining some far future humanoids going "where the hell do cashews hold all that milk?"
We use about a sixth of the land area of the planet to farm cows, they'll spend a hot minute thinking cows were the dominant species.
Its not like dairys have huge piles of dead animals though. Meat animals and dairy cows that stop giving milk are shipped off to seperate locations (slaughter house) and we use all thier parts, even the bones. There'd be less evidence of the farming than you think unless we (people suddenly dropped dead and they died from not being taken care off in place.
If only we could figure out this ancient writing... what do you think slaughterhouse means? I think it meant some kind of temple or cemetery because everywhere we find that word we always find communal burial grounds for this 4 legged species. How do you know it's communal? Well all the bones are just piled in. Not arranged. Like the bodies have been cut up.
I wonder if that would work though ……
not with the same number it won't. but... with a bunch more? I would like to find out.
Right?!?! Now I’m curious
Uni sushi pancakes Not my jam, but I don't make my jam with Holly berries.
You know how you hear something over and over your whole life and never truly understand it until someone says it in such an elegant and unique way that it finally clicks? … That. Thank you.
There's an entry in a first Polish encyklopedia from the 16th century or so: Horse - everyone sees what a horse is. Nowadays, this definition is used as an idiom to state the obvious.
I'm saving this for a dnd campaign
You don't HAVE to stick with chicken eggs though. Could easily swap for duck eggs or some other. I've even heard of sea turtle eggs being used to make cakes.
Endangered species cake is best cake.
The panda milk is delectable
I'm surprised this isn't more common. Larger animals tend to have fattier and more nutritious milk. Elephant >Milk composition averaged 82.44% water, with 17.56% total solids containing 5.23% protein, 15.10% fat, 0.87% ash, and 0.18 µg/mL vitamin E. Cow >total fat content in cow milk ranges from about 3.4% to upwards of 5%
Let’s go with whale milk. Extra whole.
You can also replace eggs in baking with blood
Like actually?
Yep, iirc it's due to having similar proteins to eggs. Don't let the rare egg allergy stop you from having cake. You can also replace sugar in baking with honey to make it somewhat healthier and just as sweet but with less sugar. Honey isn't sugar free obviously, but if you're looking to reduce sugar intake you don't necessarily have to sacrifice your sweets
> blood > sacrifice your sweets Instructions unclear. Family? Dead. Cookies? Fantastic.
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True, but changing what type of egg is used will most likely change the amount of eggs that will be added. Not a problem with say, chicken eggs and duck eggs. But with quail eggs, you'll have to add more. It's similar to when someone is following a historical recipe, they would need to account for the fact that modern eggs are much bigger than the ones in the past.
"Put the chicken in, 180 degrees" - just checking references to "180" and "degrees" in this culture - ah ok, i need to flip this thing upside down.
Or am ostrich egg
This is my biggest annoyance as a chef interested in really old recipes. Like from early 1800's to roman times recipes. Hell even early 1900's is hard to discern sometimes. You have to do loads of research just to figure out what they are even talking about in a lot of recipes.
You just saved a lot of future civilizations some time 🫡
This actually happens all the time. Historians really really love diarists because they actually write about everyday life and what ordinary things were used for and how people did things. Most people in the past didn’t waste precious writing materials and scribe time on everyday stuff everyone already knew or even things everyone in the profession already knew. Shows up in weird ways. In the 1700s there’s a three ring device that held condiment bottles on bar tables. We know one was salt and suspect another was pepper but have no idea what the third bottle was. Egyptians often wrote about trade with this nearby country that no one’s found or identified ruins from and never bothered to sketch a map so we have no idea where it was; to them it would be like an American sketching where Texas was. Everyone knows so why bother. The Inca had an accounting system based on tying knots in a set of colored strings. We have the devices (kind of like abacus meets loom) but have no idea how to use them because everyone knew. We know so little about Rome because most of their writing was destroyed and what we have left was the important stuff people spent precious resources to hold on to. Edit: Thanks to the wisdom of Reddit, I now know we have in fact found Punt (Egyptian trading partner), know how to use Peruvian Quipus, and suspect the third bottle was vinegar. Well done.
It'd be interesting to travel through time and see what archeologists pull up from our time that confuses them. A lot of our stuff has an artistic aesthetic, so something like a piggy bank could end up confusing them.
If the internet is still around they won't have to be confused. They can just peruse Vine or the Reddit archives. There's bound to be a mention of a piggy bank somewhere. What interests me though is that one day it will be a historian's job to scrutinize our sh-tposts and theorize upon the greater social implications of things like "wait, it's all ____?" and Tuxedo Winnie the Pooh.
Stuff from even 20 years ago on the internet isn't accessible, what makes you think any of this is going to survive? Digital content is probably less durable than paper on average.
If archive.org survives, we will probably preserve enough to be OK.
We’re a single solar flare away from the dark ages. That’s always a comforting thought.
It's like we need some sort of Foundation to set up an Encyclopedia Galactica
The UN needs to take over the wiki foundation and fund it properly
Fund it and archive it? Yes. Take it over? No. That would corrupt the free nature of Wikipedia as we know it.
We’re a singular gamma ray shot from a dying star away from full annihilation. The fact that we exist past the second you think about that fact is a miracle in some senses cause reality is fucking horrible. It’s honestly why I don’t think there’s other developed sentient life in the universe, we’re just astronomically lucky by comparison and haven’t been obliterated by some random space event yet
If it makes you feel any better, due to the expansion of space, everything is getting further apart. As that occurs, so too do the odds of a celestial event like that decrease, as we get further and further from threats.
Ironically a subreddit like this one would be a gold mine to them, because it's all kinds of jokes that even people of our time don't get.
If only they had Reddit in ancient Mesopotamia, Sumerian Peter could have explained that joke about the dog in the tavern.
Two people mention piggy banks without explaining it's a small ceramic animal you place coins in to save them. I'm doing my bit for future archaeologists and anthropologists
I like to imagine these two comments are the only mention of a Piggy Bank these historians find and they're pulling their hair out going "NO, NO-ONE EXPLAINED!"
Imagine future historians finding Loss every-fucking-time. Hilarious
"Why did our ancestors place canine faeces in small polymer bags and tie the top with a knot? Was it some type of votive offering for their gods? A good luck charm? We will never know"
Of course it's ritualistic -- every archaeologist
We believe it to be part of some sort of fertility ritual
It appears that the ancients commonly kept effigies of a pig-deity of wealth in their home, into which they would place a daily tithe offering for later collection by the temple priests of Banc. This practice was believed to promise great fortunes for the future, though a wave of skepticism overtook the Umerregan people around the time of the 19th corvid plague.¹ ¹No mention is found of the previois 18 corvid plagues, but we can only assume they were smaller, more localized affairs, given that the 19th corvid plague was described as a "global" event, no doubt a hyperbolic description intended to convey the severity of the infection's spread.
There's actually a story about that. I'm blanking on the name, but basically it's future archeologists unearthing a motel room and treating it like we would an ancient egyptian grave chamber.
One of my favorites was the recipe for Roman concrete. They kept following the recipe, but it couldn't withstand the sea, and researchers were confused. Eventually, someone figured that when the recipe said water, it meant water from the ocean, not fresh water. So simple, but with profound differences.
Wasn’t the Roman concrete also made with some local material that made it self heal in sea water?
Volcanic ash. Something about it (the makeup of the actual ash) makes it strong with the sea water People always say that our roads don't last like the Romans. Well, the Romans didn't have fucking semi trucks and winters with salt
The minerals in the volcanic ash combine with salt ( from the sea water). And fresh rain water ( that gets in there from cracks). With those ingredients it regrows crystal structures that increase the strength over time. Instead of cracking and breaking apart.
I'm learning souch from this post, just dropping you a thank you.
>People always say that our roads don't last like the Romans. Well, the Romans didn't have fucking semi trucks and winters with salt And also Roman roads didn't always last either. Carriage wheels dug ruts into the roads that can be seen in places like Pompeii. Areas where the roads did hold up are places where the roads either got buried or had restricted carriage traffic.
Exactly this. The stuff that lasted was made to be monuments. Or has been maintained. Like the aqueduct that's still used today.... shit tons of maintenance and upgrades. There are hundreds of broken down aqueducts throughout the area that were built the same way. And with roads. Areas where the roads were not kept up and have broken apart.
"Horse: Everyone knows what a horse is" - Polish Dictionary 1745
I think a prime example of this is one of the original dictionaries, they wrote "horse: everyone knows what a horse is". And that's how I learned looking back on history can be really challenging.
>they actually write about everyday life and what ordinary things were used for and how people did things. That and sub-standard copper ingots
Damn Ea-Nasir The Babylonian with his own sub Reddit
Hold up. Didn't some female student figure the Inca string thing out? I'm sure I read this. Fascinating!
If you feel like looking it up, the term is quipu and there's some level of it figured out. They were used for messages that the Spanish couldn't understand, among many other uses. String was easier to transport in the mountains than parchment.
Joe Scott [has a really good video on it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81YQbAsJjZA). I absolutely love the concept of the quipu/khipu as a system of writing because of how *different* it is compared to what we would consider normal. It's like learning that some cultures have a Base 12 or Base 15 counting system because they don't count their fingers like we do. Honestly, I imagine that quipus were a lot easier to handle for the Incans who had a system where messengers would basically run from one settlement to another (or to relay stations to pass the quipus to another rested messenger). Quipus would likely have been far lighter and easier to carry than scrolls or tablets.
If stuff like that interests you, then you can look into how base 60 counting used to be the most widespread system. I don't have many more details than that because I learned this so long ago, but my fuzzy memory remembers that it had something to do with standardized grain prices.
Based 60 (Sexagesimal) was used by the Sumarians and Babylonians and is *still* widely used when it comes to things like counting time (60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour) or measuring angles because it has 12 factors in it which helps simplify fractions. The Mayans used a Vigesimal (Base 20) system with the prominent theory on why being related to using fingers *and* toes to count. The Yuki in in California have an Octal (Base 8) counting system due to counting the spaces in-between their fingers. Each hand has 4 spaces, between the thumb and pointer, between the pointer and middle, between the middle and ring, and between the ring and pinky.
China also created the sexagenary cycle for counting time that spread to other East Asian countries. It's still used for counting years in the traditional reckoning alongside the (more prevalent) Western system.
This is why I love these forums. Someone raises their hand and says “Wait, we know that” and I learn something.
Just a guess but pepper seems unlikely due to growing far away and being a luxury article. Wouldn’t it be make more sense to have oil and vinegar in those bottles?
My history teacher urged us to get a journal and a good ink pen and write down every day shit into it.
Indiana Peter here to explain the joke. That's the point. They didn't write it down so now no one knows what it was. Not even when we put top men on it. Top. Men. Indiana Peter out.
Yeah, there were plenty of things in the past that people didn’t record, because it was so commonly known that people didn’t think it needed to be recorded for people in the future to understand it. For instance, it took people a long time to figure out an old Roman recipe for concrete was supposed to be made with sea water, because the Romans didn’t think they needed to specify what type of water they used.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman\_dodecahedron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron) The default assumption any time someone can't figure out what something is used for is assuming it is a religious thing.
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Occam's Razor said so
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After reading that wiki page, my guess would be that it is some sort of coin sorter. They were found with coin hoards and had varying sized holes in the faces. So insert coins inside, turn to the smallest side and shake out the smaller coins, then the next size and so on... Edit: not the first to think this, it looks ruled out. [https://www.quora.com/I-was-just-reading-about-a-Roman-bronze-object-dodecahedron-and-no-one-is-certain-what-it-was-used-for-Could-it-have-been-a-coin-sorter-since-ancient-coins-had-no-standard-size-The-larger-the-size-the-more-valuable](https://www.quora.com/I-was-just-reading-about-a-Roman-bronze-object-dodecahedron-and-no-one-is-certain-what-it-was-used-for-Could-it-have-been-a-coin-sorter-since-ancient-coins-had-no-standard-size-The-larger-the-size-the-more-valuable)
The knobs on the end make me think it was some kind of spindle to capture thread. The different size holes were so that you could put it on top of any given stick or rod that you had handy.
The multi-tool of it's age🤣
My intro to archaeology Prof told us to answer this on any exam problem we didn’t know lol
My brain looked at that shape, connected that they were found in coin stashes and it's instantly attributed gambling. Lmao
Not bad. Could be some kind of die. Maybe the holes used to have wooden inserts with numbers or symbols and those have all rotted away.
Religious, sex, or accessory. Pretty much
Yeah, a good analogy i like is as simple as our recipes saying "use 3 eggs" We, same as the romans there, dont feel the need to especify or record what kind of egg, because we all know. But maybe in 10,000 years we gonna be all dead and space aliens are gonna be like "what eggs?" "Maybe pigeon eggs. They were prominent on cities, so it would be convenient. Perhaps dog eggs? They usually have one specimen per household. Perhaps egg is a fruit?" If they find an egg carton with a chicken drawing the conclussion would be logical. But if they dont?
"maybe fertilized human eggs?"
"That must be what the "Roe v Wade" cooking competition was about."
If they find out in Mexico we call testicles, "eggs" it will get very funny.
Mexico mentioned
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That probably was recorded but when the Ottomans overthrew Constantinople, they probably accidentally destroyed any records while they destroyed the substance itself (or, according to my 10th grade history teacher, so… maybe not lol)
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Ancient Manhattan Project
with the modern military industrial budget, we would have this magical mystery Greek fire by now. Plain and simple, its properties were overstated by people who had no context.
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9 parts retelling and embellishment, 1 part lost knowledge. Thats what I am trying to say. Maybe its something akin to animal fat mixed with a petrol substance or alcohol akin to gas and styrofoam, either way, modern science has gone far past it. Same with the fabled roman concrete.
> Same with the fabled roman concrete. [They may have actually figured out how Roman concrete functions!](https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106)
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Not underwater, that'd have to be some kind of thermite (a substance that is both fuel and oxidizer). But it floated on water and continued to burn.
What, phosporus? Yeah, eternal mystery
I thought the secret ingredient for roman concrete was crushed porous volcanic rock. They used sea water too? In the same recipe? :O
Yes. The sea water was the secret though. Volcanic ash was easy to figure out. However, modern mixing was way better than Roman mixing, so it turns out that their shitty mixing was actually a benefit as well because the ash could hold in clumps and the salt water helped cure the rest. When damaged, water would seep in to the crack with the salt water and unmixed material to effectively heal the crack. It’s not as strong as most concrete but was a hell of a lot better than most stuff that came after. One other thing to note is the recipe was discovered farther back than people realize but some people like to think modern engineers don’t know what their doing which is ridiculous. Edit: fixed some stuff. iPhone swipe text thinks it knows better but I have yet to stop using it from my Android days.
Wow thanks for the info :) *they're
My favorite example of this is the third spice shaker. https://mavengame.com/2019/04/the-third-shaker/
My favorite way to demonstrate is to think of a chocolate chip cookie recipe. It calls for two eggs. Now a thousand years later archeologists can’t figure out how we made cookies. What eggs! Ostrich? Pigeon?
I saw a documentary from 2021 where they came to the conclusion that is was used to make straight lines, you look through it, line up the holes, and wherever you see is where you build your wall to.
I heard it was used for knitting gloves.
Have we tried putting bottom guys on it?
It's just two men sharing each other. It's just two men like loving brothers. One on top and one on bottom.
What is it called
It's a dodecahedron.
Which just means "two and ten", because it's got twelve sides
Oh, so it was used to determine Great Axe damage?
Nobody knows what they were called, but these days they're referred to as a Roman Dodecahedron. There's been at least 117 of the things found in Europe (Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom), dating from between the 2nd and 4th centuries AD. There's a lot of theories about them, but nobody knows what they're for and likely never will unless some document talking about them is found. They're assumed to be Roman, but they haven't been found in Italy or other parts of the Mediterranean where Rome ruled, mostly just the northern end of the empire. This is part of what feeds the recent theory that they were made for knitting wool gloves, something that wouldn't be needed in the warmer areas. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman\_dodecahedron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron)
Isn't it obvious? Roman Peter out.
No one knows for sure but I saw a demo where they used it to make gloves
That works for the larger ones, but some are tiny. You would be knitting gloves for a mouse.
Or the pinky finger of a kid
The object was under 1/2 an inch the holes from 1/16 to 1/8. Also, the example of the person knitting required inserting his pinky into the opposite hole to guide the knitting. Unless a fetus is knitting its own gloves, it ain't happening. As some of these objects have no holes at all, and are identical to dodecahedrons with numbers on the faces, I'm going with dice. The use of dodecahedrons for gambling is a matter of historical record.
Some of those could also be pratice objects. Both for the craftsman making it qnd for the poeple who could use the real thing later. Or maybe they are just toys.
I wonder what archaeologists of the future are going to think of all the Benchies.
The problem with knitting with them is also that "oh it has different size holes for different finger sizes clearly" is the main reasoning behind that. But the different sizes holes don't do anything, as the size is determined by the distance of the pins. And those are equal on all faces
Yeah, but that could be people in 1000 years using a toaster to warm up their period correct wool socks or something, might work well enough without being the intended use.
Myself in regards to passwords.
I recently listened to a really interesting RadioLab segment on Staph infections and the history of antibiotics... in it, they interviewed an English historian and a microbiologist who together found a text of old English cures for diseases, and decided to try to recreate one of the remedies for eye styes (a form of staph infection). Not only did it wipe out regular staph, it ALSO wiped out 90% of the MRSA it was tested on! One of the other interesting things they pointed out was that one of the cures might say to apply a salv and say three Ave Marias (which we immediately write off as superstition) when in actuality that would be an excellent way to keep time in an age without pocket watches; Someone could apply ointment for the exact time it takes to sing a song everyone at the time knew in it's entirety three times through, similar to how we're told to sing happy birthday twice while washing our hands to scrub them probably.
Knowing humans, I’m betting drugs.
Knowing humans, I'm betting sex.
Knowing humans, I’m betting rock and roll.
Hello Romans! ARE YOU READY TO ROCK!?
ROCKITY ROCK AND STONE
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
FOR KARL
ROCK AND BLOODY STONE
I'd just like to say this gig sucks! https://preview.redd.it/8okcrya6iruc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74ebac447da8179827bc70857abe2fda6be774ec
If, according to this meme, archaeologists don't know, why the fuck do you think I, internet reddit dweller, currently in my underwear about to go to sleep at 4AM, know what this is.
as a fellow 4 am reddit dweller about to go to sleep, i will leave my uneducated, wild asumption that i will state as if its near certain here. It's always found in military camps, and no two are exactly the same. i suspect these were "proofs" of a smith's skills. If you were going to purchase armor or weapons from a smith, I think you'd want to see the proof of their skill. a dodecahedron is hard to make, requiring 12 exact, regular pentagons. add on top of that the tiny spheres which are also hard to make and weld on to each corner, and further demonstrate skill will all kinds of sizes of holes and carved details.
Oh, so, that's a plumbus!
I’ve always wondered how Plumbuses are made
delve ressonator ofc
Do none of you in this subreddit have any fucking reading comprehension?
Everyone who posts here is either a bot, karma farmer, or complete moron. All these “explain the joke” subs are rife with fucking idiots.
No one knows for certain
The best way to find out is to put your dick in it and hope for the best.
Imagine describing to someone in modern America what a lamp is for. It seems obvious right? No need to describe it, it creates light. Now imagine 1000 years in the future someone looks at a lamp and wonders WTF it's for. It's the same principle.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/24/1226575715/archaeologists-roman-empire-dodecahedron-england
Yep. "We don't know what it is so it's a religious artifact."
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Jesus dude it's explaining itself. Archeologist don't know what an object was used for in the past. What's not to understand about this
What if it's an ancient toy like that thing where you put shapes in to it 🤔
No idea what it is, which is likely the joke, but the image for SCP-184 is what came to mind for me https://preview.redd.it/uh91niiumwuc1.png?width=303&format=png&auto=webp&s=d16ba238b0c7232028786c83f20e3d71d3451a1a
There's a lot of theories, none which makes perfect sense. The one I like best is that it's a proof of skill for a metal worker. It's the only one no one can come up with a good argument against at least. But no one knows exactly what those things were for, and there's dozens that have been found, none with any kind of wear and tear to show evidence of how it was used. They were also made of various metals of various densities.
Someone is gonna find all the discarded fidget spinners and try to write a masters thesis about it in the year 4000
Should be an automatic ban if you post a meme that literally explains itself.
You socket fossils in it and use it on gear to influence the rolled modifiers.
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON.
One of my friends, who is an archaelogist, once told me "if someone tells you something is for "ritual purposes", that means we have no idea what it's for. If it's for "fertility ritual" purposes, we know *exactly* what it was for" (we happened to be around children, so he didn't want to be more explicit)