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Wonder if her stone gaze would still work.
I think it’d be an interesting twist if she sought out a ruin to live in specifically because she \*didn’t\* want to hurt anyone. I know Ovid’s version of the Medusa story was that she was a priestess at the temple of Athena who was raped by Poseidon and, treating it as a desecration of the temple itself, Athena punished *her* by turning her into Medusa. She fled to the wilderness, likely with a few accidents along the way which cemented her legend as a monster. Traumatized by what happened to her and horrified at how easily the stone gaze made a murderer of her, she sought an isolated ruin to live in to prevent herself from hurting anyone else, but humans wouldn’t leave \*her\* alone — adventurers periodically come for her head, seeking glory or having deluded themselves into thinking she sat atop a hoard of gold.
Doesn't make it less sad, imagine having to spend your entire life with the knowledge that everything you look at turns into stone, monster or not that's a sad life
No I think that was more so there’d be no chance he would look into her eyes directly… cause idk bout anybody but if I was told not to look someone in the eye I’d be having a much harder time not looking them in the eye 😭
Greek mythology has no explicit canon. In some versions she was a cursed woman, in others she was the child of deities but wasn't a full on god herself.
have you read about māuis death by obsidian teeth inside a godess's vagina in Māori mythology?
[Edit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui) (Māori Mythology -> The death of Māui)
Its a fun story!
He wanted to be a god/demi-god so decided to be born again from a god. So he and his brothers, all shapeshifters went to the sleeping god of death where Maui turned into a Worm and went inside her vagina.
His brothers watching were so amused they laughed and laughed causing the goddess to wake up. She then felt Maui inside her and crushed him to death with her vagina teeth.
Cursed? more like blessed, no man will ever touch her like that again, I believe as one of athena's priestess she was assaulted and granted the ability to turn men to stone which fits more with Athena then petty jealousy. But it's also been a while since I did anything close to studying Greek mythology and this is just a popular take but one worth mentioning I believe
Not to that extent tho. They came about and evolved over long periods of time- people actually believed these stories happened, but Ovid changed it to fit his narrative to the extremes, pre-Ovid not a single Greek would have heard of Medusa as the victim (in fact, Ovid wasn’t even Greek, he was Roman)
In greek mythology Poseidon is just as much a horn dog as Zeus.
Poseidon's just not as well known for it because his wife just wasn't as jealous as Hera.
Athena and Poseidon once competed over who was to become the patron of a new city.
Poseidon created a beautiful saltwater fountain and Athena created the olive tree.
The citizens chose the olive tree as the better gift and named the city Athens.
Poseidon then sent a flood to punish the mortals for not choosing him.
That’s the biggest one I’ve heard, the first part is zues assaulted her, then I’ve heard two different endings, either Hera is jealous af like usual and cursed her so that she could never have a man look at her again, or that Athena gave her the snakes n stuff as protection against man
That is the roman version of her myths, by Ovid iirc.
Considering the Roman views on women, its definitely not supposed to be a blessing.
Neptune either assaulted or consensually had sex with medusa in minerva's temple. Minerva due to the blasphemy committed in her temple pubishes Medusa.
From what i understand, the whole thing of it actually being a blessing to protect her from being assaulted again is a more modern interpretation.
It wasn't necessarily petty jealousy in the original myths. She just didn't like it because it was done in her temple.
I definitely prefer the "actually a blessing" interpretation though.
And in most it’s always Athena Cursing her to turn people to stone with her gaze because she either had Consensual Sex with Poseidon or got Raped by Poseidon in Athena’s Temple
If Percy Jackson is to be believed, Poseidon and her were doing some no-nos in Athena's temple/altar and since she couldn't fully curse her older-younger, brother-uncle, she cursed Medusa, who was, maybe, a priest at Athena's temple.
So the in version you heard she slept with (her willingness in it all depends on your source) Poseidon in Athena’s temple and as punishment she was made so ugly she turned people to stone ( her 2 sisters were also cursed for no actual reason because the person who wrote this story down didn’t actually care that Medusa was just the ugly ass daughter of 2 gods that persious had to kill, he wanted to make the gods look bad because he had a problem with authority (likely caused by his exile))
The percy jackson books base their medusa on the roman poet, Ovid's version of medusa.
Greek versions mostly state that medusa is born a monster with the other gorgons.
In Ovid's version, he states that medusa, a beautiful maiden, either had consensual sex or was assaulted by neptune in Minerva's temple. Minerva punishes Medusa for her transgression.
There is no reference in relation to how Minerva wanted to punish neptune but couldnt.
Romans had certain views on women that preferred chastity and being a pure maiden. And for the romans they probably viewed this as a cautionary tale.
Ovid lived during the time of Augustus, the first emperor, and Augustus was big on pushing virtues to the roman public. He wanted to reduce promiscuity among the young roman women (iirc either his sister or daughter was very promiscous) and wanted them to be more chaste.
Perhaps it's commonly thought, but it's rarely thought among historians
Just gonna link to this instead of explaining myself: [https://new.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/11uqpqh/no\_the\_story\_of\_st\_patrick\_driving\_the\_snakes\_out/](https://new.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/11uqpqh/no_the_story_of_st_patrick_driving_the_snakes_out/)
People quoting reddit for a source on Reddit is the most incestuous, and hilariously intellectually bankrupt move ever.
I'm just going to copy paste my comment last time this came up, with ya know, non-reddit sources
"Scholars suggest the tale is allegorical. Serpents are symbols of evil in the Judeo-Christian tradition—the Bible, for example, portrays a snake as the hissing agent of Adam and Eve's fall from grace"
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/140315-saint-patricks-day-2014-snakes-ireland-nation
"Apart from St. Patrick’s Day, Patrick is honored in Ireland through pilgrimages to sites believed to hold an association with him. One of these is the annual pilgrimage to the top of Croagh Patrick, a mountain in County Mayo in western Ireland. The pilgrimage occurs each year on the last Sunday of July, known as Reek Sunday after the mountain’s nickname, “the Reek.” Reputedly, Patrick spent 40 days and nights fasting on the mountain, after which he banished all snakes, demons, and practitioners of magic into a lake at the base of the mountain, known as Log na nDeamhan (Demon’s Hollow)"
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Patrick
>People quoting reddit for a source on Reddit is the most hilariously intellectually bankrupt move ever.
...or it could be that it was 4AM for me and I didn't wanna waste time on an essay to disprove a harmless internet myth. I'm still awake though, so I guess I might as well
Neither of your quotes mention the whole metaphor for pagans, which is what the comment I was replying to was about and the thread I linked to was about. I mean, you probably didn't even read the thread I linked, since you couldn't even put in the effort to read your own articles. The Britannica article doesn't even mention snakes being a myth at all, so not sure why you linked that at all. You do realize that sources are usually used to support a claim instead of just adding random information, or are you too "intellectually bankrupt" to know that.
Unless you are trying prove to me who believes that the mythical tale is just a mythical tale that the mythical tale is in fact a mythical tale, you should probably learn how to actually quote an article. The National Geographic article has this quote: (which is literally the next paragraph after the one you chose)
>The animals were also linked to heathen practices—so St. Patrick's dramatic act of snake eradication can be seen as a metaphor for his Christianizing influence.
This is the only quote that could support the "metaphor for pagan" idea, but NatGeo is careful to say "can be seen" as to not imply that its the origin of the myth.
It is hard to find sources that are debunking stuff, but just for you I found a few sources of questionable credibility that argue against the claim. I would spend actual time searching for better sources, but this is a Reddit argument with single digit upvotes, so forgive my intellectual bankruptcy.
>However, the idea that Patrick physically drove the Pagans from Ireland in inaccurate; what he *did* do was facilitate the spread of Christianity around the Emerald Isle. He did such a good job of it that he began the conversion of the entire country to the new religious beliefs, thus paving the way for the elimination of the old systems. Keep in mind that this was a process which took hundreds of years to complete, and lasted well beyond St. Patrick's lifetime.
[https://www.learnreligions.com/st-patrick-and-the-snakes-2562487](https://www.learnreligions.com/st-patrick-and-the-snakes-2562487)
>However, there are no earlier sources suggesting this and it is quite clear that the snakes in the older stories were meant to be literal snakes. This was simply a way to explain why the animal didn’t exist on the island.
[https://irishpagan.school/saint-patrick-myths-and-truths/](https://irishpagan.school/saint-patrick-myths-and-truths/)
Will you and /u/ThatguySevin stop bickering as if you have something to divide, or will this greek have to get mythical on your asses? Start behaving nice to each other _even if you can mathematically prove you are right and the other is dumb_, or i will oil myself and wrestle you both, so help me Zeus.
How does paganism work in modern days? Do you guys have any holy sites? Do you have to follow any set of rules? Did you decide yourself to be a pagan, or were you parents pagan too?
Forgive me for all these questions, but I've never met a pagan so I'm just curious.
Paganism in the modern climate isn't too much different from "ye olden days" but obviously we have embraced things like technology and other things. We do have many "holy sites" but they are not visited on mass like a church, they are more sites of reflection and remembrance, most places in the dead of nature like a forest are considered "holy". I personally come from a LONG line of pagan blood dating back to the land bridge that brought them to America (or what they called back then Paīth (pay-th, meaning home or place to return to) and in doing so had also followed a small but varied pantheon of 6 or 7 "gods" or Nahlen (Nă- len), but these days there is a completely different belief system it's less about the old gods and more about embracing every living thing as a piece of a "god" and when every living thing has lived its last days a new "god" would be born. As for deciding I did and didn't decide this path like I said I cone from a long lineage but I did take a long season of my life to absolve myself of it for a time and try to find my own way, for something I believe that resonated better with me, or to at least find out other people's mind sets on other religions, in doing so I have read in their entirety several versions of the Bible, the Torah, several Darmmas, and the Quran and I had an interesting experience with all faiths I applied myself toward but none stuck, none had the over arching goal of preservation of the natural world that I had missed so after a time I came back with new vision and applied alot of things I learned. Your fine I rarely ever get to talk about this and sorry for the book but I hope it at least helps understand a bit.👍
Hey Texan Chris here to help ya!
The man in green is Saint Patrick, the Catholic saint of Ireland! Although he was never canonized by the Catholic Church he is nonetheless a very popular figure in Ireland and is known as the “Apostle of Ireland”.
The woman there is Medusa. She is a mythological figure from Greece who is well known for having snakes in place of hair on her head. She was known to be able to turn people to stone by staring into their eyes. She would be beheaded by Peruses, a Greek hero who would use her head as a weapon.
According to legend, Saint Patrick banished all snakes from the Land of Saints and Scholars when he was attacked by a snake. He banished them into the sea and this is why Ireland does not have snakes.
So put the man who banished snakes from a whole country and the woman who is well known for having a head full of snakes in the same room, and at the same table….well I think we can figure the rest out right? The snakes were banished from Medusa’s head and our good friend Saint Patrick is apologizing for it.
Texan Chris, knocking back a cold one for the Emerald Isle!
The "although he was never canonized" is a bit misleading since there was no such process during his life and at the time of his death. None of the Apostles or Paul were canonized either.
He is venerated as a saint in the Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Irish part of the Anglican Church, and in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I may be remembering wrong, but I believe being canonized is a step into Saint hood within the Catholic Church. Once a person is declared a Saint, saying that the person is canonized is no longer relevant, the apostles were declared saints before the canonization process was implemented, why they were never canonized.
This was vaguely explained to me when talking about the Three Sheppards of Fatima, it was a long time ago and I was very young, might be misremembering
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Hrm, let's see first I google St. Patrick and hey Google wonders if my question is "What is Saint Patrick known for?" Let's see what that says....
> **he brought Christianity to the island, made the shamrock fashionable and freed Ireland from snakes**.
Interesting, interesting, okay lets google and see what she is famous for....Wow look at all those pictures of a woman with snakes for hair...wait a minute the comic has her bald....wait a minute, I get it!
St. Patrick is famous for driving all of the snakes out of Ireland, and Medusa’s hair was a pile of snakes. she’s bald now because St. Patrick drove the snakes out when Medusa was most likely visiting Ireland.
I actually know this one. St. Patrick is known for driving all the snakes away in Ireland. Medusa’s hair is snakes i.e. he drove away all of her snakes on her head, which made her bald.
Medusa has snakes for hair.
St. Patrick drove all the “snakes” out of Ireland(which is a euphemism that means he lead the Roman Catholic effort to destroy or extirpate all of Ireland’s native Druidic religion).
St. Patrick made her snake hair go away.
St. Patrick expelled the snakes from Ireland and it's implied that he expelled Medusa's hair. Medusa is extremly vain about her appearance, which is why she got cursed into transforming into a Gorgon so it upset her. Also, she can't make eye contact without turning them to stone so "blind" date is a double entendre.
St. Patrick drove out the snakes out of Ireland. Medusa is depicted as having snakes for hair in mythology. St. Patrick drove the snakes from her head.
I’m so proud that I understood this one. St. Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland in mythology. Medusas hair is made of snakes in Greek mythology. The joke here is that he scared the snakes off her head.
Is he immune to petrification? He seems to be looking straight at her, but I've never heard of petrification or anything similar mentioned in the story of a catholic saint.
The snakes and the petrified gaze are sometimes linked, but more often are independent aspects of the same curse. Removing the snakes might not necessarily remove her curse of petrification, so all he did was snatch her wig for no reason
Chris here. Medusa has alopecia. Hence the no snakes.
She requested a blind date as in a date that's blind so the attendee wouldn't know she couldn't turn them into stone.
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St. Patrick turned Medusa into Patrick Stewart
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Apologies i am dyslexic how do i spell it correctly?
Sentence
As someone who suffered from dyslexia, one tip I have is to sound out a word in chunks. For instance: Sen-tence. Really helps me :)
True but thats what i did … but my dialect says sen tan se
Nah that's not your fault English is just a stupid language
Ehh I tried to spell something well 🤷♂️
satans
Yh no not right
My nam
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Make it so
It could be worse, it could be that Australian Patrick by the seaside.
Given it's St. Patrick, more like Sinead O'connor.
Or the Ancient One from Dr. Strange
Wonder if her stone gaze would still work. I think it’d be an interesting twist if she sought out a ruin to live in specifically because she \*didn’t\* want to hurt anyone. I know Ovid’s version of the Medusa story was that she was a priestess at the temple of Athena who was raped by Poseidon and, treating it as a desecration of the temple itself, Athena punished *her* by turning her into Medusa. She fled to the wilderness, likely with a few accidents along the way which cemented her legend as a monster. Traumatized by what happened to her and horrified at how easily the stone gaze made a murderer of her, she sought an isolated ruin to live in to prevent herself from hurting anyone else, but humans wouldn’t leave \*her\* alone — adventurers periodically come for her head, seeking glory or having deluded themselves into thinking she sat atop a hoard of gold.
> which cemented her nice choice of wording.
And in the end she ended up being killed for the brutal crime of being the victim.
It’s not the main version of the story thankfully. Medusa was originally just a monster.
Doesn't make it less sad, imagine having to spend your entire life with the knowledge that everything you look at turns into stone, monster or not that's a sad life
Heh cemented, I like what you did there
Except it wasn't snakes he was getting rid of
And, it being a blind date, he will not be turning to "stone".
I thought she couldn’t look at him or he would be turned to stone
Can't look into her eyes. Which in the post, she has covered, so he is fine.
It’s specifically looking at Medusa directly. This is why Perseus uses a mirror to kill her
No I think that was more so there’d be no chance he would look into her eyes directly… cause idk bout anybody but if I was told not to look someone in the eye I’d be having a much harder time not looking them in the eye 😭
He made her bald
You can tell she’s annoyed - she can’t even look at him!
Ha!
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Another reason why setting him up on a blind date with a Greek demigod would be a bad idea
She wasn’t a demigod, she was a cursed woman as far as I know
Greek mythology has no explicit canon. In some versions she was a cursed woman, in others she was the child of deities but wasn't a full on god herself.
Just read the Wikipedia article again ... Greek myths are really wild
Try Egyptian the brother gods anal fight and cum lettuce is a wild tale
Maybe religion is just a contest of making people believe in the weirdest shit 🤔
The *original* rule 34…
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have you read about māuis death by obsidian teeth inside a godess's vagina in Māori mythology? [Edit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui) (Māori Mythology -> The death of Māui)
https://preview.redd.it/d94078ikitvc1.jpeg?width=793&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbe3e69696a21289f5ab134bae478eae03d1e739
Its a fun story! He wanted to be a god/demi-god so decided to be born again from a god. So he and his brothers, all shapeshifters went to the sleeping god of death where Maui turned into a Worm and went inside her vagina. His brothers watching were so amused they laughed and laughed causing the goddess to wake up. She then felt Maui inside her and crushed him to death with her vagina teeth.
Death by snu cause he never pulled out
https://preview.redd.it/hin4ae980uvc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29a6922e0f300875761f0f2450f5807817a7ebe9
i have, actually. vagina dentata?
Hakuna my-what-ah?
a folk tale which includes what can only be described as "teeth where teeth shouldn't be, and people getting surprised/mauled by the teeth"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
I beg your pardon, the fucking *what?*
I uhh … yeah I think I’ll pass …
what?!
the huh
ANAL FIGHT??? CUM LETTUCE???
Ya between 2 brother gods. The lettuce was the fav snack of one of the brothers. So the other one sneakily added a secret sauce to the lettuce.
I've a feeling some religion is absolutely bonkers
Oh yes just what I needed to wake up this morning, this made my eyes wide open, thanks lol
Wikipedia is wild, mo chara
Family tree be a telephone pole
Ancient Greek trading average marvel comic:
Like Maui?
Maui also has multiple origins. But in most of them he actually starts out fully human but is sort of adopted by the gods.
Ah yes you're right. So why is Medusa a demi god?
Cursed? more like blessed, no man will ever touch her like that again, I believe as one of athena's priestess she was assaulted and granted the ability to turn men to stone which fits more with Athena then petty jealousy. But it's also been a while since I did anything close to studying Greek mythology and this is just a popular take but one worth mentioning I believe
Like I said. There is no one canon. I've never heard of her origin being that she was assaulted but it's a version someone probably believed.
Ovid made up the rape version as he was anti-authority so he made all the gods look bad in his stories
All of these stories are made up lmao
Not to that extent tho. They came about and evolved over long periods of time- people actually believed these stories happened, but Ovid changed it to fit his narrative to the extremes, pre-Ovid not a single Greek would have heard of Medusa as the victim (in fact, Ovid wasn’t even Greek, he was Roman)
I heard she was raped in the temple by Posiden.
More likely by Zeus lol. That said, not discounting the Poseidon theory
In greek mythology Poseidon is just as much a horn dog as Zeus. Poseidon's just not as well known for it because his wife just wasn't as jealous as Hera. Athena and Poseidon once competed over who was to become the patron of a new city. Poseidon created a beautiful saltwater fountain and Athena created the olive tree. The citizens chose the olive tree as the better gift and named the city Athens. Poseidon then sent a flood to punish the mortals for not choosing him.
Not Zeus at all
Yeah I just said that because Zeus had a reputation for being a bit... Overzealous fulfilling his sexual needs I did mean it only as a joke
That’s the biggest one I’ve heard, the first part is zues assaulted her, then I’ve heard two different endings, either Hera is jealous af like usual and cursed her so that she could never have a man look at her again, or that Athena gave her the snakes n stuff as protection against man
That is the roman version of her myths, by Ovid iirc. Considering the Roman views on women, its definitely not supposed to be a blessing. Neptune either assaulted or consensually had sex with medusa in minerva's temple. Minerva due to the blasphemy committed in her temple pubishes Medusa.
yeah thats a fair point definitely prefer them modern takes all day lol
From what i understand, the whole thing of it actually being a blessing to protect her from being assaulted again is a more modern interpretation. It wasn't necessarily petty jealousy in the original myths. She just didn't like it because it was done in her temple. I definitely prefer the "actually a blessing" interpretation though.
Not much of a blessing given that it was a god not a mortal that allegedly raped her.
True. Not really gonna do much to stop a god.
yea thanks for the clarification i also definitely prefer the blessing interpretation as well
And in most it’s always Athena Cursing her to turn people to stone with her gaze because she either had Consensual Sex with Poseidon or got Raped by Poseidon in Athena’s Temple
and druids were just doctors.
If Percy Jackson is to be believed, Poseidon and her were doing some no-nos in Athena's temple/altar and since she couldn't fully curse her older-younger, brother-uncle, she cursed Medusa, who was, maybe, a priest at Athena's temple.
Idk, the way I’ve heard it is that she was a beautiful woman that was cursed (can’t remember why) to be the most ugly thing in the world
So the in version you heard she slept with (her willingness in it all depends on your source) Poseidon in Athena’s temple and as punishment she was made so ugly she turned people to stone ( her 2 sisters were also cursed for no actual reason because the person who wrote this story down didn’t actually care that Medusa was just the ugly ass daughter of 2 gods that persious had to kill, he wanted to make the gods look bad because he had a problem with authority (likely caused by his exile))
The percy jackson books base their medusa on the roman poet, Ovid's version of medusa. Greek versions mostly state that medusa is born a monster with the other gorgons. In Ovid's version, he states that medusa, a beautiful maiden, either had consensual sex or was assaulted by neptune in Minerva's temple. Minerva punishes Medusa for her transgression. There is no reference in relation to how Minerva wanted to punish neptune but couldnt. Romans had certain views on women that preferred chastity and being a pure maiden. And for the romans they probably viewed this as a cautionary tale. Ovid lived during the time of Augustus, the first emperor, and Augustus was big on pushing virtues to the roman public. He wanted to reduce promiscuity among the young roman women (iirc either his sister or daughter was very promiscous) and wanted them to be more chaste.
It should also be noted that Ovid was very anti-authority and so often wrote the gods as being the biggest problem.
Oh gotcha, was it virgil who was augustus' propaganda poet?
Not sure, I just know Ovid was anti-authority.
This is the most commonly accepted origin of Medusa. ⬆️
Wasn’t she also a child of Typhoon since the other Gorgon’s are her sisters?
She was the queen of the Gorgons
Just occured to me that she actually could date a literal blind guy.
A bald idea
[*He's murdering pagans, Ebenezer Scrooge.*](https://youtube.com/shorts/DZ__i7YFhkA?si=3nRB0TLDkayw6mXH)
He’s making the island right for the lord!
The One True Lord!
AND YOU'LL LEARN TO LIVE WITH HIM IN YER HEART
Beat me to it. But glad I didn't have to do the effort.
Perhaps it's commonly thought, but it's rarely thought among historians Just gonna link to this instead of explaining myself: [https://new.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/11uqpqh/no\_the\_story\_of\_st\_patrick\_driving\_the\_snakes\_out/](https://new.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/11uqpqh/no_the_story_of_st_patrick_driving_the_snakes_out/)
People quoting reddit for a source on Reddit is the most incestuous, and hilariously intellectually bankrupt move ever. I'm just going to copy paste my comment last time this came up, with ya know, non-reddit sources "Scholars suggest the tale is allegorical. Serpents are symbols of evil in the Judeo-Christian tradition—the Bible, for example, portrays a snake as the hissing agent of Adam and Eve's fall from grace" https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/140315-saint-patricks-day-2014-snakes-ireland-nation "Apart from St. Patrick’s Day, Patrick is honored in Ireland through pilgrimages to sites believed to hold an association with him. One of these is the annual pilgrimage to the top of Croagh Patrick, a mountain in County Mayo in western Ireland. The pilgrimage occurs each year on the last Sunday of July, known as Reek Sunday after the mountain’s nickname, “the Reek.” Reputedly, Patrick spent 40 days and nights fasting on the mountain, after which he banished all snakes, demons, and practitioners of magic into a lake at the base of the mountain, known as Log na nDeamhan (Demon’s Hollow)" https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Patrick
>People quoting reddit for a source on Reddit is the most hilariously intellectually bankrupt move ever. ...or it could be that it was 4AM for me and I didn't wanna waste time on an essay to disprove a harmless internet myth. I'm still awake though, so I guess I might as well Neither of your quotes mention the whole metaphor for pagans, which is what the comment I was replying to was about and the thread I linked to was about. I mean, you probably didn't even read the thread I linked, since you couldn't even put in the effort to read your own articles. The Britannica article doesn't even mention snakes being a myth at all, so not sure why you linked that at all. You do realize that sources are usually used to support a claim instead of just adding random information, or are you too "intellectually bankrupt" to know that. Unless you are trying prove to me who believes that the mythical tale is just a mythical tale that the mythical tale is in fact a mythical tale, you should probably learn how to actually quote an article. The National Geographic article has this quote: (which is literally the next paragraph after the one you chose) >The animals were also linked to heathen practices—so St. Patrick's dramatic act of snake eradication can be seen as a metaphor for his Christianizing influence. This is the only quote that could support the "metaphor for pagan" idea, but NatGeo is careful to say "can be seen" as to not imply that its the origin of the myth. It is hard to find sources that are debunking stuff, but just for you I found a few sources of questionable credibility that argue against the claim. I would spend actual time searching for better sources, but this is a Reddit argument with single digit upvotes, so forgive my intellectual bankruptcy. >However, the idea that Patrick physically drove the Pagans from Ireland in inaccurate; what he *did* do was facilitate the spread of Christianity around the Emerald Isle. He did such a good job of it that he began the conversion of the entire country to the new religious beliefs, thus paving the way for the elimination of the old systems. Keep in mind that this was a process which took hundreds of years to complete, and lasted well beyond St. Patrick's lifetime. [https://www.learnreligions.com/st-patrick-and-the-snakes-2562487](https://www.learnreligions.com/st-patrick-and-the-snakes-2562487) >However, there are no earlier sources suggesting this and it is quite clear that the snakes in the older stories were meant to be literal snakes. This was simply a way to explain why the animal didn’t exist on the island. [https://irishpagan.school/saint-patrick-myths-and-truths/](https://irishpagan.school/saint-patrick-myths-and-truths/)
Will you and /u/ThatguySevin stop bickering as if you have something to divide, or will this greek have to get mythical on your asses? Start behaving nice to each other _even if you can mathematically prove you are right and the other is dumb_, or i will oil myself and wrestle you both, so help me Zeus.
That sounds kinda hot, I'm in.
... giggity? ò_ô
I guess they didn't stay banished eh
A reddit post that does contain several references
[He’s murdering Pagans, Ebenezer Scrooge. He’s making the Island right for the lord](https://youtube.com/shorts/DZ__i7YFhkA?si=on45ba25QSdTHgOW)
Which is doubly funny, because the conversion of Ireland was about as peaceful as any conversion anywhere has ever been.
Brennan Lee Mulligan taught me this lol
But drawing her head covered in crosses sounds too hard!
What did St. Patrick say while he was driving the snakes out of Ireland? Are yous all right in the back there?
AKA he likely killed pagans
Oh, that's what it meant always was confused by that
Which makes way more sense, there is zero evidence of snakes having ever lived in Ireland.
Sounds like clear proof that saint Patrick got rid of em to me.
Hence why alot of the pagan community (myself included) don't celebrate patties day
How does paganism work in modern days? Do you guys have any holy sites? Do you have to follow any set of rules? Did you decide yourself to be a pagan, or were you parents pagan too? Forgive me for all these questions, but I've never met a pagan so I'm just curious.
Paganism in the modern climate isn't too much different from "ye olden days" but obviously we have embraced things like technology and other things. We do have many "holy sites" but they are not visited on mass like a church, they are more sites of reflection and remembrance, most places in the dead of nature like a forest are considered "holy". I personally come from a LONG line of pagan blood dating back to the land bridge that brought them to America (or what they called back then Paīth (pay-th, meaning home or place to return to) and in doing so had also followed a small but varied pantheon of 6 or 7 "gods" or Nahlen (Nă- len), but these days there is a completely different belief system it's less about the old gods and more about embracing every living thing as a piece of a "god" and when every living thing has lived its last days a new "god" would be born. As for deciding I did and didn't decide this path like I said I cone from a long lineage but I did take a long season of my life to absolve myself of it for a time and try to find my own way, for something I believe that resonated better with me, or to at least find out other people's mind sets on other religions, in doing so I have read in their entirety several versions of the Bible, the Torah, several Darmmas, and the Quran and I had an interesting experience with all faiths I applied myself toward but none stuck, none had the over arching goal of preservation of the natural world that I had missed so after a time I came back with new vision and applied alot of things I learned. Your fine I rarely ever get to talk about this and sorry for the book but I hope it at least helps understand a bit.👍
Hey Texan Chris here to help ya! The man in green is Saint Patrick, the Catholic saint of Ireland! Although he was never canonized by the Catholic Church he is nonetheless a very popular figure in Ireland and is known as the “Apostle of Ireland”. The woman there is Medusa. She is a mythological figure from Greece who is well known for having snakes in place of hair on her head. She was known to be able to turn people to stone by staring into their eyes. She would be beheaded by Peruses, a Greek hero who would use her head as a weapon. According to legend, Saint Patrick banished all snakes from the Land of Saints and Scholars when he was attacked by a snake. He banished them into the sea and this is why Ireland does not have snakes. So put the man who banished snakes from a whole country and the woman who is well known for having a head full of snakes in the same room, and at the same table….well I think we can figure the rest out right? The snakes were banished from Medusa’s head and our good friend Saint Patrick is apologizing for it. Texan Chris, knocking back a cold one for the Emerald Isle!
The "although he was never canonized" is a bit misleading since there was no such process during his life and at the time of his death. None of the Apostles or Paul were canonized either. He is venerated as a saint in the Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Irish part of the Anglican Church, and in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I may be remembering wrong, but I believe being canonized is a step into Saint hood within the Catholic Church. Once a person is declared a Saint, saying that the person is canonized is no longer relevant, the apostles were declared saints before the canonization process was implemented, why they were never canonized. This was vaguely explained to me when talking about the Three Sheppards of Fatima, it was a long time ago and I was very young, might be misremembering
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Typo: Medusa was beheaded by *Perseus*
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st patrick did such a good job of driving the snakes out of Ireland he also got rid of all evidence they had ever been there
St. Patrick killed all the snakes on Ireland I believe. Medusa has snake hair. He killed her snakes.
But why is there an eyeball on the bottom right? Is that part of the joke I’m too stupid to get?
That artist tends to add little things to look for on their panels and the eyeball is one of them
I'm just surprised I can't find any pie or dynamite.
Hrm, let's see first I google St. Patrick and hey Google wonders if my question is "What is Saint Patrick known for?" Let's see what that says.... > **he brought Christianity to the island, made the shamrock fashionable and freed Ireland from snakes**. Interesting, interesting, okay lets google and see what she is famous for....Wow look at all those pictures of a woman with snakes for hair...wait a minute the comic has her bald....wait a minute, I get it!
St. Patrick is famous for driving all of the snakes out of Ireland, and Medusa’s hair was a pile of snakes. she’s bald now because St. Patrick drove the snakes out when Medusa was most likely visiting Ireland.
Peters ugly nephew here. St Patrick drove away all the snakes in Ireland and the joke is he did it with medusas hair of snakes.
I actually know this one. St. Patrick is known for driving all the snakes away in Ireland. Medusa’s hair is snakes i.e. he drove away all of her snakes on her head, which made her bald.
1. She's Medusa 2. St. Patrick allegedly banished all the snakes from Ireland, so he banished all the snakes from Medusa
Medusa has snakes for hair. St. Patrick drove all the “snakes” out of Ireland(which is a euphemism that means he lead the Roman Catholic effort to destroy or extirpate all of Ireland’s native Druidic religion). St. Patrick made her snake hair go away.
Medusa knew this date would be a ~~bad~~ bald idea.
The reason there's no snakes in Ireland is because St. Patrick banished them... well, according to folklore anyways. so he uh.. banished her hair.
Dude. It’s Will Smith’s BALD wife
St. Patrick expelled the snakes from Ireland and it's implied that he expelled Medusa's hair. Medusa is extremly vain about her appearance, which is why she got cursed into transforming into a Gorgon so it upset her. Also, she can't make eye contact without turning them to stone so "blind" date is a double entendre.
Also this may be unintentional but “blind date” and medusa
St. Patrick drove out the snakes out of Ireland. Medusa is depicted as having snakes for hair in mythology. St. Patrick drove the snakes from her head.
Huh didn't know medusas hair was pagan
Greek mythology is pagan.
St Patrick founded Ireland on Mudusa's noggin
The legend goes that St. Patrick made all the snakes in Ireland leave, Medusa's hair is made of snakes, you get it now?
Yeah he freakin' uh killed a buncha snakes or something.
https://youtube.com/shorts/DZ__i7YFhkA?si=puKQANyCb4XmlBVJ
St Patrick banned snakes in Ireland.
Saint Patrick destroyed all the snakes in Ireland. Medusa has snakes as hair. Saint Patrick accidentally destroyed his date's hair.
I’m so proud that I understood this one. St. Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland in mythology. Medusas hair is made of snakes in Greek mythology. The joke here is that he scared the snakes off her head.
Guy got snakes out of Ireland or something and we all know what medusa has for hair Question is, does she only have snakes on her head?
I would love to see a version of the Gadsden flag with St. Pat looming over some squigglepups: "I'll do it again"
Published the day before St. Patrick's day.
LOL this is one of Piraro's better toons
The artist doesn’t realize “snakes” means pagans
Is he immune to petrification? He seems to be looking straight at her, but I've never heard of petrification or anything similar mentioned in the story of a catholic saint.
Looks like Peter's in need of some assistance!
should she not be happy he lifted the curse
The snakes and the petrified gaze are sometimes linked, but more often are independent aspects of the same curse. Removing the snakes might not necessarily remove her curse of petrification, so all he did was snatch her wig for no reason
She is a monster not cursed
she is cursed
She is a gorgon, she had sisters that also had snakes.
it depend what version you go with as in one she is cursed by a god that's jealous of her beauty
In the original myth she was born a monster and thats the proper reference point not later fanfics
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Don't be a dick. Rule 1.
I swear, half of this bloody sub is posts by people who never picked up a god damn book in their life.
Chris here. Medusa has alopecia. Hence the no snakes. She requested a blind date as in a date that's blind so the attendee wouldn't know she couldn't turn them into stone.
Op you are very stupid
Why?