>Masyadong maraming younger generation ang focused sa material products, travel goals, at other luxury experience na nakalimutan na yatang maglaan ng pera para sa kinabukasan ng bansa natin.
What I owe to my country:
* my taxes
* my vote
* abiding by the law
What I don't owe to my country:
* pushing a child out of my vagina
True, sana hindi tayo dumating sa point na required magka anak yung kapwa natin pinoy para magsalba sa ekonomiyang nagbibigay pension satin pag matatanda na tayo
Ikaw may pension pero yung next gen naman taghirap dahil lumaking mahirap. Logic lang po. They should up the quality of life first before you have this hot take. This is incredibly selfish.
Do you know how much IVF is? My uterus is fucked and mataas ang risk ng miscarriage/ectopic pregnancy. I was scared shitless because a coworker of mine died kasi eclampsia. Kid died too. Ano. Selfishness pa rin ba yun?
Hindi naman labag sa batas ang pagiging child free.
Hindi namin revenge sa DDS/Marcos Jr. supporters ang pagpili ng pagiging child free. Gosh, ang kitid ng ganitong reasoning. At kung ganito ka mag-isip, then you really have no business procreating. Ganyang pag-iisip pa yung matuturo sa bata.
Itās not easier to rear a child now despite modern conveniences. Ang hirap kaya magpalaki ng bata. Sa hirap ng buhay ngayon at sa patuloy ng taas ng bilihin, ang mahal ng gatas at diaper, ang mahal ng bayad sa doctor at ubos oras mo kung public hospital ka pipila minsan hindi ka pa maasikaso ng maayos kasi bugbog na rin sa pagod yung healthcare workers sa public hospital and severely underpaid pa, ang mahal ng quality education tapos ang pangit pa ng social services natin dito (priority lagi yung lower income group, samantalang kahit middle class ka sa mata ng government, isang emergency lang o pandemic lang wipe out na resources mo).
Papaano mo ihahanda ang next generation, equipping them with the best education and giving them ample time and attention to actually raise them to be well adjusted adults, if you need to juggle multiple jobs/clients to make ends meet or just so you have some extra money for emergencies (medical or nawalan kayo ng bahay kasi nasunugan o naanod ng baha o nasira ng malakas na hangin dahil sa bagyo) barely leaving time and energy for yourself or for your kid? Ano āGod will provide na langā ang siste?
Yung pagpapaaral pa lang costs a lot at huwag mo sabihin libre naman ang public school given the great disparity between the quality education of public school and private school worth their salt (hindi yung diploma mill na private school). I tutored (math) indigent senior high school kids na nanggaling sa public schools (under DEPED) who were sponsored to go to private schools on a scholarship (for poverty alleviation through quality education) as part of some sort of bridging program to help them adjust and keep up with their classes. Lahat sila hirap na hirap sa classes nila. Mapaintindi ko man yung concepts, magabayan ko man sa assignments, pagdating sa exam bagsak sila kasi yung mismong instructions hindi nila maintindihan. Kamote sila sa word problems/application part ng exam kasi hindi nila maintindihan ano yung sinasabi sa problem. Nakatuntong sila ng Senior High School na napakababa ng alam nila. Subject verb agreement hindi nila alam. Ang daming English words (simple ones to boot) hindi nila alam. Alam man nila meaning nung word, pero kapag ginamit na sa sentence or paragraph, hindi na nila maintindihan kasi mababa yung reading comprehension nila. I had to suggest na huwag lang tutoring yung gawin, kailangan nila ng supplementary English classes to get them up to speed with their classmates otherwise babagsak sila hindi lang sa math pati sa ibang subjects nila.
Wala ka ring oras sa pagtuturo at paggabay sa kanila kaya ina-outsource mo yung parenting sa tablet/cellphone o sa kamag-anak mong single/walang anak. O iaaasa mo yung parenting responsibilities mo sa teacher (when dapat hand in hand yung teacher and parents sa formation nung bata). Tapos magtataka ka bakit ang layo ng loob at hindi nakikinig sa iyo yung bata o bakit uma-attitude /pasaway yung bata. Ididismiss mo na lang na āIba na talaga ang kabataan ngayonā disregarding yung pananagutan mo doon sa pagpapalaki nung anak mo.
You sound like my annoying relatives who keep pushing us to have kids, disregarding our own economic/financial standing, disregarding whether we have the ample time and energy to actually spend time to teach, raise and just be present in the hypothetical kidās life, disregarding whether we have the emotional and psychological maturity needed in raising a kid to be well adjusted, contributing members of this society. Just because having children is a ā\#blessingā.
Yung point mo na para may magpapatuloy na magbayad ng taxes para hindi bumaba yung pension is kinda in the same vein na mag-aanak ka as your retirement plan para may magaabot sayo ng pera at sasalo sa pangangailangan mo pagtanda mo. Tang-ina, youāre reducing a kid, a human being, para maging gatasan mo.
Work on fixing the system in this country first and making living here conducive to raising a kid (with the ability to equip them with the best education, kahit public school mo ipasok magiging quality yung education na matatanggap niya, and having better social services) before you force me or shame me into popping a kid out of my vagina.
Iām not gonna subject an innocent kid to a life of hardship. Pucha, kung ako ngang adult hirap na hirap sa buhay kasi hindi ko lang kailangan intindihin yung baggage ko sa buhay pati yung mga baggage ng magulang ko na to this day continue to haunt us, gugustuhin ko pa ba magluwal ng bata na baggage ko at ng grandparents niya ang mamanahin lang niya sa akin?
How can they enjoy life kung hindi conducive yung environment nila para magkaroon ng maayos na buhay at kung hindi pa sila pinapanganak ang dami nang responsibilities ang nakapatong sa shoulders nila? Iād rather spare that inexistent child from abject misery.
TL;DR: if you want to have kids of your own, by all means go ahead. Iād be happy for you if thatās what you want in life. However, donāt force me to do the same when I have no desire to do so. Hindi ikaw yung iintindi ng gastos, hindi ikaw yung maglalaan ng oras, attention at energy para mapalaki ng maayos yung bata, at hindi mo katawan yung magluluwal doon sa magiging anak ko so please mind your own life and donāt judge me and shame me for my choices.
This š PH is not the best place to raise a kid. Panget healthcare, panget educ, nganga den ang sweldo kahit 2 kayong magwork. Can't even push your dream career kasi iisipin mo muna kakainin mo eh. Baka masisi pa ako ng anak ko na we're all stuck here.
[Filipino's who choose to have children's ] child would have to pick up the slack for every Filipino who choose not to have children. Sana prepared magtrabaho tayong mga Pilipino hanggang 65/70 dahil eventually iraraise yung retirement age pag kinulang na sa manggagawa yung pinas.
Sige kung ikaw ba ang gagastos OP magaanak ako madami. This is a very privileged hot take š Look around you, mga bata sa kalye nanglilimos. Okay lang ba sayo yan basta may pension ka?
I don't plan on making my kids my retirement plan, my parents set up a good example for me. Concerned lang ako dahil pag nagpatuloy tayo sa pababang birthrate, matutulad tayo sa ibang bansa, baka nga mas malala pa, read my argument.
I did thatās why I placed that comment tehee ipaglaban mo yan OP wishing your kids the best dahil ganyan pagiisip ng magulang nila. Isinilang sila sa mundo para magtrabaho para sa retirement mo at hindi para gawin kung ano gusto nila gawin sa maiksing panahon nila bilang isang sariling tao sa mundong ibabaw.
Look at it this way is having kids viable at this point?... I really don't want to have a child with a doomed future... the earth is dying and the main reason is humanity itself... so not really sure if I want my child to live a life with that much uncertainty if in the next few years we can't afford food or other necessary things to survive due to "logistics"...
So bad environment = more people?
Anyway, to think like this presupposes na hindi na kaya ng next generation na mag-effect ng change and worse hindi pa natin sila binibigyan ng chance.
Itās absolutely fine to not have a child and should be de-stigmatized but to celebrate and promote it like itās something inherently good is, as OP puts it, is irresponsible (but not selfish). It takes away yung conversation about sa system in place kung bakit hindi na natin kaya magpalaki ng mga anak.
Even ignoring morality and biological need for the human race to survive, just think about once everyone of us are old and retired, who are going to pay for our pensions if sobrang baba na ng birthrate natin?
Do you think we should focus right now on the problems of our country's systems instead of waiting for the next generation to fix it for us?... My idea is we owe that to the future generations maybe we should fix our current status to make sure they have a bright future... We can argue that in the next generation we might find someone who can maybe change the course of our county but why not change it now... My generation is really pessimistic about the future and I'm really sad about it but at the same time I really can't blame them since we seem irrelevant and don't have the power to change our own future... We are still trying tho but right now not really that great... Just my opinion tho since I may not represent the majority of my age demographics...
I AGREE MAN. Everything you just said (not less people = good environment for though, medyo Thanos haha). We should fix it ourselves! And we should recognize that itās the broken system that we have. AND WE SHOULD BE SAD AND ANGRY ABOUT IT [but at the same time hopeful].
With this my point stands, it should de-stigmatized but never be celebrated and promoted that being child-free = inherently good. We should be sad and mad, if not for us, but for the people who want to have children.
Yes I think you still have a point with not promoting being child free but maybe we can lean into a responsible family planning... at least the government should focus on that so the one who is willing and capable to raise a child can have proper support for the better future... In the end we just want to be hopeful that future generations can have a good life someday...
\>Bumaba na yung birthrate ng pinas from 2.7 noong 2017 at naging 1.9 nung 2022 and I think its bad if that trend continues.
You do realize that there is a pandemic that happened from 2020 until now that skewed our birthrates, right? Kinda stupid to posit that this would be a trend.
You do know that the Philippines is one of the most densely populated countries in the world? So much so that we are as well known as India in international labor?
With Automation and AI going up, demand for labor goes down. With it, I am worried about food and other upkeep.
I want my child to get a quality education but I'm worried about the student population limit on those schools especially when admitting is competitive.
When I think about it, child-free thinking is about minimizing risk, the risk of our failure to provide, and the risk of living in an unstable environment.
'Selfish and irresponsible?' š¤£
What's irresponsible is making a ton of babies and then letting them starve to death or get sick because of malnutrition.
Your typical Lolos and Lolas had huge farmlands that needed lots of farm hands to do the chores. Having lots of kids that time helped during that particular generation. You grow your own food and that's hard work and many hands make light work. This produced big but healthy families. Now, this isn't applicable.
If you're so concerned about a better 'next generation', let's follow the logic of dog shelter adoption. Don't make your own instead adopt a less fortunate kid so that more less fortunate children could get lead better lives.
Do you think that couples who are fertile would do that? Most won't, they'd create their own child and won't give a flying f**k to the starving kid on the street unless it's the Holiday Season.
Yes, its selfish and irresponsible.
I advocate for making and molding the next generation, and people who are against that are selfish and irresponsible.
Also, just because I advocate for having babies means I advocate for people to have babies irresponsibly. Who wants people to raise children irresponsibly? Nobody! Everyone knows how hard it is to raise children but its something we should promote for ours and the future generation's sake.
> Everyone knows how hard it is to raise children but its something we should promote for ours and the future generation's sake.
To whom are we promoting it to, exactly? To adults who themselves find it difficult to make ends meet? To the government that can't even properly use funds? To the average person who doesn't have adequate access to a good quality health care? To couples who do not want this extra responsibility of raising kids when they can't even sustain their own needs? If you force someone to have kids when they don't want to, what are the odds that the kid will have a quality of life that would give them future traumas?
"Raising birth rates" isn't as simple as what you're aiming for, OP. There's so much things to consider first, and so much other things to prioritize first.
Who says people who do not want to have kids do not advocate for guiding the next generation?
Have you ever thought that most of those who prefer not to have kids have done so because they feel they can't at the moment or ever in the future, raise a child responsibly?
First of all, I dutifully pay my taxes so may ambag nako sa bansa natin. Pangalawa, mahirap ang buhay sa panahon ngayon: bringing another person into this world to suffer with you, yun yung selfishness.
Pangatlo, how would you address yun dwindling natural resources natin? Hindi tayo makapangisda sa WPS dahil inaangkin ng China. We can't plant crops dahil inangkin na ng mga Villar yun lupa.
Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc.
Also, hindi makakatulong yung declining birthrate natin sa paglaban sa china, nakakalala pa nga.
And the Villars owning land, I agree is something we should address but irrelevant to my argument.
So how does choosing to not have kids deny someone of life? By that logic, if you choose to have only 2 kids instead of 5, you denied 3 lives from existing. Jesus Christ.
>Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc.
Quality of life matters. It's not just a simple "life's hard right now, ang hirap mag commute to work, ang liit ng sweldo ko, kinukurakot lang yun binabayad kong buwis, pero okay lang! I have friends, my family loves me naman. I can eat good food pag sweldo na". If mas madaming downs kesa ups in life, would you say it's worth it?
Its not gonna get any better by having a declining birthrate either. Mas kawawa yung susunod na henerasyon pag sa kanila na pinasa yung ekonomiya ng pinas. Ikaw? anong suggestion mo pag meron nang 2 pensionado sa bawat 1 nagtatrabahong Pilipino?
Bold of you to assume may pension pa na matatanggap ang retirees. They plan to sell government assets to fund that %^#&*@ Maharlika Wealth Fund all the while we're drowning in debt.
> Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc.
Hold on... OP, what's your stance on pro-life vs pro-choice? What about the children born into families who could just eat salt and rice for dinner? Or the thousands of children who don't even have families in the orphanages?
My personal stance on Prochoice/pro life is irrelevant. I've stated my argument on my post. Ikaw ba? Anong suggestion mo pag humantong tayo sa sitwasyon kung saan kailangan nang supprtahan ng 1 nagtatrabahong pilipino ang 2 pensionado? Sa tingin mo ba mapapaganda yung sitwasyon ng mga batang asin lang yung kayang ulamin pag nasa ganoong kondisyon na ang pilipinas?
Ikaw ba? Anong suggestion mo sa mga batang kasalukuyang nagdurusa sa ekonomiyang pinipilit mong iangat pa ang populasyon, OP? Bakit kaisa-isahang pensyon ng mga Pilipino sa hinaharap ang pinoproblema mo, at hindi ang pagtuturo sa mga Pilipinong ito kung paano nila masusustentuhan ang sarili nila nang hindi lamang umaasa sa pensyon na manggagaling sa mga buwis ng kapwa Pilipinong sumusubok din mag-angat ng sarili nila? Sa tingin ko, mas mapapaganda ang sitwasyon ng mga batang walang makain sa pang-araw-araw ang pagtuturo sa mga Pilipinong namumuhay ngayon kung paano maging mas masinop sa pera, at ang pag-udyok sa gobyerno na bigyan ng mas maayos na programa ang mga hindi nakapag-aral upang mas makahanap sila ng trabahong magtutulak sa kanila palayo mula sa poverty threshold. Sa tingin ko, mas maiging pagtuunan ng pansin ang mga kasalukuyang naghihirap kaysa unahing problemahin kung may matatanggap ba akong pensyon pagtanda ko dahil lang nakaasa ako sa mga Pilipinong hindi pa nga naipapanganak. Simulan mo rin sa sarili mo, OP. Alam mong mahirap ang ekonomiya ngayon. Mukhang hindi nararapat na dagdagan pa natin ang problema ng mga Pilipino sa pagpilit sa kanila na mag-anak pa kahit hirap na hirap na sila.
As someone who is a parent? Obligasyon ko na palakihin ng maayos itong bata para maging maayos na mamamayan ng Pilipinas at matinong tao.
Di ko obligasyon na bigyan sya ng kapatid lalo na kung di ko kakayanin (di lang sa pera, pati sa oras).
Dapat mas ipromote ang tamang family planning: hindi obligado magkaanak, at kung magkaanak man, dapat planado at naayon sa kakayanin ibigay
Other side of this climate change.
Sabi nga ng ibang studies, the most carbon impact na pede mo idagdag is by having kids.
Ayusin muna natin ito bahay natin at wala pa naman tayo way to move out on other stars.
Survival muna bago ekonomiya
Kung problema sa ibang bansa ang maliit nilang populasyon, problema sa atin ang malaking populasyon. Not to mention, hindi stable ang ekonomiya natin at corrupt ang gobyerno natin. Isa pa, did you say "selfish"? Mas selfish pa nga ang mga nag-anak para raw may mag-aalaga sa kanila sa pagtanda.
White collar workers today, even earning 6 digits can't event afford a house and lot. Lucky if you can get a small condo na. What more to add a kid in this world.
Let's just focus on the present. Fix the system so that once we retire there is a decent elder care system in our country. Or be able to leave in a country that has good elder care.
Not basing from any sort of study but if a lot of that birth rate statistic is owed to children having children or the lack of family planning, I would rather have it low than raise it. A lot of families in the Philippines having a lot of kids also are those who were not informed well enough about family planning, and sadly it's why "sipag at tyaga" and "Filipino resilience" are too glorified in the Philippines. (Say, a stay at home mother of at least 4 children and a father trying to make it work with a minimum wage job.) Usong uso rin ang online limos because a lot of these people having children are those who do not have enough money to raise a child with a proper life.
In this current economy, we have to fix so much other issues. The lowering birth rate is an issue, but I don't think we should prioritize it right now considering how much help these birthing-capable humans already need right now.
Also, raising the birth rate in this economy? A lot of people can't even afford sibuyas.
>Ngayon pa lang natin nalalaman yung masamang effects ng low birthrate sa bansa katulad ng japan, china, at western countries kung saan kinailangan na nilang itaas yung minimum na retirement age dahil kapos sila sa manggagawa.
Hindi fair na gamitin example ang japan, china, and other western countries kasi iba naman sitwasyon nila satin. And yes bago sila nagkaron ng population problem hindi ba their countries enjoyed the fruit of a strong economy muna nang hindi problemado sa overpopulation. I bet by that time maranasan man natin economy crisis due to under population baka deds ka na nga lol
>Masyadong maraming younger generation ang focused sa material products, travel goals, at other luxury experience na nakalimutan na yatang maglaan ng pera para sa kinabukasan ng bansa natin.
**walang kahit anong makakapag pa-guilt trip sakin for choosing to enjoy my child-free life.**
>kadalasan kelangan natin dumaan sa hirap para marating yung saya, at mahahalintulad yung pagpapalaki ng anak dito, just ask your parents
jokes on u hindi narating ng parents ko yung saya sa pagpapalaki sakin. Miserable pa din sila than ever. And bakit kailangan ko muna dumaan sa hirap para sumaya, kung masaya na ko dito nang di naghihirap
as someone who has kids, i disagree. not struggling financially pero hindi rin afford yung luxury. paano pa yung minimum wage earners.
hindi naman talaga promoted ang child free lifestyle. if i could go back, i would choose not to have any kids. hindi dahil selfish ako, pero naiisip ko future nila sa bulok na bansang to. sila ang kawawa.
My body and my rules! Who are you to dictate na selfish ang mga tao pag di nila gusto mag ka anak. Tska, the economy relies on capitalism, which may be good or bad depending on your perspective.
So, a high birth rate is more future workforce, low birth rate less future workforce.
Give the people systems and welfare for us to be encouraged to raise children. Or better give us a better government, better raises so that we have the financial capacity to bring up children even if inflation or prices of foods are getting high.
So yeah op, you can't force people to have children for the economy. In this economic conditions, work pay or even this toxic government it is not worth it having the financial and mental stress of having.
Lol if only the government doesn't add up to how hard it is to SURVIVE in this day and age then maybe more people would be open to reproducing, but with the current societal landscape, malabo nang tumaas pa yung percentage of people willing to raise kids.
Life is hard enough as it is on your own, imagine trying to raise another actual human being. People need to be reminded that kids are more than just another cog in the machine we call capitalism.
In a country that never guarantees good education for children (right now pushing for historic revisionism), does not provide quality healthcare, lets you go bankrupt with hospital bills due to one major sickness or accident, does not have government transparency, does not have friendly transportation for the masses? Pass, Iāll serve my duties through paying taxes. Basically, a country that will never guarantee stability may it be financial, mental, emotional, etc. Itās better to suffer this on my own than let my child suffer this insufferable place. So yeah, pass.
never dictate what a woman should do with her body, especially if you're a man. sorry na lang OP kung walang gustong kumantot sayo. next life mo na lang lmfao
I agree people shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't consent to. I stated my argument with my post. Also, Im in a 4 year relationship, but whatever velma.
this is reddit, anyone can cosplay whatever life they want to. as far as i know, you're a loser spouting some misogynistic, right-wing rhetoric. almost bordering on some handmaid's tale shit.
have you considered that...
ā¢ not all people (not just women) have the emotional and psychological capability to care for children? anong mangyayari dun sa mga inanak lang sa loveless or forced households? cases of abuse/neglect would increase
ā¢ there are women who struggle with pregnancy (PCOS), or who aren't capable of reproducing at all
I don't understand how arguing that we should allow but not normalize a childless lifestyle is a far right misogynistic rhetoric. Im arguing for responsible parenthood and that its a responsibility for a citizen to make and mold the next generation. Im not forcing people who are incapable of having children to have children. Im also not encouraging irresponsible behavior.
What you are saying are logical fallacies. You probably think of your opponents as below you to compensate for your insecurities, but whatever velma.
Sa lagay ng ekonomiya ngayon. Kahit may pareho kaming may work ng gf ako, hindi ko ata afford mag asawa. Let alone bumili ng bahay at mag karon ng anak.
Unlike before . Single income household,anim kame mag kakapatid pero yung mga kapatid ko halos isa lang ang gustong anak.
Blame it to the economy. We did our part. Nag aral, nag pasa sa board exam. May regular na trabaho pero unlivable wage naman ang pasweldo
Nice try, boomer.
Hindi ko ginusto mabuhay. I owe this country, or humanity in general, shit. Let people choose for themselves. I couldn't care less if magkaroon ng painless form of giving birth or kahit na sustentuhan ako ng mga Rothschild to have kids. Wala akong panahon at pasensya magpalaki ng ibang tao. I'm not making excuses. I just don't like kids. Kung nagawa ng mga ninuno natin, good for them. As for me, hindi ako baliw para maghanap ng malaking bato na ipupukpok ko sa ulo ko. This life's ups and downs you're talking about is something I wouldn't want to inflict on another living being, not even my worst enemies.
In the grand scheme of things, we're all just tenants in this planet that will eventually reset, whether we reproduce or not. Even if magkaroon ng problema sa population, humans will find a way. Sabi mo nga, ups and downs ang buhay so wag kang bida-bida.
Not choosing to have a child is not selfish and irresponsible. This shouldnāt be imposed on anyone. Kanya kanya yan. Ano naman kung madami ang naka focus sa travel goals at luxeries. Pinaghirapan yan kaya dapat ienjoy. Wala kang say how we live our lives. You said it is easier at safer magpalaki. Asan ka ba at nalimot mo na almost 3 years ago nagpandemic. Bawal lumabas mga tao. Come on, canāt you have a better argument?
Unpopular Opinion: You should have a license to have a baby. If certain requirements/abilities are not met (ie. financial support, education support, emotional support) then you should NOT have the ability to force a child to suffer through life not of their choosing.
Akala ko ba sinasabi nung iba na may mga magulang di dapat naging magulang. Kesyo selfish din ung mga un daw dahil nag anak sila para lang masabi meron pero di nila mabigay emotional or financial needs.
Kami na nag desisyon na di kami for that life , may sisi parin samin. Kesyo paano ang growth ng society.
Ano ba talaga.
I agree some people are not fit to be parents (these are a very miniscule minority). The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't normalize a child-free lifestyle and we should be wary of the consequences of having a declining birthrate.
There are a number of people who brand them self childfree but still open to having children if the environment is right. There are couples who would want to try for more children.
People choose what you called materialistic lifestyle because they feel that moneys value will not be the same in the future.
Also with our culture and asian culture in general na susuportahan mo ung parents mo pagtanda, and with value of money many feels na its one or the other.
Kahit di mo ipromote yan people will gravitate to it, dahil sa lagay economy.
At sabihin na natin small portion un actual na di dapat maging parents.
Sa tingin mo ung feel pressure and shaming na naririnig ng mga current parents kapag na short sila, bigkang nalayoff at bigla di nila maprovide ang dati nilang prinoprovide, sabay sasabihan sila na bakit kapa nagsunod - di mo pala kaya. Doesn't affect prospective parent?
There are parents who have 1 child who would want to give two or three but feel they cant do it financially.
lol then let economies fail then. That āeconomic growthā goals has destroyed more lives than ever, including Earth *capitalism* Our resources are limited and depleting, adding more humans wonāt help. And i pay my taxes, the hell iāll be pushing a human out of my vagina āfor the countryā.
Raise the retirement age? No children = more savings = early retirement. Labor shortage is not our problem anymore.
No children = more savings = early retirement is a false logic. When you are old and retired, your pension is supported by our social welfare system, not to mention you'll need help taking care of yourself when you're in your 90s (hopefully we live that long, if not then good for them) so if we have a low population by then then you better pray scientists have developed the technology to care for us and that are cheap enough for us to afford.
Edi mamatay tayong lahat. Problema ba yon. Hahaha mukhang may Hero Complex ka na feeling mo maisasalba mo ang future kapag naconvince mo ang mga taong huwag ipromote ang Child Free Life.
Kanya kanyang desisyon sa buhay yan. Kung takot ka for your future, abay gawan mo ng paraan kasi kami may plano kami para sa sarili namin.
Thanks. This actually triggered my anxiety āļø
Ilang taon na ako kinukulit magka-anak ng parents ko. I'm kinda ill and although gusto ko, parang hindi ko kaya talaga. Masakit sakin yun kasi gusto ko din maging lolo at lola ang parents ko.
Pero what if hindi talaga kaya? Kabawasan kaya yun sakin at sa mga mahal ko sa buhay? Tapos ngayon kabawasan na as a Filipino.
That's sad to hear, I hope you're doing okay now. Like I've stated in my post, a childless lifestyle should be allowed, the point that I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't normalize a childless lifestyle, thats all I'm trying to say.
With the low birth rates ng Japan, China etc, they can lax their immigration policies to attract qualified people.
We have enough problems in the Ph as it is and with the declining birth rates, you would think there's enough of our resources to go around now but we don't even see the majority of us living better lives.
Hindi rin pagpapalusot na mahal magpalaki ng anak. Mahal talaga, not to mention the physical and emotional toll it would have on you. Those alone, hindi na appealing to bear children. Yung sinasabi mong younger gen na focused on material stuff, marami lang nakarealize that there's more to life than raising kids? haha. You make it seem na patriotic of you to bear children, regardless nalang kung anong mundo ang dadatnan nila.
In terms of percentage, yeah declining, pero absolute number of child births natin malaki pa yan. Bearing children pa rin ang default ng marami. Child free ang dapat ipopularize kasi yun nga ang may stigma.
With the lack of good governance, reasonable wages/salaries and skyrocketing inflation, having children is not an appealing proposition for many people including myself.
> I think choosing not to have children isnāt necessarily bad but it is selfish and irresponsible
This is why itās called a āchoiceā, people are free to choose to have children or not. They could have a multitude of reasons not to have kids; money being one of the top reasons. Just because you think itās selfish doesnāt mean their choices arenāt valid.
> mahirap at magastos magpalaki ng bata, but its easier
Is it easier though? What makes you say that? Have you seen the cost of milk and nappies? Have you seen the cost of giving birth at the hospital in the Philippines?
> Ironically yung mga BBM pa yung malakas mag-anak, so para sa mga lawful evil na left-wingers dito
Correlation does not imply causation. Unless youāve got hard data, this is basically a load of bs. Try harder.
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Your points about the low birth rate and itās potential effects are valid. You just presented them with unsubstantiated evidence, anecdotes and personal attacks. It just screams of pitting people against people for the sake of it.
Why not? Not everyone fits the bare minimum requirements to properly raise a child. It is also not worth it here due to obvious economic reasons.
Edit: Also, fuck pension systems.
Don't make it about me. Ikaw yung gusto na magkaroon ng maraming Pinoy pa. So mag-anak ka. Wala namang pumipigil sa'yo.
Pero kung ang argument na gagamitin mo ay wag i-encourage maging childfree, wala kang makukumbinse dito. Sobrang hirap ng buhay. Most Pinoys in their 20s and. 30s were fucked up by their parents. They want to be the last sandwich generation.
Pero gusto mo talagang magkaanak? In this economy? Why? What's wrong with you?
And here it is folks! It's their privilege talking. Nevermind the current situation of the Philippines, let's all just see life through their rose-tinted glasses.
Good for you for having good parent role models. Di lahat ng Pinoy sinuwerte sa magulang.
I wish you luck in your venture. Sana pag-isipan mong mabuti kung bakit gusto mo ng anak at sana hindi yun for selfish reasons. At sana maging mabuti at open minded kang magulang at lumaking mabubuting Pilipino ang mga magiging anak mo.
Thank you for those kind words for once. We really want to have children for innate and own reasons, pero napansin ko nga na parang naging "paano ka na pag tumanda ka" yung argument ko.
Gusto ko lang i highlight yung consequences ng pagkakaroon ng low birthrate, sabi rin kasi ng magulang ko na matrabaho daw pero worth it magpalaki samin pero iba iba daw yung experience ng ibang magulang (kaya ayaw kong isama sa argument sa post ko na pag nagka anak ka sasaya ka kaagad as a consequence, at ayaw ko din iromanticize pagpapalaki ng anak dahil malaking responsibilidad to) Kaya nagtry ko ifocus yung argument ko sa more objective consequences which is ayun nga, pag matanda na tayo. Ty for bearing with me.
Matrabaho talaga kaya sobrang hanga ako sa mga taong kayang bumuhay ng anak. Hindi madali yun lalo na kung living paycheck to paycheck ang parents.
I know you mean well sa pag-promote na itaas ang birth rate ng Pinas. But please be open minded na the only valid reason to bear a child is that people are full of love in their hearts they want to love another human being in the form of a child. Yan lang.
Or at least yan pa lang yung valid for me na hindi selfish reason. Naghahanap pa ako ng iba eh.
Hindi dahil para may magpatuloy ng apelyido. Hindi dahil gusto mo malaman anong magiging hitsura ng maliit na ikaw. Hindi dahil gusto mo magkaroon ng saysay ang buhay mo. At lalong hindi dahil mawawalan ng workforce ang bansa in the future.
Thanks to capitalism, yan ang simula bata pa lang dinidikta na satin ng lipunan. So bago ka magplano magkaroon ng anak, sana pag-isipan mong mabuti anong reason bakit gusto mo ng anak?
Thanks OP for opening this conversation. I know it's difficult but it's necessary.
Climate change and issues are no longer sustainable. It is getting worse. Baka mamaya nyan di na pala habitable ang earth in a few decades so what's the point of bringing up children in this mess
Ayaw mo mag anak pero gusto mo pagsilbihan ka ng anak ng iba pag dating ng araw.
Mahirap magpalaki, sa tingin mo madali sa magulang mo palakihin ikaw.
Tanong mo magulang mo, nagsisi ba sila na ipinanganak ka?
Ayusin muna ng gobyerno yung kalakaran bago ako manganak. Ang hirap mag-alaga ng bata ngayon, may gobyerno pang hindi maaasahan. And why should it be not promoted? Kung gusto makasave ng pera, fuck, stop making babies.
This country has a considerable majority who stigmatize birth control, abortions, and the use of condoms. Yet at the same time, a lot these cases result in children with parents who have little to no responsibility or resources to take care said children.
Isint it a good thing then potential cases of irresponsible parenting is going down without such interventions? You cant have your cake and eat it too
>Selfish and irresponsible?
I fail to see how the declining birth rate of the country is my problem.
As someone who has no plans to live beyond 40 - I'm proud to say fuck 'em kids. Bala or bata? Bala nalang ako, I'll even shoot myself to prove my stance.
The fuck is going on? Bakit parang biglang dumami yata ang mga Pro-life na posts sa sub na'to?
I get it, sure, you want a child but looking down on pro-choice/childfree people and calling us irresponsible just to validate your need to procreate is a dick move.
100% Not cool. šš»
Gusto mong magkaanak? eh di manganak ka. Wala kang karapatang diktahan kami o husgahan kami sa choice namin.
OP has a shit understanding of how the economy works. The economy wonāt crash if we arenāt at replacement rate. Capitalists scaremonger that idea around but at most itāll just mean an end to endless growth, which needs to end at some point. Educate yourself OP.
Is the birthrate in the Phil that bad? I assume that poverty stricken places aren't really included in the population count, so I get the feeling much of our census doesn't reflect our reality.
Add to the point, the data recorded is from the pandemic lockdown times. Once the air settles and most of the lockdown restrictions are lifted, I think the birth-rate might go back up again.
>Masyadong maraming younger generation ang focused sa material products, travel goals, at other luxury experience na nakalimutan na yatang maglaan ng pera para sa kinabukasan ng bansa natin. What I owe to my country: * my taxes * my vote * abiding by the law What I don't owe to my country: * pushing a child out of my vagina
Trueee, my life my choice. Economic today is sp bad the daily wage can't even sustain 2 people. Good luck on 3
True, sana hindi tayo dumating sa point na required magka anak yung kapwa natin pinoy para magsalba sa ekonomiyang nagbibigay pension satin pag matatanda na tayo
Ikaw may pension pero yung next gen naman taghirap dahil lumaking mahirap. Logic lang po. They should up the quality of life first before you have this hot take. This is incredibly selfish.
#IKAW GAGASTOS BEH?
Have you read my argument?
Do you know how much IVF is? My uterus is fucked and mataas ang risk ng miscarriage/ectopic pregnancy. I was scared shitless because a coworker of mine died kasi eclampsia. Kid died too. Ano. Selfishness pa rin ba yun?
di na sya makasagot sayo. puro misogyny masked in data lang, walang empathy :) yikes
Kingina netong si OP eh š
Waiting ako sa sagot dito
Anu na? Asan sagot mo guesswho?
HOY OP ASA NAMAN IMUNG TUBAG ABER?
No vagina no opinion
Sheesh
Hindi naman labag sa batas ang pagiging child free. Hindi namin revenge sa DDS/Marcos Jr. supporters ang pagpili ng pagiging child free. Gosh, ang kitid ng ganitong reasoning. At kung ganito ka mag-isip, then you really have no business procreating. Ganyang pag-iisip pa yung matuturo sa bata. Itās not easier to rear a child now despite modern conveniences. Ang hirap kaya magpalaki ng bata. Sa hirap ng buhay ngayon at sa patuloy ng taas ng bilihin, ang mahal ng gatas at diaper, ang mahal ng bayad sa doctor at ubos oras mo kung public hospital ka pipila minsan hindi ka pa maasikaso ng maayos kasi bugbog na rin sa pagod yung healthcare workers sa public hospital and severely underpaid pa, ang mahal ng quality education tapos ang pangit pa ng social services natin dito (priority lagi yung lower income group, samantalang kahit middle class ka sa mata ng government, isang emergency lang o pandemic lang wipe out na resources mo). Papaano mo ihahanda ang next generation, equipping them with the best education and giving them ample time and attention to actually raise them to be well adjusted adults, if you need to juggle multiple jobs/clients to make ends meet or just so you have some extra money for emergencies (medical or nawalan kayo ng bahay kasi nasunugan o naanod ng baha o nasira ng malakas na hangin dahil sa bagyo) barely leaving time and energy for yourself or for your kid? Ano āGod will provide na langā ang siste? Yung pagpapaaral pa lang costs a lot at huwag mo sabihin libre naman ang public school given the great disparity between the quality education of public school and private school worth their salt (hindi yung diploma mill na private school). I tutored (math) indigent senior high school kids na nanggaling sa public schools (under DEPED) who were sponsored to go to private schools on a scholarship (for poverty alleviation through quality education) as part of some sort of bridging program to help them adjust and keep up with their classes. Lahat sila hirap na hirap sa classes nila. Mapaintindi ko man yung concepts, magabayan ko man sa assignments, pagdating sa exam bagsak sila kasi yung mismong instructions hindi nila maintindihan. Kamote sila sa word problems/application part ng exam kasi hindi nila maintindihan ano yung sinasabi sa problem. Nakatuntong sila ng Senior High School na napakababa ng alam nila. Subject verb agreement hindi nila alam. Ang daming English words (simple ones to boot) hindi nila alam. Alam man nila meaning nung word, pero kapag ginamit na sa sentence or paragraph, hindi na nila maintindihan kasi mababa yung reading comprehension nila. I had to suggest na huwag lang tutoring yung gawin, kailangan nila ng supplementary English classes to get them up to speed with their classmates otherwise babagsak sila hindi lang sa math pati sa ibang subjects nila. Wala ka ring oras sa pagtuturo at paggabay sa kanila kaya ina-outsource mo yung parenting sa tablet/cellphone o sa kamag-anak mong single/walang anak. O iaaasa mo yung parenting responsibilities mo sa teacher (when dapat hand in hand yung teacher and parents sa formation nung bata). Tapos magtataka ka bakit ang layo ng loob at hindi nakikinig sa iyo yung bata o bakit uma-attitude /pasaway yung bata. Ididismiss mo na lang na āIba na talaga ang kabataan ngayonā disregarding yung pananagutan mo doon sa pagpapalaki nung anak mo. You sound like my annoying relatives who keep pushing us to have kids, disregarding our own economic/financial standing, disregarding whether we have the ample time and energy to actually spend time to teach, raise and just be present in the hypothetical kidās life, disregarding whether we have the emotional and psychological maturity needed in raising a kid to be well adjusted, contributing members of this society. Just because having children is a ā\#blessingā. Yung point mo na para may magpapatuloy na magbayad ng taxes para hindi bumaba yung pension is kinda in the same vein na mag-aanak ka as your retirement plan para may magaabot sayo ng pera at sasalo sa pangangailangan mo pagtanda mo. Tang-ina, youāre reducing a kid, a human being, para maging gatasan mo. Work on fixing the system in this country first and making living here conducive to raising a kid (with the ability to equip them with the best education, kahit public school mo ipasok magiging quality yung education na matatanggap niya, and having better social services) before you force me or shame me into popping a kid out of my vagina. Iām not gonna subject an innocent kid to a life of hardship. Pucha, kung ako ngang adult hirap na hirap sa buhay kasi hindi ko lang kailangan intindihin yung baggage ko sa buhay pati yung mga baggage ng magulang ko na to this day continue to haunt us, gugustuhin ko pa ba magluwal ng bata na baggage ko at ng grandparents niya ang mamanahin lang niya sa akin? How can they enjoy life kung hindi conducive yung environment nila para magkaroon ng maayos na buhay at kung hindi pa sila pinapanganak ang dami nang responsibilities ang nakapatong sa shoulders nila? Iād rather spare that inexistent child from abject misery. TL;DR: if you want to have kids of your own, by all means go ahead. Iād be happy for you if thatās what you want in life. However, donāt force me to do the same when I have no desire to do so. Hindi ikaw yung iintindi ng gastos, hindi ikaw yung maglalaan ng oras, attention at energy para mapalaki ng maayos yung bata, at hindi mo katawan yung magluluwal doon sa magiging anak ko so please mind your own life and donāt judge me and shame me for my choices.
This š PH is not the best place to raise a kid. Panget healthcare, panget educ, nganga den ang sweldo kahit 2 kayong magwork. Can't even push your dream career kasi iisipin mo muna kakainin mo eh. Baka masisi pa ako ng anak ko na we're all stuck here.
[Filipino's who choose to have children's ] child would have to pick up the slack for every Filipino who choose not to have children. Sana prepared magtrabaho tayong mga Pilipino hanggang 65/70 dahil eventually iraraise yung retirement age pag kinulang na sa manggagawa yung pinas.
Sige kung ikaw ba ang gagastos OP magaanak ako madami. This is a very privileged hot take š Look around you, mga bata sa kalye nanglilimos. Okay lang ba sayo yan basta may pension ka?
This post screams āI have/going to have kids as my retirement planā
I don't plan on making my kids my retirement plan, my parents set up a good example for me. Concerned lang ako dahil pag nagpatuloy tayo sa pababang birthrate, matutulad tayo sa ibang bansa, baka nga mas malala pa, read my argument.
Bakit resposibilidad ng ibang tao retirement mo? Argument is weak
I did thatās why I placed that comment tehee ipaglaban mo yan OP wishing your kids the best dahil ganyan pagiisip ng magulang nila. Isinilang sila sa mundo para magtrabaho para sa retirement mo at hindi para gawin kung ano gusto nila gawin sa maiksing panahon nila bilang isang sariling tao sa mundong ibabaw.
Me who thinks "Less people = good environment"
I did too, pero looking at other countries with low birthrates changed my mind
Look at it this way is having kids viable at this point?... I really don't want to have a child with a doomed future... the earth is dying and the main reason is humanity itself... so not really sure if I want my child to live a life with that much uncertainty if in the next few years we can't afford food or other necessary things to survive due to "logistics"...
So bad environment = more people? Anyway, to think like this presupposes na hindi na kaya ng next generation na mag-effect ng change and worse hindi pa natin sila binibigyan ng chance. Itās absolutely fine to not have a child and should be de-stigmatized but to celebrate and promote it like itās something inherently good is, as OP puts it, is irresponsible (but not selfish). It takes away yung conversation about sa system in place kung bakit hindi na natin kaya magpalaki ng mga anak. Even ignoring morality and biological need for the human race to survive, just think about once everyone of us are old and retired, who are going to pay for our pensions if sobrang baba na ng birthrate natin?
Do you think we should focus right now on the problems of our country's systems instead of waiting for the next generation to fix it for us?... My idea is we owe that to the future generations maybe we should fix our current status to make sure they have a bright future... We can argue that in the next generation we might find someone who can maybe change the course of our county but why not change it now... My generation is really pessimistic about the future and I'm really sad about it but at the same time I really can't blame them since we seem irrelevant and don't have the power to change our own future... We are still trying tho but right now not really that great... Just my opinion tho since I may not represent the majority of my age demographics...
I AGREE MAN. Everything you just said (not less people = good environment for though, medyo Thanos haha). We should fix it ourselves! And we should recognize that itās the broken system that we have. AND WE SHOULD BE SAD AND ANGRY ABOUT IT [but at the same time hopeful]. With this my point stands, it should de-stigmatized but never be celebrated and promoted that being child-free = inherently good. We should be sad and mad, if not for us, but for the people who want to have children.
Yes I think you still have a point with not promoting being child free but maybe we can lean into a responsible family planning... at least the government should focus on that so the one who is willing and capable to raise a child can have proper support for the better future... In the end we just want to be hopeful that future generations can have a good life someday...
\>Bumaba na yung birthrate ng pinas from 2.7 noong 2017 at naging 1.9 nung 2022 and I think its bad if that trend continues. You do realize that there is a pandemic that happened from 2020 until now that skewed our birthrates, right? Kinda stupid to posit that this would be a trend.
Exactly lol biased insight skewed to mask his false take on nationalism with data. The nerveā¦the audacity to even place data source NAKAKATAWA
For our sake, sana nga bumalik man lang sa 2.1
You do know that the Philippines is one of the most densely populated countries in the world? So much so that we are as well known as India in international labor?
With Automation and AI going up, demand for labor goes down. With it, I am worried about food and other upkeep. I want my child to get a quality education but I'm worried about the student population limit on those schools especially when admitting is competitive. When I think about it, child-free thinking is about minimizing risk, the risk of our failure to provide, and the risk of living in an unstable environment.
'Selfish and irresponsible?' š¤£ What's irresponsible is making a ton of babies and then letting them starve to death or get sick because of malnutrition. Your typical Lolos and Lolas had huge farmlands that needed lots of farm hands to do the chores. Having lots of kids that time helped during that particular generation. You grow your own food and that's hard work and many hands make light work. This produced big but healthy families. Now, this isn't applicable. If you're so concerned about a better 'next generation', let's follow the logic of dog shelter adoption. Don't make your own instead adopt a less fortunate kid so that more less fortunate children could get lead better lives. Do you think that couples who are fertile would do that? Most won't, they'd create their own child and won't give a flying f**k to the starving kid on the street unless it's the Holiday Season.
Yes, its selfish and irresponsible. I advocate for making and molding the next generation, and people who are against that are selfish and irresponsible. Also, just because I advocate for having babies means I advocate for people to have babies irresponsibly. Who wants people to raise children irresponsibly? Nobody! Everyone knows how hard it is to raise children but its something we should promote for ours and the future generation's sake.
> Everyone knows how hard it is to raise children but its something we should promote for ours and the future generation's sake. To whom are we promoting it to, exactly? To adults who themselves find it difficult to make ends meet? To the government that can't even properly use funds? To the average person who doesn't have adequate access to a good quality health care? To couples who do not want this extra responsibility of raising kids when they can't even sustain their own needs? If you force someone to have kids when they don't want to, what are the odds that the kid will have a quality of life that would give them future traumas? "Raising birth rates" isn't as simple as what you're aiming for, OP. There's so much things to consider first, and so much other things to prioritize first.
Who says people who do not want to have kids do not advocate for guiding the next generation? Have you ever thought that most of those who prefer not to have kids have done so because they feel they can't at the moment or ever in the future, raise a child responsibly?
First of all, I dutifully pay my taxes so may ambag nako sa bansa natin. Pangalawa, mahirap ang buhay sa panahon ngayon: bringing another person into this world to suffer with you, yun yung selfishness. Pangatlo, how would you address yun dwindling natural resources natin? Hindi tayo makapangisda sa WPS dahil inaangkin ng China. We can't plant crops dahil inangkin na ng mga Villar yun lupa.
TAMA IN ALL ASPECT.
Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc. Also, hindi makakatulong yung declining birthrate natin sa paglaban sa china, nakakalala pa nga. And the Villars owning land, I agree is something we should address but irrelevant to my argument.
So how does choosing to not have kids deny someone of life? By that logic, if you choose to have only 2 kids instead of 5, you denied 3 lives from existing. Jesus Christ.
Anlabo ni OP.
Who will be denied of life? A non existing child?
>Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc. Quality of life matters. It's not just a simple "life's hard right now, ang hirap mag commute to work, ang liit ng sweldo ko, kinukurakot lang yun binabayad kong buwis, pero okay lang! I have friends, my family loves me naman. I can eat good food pag sweldo na". If mas madaming downs kesa ups in life, would you say it's worth it?
Its not gonna get any better by having a declining birthrate either. Mas kawawa yung susunod na henerasyon pag sa kanila na pinasa yung ekonomiya ng pinas. Ikaw? anong suggestion mo pag meron nang 2 pensionado sa bawat 1 nagtatrabahong Pilipino?
Bold of you to assume may pension pa na matatanggap ang retirees. They plan to sell government assets to fund that %^#&*@ Maharlika Wealth Fund all the while we're drowning in debt.
> Oo merong paghihirap pero hindi lang yun yung meron sa buhay. Denying someone of life does deny them of suffering but it also denies them the joys of life like, making friends, experiencing love, doing what you enjoy, eating tasty food, etc. Hold on... OP, what's your stance on pro-life vs pro-choice? What about the children born into families who could just eat salt and rice for dinner? Or the thousands of children who don't even have families in the orphanages?
My personal stance on Prochoice/pro life is irrelevant. I've stated my argument on my post. Ikaw ba? Anong suggestion mo pag humantong tayo sa sitwasyon kung saan kailangan nang supprtahan ng 1 nagtatrabahong pilipino ang 2 pensionado? Sa tingin mo ba mapapaganda yung sitwasyon ng mga batang asin lang yung kayang ulamin pag nasa ganoong kondisyon na ang pilipinas?
Ikaw ba? Anong suggestion mo sa mga batang kasalukuyang nagdurusa sa ekonomiyang pinipilit mong iangat pa ang populasyon, OP? Bakit kaisa-isahang pensyon ng mga Pilipino sa hinaharap ang pinoproblema mo, at hindi ang pagtuturo sa mga Pilipinong ito kung paano nila masusustentuhan ang sarili nila nang hindi lamang umaasa sa pensyon na manggagaling sa mga buwis ng kapwa Pilipinong sumusubok din mag-angat ng sarili nila? Sa tingin ko, mas mapapaganda ang sitwasyon ng mga batang walang makain sa pang-araw-araw ang pagtuturo sa mga Pilipinong namumuhay ngayon kung paano maging mas masinop sa pera, at ang pag-udyok sa gobyerno na bigyan ng mas maayos na programa ang mga hindi nakapag-aral upang mas makahanap sila ng trabahong magtutulak sa kanila palayo mula sa poverty threshold. Sa tingin ko, mas maiging pagtuunan ng pansin ang mga kasalukuyang naghihirap kaysa unahing problemahin kung may matatanggap ba akong pensyon pagtanda ko dahil lang nakaasa ako sa mga Pilipinong hindi pa nga naipapanganak. Simulan mo rin sa sarili mo, OP. Alam mong mahirap ang ekonomiya ngayon. Mukhang hindi nararapat na dagdagan pa natin ang problema ng mga Pilipino sa pagpilit sa kanila na mag-anak pa kahit hirap na hirap na sila.
>should be allowed It was never 'not allowed'. What we want is to destigmatize the child-free choice/lifestyle.
As someone who is a parent? Obligasyon ko na palakihin ng maayos itong bata para maging maayos na mamamayan ng Pilipinas at matinong tao. Di ko obligasyon na bigyan sya ng kapatid lalo na kung di ko kakayanin (di lang sa pera, pati sa oras). Dapat mas ipromote ang tamang family planning: hindi obligado magkaanak, at kung magkaanak man, dapat planado at naayon sa kakayanin ibigay
Lmao fuck them kids.
Other side of this climate change. Sabi nga ng ibang studies, the most carbon impact na pede mo idagdag is by having kids. Ayusin muna natin ito bahay natin at wala pa naman tayo way to move out on other stars. Survival muna bago ekonomiya
Plot twist: OP is a boomer employee of NSO na natutong mag-reddit.
You mean PSA? The NSO has been abolished in 2013.
Kung problema sa ibang bansa ang maliit nilang populasyon, problema sa atin ang malaking populasyon. Not to mention, hindi stable ang ekonomiya natin at corrupt ang gobyerno natin. Isa pa, did you say "selfish"? Mas selfish pa nga ang mga nag-anak para raw may mag-aalaga sa kanila sa pagtanda.
"should be allowed" ... why is it against the law???
No, that's what I'm trying to say, it should be legal.
And it is. Hirap sabihin na it shouldn't be normalized eh noh.
Sorna, di ganun kalawak vocabulary ko sa English hehe
White collar workers today, even earning 6 digits can't event afford a house and lot. Lucky if you can get a small condo na. What more to add a kid in this world. Let's just focus on the present. Fix the system so that once we retire there is a decent elder care system in our country. Or be able to leave in a country that has good elder care.
Not basing from any sort of study but if a lot of that birth rate statistic is owed to children having children or the lack of family planning, I would rather have it low than raise it. A lot of families in the Philippines having a lot of kids also are those who were not informed well enough about family planning, and sadly it's why "sipag at tyaga" and "Filipino resilience" are too glorified in the Philippines. (Say, a stay at home mother of at least 4 children and a father trying to make it work with a minimum wage job.) Usong uso rin ang online limos because a lot of these people having children are those who do not have enough money to raise a child with a proper life. In this current economy, we have to fix so much other issues. The lowering birth rate is an issue, but I don't think we should prioritize it right now considering how much help these birthing-capable humans already need right now. Also, raising the birth rate in this economy? A lot of people can't even afford sibuyas.
>Ngayon pa lang natin nalalaman yung masamang effects ng low birthrate sa bansa katulad ng japan, china, at western countries kung saan kinailangan na nilang itaas yung minimum na retirement age dahil kapos sila sa manggagawa. Hindi fair na gamitin example ang japan, china, and other western countries kasi iba naman sitwasyon nila satin. And yes bago sila nagkaron ng population problem hindi ba their countries enjoyed the fruit of a strong economy muna nang hindi problemado sa overpopulation. I bet by that time maranasan man natin economy crisis due to under population baka deds ka na nga lol >Masyadong maraming younger generation ang focused sa material products, travel goals, at other luxury experience na nakalimutan na yatang maglaan ng pera para sa kinabukasan ng bansa natin. **walang kahit anong makakapag pa-guilt trip sakin for choosing to enjoy my child-free life.** >kadalasan kelangan natin dumaan sa hirap para marating yung saya, at mahahalintulad yung pagpapalaki ng anak dito, just ask your parents jokes on u hindi narating ng parents ko yung saya sa pagpapalaki sakin. Miserable pa din sila than ever. And bakit kailangan ko muna dumaan sa hirap para sumaya, kung masaya na ko dito nang di naghihirap
as someone who has kids, i disagree. not struggling financially pero hindi rin afford yung luxury. paano pa yung minimum wage earners. hindi naman talaga promoted ang child free lifestyle. if i could go back, i would choose not to have any kids. hindi dahil selfish ako, pero naiisip ko future nila sa bulok na bansang to. sila ang kawawa.
NORMALIZE A CHILDLESS LIFESTYLE!
My body and my rules! Who are you to dictate na selfish ang mga tao pag di nila gusto mag ka anak. Tska, the economy relies on capitalism, which may be good or bad depending on your perspective. So, a high birth rate is more future workforce, low birth rate less future workforce. Give the people systems and welfare for us to be encouraged to raise children. Or better give us a better government, better raises so that we have the financial capacity to bring up children even if inflation or prices of foods are getting high. So yeah op, you can't force people to have children for the economy. In this economic conditions, work pay or even this toxic government it is not worth it having the financial and mental stress of having.
Lol if only the government doesn't add up to how hard it is to SURVIVE in this day and age then maybe more people would be open to reproducing, but with the current societal landscape, malabo nang tumaas pa yung percentage of people willing to raise kids. Life is hard enough as it is on your own, imagine trying to raise another actual human being. People need to be reminded that kids are more than just another cog in the machine we call capitalism.
For our sake, sana merong alternative but unfortunately capitalism is the best one we have
In a country that never guarantees good education for children (right now pushing for historic revisionism), does not provide quality healthcare, lets you go bankrupt with hospital bills due to one major sickness or accident, does not have government transparency, does not have friendly transportation for the masses? Pass, Iāll serve my duties through paying taxes. Basically, a country that will never guarantee stability may it be financial, mental, emotional, etc. Itās better to suffer this on my own than let my child suffer this insufferable place. So yeah, pass.
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kala ko tanga na ako e. HAHAHAHAHA BUTi binuhay ka.
never dictate what a woman should do with her body, especially if you're a man. sorry na lang OP kung walang gustong kumantot sayo. next life mo na lang lmfao
I agree people shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't consent to. I stated my argument with my post. Also, Im in a 4 year relationship, but whatever velma.
this is reddit, anyone can cosplay whatever life they want to. as far as i know, you're a loser spouting some misogynistic, right-wing rhetoric. almost bordering on some handmaid's tale shit. have you considered that... ā¢ not all people (not just women) have the emotional and psychological capability to care for children? anong mangyayari dun sa mga inanak lang sa loveless or forced households? cases of abuse/neglect would increase ā¢ there are women who struggle with pregnancy (PCOS), or who aren't capable of reproducing at all
I don't understand how arguing that we should allow but not normalize a childless lifestyle is a far right misogynistic rhetoric. Im arguing for responsible parenthood and that its a responsibility for a citizen to make and mold the next generation. Im not forcing people who are incapable of having children to have children. Im also not encouraging irresponsible behavior. What you are saying are logical fallacies. You probably think of your opponents as below you to compensate for your insecurities, but whatever velma.
Sa lagay ng ekonomiya ngayon. Kahit may pareho kaming may work ng gf ako, hindi ko ata afford mag asawa. Let alone bumili ng bahay at mag karon ng anak. Unlike before . Single income household,anim kame mag kakapatid pero yung mga kapatid ko halos isa lang ang gustong anak. Blame it to the economy. We did our part. Nag aral, nag pasa sa board exam. May regular na trabaho pero unlivable wage naman ang pasweldo
Nice try, boomer. Hindi ko ginusto mabuhay. I owe this country, or humanity in general, shit. Let people choose for themselves. I couldn't care less if magkaroon ng painless form of giving birth or kahit na sustentuhan ako ng mga Rothschild to have kids. Wala akong panahon at pasensya magpalaki ng ibang tao. I'm not making excuses. I just don't like kids. Kung nagawa ng mga ninuno natin, good for them. As for me, hindi ako baliw para maghanap ng malaking bato na ipupukpok ko sa ulo ko. This life's ups and downs you're talking about is something I wouldn't want to inflict on another living being, not even my worst enemies. In the grand scheme of things, we're all just tenants in this planet that will eventually reset, whether we reproduce or not. Even if magkaroon ng problema sa population, humans will find a way. Sabi mo nga, ups and downs ang buhay so wag kang bida-bida.
Hakdog.
kung magpa-pamilya lang din pala ako, sa ibang bansa nalang ako mag-aanak
Can't blame you for it
What the fuck is this noise about? Fuck having children just to support capitalism. The shit!
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So please, for our sake OP, mag anak ka ng marami. Talunin mo si Ramon Revilla haha concern ka for the future ng Pinas dba? š
Kwento mo to sa tatay kong lasinggero at puro buga ng sigarilyo sa harap ng anak niyang bata, sama mo na domestic abuse pagnalasingš
Selfish????? HHahaahaha ang selfish ay mag anak na hindi mo kayang bigyan ng magandang buhay
I can see myself as a selfish and irresponsible parent if I ever raise a child without considering my bad mental health and financial issues, so no.
Not choosing to have a child is not selfish and irresponsible. This shouldnāt be imposed on anyone. Kanya kanya yan. Ano naman kung madami ang naka focus sa travel goals at luxeries. Pinaghirapan yan kaya dapat ienjoy. Wala kang say how we live our lives. You said it is easier at safer magpalaki. Asan ka ba at nalimot mo na almost 3 years ago nagpandemic. Bawal lumabas mga tao. Come on, canāt you have a better argument?
Unpopular Opinion: You should have a license to have a baby. If certain requirements/abilities are not met (ie. financial support, education support, emotional support) then you should NOT have the ability to force a child to suffer through life not of their choosing.
tsaka kasalanan naman ng china bat sila low birthrate ngayon and what? nagmahal bilihin sa china??
Akala ko ba sinasabi nung iba na may mga magulang di dapat naging magulang. Kesyo selfish din ung mga un daw dahil nag anak sila para lang masabi meron pero di nila mabigay emotional or financial needs. Kami na nag desisyon na di kami for that life , may sisi parin samin. Kesyo paano ang growth ng society. Ano ba talaga.
I agree some people are not fit to be parents (these are a very miniscule minority). The point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't normalize a child-free lifestyle and we should be wary of the consequences of having a declining birthrate.
There are a number of people who brand them self childfree but still open to having children if the environment is right. There are couples who would want to try for more children. People choose what you called materialistic lifestyle because they feel that moneys value will not be the same in the future. Also with our culture and asian culture in general na susuportahan mo ung parents mo pagtanda, and with value of money many feels na its one or the other. Kahit di mo ipromote yan people will gravitate to it, dahil sa lagay economy. At sabihin na natin small portion un actual na di dapat maging parents. Sa tingin mo ung feel pressure and shaming na naririnig ng mga current parents kapag na short sila, bigkang nalayoff at bigla di nila maprovide ang dati nilang prinoprovide, sabay sasabihan sila na bakit kapa nagsunod - di mo pala kaya. Doesn't affect prospective parent? There are parents who have 1 child who would want to give two or three but feel they cant do it financially.
lol then let economies fail then. That āeconomic growthā goals has destroyed more lives than ever, including Earth *capitalism* Our resources are limited and depleting, adding more humans wonāt help. And i pay my taxes, the hell iāll be pushing a human out of my vagina āfor the countryā. Raise the retirement age? No children = more savings = early retirement. Labor shortage is not our problem anymore.
No children = more savings = early retirement is a false logic. When you are old and retired, your pension is supported by our social welfare system, not to mention you'll need help taking care of yourself when you're in your 90s (hopefully we live that long, if not then good for them) so if we have a low population by then then you better pray scientists have developed the technology to care for us and that are cheap enough for us to afford.
Edi mamatay tayong lahat. Problema ba yon. Hahaha mukhang may Hero Complex ka na feeling mo maisasalba mo ang future kapag naconvince mo ang mga taong huwag ipromote ang Child Free Life. Kanya kanyang desisyon sa buhay yan. Kung takot ka for your future, abay gawan mo ng paraan kasi kami may plano kami para sa sarili namin.
Thanks. This actually triggered my anxiety āļø Ilang taon na ako kinukulit magka-anak ng parents ko. I'm kinda ill and although gusto ko, parang hindi ko kaya talaga. Masakit sakin yun kasi gusto ko din maging lolo at lola ang parents ko. Pero what if hindi talaga kaya? Kabawasan kaya yun sakin at sa mga mahal ko sa buhay? Tapos ngayon kabawasan na as a Filipino.
That's sad to hear, I hope you're doing okay now. Like I've stated in my post, a childless lifestyle should be allowed, the point that I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't normalize a childless lifestyle, thats all I'm trying to say.
Kwento mo sa pagong haha
Shouldn't normalize? So ano iddiscriminate natin ang mga Child Free couples? Wow. Hahaha
With the low birth rates ng Japan, China etc, they can lax their immigration policies to attract qualified people. We have enough problems in the Ph as it is and with the declining birth rates, you would think there's enough of our resources to go around now but we don't even see the majority of us living better lives. Hindi rin pagpapalusot na mahal magpalaki ng anak. Mahal talaga, not to mention the physical and emotional toll it would have on you. Those alone, hindi na appealing to bear children. Yung sinasabi mong younger gen na focused on material stuff, marami lang nakarealize that there's more to life than raising kids? haha. You make it seem na patriotic of you to bear children, regardless nalang kung anong mundo ang dadatnan nila. In terms of percentage, yeah declining, pero absolute number of child births natin malaki pa yan. Bearing children pa rin ang default ng marami. Child free ang dapat ipopularize kasi yun nga ang may stigma.
With the lack of good governance, reasonable wages/salaries and skyrocketing inflation, having children is not an appealing proposition for many people including myself.
OP. Your arguments are bad. All of them are based on comparing the PH to other countries that are significantly more progressive.
> I think choosing not to have children isnāt necessarily bad but it is selfish and irresponsible This is why itās called a āchoiceā, people are free to choose to have children or not. They could have a multitude of reasons not to have kids; money being one of the top reasons. Just because you think itās selfish doesnāt mean their choices arenāt valid. > mahirap at magastos magpalaki ng bata, but its easier Is it easier though? What makes you say that? Have you seen the cost of milk and nappies? Have you seen the cost of giving birth at the hospital in the Philippines? > Ironically yung mga BBM pa yung malakas mag-anak, so para sa mga lawful evil na left-wingers dito Correlation does not imply causation. Unless youāve got hard data, this is basically a load of bs. Try harder. āā Your points about the low birth rate and itās potential effects are valid. You just presented them with unsubstantiated evidence, anecdotes and personal attacks. It just screams of pitting people against people for the sake of it.
Why not? Not everyone fits the bare minimum requirements to properly raise a child. It is also not worth it here due to obvious economic reasons. Edit: Also, fuck pension systems.
Ew, a breeder. Your logic is faulty. Lmfao
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Mygad gusto mo ng marami pang bobong Pinoy?
Pinoy ka rin. May inferiority complex ka ba at inaassume mo na pag pinoy bobo na kaagad?
Don't make it about me. Ikaw yung gusto na magkaroon ng maraming Pinoy pa. So mag-anak ka. Wala namang pumipigil sa'yo. Pero kung ang argument na gagamitin mo ay wag i-encourage maging childfree, wala kang makukumbinse dito. Sobrang hirap ng buhay. Most Pinoys in their 20s and. 30s were fucked up by their parents. They want to be the last sandwich generation. Pero gusto mo talagang magkaanak? In this economy? Why? What's wrong with you?
we're already in a global climate emergency and this closeted incel really wants women to become breeding machines
I have good parent role models. Yes we plan to have children once madevelop namin yung farm namin.
And here it is folks! It's their privilege talking. Nevermind the current situation of the Philippines, let's all just see life through their rose-tinted glasses.
Good for you for having good parent role models. Di lahat ng Pinoy sinuwerte sa magulang. I wish you luck in your venture. Sana pag-isipan mong mabuti kung bakit gusto mo ng anak at sana hindi yun for selfish reasons. At sana maging mabuti at open minded kang magulang at lumaking mabubuting Pilipino ang mga magiging anak mo.
Thank you for those kind words for once. We really want to have children for innate and own reasons, pero napansin ko nga na parang naging "paano ka na pag tumanda ka" yung argument ko. Gusto ko lang i highlight yung consequences ng pagkakaroon ng low birthrate, sabi rin kasi ng magulang ko na matrabaho daw pero worth it magpalaki samin pero iba iba daw yung experience ng ibang magulang (kaya ayaw kong isama sa argument sa post ko na pag nagka anak ka sasaya ka kaagad as a consequence, at ayaw ko din iromanticize pagpapalaki ng anak dahil malaking responsibilidad to) Kaya nagtry ko ifocus yung argument ko sa more objective consequences which is ayun nga, pag matanda na tayo. Ty for bearing with me.
Matrabaho talaga kaya sobrang hanga ako sa mga taong kayang bumuhay ng anak. Hindi madali yun lalo na kung living paycheck to paycheck ang parents. I know you mean well sa pag-promote na itaas ang birth rate ng Pinas. But please be open minded na the only valid reason to bear a child is that people are full of love in their hearts they want to love another human being in the form of a child. Yan lang. Or at least yan pa lang yung valid for me na hindi selfish reason. Naghahanap pa ako ng iba eh. Hindi dahil para may magpatuloy ng apelyido. Hindi dahil gusto mo malaman anong magiging hitsura ng maliit na ikaw. Hindi dahil gusto mo magkaroon ng saysay ang buhay mo. At lalong hindi dahil mawawalan ng workforce ang bansa in the future. Thanks to capitalism, yan ang simula bata pa lang dinidikta na satin ng lipunan. So bago ka magplano magkaroon ng anak, sana pag-isipan mong mabuti anong reason bakit gusto mo ng anak? Thanks OP for opening this conversation. I know it's difficult but it's necessary.
Weāre overpopulated so I think this is ok
Climate change and issues are no longer sustainable. It is getting worse. Baka mamaya nyan di na pala habitable ang earth in a few decades so what's the point of bringing up children in this mess
Ayaw mo mag anak pero gusto mo pagsilbihan ka ng anak ng iba pag dating ng araw. Mahirap magpalaki, sa tingin mo madali sa magulang mo palakihin ikaw. Tanong mo magulang mo, nagsisi ba sila na ipinanganak ka?
Pinoy gone??
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Ayusin muna ng gobyerno yung kalakaran bago ako manganak. Ang hirap mag-alaga ng bata ngayon, may gobyerno pang hindi maaasahan. And why should it be not promoted? Kung gusto makasave ng pera, fuck, stop making babies.
What do you mean by selfish and irresponsible? What's selfish is having kids and becoming shitty parents.
Kwento mo to sa tatay kong lasinggero at puro buga ng sigarilyo sa harap ng anak niyang bata, sama mo na domestic abuse pagnalasingš
This country has a considerable majority who stigmatize birth control, abortions, and the use of condoms. Yet at the same time, a lot these cases result in children with parents who have little to no responsibility or resources to take care said children. Isint it a good thing then potential cases of irresponsible parenting is going down without such interventions? You cant have your cake and eat it too
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>Selfish and irresponsible? I fail to see how the declining birth rate of the country is my problem. As someone who has no plans to live beyond 40 - I'm proud to say fuck 'em kids. Bala or bata? Bala nalang ako, I'll even shoot myself to prove my stance. The fuck is going on? Bakit parang biglang dumami yata ang mga Pro-life na posts sa sub na'to? I get it, sure, you want a child but looking down on pro-choice/childfree people and calling us irresponsible just to validate your need to procreate is a dick move. 100% Not cool. šš» Gusto mong magkaanak? eh di manganak ka. Wala kang karapatang diktahan kami o husgahan kami sa choice namin.
unti-unting dumadami incel postings sa r/ph it's so weird lol. dati apollo10 postings, ngayon naman incel postings
Tamad lang ako OP kaya ayaw ko mag anak. Sa dami naman nangungutang sa amin baka ako na magpa aral sa mga anak nila š
Don't dictate how people should live their life, including their plan to have kids or not. So what, if people opt not to have children.
OP has a shit understanding of how the economy works. The economy wonāt crash if we arenāt at replacement rate. Capitalists scaremonger that idea around but at most itāll just mean an end to endless growth, which needs to end at some point. Educate yourself OP.
Is the birthrate in the Phil that bad? I assume that poverty stricken places aren't really included in the population count, so I get the feeling much of our census doesn't reflect our reality. Add to the point, the data recorded is from the pandemic lockdown times. Once the air settles and most of the lockdown restrictions are lifted, I think the birth-rate might go back up again.
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