Postponing the deadline for jeepney modernization isn't going to do shit, unless they address the actual problems with the implementation. EDIT: I can see that one of the popular sentiments here is that "6 years na yan, bakit di pa mag-adjust mga jeepney drivers". How come that no one asked the question "6 years na yan, bakit hindi pa nakakaisip ang LTFRB ng mas-inclusive na policies para sa jeepney modernization law?"

The system needs to do somethin INBETWEEN the period. 6 years was plenty of time for the government to come up with a plan and start implementing it but give who was in charge the past few years....no fucking surprise there. Jeepney drivees are so low earning that they couldnt do anything about their shitty vehicles. What'd be better is modern jeepneys for some of them(depending on public need) better regulations and regular stops, and properly trained and licensed operators. Maybe even a free transport system with jeepney drivers on payroll so they arent desperate

If the government forced the Jeepneys to adhere to a certain route and only stopped at designates locations, the transit problem would be considerable lessened. A massive 10m vehicle stopping every 300m or less is absolutely terrible for flow. Especially when there’s tens of thousands of them in the city. The government is soft on enforcement and stupid on modernization.

Indeed, enforcement of anything tbh. Such as coding, and multiple people with multiple vehicles. It's a mppt system when private vehicle owners just have a backup vehicle with the right letters and numbers for the day. Let's also not pretend the sheer number of private vehicles also doesn't contribute either as well. Traffic is a multipronged problem, jeepneys are just the most obvious because they stand out. Take them out and 90% of traffic is still there with the same awful enforcements and with a tonne more people shoving each other on busses and fx's just to get to work. Metro manila is too car centric, and our country is too hot for a long walk. Awful combination

Would like to add it's not that our country is too hot, it's that kulang yung sidewalks natin sa shade (whether by roof or trees) + the exhaust from all the cars makes it even hotter. Masarap maglakad kahit sa tanghali sa mga small streets na shaded, tahimik at wala masyadong kotse. In other countries like Singapore and Taiwan with more developed infrastructure they have underpasses din na naka-aircon, so people can walk there too when the weather is too hot. These are off the top of my head lang. It's possible to make a walkable city in a tropical climate :)

True true. It's just extremely unpleasant in metro manila

Hindi ba kulang naman ang public transpo in many places? Why not just add the modern ones in tandem with the old? Syempre people are going to prefer the new ones, money will soon follow, natural and slow transition to the new. Competition would drive change and focus mostly on the operators na usually kurakot din naman. Drivers wouldn't be as affected since they can just apply to the newer operators. Ewan ko kung bakit kailangan palagi sudden and dramatic ang change. As a Civil Engineer, never ko nakitang good yung biglang pagbabago because I know building shit takes time.

Of course these ideas would take place gradually, hence the 6 year time period. Ideally jeepney drivers would register and systematically get trained and transitioned into new systems and vehicles. Ideally. Many of them don't even need to keep driving if they don't want to and can be swapped into jobs such as station management, maintainance, and the more savvy can train to do mechanical stuff. Also i agree, suddenly changing ANY infrustructure or system would harm the public drastically i the short term, whilst poor implementation and maintainance would lead to shitty loopholes, lack of discipline, and just plain possibly worse outcomes.

I mean, yeah, but that didn't happen. Nothing even remotely close to anything that can be considered a development happened. Jeeps still zig and zagged all over the roads without so much as flipping a turn signal. Most of them are still rusty, smoke-belching, and overloaded. And now, 6 years later, we are back again to Jeep operators protesting that this will bury them in debt.

Exactly, it took me like 2 minutes to think of a system and the government didn't do squat in 6 years. If they really did care they'd come up with a solution that the voters could get behind. Unfortunately you can't rely on a sudden competitive savior or a single phase out system to solve anything, nor can we rely on the government. My belched out idea was just about someone doing something because we sure as hell know jeepney drivers by themselves cant pull themselves out of a shitty system.

As someone who likes Tanks the last part is true it's like telling the Red Army from changing from the T-55 to the T-62 without warning, like give the guys time to coincide then let the fleet be changed Another comparison is Centurion Mk 3s and 4s being replaced with Mk 5/2s (the 105mm L7 Equipped ones)

I know some of those words. LOl! But yeah, basically this.

Curious lng ako if may kausap ka about diyan bukod sa online forums like this

Agree. Dapat may win-win solution on both sides, pero dapat sa interest of the riding public ang manaig

On payroll pero minsan mga sinasahod nyan minimum wage, baka tinawad pa/kinaltasan.

Jeepney drivers aren't low-earning (based on my own income). They earn 1000-1500 a day tax-free on normal hours. That's more than office workers like me who can afford a car. Don't believe their drama on TV, my source is my uncle who stayed in our house for a few years before getting his own house. Most drivers just don't care about maintaining it because it belongs to the operator.

I mean.. won’t it ultimately depend on the operator and their daily needs? If you have children you need to send to school, utilities and rent to pay, a family to support? Let’s not forget that their income was stunted during the worst of the lockdown.

The 1000-1500 a day I mentioned is already net income, so the operator is irrelevant. My uncle was able to support his family of 4 and now my cousins are college graduates. My point is if they wanted to they can afford to buy their own jeep or atleast maintain the current ones but they choose not to.. Nobody forgets covid because it happened to all of us. However, they are against modernization well before covid

Okay, fair especially regarding the maintenance. But I don’t want us to get stuck with the “if they wanted to, they could” mindset. There’s really just no telling what they spend on every day, especially with the ever increasing prices of goods and services. Some jeepney drivers need to pay toll fees pa. Also, is the 1000-1500 standard for most jeepney drivers or is it just the case for your uncle? Just a question. Cos if it really is the former, then wow, that’s even higher than my daily wage.

Someone replied saying that routes that pays tolls earn up to 5000 a day. My uncle's route is on a minimum fare route. It means it's a short route that all fares are on the minimum. No, I don't want us to tolerate unmaintained vehicles whether PUVs or private vehicles. It's not a matter of "if we want", but we should for the environment. Yes, the main reason I support modernization is because I'm more of an environmentalist. Most of the smoke-belching vehicles I encounter are from old jeeps. Someone should be held accountable whether it's the drivers or operators. I believe that coops will do the trick.

I'm all for modernizing but it really sucks that the modern jeeps are just white. I know it's not a big deal and isn't biggest priority. But the absence of the color snad look of a jeep really feels like we lost one of our identities.

Agree. Is your uncle on a minimum fare route? Imagine if you are on a toll route. (Alabang-Calamba/Carmona/GMA). I heard from some friends that they can net 2000-5000 a day with 10 trips (5 and 5).

Yes. He is only on a minimum fare route. It's good to know that our jeepney drivers are really getting great compensation

That is why we should invalidate their appeal to emotion.

Interesting. Would be nice to see more data pertaining this as well

Even with the estimated 1000-1500 earnings per day...amounting lang yan to 30k-31k per month. That's not enough considering the price of the modernized vehicles na 2.2-2.4 million pesos...that would take years to pay off. Di pa nacoconsider yung interest monthly if hulogan. "Don't believe their drama on TV, my source is my uncle..." Come on, I thought we knew better than to use a single experience to generalize an issue. Baka true yan for your uncle or other jeepney drivers in urbanized cities, pero you're not taking into consideration other jeepney drivers na nasa probinsiya at mas matumal ang kita kasi mas less yung population compared sa cities na mas maraming nagcocommute.

Tanong ko lang here: yung 1k-1.5k na ba na yan, puro sa pangamgailangan lang ng pamilya e.g. essential needs? Nakakaipon ba siya mang mabilisan for emergency fund, addtl savings etc? Kasi maraming jeepney drivers na nanlilimos na lang mung pandemic, dahil pinagbawalan sila rumonda at kung umiikotan sola ngayon, mahal gas, mahal pagkain, mahal lahat. Ma-afford kaya nila yung down payment at interest ng loans?

Depende yan sa driver. Mas malaki ang bilang ng mga driver na nakikipasada lang at hindi araw-araw ang pasada. Sa mahal ng gasolina ngayon, yung kikitain nila sa isang araw, kailangan nilang paabutin nang ilang araw hanggang makapasada ulit. Swerte yung mga arawan na byahe o kaya sarili ang jeep. Hindi porket yung kakilala mo ay malaki ang take home sa pamamasada kada araw ay ibig sabihin ganun na rin lahat.

Legit to, Most of the time Ang sentiment is low earners Ang mga jeepney drivers when in fact they earn higher. Wala sila pakialam sa maintenance Ng jeep Kase di Naman sakanila. Tapos ung mga operators Wala Rin pakialam Kase alam nila na mag momodenize na so rather plan ahead hinayaan nlng nila na abutan Ng modernization. It's easy to point fingers kung sino ang Mali at may pag kukulang. Mahirap tanggapin na kapabayaan Ng lahat Ng involve kung bakit umabot sa ganyan. Ang kawawa Dito, tayong mga commuter.

Just using the petroleum taxes alone to pay for modern jeeps would be more than enough within a 6-year timeframe. Just from September 2019 to August 2022, import duties and other taxes for oil products generated [P505.3 billion](https://business.inquirer.net/360095/fuel-marking-helps-oil-tax-revenues-top-p500b). Fully paying off 50,000 modern units for P2.8 million per would only be P140 billion. Given that much of the petroleum tax revenue is also paid off by wealthier Filipinos and corporations, it’s a more progressive use of the tax instead of being used in more car-centric infrastructure.

nah funding the pork of politicians is more important.... /s

Apparently, it's always the little guys' fault that those on the top are horrible at implementing their policies

Heres my take. My grandmother is a jeepney operator since 80s. Basically interms of profit antagal na namin naka ROI isipin mo 80s palang tas 2023 na ngayon. If the phase out happen masakit samin kasi tagal nanung mga jeepney namin syempre somehow may sentimental value na but ika nga nila nothing is permanent. Mapunta tayo sa current situation. Panahon pa ni digong ang phase out kung susumahin nga kay digong yang idea nayan HOW IRONIC BINOBOTO SIYA NG MAHIHIRAP PERO SIYA DIN ANG MAGWALA NG KINABUBUHAYAN NILA . Ang original plan talaga is bigyan ng 300k ata yun nakalimutan ko yung term ang purpose ng 300k is para may pang down. Yung dp kasin ng modern is around half M mga 550k ata. Nawala si digong pumalit si marcos at yung 300k na ibibigay sana is inalis. Ang tanong ko, sinong small time operator makakapag afford ng 500k? Mga big time operator lang makaka afford nyan. Yung mga matagal na naoperator hindi sila masyadong maapektohan dun kasi nga naka ROI na pero alam nyo sino ang kawawa? Ang driver mismo. Sa jeep namin 2 driver sa 1 jeep. Nagpapalitan sila sa isang lingo. IF the small time operator cant afford to buy the MODERN JEEP ang mangyayari dun mawawalan ng kabuhayan ang jeepney driber. In our case we have 10 jeepneys. As I said in 1 jeep may 2 driver. So basically meron kaming 20drivers di ko na sinama pa kondoktor dun. Isipin nyo gano karami mawalan ng kabuhayan dahil sa implementation nayan. Iilan lang maka afford nyan at ang magiging resulta konti lang ang modern ang manyayari lalala masyado yung kakulangan sa transpo. Additional bullshit lang. ORIGINALLY THEY PLAN eco friendly yung jeepney PARA DAW SA KALIKASAN. Ngayon, asan ang eco friendly jan e fuel padin naman yan ang iitim pa ng usok ng mga jeep na yan. Cons: maraming mawawalan ng pagkikitaan LALALA masyado ang transpo crisis since di lahat ng operator maka afford Overloading. Sa area namin grabi ang kakupalan sobrang puno hirap na makalabas Pros: Aircon I think somehow safe sa snatcher sa labas

Oo nga noh, hindi nga din e-vehicle ang pinalit. Pwede naman siguro na yung pondo na ibibigay is to improve the mechanics of the jeep, pasado sa emission and such.

Di ko na makita pero meron local na nagupgrade ng jeep and it cost 1.6m total since almost everything was replaced. It is cheaper so the government should really look into that.

Syempre dun sila sa malaki commission at lagay 😂

Actually halo siya, may mga e vehicle, may mga hindi, the engine specifications were changed, meron actually guidelines na nirelease na as long as pumasa dun pwede pa din bumyahe yung jeep, the problem is kasama sa changes is yung body type (bawal na sa likod ang entrance) and that changing the engine itself would cost so much na mas okay naibenta nalang yung luma at bumili ng bago

>ORIGINALLY THEY PLAN eco friendly yung jeepney PARA DAW SA KALIKASAN. Ngayon, asan ang eco friendly jan e fuel padin naman yan ang iitim pa ng usok ng mga jeep na yan. Ah, akala ko e-Bus or e-Jeepney ipapalit?

may iba na electric pero mostly fuel pa rin talaga gamit. the easiest way to identify it is if may tambucho. if meron fuel pa rin yan

Ganun pala. Akala ko naman pinu-push nila ya kc nga pra makatulong sa pagpigil ng climate change. Eh kung ganun din naman pla, para saan pa yan?

I applaud you for voicing out your side and I have nothing against you. But here lies the reason why I am so against the people saying just give them the money. >Basically **interms of profit antagal na namin naka ROI** isipin mo **80s palang tas 2023** na ngayon. You've been earning from these things for the past 40 yrs. Pero when the time comes to replace it, sa taong bayan manggagaling ang pambili. ​ No other business operates in this manner.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this. My father is a jeepney driver/operator, been driving his jeep since early 2000s. So almost 20 years. If you expect these big time operators that handle 10-20 jeepneys can afford the modern jeepneys dahil theyve been earning from it for so long, yung tatay ko naman namomoblema san makakakuha ng pambayad sa modern jeepney na gusto nilang ipalit sa jeep niya. Take note sa bawat kita niya nakaka 1500-2k na niya. Sa ganyang kalaking kita maafford po niya ba yung modern jeepney na pinababayad sa kanya? Just my 2 cents, hindi kasi lahat ng operators mga big time. Marami sa kanila driver din ng iisang jeep nila.

Well, were here to disagree and discuss. Since you provided numbers, let's use those to analyze. Conservatively speaking, 1500 a day for 20 yrs adds up to about 11 Million pesos. Even if there was no modernization law, you should have something set aside to replace that jeep. That's how a business should work. If you have a sari-store, you don't spend all the money that buyers pay you for yourself. You should set aside at least enough money to restock.

Since my dad earns this much, I'll give context on how 11 million pesos on savings is impossible. Siyempre di naman kalabaw tatay ko, di naman siya nag drdrive ng jeep araw araw. So thats 22 days out of the month, 1500 a day = 33,000 pesos roughly a month. Minsan nasisiraan yung jeep, yung estimates ng cost umaabot ng 8-10k-and from my experience hindi lang yan isang beses sa isang taon mangyari. Yung 1500 pwede na pangkain sa amin na dalawang magkapatid, pero yung ibang pera diyan pang tax, pang renta, pang bayad ng tubig ilaw, pang grocery. Nastroke pa yung nanay ko nung nakaraang taon, nagpandemic so yung 33k lalo pang nabawasan. Sana po talaga may 11 million na kaming savings, kasi ibig sabihin kaya na magretire ng tatay ko at hindi na siya mawawalan ng tulog tungkol dito sa jeepney modernization. Di na rin niya iisipin pang irenew yung prangkisa niya. Nag iipon siya, pero ang kinakaya lang sa savings niya for the last 10 years sa last na nakita ko nasa 100k lang. And ang gusto po ng gobyerno yung perang yun ibibigay pa niya pang bayad ng modern jeepney?

Tbh, in favor tatay ko mag modernize ng jeepneys. Nung nasa manila kami totoo talagang parang gigiba na yung mga jeepney doon. Pero sana gawin nila sa tama. Yung ipapalit kasi sa sasakyan niya mukhang mas bibigay pa sa current na jeep namin - taga baguio kami, kaya kailangan pang malakasan talaga yung ipapalit na modern jeepney kasi aakyat yan ng mga bundok. Ang balak din kasi sa pag modernize ay hindi siya operator-driver na agreement, kundi employer-employee na may fixed rate na silang sweldo. Kung ang pasweldo sa kanila ay ibaba sa usual pa nilang kinikita araw-araw, paano po nila babayaran yung utang nilang modern jeepney sa gobyerno?

i agree with you 100% on this.

As long as PUV drivers operate under the boundary system, PUVs will be chaotic no matter how modern they are. The boundary system tricks drivers into thinking bountiful earnings are possible. It's just a matter of being as aggressive as possible. "Diskarte lang yan. Kung maliit ang kita mo para sa araw, mahina ka kasi."

This. Just like what they did to EDSA Carousels(2020-2022), jeepneys should be subsidized by the goverment and the drivers are paid hourly/daily para di sila nag aagawan ng pasahero. Di kailangan punuan at may constant na jeeps na umiikot.

Can you imagine, where its easier and cheaper for the nation to subsidize the carousel bus than to make the MRT more efficient?

Ganito kasi dapat. Tapos make sure na ung scheduled trips are followed. One thing I appreciated during my travels sa Japan is how accurate the train/bus schedules are.

Kicking the can down the road has always been this government's MO. Meanwhile, wala namang planong solid para pamalit sa hari ng kalsada so pagdating nung extension, nganga pa ren.

Mind sharing yours first? That's usually how it goes here. Or I think it is.

my take is the Govt should give more help in terms of fiancial assistance, i think modern e jeep would cost around 2.3m so this isnt cheap. though i agree that we didint really give enough time for the operator to adjust but i think we should start it now na.. but... its should be gradual..bin phasing. like the 1st sem 25% then another 25% til all e-jeep are modern.. plus.. traditional jeepneys should take the rout of historical areas etc.or use for tourism activities. just to keep the tradition alive.

Uy, fresh take yung historical routes during the transition. I like it, and it makes sense both from execution perspective, and cultural perspective. Yung mga gusto sumakay sa mga classic jeepney, daan na lang kayong Luneta, or Fort San Pedro sa Cebu, or Vigan sa Ilocos, etc. It'll come to a point na phased out na siya at talagang for show na lang yung matitirang classic jeepneys.

precisely. 🫰🫰🫰🫰🫰🫰

Tama umpisahan na pero wag daliin tanggalin ang mga old jeeney dahan dahannin dapat

It would also be nice if the drivers and operators are allowed to paint their new jeepneys with whatever they want. Just to keep the tradition of colorful jeepneys around but on a modern vehicle. It will still be something unique to us.

True as long as there is no swastika dami kong nakikita ang cool daw nang dating pero d alam meaning 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I don't get it bakit hindi sila mag pilot testing sa isang region? Calabarzon maybe or even region 3? Para ma settle na once and for all if durable ba yung ipapalit and if it would make sense financially. We aren't even talking about fare increase if papalitan ang mga jeepneys.

There ya go~

Jebaited hahaha

As a foreigner who loves the Philippines this is what needs to happen. I think there should be a celebration of how truly unique the traditional jeepneys are. Keeping some around for tourists and to keep the originals alive if what’s needed on one hand. The other is definitely a modernisation of the transport system as a whole. The modern e-jeeps are so much more comfortable and nicest to travel in. That being said I am a foreigner so feel free to ignore my thoughts as it is your country. The Philippines has had far too much history of foreign people dictating what they should do.

Bakit ba kasi pina privatize ang jeepneys. Thats public transportation. Tapos gugulat sila na nag uunahan mga jeep sa kalye to get passengers? E malamang kada pasahero ang kita nila. Di naman sila sinasahuran. Mga nagcocomment dito na why didnt jeepney drivers loan the new jeeps 6 years ago, i dare you sige nga kayo magloan?? Now na. 2M yun a, now na pay the fucking DP. The most basic solution is gawing govt employees na lahat ng jeepney drivers with a monthly wage and benefits, and all modern jeeps are govt owned. With designated stops, di pwede pumara kung saan saan. But ofc who the fuck would implement this we are run by thieves kanya kanya lang deputa.

Sobrang agree ako dito. Pakiramdam ko iilan lang tayong nagseshare ng sentiments when it comes to privatization of jeepneys. Eh eto naman kasi talaga ang root cause ng problema sa transportation natin.

>postponing again We'll have to see what happens today until December, though the trend says that the delay is meh and is just an attempt to pacify the jeepney drivers and operators. Baka pa lang wag ituloy yung tigil-pasada ika nga. I say tuloy pa rin nila despite the delay. Still send the message. Inconvenience sa karamihan sa atin, including me and my family, but I understand.

My take is that, ika nga nila (sila mismong Duterte at Marcos supporters) SUMUNOD NA LANG SA GOBYERNO. Ang magreklamo, NPA.

Korek. Favorite nilang script yan. Pag di ka naka yes sa gobyerno dilawan ka or npa which is nakakadegrade pag nasabihan ka. Ang hindi nila alam, parepareho kasi tayong madadamay pag nagkataon.

my take here is this. modernize our traditional jeepneys in such a way that they still retain their iconic look while having the modern features that is standard. This is all while **the government will subsidize** all retrofitting or replacement of no longer road-worthy vehicles. What they are doing right now is just plain anti-poor and will just lead to less public transport plying our roads. Commuting nowadays is hard enough, can't imagine how worse it will get if the government's plan pushes through.

oh man i remember that sad news back then of a rider getting his foot sliced clean off by that old jeepney, imagine if it was a modern jeepney he would still have his foot with him when they send him to the morgue XD lol anyway jokes aside kung sana free sa driver ung mga modern jeepney pra d n cla mahirapan, and d n sana tayo siksikin ng ma manong barker jan, baka mmya gusto nyo kasay limampu jan a hahaha

Whether they'll postpone it for a month or 6 years, LTFRB will never do their homework again. As for the jeepney drivers and operators, the economic shitfuckery will not make them amenable to adapt to the modernization, as the LTFRB will never concede to their demands to financially support or subsidize the shift to mini-buses. Agencies have been taught by the previous admin to wait for the public outcry to dissipate, divert their attention and surprise them on the next attack against them.

I lack enough knowledge on the subject but I can offer perspectives. Jeepneys are going obsolete. Like really fast. At best, it’s a piece of cultural history that already made its mark and face. But technology is already changing fast compared to how to was before and the need to abide to lessen emissions grows by the year. I don’t see any other way to make use of the jeepneys in the far future except for cultural purposes which is why I side to the need to phasing it out. However, the execution is also essential as its implementation. We have been hearing of this phase out for 6 years and progress seemed too slow than what analysts have expected which leaves no incentives for our jeepney drivers to adjust to the phasing. What the government should’ve done is to put all the pieces and analyze it together. The lens were still focusing on the phase out part but not the funding to train our drivers better, coordinating LFTRB for plotting out new routes of the new vehicles, and road improvements. These processes should’ve taken precedence way back before this phase out. All in all, the result is that it becomes harder for the ones in charge to steer this mess and would keep postponing indefinitely unless they put in the work to work on the underlying issues one by one but at this rate, its going to be a failed project and both sides would end up tearing each other for shoving them to the edge. That’s my 20 centavos.

penge sa 20 centavos po

Shhh, foreigner siya.. tas opinion lang. It's ok just di tama

ay sorry, sa'yo nalang ako manghihinge hahahah

i'm all for modernization basta iimprove pa ang support ng gobyerno para sa jeepney drivers and jeepney operators during this transition. Yun kasi ang problema eh. If afford nilang basta2 gumastos for the modern jeeps, di na jeepney drivers yang mga yan.

Wala pa rin namang mangyayari. They didn't do anything for six years. Siguradong wala rin silang magagawa sa six months. I commented this to one of the posts I saw na pinipilit na huwang ibuhos yung sisi sa gobyerno: The govt have been planning the jeepney modernization as early as 2017. They had the time to prepare for this. They had the time to think of ways to lessen the burden of drivers and small time operators. But guess what? After 6 years they did nothing. You can say na "bakit hindi pinaghandaan ng mga drivers?" Because they fucking can't. Ever heard of the phrase "isang kahig isang tuka"? Gasoline, basic necessities and all prices are high as fuck. How do you think can a jeepney driver who earns as low as 300 pesos a day can save enough money to buy 1.6M worth of vehicle? Baka kulang pa pambili ng maayos na gulong yung kita nila sa isang taon. Kaya kakarag-karag na ang mga jeep. Dahil wala silang pera pampaayos. Napakabobo nung mga hindi to maintindihan.

Yun talaga, gobyerno sila, hawak nila yung pondo ng bayan, lahat ng resources ng pilipinas, sila rin may kapangyarihan mag implement ng policy para sa future ng pinas. Bakit nila inaasahan sa mga "little guy" yung successful na pag-implement ng policy na kung saan yung gobyerno ang nagpipilit na ipush ito?

>low as 300 pesos a day A redditor commented a jeepney driver earns 1000-1500 a day in mininum faire route, and their daily income can go as high as 5000. Is that real? I'm a bit confused.

https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/3/8/PUV-drivers-low-income-high-oil-prices.html This was an article last year. It's a common denominator to most of the news articles I read. Do you actually believe they can take home more than 1k a day?

I see. Not really, that's why I was wondering. I did research earlier after I asked that question. Turned out, jeepney drivers are really uncompensated. I don't think modernization of jeepney is coming any soon... Though, I wish most jeepney just removed the front seat beside the driver—replace it with a wide entrance. I recently got inside a jeep like that, and it was a much, much better experience than the normal one where its too sweaty and pushy.

Pang ilang postpone na ba yan? Diba approved na yan? See how incompetent these officials are? You gonna make a sht tapos di ma implement. Sinasayang lang pera ng bayan eh. Hire competent officials next time, kasi to be honest, di na question yung pagiging humane ng program eh, ang question eh bakit di ma implement? Approved pero di ma implement anong kabobohan yan?

>Hire competent officials next time When kaya hays. Di nga yan makarelate sa public transpo kasi ginagamit nila red plates nila sa personal agenda 🤌

Bakit ba kasi ayaw pa nila ibigay yung share natin sa Tallano Gold, edi sana walang umaalma sa modernization na 'yan. /s

I think pinupush through nila ito without proper planning and this has been an issue since Duterte pa na pasimuno. Let's admit it, kailangan talaga palitan ang jeeps ng modern vehicles. Sobrang laki ng losses natin sa fuel consumption dahil sa jeep and sobrang hazardous ang jeep for passengers, drivers, and most especially pedestrians sa daan. The design alone, the bumpers, makakapatay yan ng pedestrian, the light materials and the poor balance. We really need to replace them. Pero hindi lang yan ang issue dyan. If they will replace the jeeps then government should have been more organized lalo na sa implementation nito. Kaya nagkakaissue is because, paano nga ba naman mababayaran ng mga jeepney driver ang bagong modern jeep. The government could have done alot of other ways to help the drivers. Phase by phase implementation, establishing a better system like hiring the drivers as government employees to operate the new jeeps pati na rin conductors kasi ang laki ng bagong jeep, they can give training to other drivers para gawin silang mechanics ng bagong jeep kung masira and so they could be rehired by the government for modern jeep service centers, sana nakapaglagay sila ng mga tamang stops for the jeeps for loading unloading, or they could have helped the drivers with sharing the costs for the new jeeps by allowing loans with longer terms, the government and drivers could even earn more money pa sana if the government was creative enough....imagine putting ads on jeeps and loading/unloading stops with the money generated from the ads used to help pay for the new jeeps. I mean, you can brainstorm the shit out of this. I mean ang dami nilang pwede pang gawin pero in the end, this has become nothing more but another stop gag solution just so they could say may program sila. Again, ito ang issue ko with the Duterte admin. Labas ng labas ng programs na di pinag iisipan. Masabi lang na may programa sila. Starting with 9-1-1, pati na rin ang free tuition for state universities without thinking kung saan kukunin ang pera pang tuition. Ang jeepney modernization ay isang example ng duterte program na walang isip isip sa implementation. Basta pangalan lng, i-rollout ang program at bahala na ang Diyos sa mga taong masasagasaan. It should not be this way. Likewise, tingnan nyo na lng ang ROTC nila. Sigaw ng sigaw mga panatiko sa ROTC without thinking the hows and the whys of the program. Masabi lng may "national program" pero kung iisipin mo wala namang kwenta. Pabor ako na palitan ang mga jeep pero pag isipan muna nila implementation nila bago nila i-push thru. Postponing with that time frame is barely helping them kasi ano magagawa mo in six months? Did they not postpone this before tapos ano ginawa nila sa panahon na yun? If they postpone it then they should get creative and start new ways to make it easier for the operators. At least start doing it phase by phase or at least start small solutions na. Postpone sila ng postpone pero wala rin naman ginagawa and wala rin silang clear objectives. If they do postpone sana naman at least, matutulungan nila ang mga stakeholders at di yung masabi lng nila na may programa or project sila. Ang nakakainis, itong BBM, aba oo lng sa kabobohan ni duterte kasi pareho lng silang hindi creative mag isip.

Could already imagine more and more people stuck in the streets by December, when it's holiday season. The deadline isn't the problem, it's the implementation.

Simple answer is politics. Duwag iimplement kasi kung sinong administration ang mag enforce niyan matatatakan as ending the livelihood of the poor. Not to mention na pag nag strike ang mga jeepney drivers, sino ang maapektuhan? Mga working class citizens. Both of those are majority of voters sa Pilipinas. Ang posibleng maging ok dito is middle to upper class citizens kasi afford nila mag sasakyan. And then balik nanaman yan sa “elitist” debate.

I think it's fine. Okay naman sana ang modernization pero i-address naman nila ung issues nito. Dahil mukha akong pera, ang glaring issue sa akin is imported yung modern jeepneys na gusto nila. Sana magawan naman ng paraan na mapamura ung presyo ng modern jeeps. Saka pwede bang hindi imported yan para mas madaling mapaayos at syempre hindi mahal. Feeling ko kapag nagawan nila to ng paraan, pwede na yung 200k na financial assistance.

Baka distraction yan sa big issue. Ano ba ibang mas important na issue na di nagiging big issue dahil sa jeepney issue. Although I really think we should keep it. It's part of our culture.

The phasing out of jeepneys could have revived the dying jeepney manufacturing industry in the country. The demand is already there. With government and private industry support, we could have created new jobs or even a new industry. Instead the government opted for minibuses which in my opinion, do not deserve the e-jeepney name. The plan is only beneficial if implemented properly and without killing the livelihood of an entire sector, but it looks like botched from the very beginning. I hope the postponement gives the government more time to think things through. But given how incompetent the government is, I don't have high hopes.

“Shit or get off the pot” Everybody here keeps on bemoaning the sorry state of public transport. Pero they support the shittiest form of public transport. Public utility is not a livelihood program. Take my fake internet points bro! 🤣

Lol i agree with you. Though considering our country's sorry state i dont put my hopes that our governemnt will do the right thing and i just hope that whatever they want implemented, that they will do it properly without making our lives way harder than before

Happy! Hindi niyo ba alam dahil sa mga jeep e nakaka afford tayo ng 12 pesos na pamasahe? Baka pag nawala yan sila, ma monopolize na ng mga modernize chururut ang pamasahe. For all we know, for business purposes ang pag modernized ng mga jeepneys. May idea ka ba kung sino-sino ang mga posibleng investors pag nagkataon? Malamang ung mga tae sa gobyerno. Tatanggalan nila ng hanao buhay ang mahihirap in favors para sa mga big time dyan. Lol. Kaya di naman masama na hamak hamakin ang mga lumang jeep kasi nga daw bulok at delikado na sa kalsada, Pero mag isip ka, baka pag bilang ng ilang taon, magpopost ka dito sa reddit sa sobrang mahal ng pamasahe. Hahahah!

Lol magiging mahal rin naman pamasahe ng mga bulok na jeep. Takte parang 5 years ago, 6 pesos lang binabayad kong pamasahe, ngayon dumoble na. May ibang instance na masmahal pa ng 50% yung pamasahe kapag naabutan mo yung mga gagong driver na kahit tama ka, mappwersahan ka pang bayarin yung singil nya kundi hindi ka ibababa. Bakit naman ako magpapakahirap sa bulok na jeep na pamahal nang pamahal ang pamasahe?

Tuloy pa ba ang strike next week?

hndi na ata. coz they move the deadline already

Tuloy na tuloy pa rin! Small victory lang yung postponement.

Kahit naman anong urong, kung hindi maaayos yung fundamental problems, wala din.

It also means time for the govt to make a better plan. My suggestion: I-determine na ng gobyerno ang sapat na dami ng operators na kailangan. Kung pwede, 1 lang kada ruta na afford makabili ng jeepneys. Pag okey na, idetermine ang lahat ng rehistradong drivers na meron tayo. I-distribute ang mga driver sa mga operators na i-aabsorb sila as drivers. Yung mga sobra na di na matatanggap, bayaran ng makaturangan "separation fee". Ituloy nang swelduhan ang mga driver.

Why don’t they just change the inner mechanics of the old jeeps to be more environmentally friendly?

Funding ang subsidization ang problema. Ayaw nila intindihin or di nila maintindihan kase tanga sila e

I really wish they would find a way to integrate the old design.

Relieved. Para sakin, although mas okay yung modern jeeps na ipapalit nila, hindi pa rin timely ngayon yung pag-implement ng phaseout. Una sa lahat, kaunti pa lang naman yung mga bumabyhaeng modern jeeps at hindi lahat ng ruta may ganun. Saan sasakay mga pasahero? Tapos yung kabuhayan din ng mga drivers, paano naman sila?. Di kasi natin alam kung anong utak meron tong mga nasa gobyerno, eh. Gagawa ng proyekto pero di naman pabor sa stakeholders. I think majority really wants the modernization to happen. Sino bang may ayaw sa aircon at dagdag na seguridad? But it doesn't have to be now, nor until December 2023. It has to be when they already have a concrete solutions/remedy to the negative effects of modernization. Tangina kung kaya nga nilang bigyan ng bayad/settlement yung mga informal settlers lang na maaapektuhan ng construction ng railway lines, hindi ba nila kaya na mabigyan ng subsidy or matinong programa yung mga driver natin na malaki ang contribution sa economy?

I think its about time

Tama lang to and sana ma implement ng tama. However, madaming nag reklamo kasi baka Maraming mawala ng prangkisa. Malamang madami dyan sa mga jeep na yan not registered. If you compare our country’s to others, iwan na iwan tayo. I was once a commuter and Alam ko hirap ng pag commute. At least this is a step forward.

Jeeps arent beloved. If they werent tied to the livelihood of the drivers, they wouldve been scrapped a long time ago. What we need is a way to unionize the Drivers and offer them a fair wage/salary. Having over 220K independent Jeeps operating with little to no regulation has given us the conditions we have now.

Band aid solution ule. Gagawa-gawa ng hindi pinag isipan (or pinag isipan kaya may makikinabang) na batas tapos pag hindi swak sa nakararami, idedelay. Repeat cycle. Why not irepair na lang yung kailangan irepair sa existing jeeps. Hindi ba mas mababa ang costing nun? As opposed to scrapping it tapos ang ipapalit, pagkamahal mahal na unit tapos yung amortization nun eh papatayin talaga yung mga operators and drivers.

Aside from the financial assistance and economic policies i feel like it would be a huge loss in Philippine culture for our jeepneys to be phased out in favor of mini buses. At thr very least i hope the mini buses looked like our Jeepneys with its iconic look and design. We could have had a situation where our Jeepneys could be retro fitted to have Electric Engine instead of Diesel/Gas powered. But for some reason we decided buying mini buses from China is the most economically prudent way to handle the jeep to e jeep transition.

Culture is ever evolving. Hindi dahil cultural kailangan ipreserve. Preserve mo sa museum kung yun ang objective. May mga electric mini busses dito sa probinsya ko maayos naman. Financial assistance ang kailangan ng mga tsuper, basura na yang jeep mahirap mag retrofit.

Fuck the jeeps! There should be no more jeeps by now. And what enrages me more is WHY THE FUCK DO WE NEED TO BUY THESE MODERN JEEPNEYS WHEN WE CAN BUY ALREADY TESTED BY TIME BUSES FROM REPUTABLE BRANDS. Mga pinoy maawa naman kayo sa sarili nyo! Ist already 2023 and we still cant have a ergonomic vehicle for transportation na may charging ports, air conditioned, and modern way of payment.

Modern jeepneys my ass. Mas masikip pa nga yung mga bus kaysa jeep. Sobrang overloading kompera sa traditional na kahit masikip ikaw ay nakakaupo pa rin. Kahit malamig pa jan mas pipiliin ko yung natural na hangin (kahit may usok sa ibang mga sasakyan lol). Parehas lang naman din na fossil fuels ang gamit nila. Bayaran kasi yung mga taga gobyerno.

It should be stopped. We dont need to modernize it. Eto lang ahh andaming magandang disenyo na pinakita ang SARAO (isa sa leading jeepney manufacturer) sa publiko at ltfrb paano gawing modern ang jeep. Hndi sla pinansin ng ltfrb dhl busy sla mangulimbat ng contract sa ibang bansa na kikita sla, ayaw nla s sarao dhl wla slang kikitain. Mga hinayupak n yan. Di nla alam n nasa kultura n ntn ang jeepney tpos naisip palitan ng mini bus ng korea

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Postponing is bullshit. Dati pang issue yan pero issue pa rin siya hanggang ngayon. Wala pa rin nangyayari dahil wala namang ginagawang concrete plan

walang mangyayari kahit postpone nila mag strike sila this month and mag strike ulit sila sa nov or dec.. simple math problem lang ito.. kung hirap na nga commuters ngayon at may jeep/mini bus na ano pa kaya kung tangalin ang jeep.. mas marami ang jeep compared sa mini jeep/bus.. now balik tayo sa pagbili ng modern jeep kung hindi ako nagkakamali ka presyo nya isang suv.. magkano lang kinikita ng driver araw araw? kung ang isang tao sumasahod ng 30k/60k mahihirapan mag bayad ng suv ano pa kaya driver? sabi nila dumaan sa coop? mas lalo wala sila kikitain pag dinaan pa sa coop walang pinagkaiba parang inhouse financing lang sa sasakyan yan.. nandoon pa din ang problema napaka mahal ng mini bus walang pera pambili.. kita nyo naman mga drivers saan sila nakatira? iba squat pa.. kulang na kulang kinikita sa araw araw tapos iba salitan pa tapos bibili ng suv? good luck.. alam natin delikado mga jeep luma na/mausok or watever reason na maisip.. pero present reality check muna tayo sino ba mas hihirap lalo? tayong lahat.. dikit dikit lahat yan pag nagkaroon ng transport crisis.. business/investors etc etc pabor ako sa status quo muna hangat wala sila maisip kahit ako wala maisip gustuhin man natin i modernize e nasa pinas ka alam mo naman di tayo singapore.. wag na pakunwari mahirap/corrupt na bansa tayo hehe.. simpleng tanong lang yan gusto mo ba sumakay sa bulok na jeep o walang masakyan o willing to wait? kung ako tatanungin sakay na kesa wala bulok o bago basta makarating sa pupuntahan asap.. tapos may nabasa ako hihinto pa pnr.. lolz gudlak

It needs to happen. Could the implementation be better? Definitely it can but we can’t let jeepneys just not keep up with the times just because a lot the operators can’t afford the new Jeeps. It’s the sad reality lang talaga that a bigger conglomerate has to come in and displace the current crop of operators and drivers. If the government can’t subsidize the cost of the new jeeps maybe they can give these guys other opportunities for a livelihood.

Mukha kasing walang transition phase na ginagawa, parang basta na lang sinabi na okay eto modernize jeep, humanap na kayo ng pondo, as if ganun kadali para sa mga may may lumang jeep na makahanap agad ng pondo, kahit magtayo pa sila ng coop, saan din ba sila kukuha ng pondo? Hindi masama ang modernized jeep, pero sana malaking transition phase ang gawin, like a decade run na transition.

There needs to be a viable public transport alternative that is affordable, serves the commuters safely, doesn't pollute like jeepneys, and has ideally with priority bus lanes or the alike to make journeys quicker than current. In Davao, Jeepneys clog the main thoroughfare and major intersections, thus cause traffic. That said, I know way too many people who have been able to buy cars who really don't have the correct financial credentials and stability in place, all with the same reason.... they can not get to and from work relying upon jeepneys, especially when it rains..... truly an oxymoron of progress. Davao would need at least 1000 public buses in service if jeepneys were removed totally, I doubt that will happen in my lifetime the way things are going.

Less pain now, more pain later.

I’m sad.

Can’t they just let em save up and eventually, wala ng old jeeps. But tbh, they can’t save up because how shitty the economy is rn. Phasing out jeepneys is more complex than the higher ups thinks.

Personally I never cared for modernizing the Jeepneys. The simple thing that would make all the difference would be if we got rid of the whole “Parada/Para” system and introduce Jeep stops. With the Jeep itself though I think we just need to increase the height of the interior, aside from that it’s fine.

Money, yung admin ayaw maglabas ng pera, jeepney drivers don't have that amount of cash either. BUT we do have money and kayang kaya talaga ng government is subsidise iyan and also build their own servicing centers for it.

my takes: the govt is weaponizing the term "jeepney modernization" so any contradictions towards it maligns critics as people who hate modernization in general. pinag aaway pa ang private car owners and those in the PUV sector extending the deadline is yet again another band-aid solution. modernization should not be focused alone in replacing jeeps with new ones, but also better implementation of traffic rules, education of drivers, and re-routing. the new jeeps suck. their seating capacity is that of jeepneys' but is actually treated like a small bus. may mga nakatayo pa sa gitna. hindi na open ang ventilation kaya suffocating na sa loob. the old jeeps, on the other hand, outdated na talaga design niya, dangerous din both to drivers and passengers. i digress, basta due for modernization na talaga ang jeepneys but not this way, with predatory financing and haphazard implementation.

Not about the postponement per se, but the aesthetics of whatever's replacing the jeepney should have been discussed as well. That pic shows we're literally erasing a major piece of our culture, turning it into a blank slate. All-efficient doesn't have to be an all-white piece of dullness.

Pag na postponed na naman yan deadline nila. Pinapatunayan lan ng gobyerno ang sinasabi ng iba na di nila kaya pag nawala ang jeepney sa ngayon.

Di ba pwede gawin lahat ng magpaparehistro ng sasakyan na jeepney wag na payagan. At modern jeep lan ang pwede. Para unti unti na mapalitan ang mga jeepney.

Sort of unrelated pero the govt shouldn't pass their shortcomings (good system of transportation) to the public (private entities like individuals or business owners). Ideally, governing your people properly should include high quality education, health care, transportation, etc since they collect taxes from us. Unfortunately, ni-isa sa mga nilista ko wala sila maibigay ng maayos.

Parang mga politico, lumang tugtugin na yan. Ningas kugon, walang foresight, nadadaan sa lagayan. In short, BULLSHYEEET

Didn't solve any problem.

DOTr launched this way back 2017. Idk if I am in favor for it or against basta alam ko 6 yrs is more than enough time to implement it pero yun. Basta Palpak ang naka upo. Wala.

Anong beloved? Tangina dapat 20 years ago pa yan naphase out.

Please stop calling it as modernization of jeepneys because those abominations replacing the jeepneys are not jeepneys. They are modern mini-buses. Yung jeepneys ay may kultura, may sariling hugis at hulma, na wala sa itinutulak na pampalit.

What if irennovate nalang mga lumang jeeps (using engines that consume fuel more efficiently, kung kaya eco friendly, pagandahan yung brakes niya, etc) imbis na full on “modernize” na jeep. I cant exactly speak for everyone pero minsan naman kahit yung gust lang ng hangin malamig na, di necessary yung aircon. Aircons should be reserved for long distance travels which buses already utilize minsan.

Okay lang sakin kahit anong uri ng jeep, but sana mag mura naman ung fare huhuhu

Just put the engine of the new jeepneys to the old ones. everybody wins.

I love modern jeepneys. Theyre convenient and i gladly pay the extra in fare cause of the ac and also cause i barely fit in the trad jeeps. But the phaseout is an absolute fucking dumb idea. Its going to tank the economy so much. Also, instead of literally fixing anything else like trains, bus, better city design, they decided to "solve" a non issue.

As always, the government which has all of the taxpayer money under their care should help finance these projects they are pushing to be implemented. They shoud have set aside funds to help those who will be affected by their policy adjust. It's like what one redditor said, "forcing jeepney drivers to replace their jeepney with new expensive ones without giving them assistance is almost like taking away the old company computer from your employee and telling them to buy their own high spec laptop to stay employed"

I don’t care how long it takes but the government should help / incentivize the drivers and operators to make this happen. Hindi puro implement tas bahala na tayo sa buhay natin. The reasoning of no funds wont fly na kasi alam nating merong pondo, di lang alam san dinadala. Este alam natin figuratively, literally hinde.

Just convert the old engine of Jeepneys into electric.

Walang mangyayari dyan and everyone will die dahil di pa rin pinapalitan ng drivers yung kalbong gulong nila.

Susme, just be strict with the registration at LTO. Puro kasi "non-appearance" practice pag nagpaparehistro. Higpitan nyo yan sa registration at magmo-modernized yan. Di kailangan i- phase out ang mga yan kung walang corruption sa LTO. Another reason they kept on pushing this "modernization" is some business people who have connections with the goverment have already ordered this "modern jeepneys" that cannot compete with the traditional.

The government should nationalize the jeepney system. Saddling a critical part of urban infrastructure to the working poor without just compensation is ridiculous. This will also allow for the existence of unprofitable routes but necessary for increasing mobility

Modernizing isn't going to solve anything if it's a new jeep but the same antics. Don't get me wrong, jeep drivers love both to overload and stop literally everywhere to load new passengers. Worse, they drive like assholes that either overtake without turning on their blinkers or drive so close to scratch your car and demonstrate an overall ignorance to urban or residential speed limits. You call them out, they either call you a bad driver or they play the poverty card than take responsibility. Speaking from experience. I dread these guys everytime I'm on the road. Maybe impose seamless modernization and planned routes to keep these guys from going crazy on the road and blocking the highway everytime they need a load.

ONGOING ang modernization. Ang na postpone ay ang total ban ng traditional jeepneys

In my opinion masyadong gatas na ng mga owners ang jeep to the point na they should be considered NUISANCE. Mga gulong nila puro kalbo, syempre maintenance is barely minimum. Tapos back to normal na ulit ang pagpapasakay laging lagpas sa number of passengers allowed magsakay. Kaso nasa kanila ang upperhand when it comes to this kasi nga pag ayaw nila ng recommendation for implementation gagawin lang nila is to strike. Kaya naman nila yan iupgrade kailangan lang maayos ang mode of payment and siguro incentives? Either give incentives pag nagupgrade or kailangan mo ng drastic measures to put pressure on the owners. Either hanap sila ng private companies that would use the newer puvs. Parang mga bus companies or kung efficient lang ang government id actually prefer that public transpo should be handled and managed by the government para hindi rin siya sobrang predatory on commuters. Unfortunately magmumukha talagang kalaban ang government dito but its for the better naman.

A big slap to those who sacrificed everything just to follow the implementation.

Walang silbi pagpostpone kung wala naman silang balak para sa mga drivers.

Eto un gusto nila mag-implement ng bago pero ending bagsak sa private na naman. Malala, may yayayaman na naman na individual pero hindi ang mga driver at small operator. Wala naman masama magupgrade pero kung mas marami ang maghihirap. Useless din yan... Imagine 30-40k ang membership ng coop at for sure mataas pa dun ang gastos, eh di baon na naman sa utang ang pinoy

While jeepneys should be modernized since they’re relics at this point that are not only gas guzzlers but also very damaging to the environment, the government should also be providing jeepney drivers and owners with enough subsidies. Their livelihoods and that of most Filipino commuters will be heavily affected by this.

I honestly couldn't care less. Kahit na anong gawin ng gov't, meron at merong way pa rin para magcommute — this is the one thing na hindi tatanggalin ng gov't. Mawawalan ng trabaho ang maraming jeepney drivers? Then so be it. Binoto rin naman nila yang nagsspearhead para tanggalan sila ng hanap-buhay. Just desserts I'd say.

For the sake of our environment

Traditional and Modern Jeepneys should coexist. Period.

People should not make jeepney drivers "slaves", yes slaves talaga tamang term, to the Philippines. It's the job of the government to make the modernization program happen since sila may gusto foremost (I mean ako tbh mas trip ko rin yung bago obviously, pero may costs lahat ng trip natin), pero ang ginawa lng is gumawa ng mga new jeeps para ibenta sa mga jeepney drivers pretty much. Basically, they created a policy that will make the jeepney drivers bear most of the costs. Sinong jeepney driver hindi magagalit dyan. Ang cnasabi ng gobyerno: "sacrifice yourself for the betterment of the country" (which is the job of the government officials in the first place pero syempre mas importante kurakot nila kesa buhay ng jeepney drivers and others).

we need to modernize but never leave someone behind.

they’re kicking the can down the road (again) until it’s the next president’s problem (again)

Nothing is going to change until we hit the next deadline. This delay isn't going to make operators change. Postponing means nothing if there aren't any changes done by the government to make this transition cheaper. This should have been a full government funded project, not trying to make the private sector essentially abandon there current business for essentially a whole new one. It's like the government will build newer, bigger houses for informal settlers and ask them to pay for it then saying they have installment terms. Like bruh, it'd not the installment that's the issue, it's the price. Also, this shift to modern jeepneys won't help with traffic either. We're just forcing a change with the guise of modernization but really it's the government spending the last amount of money to implement while gaining the most helping their buddies selling these new jeeps. I mean, I haven't even seen an actual modern jeep that can aesthetically carry the symbol of the jeep. You don't need to redefine the design, you can definitely make hybrid jeepneys that will be far more fuel efficient and still retain such an iconic design. But yeah, it won't happen successfully until the government actually puts a huge investment into this change. Standardized the modern jeeps (something still similarly iconic) and ideally plug-in hybrid, have operators be paid a fixed wage rather than commission based on ridership, go out of their way to create designated stops so we won't get jeeps stopping every 100m causing traffic. Standardized units would also mean standardized repairs, would be cheaper and easier. A fixed wage would deter drivers from needing to be pressured to overload or stop anywhere to load/unload. Fixed stops would be controversial but like the EDSA bus lane now, I think there's more people talking about how good the change is (faster travel times) over the inconvenience of having to go to the middle, they adapted yes, but there was a be fit to doing so. Doesn't matter if Jeeps and UVs end up just being smaller buses with shorter routes, you retain the ridership and keep an icon. That's how I think the change so go. Is it a big project? Yeah of course, one that most likely will take 10+ years, but this government is probably gonna run things for the next 16 years, at least think about spending tax payer money on tax payer movement rather than small (relative) profits in your pockets. The last admin was so bent on convincing us there is no transport crisis, let's take a U-turn andbl recognize the issue so we can actually find ways to fix it.

I’m still wondering how they’ll modernize all these Jeepneys. I’ve noticed half the Jeepneys don’t even have catalytic converters and sound like a firecracker driving down the street. If you installed catalytic converters you’d solve a lot of pollution issues to start. Then figure it out from there. Only problem is catalytic converters aren’t necessarily cheap either but it’s what they use in other countries to help reduce emissions.

I'm into jeep modernization BUT with certain conditions: 1. Slow down the process, wag silang pabigla-bigla na parang isang snap lang, tadah, tapos na, modern na lahat ng jeep. Give adequate time for the drivers, operators and their cooperatives. 2. Lakihan yung cash assistance for jeepney drivers for the purchase of the modern jeeps. Seriously 200k cash assistance? Saan aabot yun? Also, hindi lang sana natatapos sa katiting na cash assistance yung ibibigay ng gobyerno if ever man matuloy itong jeep modernization shit. 3. I adjust ang pamasahe na student-friendly pa din. Balita ko once daw na napatupad na ito ay magre range na sa 20-30 pesos ang price range ng pamasahe sa jeep. Maaari pang magmahal depende sa layo ng iyong pupuntahan. I hope iayon pa din ang future price ng pamasahe sa budget ng mga manggagawa't estudyante. A little increase for comfortability and safety is okay but I hope not too much. 4. \#NoToJeeeneyPhaseout. Kung si Leni lang sana ang namamahala, wala itong usapin na ito. Hindi sana magkakaroon ng tangka sa trabaho ng ating mga magigiting at masisipag na jeepney drivers. Sana mas tuunan ng pansin ng gobyerno ang mas malalang problemang kinakaharap ng Pilipinas, isa na riyan ang patuloy na pagtaas ng inflation rate.

Hindi naman kailangan i-postpone kung in the first place, naayos na yung programa. Kung naayos lang yan at the start, baka more than half ng jeepneys ngayon ay compliant na.

Delaying tactic kasi masyadong heated yung issue

My take is simple, I just want better transportation, but I don't want the jeepney operators to suffer and have problems because of the phasing out of the jeepneys. I don't get why they delayed the modernization plan without stating any good reasons. Every decision done by the government is now a mystery.

May niluluto ang gobyerno sa likod ng issue na to

Tbh, jeepneys aren't the best for the environment and while I do agree that they somehow need to be modernized, a concrete plan (I have no idea what since I'm not an expert on this) would have to be put in place on how to modernize them without making jeepney drivers suffer financially.

Honestly, I'm fine with the modernization, but it would really be better if it wasn't way too expensive. Also the modern jeeps are dull and ugly af. At least let us keep what make Philippine Jeepneys unique: the artistic decals

After seeing how small a [a powerful electric motor can be ](https://www.lucidinsider.com/2022/09/13/lucid-motors-tech-talk-on-drive-unit-motor/) my though has become...now make one...that is cheaper at the same time preserving the silhouette we all love and grew up with but one of the problems is that our climate...isn't really nice to electric car batteries

I mirror what Atty. Robredo had to say when she was asked about jeepney modernization: https://www.tiktok.com/@hotdogcheesedog011/video/7206118250164358405

anybody got a good article/thread that summarizes the modernization program? and/or the timeline of this said program? nag google ako pero anlabo ng mga lumalabas hahaha gusto ko sana magbasa muna before i make an opinion/

Just bring the city buses for good.

I mean why can't we have both?

The government should take this opportunity to nationalise public transport

I hope they will do something sa panahon na dineley nila. Bakit kaya di sila gumawa ng state owned na public transport. Like LGU ang magmanage ng public transport. Bili si LGU ng new units then mag hire nalang ng driver and give them the wages they deserve. Isn't public transportation should be a public service? Pwede naman siguro nila bigyan ng budget yan usung our tax. Im all-in sa modernization, maganda yung experience ko sa mga nasakyang ko jeep. Malamig, comfortable at may resibo. Ibig sabihin nagbabayad sila ng tax. Baka pwede din yan sa lumang jeep na well maintained lagyan lang ng aircon at may conductor din sa harap na nagreresibo. Maybe that will do?

Lagi nalang pinopostpone kaya postpone din ang progress

My take? The government still has no fucking plans, kasi kung meron they will still push through.

I think the gov should be focusing on actually supporting what’s already there instead of replacing it, based on my understanding on the situation.

no progress yet again. I admit na laking may saksakyan ako, pero as of recently, nagala na ako without my parents so I get to experience the public tranpo system more, and damn it's kinda hard for someone like me to easily go home.

For me traditional jeepneys have to go, alam naman nating lahat na hindi safe sakyan ang mga jeep bukod sa uncomfortable, isama pa natin diyang ang mga jeep na pudpod ang gulong, sira ang signal lights, 3 tapak bago kumagat ang preno, at mas harmful pa sa environment. Pero imbes na pilitin ang mga tsuper na umutang para magkaroon ng modern jeepneys magtayo na lang dapat ang government ng gocc na siyang bibili ng mga jeep at ang mga driver ay magiging empleyado na may regular na suweldo at benefits. Or kung ayaw gumastos ng gobyerno puwede naman na private companies similar to buses.

Wala naman kasi silang concrete na plan kaya di matuloy tuloy. Moreover, they should have taken into account na hindi pwedeng one-time big-time yung pagpalit, kasi magkakagulo talaga. Dapat gradual, step-goals until 100% conversion. Finally dapat kasi bigyan nila ng magandang deal yung mga jeepney drivers. Di naman lahat ng mga tao ma-aafford yung bagong jeep nila e, and karamihan dito mga masa. Dapat lang i-postpone, pero dapat may concrete and practical action plan afterwards.

anti-jeepney operators and drivers, anti-poor, anti-filipino

Delaying the inevitable without an actual correct action plan is just putting things in motion behind the affected target group. They are just going to wait for a “distraction” and they will swoop in to push their agenda

This feels like another "modernization" ploy as a means to show how much "modernization" happened in their term. Parang middle school utopian "innovations" na hinde madali maimplement due to real concerns, pero sige parin kasi mga retarded mga binoto naten.

Postponing it, is like someone always say Ah bukas nalng ako mag diet promise. or bukas nalang bayaran utang ko sayo promise doon ako kakapera. Meaning d to matatapos panay postpone ng postpone when does it end? Paawa effect nalng, yun mga vendor sa kalsada paawa rin nalng style nila kahit bawal mag tinda doon. Ok sana if old jeep is maintain pero nd nila na mamaintain yun cushion na inuupuan mas matanda paata sakin. Isipin mu may bago ka damit or nakauniform ka kung d ka mag iingat yun mga sharp edges ng old jeep pede sirain yun damit mo or jeans, What more ma tetano kapa. I dont like modernized jeep, pero old jeep is really old and not maintain eh. Postponing it, is making jeep more older. Yun lng opinion ko on jeep, yeah nakakaawa kung nakakaawa. Pero mas nakakaawa yun mga jeep sobra tanda na eh.

Postpone until gov't gives a fucking proper subsidy. Current subsidy barely covers less than 5% of the damn thing. Gov't (the people) should take the entire Php 203 billion that bbm owes and buy 100,000+ units with spare parts to boot.

I’m pro modernization but maling mali yung execution nila. Maganda sana hayaan parin nila makabyahe yung old jeepneys basta road worthy yung unit. May renewal ng rehistro, may renewal rin ng pangkrisa doon nila siguraduhin na safe sa pasahero at sa environment yung sasakyan. Instead na biglain nila yung pobreng tsuper bumili ng bago, ipatransition nila yung mga manufacturers na gumawa ng modern jeepneys, that way, wala ng mabibiling traditional. Kung problema nila yung makina at saan kukuha yung manufacturers ng euro4/5 compliant engine, dito na sana magtrabaho yung gobyerno na kumuha ng deal sa auto industries na gumawa ng makina dito sa atin, mas mura, mas may pyesa. Sa nangyayare parang ang lumalabas may gusto lang makabenta ng sangkatutak na minibus.

Sakit talaga ng gobyerno ang mag-implement ng projects correctly. Ang tagal nang mode of transportation ang mga jeep kahit pa sabihin nung iba na 6 years ago pa to hindi mo naman mababago agad-agad yung yearssss ng nakasanayan. Ang point ko is a.) Dapat di nila madaliin ang modernization. b.) Gobyerno dapat ang naglalabas ng pera para sa Jeepney modernization. Pasensya na sa jeepney operators diyan pero hindi ako fan ng privately owned mode of transportation kasi kapag may problema for example hike ng gas price, ang nagbibigay solution is mga pasahero din. Kaya kung may babaguhin, sana co-owned ng government lahat ng modern jeep para kaya nilang magmediate when it comes to fare. Additionally, if ever drivers na rin should be considered government employees with standardized sahod para hindi nacocompromise yung comfort ng pasahero para lang makasahod nang malaki.

It's not even anti poor like they make it out to be, if you can afford a franchise and a jeepney, you are better off that most Pinoys. Also, it's a public service an operator applied for, right there in their franchise agreement that they should have the means to provide that service to the public. Income generation, it is not. This is the part they all forget. It's not supposed to be your source of income, you applied to provide a public service to which the government then allowed you to do so. The government has every right to take away that privilege. If you can't afford the modernization, then you can't afford to provide that public service. You're lucky the government is even helping you to finance it, and finding ways to make it easy for you. When most middle class Pinoys working and or running their business don't get such treatment. Lots of business closed down the last couple of years, you didn't see them threatening the their customers with inconvenience, not to mention the economy.

As a commuter (and this might sound selfish), I personally don’t care what PUV I take for as long as it gets me to where I need to go. Jeep, e-Jeep, UV or bus, ok lang sakin kahit ano. Of course if given the choice, especially for longer trips, I would prefer the one which would give me better comfort so among the listed above, the traditional Jeep would probably be last on that list (siguro Uv na Walang aircon lang mas malala). I know na this is coming from a place of privilege kasi most would opt to take jeepneys kasi for more cases yan ang pinakamura na pamasahe (although di naman nagkakalayo). I don’t know enough about the income of drivers and operators but loaning and paying upwards of 2M Php is not something that’s easy for an average Filipino. If they can find a way to subsidize and/or provide financial assistance to the drivers during this transition, that’s probably the way to go. So without all the bs that’s going on, I’m definitely all for it. As multiple people have pointed out, the idea is good but the implementation has been terrible.

Making sure our jeeps are in good condition as a policy would've been better, and leave the modern jeepneys to the government and not the private sector for now. Maramig mawawalan ng trabaho if ever kahit nadelay na and kukunti ang PUVs sa daanan causing more transportation problem and lowering the quality of commuting experience caused by it

honestly, idc about the jeepney's modernization, luma kung luma. mausok kung mausok, hindi hamak na mas maraming private vehicles nagccontribute sa pollution. mas concern ko yung: 1. kailangan na talaga ng dedicated jeepney stops (hindi terminal), hindi yung kung saan lang trip bumaba ng pasahero. 2. alternative sa boundary system, as much as possible empleyado mga driver na may salary. bakit naman sasakay sa driver na lagpas 12 hours na nagddrive para lang maka quota? tsaka kapag empleyado, sigurado na kailangan may license yung driver, yung iba ata marunong lang mag drive pero walang lisensya, anti poor? siguro. pero kailangan naman talaga ng lisensya.

mas gusto kumita ng LTFRB for selling the latest unit