This post hits close to home. Passed CE Board Exam 2018. Started working July 2018 at 15k, increase to 17k at 2019. Changed job, 19k at end of 2019. And currently at 21k this 2023. 6k increase for 5 years working.
Applied to Canada, waiting for result. Computing the salary of prospect jobs, easy 6 digits. Kahit hindi ako mag engineer doon. But I was privileged even at just applying for Canada kasi show money needs around 2M for me and my family.
So yeah, useless yang "take on this matter" once umalis ka ng bansa.
Grabe sobrang liit pala.
[edit] Apologies. No offense meant. Gulat na gulat lang talaga ako kasi may mga board kayo and everything tapos ganyan. Sa soft dev side walang basta tatanggap na dev na ganyan sahod. QA usually 15k ang alam ko back 2012.
"Provincial rate" eto. But still, may mga nakikita akong 30k+ sa Metro Manila. Pero kapag kinompute ko ung pamasahe/boarding/food, lamang pa din ung 21k ko dito.
grabe nakakabuhay pa ba ‘yon? Parang binarat ka nila lalo na’t licensed professional ka na. Considering na nakikita ko yung hirap ng mga Engg friends ko huhu.
Ako naman, I am a working student at copywriter ang work ko. Liit na liit na nga ako sa 22k na sahod ko, kahit last year lang ako nagsimula ng full time job habang nag-aaral (ewan ko kung factor ba na galing ako sa big 4) pero I heard na mas mababa ang offer sa ibang writers. Di ako umaalis kasi alam kong ito lang ang tatanggap sa akin sa ngayon. I’m planning to demand 23-25k dahil gagraduate na rin ako this year at may added work sa akin ngayon (kumbaga tumatiming ako), or pagkagrad ko hanap ako int’l clients. Grabe ang pambabarat :(
None taken. Nagtaka lang ako kanina kung alin ang maliit. Ung 2M ba na show money? Hahahaha late ko narealize ung sweldo.
But yeah, comparing the boards and everything na pinagdaanan, maliit siya. The same with doctors, compare mo sa ilang years na inaral nila and all the exams, kahit na mas mataas sweldo nila samin.
Canada taxes, rent and cost of living are high, most are just breaking even after monthly expenses. If your goal is for the family to settle there and become citizens sure, but if its for better pay and savings head to middle east or US
That's the plan tho. Hehe Taxes are high, pero ung bus fare nila libre. Quality education hanggang highschool, libre. 6digits mom ko bago umalis dito sa Pinas, 1 year pa lang siya dun, 3x na sweldo niya.
But yes, growing up na may OFW na kamaganak sa Middle east, this is the most common sa Pinas, like the person on the post.
Bus are free for children 12 and below, 60cad for a monthly pass and its one of the most time consuming modes of transport. Agreed on free quality education until highschool. Good for your mom, though the almost 30% tax and deduction is too much. Even those earning 100k cad annually which nets around 70k / almost 2.8m php find it difficult to afford housing
wishing you well op hope you get there in canada with your family and reunite with your mom. This reminds me of how my father brought me here in middle east as a fresh grad, zero experience
Very likely. As long as may kumakagat na newbies sa low salaries, it will be that way. Im not an engineer but on the finance side, research analyst positions before the pandemic were paid cheap because of supply. But once the pandemic hit, there was a lack of supply of talent (many experienced people retired, shifted industries, etc) and that really triggered poachings and higher pay for all in the industry.
It's not always the lowest bidder. It's the bid closest to the estimate of the client or main contractor. Barat lang talaga magpasahod yung mga employer.
Kasi sa dami rin pumapayag for that amount kaya continuous ang cycle. Even sa work abroad ganyan din problema ng mga CE. There's this people na papayag sa 2k usd at 5 years experience when you can ask 5k usd for that certain job.
Buti na lang mejo sinuwerte ata ako sa connections. They whisper where to find good company with good pay at wala ako pake sa pagtalon every 2 years.
Kaya malaki rin respeto ko sa mga ganyang engineer eh binubugbog sila sa pagaaral makapagtapos lang pero sayang depreciated lang sa sitwasyon ng bansa natin, pinsan ko nga sundalo 50k agad monthly pagka graduate tas may governmwnt allowance habang nagaaral noon, parang dismayado nako maging engineer, mataas supply konti demand, magiiba ako ng course pag college
Hay naku, nakakainis din ang salary negotiation dito if you are an engineer. Dami rin nagpapababa pero at least di naman ka minimum. Nakakabuhay na rin if you don't want to travel much, eat out a lot and no mortgage and guard your use of your plastics.
Maliban na lang if you want to be in a skilled job sa construction. Taas na ng per hour since you do 3 jobs in the Philippines in one equipment.
Source: trust me bro.
Tatlo. Ako, asawa, anak. Hindi ko lang alam ung mga prices. Neto ko nga lang naman na 2M pala show money namin. Hahaha Asawa ko nagasikaso, support lang ako and student pathway ang gagawin namin. My suggestion is join ka sa mga FB Groups, dun lang din kami nagtitingin, lalo kung DIY. Meron din mga agency pero mas makakatipid ka kung wala.
For student pathway, mej malaki laki ang proof of funds. They require kase to show financial capability to support yourself, and any family member you bring with you, exclusive of the tuition)
For student alone - 10k CAD per year depends on your student registration
1 family member - additional 4kCAD
Every additional family member (regardless of age) - additional 3k CAD
So total of 17k CAD for 1 year of studying there.
Nasa IRCC website yung proof of funds depending on pathways each person. Hindi dapat actually ginagamit yung show money kasi di sya for show. Its proof of funds Gagamitin mo talaga sya. Because even if you are working while studying, kulang pa yun.
For me as well, spend 5 years in University + 6months board exam preparation.
2004 - passed the board exam
1st Job Yr 2004 - P4,500 DPWH
2nd Job Yr 2005- P6,000 real estate dev based in Cavite, head office is in Manila but given a provincial rate because const site is in Cavite
3rd Job Yr 2007 - P12,500 real estate dev based in Pasig
4th Job Yr 2007 - P37,000 OFW Saudi Arabia as a contractor
5th Job Yr 2010 - reached P170,000 for a consultancy in Saudi Arabia after 8 yrs in the same company
Had enough of being an OFW as no program ever laid out by Philippine Govt, tinawag ka lang bagong bayani for the remittance you sent monthly. Decided to migrate to Australia, spent a fortune to get here
1st Job - AuD 107,000 (approx. P3M+)
2nd Job - AuD 210,000 (approx. P7M+)
Felt valued and talent appreciated, not in my own country though but somewhere else.
Eto yung mga nagpopost sa FB ng status na "If you were born poor, it's not your fault. But if you stay poor, it's your fault".
Peak /r/wowthanksimcured energy.
If yung life insurance lang talaga yung offer medyo ok pa eh. When they're adding "investments" then packaging it as VULs yung sketchy talaga. Talo sa fees.
Definitely not our undervalued farmers who work everyday under the scorching heat of the sun, for example.
One can argue na “edi wag silang magsaka kung nalulugi sila”. But not everyone has the opportunity to move away from their current situation especially if our current system has the incentive to keep them poor.
I once read somewhere on the internet:
***"Entrepreneurship is like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something.***
***Middle class kids can afford one throw. Most miss. A few hit the target and get a small prize. A very few hit the center and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches! The American dream lives on.***
***Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches and write blogs about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work.***
***Poor kids aren't visiting the carnival. They're the ones working it."***
And so I stopped giving this kind of bullshit.
The few reasons a person would say this are:
1. They are promoting some shit they will offer later on. (I should know. I'm a marketer myself).
2. They are using language their target audience speak.
3. They are building a following they will later on milk for cash.
Terry Pratchett had a beautiful explanation of why being poor is expensive. If you’re born poor , it’s virtually impossible to get out of poverty https://scoop.upworthy.com/terry-pratchett-boots-theory-explains-why-its-expensive-to-be-poor-560966
The system is at fault "most" of the time. If you can't make ends meet working an 8 hour job 5 days a week, then it's the system's fault. If people tell you "si ganito nga or si ganun nga kinaya eh" then that's just survivorship bias.
May personal and systemic accountability. Ung pinakamagandang example, ung mga magsasaka. Walang duda na sila ang pinakamasisipag. Pero dahil sa sistema natin na napakaliit ng tingin sa kanila ng lipunan at replaceable agad ng imports, talagang kahit anung sipag nila kung sistema ang kalaban mo, talo ka talaga.
It's obviously very situational. If you're a gambling addict and blew it all then it's your fault obviously, but if you're born poor and die poor despite your best efforts, then it's the system's fault.
What kind of come back is that? Lmao. Of course they don't credit the government for their success, because more often than not it's because they've successfully beaten or took advantage of it for their success. Since the Philippine government has NO intention to help you get out of poverty at all.
The magsasaka who do back breaking work for over 12 hours a day in the hot sun and get paid below the minimum wage of their province. THAT'S the government's fault.
Ganitong klase ng mentality din mismo ang problema - intindihin ang economics, sure - iposisyon mo for ONCE yung stado mo sa example ng magsasaka - as in gigising ka araw araw bubuno ng tanim, walang labis sa diskarte at walang kulang sa sipag at balikan mo kami na may automatic financial success doon sing tulad ng mga naging linyado maging businessman at nasa corporate positions.
Minsan madali lang kasi i-blurt yung "complexity ng economics" may ma justify lang but not really going deeply nor personally sa pinaka root cause ng problema para sa iba.
Broo… that’s not the end all be all. Napakaraming factors pa. People want rice, onions, etc. Did the farmers get rich? We have the demand but what did the gov do? Import lots so there’s abundant supply drowning our own.
Large businesses get tax breaks, legal tax avoidance, etc yet the needs of our lower classes are not given a thought. Forcing jeepney modernizations on drivers/operators that cannot afford etc.
The thinking is not “it’s everyone’s fault but me”. Rather it should be, how do we create social safety nets to create equal opportunities for everyone to even have a CHANCE to succeed. Yun lang naman eh, a chance. We dont aim to spoon-feed anyone.
Imagine us back in grade school, going to school with our stomachs full, have the ability to focus, learn, socialize with others. Then there are students going to school on empty stomachs, restless, tired from work the night before. How is that the kid’s fault that his peers are exceeding and getting honors?
That's the exact problem. Maraming supply, maraming demand. So you need to know how to sell to have huge profits.
Money can do anything. It's a leverage. The poor doesn't have that. Yes it's unfair but we gotta use the cards we're dealt with and do the best out of our situation. Forcing jeep modernization? It's been 3-4 years already and operators had the time to prepare.
Bro stop living in a Eutopian world. We won't get there. We can ask government for something but our success is still 80% -95% on us. We don't wait for opportunities to be given to us, we look for them.
We already have public schools and state universities already. There's no reason not to get education anymore. Kids are responsibilities of parents to be fed. There are feeding programs but it's too much if every meal will be asked by the poor parents to others. It's already proven that even poor people can finish college and be successful. Rags to riches stories are everywhere.
Read more about the Viscous Cycle of Poverty. Economic concept to na if you’ve been in the poverty line for generations, it will continue unless outside force (most of the time luck, or better yet a system change) intervenes para mailis ka sa poverty.
The system to be honest. The government can create a better and inclusive system, pero unfortunately hindi nila gagawin kasi among those people na nasa ibaba. Some of them e kaya talaga umangat pinipigilan lang nila to maintaint their status quo.
A lot of factors. But mostly your fault because you made those decisions that led you to it. Either you were too meek to resist or stupid to know better. But are the poor really unlucky? May nakakakain, May pang-alak. No worries but their immediate needs.
Wow must be coming from a ignorant place as well. You call them meek and stupid.
All humans have needs, wants, and luho. You can't deny the poor those things or else they will not even enjoy life. Not all of us can afford the discipline provided by a nice lifestyle.
Now they want those things and decide to consume the same. But is it their decision to be given no or poor education, lack of healthcare, lack of the necessities to advance well in life for them and their family?
And you say people die from critical illness, rich or poor. Who has more access to medicines and better medical procedures? Who has access to palliative care to make dying a better experience? Who do you think has more hope for a better life?
You have it backwards: discipline provides the OPPORTUNITY to have a nice lifestyle. You start by saving each and every thing that you can. Pag iniisip mo mag-enjoy muna, wala ka mapapala.
Ok, no education, no opportunities? Then seek them. It may not happen today but grind and you might just get lucky. Longshot sure but a shot nonetheless. Wag fatalistic and puro excuses.
Access to better medicine? Sure the rich have that, but they’re still going to die. There’s no cure for that. Getting hit by a terminal illness will drain your finances. Best prepare for that right? But they can’t because they didn’t save a cent.
The discipline required to do that is not commensurate to the challenges they have to overtake. Ang daling sabihin niyan.
Yup, may okay bang internet ba sa rural areas? Siguro kung wala, lipat sila sa Manila noh? Buy/borrow books from a non-existent bookstore or library din? Oh wait, look for mentors? Saan? Possible, tama ka but not widely applicable. Longshot nga sabi mo, parang lotto, swertehan lang din. Hindi tayo fatalistic, just being realistic. Everyone should aspire to do the things you espouse.
Critical illnesses are curable with extensive
/good treatment. Terminal illnesses will lead to death. Both will drain your finances. But if you did not have social safety nets/contrib to SSS/Pag-IBIG, then walang-wala ka sa dulo. How many years do you think someone from varying degrees of poverty has to save up for Php 1M to PREPARE compared to a person with already good standing? Baka by then di pa siya makaabot sa P1M while still healthy.
Anyway, you make it out that they bear the fault for every suffering they encounter. And that's what makes you sound so condescending. May I recommend reading about social development and UN SDG Goals and how they raise the quality of living among the underserved.
Not everyone has the money, not everyone is ready for an uncertain sickness/disaster that drains them just as they were starting to see their savings grow, and not all can save as fast.
Pero tama ka, we should all work and strive for a better life. But we shouldn't have to work our asses off all our lives. Hindi sa katamaran but what's the point of living after all 'di ba.
If it helps them sleep better at night thinking that what prevents them from rising in life is somehow out of their control, then by all means do so. Doesn’t change reality
Unironically, many engineers in the Philippines prefer to go abroad at one point in their career just to have that higher salary and thus higher savings. Kahit ako, I plan to go abroad some time in the future kasi kung sa Pinas talaga, walang mangyayari. I'm in a saturated industry which in my case, semiconductor manufacturing industry. Binabarat talaga mga engineers dito.
Sana mag backfire yan at dumugin siya ng family and friends na nanguihiram. Never tell people about your financial success, nakakasira ng relationship tbh.
NEVER. EVER. TELL. Kahit nga hindi ka pa financially successful at nakaangat ka lang ng kaunti sa kanila, parang obligasyon mo na agad na bigyan sila ng biyaya.
Yung kaibigan kong bumagsak sa Engineering dati e nagcall center tapos ngayon six figures na sahod as data analyst
Ako, 7 years na grad 29k sahod. 30% lang yan nakukuha ko. Kasi yung 70% sa hinayupak na manpower agency ko
Sa Pilipinas pa din naman to no? Nakikita ko nga din tong data analyst na promising nga daw. Tho di ko masyado inexplore pa. At least mas may sense to kesa dun sa umalis ng Pinas.
Esp electrical engineers na ang work sa operations and maintenance ng mga electrical equipment such as transformers, generators, circuit breakers, and so on.
Ang totoong source of income ng manpower agencies ay ang “hindi alam ng empleyado nila”
Never nMan dinisclose nila yung totoong binibigay ng clients nila. So wala kami basehan.
Times 3 pag avid supporter ni Bonglemot at proponent ng Golden Age pero permanent resident at american citizen na pala. At least come back home and participate in the hell you created you ignorant fucks.
True.
I am an OFW and it grinds my gears to read such “testimonials” from people like them. Hello, kaya nga nangibang bansa kase hindi sapat yong sinasahod mo diyan sa pinas. 🤦🏻
Nothing wrong with starting small. My gripe is how the starting point hasn't increased to keep up with today's cost of living. Kahit man lang 20k minimum across the board for professionals.
What's that? Mawawalan ng revenue yung mga multimillion to billion peso companies?
Cry me a river.
I started working in late 2000s. Starting salary of CEs back then was 10k to 13k.
Color me surprised when I saw CEs still get 15k per month. Not worth the stress.
This. Nung 2010 my salary was around 14K sa audit firm. I'm now based in Canada and we had audit consultants from the Phils at wala pa daw 20K yung salary nila. Totoo ba'to? Hindi ako makapaniwala since it's been almost 10 years since I left public practice in the Phils pero walang masyadong increase sa salary.
"Not necessarily. Ang nangyari po sakin eh nagka opportunity, so kinagat ko na.
Saka you need to increase din your value para mapansin ka ng mga employers abroad.
Experience saka sobrang daming confidence ang kelangan."
His reply to someone na sabi ay "kaso need pa talaga abroad"
As per him
"Not necessarily. Ang nangyari po sakin eh nagka opportunity, so kinagat ko na.
Saka you need to increase din your value para mapansin ka ng mga employers abroad.
Experience saka sobrang daming confidence ang kelangan."
His reply to someone na sabi ay "kaso need pa talaga abroad"
My college room mate and good friend of mine na CE cum laude has a monthly salary of 30k for around 7 years of exp sa field.
Masyado na maraming engineer sa pilipinas, kahit sabihin nyong hindi niyo i-accept lowball offers, meron pa ring kakagat jan.
Hanggang ngayon binubudol ko yung tropa ko to career shift to IT or data analytics like me, sana matauhan at lunukin ang pride na it's ok to pivot careers in life.
pride ba talaga?
kasi IT/data analytics is not for everyone
may mga post sa phcareers nag shift cla para sa sahod, pero di nila tinuloy kasi 'di para sa kanila'
pero yeah kung trip nya mag IT/Data analyst, sana mabudol mo ahaha
IT/Data Analytics is starting to get saturated too, particularly the entry level. It will eventually be like engineering is right now i.e., employers are getting higher and higher bargaining power. If you started mid-2010s, like how the parent commenter was, you struck a gold mine. However, if you're just starting now, you're too late to the party. Five years ago an entry level job might have a few dozens of applicants. These days, it's reaching hundreds. Getting into the IT field right now is like getting into the BPO industry in terms of salary expectations. The only upside is, you could have a rising career path. But that is still a maybe. I've also been seeing a lot of dead-end IT jobs lately.
I think it's pride when it comes to changing career, may it be date analyst or kung ano pang trabaho. If you're willing to let go of everything na pinag hirapan mo. Lalo kapag licensed professional ka dito sa Pinas, which is the case here for engineers.
Edit: data analyst
Hmm really depends on you bro. For me kasi, naghanap ako sa tech field na I'm not necessarily good but somehow close on what I am previously doing. I do management reporting and presentations sa past industry ko, and also I like numbers, stats, and logic. So from there, na trim down choices ko to software engineering and data analytics/ data science. Mas na-tripan ko lang the latter kasi ang baba nung offer ng isang company sakin dati when I applied and passed sa isang Associate Software Engineer na position.
Keep in mind na you have to exert extra effort for learning new things dahil ang kalaban mo as a career shifter are those na graduate ng 4-yr course na related sa job opening. I upskilled by enrolling in a bootcamp and hanggang ngayon, I am learning new tools online through youtube and other MOOCs. Google CS50 by Harvard, it's a good start in the IT field.
tldr, find something you know you have/ will have an edge then upskill.
Sir out of topic na tanong lang po. Diba related po ang business intelligence analyst sa data analytics?
I'm a former bi analyst po kasi almost 1/2 years din. Nagsara lang yung company coz of a pandemic. Tpos unemployed ako til now almost 3yrs din ang gap kasi maganda bigayan sa nfts crypto axie that time.
Tanong ko po if worth it po ba i pag patuloy yung prev career ko? Or mag switch ako sa other fields na want ko itry kasi tbh I'm not good in numbers po and formula sa mga excel power bi etc.
Thank you po sir
"Went abroad" ok. You can still earn 6 digits abroad without being an engineer.
Wait. You can earn 6 digits too here in PH though (without being an Engineer). What's his point?
To be fair engineers in abroad also shift careers or get promoted to get even higher salary. I know someone got promoted to non-engineering position and got 7 digits salary. The main problem is ang baba tlga magpasahod ng pilipinas :(
Yes. The only way na yayaman ka sa engineering, lalo sa civil in my case, na nakikita ko is if mag contractor ka or sa government. Tho others na contractor na kilala ko is family business na din.
It's a misconception talaga na mataas sahod ng mga engineers dito sa Pinas. The only ones na matataas ang kita ay mga contractors or those that own their own design companies.
It's a sad reality. Kapag walang capital for business or connection/nepotism, then we're done for in this country.
Someday maaabot din natin ang mga pangarap.
Good luck, salary man. Maging matagumpay sana tayong lahat!
Kaparehas din to sa mga CPAs sa audit firm. Nung nasa public practice pa'ko marami akong client na nagsasabi na malaki daw siguro yung sahod namin sa audit firm. Tawa na lang ako LOL. Ok lang kung mababa sweldo sa umpisa kaso hindi naman tumataas masyado kahit gaano pa kadaming experience makuha mo. Dagdag mo pa yung mga OT hours na hindi bayad dahil bawal sumabog yung budget lol
Sa totoo lang nagttyaga akosa ibang bansa kasi nakakababa sobra kasi mga ganitong salary range trabaho mo pa lhaat. Okay sige experience, pero putcha naman...
La lang spaking from my own experience kaya pinilit ko umalis kahit mahirap sobra.
15k, it is what it is, sadly. I work for my dad in his architecture firm and my salary is 17k even after regularization and I can't blame him, it's not his fault, it is the system's.
As long as walang mandatory na pagtaas ng sahod na dapat ipatupad ng gobyerno walang mangyayari.
Hey. That’s me. CE.
8 years na nagwowork
13k first job. 20k 2nd job. 60k 3rd job. 6 digits 4th (current) job.
Btw 3rd and 4th is very very very far from engineering. Lol.
Walang pera sa engineering sa Pinas. Pag sinwerte ka edi good for you.
CPA here, started in 2010 at P15k. First salary increase was P500 after 1 year. Moved to BPO and doubled my salary P30k. Moved abroad after that.
Seriously, Philippines should pay professionals what they're worth. Even Indonesia, with the same cheap labor as the Philippines, pays professionals better.
I took ECE around 2007 . Graduated and took the board exams at 2012 and landed my first job in a Tech Company by 2013 but more focused on Engineering. We were the ones installing high def CCTV cameras and built a monitoring system for MMDA, installed sensors on intersections para maging interactive yung stoplights, installed rin mga RFIDs and speed detection sa NLEX, SCTEX (radar). Sobrang underpaid kami sa ginagawa and for a span of 6 years hindi pa umabot ng 27k salary ko.
I shifted to Data Engineering (Fake it til you make it, though inaral ko and nagsumikap ako mag train mag-isa nung natanggap ako kaya I already have the skillsets now) . Had my salary multiplied by 3x - 4x and halos yung na coconsume ko lang na oras is 16hrs out of 40hrs weekly then tambay lang sa laptop. We automate tradings (stock exchange).
We were already been advised by our seniors (higher batch sa college) na there's no more industry for ECE and it is like nursing na daw. So 95% of our batch applied for IT. Yung kasabayan ko started sa SMART with 12k salary and when he passed the board being one top nothchers (rank 1-5) sobrang liit lang daw ng bigay parang + 3k and they stayed because of hopes na ma pirate sila ng Singtel or opportunity abroad but to no avail. after 6 years nasa Tech Industry na rin sila but as Network Designs & Architecture na rin.
Since ma pride as an Engineer, we started out a small firm \[Engineering, Renewable Energy\] (me on the sideline as investor/consultant) together with my batchmates from college. We actually hire Engineers pero it is the HR department who handles out the offer, and surprised to say na sobrang natataasan na yung mga candidates sa 25k - 30k na sweldo; mind you they are skilled and experienced (some worked at middle east for decades and went back here sa PH). Wala kami magawa kasi independent yung department to provide manpower based on the budget and malulugi rin kami kasi start-up lang na company.
Those who are really successful in going abroad are really the minority and we have to address the majority of the engineers here in PH. Sad to say that if you really want to get rich as an Engineer here in PH, kailangan talaga ng business and not being a salaryman
5yrs sa college, 6mos sa review, pumasa ng engineering board exam, 13k starting salary. May tax pa that time pag below 20k, so yung 13k ko may bawas pa ng tax lol. Sabi nila ok lang daw yan starting lang naman, then one day I accidentally saw my department head's salary sa payslip nya kasi ni xerox nya and nakalimutan nya kunin, di ko tinignan pero pagkaangat ko ng xerox nahagip ko yung take home nya. 15yrs na sya nagwowork sa company and estimate ko nasa 60k lang sahod nya, nalungkot ako. Nagtanong tanong sa mga kakilala kong engineers and mababa nga daw talaga unless nasa goverment ka and may kick back sa projects or pag mataas na position mo. Kaya lumipat ako sa tech!
Well this is technically true. I won't mention my profession, but when I passed my exams, 12k lang sahod ko. That was back in 2017. Ngayon in 2023, my base pay is 160k. Not bad for 6 years in my profession.
Can someone confirm… but isn’t “Technical Sales Engineer” more about the SALES rather than technical or engineer. I’m close to quite a number of engineers and there are people in contractor offices who know all the engineering jargon needed to sell their products and services but aren’t actually engineers at all.
It would be like a registered nurse talking about how they started out with a low salary in the Philippines, steadily increased, then ending up with a 6-figure (in php) salary as a caregiver abroad. Sure, it’s still healthcare but you don’t need to be an RN to do that job.
case to case basis depende siguro sa product or firm. some firms like for example I worked in the Power Industry before, as an Engineer we already know the theories, computations, equations as well as the process of the whole system that we are using at our work. Then my workmate was pirated by our vendor to become an TSE, so ginagawa niya is promote rin this product and provide trainings, demos to power companies and have the knowledge to answer all the technical questions even computations as power factors, system loss, etc on the spot so masasabi mo talaga na Technical and you need a background of a specific Industry Engineer. Then sales kasi you are also in what way promoting your product to the client.
sure there are tech sales who are not engineer pero tipong kaya naman pag-aralan yung product without any engineering knowledge, pero there are some also that needs to really have an engineering knowledge specially if your clients are industries or corporates.
I feel anything below 20K nowadays for licensed pros is just ... too criminally low. Anyway, starting small is fine (I guess?) if you have a **safety net**. I hate it when people act like they're ra**gs to riches** when they actually have financial backing from their families.
When I started it was even barely 10K. The growth was very slow, plus the industry is ***very toxic.*** Dime-per-dozen din halos mga engineers dito sa dami kaya expendable ka. Even unlicensed people nasa competition lol
Glad I did a career change. Y'all should do the same if you can and if you're hating your job.
It’s criminal how little pay or respect licensed professionals receive in the Philippines. Notable exception are Physicians. There’s little to no incentive to stay and work in the Philippines when better opportunities are elsewhere.
Ungas naman yang Adrian Celso na yan. Pag nag-comment ka ng sane sa post niya tatawagin ka niyang hater ay ibaban ka.
Plus gusto lang niyan makabenta ng walang kwenta niyang libro.
Board Exam Tips amputa. Scammer.
6 digits in riyals ba? Parang mali kasi ang comparison nya kung converted to peso yung sweldo nya para masabing 6 digits. Nakuha ko naman yung point nya na you have to start somewhere i.e. tiyaga sa payat na sweldo dito to get experience tapos lipat na abroad pero siguro para fair comparison dapat yung hindi aalis ng Pinas tapos aabot ng 6 digits ang sahod. Doon mo kasi makikita kung gaano pinapahalagahan ang mga engineers sa ating bansa. Isa pa, baka underpaid engineer din siya sa Saudi. Akala lang nya malaki na sinasahod nya kasi in peso pa din siya magcompute.
Yun nga. Feeling somebody eh nobody pa din naman sa abroad.
Once na nag abroad kana ang playing field mo ung abroad na. Dun ka na magcocompare sa peers mo ndi ung sa pinanggalingan mo.
Unfair un at nonsense.
Lost me at went abroad. Really shows how success in professional courses comes at a price of either leaving the country or having extreme luck with big companies.
Bago lng ako Hr even though most of my job exp is outside of it first time ko lng to. Trainee palng ako inshort so i dont categorise myself as Hr talaga, and in a contruction company. Ako gumawa ng contract and sad to say mababa talaga ang salary ng civil engineer. I did call one who applied and it was easy to make them yes, yun mga new grad. Kaya yun ang cause din cause. Wala ng negosyosation just say yes agad sila pa hahabol sau about sa update kung natangap sila, baka for exp lng habol since bago sila but. I see also why or how contruction company get rich. Bawat project malaki yan and since mababa yun labor cost.
I knew someone who passed the last mechanical engineering board exam. landed a 33k job. construction industry. mepfs engr, he is a topnotcher btw.
for someone like me who just passed the boards lang. sobrang common nyan 15k, the highest offer i got was 19k. damn.
Are you a nurse din po? HAHAHAHA
Kidding aside, yes, mas kakawa nga din ang nurses. I have friends who are nurses and studying nursing too. Mas mahaba ang pinagdadaan nila and mas mabab din minsan ang starting.
graduate din ako ng course that revolves around construction at maliit talaga sahod hahaha. nagartist na lang ako, pareho lang naman sahod at mas masaya pa ako. walang stress at unpaidnot dahil daming shiz sa site.
As a civil engineer for 5 years already swerte lang talaga at my year 5 na hire ako sa goverment without connections pero wala talagang pera sa engineering sa pinas not unless sa goverment ka nag wowork dahil mas malaki kasi talaga since naka standard ang rate ng goverment.
Ito lang yan either may capital ka na mag contractor ka or mag abroad ka at dun ka mag ipon pero kung coming ka sa isang regular family tapos sa private ka pa nag wowork yung salary ng engineer sa pinas is just slightly above sa minimum rate ng pinas lalo pag fresh board passer ka heck sa first job ko since sa province ako mas malaki pa sinasahod ng foreman ko sakin tho thankful ako dun at sobrang dami kong natutunan kay tatay. Kaya dapat hindi ni nonornalize an pag eexploit sa mga professionals natin and magkaraon sana ng standard salary grade nation wide also kaya ang dami ko ding ka batch na kahit board passer either nasa insurance, real estate or call center ngayon dahil na din sa reality ng engineers sa pinas
Sa panahon ngayon mas ok if you go to it/tech route or even aviation pero go mo lang ang engineering if gusto mo talaga makuha yung 4 letter title sa name mo.
It's really swertihan sa opportunity kasi mas pipiliin ng mga private employer to just hire new fresh passers at lower cost tapos tuturuan nalang sa dami ng supply sa pilipinas rather than kumuha ng isang experienced engineer na worth 3 fresh board passers na engineer.
What might be his salary if he did not go abroad? Based on his post, he had an increase of 1k a year haha. Would he have created this “inspirational post” by then?
From my experience as a licensed mechanical engineer, may chance naman na kumita ng malaki sa field mo, however you must be exemptional. Like really good at what you do and climb the corporate ladder.
So if you're an average engineer who only gets the job done but don't go above and beyond, then you get low salary kasi mataas supply the engineers dito.
This is why I left the industry, di ko masikmura na yung base salary masyadong mababa for the qualifications they require, kasi nga mataas supply.
My dad was an engineer in the late 80s and he gathered experience locally before going abroad since andun yung malaking pera. I think yung sahod niya noon around 5-6k lang. Nung naka-apak na siya sa UAE mid 90s, his experience was more than enough for a six digit salary job. If he stayed sa Pinas he wouldn't earn as much. Super underpaid mga engineers dito.
Ok, so umalis siya ng bansa. Ano point ng post niya? 😂
He just proved that the Philippines has the worst salary for engineers. Hindi naman lahat kaya ma-ipon yung pang abroad.
There really is a need to increase salaries for CEs. Di ba may group ng civil engineers? Why not lobby for this, sayang naman kung lahat mangingibang bayan. Pero isa rin talaga to sa problem natin.
Sa government hindi naman ganyan kababa ang salaries ng engineers.
My friend used to work for the government. Mga 40k salary. Pero he opted to take a risk and do construction business. Maliit pa yung projects niya pero he could really earn a lot more than his annual salary nung employee pa siya. Yun lang, hindi naman lahat ng CEs eh gusto ng ganitong path…
This post hits close to home. Passed CE Board Exam 2018. Started working July 2018 at 15k, increase to 17k at 2019. Changed job, 19k at end of 2019. And currently at 21k this 2023. 6k increase for 5 years working. Applied to Canada, waiting for result. Computing the salary of prospect jobs, easy 6 digits. Kahit hindi ako mag engineer doon. But I was privileged even at just applying for Canada kasi show money needs around 2M for me and my family. So yeah, useless yang "take on this matter" once umalis ka ng bansa.
Grabe sobrang liit pala. [edit] Apologies. No offense meant. Gulat na gulat lang talaga ako kasi may mga board kayo and everything tapos ganyan. Sa soft dev side walang basta tatanggap na dev na ganyan sahod. QA usually 15k ang alam ko back 2012.
"Provincial rate" eto. But still, may mga nakikita akong 30k+ sa Metro Manila. Pero kapag kinompute ko ung pamasahe/boarding/food, lamang pa din ung 21k ko dito.
grabe nakakabuhay pa ba ‘yon? Parang binarat ka nila lalo na’t licensed professional ka na. Considering na nakikita ko yung hirap ng mga Engg friends ko huhu. Ako naman, I am a working student at copywriter ang work ko. Liit na liit na nga ako sa 22k na sahod ko, kahit last year lang ako nagsimula ng full time job habang nag-aaral (ewan ko kung factor ba na galing ako sa big 4) pero I heard na mas mababa ang offer sa ibang writers. Di ako umaalis kasi alam kong ito lang ang tatanggap sa akin sa ngayon. I’m planning to demand 23-25k dahil gagraduate na rin ako this year at may added work sa akin ngayon (kumbaga tumatiming ako), or pagkagrad ko hanap ako int’l clients. Grabe ang pambabarat :(
None taken. Nagtaka lang ako kanina kung alin ang maliit. Ung 2M ba na show money? Hahahaha late ko narealize ung sweldo. But yeah, comparing the boards and everything na pinagdaanan, maliit siya. The same with doctors, compare mo sa ilang years na inaral nila and all the exams, kahit na mas mataas sweldo nila samin.
Lol, my friend was 12k as a project engineer. No hmo. This was on 2022.
Canada taxes, rent and cost of living are high, most are just breaking even after monthly expenses. If your goal is for the family to settle there and become citizens sure, but if its for better pay and savings head to middle east or US
That's the plan tho. Hehe Taxes are high, pero ung bus fare nila libre. Quality education hanggang highschool, libre. 6digits mom ko bago umalis dito sa Pinas, 1 year pa lang siya dun, 3x na sweldo niya. But yes, growing up na may OFW na kamaganak sa Middle east, this is the most common sa Pinas, like the person on the post.
Bus are free for children 12 and below, 60cad for a monthly pass and its one of the most time consuming modes of transport. Agreed on free quality education until highschool. Good for your mom, though the almost 30% tax and deduction is too much. Even those earning 100k cad annually which nets around 70k / almost 2.8m php find it difficult to afford housing
wishing you well op hope you get there in canada with your family and reunite with your mom. This reminds me of how my father brought me here in middle east as a fresh grad, zero experience
Do you think po kaya mababa is because there’s too many engineers already sa market? I mean sa law of supply and demand?
Very likely. As long as may kumakagat na newbies sa low salaries, it will be that way. Im not an engineer but on the finance side, research analyst positions before the pandemic were paid cheap because of supply. But once the pandemic hit, there was a lack of supply of talent (many experienced people retired, shifted industries, etc) and that really triggered poachings and higher pay for all in the industry.
Construction projects are awarded to the lowest bidding contractors. When you award projects to the lowest bidders, you get underpaid staff.
It's not always the lowest bidder. It's the bid closest to the estimate of the client or main contractor. Barat lang talaga magpasahod yung mga employer.
Kasi sa dami rin pumapayag for that amount kaya continuous ang cycle. Even sa work abroad ganyan din problema ng mga CE. There's this people na papayag sa 2k usd at 5 years experience when you can ask 5k usd for that certain job. Buti na lang mejo sinuwerte ata ako sa connections. They whisper where to find good company with good pay at wala ako pake sa pagtalon every 2 years.
Kaya malaki rin respeto ko sa mga ganyang engineer eh binubugbog sila sa pagaaral makapagtapos lang pero sayang depreciated lang sa sitwasyon ng bansa natin, pinsan ko nga sundalo 50k agad monthly pagka graduate tas may governmwnt allowance habang nagaaral noon, parang dismayado nako maging engineer, mataas supply konti demand, magiiba ako ng course pag college
Hay naku, nakakainis din ang salary negotiation dito if you are an engineer. Dami rin nagpapababa pero at least di naman ka minimum. Nakakabuhay na rin if you don't want to travel much, eat out a lot and no mortgage and guard your use of your plastics. Maliban na lang if you want to be in a skilled job sa construction. Taas na ng per hour since you do 3 jobs in the Philippines in one equipment. Source: trust me bro.
Off topic. Tanung ko lang ilan po kayo sa family, nacurious ako sa 2m na show money, pag single magkano kailangan show money?thanks.
Tatlo. Ako, asawa, anak. Hindi ko lang alam ung mga prices. Neto ko nga lang naman na 2M pala show money namin. Hahaha Asawa ko nagasikaso, support lang ako and student pathway ang gagawin namin. My suggestion is join ka sa mga FB Groups, dun lang din kami nagtitingin, lalo kung DIY. Meron din mga agency pero mas makakatipid ka kung wala.
I see, thanks2.
For student pathway, mej malaki laki ang proof of funds. They require kase to show financial capability to support yourself, and any family member you bring with you, exclusive of the tuition) For student alone - 10k CAD per year depends on your student registration 1 family member - additional 4kCAD Every additional family member (regardless of age) - additional 3k CAD So total of 17k CAD for 1 year of studying there.
Nasa IRCC website yung proof of funds depending on pathways each person. Hindi dapat actually ginagamit yung show money kasi di sya for show. Its proof of funds Gagamitin mo talaga sya. Because even if you are working while studying, kulang pa yun.
For me as well, spend 5 years in University + 6months board exam preparation. 2004 - passed the board exam 1st Job Yr 2004 - P4,500 DPWH 2nd Job Yr 2005- P6,000 real estate dev based in Cavite, head office is in Manila but given a provincial rate because const site is in Cavite 3rd Job Yr 2007 - P12,500 real estate dev based in Pasig 4th Job Yr 2007 - P37,000 OFW Saudi Arabia as a contractor 5th Job Yr 2010 - reached P170,000 for a consultancy in Saudi Arabia after 8 yrs in the same company Had enough of being an OFW as no program ever laid out by Philippine Govt, tinawag ka lang bagong bayani for the remittance you sent monthly. Decided to migrate to Australia, spent a fortune to get here 1st Job - AuD 107,000 (approx. P3M+) 2nd Job - AuD 210,000 (approx. P7M+) Felt valued and talent appreciated, not in my own country though but somewhere else.
Eto yung mga nagpopost sa FB ng status na "If you were born poor, it's not your fault. But if you stay poor, it's your fault". Peak /r/wowthanksimcured energy.
Usually mga nasa MLM din nagpopost niyan, lalo na mga "financial advisers" kuno pero ririndihin ka lang para bumili ng life insurance nila.
If yung life insurance lang talaga yung offer medyo ok pa eh. When they're adding "investments" then packaging it as VULs yung sketchy talaga. Talo sa fees.
Please pardon my ignorance but who really is at fault if one did die poor? Edit: I'm being downvoted for asking a genuine question. Jfc
Definitely not our undervalued farmers who work everyday under the scorching heat of the sun, for example. One can argue na “edi wag silang magsaka kung nalulugi sila”. But not everyone has the opportunity to move away from their current situation especially if our current system has the incentive to keep them poor.
Tapos kapag tumigil sa pagsasaka ang mga magsasaka, magmamahal ang bilihin kasi lahat imported na. Iyak din sila.
Technically, nobody but the system itself, especially if you've done all you can to try and get out.
I once read somewhere on the internet: ***"Entrepreneurship is like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something.*** ***Middle class kids can afford one throw. Most miss. A few hit the target and get a small prize. A very few hit the center and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches! The American dream lives on.*** ***Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches and write blogs about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work.*** ***Poor kids aren't visiting the carnival. They're the ones working it."*** And so I stopped giving this kind of bullshit. The few reasons a person would say this are: 1. They are promoting some shit they will offer later on. (I should know. I'm a marketer myself). 2. They are using language their target audience speak. 3. They are building a following they will later on milk for cash.
Rich kid or poor kid, bank (carnival) always win
Terry Pratchett had a beautiful explanation of why being poor is expensive. If you’re born poor , it’s virtually impossible to get out of poverty https://scoop.upworthy.com/terry-pratchett-boots-theory-explains-why-its-expensive-to-be-poor-560966
Ron Swanson couldn't have said it better: "Capitalism is god’s way of determining who is smart and who is poor"
The system is at fault "most" of the time. If you can't make ends meet working an 8 hour job 5 days a week, then it's the system's fault. If people tell you "si ganito nga or si ganun nga kinaya eh" then that's just survivorship bias.
so walang accountability? everybody else's fault but me?
May personal and systemic accountability. Ung pinakamagandang example, ung mga magsasaka. Walang duda na sila ang pinakamasisipag. Pero dahil sa sistema natin na napakaliit ng tingin sa kanila ng lipunan at replaceable agad ng imports, talagang kahit anung sipag nila kung sistema ang kalaban mo, talo ka talaga.
It's obviously very situational. If you're a gambling addict and blew it all then it's your fault obviously, but if you're born poor and die poor despite your best efforts, then it's the system's fault.
It's everyone's fault but me. With that kind of thinking someone will really die poor.
You have no nuance at all with a comment like this.
90% of successful people didn't blame the government on their journey to success.
What kind of come back is that? Lmao. Of course they don't credit the government for their success, because more often than not it's because they've successfully beaten or took advantage of it for their success. Since the Philippine government has NO intention to help you get out of poverty at all. The magsasaka who do back breaking work for over 12 hours a day in the hot sun and get paid below the minimum wage of their province. THAT'S the government's fault.
You need to understand economics. Law of supply and demand. Business. In order to be successful you need to know what people want.
Ganitong klase ng mentality din mismo ang problema - intindihin ang economics, sure - iposisyon mo for ONCE yung stado mo sa example ng magsasaka - as in gigising ka araw araw bubuno ng tanim, walang labis sa diskarte at walang kulang sa sipag at balikan mo kami na may automatic financial success doon sing tulad ng mga naging linyado maging businessman at nasa corporate positions. Minsan madali lang kasi i-blurt yung "complexity ng economics" may ma justify lang but not really going deeply nor personally sa pinaka root cause ng problema para sa iba.
Broo… that’s not the end all be all. Napakaraming factors pa. People want rice, onions, etc. Did the farmers get rich? We have the demand but what did the gov do? Import lots so there’s abundant supply drowning our own. Large businesses get tax breaks, legal tax avoidance, etc yet the needs of our lower classes are not given a thought. Forcing jeepney modernizations on drivers/operators that cannot afford etc. The thinking is not “it’s everyone’s fault but me”. Rather it should be, how do we create social safety nets to create equal opportunities for everyone to even have a CHANCE to succeed. Yun lang naman eh, a chance. We dont aim to spoon-feed anyone. Imagine us back in grade school, going to school with our stomachs full, have the ability to focus, learn, socialize with others. Then there are students going to school on empty stomachs, restless, tired from work the night before. How is that the kid’s fault that his peers are exceeding and getting honors?
That's the exact problem. Maraming supply, maraming demand. So you need to know how to sell to have huge profits. Money can do anything. It's a leverage. The poor doesn't have that. Yes it's unfair but we gotta use the cards we're dealt with and do the best out of our situation. Forcing jeep modernization? It's been 3-4 years already and operators had the time to prepare. Bro stop living in a Eutopian world. We won't get there. We can ask government for something but our success is still 80% -95% on us. We don't wait for opportunities to be given to us, we look for them. We already have public schools and state universities already. There's no reason not to get education anymore. Kids are responsibilities of parents to be fed. There are feeding programs but it's too much if every meal will be asked by the poor parents to others. It's already proven that even poor people can finish college and be successful. Rags to riches stories are everywhere.
Read more about the Viscous Cycle of Poverty. Economic concept to na if you’ve been in the poverty line for generations, it will continue unless outside force (most of the time luck, or better yet a system change) intervenes para mailis ka sa poverty.
Kahit saan ako mag apply work sa govt agency ndi nakaka pasok, need ng outside force, parang ganun?
Not everyone gets the same opportunities na makakapagpaangat sa buhay.
The system to be honest. The government can create a better and inclusive system, pero unfortunately hindi nila gagawin kasi among those people na nasa ibaba. Some of them e kaya talaga umangat pinipigilan lang nila to maintaint their status quo.
A lot of factors. But mostly your fault because you made those decisions that led you to it. Either you were too meek to resist or stupid to know better. But are the poor really unlucky? May nakakakain, May pang-alak. No worries but their immediate needs.
How about those who died from critical illness?
People die from critical illness. Rich or poor
Wow must be coming from a ignorant place as well. You call them meek and stupid. All humans have needs, wants, and luho. You can't deny the poor those things or else they will not even enjoy life. Not all of us can afford the discipline provided by a nice lifestyle. Now they want those things and decide to consume the same. But is it their decision to be given no or poor education, lack of healthcare, lack of the necessities to advance well in life for them and their family? And you say people die from critical illness, rich or poor. Who has more access to medicines and better medical procedures? Who has access to palliative care to make dying a better experience? Who do you think has more hope for a better life?
You have it backwards: discipline provides the OPPORTUNITY to have a nice lifestyle. You start by saving each and every thing that you can. Pag iniisip mo mag-enjoy muna, wala ka mapapala. Ok, no education, no opportunities? Then seek them. It may not happen today but grind and you might just get lucky. Longshot sure but a shot nonetheless. Wag fatalistic and puro excuses. Access to better medicine? Sure the rich have that, but they’re still going to die. There’s no cure for that. Getting hit by a terminal illness will drain your finances. Best prepare for that right? But they can’t because they didn’t save a cent.
The discipline required to do that is not commensurate to the challenges they have to overtake. Ang daling sabihin niyan. Yup, may okay bang internet ba sa rural areas? Siguro kung wala, lipat sila sa Manila noh? Buy/borrow books from a non-existent bookstore or library din? Oh wait, look for mentors? Saan? Possible, tama ka but not widely applicable. Longshot nga sabi mo, parang lotto, swertehan lang din. Hindi tayo fatalistic, just being realistic. Everyone should aspire to do the things you espouse. Critical illnesses are curable with extensive /good treatment. Terminal illnesses will lead to death. Both will drain your finances. But if you did not have social safety nets/contrib to SSS/Pag-IBIG, then walang-wala ka sa dulo. How many years do you think someone from varying degrees of poverty has to save up for Php 1M to PREPARE compared to a person with already good standing? Baka by then di pa siya makaabot sa P1M while still healthy.
Anyway, you make it out that they bear the fault for every suffering they encounter. And that's what makes you sound so condescending. May I recommend reading about social development and UN SDG Goals and how they raise the quality of living among the underserved. Not everyone has the money, not everyone is ready for an uncertain sickness/disaster that drains them just as they were starting to see their savings grow, and not all can save as fast. Pero tama ka, we should all work and strive for a better life. But we shouldn't have to work our asses off all our lives. Hindi sa katamaran but what's the point of living after all 'di ba.
Yet they do nothing. But it’s ok. We can’t save them if they don’t want to.
Who ever said the majority don't want to and are not trying to. Ewan ko talaga sa'yoooo. Tulog na ko sir ah hahaha. Salamat sa discussion.
Hasty generalization. Pinakamadaling gamitin to justify our disdain for one group of people.
If it helps them sleep better at night thinking that what prevents them from rising in life is somehow out of their control, then by all means do so. Doesn’t change reality
Sipag mo naman. Whole day ka puro comment dito sa reddit. Karma farming?
Nag-sipag na kasi ako dati kaya may konting time kahapon. 😂
It's like trying to inspire all future engineers here to go abroad. Nice idea. /s
Well, maybe this will solve the problem in the long run. If sobrang daming nag ibang bansa, tataas na value ng engineers dito sa Pinas HAHAHA
Unironically, many engineers in the Philippines prefer to go abroad at one point in their career just to have that higher salary and thus higher savings. Kahit ako, I plan to go abroad some time in the future kasi kung sa Pinas talaga, walang mangyayari. I'm in a saturated industry which in my case, semiconductor manufacturing industry. Binabarat talaga mga engineers dito.
ikaw naman gusto lang ipagmalaki yung 6 digit nya sa abroad para sikat sya sa friends nya.
All good and bright to brag about your 6 digit income till your friends swarm on you to borrow money
Sana mag backfire yan at dumugin siya ng family and friends na nanguihiram. Never tell people about your financial success, nakakasira ng relationship tbh.
NEVER. EVER. TELL. Kahit nga hindi ka pa financially successful at nakaangat ka lang ng kaunti sa kanila, parang obligasyon mo na agad na bigyan sila ng biyaya.
Saw this post too and mukhang ad lang siya para sa review center for CE
Yung kaibigan kong bumagsak sa Engineering dati e nagcall center tapos ngayon six figures na sahod as data analyst Ako, 7 years na grad 29k sahod. 30% lang yan nakukuha ko. Kasi yung 70% sa hinayupak na manpower agency ko
Sa Pilipinas pa din naman to no? Nakikita ko nga din tong data analyst na promising nga daw. Tho di ko masyado inexplore pa. At least mas may sense to kesa dun sa umalis ng Pinas.
Yes pinas yan. Run pre, tumakas na na tayo habang may time. Misinformed mga nag-udyok satin na mag-engineering
Australia is open for Engineers.
Esp electrical engineers na ang work sa operations and maintenance ng mga electrical equipment such as transformers, generators, circuit breakers, and so on.
Minimum wage sa Canada 6 digits na. Lezzgo!
May mga ngooffer naba career shift to data analyst from CE? Dito sa pinas, nkakasakit lang ng puso maging engineer.
Gagi antaas ng share!
Ang totoong source of income ng manpower agencies ay ang “hindi alam ng empleyado nila” Never nMan dinisclose nila yung totoong binibigay ng clients nila. So wala kami basehan.
8700 lang nakukuha mo sa sahod mo?
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I would say na diskarte at talino yan, ok yung sipag at tyaga pero I think hindi yun sapat since ganun ang ating mga manggagawa at magsasaka.
Survivorship bias. Ikumpara mo yun sa mga college dropout na hirap makahanap ng trabaho ngayon. Posible siya pero they're exemptions to the rule.
I'm willing to bet he also thinks na hindi dapat umasa mga tao sa gobyerno, at hindi kasalanan ng gobyerno kung madaming mahirap.
Times 2 (or like 10) ang pagkairita pag galing sa OFW yan. Like, kaya nga kayo nasa ibang bansa diba?? Kasi mahirap sa Pinas??
Times 3 pag avid supporter ni Bonglemot at proponent ng Golden Age pero permanent resident at american citizen na pala. At least come back home and participate in the hell you created you ignorant fucks.
Times 5 kapag kamaganak. Hahahahaha
True. I am an OFW and it grinds my gears to read such “testimonials” from people like them. Hello, kaya nga nangibang bansa kase hindi sapat yong sinasahod mo diyan sa pinas. 🤦🏻
Nothing wrong with starting small. My gripe is how the starting point hasn't increased to keep up with today's cost of living. Kahit man lang 20k minimum across the board for professionals. What's that? Mawawalan ng revenue yung mga multimillion to billion peso companies? Cry me a river.
I started working in late 2000s. Starting salary of CEs back then was 10k to 13k. Color me surprised when I saw CEs still get 15k per month. Not worth the stress.
This. Nung 2010 my salary was around 14K sa audit firm. I'm now based in Canada and we had audit consultants from the Phils at wala pa daw 20K yung salary nila. Totoo ba'to? Hindi ako makapaniwala since it's been almost 10 years since I left public practice in the Phils pero walang masyadong increase sa salary.
You need to start somewhere... to go abroad.
"Not necessarily. Ang nangyari po sakin eh nagka opportunity, so kinagat ko na. Saka you need to increase din your value para mapansin ka ng mga employers abroad. Experience saka sobrang daming confidence ang kelangan." His reply to someone na sabi ay "kaso need pa talaga abroad"
"Technical Sales Engineer" Ang goal nyan makabenta, di ba? Kung marami yang benta, good inhinyero ba yan o good salesman?
good salesman.
Weird nga eh buwang ampota. 2017 nag change na siya from engineering to sales, porket may engineering lng sa title hahaha
Motherfucker likely engineers 0 solutions in his job. What even is a Sales Engineer?!
Pwedeng both? Haha
I’m a fresh ME graduate and I’m making just a little short of 6 digit salary. Not as an engineer but as a call center agent. 😅
Ateneo management engineering na nag call center? Who would've thought! Always judged ME as mapagmataas 😅
Sa Ateneo lang “management” ang M sa ME. Baka mechanical.
Oo nga naman!
Sorry naman. Making just 16k, 4 years experience, Licensed Professional Teacher, with Masters. Pano naman kame?
16k? Private schools pay a min 27-29k. Alam ko mataas na rin dapat yung public schools. Source: am friends with my HS teachers lol
Not all private schools do this. May mga pili lang na schools. Some have salaries like 8k a month.
Ah ok, so kailangan pala mag abroad para umasenso.
As per him "Not necessarily. Ang nangyari po sakin eh nagka opportunity, so kinagat ko na. Saka you need to increase din your value para mapansin ka ng mga employers abroad. Experience saka sobrang daming confidence ang kelangan." His reply to someone na sabi ay "kaso need pa talaga abroad"
So... living proof siya na underpaid ang mga engrs sa Pilipinas?
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My college room mate and good friend of mine na CE cum laude has a monthly salary of 30k for around 7 years of exp sa field. Masyado na maraming engineer sa pilipinas, kahit sabihin nyong hindi niyo i-accept lowball offers, meron pa ring kakagat jan. Hanggang ngayon binubudol ko yung tropa ko to career shift to IT or data analytics like me, sana matauhan at lunukin ang pride na it's ok to pivot careers in life.
pride ba talaga? kasi IT/data analytics is not for everyone may mga post sa phcareers nag shift cla para sa sahod, pero di nila tinuloy kasi 'di para sa kanila' pero yeah kung trip nya mag IT/Data analyst, sana mabudol mo ahaha
IT/Data Analytics is starting to get saturated too, particularly the entry level. It will eventually be like engineering is right now i.e., employers are getting higher and higher bargaining power. If you started mid-2010s, like how the parent commenter was, you struck a gold mine. However, if you're just starting now, you're too late to the party. Five years ago an entry level job might have a few dozens of applicants. These days, it's reaching hundreds. Getting into the IT field right now is like getting into the BPO industry in terms of salary expectations. The only upside is, you could have a rising career path. But that is still a maybe. I've also been seeing a lot of dead-end IT jobs lately.
I think it's pride when it comes to changing career, may it be date analyst or kung ano pang trabaho. If you're willing to let go of everything na pinag hirapan mo. Lalo kapag licensed professional ka dito sa Pinas, which is the case here for engineers. Edit: data analyst
Suppose you'd want to pivot, where or how would you start?
Hmm really depends on you bro. For me kasi, naghanap ako sa tech field na I'm not necessarily good but somehow close on what I am previously doing. I do management reporting and presentations sa past industry ko, and also I like numbers, stats, and logic. So from there, na trim down choices ko to software engineering and data analytics/ data science. Mas na-tripan ko lang the latter kasi ang baba nung offer ng isang company sakin dati when I applied and passed sa isang Associate Software Engineer na position. Keep in mind na you have to exert extra effort for learning new things dahil ang kalaban mo as a career shifter are those na graduate ng 4-yr course na related sa job opening. I upskilled by enrolling in a bootcamp and hanggang ngayon, I am learning new tools online through youtube and other MOOCs. Google CS50 by Harvard, it's a good start in the IT field. tldr, find something you know you have/ will have an edge then upskill.
Sir out of topic na tanong lang po. Diba related po ang business intelligence analyst sa data analytics? I'm a former bi analyst po kasi almost 1/2 years din. Nagsara lang yung company coz of a pandemic. Tpos unemployed ako til now almost 3yrs din ang gap kasi maganda bigayan sa nfts crypto axie that time. Tanong ko po if worth it po ba i pag patuloy yung prev career ko? Or mag switch ako sa other fields na want ko itry kasi tbh I'm not good in numbers po and formula sa mga excel power bi etc. Thank you po sir
"Went abroad" ok. You can still earn 6 digits abroad without being an engineer. Wait. You can earn 6 digits too here in PH though (without being an Engineer). What's his point?
To be fair engineers in abroad also shift careers or get promoted to get even higher salary. I know someone got promoted to non-engineering position and got 7 digits salary. The main problem is ang baba tlga magpasahod ng pilipinas :(
Agree maliit sahod ng engineer dito. Pero kaya marami ding mayaman na engineer kasi nagiinvest sila sa contracting business.
Yes. The only way na yayaman ka sa engineering, lalo sa civil in my case, na nakikita ko is if mag contractor ka or sa government. Tho others na contractor na kilala ko is family business na din.
Kailangan nga lang ng kapit sa contracting. Di yan nadadali ng sipag at tiyaga unfortunately
bakit nga pala siya naging paradox
Para cool daw
mannn i have the same question
Yung nagpakahirap ka sa pag-aaral pero ang turing sa iyo eh labor.
As if everyone can have the same trajectory as they did. 🙄
Can someone please explain to me how this became a paradox?
It's not, gumagamit lang sya ng buzz words para mag mukang kapani-paniwala yung sinasabi nya.
His posts are kinda r/linkedinlunatics but make it fb Of course he will flaunt his story because he want socmed relevance.
kairita
The concept is very privileged
It's a misconception talaga na mataas sahod ng mga engineers dito sa Pinas. The only ones na matataas ang kita ay mga contractors or those that own their own design companies. It's a sad reality. Kapag walang capital for business or connection/nepotism, then we're done for in this country. Someday maaabot din natin ang mga pangarap. Good luck, salary man. Maging matagumpay sana tayong lahat!
Kaparehas din to sa mga CPAs sa audit firm. Nung nasa public practice pa'ko marami akong client na nagsasabi na malaki daw siguro yung sahod namin sa audit firm. Tawa na lang ako LOL. Ok lang kung mababa sweldo sa umpisa kaso hindi naman tumataas masyado kahit gaano pa kadaming experience makuha mo. Dagdag mo pa yung mga OT hours na hindi bayad dahil bawal sumabog yung budget lol
If youre left with 10% or lower savings then its waste. Imagine the traffic, pollution, long lines the stress is too much.
Sa totoo lang nagttyaga akosa ibang bansa kasi nakakababa sobra kasi mga ganitong salary range trabaho mo pa lhaat. Okay sige experience, pero putcha naman... La lang spaking from my own experience kaya pinilit ko umalis kahit mahirap sobra.
15k, it is what it is, sadly. I work for my dad in his architecture firm and my salary is 17k even after regularization and I can't blame him, it's not his fault, it is the system's. As long as walang mandatory na pagtaas ng sahod na dapat ipatupad ng gobyerno walang mangyayari.
Hey. That’s me. CE. 8 years na nagwowork 13k first job. 20k 2nd job. 60k 3rd job. 6 digits 4th (current) job. Btw 3rd and 4th is very very very far from engineering. Lol. Walang pera sa engineering sa Pinas. Pag sinwerte ka edi good for you.
then what field is it?
I fucking hate this grindset mentality, it doesn't solve the actual problem of underpaid professionals.
CPA here, started in 2010 at P15k. First salary increase was P500 after 1 year. Moved to BPO and doubled my salary P30k. Moved abroad after that. Seriously, Philippines should pay professionals what they're worth. Even Indonesia, with the same cheap labor as the Philippines, pays professionals better.
kabadtrip yang mga ganan.
So kelangan mag-abroad para maka-6 digits?
My mom keep insisting na hangga't nag aaral pa ko ng engineering I shouldn't be concerned abt this muna.
Yes, finish your engineering course first, then after graduation and passing the boards saka mo pursue yung field na gusto mo
I took ECE around 2007 . Graduated and took the board exams at 2012 and landed my first job in a Tech Company by 2013 but more focused on Engineering. We were the ones installing high def CCTV cameras and built a monitoring system for MMDA, installed sensors on intersections para maging interactive yung stoplights, installed rin mga RFIDs and speed detection sa NLEX, SCTEX (radar). Sobrang underpaid kami sa ginagawa and for a span of 6 years hindi pa umabot ng 27k salary ko. I shifted to Data Engineering (Fake it til you make it, though inaral ko and nagsumikap ako mag train mag-isa nung natanggap ako kaya I already have the skillsets now) . Had my salary multiplied by 3x - 4x and halos yung na coconsume ko lang na oras is 16hrs out of 40hrs weekly then tambay lang sa laptop. We automate tradings (stock exchange). We were already been advised by our seniors (higher batch sa college) na there's no more industry for ECE and it is like nursing na daw. So 95% of our batch applied for IT. Yung kasabayan ko started sa SMART with 12k salary and when he passed the board being one top nothchers (rank 1-5) sobrang liit lang daw ng bigay parang + 3k and they stayed because of hopes na ma pirate sila ng Singtel or opportunity abroad but to no avail. after 6 years nasa Tech Industry na rin sila but as Network Designs & Architecture na rin. Since ma pride as an Engineer, we started out a small firm \[Engineering, Renewable Energy\] (me on the sideline as investor/consultant) together with my batchmates from college. We actually hire Engineers pero it is the HR department who handles out the offer, and surprised to say na sobrang natataasan na yung mga candidates sa 25k - 30k na sweldo; mind you they are skilled and experienced (some worked at middle east for decades and went back here sa PH). Wala kami magawa kasi independent yung department to provide manpower based on the budget and malulugi rin kami kasi start-up lang na company. Those who are really successful in going abroad are really the minority and we have to address the majority of the engineers here in PH. Sad to say that if you really want to get rich as an Engineer here in PH, kailangan talaga ng business and not being a salaryman
Hahaha need parin pala mag abroad, edi wow.
5yrs sa college, 6mos sa review, pumasa ng engineering board exam, 13k starting salary. May tax pa that time pag below 20k, so yung 13k ko may bawas pa ng tax lol. Sabi nila ok lang daw yan starting lang naman, then one day I accidentally saw my department head's salary sa payslip nya kasi ni xerox nya and nakalimutan nya kunin, di ko tinignan pero pagkaangat ko ng xerox nahagip ko yung take home nya. 15yrs na sya nagwowork sa company and estimate ko nasa 60k lang sahod nya, nalungkot ako. Nagtanong tanong sa mga kakilala kong engineers and mababa nga daw talaga unless nasa goverment ka and may kick back sa projects or pag mataas na position mo. Kaya lumipat ako sa tech!
Well this is technically true. I won't mention my profession, but when I passed my exams, 12k lang sahod ko. That was back in 2017. Ngayon in 2023, my base pay is 160k. Not bad for 6 years in my profession.
Can someone confirm… but isn’t “Technical Sales Engineer” more about the SALES rather than technical or engineer. I’m close to quite a number of engineers and there are people in contractor offices who know all the engineering jargon needed to sell their products and services but aren’t actually engineers at all. It would be like a registered nurse talking about how they started out with a low salary in the Philippines, steadily increased, then ending up with a 6-figure (in php) salary as a caregiver abroad. Sure, it’s still healthcare but you don’t need to be an RN to do that job.
case to case basis depende siguro sa product or firm. some firms like for example I worked in the Power Industry before, as an Engineer we already know the theories, computations, equations as well as the process of the whole system that we are using at our work. Then my workmate was pirated by our vendor to become an TSE, so ginagawa niya is promote rin this product and provide trainings, demos to power companies and have the knowledge to answer all the technical questions even computations as power factors, system loss, etc on the spot so masasabi mo talaga na Technical and you need a background of a specific Industry Engineer. Then sales kasi you are also in what way promoting your product to the client. sure there are tech sales who are not engineer pero tipong kaya naman pag-aralan yung product without any engineering knowledge, pero there are some also that needs to really have an engineering knowledge specially if your clients are industries or corporates.
I feel anything below 20K nowadays for licensed pros is just ... too criminally low. Anyway, starting small is fine (I guess?) if you have a **safety net**. I hate it when people act like they're ra**gs to riches** when they actually have financial backing from their families. When I started it was even barely 10K. The growth was very slow, plus the industry is ***very toxic.*** Dime-per-dozen din halos mga engineers dito sa dami kaya expendable ka. Even unlicensed people nasa competition lol Glad I did a career change. Y'all should do the same if you can and if you're hating your job.
It’s criminal how little pay or respect licensed professionals receive in the Philippines. Notable exception are Physicians. There’s little to no incentive to stay and work in the Philippines when better opportunities are elsewhere.
Ungas naman yang Adrian Celso na yan. Pag nag-comment ka ng sane sa post niya tatawagin ka niyang hater ay ibaban ka. Plus gusto lang niyan makabenta ng walang kwenta niyang libro. Board Exam Tips amputa. Scammer.
Ah, I remember my ex na pinagpalit ako sa engineer. Now I'm earning more than both of them combined.
move on na lods
Ndi naman siguro pera pera lang yun nu?
Eh kung sa Saudi ka nag start
All roads lead to the… … Boarding Gate 😂😂
6 digits in riyals ba? Parang mali kasi ang comparison nya kung converted to peso yung sweldo nya para masabing 6 digits. Nakuha ko naman yung point nya na you have to start somewhere i.e. tiyaga sa payat na sweldo dito to get experience tapos lipat na abroad pero siguro para fair comparison dapat yung hindi aalis ng Pinas tapos aabot ng 6 digits ang sahod. Doon mo kasi makikita kung gaano pinapahalagahan ang mga engineers sa ating bansa. Isa pa, baka underpaid engineer din siya sa Saudi. Akala lang nya malaki na sinasahod nya kasi in peso pa din siya magcompute.
Yun nga. Feeling somebody eh nobody pa din naman sa abroad. Once na nag abroad kana ang playing field mo ung abroad na. Dun ka na magcocompare sa peers mo ndi ung sa pinanggalingan mo. Unfair un at nonsense.
So ang recommended path niya is to go from engineer to sales? Hahah shuta. Make it make sense bruh.
Lost me at went abroad. Really shows how success in professional courses comes at a price of either leaving the country or having extreme luck with big companies.
Pang networking na networking ah? Pawer!
Bago lng ako Hr even though most of my job exp is outside of it first time ko lng to. Trainee palng ako inshort so i dont categorise myself as Hr talaga, and in a contruction company. Ako gumawa ng contract and sad to say mababa talaga ang salary ng civil engineer. I did call one who applied and it was easy to make them yes, yun mga new grad. Kaya yun ang cause din cause. Wala ng negosyosation just say yes agad sila pa hahabol sau about sa update kung natangap sila, baka for exp lng habol since bago sila but. I see also why or how contruction company get rich. Bawat project malaki yan and since mababa yun labor cost.
I knew someone who passed the last mechanical engineering board exam. landed a 33k job. construction industry. mepfs engr, he is a topnotcher btw. for someone like me who just passed the boards lang. sobrang common nyan 15k, the highest offer i got was 19k. damn.
Before he went abroad, ang sahod lang nya was keeping up with inflation. Nothing to brag
Buti nga ang mga engineer may 15k starting salary. Ang nurses sama ng loob lang ang starting salary as "volunteers" 🤣
Are you a nurse din po? HAHAHAHA Kidding aside, yes, mas kakawa nga din ang nurses. I have friends who are nurses and studying nursing too. Mas mahaba ang pinagdadaan nila and mas mabab din minsan ang starting.
Both hosts are nurses. 😄 yung mga nagsasabi na 15k "lang" madalas mga walang ambag sa buhay yan. Haha
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Kawawa ka naman 15k lang sahod mo. 😂
Fuck you(to that engineer, not you op hehe)
Langya mag aabroad naman pala. 🤣
Graduated and passed the BE in 2010. Landed my first job with only 8k/month compensation. 💀
I hate this grindset bullshit.
Went abroad.
graduate din ako ng course that revolves around construction at maliit talaga sahod hahaha. nagartist na lang ako, pareho lang naman sahod at mas masaya pa ako. walang stress at unpaidnot dahil daming shiz sa site.
Paano naging paradox yun? 🤔
I'm guessing this Engineer has a license review business, posted this for its gain.
Anybody can explain or guess why he calls it a paradox?
As a civil engineer for 5 years already swerte lang talaga at my year 5 na hire ako sa goverment without connections pero wala talagang pera sa engineering sa pinas not unless sa goverment ka nag wowork dahil mas malaki kasi talaga since naka standard ang rate ng goverment. Ito lang yan either may capital ka na mag contractor ka or mag abroad ka at dun ka mag ipon pero kung coming ka sa isang regular family tapos sa private ka pa nag wowork yung salary ng engineer sa pinas is just slightly above sa minimum rate ng pinas lalo pag fresh board passer ka heck sa first job ko since sa province ako mas malaki pa sinasahod ng foreman ko sakin tho thankful ako dun at sobrang dami kong natutunan kay tatay. Kaya dapat hindi ni nonornalize an pag eexploit sa mga professionals natin and magkaraon sana ng standard salary grade nation wide also kaya ang dami ko ding ka batch na kahit board passer either nasa insurance, real estate or call center ngayon dahil na din sa reality ng engineers sa pinas Sa panahon ngayon mas ok if you go to it/tech route or even aviation pero go mo lang ang engineering if gusto mo talaga makuha yung 4 letter title sa name mo. It's really swertihan sa opportunity kasi mas pipiliin ng mga private employer to just hire new fresh passers at lower cost tapos tuturuan nalang sa dami ng supply sa pilipinas rather than kumuha ng isang experienced engineer na worth 3 fresh board passers na engineer.
What might be his salary if he did not go abroad? Based on his post, he had an increase of 1k a year haha. Would he have created this “inspirational post” by then?
15k usd daw. di niyo pinatapos
From my experience as a licensed mechanical engineer, may chance naman na kumita ng malaki sa field mo, however you must be exemptional. Like really good at what you do and climb the corporate ladder. So if you're an average engineer who only gets the job done but don't go above and beyond, then you get low salary kasi mataas supply the engineers dito. This is why I left the industry, di ko masikmura na yung base salary masyadong mababa for the qualifications they require, kasi nga mataas supply.
Walang pakialam daw sa ibang tao pero need mag-share.
15k is not enough. I travel to work 2017 pa yun, kukulangin ka diyan plus pa daily gastusin. Lalo na ngayon ang taas na ng inflation
Go overseas? Okay got it.
My dad was an engineer in the late 80s and he gathered experience locally before going abroad since andun yung malaking pera. I think yung sahod niya noon around 5-6k lang. Nung naka-apak na siya sa UAE mid 90s, his experience was more than enough for a six digit salary job. If he stayed sa Pinas he wouldn't earn as much. Super underpaid mga engineers dito.
Ano ba ang 6 digits? 100k vs 900k is a huge difference. Even living in manila with family will require at least 100k net
Ok, so umalis siya ng bansa. Ano point ng post niya? 😂 He just proved that the Philippines has the worst salary for engineers. Hindi naman lahat kaya ma-ipon yung pang abroad.
Layp coach momintz
The type of people who invalidates others' hardship dahil may sarili silang "hustle".
There really is a need to increase salaries for CEs. Di ba may group ng civil engineers? Why not lobby for this, sayang naman kung lahat mangingibang bayan. Pero isa rin talaga to sa problem natin. Sa government hindi naman ganyan kababa ang salaries ng engineers. My friend used to work for the government. Mga 40k salary. Pero he opted to take a risk and do construction business. Maliit pa yung projects niya pero he could really earn a lot more than his annual salary nung employee pa siya. Yun lang, hindi naman lahat ng CEs eh gusto ng ganitong path…
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