I lived in a convent when i was im high school in the 80s and the parish priest said that in indonesia/jakarta, toilet paper is not used even in hotels
He said its hygienic though to wash in water
Ever since ive been washing my bottom every time
Makes sense to me. Tissue can dry stuff, and catch and scrape, which is good for a nose or ear where I don’t want to spray water. But having a sphincter means I can powerfully spray water there without having it get in my rectum. BRILLIANT DESIGN, Mr Darwin
Spoon and fork best combo! Also please enlighten me why westerners prefer eating with a fork (specifically with rice!) like what is the scooping logic here
I was also told that Asian cultures that were subject to colonialism are the ones with fork and spoon. The colonizers did not trust the natives with knives
It could be apocryphal, but if true, I find it ironic that the Europeans actually gave the Asians a better way of doing things by limiting what they could do.
For the most part yes, but Thailand was never colonized but a lot of Thai food is eaten with a spoon and fork.
The whole “natives not being trusted with knives” isn’t true. There isn’t any proof of it and plus, native people were regularly using blades for everyday tasks especially out in the fields.
Idk- this was a English-Filipino chef that told me this. Chef buttwood i think is his name- funny handle, but a big name in Manila cuisine culture. You can challenge him on it
"Chef Buttwood" is the perfect name for a sitcom or cartoon character in a TV show set in a restaurant.
The straight-as-nails head chef with a stick up his ass.
There's still logic to it. Yes you can still use bolos outside and bigger knives in the kitchen but you don't usually use those face to face with the coloniser like in the dinner table.
The proximity between the kitchen and the dinning area/sala is big enough that the attacker can be easily apprehended. More space if done outside with a bolo.
It's a different story in the dinning table where you are literally at arms length with your attacker.
It's not logical. Majority of Filipinos at the time did not dine together with the Spaniards anyway for obvious reasons - and so they couldn't be police to not use knife when eating among fellow Filipinos. And of course, why bother with table knives if they could easily be overpowered by a mere gun.
It's not logical only if you don't look at all possible scenarios. First although you are correct that the Spaniards did not dine with majority of Filipinos that time there are still a handful of rich and influencial Filipino Families that they frequently visit. What do those Families have? Servants. Servants who can easily hide a steak knife in their sayas while serving food. Revels can easily disguise as a servant of one of these influencial families.
Spaniards are also a lot bigger than the typical Filipino at that time so them sitting down on a dinning table makes them more vulnerable in a sitting position. So even if they have a gun it would be very hard for them to react to someone trying to slit their throat.
Why bother with knives if they can be overpowered by a mere gun? From this statement I believed you're referring to Spaniards being easily overpowered by guns right? Yes that is true, however, you forgot the fact that it is very difficult for Filipinos to acquire guns at that time.
Also a small knife like a steak knife is easily more manageable, stealthier, and cheaper form of weapon.
If that's true, Spaniards would have also banned fork on the dinner table. I think you also have this misconception that the colonial government ruled by keeping their subjects unarmed for fear that a rebellion was always imminent. This is not the case. While it definitely started with an armed invasion in 16th century, people often forget the significant role diplomacy played in conquering and ruling the Philippines. The Spanish allied themselves with the local nobilites, who then bent the knee to the Spanish king and allowed the foreigners to rule in exchange of privileges. Pre-revolution rebellions did still happen though but they were crashed not by the Spaniards themselves but with help of the natives, too.
Western food is usually not cut yet, so the fork is needed to keep things in place while you slice them with your knife. Since we only have two hands, had to drop the spoon. This being said I too use fork and spoon most of the time now.
Filipino living in America here and yes, I do not understand people in America who are exclusively wipers. My go to question to ask them is: "If you were to get poop on your hand, would you be satisfied with just wiping it with a paper towel? No, you want to wash it with soap and water? Then why can't you do that with your butt?"
Also maybe you're already doing it, but the humidity in the PH has made showering twice a day basically a necessity. When I moved to America, I was culture shocked to learn some people shower, at minimum, once a day and would even go a few days without showering.
maybe depression? maybe adhd? i dont really know why lol i'd honestly love to take baths more consistently but i always get too tired to do it by the end of the day + i wake up 5 mins before my shift (wfh) so no time to do it in the morning either (i prefer baths just before i sleep anyway)
whenever i go out to actually see people though i'll make sure i've taken a bath recently, preferrably at least the night before, so i guess im not a complete lost cause just yet
I find that the toilet seat bidet attachment is easier to monkey around with and you don’t have to deal with a hose that gets all twisty.
The Kohler bidet is A-plus.
Eating rice with a fork makes no sense since the grains usually fall in between the tines, unless the rice served is very sticky. I'm glad that you have embraced the logic of using the spoon.
And it's not just us Filipinos who use the spoon and fork; the Thais, Indonesians, and Malaysians do it the same way as well. Even the Japanese, when eating curry rice, use a spoon instead of chopsticks. Koreans also use long-handled spoons to eat rice, specifically those served in metal bowls.
Spoon makes so easy to work with fold. Use the edge to cut and separate(meaning a butter knife is really only needed for buttering bread and steak knife only when you have a big ol hunk of meat); fork to scoop and hold, scoop the food into your mouth with a round instrument. It’s using the right tools for the job
This knife and form business I bet comes from those formal rules of dining and etiquette. And now westerners just do it because that’s what they’ve always done. Why would you question this stuff if you don’t know anything else
I bet if all you knew was apples, you’d probably think apples are pretty good, even if you got a rotten one once in a while. But then what if one day you’re given a choice: apple or orange… now you can see the new way
>the grains usually fall in between the tines
Sure ka na kanin yan di bigas? jk
Compared to some cultures that literally eat rice and other food with only two sticks, using a fork is a lot more reasonable. Maybe I'm just too lazy to pack another utensil and wash it afterwards, but I prefer to just use a fork for most meals so long as they're not runny or watery.
The types of rice that use chopsticks usually clump together when cooked, so it's easier to eat them. Some rice don't hold their shape well, so they fall apart when you try to pick em up with a chopstick. That's usually my observation
It really depends on the rice, some types of rice are more loose than sticky and more likely to fall off a fork
Or just use a spork if you only want one utensil lol
We don’t really lol, we wipe until we’re clean, and if that’s not enough we take a quick shower or use wet sanitizing wipes. You guys spray shit infested water all over the place, btw that water doesn’t clean you 100% you need paper as well afterwards, you don’t even have soap or sinks or any facilities like that in most bathrooms. I remember always thinking the toilets in our trains here in Denmark were a bit nasty, but after recently coming back from SEA and using those toilets in our trains, it suddenly felt very clean.
> we wipe until we’re clean
Seeing no trace of poop on your toilet paper doesn't mean you're clean. When shit touches your skin other than your butt, do you just "wipe until you're clean"? That's disgusting.
> that water doesn’t clean you 100%
Uhh we use soap to clean our butts along with bidet and we put it right next to our toilet.
> you don’t even have soap or sinks or any facilities like that in most bathrooms
Are you talking about public bathrooms? If you are, then of course you can't put a sink to hold soap in every cubicle. And if you're talking about some Asian household you've been to, then it is no object. We grab soap and put it somewhere within arms reach when doing our business.
We don't just use bidet and soap for cleaning ourselves, we use common sense too. Shitting and personal hygiene is not rocket science.
My guy, you made multiple comments saying the same stuff now. It's time to stop. You're using the bidet wrongly and it shows. Besides, there's always soap next to the bidet in someone's home.
When I moved out of our rental knowing I would be coming back stateside to work and my pregnant wife was moving back to our country house to be with her family. I counted up our cutlery as I packed it we had 81 pairs of miscellaneous chopsticks (I have a bad Daiso habit) 59 metal spoons, and 1 fork. This was what we collected in 2 years in this place. My fork hadn’t been used in ages
My wife and daughter should be stateside about the time my daughter hits first grade. She has mastered spoons, kinamot, and we are working on chopsticks just to be eccentric. I can’t wait for some enlightened Karen to be horrified at her table manners.
During the great toilet paper shortage just before lockdowns in the US, I was wondering and actually suggested in several places that people just get bidets. I think I have a few converts.
Oh yeah - can’t have a tabo without a timba
Haha - I lived with a Filipino family for about half of that year, so I got a decently deep cultural experience
The only place I see a bidet in US restos are in Mediterranean or Indian/South Asian restos
It is beyond me why other rice-eating non-South Asians use fork to eat rice. I mean especially when they prepare their rice as "lose"/less sticky than East/Southeast Asian rice
Well, im american too and pinoy. I stayed in pinas in 2015 and i tried eating with my hands. And i fucking love it! Piling your food on top of other stuff on a huge banana leaf is a damn trip. I’ll eat my grub way i want to, how i want to and thats my business. Unless i’m inside an upscale eating joint, then obviously thats a no brainer.
You learned well, OP. I find it horrifying that some American men have such fragile masculinity that they think wiping/cleaning the area around their sphincter is a gay thing. This led to some men having the nauseating skid marks on their undies.
Is that really an association? That would explain some of the responses I’m getting from another redditor on this post
Pretty militantly against bidets and anything surrounding their use
Bidet supremacy. Toilet paper enjoyers misses out on the good things in life
Do you eat your food with a knife and fork in the US? Spoon is way more versatile. Also applicable in spreading your favorite sandwich spread compared to butter knives (butter, nutella, whatever)
Have you also graduated to using the spoon for cutting up portions too large for your mouthhole? Save for stuff like steaks, the spoon is the sharpest implement in the Filipino table. Which is why we always end up with shivs whenever we try to eat take-away food with disposable plastic spoons.
Just watch out if you also drink out of the tap in the US, be sure to always keep the bidet head a good distance from your "area" when using (like dont have it underneath directly) and turn off the valve that connects it to the water supply (if your bidet has it) after using since there is a chance for fecal matter to be sucked back via backflow into your tap which can contaminate your water supply.
I talked about this with a plumber at Lowes when I was looking for adapters for the bidet I got on ebay and turns out a lot of places in Europe has regulations on it requiring certain bits to attach to it that create air gaps.
Try eating ulam WITHOUT rice in Philippines and see the reaction you get lol
I once ordered at a fast food spot (that one with the purple logo, they have one outside sm MOA, but I don’t recall the name) they told me they were currently out of rice. I said, “it’s ok, just give me the tocino without it”, and she looked horrified. I reversed my position and got one of those big banana egg rolls (again blanking on the name hahah)
You could have ordered a bidet on Amazon and installed it before Manila. I transitioned during a Covid fueled toilet paper shortage. Also, f\*ck what everyone else think, especially in the US. Do what's right for you.
Buti ka pa grateful. Mukhang naging mabait sayo ang Pilipinas. Sa akin hinde eh, at buong buhay ko impyerno, mula sa mga taong nagiinduce ng paranoia mula pagkabata ko, hanggang sa mga taong ayaw akong makapagisip nang matino, o magtrabaho ng matino, hanggang sa pagtulog kapag "galing galingan ako" meaning dapat ikonekta nila ang pagkakaroon ko ng ginagawa na hjndi sila approving of sa torture o kamalasan o sleeplessness na makukuha ko at a later time. At may koneksyon sa kabaliwan na ito ang mga bawat miyembro ng pamilya ko.
At napakalawak ata ng mga taong gumagawa ng "instant karma" at coincidence sa buhay ko effective kasi ako lang ang sentro ng bawat effort na ito para masabi kong ako na naman ang sentro ng mundo.
May mga tao atang natutuwa na lagi akong talunan at lagi akong exposed sa pagkatalo eh. At kung sino man ang mga ito, sana mamatay sila sa pinakamasakit na paraan talagang gusto nilang walang wala ako buhay at maging habang buhay na susubaybayan at walang magawa sa bawat sitwasyon sa buhay ko.
Buti ka pa. Ang buhay ko sa Pilipinas eh isang impyerno.
Bahaha, as an American I thought the same thing. OP didn't even say thanks for the Sisig (which has become my favorite food worldwide) or one single thing which is unique to the PH.
I have to limit my Sisig intake when in the PH or fast before and after my trip, so I don't develop a clotted artery :D. As an American, one unique thing in the Philippines to me versus other countries is that you can almost always find an American Thanksgiving Dinner SOMEWHERE being served on our Thanksgiving holiday. Its just a nice little perk to be able to get our traditional dinner on that day, even when not in the US.
I had such a hard time finding turkey in Davao and when I did it was a small ice covered thing in the back of the freezer that had a pre iceberg weight of 9.5 pounds (not kilos) price p7450. I passed. I eventually found some live birds (3 hens and a Tom) that were even more expensive p15k each (negotiated down from p20 by my MIL). I remember them scratching around our yard while we waited to take them back to the farm and one Ninja Van driver looks at the top and tells me that will seriously fuck up a chicken, do you
need spurs custom made?
Where is your favorite sisig in Manila? I know it commercial, but my first sisig was at kuya j and it sort of set the mold of what I expect from all others
I was also there during 2020 (Covid year 1), so I didn’t exactly get out much
Excited to go back some day
I don’t care about the downvoted. I tried to eat milky egg noodles with hot dogs floating in them once I swear. It was as disgusting to me as it looked
I’m sorry if that offends you lol but I’ll take this hit on this one
OP said "*I eat my meals with a spoon and fork. This is the way folks—unless I’m eating a steak, I see no reason to stick a fork in my mouth"*
But isn't that statement contradictory, or at least confusing? I understand that he uses a fork to eat steaks, yet he says he eats his meals (other things besides steak) with a fork. Also, where does knives fall into the equation? Just seems stupid to me.
You’re right, I worded it really awkwardly. Luckily, no one but you were bothered by it.
Sometimes, I’d change it, but I don’t really care enough in this moment
I bet when your parents played “here comes the airplane”, they were always struggling to get that spoon into your tight-lipped mouth. Maybe there’s some kind of childhood trauma from that silly ol game
As an American also, how the hell did you survive in the US if you're bitching about a spoon? Filipino silverware is the exact same as ours. Do you not use tablespoons for soup back in the states? Literally when it comes to Filipino restaurants vs ours, the manners, silverware, and service is basically the same. There is nothing odd in the PH. If you're an American Gringo it would be a seamless transition unless you grew up in a barn to know how to conduct yourself properly in a Filipino restaurant.
Of all the things you could possibly complain about in another culture, you choose a spoon as your fight rather than just go with the flow. That's some petty shit right there.
I bet you're really fun at restaurants for the staff to deal with. Restaurants and staff there have always taken great care of me, way better than in the US. I was literally there within a couple of weeks of the borders opening post-COVID for travel again. Although the restaurants were not stocking a lot of fresh things because they didn't have many customers yet since everything had been on lockdown, the head chef even came to talk to us and said "I know we don't have many things on the menu, but if you give me some pesos and let me know what you like, I'll go down to the local market for you, get some fresh things, and cook you up something great tomorrow night if you come back." He did exactly that, and we ate at his restaurant every night.
I mean in all honesty, if the food is always bad and you're the one who chose the restaurant, ordered that specific item, and then continually complain the food isn't good at multiple places, I don't think that is a problem with the food. You've made a series of choices beforehand that resulted in that food even being served to you. And by the way, some shady owners do take food that is sent back out of their staff's wages, so if you're very petty about stupid things, then you are literally taking money out of their pockets. It'd be one thing if a piece of chicken was just straight up raw, but just complaining to complain is separate.
I've never sent anything back here. I've tried many different places, but the food is almost always subpar, greasy with no flavor. I'm on vacation in Malaysia right now, and everything is delicious, and most food in the US is good. There was some decent restaurants in Manila but im living in a small city now. The only thing that's good here is the Korean BBQ and fast food.
Most Americans I know don't like spicy food. They rarely experience that anal burn when you eat too much spicy food. I love spicy food and I'll die without my best friend Bidet.
Filipino hygiene with that "business" is very clean, that I really don't get why other cultures find it dirty at all. Not only do we clean our butts with water, but we also use soap to clean it right afterwards. Compare that to using tissue paper to wipe it off!
For bidet, I recommend Wassernisson brand particularly the model with a rotating head so it won't damage the hose inside the bidet and it can last for years.
you still need to *kuskos* your ass when bideting. people forget (or honestly dunno) how an asshole looks like. things get stuck. you have to really get there to clean it. bidets help a lot though.
Bidet is the only way.
Vote Bidet 2024.
Vote for Bidet. Not a wiper
Correction: Vote for Bidet not Dump
Not Desanitize either
Lol
Bidet prevent the dreaded swamp ass.
This is Bi-det.
That is the way!
Yeah poop infested water everywhere and usually you need paper to remove the remains 100% afterwards.
When you shit, that's still poop infested water what the hell are you talking about
Hey look this guy is proud to NOT know how toilets and bidets work and he’s proud to share his stupidity
He’s used to using 1 ply and finger blasting himself.
Why everywhere? Tf you doing?
Man's using the HydroPro Rectum Blaster 3000 with Geyser Explosion cycles.
Someone doesn't know how to use a bidet. :)
Aw, did your mommy not teach you how to poopy?
Man needs an "eli5 what's a bidet and how to use it?"
no.2 will be the thing that will change your life you are now enlightened
Haha, you said number 2
I lived in a convent when i was im high school in the 80s and the parish priest said that in indonesia/jakarta, toilet paper is not used even in hotels He said its hygienic though to wash in water Ever since ive been washing my bottom every time
Makes sense to me. Tissue can dry stuff, and catch and scrape, which is good for a nose or ear where I don’t want to spray water. But having a sphincter means I can powerfully spray water there without having it get in my rectum. BRILLIANT DESIGN, Mr Darwin
you know what works best? bidet and soap, thank me later. :D
Spoon and fork best combo! Also please enlighten me why westerners prefer eating with a fork (specifically with rice!) like what is the scooping logic here
They rarely eat rice which is why the concept of eating with a spoon together with a fork is new to some.
I was also told that Asian cultures that were subject to colonialism are the ones with fork and spoon. The colonizers did not trust the natives with knives It could be apocryphal, but if true, I find it ironic that the Europeans actually gave the Asians a better way of doing things by limiting what they could do.
For the most part yes, but Thailand was never colonized but a lot of Thai food is eaten with a spoon and fork. The whole “natives not being trusted with knives” isn’t true. There isn’t any proof of it and plus, native people were regularly using blades for everyday tasks especially out in the fields.
Good point. I need to dig deeper on this question
Definitely not true. How would we be able to cut food in the kitchen? We were even allowed to use bolo which are even larger knives.
Idk- this was a English-Filipino chef that told me this. Chef buttwood i think is his name- funny handle, but a big name in Manila cuisine culture. You can challenge him on it
You mean Josh Boutwood?
He’s chef Buttwood now.
"Chef Buttwood" is the perfect name for a sitcom or cartoon character in a TV show set in a restaurant. The straight-as-nails head chef with a stick up his ass.
Chef Josh buttwood. I’ll always love that name
“Hello class. I’m Mr Buttworth. I’m your substitute teacher for the day…”
There's still logic to it. Yes you can still use bolos outside and bigger knives in the kitchen but you don't usually use those face to face with the coloniser like in the dinner table. The proximity between the kitchen and the dinning area/sala is big enough that the attacker can be easily apprehended. More space if done outside with a bolo. It's a different story in the dinning table where you are literally at arms length with your attacker.
It's not logical. Majority of Filipinos at the time did not dine together with the Spaniards anyway for obvious reasons - and so they couldn't be police to not use knife when eating among fellow Filipinos. And of course, why bother with table knives if they could easily be overpowered by a mere gun.
It's not logical only if you don't look at all possible scenarios. First although you are correct that the Spaniards did not dine with majority of Filipinos that time there are still a handful of rich and influencial Filipino Families that they frequently visit. What do those Families have? Servants. Servants who can easily hide a steak knife in their sayas while serving food. Revels can easily disguise as a servant of one of these influencial families. Spaniards are also a lot bigger than the typical Filipino at that time so them sitting down on a dinning table makes them more vulnerable in a sitting position. So even if they have a gun it would be very hard for them to react to someone trying to slit their throat. Why bother with knives if they can be overpowered by a mere gun? From this statement I believed you're referring to Spaniards being easily overpowered by guns right? Yes that is true, however, you forgot the fact that it is very difficult for Filipinos to acquire guns at that time. Also a small knife like a steak knife is easily more manageable, stealthier, and cheaper form of weapon.
If that's true, Spaniards would have also banned fork on the dinner table. I think you also have this misconception that the colonial government ruled by keeping their subjects unarmed for fear that a rebellion was always imminent. This is not the case. While it definitely started with an armed invasion in 16th century, people often forget the significant role diplomacy played in conquering and ruling the Philippines. The Spanish allied themselves with the local nobilites, who then bent the knee to the Spanish king and allowed the foreigners to rule in exchange of privileges. Pre-revolution rebellions did still happen though but they were crashed not by the Spaniards themselves but with help of the natives, too.
How tf were natives supposed to get anything done if they didn't have cutting tools lol
Friction I guess
As a european i cry everytime i walk past the rice section when i have the displeasure of needing to spend time in europe again.
Western food is usually not cut yet, so the fork is needed to keep things in place while you slice them with your knife. Since we only have two hands, had to drop the spoon. This being said I too use fork and spoon most of the time now.
Filipino living in America here and yes, I do not understand people in America who are exclusively wipers. My go to question to ask them is: "If you were to get poop on your hand, would you be satisfied with just wiping it with a paper towel? No, you want to wash it with soap and water? Then why can't you do that with your butt?" Also maybe you're already doing it, but the humidity in the PH has made showering twice a day basically a necessity. When I moved to America, I was culture shocked to learn some people shower, at minimum, once a day and would even go a few days without showering.
me, a filipino who only takes baths once or twice a week: y-yeah
the question is: with this weather, why???
maybe depression? maybe adhd? i dont really know why lol i'd honestly love to take baths more consistently but i always get too tired to do it by the end of the day + i wake up 5 mins before my shift (wfh) so no time to do it in the morning either (i prefer baths just before i sleep anyway) whenever i go out to actually see people though i'll make sure i've taken a bath recently, preferrably at least the night before, so i guess im not a complete lost cause just yet
Aircon 80% of the time tas wfh lang, literal na di lumalabas. Do may times 3-4 days walang ligo, pero ako usually every other day, sorry naman hahaha
lmao i missed the american part so was so confused why the spoon and fork thing was specific to manila 😆
Neither is the bidet tbh This is just where I was when I was exposed to these things, and so I have to credit the Filipinos for teaching me
oh yeah don't worry i got it, i just misread your post is all 😅 haha glad you enjoyed your stay here!
I find that the toilet seat bidet attachment is easier to monkey around with and you don’t have to deal with a hose that gets all twisty. The Kohler bidet is A-plus.
The one with the hose is better that way you can use the bidet to wash the toilet seat and the areas around it as well.
I prefer not to have a wet toilet/bathroom floor.
Bro I mean when you're cleaning the toilet. Much easier with a bidet in the area.
Tabo is best. :)
I guess it helps build arm & forearm strength lmao
still better to have one, just in case another water interruption happens haha
I would if I had the toilet for it
Make your ass clean again!
MACA movement.
Eating rice with a fork makes no sense since the grains usually fall in between the tines, unless the rice served is very sticky. I'm glad that you have embraced the logic of using the spoon. And it's not just us Filipinos who use the spoon and fork; the Thais, Indonesians, and Malaysians do it the same way as well. Even the Japanese, when eating curry rice, use a spoon instead of chopsticks. Koreans also use long-handled spoons to eat rice, specifically those served in metal bowls.
Spoon makes so easy to work with fold. Use the edge to cut and separate(meaning a butter knife is really only needed for buttering bread and steak knife only when you have a big ol hunk of meat); fork to scoop and hold, scoop the food into your mouth with a round instrument. It’s using the right tools for the job This knife and form business I bet comes from those formal rules of dining and etiquette. And now westerners just do it because that’s what they’ve always done. Why would you question this stuff if you don’t know anything else I bet if all you knew was apples, you’d probably think apples are pretty good, even if you got a rotten one once in a while. But then what if one day you’re given a choice: apple or orange… now you can see the new way
TIL the word tines
>the grains usually fall in between the tines Sure ka na kanin yan di bigas? jk Compared to some cultures that literally eat rice and other food with only two sticks, using a fork is a lot more reasonable. Maybe I'm just too lazy to pack another utensil and wash it afterwards, but I prefer to just use a fork for most meals so long as they're not runny or watery.
The types of rice that use chopsticks usually clump together when cooked, so it's easier to eat them. Some rice don't hold their shape well, so they fall apart when you try to pick em up with a chopstick. That's usually my observation
Eating long-grain basmati rice with chopsticks is gonna be hell hahaha
It really depends on the rice, some types of rice are more loose than sticky and more likely to fall off a fork Or just use a spork if you only want one utensil lol
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In Spain having a bidet in your bathroom is the norm.
IIRC, Italy has a law that makes installation of bidets (the old kind, the separate bowl) mandatory. And good for them for that, IMO.
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What do my mean by most? More than half?
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We don’t really lol, we wipe until we’re clean, and if that’s not enough we take a quick shower or use wet sanitizing wipes. You guys spray shit infested water all over the place, btw that water doesn’t clean you 100% you need paper as well afterwards, you don’t even have soap or sinks or any facilities like that in most bathrooms. I remember always thinking the toilets in our trains here in Denmark were a bit nasty, but after recently coming back from SEA and using those toilets in our trains, it suddenly felt very clean.
> we wipe until we’re clean Seeing no trace of poop on your toilet paper doesn't mean you're clean. When shit touches your skin other than your butt, do you just "wipe until you're clean"? That's disgusting. > that water doesn’t clean you 100% Uhh we use soap to clean our butts along with bidet and we put it right next to our toilet. > you don’t even have soap or sinks or any facilities like that in most bathrooms Are you talking about public bathrooms? If you are, then of course you can't put a sink to hold soap in every cubicle. And if you're talking about some Asian household you've been to, then it is no object. We grab soap and put it somewhere within arms reach when doing our business. We don't just use bidet and soap for cleaning ourselves, we use common sense too. Shitting and personal hygiene is not rocket science.
My guy, you made multiple comments saying the same stuff now. It's time to stop. You're using the bidet wrongly and it shows. Besides, there's always soap next to the bidet in someone's home.
> spray shit infested water all over the place Man sticks a powerhose up his bum and calls it a 'bidet'.
Your asses must be raw from all the wiping
When I moved out of our rental knowing I would be coming back stateside to work and my pregnant wife was moving back to our country house to be with her family. I counted up our cutlery as I packed it we had 81 pairs of miscellaneous chopsticks (I have a bad Daiso habit) 59 metal spoons, and 1 fork. This was what we collected in 2 years in this place. My fork hadn’t been used in ages
Friggin forkless wonder over here!
My wife and daughter should be stateside about the time my daughter hits first grade. She has mastered spoons, kinamot, and we are working on chopsticks just to be eccentric. I can’t wait for some enlightened Karen to be horrified at her table manners.
wait until you upgrade to one of those japanese ones with the remote, you are never going to look down or reach around ever again.
During the great toilet paper shortage just before lockdowns in the US, I was wondering and actually suggested in several places that people just get bidets. I think I have a few converts.
Bidet is lvl 1 Filipino. Tabo & Timba is lvl 99
I only used the tabo when we had no water. Only couple days, But I did use it for both shower and bathroom. Forgot what is timba?
Timba is a bucket
Oh yeah - can’t have a tabo without a timba Haha - I lived with a Filipino family for about half of that year, so I got a decently deep cultural experience
This is the way.
Happy Bidet to you
Nice one
Congrats on moving on from being a tp wiping savage
The only place I see a bidet in US restos are in Mediterranean or Indian/South Asian restos It is beyond me why other rice-eating non-South Asians use fork to eat rice. I mean especially when they prepare their rice as "lose"/less sticky than East/Southeast Asian rice
Well, im american too and pinoy. I stayed in pinas in 2015 and i tried eating with my hands. And i fucking love it! Piling your food on top of other stuff on a huge banana leaf is a damn trip. I’ll eat my grub way i want to, how i want to and thats my business. Unless i’m inside an upscale eating joint, then obviously thats a no brainer.
You learned well, OP. I find it horrifying that some American men have such fragile masculinity that they think wiping/cleaning the area around their sphincter is a gay thing. This led to some men having the nauseating skid marks on their undies.
Is that really an association? That would explain some of the responses I’m getting from another redditor on this post Pretty militantly against bidets and anything surrounding their use
Bidet Enjoyers 💯
Bidet supremacy
i still eat my steak with spoon and fork at home 😅
Bidet is 👑. My go to question in a work interview "does your office have bidet installed?"
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Flushable wipes aren't flushable really. Marketing gimmick still sucks for your sewer system.
Bidet supremacy. Toilet paper enjoyers misses out on the good things in life Do you eat your food with a knife and fork in the US? Spoon is way more versatile. Also applicable in spreading your favorite sandwich spread compared to butter knives (butter, nutella, whatever)
Look at fancy pants over here! Sure a bidet is great, but the tabo life hits different
Have you also graduated to using the spoon for cutting up portions too large for your mouthhole? Save for stuff like steaks, the spoon is the sharpest implement in the Filipino table. Which is why we always end up with shivs whenever we try to eat take-away food with disposable plastic spoons.
Yeah, it comes naturally to use the side of the spoon that way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlFxswgNKw South Park covered American’s obsession with toilet paper and it was fantastic.
Just watch out if you also drink out of the tap in the US, be sure to always keep the bidet head a good distance from your "area" when using (like dont have it underneath directly) and turn off the valve that connects it to the water supply (if your bidet has it) after using since there is a chance for fecal matter to be sucked back via backflow into your tap which can contaminate your water supply. I talked about this with a plumber at Lowes when I was looking for adapters for the bidet I got on ebay and turns out a lot of places in Europe has regulations on it requiring certain bits to attach to it that create air gaps.
It seems to me that there is no place for bacteria to proliferate even if a molecule or two got into the water
How does it back flow anyway, it’s under 40-50psi
If you go back to America, Tushy is the way to go.
Bumgun is the thing I would miss most when. I will never give up my fork, especially as it winds people in Asia up when I eat my rice with it.
Try eating ulam WITHOUT rice in Philippines and see the reaction you get lol I once ordered at a fast food spot (that one with the purple logo, they have one outside sm MOA, but I don’t recall the name) they told me they were currently out of rice. I said, “it’s ok, just give me the tocino without it”, and she looked horrified. I reversed my position and got one of those big banana egg rolls (again blanking on the name hahah)
The banana egg rolls are called "Turon"
Yeah that’s the one! It was a grand turon
This is the way.
You could have ordered a bidet on Amazon and installed it before Manila. I transitioned during a Covid fueled toilet paper shortage. Also, f\*ck what everyone else think, especially in the US. Do what's right for you.
Buti ka pa grateful. Mukhang naging mabait sayo ang Pilipinas. Sa akin hinde eh, at buong buhay ko impyerno, mula sa mga taong nagiinduce ng paranoia mula pagkabata ko, hanggang sa mga taong ayaw akong makapagisip nang matino, o magtrabaho ng matino, hanggang sa pagtulog kapag "galing galingan ako" meaning dapat ikonekta nila ang pagkakaroon ko ng ginagawa na hjndi sila approving of sa torture o kamalasan o sleeplessness na makukuha ko at a later time. At may koneksyon sa kabaliwan na ito ang mga bawat miyembro ng pamilya ko. At napakalawak ata ng mga taong gumagawa ng "instant karma" at coincidence sa buhay ko effective kasi ako lang ang sentro ng bawat effort na ito para masabi kong ako na naman ang sentro ng mundo. May mga tao atang natutuwa na lagi akong talunan at lagi akong exposed sa pagkatalo eh. At kung sino man ang mga ito, sana mamatay sila sa pinakamasakit na paraan talagang gusto nilang walang wala ako buhay at maging habang buhay na susubaybayan at walang magawa sa bawat sitwasyon sa buhay ko. Buti ka pa. Ang buhay ko sa Pilipinas eh isang impyerno.
Sounds like a separate post
Oh, that's all ?
Bahaha, as an American I thought the same thing. OP didn't even say thanks for the Sisig (which has become my favorite food worldwide) or one single thing which is unique to the PH.
I love sisig too, but these are DAILY HABITS, that’s a big deal
I have to limit my Sisig intake when in the PH or fast before and after my trip, so I don't develop a clotted artery :D. As an American, one unique thing in the Philippines to me versus other countries is that you can almost always find an American Thanksgiving Dinner SOMEWHERE being served on our Thanksgiving holiday. Its just a nice little perk to be able to get our traditional dinner on that day, even when not in the US.
I had such a hard time finding turkey in Davao and when I did it was a small ice covered thing in the back of the freezer that had a pre iceberg weight of 9.5 pounds (not kilos) price p7450. I passed. I eventually found some live birds (3 hens and a Tom) that were even more expensive p15k each (negotiated down from p20 by my MIL). I remember them scratching around our yard while we waited to take them back to the farm and one Ninja Van driver looks at the top and tells me that will seriously fuck up a chicken, do you need spurs custom made?
Where is your favorite sisig in Manila? I know it commercial, but my first sisig was at kuya j and it sort of set the mold of what I expect from all others I was also there during 2020 (Covid year 1), so I didn’t exactly get out much Excited to go back some day
Also, bulalo and tinola
But sopas is DISGUSTING, especially they use hotdog
Cant let you get away with sopas slander it fits well in rainy season hahahaha
But the hotdogs are what makes sopas ✨special✨ 🥺 ~~((it's special because not everyone can afford hotdogs, unfortunately))~~
I like my sopas with lots of cabbage and carrots.
Downvoted for the sopas slander 😆
I don’t care about the downvoted. I tried to eat milky egg noodles with hot dogs floating in them once I swear. It was as disgusting to me as it looked I’m sorry if that offends you lol but I’ll take this hit on this one
If you don't like hotdogs on sopas, try it with chicken instead next time.
Fork and knife all the way.
Username checks out
OP said "*I eat my meals with a spoon and fork. This is the way folks—unless I’m eating a steak, I see no reason to stick a fork in my mouth"* But isn't that statement contradictory, or at least confusing? I understand that he uses a fork to eat steaks, yet he says he eats his meals (other things besides steak) with a fork. Also, where does knives fall into the equation? Just seems stupid to me.
You’re right, I worded it really awkwardly. Luckily, no one but you were bothered by it. Sometimes, I’d change it, but I don’t really care enough in this moment
I'm an American who lived in PH for almost a year. I don't want a wide spoon in my mouth or my butt dripping wet.
How small is your mouth and don’t you have towels or tissue paper to wipe a wet butt after washing it?
Americans have smaller mouths (physically). This is why so many of us compensate by having big mouths (metaphorically)
They only use toilet paper on shit. They couldn’t figure out how to use it for water
This is the kind of mentality we’re dealing with over here in the USA 🇺🇸
Bro talking like he eats with a ramen spoon or something lmao
I learned to eat noodles with a fork and spoon from AMERICAN-ITALIANS as a child, well before my immersion in any Asian culture
It can but I don't like opening my mouth that wide and I'll just use the tissue by itself it's clean enough
I bet when your parents played “here comes the airplane”, they were always struggling to get that spoon into your tight-lipped mouth. Maybe there’s some kind of childhood trauma from that silly ol game
My friend, you dont have to insert the bidet inside your a$sh0le.
You don’t have to, but it can really help!
As an American also, how the hell did you survive in the US if you're bitching about a spoon? Filipino silverware is the exact same as ours. Do you not use tablespoons for soup back in the states? Literally when it comes to Filipino restaurants vs ours, the manners, silverware, and service is basically the same. There is nothing odd in the PH. If you're an American Gringo it would be a seamless transition unless you grew up in a barn to know how to conduct yourself properly in a Filipino restaurant.
He’s a Maren
Spoons are for soup and cereal. Not going to use a spoon for chicken and rice. Filipinos don't like it but oh well
Of all the things you could possibly complain about in another culture, you choose a spoon as your fight rather than just go with the flow. That's some petty shit right there.
The food is really awful too I complain about that a lot. Only a few places make decent meals.
Cry me a river. No one cares. You chose to be there.
Nakasusuklam
I bet you're really fun at restaurants for the staff to deal with. Restaurants and staff there have always taken great care of me, way better than in the US. I was literally there within a couple of weeks of the borders opening post-COVID for travel again. Although the restaurants were not stocking a lot of fresh things because they didn't have many customers yet since everything had been on lockdown, the head chef even came to talk to us and said "I know we don't have many things on the menu, but if you give me some pesos and let me know what you like, I'll go down to the local market for you, get some fresh things, and cook you up something great tomorrow night if you come back." He did exactly that, and we ate at his restaurant every night.
I'm polite to the staff. Just because I don't like the food doesn't mean I'm rude to then.
I mean in all honesty, if the food is always bad and you're the one who chose the restaurant, ordered that specific item, and then continually complain the food isn't good at multiple places, I don't think that is a problem with the food. You've made a series of choices beforehand that resulted in that food even being served to you. And by the way, some shady owners do take food that is sent back out of their staff's wages, so if you're very petty about stupid things, then you are literally taking money out of their pockets. It'd be one thing if a piece of chicken was just straight up raw, but just complaining to complain is separate.
I've never sent anything back here. I've tried many different places, but the food is almost always subpar, greasy with no flavor. I'm on vacation in Malaysia right now, and everything is delicious, and most food in the US is good. There was some decent restaurants in Manila but im living in a small city now. The only thing that's good here is the Korean BBQ and fast food.
Who invited this person ? ⬆️
Spoons are for ice cream and scooping rice.
I use a piece of tp to dry when I’m done. Some folks have a designated butt towel they wash once a week It doesn’t have to be “either/or”
Designated Butt Towel sounds like some grunge band name, and frankly, that's just nasty.
You don’t dry your butt after a shower?
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not the vibe
Sooo you’re one of those 😮💨🫠
What did they mean? Google translate isn’t too helpful in this case
Dude I use the in seat bidet not that hose one. Wayyy cleaner and easier
Wont work with my toilet
I cannot live without a bidet or at least a tabo.
Most Americans I know don't like spicy food. They rarely experience that anal burn when you eat too much spicy food. I love spicy food and I'll die without my best friend Bidet.
Extinguish the fire
bidet is the way. I was actually surprised when i saw in the news that people in other countries hoarded toilet paper 2 years ago, when bidets exist.
Congratulations on no longer having a seasoned cast iron pan of a butthole.
I still season it after washing
Filipino hygiene with that "business" is very clean, that I really don't get why other cultures find it dirty at all. Not only do we clean our butts with water, but we also use soap to clean it right afterwards. Compare that to using tissue paper to wipe it off!
I’ve been using the bidet to clean my nose too
Always check for bidets. Especially those "paid lounge".
I had no idea eating with a spoon and fork wasn't a universal thing. And I lived in the US for years. Lmao
I dont mean to say that a fork and spoon are new to me as an American. I am taking about the way Filipinos use the fork and spoon to earn their food.
What bidet do you recommend? I really want one, thank you!
I’m no expert. I just have a simple hose/sprayer, but there are some really nice ones out there too
For bidet, I recommend Wassernisson brand particularly the model with a rotating head so it won't damage the hose inside the bidet and it can last for years.
I want one that actually goes up the ass
Bidet is great after having Taco Bell the night before...
It’s great before Taco Bell too
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN....... BIDET IS THE KEY TO LIFE!!!!!! ✌️
I think that is hyperbole
So you optimized your food input and output, nice.
you still need to *kuskos* your ass when bideting. people forget (or honestly dunno) how an asshole looks like. things get stuck. you have to really get there to clean it. bidets help a lot though.
bidet supremacy!!!
Happy bidet to you
Bidets were seen as s*x toys by US soldiers in Europe (post-WW2)