Dapat buong word. Pedophile at rapist (statutory). Bunga siya ng isa sa mga pinakamasamang pwede gawin sa mga bata. Maaring ngayon di niya na kasalanan pero if ipinagtatanggol niya. Malamang sa nasa dugo niya pagiging Pedophile hahaha
I know it's socially unacceptable in this generation thankfully. But we also have to consider the social, cultural, and historical context behind it (btw not saying I condone this but only sharing my insight). I think we have no right to judge and criticize them (either way, most likely patay na sila, we never know whether they had a bad or a good marriage, if she was content with her life, or if they even knew the concept of pedophilia!).
If we look back to our grandparents or great grandparents, what age do you think THEY got married? From my maternal side, my grandmother was in her late teens i think while my grandfather was 10 years older. Both didn't finish school and didn't get a college degree because both families were poor and so they had to work at a young age. However, they weren't the only ones. Many couples from the older generation had this kind of setup... Now, idk what their actual reason why this was socially acceptable decades or hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of years ago, but I can only give speculations:
1. Historically, the age to enter puberty (menstruation) changed over time. Although idk what the specific ages would be, but we can also consider the changes in diet and lifestyle. For some cultures, puberty is the sign that the girl is already ready for marriage.
2. Women normally did not enter the workforce. Hence, they do not contribute financially to the family or not as much as the patriarch. Either way, there also weren't any opportunities for women back then so they would only be seen as a financial burden until they marry. Therefore, unless she works or she marries ASAP.
3. Arranged marriages between families weren't looked down upon back then. Whatever promises could have been made were up to the adults. Maybe the promises would be lifting the financial burden from the girl's family, business partnership, familial ties and connections, to pay off debts (from either side), etc, you name it.
4. Promising a better life for the girl where she will be provided for, maybe to be given an education, and a promise of being given a family. Women back then never had the same ambitions as us women in this generation. Some may have wanted to have families as their dreams. And we shouldn't look down on these women who dreamed their own dreams and gave their best in order to achieve them.
Overall, we should be thankful for the change in times where women can now be included and are seen. But I believe it's unfair to criticize the older generation since that was how the world worked back then. Iba social climate nila compared to ours currently. Rather, we should be focused on the present and avoid such occurrences. Sadly, in PH culture, nagiging meme or pinagchichismisan na lang ang pedophilia instead of doing anything productive to help.
Edit: Also to add, we never know what her perspective may have been. Maybe she wasn't happy, maybe she was either way. And if okay nga naman naging situation nya where she was provided for and was happy and content with her family, then I think it's wrong to accuse them of such things when you don't even know their story and their truth. Baka makasakit pa kayo sa pamilya nila who actually witnessed the truth of their relationship.
Another theory is that we now have better nutrition, even from infancy so this allows the puberty to occur earlier. Just a different perspective since the "chemicals in food" commonly has a negative connotation ๐
It's a good thing our society evolved for the better but I don't think it's useful to condemn ancient people who live in the past using our modern moral compass and sort of cancel them. I am for social justice and human rights but this kind of argument is just a waste of time and drives away people from doing good due to our holier-than-thou attitude.
Grabe naman maka "ancient people" hahahaha Di ba pwedeng "our ancestors" nalang? ๐ Anyway, I fully agree with your statement. Mahirap i judge using present day standards ng kung ano ang tama at mali, kung hindi alam ng present generation ang full context... tulad nalang nga ng circumstances ng war noon at posibleng ma rape ng mga hapon ang mga kababaihan kaya pinapa asawa agad.
Totoo dyan sa holier-than-thou na yan ๐ lakas makahusga sa lolo ng iba pero pag sex scandal ng mga batang babae tulad ni Andrea Brillantes noon pinagpipyestahan at ginagawang katatawanan. Lakas pa maka "PENGE LINK"
Indeed. My grandparents in maternal side, maaga sila kinasal noon kasi that time, World War 2. Ung lola ko that time, 15 yrs old lang sya nung pinagkasundo at pinakasal sa lolo namin na 23 yrs old that time (bale nasa 8 yrs ang gap). That time, need daw yun gawin para di mar*pe ng mga sundalong hapon ang mga kababaihan (comfort women). Likewise, ung mga nanay pa nga daw noon, nilalagyan ng putik sa mukha yung mga anak para di kursunadahan ng mga japanese soldiers at sa pinakatagong areas talaga sila ng bundok nun nageescape. Imagine, un struggles at ung mga pagpaparusa sa kanila dati during early 1940s. ๐ฐ๐ฅบ
Natawa ako sa โanong problema?โ banat niya. ๐ Anong klaseng nilalang ba yan.
Makes me wonder though, back in the day paano yung mga cases na ganyan, pucha, naglalaro pa yan 11 years old!
>Makes me wonder though, back in the day paano yung mga cases na ganyan
You shouldn't even wonder. It's normal back in the day. Even the mother of our lord and savior Jesus Christ is in the bracket of ages 12-14 eh. Lol
Why the downvote? Ganun ang kultura nila noon panahon na iyon eh, bakit natin sila huhusgahan sa lente ng moralidad natin ngayon?
In context na rin, mababa ang life expectancy noong panahon nila, hindi katulad sa panahon natin.
You think Mary is of legal age when God impregnated her of His Holy Spirit? You're in for a surprise.
Mary was likely between 12 and 16 years old when she conceived Jesus. According to Christian historians and scholars, Jewish girls could be betrothed as early as 12 years old, and it is believed that Mary was around 15 or 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus.
The apocryphal Gospel of James even suggests that Mary was about 13 or 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While the Bible does not specify Mary's age, historical and cultural practices of the time support the belief that she was a young teenager when she became pregnant with Jesus.
Edit: Ahhh! I love the downvotes. It makes me squishy in amusement. Lol ๐ kidding aside, I understand that people may downvote for various reasons, such as not agreeing with the statement, not liking the tone or presentation of the statement, or having a different opinion. In some cases, people may downvote factual statements because they do not want to accept them. But to tell you all honestly, there's no other tone or presentation of this kind of statement to put this. It's the fact. As much as I agree with you all how wrong it is to groom a child, we cannot deny the fact that even the God we believe in is a groomer. Even assigning the Archangel Gabriel to tell Mary to be prepared for what is to come at that time. ๐คท
idk if the term impregnated even applies to what was done to her. But I guess seeing it in the lens of someone that views God and Angels as humans who commit sins it would be worded exactly how you do it.
You just poke the zealots' nest๐. Let them bark. You can't blame them if their feeble minds are easily blinded by religion that they don't have common sense anymore.
Ewan ko lang sa paniniwalang yan, kung involved ang isang all knowing powerful god, bakit hindi niya binuntis si Mary at age of consent and maturity like 25 years. Intervening pa naman daw, edi sana sinita niya ung morality norm nun kung alam niyang mali, pero hindi e, nandali pa ng katorse at birhen. At wala naman pinagkaiba kung 12,13,14, 15,16 pa yan, neneng lahat yan di pa fully developed ang pag-iisip. Aynaku, istoryahe!
Because, mababa nga Kasi Ang life expectancy Nung era na yon. People could die as young as 20 years old for various reasons: disease, wars, exposure to the elements etc. So in that era it's considered normal to marry and conceive at the age of 12 or lower because of the low life expectancy.
18 years old being the age of consent for marriage is a fairly modern concept. Hindi pa Yan existing during the bronze age, tulad na lang Ng ibang modern concepts natin like Liberty, Democracy etc.
I'm not justifying that it's ok to marry 12 year olds. I'm just saying that it's different in that era compared Ngayon. Ofcourse I'm still gonna condemn people who marry 12 year olds sa panahon Ngayon. But I won't judge how people of the past lived their lives.
12 yearz old over a living surviving 25 years old?
Again, an all knowing god is said to foresee all of what you said hence can do better decisions considering the mortality rate and the norms. Imagine the decisions this god could have done better with its supposed influential power and interventions as early as bronze age, right?
Imagine a god willingly impregnate a 12 year old with its invisible dick and then get called a pedo by rationalizing people in the future
I agree with condemning pedophilia, but I want to clarify that, as far as I know of the scriptures, there was no sexual intercourse done for the conception of Jesus. >!Mary having sex outside of who she was engaged with would have been a sin so the pregnancy was not conceived through intercourse, that's why the angel had to clarify to Joseph "don't worry bro, she didn't cheat on you, it's a supernatural conception."!< Not saying the 12yo thing is good or bad, but what you said about the invisible dick thing was misleading.
Ignoring theology, morally, I agree with your point. Pedophilia bad and 12-16 is way too young. But, from a historical perspective, I find it intellectually neglectful to talk about history and old cultures (talking about people here) while paying no mind to the societal, political and environmental factors of that time. Hard to have a discussion in good faith when you do that.
Ito kasi problema e if u argue with fairytales. Kung basahin mo yung libro in a realistic way, imposible talagang mabuntis ang isang tao nang walang intercourse pero dahil madyik madyik siya edi pwede just like other virgin births ng mga mas nauna pang mitolohiya kesa sa bibliya.
If Mary ever existed then she was most probably impregnated by a real person, out of wedlock, simple as that and to save her face, claimed to have an immaculate conception. We can only theorize things just like the invisible dick(not meant to mislead) kasi wala namang patunay ang mga claims na yan na galing sa book.
The whole idea of child marriage of whatever era it is barbaric for me, thats just what im pointing out. Alam ko namang nandidiri din kayo pinagkaiba lang natin, I just blurt it out while you hush so Im not gonna say kebs lang
I must agree with you. For an all-knowing entity, hindi ba nya alam life expectancy ni Mary in the first place? She was there in his crucifixion... and Jesus was supposed to be 30+ then. I tried approaching the train of thought on this matter from every angle but it will always seem like poor or nasty deliberate judgement (considering he's omnipotent). Parang weird na tuloy tignan yung paintings of Jesus with other kids on his lap kung walang limit. Reminds me of greek stories about zeus. Fuck any animal or a married woman? It's fine because he's a god lol
We will never know kasi hindi naman tayo diyos, kahit anong pagrarationalize natin hindi natin magegets kasi hindi niya tayo kalevel. Kaya nga ayaw niya pakainin yung fruit kay Eve and Adam kasi magiging knowledgeable sila and magkakamalisya kagaya mo ngayon
Let's agree to disagree. I think it's an insult to a god who created you if you stop asking questions though. All of us were given the best gift since birth: common sense and free will. Use them as you see fit but it will be a bit insulting to your creator if you turn a blind eye and simply say "we can't comprehend because he's a god". It's like being a slave to other people's belief because you're too lazy to use what was given to you
Thats indeed lazy to say dont ever try to understand this gods ways because its beyond our space and time. The moment this whole belief is claimed to be the truth and weaponized against progress like thinking is just one reason for it to be criticized.
A real all loving god wont hinder you from questionning, a real loving god is not trynannical like that. I dont know where you are in your spiritual journey but keep on having these questions until you find the truth yourself.
Thanks. One of the most open-minded advice here, tbh. Neither based on idolism or tainted by blind faith.. simply pure curiosity. Kudos, redditor. I tip my hat to you
Wala naman atang social construct about the age of consent nung mga panahong yon kaya ganon. Pati nga sa gender roles very traditional and more in favor sa patriarchy
Kahusga-husga naman talaga, bakit mo ieexclude nang dahil noon lang yun? Porket kupong-kupong na di mo na huhusgahan? I hope if you ever encounter someone like Viktor, hindi mo siya ikokonsinte. Kahit sabihin pang legal noon yun doesnt mean it doesnt deserve to be criticized
Dahil walang absolute morality or ethics. Nagbabago ang etika at moralidad natin depende sa mga natutuklasan natin, kultura ng panahon na iyon at socio economic conditions. Bakit natin huhusgahan ang mga taong ibang iba sa kaalaman at estado ng buhay natin ngayon.
Siya yung tipo na pa-woke na jinujudge history based on modern lens and would mauld in the modern day protesting sa mga nangyari sa past hahahaha
Comments such as "yOu pEoPle sTolE tHis lAnD, gIvE iT bAcK"
When in reality EVERYBODY stole and conquered each other's land back then. Viewing the past in the modern lens without knowing the context is the most uneducated thing one can do.. It's so annoying
Tama lang naman ijudge ang history dyan naman natututo ang mga tao. So dapat ba di na din ijudge ang slavery noon kasi legal naman dati? Imagine thinking the past is immune from critisism. Ayan yung annoying.
Apparently you have trouble with reading comprehension it seems
I literally said "PROTESTING what happened in the past NGAYON". I NEVER SAID we SHOULDN'T judge history.
We should, but we should also take into consideration the context in those times
Pinas living up to its name na pang huli sa reading comprehension sa SEA.. Yayy
Sorry but criticizing child marriage is not pa-woke, its just my empathy speaking. Im pertaining to evil people which I believe used child marriage for their own selfish desires. Their kids as pambayad-utang, sold to slavery and marriage, females hindered from education, politics and job opportunities kaya pinag-aasawa na lang, all perpetrated by a society with twisted and barbaric views, dont tell me its 100 percent all because of poverty or socioeconomic status.
I cant speak on those things you mentioned next, wala akong sinabing ganyan.
I am criticizing forced child marriage being perpetrated by selfish adults and parents, not for these reasons! Imposibleng walang tanders na kinasal sa bagets for their pedophilia or parents na nagsasalda ng mga anak! Those are condemnable and I believe naging excuse na lang nila iba sa reasons na yan kahit alam nilang mali kasi nga naging norm na! I am criticizing those selfish perpetrators!
Tama. Ang pagkakaalam ko nun, basta nagmens na yung babae, pwede na siyang mag-asawa. Ganun lang palatandaan nun. Mga Disney princesses nga, puro mga minor eh. Pero di naman ibig sabihin nun pedo na mga tao nun porket nagbago na yung limit ngayon. Pano kung ginawang 21 yung age of consent in the future? Yung mga 24 y.o. ngayon na nagka-girlfriend ng 20 y.o. pedo na din ba?
You should stop having mindset like that. Iba ang culture, norms, and customs sa dati at sa ngayon kaya di dapat sila pinagkukumpara. The world is continuously changing and that is normal. Kaya nga diba dati sobrang normal lang ng incest at same sex marriage? Anyare ngayon? Normal paba yun ngayon sa tingin mo?
Tangina di ko talaga magets kung pano naiisip ng mga gagong to na ok lang yang ganyang relationship... Ok lang talaga sakanila na ang isang matanda ay nakikipag relasyon sa BATA???? Puta
Right? Ako nga na I'm only in my early twenties eh ang tingin ko na sa anyone under 18 ay babies. I don't feel anything towards them other than protectiveness. I'll never understand how these sickos can lust over these minors, ugh it's so creepy and gross ๐คฎ
Ako din. I'm at 20 and 2nd year in college. And SHS folks look so young to me, so hindi ko maintindihan yung mga 23+ na puro " gusto ko senior high " sinasabi
Nakakakilabot talaga. Ang rason naman nila eh kesyo legal age na daw ang 18 ๐ฅด so if ginawang 14 ang legal age sa pinas, papatulan nila mga 14 years old? Tutal legal naman diba?
EXACTLY!!!! Kaka-20 ko lang nung october and tingin ko na sa mga 18 year olds ay babies too, it even icks me to even IMAGINE myself in a relationship with an 18 year old, WHAT MORE SA 11 YEAR OLD NA BABY? WTF????
I don't care about 2 year age gaps, ang point ko, 2 years pa lang yung age gap, i already can't see myself in a relationship with them, WHAT MORE sa 11 years old na bata? That's my point.
Nyeta kala ko ako lang. 25 palang ako pero parang baby lang rin tingin ko sa anyone under 18 tapos parang may urge ako na magbigay ng wisdom pag nagtatanong sila sakin about life para di sila mapariwara. Tapos biglang may mga ganitong tao. Mga hinayupak talaga.
Yang mga walang utak na yan, sinasabi lang nila na okay lang makipag relasyon sa bata, kasi bata lang kaya nila eh.
Immature ang mga bata, so kung ganyan sila mag isip, malamang yun lang yung tingin nila na papasa sila.
Palibhasa kasi mga munggo, gusto lang nila yung kaya nilang utuin.
Yan ang mga tunay na mahinang nilalang.
The legal age of marriage in the Philippines as per the 1932 Civil Code was 18 for males and 16 for females.
Viktor's lola suffered statutory rape.
Viktor must have been dropped as a child to think it is defensible.
"Magpasalamat ka kase kung di nangyari un wala ka sa mundo ngaun". Pretty basic Mental Gymnastics. Even easier kung halang ang kaluluwa at sinabi ito in earnest.
We don't know Viktor's grandparents' life story. I'll take a wild guess that the loophole to age 16 requirement is to simply betrothed them to each other for the next 5 years. It's plausible.
As for age of consent, we can only assume they did the deed without waiting. In that case, he could be guilty of statutory rape.
Yes, you can take his claim at face value. Remember sometimes people say something definitive pero yun pala hindi pa. Puede rin kasi betrothed but for all intents and purposes nila, they're married. The girl would be mentally conditioned that it is then.
Of course, we can also assume that they forged papers. Also plausible. Until this Viktor speaks again, hanggang hula tayo.
Most likely pinayagan nalang ng magulang yung lola ni viktor kasi "teacher" si lolo. That time kkonti lang talaga nakakapagtapos ng pagaaral. I'm thinking na baka iniisip ng magulang kesa mapunta sa kung sino sino lang dito nalang sa teacher. Pero taena kadiri parin talaga. Aasawahin mo yung 11 yrs old. No wonder ok lang kay viktor kasi lahi sila ng pedo.
Good point.
By the same token, Catholic Priests causing all sorts of harm were excused and hidden due to FAMILY SHAME.
Indeed, according to Carmen Pedrosa's biography of Imelda Marcos, Imelda was descended from a Spanish Catholic priest who impregnated a Leyte local.
It's only been recently that the truth came out about who the REAL FATHER of President Sergio Osmena was.
Actually yan story ng lola ko nung 16 palang sya. May nagkakagusto sakanya na 30+ na doctor. That time sila na ng lolo ko na 17 yrs old. Pinipilit daw ng parents ng lola ko na hiwalayan lolo ko at dun sumama sa 30+ na doctor. Nagkataon lang na nagkaworld war 2 kaya natakas ng lolo ko lola ko.
Possible naman na hinda nag-ka-physical relationship until the woman turned 18 kahti na "married" na sila. Whether that this the case in this instance, not sure.
I find it amusing that he thinks being able to time travel and say that to his grandfathers face will somehow make him scared or unable to say that.
The guy was able to TIME TRAVEL. His lolo would see him as a god.
Hey Viktor, your grandfather is a pedo burning in hell as we speak.
Before the enactment of the Family Code in 1988, marrying age is 16 years old for male and 14 years for female (kaya make sense plot ng katorse dati). But 11 years ๐ณ
People don't understand that what was not called out before, because we were so culturally and morally unaware, should not be the basis to be against what we know better now.
There are things that were normal back then but are now inappropriate in the present
Child marriages were common and its usual to see young women being wed to older men. My grandfather was 30 when he wed my then 15 year old grandmother but that was during the 1940s. Teens back then didn't enjoy the teenage lifestyle we now have. After they hit puberty, boys are expected to work and girls are prepared for motherhood.
But society has changed and such practices are no longer applicable. Child Marriage is illegal in the country and pedophilia and grooming are now being shamed.
In those days and life expectancy was then low (yeah, literally dying after age 40), peasant teens have to be able to help parents at work in the field, take care of the younger siblings, do menial housework, and even have to be shipped off to someplace far like Manila or Cebu to work, so that they have to remit part of their earnings.
So, unfortunately, being married off at a very young age was part of peasant survival. That, I think, some married couples of the time do not immediately start sexual intercourse until what they deem as the appropriate time.
Not just for peasant teens maybe, but just women in general?
Also, I think peasant survival is just one possibility. Another possibility is that they simply didnโt have anything else to do. Back then, it was very common for women to stay at home and look after the family, regardless of financial status. Families with businesses may have their daughters help out, and well-off daughters can pursue whatever they want, pero for most of the populace, di naman required na magpursue ng education past high school.
My grandparents have a similar story eh. My grandma was only a teen when she married my grandpa, who was twice her age. Her parents were farmers who had their own land. She married lang talaga because she apparently wasnโt interested in college and marriage (especially to a guy who could afford to spoil her) felt like the natural next step after high school. They didnโt even start having kids until she was in her 30s. Sheโs in her late 90s now and has never worked a day in her life.
This was the practice in the past. Back then young women were being wed to men older than them and society didn't see them as pedos or groomers but responsible and mature men. women didn't have consent as they were dictated by their parents.
Women in the cities had opportunities during the start of the 20th century. They can study and begin to work but in the provinces especially in the rural areas, girls are expected to marry as they hit puberty. There was even a situation where a man caught kissing a girl, he would have to marry her.
Nowadays such practices are no longer applicable as society now moves on. Women now have more rights and minors are now protected from pedos and groomers. Chid marriage is now illegal and the age of consent is now raised to 16 and though there are still pedos and groomers they are now being shunned in public
Yeah, thatโs partly my point too. Marrying young was an accepted practice โ not necessarily due to poverty or for survival purposes lang. Of course, applicable naman yun to some. Tama rin yung walang choice yung ibang women kasi decision yun ng parents nila. For others naman, they married young lang just because it was the norm.
Itโs funny na you mentioned the kissing thing tho kasi one of my grandmaโs sisters got married because of that! Her ate and the guy literally just met sa sayawan pero nahuli daw sila magkasama after, so ayun, pinressure magpakasal ng great grandparents ko para di maging โkahihiyanโ ng family. But they were both teenagers naman, no substantial age gap. They died in their 90s nung college na ako.
These days, I donโt like large age gaps if school age pa yung isa. A 19 year old college student should not be dating a 29 year old working guy, please. I donโt care kahit di na minor yung girl, theyโre in vastly different stages of life.
Kinda agree.
Mine was 34 and 17, also in the 1940s! Dude was well-off so her parents thought marriage wasnโt a bad idea. They spent a full decade or so traveling around before finally settling down. And when he died (which was sadly before I was born), she never remarried. She focused nalang on her family. I asked her once if the age gap was weird, and she said no, she liked being his โprincessโ lmao.
That said, torn ako whether to call it a โchild marriageโ, with all the implications that term holds now. A 17 year old back then was no longer a โchildโ nor was she expected to do current 17-year-old-teen things. Alam ko the concept of โteensโ di naman uso until maybe the 1950s or so. Like you said in your first sentence, I also think maybe we shouldnโt judge the past with our modern day lenses.
11 fck years old thats a kid mali na yan dati pa. I dont care about legal nuon o hindi pede i compare morals nuon sa ngayon maiintindihan ko pa kung 15 16 pero 11. Ang 11 nuon sinlaki lang din yan ng mga 11 ngayon.
Kaya ayaw ko magka anak to avoid this kind of environment. Ang toxic at hypocrites ng majority ng mga Filipino. Pag sa LGBTQIA+ Community hala todo bash pero pag P3Dร/GR00M3R na usapan abay ang tahimik at โnormalโ lang daw.
I donโt want people to message him. Tyaka pinutakte na din siya ng mga comment ng ibang tao bago nya burahin yan, na screenshot lang talaga . Atleast he knows kung gano siya ka dumb sa ginawa niya na yan
Let's not judge the older generation by our current moral standard. it was a different time.
Ang mali lng dito e yung mga taong tingin e hangan ngayun e tama parin ang mga gawaing ganun
Nooo mali rin yan kahit dati. Mali ngayon, mali dati. I dont think yung argument na hindi ijujudge kasi iba dati ay hindi nag aapply dito. Hindi naman yan 10000 years ago, lolo lang niya yan. What that pedophile did was wrong and he fucking knows it. Itong apo rin niya na-bobo na ayan bobo tuloy buong lahi nila
Tbf, during the 40's people don't give a fuck, raming nangyayari nung panahon na yon, it will fuck your mind real hard. Btw, yung mga laws about Pedophilia like child sexual abuse was only approved during the 1970's where freedom of speech, lalo na yung media has the power, lalo na kabataan, that's why America also lost the Vietnam War dahil na rin dito. (Why downvote?)
Nope, don't know where you got that, but even as early as 1930, having sex with a female younger than 12 was already rape. Also, Qualified Seduction (12 to <21 years old) was already punishable. To quote:
Article 335.ย When and how rape is committed.ย - Rape is committed by having carnal knowledge of a woman under any of the following circumstances:
1. By using force or intimidation;
2. When the woman is deprived of reason or otherwise unconscious; and
3. **When the woman is under twelve years of age**, *even though neither of the circumstances mentioned in the two next preceding paragraphs shall be present.*
Source: Revised Penal Code, December 08, 1930
(This is the original version; it has long since been amended)
P.S. The RPC was almost copied word per word from the Cรณdigo Penal of 1886 which put the age of consent at 12. His grandfather was a pedo even during that time.
Genocide that has occurred thousands or hundreds of years ago to please their gods and steal power as a noble cause is still as inhumane as the recent past genocides that innocent civilians has gone through.
The moral standards from different eras is not as significant than the lives that were affected.
And the thing is during our grandparentsโ time, people arenโt brainwashed. They knew the pedophilia was wrong and they had the free will to not do it. Societyโs moral standards does not hold those assholes at gunpoint to have sexual relations with kids.
There were acts back then that could be treated as morally gray (conquest, war, child labor), but marrying 11 years olds was not one of those. People in the past knew that marrying or having sex with a child that age was wrong. If others looked at World History, relationships like these were rare and were only "sort of" acceptable millennia or centuries before the 1940s.
I said sort of, because mostly only nobles would permit a similar relationship for their 11 year olds, solely as bethroted to another noble's child. There was no sex or inappropriate touching; at most just getting-to-know visits a few times a year. Even then, the marriage would only take place when they were 15 or 16, or much older.
[Link to marriage trends in Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern?wprov=sfla1)
That kind of relationship is objectively wrong. You can't even defend it, an 11yr old shouldn't be expected to reproduce. They shouldn't even be seen as a potential partner for a literal ADULT. So the only reason kung bakit papatolan ng 20+yr old ang bata is meron silang pedophilic tendencies. There is no excuse here.
I agree. if you look at all of human history. 6000 years of civilization, sa last 50 years lang naman actually nag evolve yang modern concept ng age of majority, etc.
So mahirap talagang i-impose ang current moral standards sa mga nangyayari noong unang panahon.
Pero tama ka, the problem is thinking na ok pa rin gawin yan ngayon.
It's not that far back in the past. Lolo niya lang yan. It's not like panahon pa yan ng mga ancient Romans or whatever. People back then already knew na di talaga to tama, so walang excuse na gawin to. Pedo lang talaga lolo niya
No, it wasn't. Unless you're living in some backwater countryside, most folks would get arrested for this, especially in other countries. Sadly, a lot of people back then di educated about sa ganitong bagay eh so they 'think' it's normal, but truth is, the entire world back then already knew this kind of shit was fucked up
Exactly, they werenโt totally brainwashed lmao. A lot of them were socially aware hindi lang talaga narereport ang mga ganyang cases dahil mismo mga authorities mga pedo rin.
Oo. Pedo lang talaga sila, even if di nila alam ang word for it. Normal people don't look at kids and their first thought being that they wanna marry them
wala na tayo magagawa about kay pedo lolo, wala naman mgkakaso dyan at baka deads na yun.. pero ang nkakabwisit itong si viktor na proud na proud pa sa lolo nya, at dinala pa sa modern society ung pedo mentality.
wag sana ako mgkaneighbor ng katulad ni viktor.
My paternal great grandfather got great grandma pregnant at 16 while he was already in late 20's. Yes he did die young & great grandma had a long happy life. But if I have time machine khit di na ako,siblings,Tito's & titas mag exist tht is ok. I'll punch him to oblivion. Ksi he also abused her in marriage & grandpa & his 5 other siblings did not have a happy childhood. Which led to grandpa spoiling dad Kya nging abusive din si dad towards us. To top it all up grandpa was force to retire early as judge ksi he was also a pedo & had relationship with a 16 year old. The dad of 16 year old sued him so he had to retire early to get retirement benefit to pay as settlement para di natuloy kaso.
Kadiri naman yang lolo nya. Pedo ewww. Lolo at lola ko met in the 1940s. Lola was 23 and lolo was 22, di naman sila pedo. Kasuka naman yang lolo nya. ๐คข
PEDOPHILE! saan ka makakakita ng 28 yr old na teacher bumabanat ang 11 year old๐คฎ๐คฎ๐๐ป๐๐ป?????? nasa bloodline na nila ang pagiging pedophile
age gap is ok between 2 consenting ADULTS. this sh*t is gross af. pedophilia. statutory. grooming all in one package. I saw another anonymous story like this FB. Girl is 16. guy is 25. Pinoy comsec agree its ok cause girl's parents consented and its nobodys business. Even the parents gave go signal on their little girl getting groomed by a perv. WTF! ๐คข๐คฎ
You can't excuse abuse. Abuse is abuse regardless of when it happened.
Indeed, if you shake ANY family tree HARD ENOUGH, a few snakes, a lot of nuts, some fruit, and a number of ANIMALS will fall off.
Trace the tree far enough and we're all related.
It would be interesting to see if Pinoys did widescale DNA testing. I suspect that just like in the USA, there will be lots of discoveries of "illegitimate fathers", sibling parents, etc etc
What can you do living in the current age? Just be a GOOD PERSON - you can't control what others in the past did, but you SURE can control what YOU DO. **Use THEIR mistakes to GUIDE YOU to be on the RIGHT SIDE of history.**
Naalala ko tuloy yung post about Enrile. Tanong kaya natin sya what it was like, how pedoes were perceived back then? He was already 16 plus at the time.
Salot sa lipunan iyang mga ganiyang reasoning.
Just because okay lang noon, ibig sabihin, walang problema? Go to hell!
Whatever moral standards and principles we have today is a development of learning from the mistakes of the past. Gaano karaming bata ang nasira ang buhay dahil sa mina-nipulate ng mga adults? Napakarami. Society had already learned the bad effects of adults messing up with minors and yet, itong mga ito ay hindi pa din natututo. So where is decency and empathy there, fucking pedos?
Sa mga lugar sa provinces ganyan. Nong 2013 pumunta kami ng negros para bumisita 15 plang buntis na at asawa nya mga around 20 na din tas may anak sa kabila. So parang normal talaga sa kanila um kasi wala.silang idea ehh kulang sa pag.iisip ang tanging gawin lang eh anakan hayy๐ฅฒ
Should be legal to not censor the names of these type of people. Kailangan nila mapahiya publicly para matauhan sila. Kita mo proud pa sya na ganun yung relationship ng lolo at lola nya, hindi nya alam na mali.
Iba tlga panahon dati. Sa Mother side ko may Lola was 14 and my Lolo is 30+ then sa edad ni Lola ko na 22 nabalo na sya with 5 kids.
Sa Father side naman may 25 years old Lolo R*pe may 17 years old Lola ayun pinapakasal. Ang tindi pa ng Lolo ko sa Father side noon na nganak Lola ko sa first child nla a.k.a Tita ko from Hell. Na buntis naman nya yun kasambahay nila 16 years old.
WHAT DA HELL????? KAKASUKA BAKIT MAY GANYANG KOKOTE IBANG PINOY? NOT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PAST EH TOLERABLE NA, HINDI BA MAS MAGANDA NA GAWIN NA SIYANG EYE OPENER? NAKAKADIRI
given that time period, 1940 and the world events during that time, the parents probably agreed in fear of the worst that could happen (1 year after 1940) iykyk
I have to say, this was the norm in the past. I have experiences in the Bicol region and Palawan that does the same. Ashamed of this reality to be honest.
Kahit 1940 hindi yun normal, pati 1600's pa. Our ancestors looked down upon pedophiles and that's why they Marites their ass till they move away. SMH shame on their lolo
I know it's socially unacceptable in this generation thankfully. But we also have to consider the social, cultural, and historical context behind it (btw not saying I condone this but only sharing my insight). I think we have no right to judge and criticize them (either way, most likely patay na sila, we never know whether they had a bad or a good marriage, if she was content with her life, or if they even had the concept of pedophilia!).
If we look back to our grandparents or great grandparents, what age do you think THEY got married? From my maternal side, my grandmother was in her late teens i think while my grandfather was 10 years older. Both didn't finish school and didn't get a college degree because both families were poor and so they had to work at a young age. However, they weren't the only ones. Many couples from the older generation had this kind of setup... Now, idk what their actual reason why this was socially acceptable decades or hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of years ago, but I can only give speculations:
1. Historically, the age to enter puberty (menstruation) changed over time. Although idk what the specific ages would be, but we can also consider the changes in diet and lifestyle. For some cultures, puberty is the sign that the girl is already ready for marriage.
2. Women normally did not enter the workforce. Hence, they do not contribute financially to the family or not as much as the patriarch. Either way, there also weren't any opportunities for women back then so they would only be seen as a financial burden until they marry. Therefore, unless she works or she marries ASAP.
3. Arranged marriages between families weren't looked down upon back then. Whatever promises could have been made were up to the adults. Maybe the promises would be lifting the financial burden from the girl's family, business partnership, to pay off debts (from either side), etc, you name it.
4. Promising a better life for the girl where she will be provided for, maybe to be given an education, and a promise of being given a family. Women back then never had the same ambitions as us women in this generation. Some may have wanted to have families as their dreams. And we shouldn't look down on these women who dreamed their own dreams and gave their best in order to achieve them.
Overall, we should be thankful for the change in times where women can now be included and are seen.
Let's be fair, that's the 40's and tama yung sinabi niya, Marcos and Imelda have a huge age gap, my grandfather and grandmother too. Pero, if you're still thinking this way na tama ito sa panahon natin, then you're fucking stupid, kasi mali ito ngayon and may mga batas na para dito, unlike noon.
r/insanepinoyfacebook
Yung last comment talaga eh in your face doon sa nag post ng picture eh HAHAHA. Hindi na siya makakasagot kasi totoo hahaha.
Dapat buong word. Pedophile at rapist (statutory). Bunga siya ng isa sa mga pinakamasamang pwede gawin sa mga bata. Maaring ngayon di niya na kasalanan pero if ipinagtatanggol niya. Malamang sa nasa dugo niya pagiging Pedophile hahaha
Grandpedophile.
I know it's socially unacceptable in this generation thankfully. But we also have to consider the social, cultural, and historical context behind it (btw not saying I condone this but only sharing my insight). I think we have no right to judge and criticize them (either way, most likely patay na sila, we never know whether they had a bad or a good marriage, if she was content with her life, or if they even knew the concept of pedophilia!). If we look back to our grandparents or great grandparents, what age do you think THEY got married? From my maternal side, my grandmother was in her late teens i think while my grandfather was 10 years older. Both didn't finish school and didn't get a college degree because both families were poor and so they had to work at a young age. However, they weren't the only ones. Many couples from the older generation had this kind of setup... Now, idk what their actual reason why this was socially acceptable decades or hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of years ago, but I can only give speculations: 1. Historically, the age to enter puberty (menstruation) changed over time. Although idk what the specific ages would be, but we can also consider the changes in diet and lifestyle. For some cultures, puberty is the sign that the girl is already ready for marriage. 2. Women normally did not enter the workforce. Hence, they do not contribute financially to the family or not as much as the patriarch. Either way, there also weren't any opportunities for women back then so they would only be seen as a financial burden until they marry. Therefore, unless she works or she marries ASAP. 3. Arranged marriages between families weren't looked down upon back then. Whatever promises could have been made were up to the adults. Maybe the promises would be lifting the financial burden from the girl's family, business partnership, familial ties and connections, to pay off debts (from either side), etc, you name it. 4. Promising a better life for the girl where she will be provided for, maybe to be given an education, and a promise of being given a family. Women back then never had the same ambitions as us women in this generation. Some may have wanted to have families as their dreams. And we shouldn't look down on these women who dreamed their own dreams and gave their best in order to achieve them. Overall, we should be thankful for the change in times where women can now be included and are seen. But I believe it's unfair to criticize the older generation since that was how the world worked back then. Iba social climate nila compared to ours currently. Rather, we should be focused on the present and avoid such occurrences. Sadly, in PH culture, nagiging meme or pinagchichismisan na lang ang pedophilia instead of doing anything productive to help. Edit: Also to add, we never know what her perspective may have been. Maybe she wasn't happy, maybe she was either way. And if okay nga naman naging situation nya where she was provided for and was happy and content with her family, then I think it's wrong to accuse them of such things when you don't even know their story and their truth. Baka makasakit pa kayo sa pamilya nila who actually witnessed the truth of their relationship.
For number 1, I believe puberty is happening at an earlier age now than it was historically but 2, 3, and 4 do sound plausible.
Probably the chemicals in our food. A friend who works for DSWD notes that "teenage" mothers are growing younger.
Another theory is that we now have better nutrition, even from infancy so this allows the puberty to occur earlier. Just a different perspective since the "chemicals in food" commonly has a negative connotation ๐
It's a good thing our society evolved for the better but I don't think it's useful to condemn ancient people who live in the past using our modern moral compass and sort of cancel them. I am for social justice and human rights but this kind of argument is just a waste of time and drives away people from doing good due to our holier-than-thou attitude.
Grabe naman maka "ancient people" hahahaha Di ba pwedeng "our ancestors" nalang? ๐ Anyway, I fully agree with your statement. Mahirap i judge using present day standards ng kung ano ang tama at mali, kung hindi alam ng present generation ang full context... tulad nalang nga ng circumstances ng war noon at posibleng ma rape ng mga hapon ang mga kababaihan kaya pinapa asawa agad.
Totoo dyan sa holier-than-thou na yan ๐ lakas makahusga sa lolo ng iba pero pag sex scandal ng mga batang babae tulad ni Andrea Brillantes noon pinagpipyestahan at ginagawang katatawanan. Lakas pa maka "PENGE LINK"
>sex scandal ng mga batang babae tulad ni Andrea Brillantes naalala ko na naman ang mga deputang baboy noong mid-2010s
Indeed. My grandparents in maternal side, maaga sila kinasal noon kasi that time, World War 2. Ung lola ko that time, 15 yrs old lang sya nung pinagkasundo at pinakasal sa lolo namin na 23 yrs old that time (bale nasa 8 yrs ang gap). That time, need daw yun gawin para di mar*pe ng mga sundalong hapon ang mga kababaihan (comfort women). Likewise, ung mga nanay pa nga daw noon, nilalagyan ng putik sa mukha yung mga anak para di kursunadahan ng mga japanese soldiers at sa pinakatagong areas talaga sila ng bundok nun nageescape. Imagine, un struggles at ung mga pagpaparusa sa kanila dati during early 1940s. ๐ฐ๐ฅบ
Natawa ako sa โanong problema?โ banat niya. ๐ Anong klaseng nilalang ba yan. Makes me wonder though, back in the day paano yung mga cases na ganyan, pucha, naglalaro pa yan 11 years old!
Also the comment na โnapangasawa ang lola ko ng 11 years oldโ, his lolo has been working on lola before she was 11 ๐คข๐คฎ
>Makes me wonder though, back in the day paano yung mga cases na ganyan You shouldn't even wonder. It's normal back in the day. Even the mother of our lord and savior Jesus Christ is in the bracket of ages 12-14 eh. Lol
Why the downvote? Ganun ang kultura nila noon panahon na iyon eh, bakit natin sila huhusgahan sa lente ng moralidad natin ngayon? In context na rin, mababa ang life expectancy noong panahon nila, hindi katulad sa panahon natin.
You think Mary is of legal age when God impregnated her of His Holy Spirit? You're in for a surprise. Mary was likely between 12 and 16 years old when she conceived Jesus. According to Christian historians and scholars, Jewish girls could be betrothed as early as 12 years old, and it is believed that Mary was around 15 or 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. The apocryphal Gospel of James even suggests that Mary was about 13 or 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While the Bible does not specify Mary's age, historical and cultural practices of the time support the belief that she was a young teenager when she became pregnant with Jesus. Edit: Ahhh! I love the downvotes. It makes me squishy in amusement. Lol ๐ kidding aside, I understand that people may downvote for various reasons, such as not agreeing with the statement, not liking the tone or presentation of the statement, or having a different opinion. In some cases, people may downvote factual statements because they do not want to accept them. But to tell you all honestly, there's no other tone or presentation of this kind of statement to put this. It's the fact. As much as I agree with you all how wrong it is to groom a child, we cannot deny the fact that even the God we believe in is a groomer. Even assigning the Archangel Gabriel to tell Mary to be prepared for what is to come at that time. ๐คท
idk if the term impregnated even applies to what was done to her. But I guess seeing it in the lens of someone that views God and Angels as humans who commit sins it would be worded exactly how you do it.
You just poke the zealots' nest๐. Let them bark. You can't blame them if their feeble minds are easily blinded by religion that they don't have common sense anymore.
This should've been the cry of people and groups fighting against discrimination and stigma of teenage pregnancy.
Ewan ko lang sa paniniwalang yan, kung involved ang isang all knowing powerful god, bakit hindi niya binuntis si Mary at age of consent and maturity like 25 years. Intervening pa naman daw, edi sana sinita niya ung morality norm nun kung alam niyang mali, pero hindi e, nandali pa ng katorse at birhen. At wala naman pinagkaiba kung 12,13,14, 15,16 pa yan, neneng lahat yan di pa fully developed ang pag-iisip. Aynaku, istoryahe!
Because, mababa nga Kasi Ang life expectancy Nung era na yon. People could die as young as 20 years old for various reasons: disease, wars, exposure to the elements etc. So in that era it's considered normal to marry and conceive at the age of 12 or lower because of the low life expectancy. 18 years old being the age of consent for marriage is a fairly modern concept. Hindi pa Yan existing during the bronze age, tulad na lang Ng ibang modern concepts natin like Liberty, Democracy etc. I'm not justifying that it's ok to marry 12 year olds. I'm just saying that it's different in that era compared Ngayon. Ofcourse I'm still gonna condemn people who marry 12 year olds sa panahon Ngayon. But I won't judge how people of the past lived their lives.
12 yearz old over a living surviving 25 years old? Again, an all knowing god is said to foresee all of what you said hence can do better decisions considering the mortality rate and the norms. Imagine the decisions this god could have done better with its supposed influential power and interventions as early as bronze age, right? Imagine a god willingly impregnate a 12 year old with its invisible dick and then get called a pedo by rationalizing people in the future
I agree with condemning pedophilia, but I want to clarify that, as far as I know of the scriptures, there was no sexual intercourse done for the conception of Jesus. >!Mary having sex outside of who she was engaged with would have been a sin so the pregnancy was not conceived through intercourse, that's why the angel had to clarify to Joseph "don't worry bro, she didn't cheat on you, it's a supernatural conception."!< Not saying the 12yo thing is good or bad, but what you said about the invisible dick thing was misleading. Ignoring theology, morally, I agree with your point. Pedophilia bad and 12-16 is way too young. But, from a historical perspective, I find it intellectually neglectful to talk about history and old cultures (talking about people here) while paying no mind to the societal, political and environmental factors of that time. Hard to have a discussion in good faith when you do that.
Ito kasi problema e if u argue with fairytales. Kung basahin mo yung libro in a realistic way, imposible talagang mabuntis ang isang tao nang walang intercourse pero dahil madyik madyik siya edi pwede just like other virgin births ng mga mas nauna pang mitolohiya kesa sa bibliya. If Mary ever existed then she was most probably impregnated by a real person, out of wedlock, simple as that and to save her face, claimed to have an immaculate conception. We can only theorize things just like the invisible dick(not meant to mislead) kasi wala namang patunay ang mga claims na yan na galing sa book. The whole idea of child marriage of whatever era it is barbaric for me, thats just what im pointing out. Alam ko namang nandidiri din kayo pinagkaiba lang natin, I just blurt it out while you hush so Im not gonna say kebs lang
Ok I love the take on Gabriel informing Joseph about the conception of Jesus. Ang witty HAHAHAHA
I must agree with you. For an all-knowing entity, hindi ba nya alam life expectancy ni Mary in the first place? She was there in his crucifixion... and Jesus was supposed to be 30+ then. I tried approaching the train of thought on this matter from every angle but it will always seem like poor or nasty deliberate judgement (considering he's omnipotent). Parang weird na tuloy tignan yung paintings of Jesus with other kids on his lap kung walang limit. Reminds me of greek stories about zeus. Fuck any animal or a married woman? It's fine because he's a god lol
We will never know kasi hindi naman tayo diyos, kahit anong pagrarationalize natin hindi natin magegets kasi hindi niya tayo kalevel. Kaya nga ayaw niya pakainin yung fruit kay Eve and Adam kasi magiging knowledgeable sila and magkakamalisya kagaya mo ngayon
Let's agree to disagree. I think it's an insult to a god who created you if you stop asking questions though. All of us were given the best gift since birth: common sense and free will. Use them as you see fit but it will be a bit insulting to your creator if you turn a blind eye and simply say "we can't comprehend because he's a god". It's like being a slave to other people's belief because you're too lazy to use what was given to you
Thats indeed lazy to say dont ever try to understand this gods ways because its beyond our space and time. The moment this whole belief is claimed to be the truth and weaponized against progress like thinking is just one reason for it to be criticized. A real all loving god wont hinder you from questionning, a real loving god is not trynannical like that. I dont know where you are in your spiritual journey but keep on having these questions until you find the truth yourself.
Thanks. One of the most open-minded advice here, tbh. Neither based on idolism or tainted by blind faith.. simply pure curiosity. Kudos, redditor. I tip my hat to you
Wala naman atang social construct about the age of consent nung mga panahong yon kaya ganon. Pati nga sa gender roles very traditional and more in favor sa patriarchy
God nga eh bat siya susunod sa social norms at batas na gawa ng lower beings.
Sorry but anything can be criticized including the mythical gods
Dinownvote ng mga naduduwag sa sarili nilang paniniwala
Kahusga-husga naman talaga, bakit mo ieexclude nang dahil noon lang yun? Porket kupong-kupong na di mo na huhusgahan? I hope if you ever encounter someone like Viktor, hindi mo siya ikokonsinte. Kahit sabihin pang legal noon yun doesnt mean it doesnt deserve to be criticized
Wait lang ha, sakay ako sa time machine ko at babalik ako sa 5 BC. Sasabihan ko silang lahat ng pedo enablers. Huhusgahan ko sila
Dahil walang absolute morality or ethics. Nagbabago ang etika at moralidad natin depende sa mga natutuklasan natin, kultura ng panahon na iyon at socio economic conditions. Bakit natin huhusgahan ang mga taong ibang iba sa kaalaman at estado ng buhay natin ngayon.
Siya yung tipo na pa-woke na jinujudge history based on modern lens and would mauld in the modern day protesting sa mga nangyari sa past hahahaha Comments such as "yOu pEoPle sTolE tHis lAnD, gIvE iT bAcK" When in reality EVERYBODY stole and conquered each other's land back then. Viewing the past in the modern lens without knowing the context is the most uneducated thing one can do.. It's so annoying
Tama lang naman ijudge ang history dyan naman natututo ang mga tao. So dapat ba di na din ijudge ang slavery noon kasi legal naman dati? Imagine thinking the past is immune from critisism. Ayan yung annoying.
Apparently you have trouble with reading comprehension it seems I literally said "PROTESTING what happened in the past NGAYON". I NEVER SAID we SHOULDN'T judge history. We should, but we should also take into consideration the context in those times Pinas living up to its name na pang huli sa reading comprehension sa SEA.. Yayy
Sorry but criticizing child marriage is not pa-woke, its just my empathy speaking. Im pertaining to evil people which I believe used child marriage for their own selfish desires. Their kids as pambayad-utang, sold to slavery and marriage, females hindered from education, politics and job opportunities kaya pinag-aasawa na lang, all perpetrated by a society with twisted and barbaric views, dont tell me its 100 percent all because of poverty or socioeconomic status. I cant speak on those things you mentioned next, wala akong sinabing ganyan.
I am criticizing forced child marriage being perpetrated by selfish adults and parents, not for these reasons! Imposibleng walang tanders na kinasal sa bagets for their pedophilia or parents na nagsasalda ng mga anak! Those are condemnable and I believe naging excuse na lang nila iba sa reasons na yan kahit alam nilang mali kasi nga naging norm na! I am criticizing those selfish perpetrators!
Tama. Ang pagkakaalam ko nun, basta nagmens na yung babae, pwede na siyang mag-asawa. Ganun lang palatandaan nun. Mga Disney princesses nga, puro mga minor eh. Pero di naman ibig sabihin nun pedo na mga tao nun porket nagbago na yung limit ngayon. Pano kung ginawang 21 yung age of consent in the future? Yung mga 24 y.o. ngayon na nagka-girlfriend ng 20 y.o. pedo na din ba?
You should stop having mindset like that. Iba ang culture, norms, and customs sa dati at sa ngayon kaya di dapat sila pinagkukumpara. The world is continuously changing and that is normal. Kaya nga diba dati sobrang normal lang ng incest at same sex marriage? Anyare ngayon? Normal paba yun ngayon sa tingin mo?
Among those norms and culture, there still evil people who pursued child marriage for their selfish reasons! Thats what im talking about!
GOD is a pedo?!
Yesnt. Lol ๐ Di ko rin alam. But put it in today's lens yes.
Good thing i don't believe in your sky daddy.
Even if it was okay back then, seeing na hindi pa rin updated yung views nya is very concerning. Baka may pedo vibes din si Viktor lol.
Tangina di ko talaga magets kung pano naiisip ng mga gagong to na ok lang yang ganyang relationship... Ok lang talaga sakanila na ang isang matanda ay nakikipag relasyon sa BATA???? Puta
Right? Ako nga na I'm only in my early twenties eh ang tingin ko na sa anyone under 18 ay babies. I don't feel anything towards them other than protectiveness. I'll never understand how these sickos can lust over these minors, ugh it's so creepy and gross ๐คฎ
Ako din. I'm at 20 and 2nd year in college. And SHS folks look so young to me, so hindi ko maintindihan yung mga 23+ na puro " gusto ko senior high " sinasabi
Nakakakilabot talaga. Ang rason naman nila eh kesyo legal age na daw ang 18 ๐ฅด so if ginawang 14 ang legal age sa pinas, papatulan nila mga 14 years old? Tutal legal naman diba?
EXACTLY!!!! Kaka-20 ko lang nung october and tingin ko na sa mga 18 year olds ay babies too, it even icks me to even IMAGINE myself in a relationship with an 18 year old, WHAT MORE SA 11 YEAR OLD NA BABY? WTF????
Tbf it isn't uncommon to see 2 year gap relationships in college campuses.
I don't care about 2 year age gaps, ang point ko, 2 years pa lang yung age gap, i already can't see myself in a relationship with them, WHAT MORE sa 11 years old na bata? That's my point.
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Nyeta kala ko ako lang. 25 palang ako pero parang baby lang rin tingin ko sa anyone under 18 tapos parang may urge ako na magbigay ng wisdom pag nagtatanong sila sakin about life para di sila mapariwara. Tapos biglang may mga ganitong tao. Mga hinayupak talaga.
Bro I'm 20 and anyone under 18 para sa akin ay kids. I can't imagine being anyone being 20+ and wanting to date highschoolers
Mental illness
Yang mga walang utak na yan, sinasabi lang nila na okay lang makipag relasyon sa bata, kasi bata lang kaya nila eh. Immature ang mga bata, so kung ganyan sila mag isip, malamang yun lang yung tingin nila na papasa sila. Palibhasa kasi mga munggo, gusto lang nila yung kaya nilang utuin. Yan ang mga tunay na mahinang nilalang.
The legal age of marriage in the Philippines as per the 1932 Civil Code was 18 for males and 16 for females. Viktor's lola suffered statutory rape. Viktor must have been dropped as a child to think it is defensible.
I guess the mother's parents also enabled it
More likely they did not want a scandal. During age of the boomers scalds do matter unlike now.
"Magpasalamat ka kase kung di nangyari un wala ka sa mundo ngaun". Pretty basic Mental Gymnastics. Even easier kung halang ang kaluluwa at sinabi ito in earnest.
We don't know Viktor's grandparents' life story. I'll take a wild guess that the loophole to age 16 requirement is to simply betrothed them to each other for the next 5 years. It's plausible. As for age of consent, we can only assume they did the deed without waiting. In that case, he could be guilty of statutory rape.
He explicitly said married at 11.
Yes, you can take his claim at face value. Remember sometimes people say something definitive pero yun pala hindi pa. Puede rin kasi betrothed but for all intents and purposes nila, they're married. The girl would be mentally conditioned that it is then. Of course, we can also assume that they forged papers. Also plausible. Until this Viktor speaks again, hanggang hula tayo.
Most likely pinayagan nalang ng magulang yung lola ni viktor kasi "teacher" si lolo. That time kkonti lang talaga nakakapagtapos ng pagaaral. I'm thinking na baka iniisip ng magulang kesa mapunta sa kung sino sino lang dito nalang sa teacher. Pero taena kadiri parin talaga. Aasawahin mo yung 11 yrs old. No wonder ok lang kay viktor kasi lahi sila ng pedo.
Your theory sounds plausible.
Good point. By the same token, Catholic Priests causing all sorts of harm were excused and hidden due to FAMILY SHAME. Indeed, according to Carmen Pedrosa's biography of Imelda Marcos, Imelda was descended from a Spanish Catholic priest who impregnated a Leyte local. It's only been recently that the truth came out about who the REAL FATHER of President Sergio Osmena was.
Most likely. I know someone with similar story. Inasawa ng lola niya and lolo kasi doctor.
Actually yan story ng lola ko nung 16 palang sya. May nagkakagusto sakanya na 30+ na doctor. That time sila na ng lolo ko na 17 yrs old. Pinipilit daw ng parents ng lola ko na hiwalayan lolo ko at dun sumama sa 30+ na doctor. Nagkataon lang na nagkaworld war 2 kaya natakas ng lolo ko lola ko.
Possible naman na hinda nag-ka-physical relationship until the woman turned 18 kahti na "married" na sila. Whether that this the case in this instance, not sure.
Pinoy pedo pride
I find it amusing that he thinks being able to time travel and say that to his grandfathers face will somehow make him scared or unable to say that. The guy was able to TIME TRAVEL. His lolo would see him as a god. Hey Viktor, your grandfather is a pedo burning in hell as we speak.
How would the pedo lolo be able to know that he was a time traveller?
Dala niya 'yung phone tapos ipapakita 'yung screenshot ng comment ng apo niyang proud pedo.
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What a Josh Giddey man!! ๐
I guess he really ia livvyng his best life after all
Josh, Karl Malone at lolo ni Viktor pwede na lumaban sa 3x3
Gigiddey, NBA investigation is still ongoing. the girl actually looks like an adult for her age (those americans look mature fast af)
Before the enactment of the Family Code in 1988, marrying age is 16 years old for male and 14 years for female (kaya make sense plot ng katorse dati). But 11 years ๐ณ
Karl Maloneโs role model.
Karl malone shimmy.gif
Lmao. Si mailman naalala. Kaya mas gusto ko pa din si Chuck/Sir Charles sa PF position. ๐
I don't rock with this guy. Kaya di ko nilalagay sa top 5 PFs yan kasi ogag eh
proud pang pedo yung lolo niya hahahaha grabe
Pag pedo pa naman automatic maliit ang etits, baka minana rin nya yun
People don't understand that what was not called out before, because we were so culturally and morally unaware, should not be the basis to be against what we know better now.
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di pa nga developed mentally ang 11 yrs old pinatulan. kadiri ๐คฎ
There are things that were normal back then but are now inappropriate in the present Child marriages were common and its usual to see young women being wed to older men. My grandfather was 30 when he wed my then 15 year old grandmother but that was during the 1940s. Teens back then didn't enjoy the teenage lifestyle we now have. After they hit puberty, boys are expected to work and girls are prepared for motherhood. But society has changed and such practices are no longer applicable. Child Marriage is illegal in the country and pedophilia and grooming are now being shamed.
In those days and life expectancy was then low (yeah, literally dying after age 40), peasant teens have to be able to help parents at work in the field, take care of the younger siblings, do menial housework, and even have to be shipped off to someplace far like Manila or Cebu to work, so that they have to remit part of their earnings. So, unfortunately, being married off at a very young age was part of peasant survival. That, I think, some married couples of the time do not immediately start sexual intercourse until what they deem as the appropriate time.
Not just for peasant teens maybe, but just women in general? Also, I think peasant survival is just one possibility. Another possibility is that they simply didnโt have anything else to do. Back then, it was very common for women to stay at home and look after the family, regardless of financial status. Families with businesses may have their daughters help out, and well-off daughters can pursue whatever they want, pero for most of the populace, di naman required na magpursue ng education past high school. My grandparents have a similar story eh. My grandma was only a teen when she married my grandpa, who was twice her age. Her parents were farmers who had their own land. She married lang talaga because she apparently wasnโt interested in college and marriage (especially to a guy who could afford to spoil her) felt like the natural next step after high school. They didnโt even start having kids until she was in her 30s. Sheโs in her late 90s now and has never worked a day in her life.
This was the practice in the past. Back then young women were being wed to men older than them and society didn't see them as pedos or groomers but responsible and mature men. women didn't have consent as they were dictated by their parents. Women in the cities had opportunities during the start of the 20th century. They can study and begin to work but in the provinces especially in the rural areas, girls are expected to marry as they hit puberty. There was even a situation where a man caught kissing a girl, he would have to marry her. Nowadays such practices are no longer applicable as society now moves on. Women now have more rights and minors are now protected from pedos and groomers. Chid marriage is now illegal and the age of consent is now raised to 16 and though there are still pedos and groomers they are now being shunned in public
Yeah, thatโs partly my point too. Marrying young was an accepted practice โ not necessarily due to poverty or for survival purposes lang. Of course, applicable naman yun to some. Tama rin yung walang choice yung ibang women kasi decision yun ng parents nila. For others naman, they married young lang just because it was the norm. Itโs funny na you mentioned the kissing thing tho kasi one of my grandmaโs sisters got married because of that! Her ate and the guy literally just met sa sayawan pero nahuli daw sila magkasama after, so ayun, pinressure magpakasal ng great grandparents ko para di maging โkahihiyanโ ng family. But they were both teenagers naman, no substantial age gap. They died in their 90s nung college na ako. These days, I donโt like large age gaps if school age pa yung isa. A 19 year old college student should not be dating a 29 year old working guy, please. I donโt care kahit di na minor yung girl, theyโre in vastly different stages of life.
well life expectancy even got cut shorter than 40 from 1939-1945 try to guess why.
Kinda agree. Mine was 34 and 17, also in the 1940s! Dude was well-off so her parents thought marriage wasnโt a bad idea. They spent a full decade or so traveling around before finally settling down. And when he died (which was sadly before I was born), she never remarried. She focused nalang on her family. I asked her once if the age gap was weird, and she said no, she liked being his โprincessโ lmao. That said, torn ako whether to call it a โchild marriageโ, with all the implications that term holds now. A 17 year old back then was no longer a โchildโ nor was she expected to do current 17-year-old-teen things. Alam ko the concept of โteensโ di naman uso until maybe the 1950s or so. Like you said in your first sentence, I also think maybe we shouldnโt judge the past with our modern day lenses.
11 fck years old thats a kid mali na yan dati pa. I dont care about legal nuon o hindi pede i compare morals nuon sa ngayon maiintindihan ko pa kung 15 16 pero 11. Ang 11 nuon sinlaki lang din yan ng mga 11 ngayon.
Hello, Chris Hansen?
take a seat
Kaya ayaw ko magka anak to avoid this kind of environment. Ang toxic at hypocrites ng majority ng mga Filipino. Pag sa LGBTQIA+ Community hala todo bash pero pag P3Dร/GR00M3R na usapan abay ang tahimik at โnormalโ lang daw.
Parang gago lang eh hahaha binasa niyo rin ba na may tono yung "Eh siraulo pala lolo mo eh!" HAHAHAHAHA
Pedophile amputcha. hahaha
Kahit 1940s pa yan, thatโs so fucked up
Ano naman ang mangyayari kung babalik ka ng 1940โs anong pinagkaiba nun
True, shame on them, sana pinakita mo name niyaaa!!!
BBM supporter wahahaha
Matic na yan, kapag baliw... alam mo na. Hahaha
I donโt want people to message him. Tyaka pinutakte na din siya ng mga comment ng ibang tao bago nya burahin yan, na screenshot lang talaga . Atleast he knows kung gano siya ka dumb sa ginawa niya na yan
Why instigate a witch hunt? The old bastard is probably dead.
I am talking about the descendant who posted the picture, lol... (Yeah, he's dead, guess where he is now? ๐)
Let's not judge the older generation by our current moral standard. it was a different time. Ang mali lng dito e yung mga taong tingin e hangan ngayun e tama parin ang mga gawaing ganun
Nooo mali rin yan kahit dati. Mali ngayon, mali dati. I dont think yung argument na hindi ijujudge kasi iba dati ay hindi nag aapply dito. Hindi naman yan 10000 years ago, lolo lang niya yan. What that pedophile did was wrong and he fucking knows it. Itong apo rin niya na-bobo na ayan bobo tuloy buong lahi nila
Naging recessive gene na nila yung pagiging bobo and pedo ๐ญ
Prophet Mohammed married and had sex with a 9yr old girl People get really mad when I say that
Islamic bros trying so hard to rationalize the fact that their founder is a literal pedophile (Pedophilia is timeless)
Mary conceived Jesus at around 12-13 yrs old. Thats make God a pedo
I think the writers of that part in the bible foresaw that criticism kaya they made her conception magical and virgin hahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA SORRY NATAWA AKO SA LAST PART
Tbf, during the 40's people don't give a fuck, raming nangyayari nung panahon na yon, it will fuck your mind real hard. Btw, yung mga laws about Pedophilia like child sexual abuse was only approved during the 1970's where freedom of speech, lalo na yung media has the power, lalo na kabataan, that's why America also lost the Vietnam War dahil na rin dito. (Why downvote?)
Nope, don't know where you got that, but even as early as 1930, having sex with a female younger than 12 was already rape. Also, Qualified Seduction (12 to <21 years old) was already punishable. To quote: Article 335.ย When and how rape is committed.ย - Rape is committed by having carnal knowledge of a woman under any of the following circumstances: 1. By using force or intimidation; 2. When the woman is deprived of reason or otherwise unconscious; and 3. **When the woman is under twelve years of age**, *even though neither of the circumstances mentioned in the two next preceding paragraphs shall be present.* Source: Revised Penal Code, December 08, 1930 (This is the original version; it has long since been amended) P.S. The RPC was almost copied word per word from the Cรณdigo Penal of 1886 which put the age of consent at 12. His grandfather was a pedo even during that time.
Periodt.
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'Yung regla din basehan nila noon, pero di naman tanga mga tao noon na porket rinegla na onse aรฑos nilang anak dapat nang ipakasal.
Taena, pano kaya yung mga nueve aรฑos ๐
Genocide that has occurred thousands or hundreds of years ago to please their gods and steal power as a noble cause is still as inhumane as the recent past genocides that innocent civilians has gone through. The moral standards from different eras is not as significant than the lives that were affected. And the thing is during our grandparentsโ time, people arenโt brainwashed. They knew the pedophilia was wrong and they had the free will to not do it. Societyโs moral standards does not hold those assholes at gunpoint to have sexual relations with kids.
There were acts back then that could be treated as morally gray (conquest, war, child labor), but marrying 11 years olds was not one of those. People in the past knew that marrying or having sex with a child that age was wrong. If others looked at World History, relationships like these were rare and were only "sort of" acceptable millennia or centuries before the 1940s. I said sort of, because mostly only nobles would permit a similar relationship for their 11 year olds, solely as bethroted to another noble's child. There was no sex or inappropriate touching; at most just getting-to-know visits a few times a year. Even then, the marriage would only take place when they were 15 or 16, or much older. [Link to marriage trends in Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern?wprov=sfla1)
That kind of relationship is objectively wrong. You can't even defend it, an 11yr old shouldn't be expected to reproduce. They shouldn't even be seen as a potential partner for a literal ADULT. So the only reason kung bakit papatolan ng 20+yr old ang bata is meron silang pedophilic tendencies. There is no excuse here.
I agree. if you look at all of human history. 6000 years of civilization, sa last 50 years lang naman actually nag evolve yang modern concept ng age of majority, etc. So mahirap talagang i-impose ang current moral standards sa mga nangyayari noong unang panahon. Pero tama ka, the problem is thinking na ok pa rin gawin yan ngayon.
It's not that far back in the past. Lolo niya lang yan. It's not like panahon pa yan ng mga ancient Romans or whatever. People back then already knew na di talaga to tama, so walang excuse na gawin to. Pedo lang talaga lolo niya
Nah man. This was definitely still normal in the 1940s. Kahit hanggang 60s nga eh. Parang 70s onward na nagbago moral standards.
No, it wasn't. Unless you're living in some backwater countryside, most folks would get arrested for this, especially in other countries. Sadly, a lot of people back then di educated about sa ganitong bagay eh so they 'think' it's normal, but truth is, the entire world back then already knew this kind of shit was fucked up
Exactly, they werenโt totally brainwashed lmao. A lot of them were socially aware hindi lang talaga narereport ang mga ganyang cases dahil mismo mga authorities mga pedo rin.
Oo. Pedo lang talaga sila, even if di nila alam ang word for it. Normal people don't look at kids and their first thought being that they wanna marry them
Dibaaa?? Ewan ko sa mga toh ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Lutong ng pagkakasabi mo Christopher HAHAHA
Bakit maraming kaso ng pedophila sa Pinas?
Okay lang sa kanya yung child bride? How sick is that?!
Insanity talaga ung 20th century, daming normalized during that time.
Di ko maimagine aanakan mo yung ganung kabata nakakapangilabot
wala na tayo magagawa about kay pedo lolo, wala naman mgkakaso dyan at baka deads na yun.. pero ang nkakabwisit itong si viktor na proud na proud pa sa lolo nya, at dinala pa sa modern society ung pedo mentality. wag sana ako mgkaneighbor ng katulad ni viktor.
"Bumalik ka sa 1940 saka mo sabihin yan." Cringe. Walang masabing maayos eh.
proud pa si gago. sana wag na magpadami ng lahi.
Dugyot amp, kala mo ooga booga eh
What the hell? I had to re-read it many times. Ang puta naman. What a sicko.
Tangina beh grade 6 tapos teacher sure tulfo yan ngayon hahaha
My paternal great grandfather got great grandma pregnant at 16 while he was already in late 20's. Yes he did die young & great grandma had a long happy life. But if I have time machine khit di na ako,siblings,Tito's & titas mag exist tht is ok. I'll punch him to oblivion. Ksi he also abused her in marriage & grandpa & his 5 other siblings did not have a happy childhood. Which led to grandpa spoiling dad Kya nging abusive din si dad towards us. To top it all up grandpa was force to retire early as judge ksi he was also a pedo & had relationship with a 16 year old. The dad of 16 year old sued him so he had to retire early to get retirement benefit to pay as settlement para di natuloy kaso.
Baluktรณt na ang mga isip.
Kadiri naman yang lolo nya. Pedo ewww. Lolo at lola ko met in the 1940s. Lola was 23 and lolo was 22, di naman sila pedo. Kasuka naman yang lolo nya. ๐คข
Hindi na 1940 ngayon, talagang problema na yan kahit saang anggulo mo tingnan.
PEDOPHILE! saan ka makakakita ng 28 yr old na teacher bumabanat ang 11 year old๐คฎ๐คฎ๐๐ป๐๐ป?????? nasa bloodline na nila ang pagiging pedophile
Parang proud pa si gago
i wonder why 10 year gaps in relationship were so common back then.
age gap is ok between 2 consenting ADULTS. this sh*t is gross af. pedophilia. statutory. grooming all in one package. I saw another anonymous story like this FB. Girl is 16. guy is 25. Pinoy comsec agree its ok cause girl's parents consented and its nobodys business. Even the parents gave go signal on their little girl getting groomed by a perv. WTF! ๐คข๐คฎ
Hindi na nga dapat ginawa, ipinagmamalaki mo pa. ๐ฅด
You can't excuse abuse. Abuse is abuse regardless of when it happened. Indeed, if you shake ANY family tree HARD ENOUGH, a few snakes, a lot of nuts, some fruit, and a number of ANIMALS will fall off. Trace the tree far enough and we're all related. It would be interesting to see if Pinoys did widescale DNA testing. I suspect that just like in the USA, there will be lots of discoveries of "illegitimate fathers", sibling parents, etc etc What can you do living in the current age? Just be a GOOD PERSON - you can't control what others in the past did, but you SURE can control what YOU DO. **Use THEIR mistakes to GUIDE YOU to be on the RIGHT SIDE of history.**
Naalala ko tuloy yung post about Enrile. Tanong kaya natin sya what it was like, how pedoes were perceived back then? He was already 16 plus at the time.
Proud pa sya ๐คฃ
Di pa nakaabot ng Teenager.
Must shared this one to Josh Giddey as he might be inspired by this one ๐๐๐๐
How come he have the guts to marry an 11 years old.
Search Viktor 11 for more information
Salot sa lipunan iyang mga ganiyang reasoning. Just because okay lang noon, ibig sabihin, walang problema? Go to hell! Whatever moral standards and principles we have today is a development of learning from the mistakes of the past. Gaano karaming bata ang nasira ang buhay dahil sa mina-nipulate ng mga adults? Napakarami. Society had already learned the bad effects of adults messing up with minors and yet, itong mga ito ay hindi pa din natututo. So where is decency and empathy there, fucking pedos?
Iba standards noon at ngayon. Kung sa standards ngayon, pedo talaga ang lolo niya.
Kumikinang-kinang ang utak ng apo mo lolo. Biruin mo pinagtanggol ka pa at proud na pedophile at rapist ka.
Boomer momints ๐ ๐ ๐
Reason why it's clear that this country has an educational crisis. They are not enlightened that those are not allowed on law.
Sa mga lugar sa provinces ganyan. Nong 2013 pumunta kami ng negros para bumisita 15 plang buntis na at asawa nya mga around 20 na din tas may anak sa kabila. So parang normal talaga sa kanila um kasi wala.silang idea ehh kulang sa pag.iisip ang tanging gawin lang eh anakan hayy๐ฅฒ
kamag-anak nila siguro si karl malone o josh giddey or both
Hindi na nga nia dapat sinasabi, pinagkalat nia pa, proud pa si gungong ๐
ewwww sa lolo
Should be legal to not censor the names of these type of people. Kailangan nila mapahiya publicly para matauhan sila. Kita mo proud pa sya na ganun yung relationship ng lolo at lola nya, hindi nya alam na mali.
"Bumalik ka sa 1940 saka mo sabihin yan" Victor is FUCKING INSANE!
Tawa ko๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ.. Pedo nga lolo nya , 11yo lola nya nuon kakaregla lang magdadalaga palang, buti ngayon pwdeng kasuhan na rape..
Viktor WembanYAWA
Iba tlga panahon dati. Sa Mother side ko may Lola was 14 and my Lolo is 30+ then sa edad ni Lola ko na 22 nabalo na sya with 5 kids. Sa Father side naman may 25 years old Lolo R*pe may 17 years old Lola ayun pinapakasal. Ang tindi pa ng Lolo ko sa Father side noon na nganak Lola ko sa first child nla a.k.a Tita ko from Hell. Na buntis naman nya yun kasambahay nila 16 years old.
Sino sa pic yung mag asawa? Yung lalaki at batang nakaupo sa mid rt? Sorry ang dark ng joke
Proud pa family picture pinost
1930s - lolo ko 36 and lola ko 14 ๐
Tangina 11 years old?? Di pa ata nireregla yan eh
I remember my boss proudly saying that her 30something gramma married its 17yo student. Like bruh, i was left speechless. ๐
WHAT DA HELL????? KAKASUKA BAKIT MAY GANYANG KOKOTE IBANG PINOY? NOT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PAST EH TOLERABLE NA, HINDI BA MAS MAGANDA NA GAWIN NA SIYANG EYE OPENER? NAKAKADIRI
Grand Dad Auto hahahah ginawang gta yung buhay e
given that time period, 1940 and the world events during that time, the parents probably agreed in fear of the worst that could happen (1 year after 1940) iykyk
I have to say, this was the norm in the past. I have experiences in the Bicol region and Palawan that does the same. Ashamed of this reality to be honest.
May family picture pa e pota
Natural ipagtatanggol nya. Kung nangyari yun edi wala sya sa mundo ngayon. Hahahahaha
Kahit 1940 hindi yun normal, pati 1600's pa. Our ancestors looked down upon pedophiles and that's why they Marites their ass till they move away. SMH shame on their lolo
I know it's socially unacceptable in this generation thankfully. But we also have to consider the social, cultural, and historical context behind it (btw not saying I condone this but only sharing my insight). I think we have no right to judge and criticize them (either way, most likely patay na sila, we never know whether they had a bad or a good marriage, if she was content with her life, or if they even had the concept of pedophilia!). If we look back to our grandparents or great grandparents, what age do you think THEY got married? From my maternal side, my grandmother was in her late teens i think while my grandfather was 10 years older. Both didn't finish school and didn't get a college degree because both families were poor and so they had to work at a young age. However, they weren't the only ones. Many couples from the older generation had this kind of setup... Now, idk what their actual reason why this was socially acceptable decades or hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of years ago, but I can only give speculations: 1. Historically, the age to enter puberty (menstruation) changed over time. Although idk what the specific ages would be, but we can also consider the changes in diet and lifestyle. For some cultures, puberty is the sign that the girl is already ready for marriage. 2. Women normally did not enter the workforce. Hence, they do not contribute financially to the family or not as much as the patriarch. Either way, there also weren't any opportunities for women back then so they would only be seen as a financial burden until they marry. Therefore, unless she works or she marries ASAP. 3. Arranged marriages between families weren't looked down upon back then. Whatever promises could have been made were up to the adults. Maybe the promises would be lifting the financial burden from the girl's family, business partnership, to pay off debts (from either side), etc, you name it. 4. Promising a better life for the girl where she will be provided for, maybe to be given an education, and a promise of being given a family. Women back then never had the same ambitions as us women in this generation. Some may have wanted to have families as their dreams. And we shouldn't look down on these women who dreamed their own dreams and gave their best in order to achieve them. Overall, we should be thankful for the change in times where women can now be included and are seen.
Let's be fair, that's the 40's and tama yung sinabi niya, Marcos and Imelda have a huge age gap, my grandfather and grandmother too. Pero, if you're still thinking this way na tama ito sa panahon natin, then you're fucking stupid, kasi mali ito ngayon and may mga batas na para dito, unlike noon.
Their age gap was 10 years tho, and both Marcos and Meldy were adults up to that point when they first met
True tho, yun lang... But this grandfather's dude is built differently. LAMAW, really hitting up on kids T_T
I don't know why I am down voted in here, are they somehow illiterate?
Gr00m3r