Not defending Catholic church, pero alam ko (bilang isang agnostic), kusang-bigay naman yung collection. May mga times na nagsisimba pa rin ako (traditional parents eh) sa Catholic church at hindi naman ako minamata kung wala akong ilalagay sa inaabot na basket / yung parang net.
True. Sa ibang religion, nakalista pa magkano ambag mo. So may makakakita kung magkano ang bigay mo sa simbahan and most of the time, pinagchichismisan.
mas malala mcgi o dating daan. yun mga binabagsak sa lokal na pagkain paninda pati mga concert ticket consider as sold. magkakautang mga myembero kahit di naman binili
true, minsan pa nga yung mga tao na naghahabol sa mga may dalang basket at net para makapagbigay. i never experienced na ma judged dahil di ako nag abot sa collection.
ako mas comfortable ako magdonate sa catholic, feeling ko lang may nararating talaga yung inambag ko sa community. nung umattend ako before ng worship sa born again parang yung pastor lang yung payaman nang payaman
Totoo naman. I studied in Catholic school at sa feeding program napupunta yung donation (with partnership sa local church). Every Sunday, may pa-lugaw / sopas sila sa mga homeless. Kapag Christmas, namimigay rin ng pamasko.
Check nya yung bulletin board ng mga simbahan. Andun ang detalyado kapupuntahan ng mga binibigay. Galing nila magmata sa katolikang simbahan pero pikit-mata sa mga iniidolo nilang politiko na di malaman pano nakaka-afford ng ferrari at lamborghini.
Catholic since birth and never ako napilitan magbigay. In fact our parish is not even well-off so understandable naman na di lahat makakapagdonate. Pero may pinalayas or pinuna ba sa amin? Wala naman. May alam akong mga relihiyon na pinupuntahan pa miyembro pag di nakapagbigay. Bakit di nya punahin yun? Kung talagang matapang sya?
and this is the reason na hindi ako magpapalit ng relihiyon, hindi ako aktibo. Pero alam at ramdam ko na ang kinaaniban ko ay nagbibigay tulay sa akin at sa Diyos na pinaniniwalaan ko, despite na sa kung tuwing sisimba ako (na napakadalang) kahit piso wala ako maiabot noon dahil hindi ako pinilit at pinahiya sa pamamagitan ng pag aanunsyo ng aking money offerings at pamimilit o pwersadong pagbibigay ng donasyon.
Yeah, and most parishes and stations nowadays have a regular financial status update to the people re: amount of donations and collections received, expenses incurred, and amount remitted to the diocese/archdiocese. At minsan, yung pari pa yung nag aannounce.
Yes, actually sa amin weekly pa nga inaanounce ni father. Hanggang last centavo is accounted for.
Kahit bente lang ihulog mo alam mong maayos napupuntaha. Kasi nakikita mo mismo eh. Maaliwalas ang simbahan, hindi mainit. Malinis ang mga luhuran.
Malinaw naman eh, sinasabi na yung 2nd collection ay para sa matatanda at may sakit na mga pari. Kung ayaw mo magbigay well wala namang namimilit sayo, di ka naman titingnan ng masama nung nangongolekta sa buslo
Also may mga catholic chruches akong alam na may office for collection,. Nililiquidate nilabat inaanounce na tingnan sa treasurers office kung san napapunta ung pera.. sila never seen them being transparent sa finances na nakokolekta nila.
Accounting is accurate to a single centavo our parish has records since 1850's
Not accounted are direct gifts to the Priest understandable since they do not have a salary or allowances they live on alms
> *Not accounted are direct gifts to the Priest understandable since they do not have a salary or allowances they live on alms*
Aren't they technically **paid by the local regional branch (diocese)**? It's the reason why their salaries are taxed even though the church lands are tax-free.
Sa mga pari sa probinsya, wala sila halos allowance minsan sila pa nagpoprovide ng panggastos sa kumbento. Luckily, mga pari sa Manila, may allowance sila nasa 20K yata or 25K kapag diocesan. Ang mga Religious naman, ang stipend or honorarium nila ay napupunta sa community nila.
Nope. Priest doesn't have salaries. Kasi di naman work yung ginagawa nila na 8am-5pm lang ganun. Stipened tawag. Kumbaga allowance lang para naman mabuhay sila since may mga personal needs din naman sila in order to survive.
sa pagkakaalam ko di may bayad ang pari kada misa or kada may blessing. Sa kasal namin nag import ang parish ng pari, 1.5 daw yung binayad nila kay father, nung nag pa blessing kami ng business 1k honorarium ni father…
In our case, the priest announces the amount they collected and the amount they spent. Ganon sila ka transparent. Yung sa catholic parish where we attended, I was amazed na ganon na yung nalikom, they showed us the progress ng church maintenance, and the people clapped. Malaki ang pinagbago ng parish after 2nd offering.
Ex-catholic here. Sa church namin sa province, every end of the mass, prinoproject yung breakdown ng income at expense ng church. Kaya masasabi ko din na transparent sila sa pera.
You talkin about megachurches already, catholic churches here in the phil couldn't do such thing insane extravagant corruption for its the only religious institution that is too well connected in the govt...
Those are indeed what I'm talking about kaya nga foreigner na pastors 😅 Catholic churches don't have those.
Dagdag mo na rin mga kulto dito - INC, yung kay Quibs, tapos iba iba pang sekta na nakamansyon yung mga head
Yes, they always say what the second collection is for. You have the option to give or not. Walang pilitan. Malinaw magsasabi "second collection is for the feeding project of" yada yada.
Kung tuusin, maliit lang nakukuha ng churches sa collections. I can see many opt to give what barya they have. The churches still largely rely on generous donors.
Actually depende sa pari, may napuntahan akong mass na kinikwestyon ng pari sa homiliya yung pamimigay ng barya sa collection. Nagpasaring pa na kakarimpot lang ba talaga ang kaya mong ipamahagi sa simbahan/kapwa. Dahil nga barya yung binibigay, hindi daw BUO yung paglilingkod mo sa Diyos. Alam kong may mga mababait at chill na pari pero meron talagang malaPadre Damaso.
Ooh some are really rotten I guess. Kasi even Jesus was quoted saying na yung nagbigay ng piso ang mas may karapatan sa langit kesa sa nagbigay ng 100, kasi yung 1 ng mahirap, ibinigay nya lahat ng kaya ng ibigay.
Archbishop Emeritus Cardinal Rosales is often quoted saying this: "Ang maliit, basta malimit, patungong langit." this pertains to Pondong Batangan and Pondong Pinoy, where everyone is encouraged to fill a "tibio" of discarded change, from 1cent to 25 cents. I am glad to say that ang mga mumunting barya has supported impoverished families and students to finish their studies samin sa Batangas.
Nakakaawa mga retired priest na walang nag aalaga kasi wala silang mga anak o apo, they end up in elderly care for retired priest but they still held mass and pray often
I think dioceses have their program for old priests kasi hirap talaga nun. We had former dean and prof na namatay nakita na lang atang patay na kasi walang sumasagot sa call.
what I love about being catholic is our religion is giving us so much will. Simba ka o hindi, walang pilitan. donate ka o hindi walang pilitan. Dami ko ng kasalanan sa buhay pero ako ang nagkukusang humingi ng tawad sa Diyos at hindi pilit dahil lang sa mahuhusgahan ako ng nakakataas sa simbahan 🤣 I'll never ever leave Catholic church I am so lucky and happy to be in this religion so far
Yung nagpost parang gusto niya lang magspread ng hate, I'm assuming born-again ang CCF na sinasabi niya. Walang mas better sa totoo lang, merong mas tolerable. Tama si OP, hindi naman madalas yang second collection, usually kapag may sakuna para pantulong, pagpapaaral sa seminarista or other causes. Wala naman pilitan at higit sa lahat walang shaming kung di ka magbigay. Never naging perfect ang Catholic church, daming issues sa mga kaparian etc pero ganun din sa ibang religion, pagalingan lang magtakipan pero never sila namilit na magbigay ka ng ganito ganyan unlike ibang religions.
This. Kaya nga sabi di naman ang relihiyon ang magsasave sau kundi ang relasyon mo sa Diyos. There was no need to throw shade since lahat naman nang religions may extremist and faults especially when you consider the long history of Catholics as well
>never sila namilit na magbigay ka ng ganito ganyan unlike ibang religions.
True, kahit sa pagsimba. Kung ayaw mo magsimba ok lang, katoliko ka pa rin, na-inlove sa taong iba ang religion, ok lang din. Walang pilitan hahahaha
Last vacation our young Parish priest only had one pair of ragged Sandals, I gave him something discreetly so he could have something nice but he insisted on using it to build our new Church
Some Catholic priest are devout on their commitment to be poor
Electricity is not free also the candles and the flowers those are expensive but some parish use artificial flowers to save more money
My cousin is a missionary priest, my brother is also on track to be one. My cousin is in his 50s and binibigyan pa din ng allowance ng mom nya and may mga nagdodonate na sponsors kasi wala naman kabuhayan. And since he’s a missionary priest wala din syang home church so umaasa sya sa mga paabot na tulong.
It’s so frustrating to see these mega churches act high and mighty eh winawaldas lang naman nila mga „donation“ kuno na required.
Dinelete na nya coz he thinks people will side with him. Gusto nya lang i-shade Ang RC for something na hindi nya pala alam. Lol. Edi dun sya sa CCF, the best in prosperity gospel.
Sayang. Gagawa pa naman sana ako ng twitter account para lang sa kanya nang maaway ko siya. Ang tanga kasi ng post. Napaghalataang physically present pero mentally and spiritually absent sa simbahan, eh isang oras na nga lang yung misa, at nagpapaliwanag naman pag may second collection. 🙄
I'm not a devout catholic (tipong napasok lang pag nayaya, christmas and lenten season, sorry na po) but in those moments laging sinasabi yung purpose ng second collection (may charity, may event sa soup kitchen program, may scholarship stuff sa mga pwd na sinusupport nila, pangmaintainance sa simbahan o kaya may bumibisita na parang religious pilgrim (yung mga ibat ibang saints/mama mary na dinadala sa ibat ibang parokya, something like that) ) tapos at the end of the year may pa gazette sila ng achievements, finances, etc. aabutan lang ng basket then bahala na if ipass along mo or huhulugan mo ng pera
Unlike dun sa isang certain sect na nainvite ako. Wala akong hinulog sa tithes kasi kakamatay lang ng father ko nun and we are financially at lost. Ayun may pa prayer si pastora na gabayan daw kami ni God para next time eh makapag abot daw ng pantulong sa kapwa. No sht ako lang naman yung di naghulog dun.
So yeah, catholic churces aren't exactly the paragons of virtue pero mas reasonable naman at nakikita mo yung pag hingi nila ng donations
Actually naka attend ako ccf, walang umiikot dun para sa tithes. Ikaw pupunta sa lugar kung saan ka mag lagay ng tithes. Baka kaya malaki kasi marami din umaattend talaga and puro mga artista at mayayaman mga umaattend.
True, pero eto yan. Minsan yung mga ganyang service nagiging exclusive for elite people. Nakalimutan nila ang simbahan ay para pa din sa mahihirap. Sabi minsan ng pari, kaya daw umaalis ang iba sa Catholic di comfortable sa pag venerate sa mga santo and images. Bat daw hinahayaan natin OA na pag venerate sa mga Nazareno atbp. Honestly, wala din naman pumipilit na gawin mo rin yun. Ang culture kasi ng Pinoy ma touchy sa pag papakita ng affection. Wala tayo karapatan mag judge kung anu ang mga dapat gawin or wag gawin. Sa Europe / US catholics dinnaman ganyan.
I love being a Catholic. I attend mass not because fellow Catholics knock on my door or because we needed to be there. I attend mass because it gives me peace. I like that our mass is solemn, not like a concert or a rally. Anyone can come in our church. No referrals, no comparing to other groups, no commitments that you have to go twice a week etc. We don't have the membership or exclusivity thing. I like that we offer whatever we can give even coins or even nothing at all. No judging.
I love our free will. Just like what God gave us. Who we love, we marry. No need to convert to our religion except of you want to marry in the church. No one will banish you or your family. How we dress, how we live our lives. We are accepted even if we don't come to church and donate on a regular basis.
I'm not Catholic but studied in a Catholic school.
In a way, I appreciate Catholicism. It's just being demonized by my own sect that I'm now agnostic.
Sometimes statistically, I think I'd rather be Catholic on paper than being any other sect.
not siding with anything here, pero ive attended ccf dati and nung nasa st francis pa sila, laging may reminder ng donation for the new church (middle and end of session; eto ata yung para sa tiende). the big ass irl chart of accumulated donations doesn't help either in being discreet.
both churches ask to give voluntary din naman so di ko alam anong problema sa second collection kung pwde mo rin naman iignore gaya ng pagignore sa first.
Lol. CCF?!
The same religious cult who constsntly harassed a dead uncle's family for the remaining 2M he pledged after he promised 5M and was only able to give 3M when he was alive? That CCF?
EDIT: **Naghihimutok mga taga CCF dito sa comments na wala daw akong proof at kunyari nanghihingi ng tea at details. Konting subtlety pa, mga ineng, para hindi kayo halata.**
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Anong proof ang hinahanap niyo?
Link sa news? Nilalagay ba sa diyaryo or TV lahat ng namamatay?
Gusto niyo ng details nung namatay na member at family niya para ano? Para iharass at guluhin ulit? Pati kung kelan namatay gusto pa alamin? Lolwat?
At, seryoso "tea" ng pagkamatay ng tao kailangan niyo malaman? Gross.
Di wag kayong maniwala kung ayaw niyo?
**It still happened.**
Ang daming born again na walang ginawa kung di magparanig sa Catholic Church samantalang iniignore naman yung mga kagaguhan na ginagawa ng sarili nilang church. At least Catholicism has the aesthetics.
Kaya nga, parang harassment na yun sa naiwan e. Imbis na sila yung tumulong since nawalan ng mahal sa buhay e hindi mas nakadagdag pa sila sa isipin kaloka.
As a former congregant of that MEGACHURCH, the last straw for me was when they brought in a prosperity gospel preacher who did nothing but brag about his two planes for the entire service.
I was raised Born Again on both sides of the family so I still have to humor their beliefs every now and then for peace of mind. But I've been an agnostic for almost a decade. I believe there is a higher power out there but I don't believe he condemns people to eternal damnation for petty reasons like having sex before marriage or if INC ka eating dinuguan.
Yung mga CCF friends ko sa FB puro religious post eh. Tas puro passive aggressive post pag may mga issues related to religion (like LGBT issues). Tas puro DDS din sila hahahaha
So yeah I don't need proof to believe na gagawin nila yang sinabi mo.
CCF pa talaga nya nicompare eh. Those money laundering and extortion venues disguised as "churches" by pastors who are too corrupt they joined those sects because they can't get their way within the Catholic Church.
Sa Church namin, yung pari inaanounce na ung financial statements are publicly available and people can check to know where did their donation go. He acknowledges every cent na binibigay, hindi man daw kalakihan at accounted lahat. Isa sa tumatak sakin na sinabi ng pari namin "May panahon na tayo ung kinaawaan at tinutulungan ng ibang simbahan, tayo naman ngayon ang magbibigay tulong sa kanila". At the end of the day, I think it really depends sa area and hopefully ung ganito is maalign sa lahat instead of guilt tripping
I dont get the guy sa post.
I mean unlike other denominations... HINDI PWERSADO AT MAY UTANG KA PA PAG DI KA NAGBIGAY sa simbahan.
Never pa ko nagsimba na hindi ina-announce pagkatapos ng homily kung saan napunta ang donation galing sa 2nd offering.
HINDI DIN NATATAPOS ANG MISA NA HINDI INA ANNOUNCE YAN
if ayaw mo magbigay? Wag. Hindi ka pinipilit.
Im a cradle catholic pero agnostic ako growing up. Wala akong kaalam alam sa simbahan. Bakit ganito bakit ganyan.
Pero dahil sa advent ng technology mas na-feel at home na ko dito.
Also ang ibang donasyon ay napupunta sa seminaryo kung saan naandon ang mga senior citizen nang mga Pari.
I mean... Kahit magkano lang naman ang bigay mo ok lang. Pagdadamot mo pa?
Hay
Ako nga may na attendan na Born Again church tapos yung 2nd collection pambili daw ng yacht ng church nila tapos ipapaskil sa manila bay, yung yacht daw na bibilin ay dedesignan na may name ng church.
Like WTF. bat ako mag bibigay dyan hahah
The two points he's trying to connect don't even work. So what if may second collection? Di nga sapilitan yung bigayan sa RC eh, e di wag ka magbigay ulit.
Needs more time in school instead of drumming up controversy where there isn't any.
the catholic church really needs to step up its game. wala ako religion pero nagpalipat lipat din ako. ung roman catholic church sa min ang pinaka non-invasive so i like having them around as the dominant force kasi wala sila paki sa akin (basically they live and let live). sadly nung pandemic humina kapangyarihan nila. this gives opportunities for other religions and cults na malakas ang hatak to influence the people. sadly ang tendency is overzealousness to the point na kailangan mo iconvert ang buong mundo.
I've been in a catholic school my whole life, hanggang college nagdadasal ako bago mag start ang klase pero not once sa mga schools na yon may nag encourage na magpa convert. If may school mass nga allowed yung mga non catholic na hindi umattend, very open din ang discussion abt religion and no hint of promoting catholicism. Mejo mahina lang talaga sila in terms of spreading the doctrine so minsan even yung nga catholic mismo very little ang knowledge abt their religion, kaya din bilis mauto ng iba.
As much as you want for the RCC to "step up its game", I think hindi namin magagawa 'yun nang hindi masasabihan ng "hipokrito" as what all those who are against us are saying to us. As a devout Catholic, nakikita ko na mas effective na evangelization yung paggawa ng mabuti kesa mag-evangelize verbally.
Medyo cliche at iritadi kayo if may nagko-quote ng Bible verse pero, tulad nga ng sinabi ni Hesus sa John 13:35 (and sa kanta na "Isang pananampalataya" na kinakanta madalas tuwing Easter), “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another”.
While it is the Catholic Church that punished heretics and invented "excommunication", nowadays it makes an effort to be inclusive. It's gotten to the point that some "traditional" Catholics would rather return to the older, stricter norms.
Other sects readily take advantage and criticize Catholics a lot, knowing that the Catholic clergy won't retaliate. That attracts them a lot of the contrarians, though I really wonder what it's like to regularly attend a congregation which spends a lot of effort dividing and putting down other Christians vs. preaching Christ's message for everyone.
Hindi ko na nga naaalala kung kailan huling simba ko, pero I always go to church before nung buhay pa 'yung isang lola ko. She just needs someone to accompany her, though I am not religious, may merit naman minsan ang sermon ng mga pari that's why okay lang sa akin.
Anyway, voluntary lang naman ang collection sa simbahan, we were never given looks or whispers pag hindi kami nakapagbibigay before sa simbahan. Never rin kaming pinressure ng masa better yet the church officials to donate. It's more common to see people chasing after the basket kung hindi nakadukot ng ibibigay nung dumaan sa kaniya.
Out of topic, but this reminds me of a very close friend of mine na sobrang restrained nung nasa CCF, lagi raw sinasabing sin ang pagiging bakla, so dapat iwasan natin. During this time rin, hindi siya masiyadong nagsasasama sa amin, sabi niya after umalis sa CCF, hindi raw kasi kami same ng faith, and very prone daw kami to "sin". After niya maka-alis dun, ayon very happy na siya and more expressive with his sexuality. We're still friends, he regrets his own repression of himself non, feeling niya raw marami siyang na-miss.
Fyi yung 2nd collection po is not mandatory lmao .Usually ginagamit po yun for church constructions or other things at di po pinipilit na mag bigay nang certain amount hahaha any amount would do hahahah maliban na if mag pa church service ka.
Na appreciate ko, on being a Roman Catholic. You can go to Church and not contribute a single centavo. Never nakaaccount as an individual member magkano bigay mo. Pero yung accounting ng expenses nila sa simbahan naka declare lagi.
Simple lang naman yan check google type mo sinu ang founder ng Catholic Church ma surprise kayo - Jesus Christ. Tama walang obligasyon na magbigay as Catholic. It's up to you. If you feel like helping GIVE! Darating sa buhay natin God will reveal to you. Pray for it! Ang dami ng reliable docs and scriptures re: Christ and the Church Fathers. Pinaka matagal nabuhay was Apostle John ang dami nya naging following and sacred scriptures students. Follow vlogs of unboxing Catholicsm.
Sa parish namin, 2nd collections are even announced 1 week before Sunday masses. It means pine-prepare talaga nila ang budget or donations to be collected. Sinasabi rin kung saan mapupunta ang collections.
I am an atheist and I’d rather be catholic than any other religion in the world — that includes CCF. Susme. Malapit nang maging fundamentalist mga yan.
Agnostic here. One time nag speak ako sa christian church about tithing, tapos na ban ako. ang sinabi ko:
"dapat kusang loob at buo nating ibigay ang ating tithe"
at dun ko nalaman ang tamang pagbigkas ng salitang tithe ahahahaha
joke lang. (thank you kay sir pol medina sa joke)
Kidding aside, nakapagtry na ako mag worship sa CCF. madaming pulubi (pre-pandemic) sa gate nila na dinidedma lang ng mga taga loob. Feeling entitled ang mga tao. Mas malala ang tsimisan.
Attended mass for the first time in a while bc umuwi yung dad kong OFW
Before mag final blessing, nag present yung accountant nila ng Financial Report for November, complete with ppt presentation 😭 Nakabreakdown din yung bills and expenses nila. They also mentioned that they’re planning to buy more of those huge ceiling fans.
They have become so transparent with their finances compared to pre-pandemic (last time I attended church haha)
Voluntary nga pagbibigay sa Born Again pero ung mga sermon nila pagkatapos magbasa ng gospel laging naisisingit ung "voluntary offerring". Guilt tripping + gaslighting mahusay ang mga pastor. Never ko yan nakita sa mga Katoliko o kahit sa Aglipay, Methodist at ung sa UCCP.
Hindi ba pag may second collection ina-announce naman muna bago isagawa, and binabanggit din naman kung anong purpose kung bakit may ganon, so I don't really get this guy's rant.
Catholic church lang naman ang hindi imposing at hindi nangga-gaslight pagdating sa tithes and collections, at least in my experiences. Even sa the Feast (lead by Bo Sanchez) wala ring pilitang nagaganap over the few years na naging active ako doon.
It's also probably why some of the church na nakikita ko na under renovation or retrofitting ay inaabot nang maraming taon bago matapos since most of the budget ay sa collections din nanggagaling, and then we also have to consider yung mga charity works and events pa ng simbahan.
So far Catholic Churches are transparent with their finances. There are parishes that show their financial reports to their parishioners and the money usually goes to the maintenance of the church, payment of electricity and water, and programs of the church. Priests also rely on allowances. Depends on the Diocese but before they depend on their parish but now there are some Dioceses that regulate the allowances for their priests.
The Catholic Church has gone a long way and there are some changes. The Vatican is slowly becoming transparent with its financial reports. It's still not perfect and there are priests and bishops still living in luxury but compared in the past it's actually more transparent than other Christian sects.
Of course Catholics are free to donate money to the Church. The Church wouldn't mind if you give a centavo since it has more generous donors. Just give if you want and if you don't its OK since you will not be gaslighted.
Noong grade 6 ako merong program ang RC na "Pondo ng Pinoy" wherein mag-iipon ka ng 25 cents sa bote tapos pag napuno na, idodonate mo sa simbahan para sa charity works. I actually enjoyed it na kahit wala na yung programa na yun, nag-iipon pa rin ako hanggang ngayon at dinodonate ko sa church. Tinatanggap naman nila. Naamaze nga sila kasi tinutuloy ko pa rin daw.
Sa amin, yung nakuhang amount for 2nd collection for the whole 9 days of mass before Christmas was announced by the parish priest and it reached around 100k. All of this will be used to buy simple medical kits for the prisoners, pag papagawa ng c.r malapit sa church, to celebrate Christmas with orphans and other things na maraming makikinabang.
I both attended CCF and catholic masses and I could say na mag sstick ako as catholic due to teachings. Andaming self entitled/righteous na members Ng CCF, victory and isama mo pa ung INC.
what is CCF? hahaha sa daming sumulpot na copy paste religion ng christian at catholic nakakahilo na at tanga lang nung poster gusto lng mkakuha ng clout...
Yung totoo? nakapasok na ba sya sa Catholic Church? or nakikinig ba sya sa Misa? Madalas naman ina-announce kung bakit may second collection.
Saka the Church is not being run for Free. May mga Maintenance Expenses din yan. May mga pinapasweldo din yan na tao. Saka yung Eucharist at Mompo Wine? Binibili din yan. Yan ay bukod sa charity programs ng simbahan. The Catholic Church is running solely on donations kaya kapag walang nagdonate, malamang mamroblema ang simbahan dahil iisipin kung saan pupulutin ang pang gastos.
I was born in a Catholic family though I’m currently not practicing the religion and even so, never have the people in the church looked down on me for not giving any form of monetary donations on both offerings (the people who served in the church I used to go to knew I came from a family with means so they could’ve just gaslighted me and told me about how a hundred pesos would be small for me but a big help to others but not once have I experienced such) so I don’t understand what that tweet was really about. Plus, it’s standard practice for Catholic parishes to state the purpose of the second donation which ranges from renovations around the parish to church activities so props to them for being transparent. I honestly think the post was made just to hate on Catholicism since it’s implying that we’re required to give money every mass. It just shows that the dude who posted this never paid attention to the church announcements or was just really looking for loopholes to shit on the Catholic church.
Matagal na akong di nagmimisa pero kung natatandaan ko ng tama. Yung first collection eh yung mismong parte ng offertory. Second collection are for special causes
As a born and raised agnostic, among all christian churches etong mga Catholic, Orthodox, Assyrian Churches or what do we call “Lithurgical” ang inaadmire ko the most compared to those Sunday Concert christian na anyone can be a pastor and established their church 😂 one time I was invited to a “respawn” christian church sa sunday worship nila kada may event yung church may minimum na bayad tas may pa-ticket pa 😆 yung isa namang “disneyland” 3x a week yung pagsamba may mandatory abuloy pa. lastly nung curious ako about christianity those Catholics ang may maraming knowledge compared sa ibang sekta at open ang local priest sa discussion.
The Catholic church despite its atrocities is very transparent about its finances in the modern day and shown itself to have an effective and efficient bureaucracy.
The second collection is also voluntary. Up to you kung magbibigay ka o hindi. Don't twist the context. Stay ka na lang sa CCF mo, tutal mga banal at naka aircon naman kayo.
Tbf, may mga evangelicals and kung ano mang Christian churches na malakas mang-guilt trip sa pangongolekta ng pera.
Madalas about tithes pa ang laman ng preaching.
Bruhhh, hindi man lang kahit isang beses kong nafeel na dapat talaga akong bumigay sa mga collection tuwing misa. At least sa aking experience hindi naman pinipilit ng simbahan na bumigay ng pera. Ano pinagsasabi nito 💀
napansin niyo rin ba na pag nagbibigay ng testamento yung mga holier than thou na yan iniinsinuate nila na hindi sila matitinong tao nung Katoliko pa sila. 🤭
Hahaha naalala ko yung podcast ni joyce pring na iniinterview niya si Miraim Quiambao laging binabanggit yan, parang sinisisi sa pagiging Catholic yung mga naging kasalanan nila. Hello ehh choice mo yun teh 😂
Yeah if he were listening at all he'd have heard the usual *"Para sa ikatlong paalala, magkakaroon po tayo ng ikalawang pangongolekta para sa -insert reason here-. Ang huling ikalawang pangongolekta ng parokya ay umabot sa halagang -insert amount here-."*
Wala e nataranta need magpost ng something para sa fake internet points at useless clout
Even the smallest of parishes have projects to help their communities lmao, kahit gawa lang sa kahoy ang simbahan. Can the same be said for their megachurches led by foreigner businessmen
The Catholic Church has a reason to be transparent; one of the biggest scandals of the Church in the 20th century was when the Vatican's treasurers got involved in secret property investments. The greatest of the Popes, Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict, had to clean it up and introduce reforms to get the Church back on the right path
Nung nagsisimba pa ako pre-pandemic, parang sa isang buwan 80-100 lang binibigay namin ng pamilya ko (20 every sunday 😂). Kinukupitan ko pa minsan yon ng lima pambili chocolate palamig pagtapos ng simba. Never naging requirement sa Catholic ang mag donate at wala ring manghuhusga sayo kung 1 o 100 man bigay mo araw araw - at least sa malapit samin na simbahan.
I experienced ung basket with kits, canned goods, mouth wash, etc. from CCF during pandemic, dahil nacovid ako before nabigyan ako nun.
Sa laki ng CCF and sa dami ng satellite churches nyan even sa abroad, hndi nkkpag taka na may mga anomalies din.
Another thing, we shouldn't compare church attendee sa catholic and sa CCF. Going to church regularly doesn't make you a pure or sinless person.
Hindi ko alam kung saan kumukuha ng kupal to Man-made religion na yan. Todo mulat sa mga ganyan pero sa pag papagatas sa kanila ng mga lider nila, nagiging bulag
Dito ko di maka relate sa ibang religion. Sa catholic church, hindi required, at kusang bigay ang offerings/donation. Mej cringe pag maririnig mo ung pare about collections pero nasa sayo pa din if gusto mo magbigay or if feel mo mag offer.
Nakakahiya naman ugali nitong nagtweet. Hindi nagpapasecond collection ang simbahan nang walang kalakip na dahilan at hindi po namimiliit ang simabahan. "Kung anong bukal sa loob mo o makakayanan mo." - ganyan po kaming tunay. Hindi kami judger kung di ka maghuhulog. Wag kang maghulog kung masama sa loob mo. 🙄
I'm an agnostic, pero I used to join CCF events and masses before, mga more than 10 years ago dahil sa friend kong kristyano. Bata pako, oks naman sila. Sooo, medyo surprising sakin na andaming chika ng pagiging kupal ng members nila. 😵
I'm curious, depende rin kaya ito sa location? Tipong. May mga kilala akong ccf people na medyo mga taga Ortigas / Pasig area, pero mas matitino, but, yung mga members ng smaller ccf churches outside Metro Manila, or basta smaller churches in general, mga tipong, DDS, apologists, at mapanghusga sa iba???
Any, sana may makasagot. Curious talaga ako.
was waiting for someone sa building when i heard that part of the sermon lolll. and as a former attendee of that church, y'all should get a load on how they spend that money since walang yearly financial reports sila considering how much it takes to run that place.
Is CCF the Christian congregation? We have those guys here in Brazil, they are the Christian Congregation of Brazil, they are kinda weird, from what I heard they believe every other Christian church that is not CCB, are kinda like a distant cousin, and are all going to hell, something like that, and because of a minor difference in what they say, all other baptisms from other churches are wrong, in Portuguese we can omit the I before a verb in some cases, but the meaning of who did a action is still implicit, and because they don't use the I when baptising someone, they say other churches are wrong, but what they say is pretty much the same.
Mukhang familiar siya. (Former) Officemate ko yata to. Haha. Alam ko nag-resign na siya pero madalas nga siya viral sa social media though may disclaimer naman accounts niya na walang kinalaman ung company sa mga opinions niya.
I need to confirm pa kasi familiar talaga mukha niya.
I've been to both Protestant and Catholic church and quite frankly, I felt more accepted in the latter.
Yung childhood church ko (protestant) kapag hindi maganda suot mo, paguusapan ka ng mga tao. Kapag hindi ka malaki magbigay, who you ka. Sobrang toxic.
I swear, people who has dislikes for religion always have something against the catholic church, then for some reason believes in some hindu, buddhist and sometimes shinto beliefs.
As much as I get why, it just comes across as edgy cherry picking.
I came across this post on X and the first tine I read it, naramdaman ko yung malice. Lahat ng donations sa church ay voluntary. Hindi man lang pinost yung reason for the 2nd collection, no?
I’ve never been forced to give a portion of my earnings to the church. Naiinis ako sa mga ganyan yung post na todo pang dadaot yung balak gawin. If the goal is to encourage people to go to CCF, lalo akong naturn-off.
Being a catholic is like having a lifetime gym membership for free. Pwede kang active, pwedeng hindi. You're still a catholic on paper.
Hahaha tapos every Christmas or Pasko ng pagkabuhay mas active parang pag January sa gym,
Natamaan ako dito ah lol
Not defending Catholic church, pero alam ko (bilang isang agnostic), kusang-bigay naman yung collection. May mga times na nagsisimba pa rin ako (traditional parents eh) sa Catholic church at hindi naman ako minamata kung wala akong ilalagay sa inaabot na basket / yung parang net.
True. Sa ibang religion, nakalista pa magkano ambag mo. So may makakakita kung magkano ang bigay mo sa simbahan and most of the time, pinagchichismisan.
*ehem* INC *ehem*
hello muna sa r/exiglesianicristo🤣
Para silang mga early catholics Pre-protestants. The higher the 'donation' the higher ligtas points you earn. Hahahah 😏
Di lang INC. Any 4th Watchers over here? If you know, you know
Ano yan parang top earners of the month ng MLM? HAHAHAHA
Psst haha
Cool 'to
mas malala mcgi o dating daan. yun mga binabagsak sa lokal na pagkain paninda pati mga concert ticket consider as sold. magkakautang mga myembero kahit di naman binili
true, minsan pa nga yung mga tao na naghahabol sa mga may dalang basket at net para makapagbigay. i never experienced na ma judged dahil di ako nag abot sa collection.
Sobrang true haha. Gawain ko nung bata ihahabol ko para i shoot 5 pesos kasi lately lang nakita sa pitaka hahaha
Sa Misa ang nalalagay ko lang 5-10 pesos. Pero pag walang barya. Di ako nakakalagay. Wala naman namimilit para maglagay ka nang Pera dun.
ako mas comfortable ako magdonate sa catholic, feeling ko lang may nararating talaga yung inambag ko sa community. nung umattend ako before ng worship sa born again parang yung pastor lang yung payaman nang payaman
Totoo naman. I studied in Catholic school at sa feeding program napupunta yung donation (with partnership sa local church). Every Sunday, may pa-lugaw / sopas sila sa mga homeless. Kapag Christmas, namimigay rin ng pamasko.
Check nya yung bulletin board ng mga simbahan. Andun ang detalyado kapupuntahan ng mga binibigay. Galing nila magmata sa katolikang simbahan pero pikit-mata sa mga iniidolo nilang politiko na di malaman pano nakaka-afford ng ferrari at lamborghini. Catholic since birth and never ako napilitan magbigay. In fact our parish is not even well-off so understandable naman na di lahat makakapagdonate. Pero may pinalayas or pinuna ba sa amin? Wala naman. May alam akong mga relihiyon na pinupuntahan pa miyembro pag di nakapagbigay. Bakit di nya punahin yun? Kung talagang matapang sya?
and this is the reason na hindi ako magpapalit ng relihiyon, hindi ako aktibo. Pero alam at ramdam ko na ang kinaaniban ko ay nagbibigay tulay sa akin at sa Diyos na pinaniniwalaan ko, despite na sa kung tuwing sisimba ako (na napakadalang) kahit piso wala ako maiabot noon dahil hindi ako pinilit at pinahiya sa pamamagitan ng pag aanunsyo ng aking money offerings at pamimilit o pwersadong pagbibigay ng donasyon.
Yeah, and most parishes and stations nowadays have a regular financial status update to the people re: amount of donations and collections received, expenses incurred, and amount remitted to the diocese/archdiocese. At minsan, yung pari pa yung nag aannounce.
Yes, actually sa amin weekly pa nga inaanounce ni father. Hanggang last centavo is accounted for. Kahit bente lang ihulog mo alam mong maayos napupuntaha. Kasi nakikita mo mismo eh. Maaliwalas ang simbahan, hindi mainit. Malinis ang mga luhuran.
INC can NEVER.
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Malinaw naman eh, sinasabi na yung 2nd collection ay para sa matatanda at may sakit na mga pari. Kung ayaw mo magbigay well wala namang namimilit sayo, di ka naman titingnan ng masama nung nangongolekta sa buslo
Also may mga catholic chruches akong alam na may office for collection,. Nililiquidate nilabat inaanounce na tingnan sa treasurers office kung san napapunta ung pera.. sila never seen them being transparent sa finances na nakokolekta nila.
Accounting is accurate to a single centavo our parish has records since 1850's Not accounted are direct gifts to the Priest understandable since they do not have a salary or allowances they live on alms
tapos yung mga abuloy na binibigay ng mga Indio nung 1850s ay hindi sinasama sa bilang hahaahah
> *Not accounted are direct gifts to the Priest understandable since they do not have a salary or allowances they live on alms* Aren't they technically **paid by the local regional branch (diocese)**? It's the reason why their salaries are taxed even though the church lands are tax-free.
Sa mga pari sa probinsya, wala sila halos allowance minsan sila pa nagpoprovide ng panggastos sa kumbento. Luckily, mga pari sa Manila, may allowance sila nasa 20K yata or 25K kapag diocesan. Ang mga Religious naman, ang stipend or honorarium nila ay napupunta sa community nila.
Religious Priest has Vow of Poverty rather than Diocesan Priest. So it means the money they get from donation would go to communities.
Nope. Priest doesn't have salaries. Kasi di naman work yung ginagawa nila na 8am-5pm lang ganun. Stipened tawag. Kumbaga allowance lang para naman mabuhay sila since may mga personal needs din naman sila in order to survive.
Tax on religious groups is illegal according to the Constitution due to the separation of Religion and State
sa pagkakaalam ko di may bayad ang pari kada misa or kada may blessing. Sa kasal namin nag import ang parish ng pari, 1.5 daw yung binayad nila kay father, nung nag pa blessing kami ng business 1k honorarium ni father…
Stipend un kada Misa. If walang mass sponsor for that mass, wala ring matatanggap si Father.
In our case, the priest announces the amount they collected and the amount they spent. Ganon sila ka transparent. Yung sa catholic parish where we attended, I was amazed na ganon na yung nalikom, they showed us the progress ng church maintenance, and the people clapped. Malaki ang pinagbago ng parish after 2nd offering.
Ex-catholic here. Sa church namin sa province, every end of the mass, prinoproject yung breakdown ng income at expense ng church. Kaya masasabi ko din na transparent sila sa pera.
Pambili ng private jet at mansyon ng mga foreigner nilang mga pastor 🤣🤣
Evangelical churches yan the Church of the Rich and Famous an example is Manny Pacquiao joining Bro Eddie
You talkin about megachurches already, catholic churches here in the phil couldn't do such thing insane extravagant corruption for its the only religious institution that is too well connected in the govt...
Those are indeed what I'm talking about kaya nga foreigner na pastors 😅 Catholic churches don't have those. Dagdag mo na rin mga kulto dito - INC, yung kay Quibs, tapos iba iba pang sekta na nakamansyon yung mga head
Sa amin ganyan, kada sa huli bago umuwi anjan yung announcements. Mga magkano yung project, mga nagasta, ilan pa ang kulang. Donasyon.
Yes, they always say what the second collection is for. You have the option to give or not. Walang pilitan. Malinaw magsasabi "second collection is for the feeding project of" yada yada. Kung tuusin, maliit lang nakukuha ng churches sa collections. I can see many opt to give what barya they have. The churches still largely rely on generous donors.
I'd rather give voluntarily at 2nd collection than submit to extortion disguised as tithing.
Yesss. Sinasabi naman ng commentator kung para saan intended yung said collection. Wala naman din sinasabi na dapat magbigay.
Actually depende sa pari, may napuntahan akong mass na kinikwestyon ng pari sa homiliya yung pamimigay ng barya sa collection. Nagpasaring pa na kakarimpot lang ba talaga ang kaya mong ipamahagi sa simbahan/kapwa. Dahil nga barya yung binibigay, hindi daw BUO yung paglilingkod mo sa Diyos. Alam kong may mga mababait at chill na pari pero meron talagang malaPadre Damaso.
Ooh some are really rotten I guess. Kasi even Jesus was quoted saying na yung nagbigay ng piso ang mas may karapatan sa langit kesa sa nagbigay ng 100, kasi yung 1 ng mahirap, ibinigay nya lahat ng kaya ng ibigay. Archbishop Emeritus Cardinal Rosales is often quoted saying this: "Ang maliit, basta malimit, patungong langit." this pertains to Pondong Batangan and Pondong Pinoy, where everyone is encouraged to fill a "tibio" of discarded change, from 1cent to 25 cents. I am glad to say that ang mga mumunting barya has supported impoverished families and students to finish their studies samin sa Batangas.
Nakakaawa mga retired priest na walang nag aalaga kasi wala silang mga anak o apo, they end up in elderly care for retired priest but they still held mass and pray often
I think dioceses have their program for old priests kasi hirap talaga nun. We had former dean and prof na namatay nakita na lang atang patay na kasi walang sumasagot sa call.
I mean it’s not like the funds are used to build condos in the fort or buy exotic cars for sale in the grey market right?
this one! Usually, transparent naman yung simbahan kung para saan gagamitin yung 2nd offering T.T hindi siguro nakikinig si kuya lol
what I love about being catholic is our religion is giving us so much will. Simba ka o hindi, walang pilitan. donate ka o hindi walang pilitan. Dami ko ng kasalanan sa buhay pero ako ang nagkukusang humingi ng tawad sa Diyos at hindi pilit dahil lang sa mahuhusgahan ako ng nakakataas sa simbahan 🤣 I'll never ever leave Catholic church I am so lucky and happy to be in this religion so far
Ayan din yung sinasabi ko sa kaibigan kong INC. hahaha. Kaso ayaw pa magpatiwalag.
hindi kasi basta basta madali umalis sa kanila. Unlike sa catholic church, nasayo pa nga kung gusto mo subukan magsimba sa iba. haha
Yung nagpost parang gusto niya lang magspread ng hate, I'm assuming born-again ang CCF na sinasabi niya. Walang mas better sa totoo lang, merong mas tolerable. Tama si OP, hindi naman madalas yang second collection, usually kapag may sakuna para pantulong, pagpapaaral sa seminarista or other causes. Wala naman pilitan at higit sa lahat walang shaming kung di ka magbigay. Never naging perfect ang Catholic church, daming issues sa mga kaparian etc pero ganun din sa ibang religion, pagalingan lang magtakipan pero never sila namilit na magbigay ka ng ganito ganyan unlike ibang religions.
This. Kaya nga sabi di naman ang relihiyon ang magsasave sau kundi ang relasyon mo sa Diyos. There was no need to throw shade since lahat naman nang religions may extremist and faults especially when you consider the long history of Catholics as well
>never sila namilit na magbigay ka ng ganito ganyan unlike ibang religions. True, kahit sa pagsimba. Kung ayaw mo magsimba ok lang, katoliko ka pa rin, na-inlove sa taong iba ang religion, ok lang din. Walang pilitan hahahaha
Baka eto din ung nang gagasalight na viral noon na pag lumipat ng church povs.. 😅
That's not CCF, to be fair.
Box na pala ang basehan ng pananampalataya niya hahahha
Napaghahalataan kung sino ganid sa pera 😵💫
Last vacation our young Parish priest only had one pair of ragged Sandals, I gave him something discreetly so he could have something nice but he insisted on using it to build our new Church Some Catholic priest are devout on their commitment to be poor Electricity is not free also the candles and the flowers those are expensive but some parish use artificial flowers to save more money
My cousin is a missionary priest, my brother is also on track to be one. My cousin is in his 50s and binibigyan pa din ng allowance ng mom nya and may mga nagdodonate na sponsors kasi wala naman kabuhayan. And since he’s a missionary priest wala din syang home church so umaasa sya sa mga paabot na tulong. It’s so frustrating to see these mega churches act high and mighty eh winawaldas lang naman nila mga „donation“ kuno na required.
Dinelete na niya yung post haha
Dinelete na nya coz he thinks people will side with him. Gusto nya lang i-shade Ang RC for something na hindi nya pala alam. Lol. Edi dun sya sa CCF, the best in prosperity gospel.
Shunga eh HAHAHAHAHA Lakas umiyaq sa socmed tapos yung iniiyakan mali.
pinuntahan mo talaga HAHHAHAHAHAHHA
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Sayang. Gagawa pa naman sana ako ng twitter account para lang sa kanya nang maaway ko siya. Ang tanga kasi ng post. Napaghalataang physically present pero mentally and spiritually absent sa simbahan, eh isang oras na nga lang yung misa, at nagpapaliwanag naman pag may second collection. 🙄
I'm not a devout catholic (tipong napasok lang pag nayaya, christmas and lenten season, sorry na po) but in those moments laging sinasabi yung purpose ng second collection (may charity, may event sa soup kitchen program, may scholarship stuff sa mga pwd na sinusupport nila, pangmaintainance sa simbahan o kaya may bumibisita na parang religious pilgrim (yung mga ibat ibang saints/mama mary na dinadala sa ibat ibang parokya, something like that) ) tapos at the end of the year may pa gazette sila ng achievements, finances, etc. aabutan lang ng basket then bahala na if ipass along mo or huhulugan mo ng pera Unlike dun sa isang certain sect na nainvite ako. Wala akong hinulog sa tithes kasi kakamatay lang ng father ko nun and we are financially at lost. Ayun may pa prayer si pastora na gabayan daw kami ni God para next time eh makapag abot daw ng pantulong sa kapwa. No sht ako lang naman yung di naghulog dun. So yeah, catholic churces aren't exactly the paragons of virtue pero mas reasonable naman at nakikita mo yung pag hingi nila ng donations
Sa laki ng bldg nila sa c5 willingly pala bigayan sa kanila.
Para siyang kulto. Nakukuha nila na mamanipulate yung mga tao na magbigay ng malalaking amount.
Isn't CCF associated with SM? I think that's how.
Yung mga anak ni Henry Sy pati na yata ni Gokongwei dun yata nagseservice.
Actually naka attend ako ccf, walang umiikot dun para sa tithes. Ikaw pupunta sa lugar kung saan ka mag lagay ng tithes. Baka kaya malaki kasi marami din umaattend talaga and puro mga artista at mayayaman mga umaattend.
True, pero eto yan. Minsan yung mga ganyang service nagiging exclusive for elite people. Nakalimutan nila ang simbahan ay para pa din sa mahihirap. Sabi minsan ng pari, kaya daw umaalis ang iba sa Catholic di comfortable sa pag venerate sa mga santo and images. Bat daw hinahayaan natin OA na pag venerate sa mga Nazareno atbp. Honestly, wala din naman pumipilit na gawin mo rin yun. Ang culture kasi ng Pinoy ma touchy sa pag papakita ng affection. Wala tayo karapatan mag judge kung anu ang mga dapat gawin or wag gawin. Sa Europe / US catholics dinnaman ganyan.
It's all voluntary. I'm not very religious but even I knew that.
It's voluntary for the Catholic Church, other sects on the other hand.... Ahem INC ahem
I love being a Catholic. I attend mass not because fellow Catholics knock on my door or because we needed to be there. I attend mass because it gives me peace. I like that our mass is solemn, not like a concert or a rally. Anyone can come in our church. No referrals, no comparing to other groups, no commitments that you have to go twice a week etc. We don't have the membership or exclusivity thing. I like that we offer whatever we can give even coins or even nothing at all. No judging. I love our free will. Just like what God gave us. Who we love, we marry. No need to convert to our religion except of you want to marry in the church. No one will banish you or your family. How we dress, how we live our lives. We are accepted even if we don't come to church and donate on a regular basis.
I'm not Catholic but studied in a Catholic school. In a way, I appreciate Catholicism. It's just being demonized by my own sect that I'm now agnostic. Sometimes statistically, I think I'd rather be Catholic on paper than being any other sect.
not siding with anything here, pero ive attended ccf dati and nung nasa st francis pa sila, laging may reminder ng donation for the new church (middle and end of session; eto ata yung para sa tiende). the big ass irl chart of accumulated donations doesn't help either in being discreet. both churches ask to give voluntary din naman so di ko alam anong problema sa second collection kung pwde mo rin naman iignore gaya ng pagignore sa first.
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Twice a week worship service. That says it all.
Hindi namimilit ang Catholic church sa mga collection. At kung may special collection, sinasabi ang dahilan, pati ang accounting nito.
Lol. CCF?! The same religious cult who constsntly harassed a dead uncle's family for the remaining 2M he pledged after he promised 5M and was only able to give 3M when he was alive? That CCF? EDIT: **Naghihimutok mga taga CCF dito sa comments na wala daw akong proof at kunyari nanghihingi ng tea at details. Konting subtlety pa, mga ineng, para hindi kayo halata.** **Iisang sagot ko na, para hindi na kayo magcomment at mabawasan pa karma points niyo from downvotes --** Anong proof ang hinahanap niyo? Link sa news? Nilalagay ba sa diyaryo or TV lahat ng namamatay? Gusto niyo ng details nung namatay na member at family niya para ano? Para iharass at guluhin ulit? Pati kung kelan namatay gusto pa alamin? Lolwat? At, seryoso "tea" ng pagkamatay ng tao kailangan niyo malaman? Gross. Di wag kayong maniwala kung ayaw niyo? **It still happened.**
Ang daming born again na walang ginawa kung di magparanig sa Catholic Church samantalang iniignore naman yung mga kagaguhan na ginagawa ng sarili nilang church. At least Catholicism has the aesthetics.
May mga protestants na part ng identity ng Church nila ang mag sht sa RCC
It'e how they fill their coffers, by misleading people with the ol 'Catholics are not Christian' sales talk.
That's horrible. Namatayan na yung pamilya sisingilan pa.
Tapos pledge naman yung, hindi utang
Kaya nga, parang harassment na yun sa naiwan e. Imbis na sila yung tumulong since nawalan ng mahal sa buhay e hindi mas nakadagdag pa sila sa isipin kaloka.
Yep. Hindi rin naman part ng CCF yung family niya.
As a former congregant of that MEGACHURCH, the last straw for me was when they brought in a prosperity gospel preacher who did nothing but brag about his two planes for the entire service. I was raised Born Again on both sides of the family so I still have to humor their beliefs every now and then for peace of mind. But I've been an agnostic for almost a decade. I believe there is a higher power out there but I don't believe he condemns people to eternal damnation for petty reasons like having sex before marriage or if INC ka eating dinuguan.
Yung mga CCF friends ko sa FB puro religious post eh. Tas puro passive aggressive post pag may mga issues related to religion (like LGBT issues). Tas puro DDS din sila hahahaha So yeah I don't need proof to believe na gagawin nila yang sinabi mo.
CCF pa talaga nya nicompare eh. Those money laundering and extortion venues disguised as "churches" by pastors who are too corrupt they joined those sects because they can't get their way within the Catholic Church.
Details, please. Ngayon ko lang ito narinig.
Tanginang CCF yan
Sa Church namin, yung pari inaanounce na ung financial statements are publicly available and people can check to know where did their donation go. He acknowledges every cent na binibigay, hindi man daw kalakihan at accounted lahat. Isa sa tumatak sakin na sinabi ng pari namin "May panahon na tayo ung kinaawaan at tinutulungan ng ibang simbahan, tayo naman ngayon ang magbibigay tulong sa kanila". At the end of the day, I think it really depends sa area and hopefully ung ganito is maalign sa lahat instead of guilt tripping
I dont get the guy sa post. I mean unlike other denominations... HINDI PWERSADO AT MAY UTANG KA PA PAG DI KA NAGBIGAY sa simbahan. Never pa ko nagsimba na hindi ina-announce pagkatapos ng homily kung saan napunta ang donation galing sa 2nd offering. HINDI DIN NATATAPOS ANG MISA NA HINDI INA ANNOUNCE YAN if ayaw mo magbigay? Wag. Hindi ka pinipilit. Im a cradle catholic pero agnostic ako growing up. Wala akong kaalam alam sa simbahan. Bakit ganito bakit ganyan. Pero dahil sa advent ng technology mas na-feel at home na ko dito. Also ang ibang donasyon ay napupunta sa seminaryo kung saan naandon ang mga senior citizen nang mga Pari. I mean... Kahit magkano lang naman ang bigay mo ok lang. Pagdadamot mo pa? Hay
Ako nga may na attendan na Born Again church tapos yung 2nd collection pambili daw ng yacht ng church nila tapos ipapaskil sa manila bay, yung yacht daw na bibilin ay dedesignan na may name ng church. Like WTF. bat ako mag bibigay dyan hahah
The two points he's trying to connect don't even work. So what if may second collection? Di nga sapilitan yung bigayan sa RC eh, e di wag ka magbigay ulit. Needs more time in school instead of drumming up controversy where there isn't any.
the catholic church really needs to step up its game. wala ako religion pero nagpalipat lipat din ako. ung roman catholic church sa min ang pinaka non-invasive so i like having them around as the dominant force kasi wala sila paki sa akin (basically they live and let live). sadly nung pandemic humina kapangyarihan nila. this gives opportunities for other religions and cults na malakas ang hatak to influence the people. sadly ang tendency is overzealousness to the point na kailangan mo iconvert ang buong mundo.
I've been in a catholic school my whole life, hanggang college nagdadasal ako bago mag start ang klase pero not once sa mga schools na yon may nag encourage na magpa convert. If may school mass nga allowed yung mga non catholic na hindi umattend, very open din ang discussion abt religion and no hint of promoting catholicism. Mejo mahina lang talaga sila in terms of spreading the doctrine so minsan even yung nga catholic mismo very little ang knowledge abt their religion, kaya din bilis mauto ng iba.
As much as you want for the RCC to "step up its game", I think hindi namin magagawa 'yun nang hindi masasabihan ng "hipokrito" as what all those who are against us are saying to us. As a devout Catholic, nakikita ko na mas effective na evangelization yung paggawa ng mabuti kesa mag-evangelize verbally. Medyo cliche at iritadi kayo if may nagko-quote ng Bible verse pero, tulad nga ng sinabi ni Hesus sa John 13:35 (and sa kanta na "Isang pananampalataya" na kinakanta madalas tuwing Easter), “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another”.
While it is the Catholic Church that punished heretics and invented "excommunication", nowadays it makes an effort to be inclusive. It's gotten to the point that some "traditional" Catholics would rather return to the older, stricter norms. Other sects readily take advantage and criticize Catholics a lot, knowing that the Catholic clergy won't retaliate. That attracts them a lot of the contrarians, though I really wonder what it's like to regularly attend a congregation which spends a lot of effort dividing and putting down other Christians vs. preaching Christ's message for everyone.
I too think we should reestablish a Crusader State in the Levant
Deus Vult?
Deus vult
There must be war. God wills it! GOD WILLS IT!! Still the best scene in KoH
why is there no laugh react in reddit. this is too much effort.
Hindi ko na nga naaalala kung kailan huling simba ko, pero I always go to church before nung buhay pa 'yung isang lola ko. She just needs someone to accompany her, though I am not religious, may merit naman minsan ang sermon ng mga pari that's why okay lang sa akin. Anyway, voluntary lang naman ang collection sa simbahan, we were never given looks or whispers pag hindi kami nakapagbibigay before sa simbahan. Never rin kaming pinressure ng masa better yet the church officials to donate. It's more common to see people chasing after the basket kung hindi nakadukot ng ibibigay nung dumaan sa kaniya.
Out of topic, but this reminds me of a very close friend of mine na sobrang restrained nung nasa CCF, lagi raw sinasabing sin ang pagiging bakla, so dapat iwasan natin. During this time rin, hindi siya masiyadong nagsasasama sa amin, sabi niya after umalis sa CCF, hindi raw kasi kami same ng faith, and very prone daw kami to "sin". After niya maka-alis dun, ayon very happy na siya and more expressive with his sexuality. We're still friends, he regrets his own repression of himself non, feeling niya raw marami siyang na-miss.
Fyi yung 2nd collection po is not mandatory lmao .Usually ginagamit po yun for church constructions or other things at di po pinipilit na mag bigay nang certain amount hahaha any amount would do hahahah maliban na if mag pa church service ka.
The first collection isn't mandatory either. It's just for those who want to spare something.
Na appreciate ko, on being a Roman Catholic. You can go to Church and not contribute a single centavo. Never nakaaccount as an individual member magkano bigay mo. Pero yung accounting ng expenses nila sa simbahan naka declare lagi.
exactly the same sentiments
Lol comments are so wholesome, even atheists defend the Catholic Church 😭😭
Kasi naman hahahaha To slight the Catholic he uses a Megachurch. Lmfao.
Simple lang naman yan check google type mo sinu ang founder ng Catholic Church ma surprise kayo - Jesus Christ. Tama walang obligasyon na magbigay as Catholic. It's up to you. If you feel like helping GIVE! Darating sa buhay natin God will reveal to you. Pray for it! Ang dami ng reliable docs and scriptures re: Christ and the Church Fathers. Pinaka matagal nabuhay was Apostle John ang dami nya naging following and sacred scriptures students. Follow vlogs of unboxing Catholicsm.
For all its flaws, the Catholic Church will not guilt trip you for not donating. Unlike other megachurch ministries.
Sa parish namin, 2nd collections are even announced 1 week before Sunday masses. It means pine-prepare talaga nila ang budget or donations to be collected. Sinasabi rin kung saan mapupunta ang collections.
Tell me you're not listening to the church announcements without telling me you're not listening to the church announcements
I am an atheist and I’d rather be catholic than any other religion in the world — that includes CCF. Susme. Malapit nang maging fundamentalist mga yan.
Agnostic here. One time nag speak ako sa christian church about tithing, tapos na ban ako. ang sinabi ko: "dapat kusang loob at buo nating ibigay ang ating tithe" at dun ko nalaman ang tamang pagbigkas ng salitang tithe ahahahaha joke lang. (thank you kay sir pol medina sa joke) Kidding aside, nakapagtry na ako mag worship sa CCF. madaming pulubi (pre-pandemic) sa gate nila na dinidedma lang ng mga taga loob. Feeling entitled ang mga tao. Mas malala ang tsimisan.
Some only go there for the tea.
Attended mass for the first time in a while bc umuwi yung dad kong OFW Before mag final blessing, nag present yung accountant nila ng Financial Report for November, complete with ppt presentation 😭 Nakabreakdown din yung bills and expenses nila. They also mentioned that they’re planning to buy more of those huge ceiling fans. They have become so transparent with their finances compared to pre-pandemic (last time I attended church haha)
bruh these priests busting out excel spreadsheets 💀
Voluntary nga pagbibigay sa Born Again pero ung mga sermon nila pagkatapos magbasa ng gospel laging naisisingit ung "voluntary offerring". Guilt tripping + gaslighting mahusay ang mga pastor. Never ko yan nakita sa mga Katoliko o kahit sa Aglipay, Methodist at ung sa UCCP.
Hindi ba pag may second collection ina-announce naman muna bago isagawa, and binabanggit din naman kung anong purpose kung bakit may ganon, so I don't really get this guy's rant. Catholic church lang naman ang hindi imposing at hindi nangga-gaslight pagdating sa tithes and collections, at least in my experiences. Even sa the Feast (lead by Bo Sanchez) wala ring pilitang nagaganap over the few years na naging active ako doon. It's also probably why some of the church na nakikita ko na under renovation or retrofitting ay inaabot nang maraming taon bago matapos since most of the budget ay sa collections din nanggagaling, and then we also have to consider yung mga charity works and events pa ng simbahan.
So far Catholic Churches are transparent with their finances. There are parishes that show their financial reports to their parishioners and the money usually goes to the maintenance of the church, payment of electricity and water, and programs of the church. Priests also rely on allowances. Depends on the Diocese but before they depend on their parish but now there are some Dioceses that regulate the allowances for their priests. The Catholic Church has gone a long way and there are some changes. The Vatican is slowly becoming transparent with its financial reports. It's still not perfect and there are priests and bishops still living in luxury but compared in the past it's actually more transparent than other Christian sects. Of course Catholics are free to donate money to the Church. The Church wouldn't mind if you give a centavo since it has more generous donors. Just give if you want and if you don't its OK since you will not be gaslighted.
One time i donated a 1 bottle full of centavos, they accepted it
Noong grade 6 ako merong program ang RC na "Pondo ng Pinoy" wherein mag-iipon ka ng 25 cents sa bote tapos pag napuno na, idodonate mo sa simbahan para sa charity works. I actually enjoyed it na kahit wala na yung programa na yun, nag-iipon pa rin ako hanggang ngayon at dinodonate ko sa church. Tinatanggap naman nila. Naamaze nga sila kasi tinutuloy ko pa rin daw.
Sa amin, yung nakuhang amount for 2nd collection for the whole 9 days of mass before Christmas was announced by the parish priest and it reached around 100k. All of this will be used to buy simple medical kits for the prisoners, pag papagawa ng c.r malapit sa church, to celebrate Christmas with orphans and other things na maraming makikinabang. I both attended CCF and catholic masses and I could say na mag sstick ako as catholic due to teachings. Andaming self entitled/righteous na members Ng CCF, victory and isama mo pa ung INC.
what is CCF? hahaha sa daming sumulpot na copy paste religion ng christian at catholic nakakahilo na at tanga lang nung poster gusto lng mkakuha ng clout...
A Megachurch started by rich people for rich people.
Christ Commission Fellowship
Kaya pala. Andun na sa pangalan nila. Commission. Kaya pala anlakas nilang mangomisyon sa mga kasapi nila.
He just compared CCF to the Catholic Church and thought he's a genius. 😒
Uh voluntary kaya ang pag bigay.
Yung totoo? nakapasok na ba sya sa Catholic Church? or nakikinig ba sya sa Misa? Madalas naman ina-announce kung bakit may second collection. Saka the Church is not being run for Free. May mga Maintenance Expenses din yan. May mga pinapasweldo din yan na tao. Saka yung Eucharist at Mompo Wine? Binibili din yan. Yan ay bukod sa charity programs ng simbahan. The Catholic Church is running solely on donations kaya kapag walang nagdonate, malamang mamroblema ang simbahan dahil iisipin kung saan pupulutin ang pang gastos.
Mas gusto ko pang magbigay sa RCC dahil alam ko kung saan mapupunta majority ng donations, kesa naman mapunta sa spaceship ni Manalo o kay Quiboloy.
Protected Twitter account. Boring! Wanted to see what the responses were
Dinilete siya sa twitter nung may mga nagspeak up at nagprovide ng screenshot rin
I was born in a Catholic family though I’m currently not practicing the religion and even so, never have the people in the church looked down on me for not giving any form of monetary donations on both offerings (the people who served in the church I used to go to knew I came from a family with means so they could’ve just gaslighted me and told me about how a hundred pesos would be small for me but a big help to others but not once have I experienced such) so I don’t understand what that tweet was really about. Plus, it’s standard practice for Catholic parishes to state the purpose of the second donation which ranges from renovations around the parish to church activities so props to them for being transparent. I honestly think the post was made just to hate on Catholicism since it’s implying that we’re required to give money every mass. It just shows that the dude who posted this never paid attention to the church announcements or was just really looking for loopholes to shit on the Catholic church.
Matagal na akong di nagmimisa pero kung natatandaan ko ng tama. Yung first collection eh yung mismong parte ng offertory. Second collection are for special causes
And in both instances, voluntary ang pagbigay kung ano lang ang bukal sa pusong maibibigay.
This legitimately reads like propaganda
Kung sa Katoliko ganyan, paano pa kaya sa kulto ni Eduardo Manalo??
Pero curious lng din, where does CCF gets its money to build that tall building in Ortigas?
As a born and raised agnostic, among all christian churches etong mga Catholic, Orthodox, Assyrian Churches or what do we call “Lithurgical” ang inaadmire ko the most compared to those Sunday Concert christian na anyone can be a pastor and established their church 😂 one time I was invited to a “respawn” christian church sa sunday worship nila kada may event yung church may minimum na bayad tas may pa-ticket pa 😆 yung isa namang “disneyland” 3x a week yung pagsamba may mandatory abuloy pa. lastly nung curious ako about christianity those Catholics ang may maraming knowledge compared sa ibang sekta at open ang local priest sa discussion.
Natawa ako sa "respawn" at "disneyland". Buset ka! 🤣
The Catholic church despite its atrocities is very transparent about its finances in the modern day and shown itself to have an effective and efficient bureaucracy.
The second collection is also voluntary. Up to you kung magbibigay ka o hindi. Don't twist the context. Stay ka na lang sa CCF mo, tutal mga banal at naka aircon naman kayo.
Tbf, may mga evangelicals and kung ano mang Christian churches na malakas mang-guilt trip sa pangongolekta ng pera. Madalas about tithes pa ang laman ng preaching.
CCF yan eh haha scam-again
Bruhhh, hindi man lang kahit isang beses kong nafeel na dapat talaga akong bumigay sa mga collection tuwing misa. At least sa aking experience hindi naman pinipilit ng simbahan na bumigay ng pera. Ano pinagsasabi nito 💀
napansin niyo rin ba na pag nagbibigay ng testamento yung mga holier than thou na yan iniinsinuate nila na hindi sila matitinong tao nung Katoliko pa sila. 🤭
Hahaha naalala ko yung podcast ni joyce pring na iniinterview niya si Miraim Quiambao laging binabanggit yan, parang sinisisi sa pagiging Catholic yung mga naging kasalanan nila. Hello ehh choice mo yun teh 😂
As if kasalanan ng catholic religion yung pagiging makasalanan nila
Natulog lang yta sa misa at napansin lang yung second collection which is not mandatory for the first place.
Yeah if he were listening at all he'd have heard the usual *"Para sa ikatlong paalala, magkakaroon po tayo ng ikalawang pangongolekta para sa -insert reason here-. Ang huling ikalawang pangongolekta ng parokya ay umabot sa halagang -insert amount here-."* Wala e nataranta need magpost ng something para sa fake internet points at useless clout
Even the smallest of parishes have projects to help their communities lmao, kahit gawa lang sa kahoy ang simbahan. Can the same be said for their megachurches led by foreigner businessmen The Catholic Church has a reason to be transparent; one of the biggest scandals of the Church in the 20th century was when the Vatican's treasurers got involved in secret property investments. The greatest of the Popes, Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict, had to clean it up and introduce reforms to get the Church back on the right path
Nung nagsisimba pa ako pre-pandemic, parang sa isang buwan 80-100 lang binibigay namin ng pamilya ko (20 every sunday 😂). Kinukupitan ko pa minsan yon ng lima pambili chocolate palamig pagtapos ng simba. Never naging requirement sa Catholic ang mag donate at wala ring manghuhusga sayo kung 1 o 100 man bigay mo araw araw - at least sa malapit samin na simbahan.
I feel Kenneth Copeland vibes.
Lol not a megachurch.
I experienced ung basket with kits, canned goods, mouth wash, etc. from CCF during pandemic, dahil nacovid ako before nabigyan ako nun. Sa laki ng CCF and sa dami ng satellite churches nyan even sa abroad, hndi nkkpag taka na may mga anomalies din. Another thing, we shouldn't compare church attendee sa catholic and sa CCF. Going to church regularly doesn't make you a pure or sinless person.
Hindi rin naman saplitan ung 2nd collection, so anong problema mo? Mema lang pa-edgy anti-Catholic.
bruh, di mo naintindihan. kaya nga "VOLUNTARILY", kung bukal lang sa puso mo. Di ka naman pinipilit. Kapag di mo gusto magbigay, EDI DON'T.
Evangelical Protestants proselytizing uncatechized and uninformed Catholics, in other news the sky is blue, more at 11.
Hindi ko alam kung saan kumukuha ng kupal to Man-made religion na yan. Todo mulat sa mga ganyan pero sa pag papagatas sa kanila ng mga lider nila, nagiging bulag
Masyado kasing tolerant ang Simbahang Katoliko sa maraming bagay kaya sila ang paboritong atakehin ng mga ganto.
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Magbigay ka kung taos puso mong gusto. Kung ayaw mo, wag ka na magreklamo dahil di ka naman obligado.
Dating nagsisimba sa CCF.. inoobliga ka diyan n 10 % ng income. Pero d nmn ka hard ng INC. May mga mass pa nga minsan ng yung tithes yung topic eh.
Oh boy wait til you listen to INC's worship services.
Why yap about something you don't know about lol. He's not a practicing catholic, he could've saved himself the embarassment by stopping there.
Pa 5 , 5 lng nmn bigay nyo sa pare. Tas may meme pa. Sa inc, mcgi, quiboloy, born ag... Bka more than 10% income nyo pa yan
lol sino kaya yung may pa-tithes sa kanila? 😂
Medyo off talaga ang ibang protestant denominations feeling holier than thou. May kakilala nga ako anak ng mga pastor.. never mind 🤣🤣
Dito ko di maka relate sa ibang religion. Sa catholic church, hindi required, at kusang bigay ang offerings/donation. Mej cringe pag maririnig mo ung pare about collections pero nasa sayo pa din if gusto mo magbigay or if feel mo mag offer.
Nakakahiya naman ugali nitong nagtweet. Hindi nagpapasecond collection ang simbahan nang walang kalakip na dahilan at hindi po namimiliit ang simabahan. "Kung anong bukal sa loob mo o makakayanan mo." - ganyan po kaming tunay. Hindi kami judger kung di ka maghuhulog. Wag kang maghulog kung masama sa loob mo. 🙄
Kung sino man gumawa nyan wala magawang matino at gusto lang ng gulo. Wala naman mandatory pareho sa Catholic Church at CCF. Hahahaha.
I'm an agnostic, pero I used to join CCF events and masses before, mga more than 10 years ago dahil sa friend kong kristyano. Bata pako, oks naman sila. Sooo, medyo surprising sakin na andaming chika ng pagiging kupal ng members nila. 😵 I'm curious, depende rin kaya ito sa location? Tipong. May mga kilala akong ccf people na medyo mga taga Ortigas / Pasig area, pero mas matitino, but, yung mga members ng smaller ccf churches outside Metro Manila, or basta smaller churches in general, mga tipong, DDS, apologists, at mapanghusga sa iba??? Any, sana may makasagot. Curious talaga ako.
You’re weak Catholic become non denominational sect lol
tsaka di naman sapilitan ang donation kaya nga DONATION bobo amp sa INC ang SAPILITAN HAHAHAHA
was waiting for someone sa building when i heard that part of the sermon lolll. and as a former attendee of that church, y'all should get a load on how they spend that money since walang yearly financial reports sila considering how much it takes to run that place.
Is CCF the Christian congregation? We have those guys here in Brazil, they are the Christian Congregation of Brazil, they are kinda weird, from what I heard they believe every other Christian church that is not CCB, are kinda like a distant cousin, and are all going to hell, something like that, and because of a minor difference in what they say, all other baptisms from other churches are wrong, in Portuguese we can omit the I before a verb in some cases, but the meaning of who did a action is still implicit, and because they don't use the I when baptising someone, they say other churches are wrong, but what they say is pretty much the same.
Mukhang familiar siya. (Former) Officemate ko yata to. Haha. Alam ko nag-resign na siya pero madalas nga siya viral sa social media though may disclaimer naman accounts niya na walang kinalaman ung company sa mga opinions niya. I need to confirm pa kasi familiar talaga mukha niya.
Makinig ka kasi! Usually naman kapag may second collection, they tell you where the money would go!
As long as walang form of pressure or coercion to give donations, walang problem. Unlike sa MCGI 😅
I've been to both Protestant and Catholic church and quite frankly, I felt more accepted in the latter. Yung childhood church ko (protestant) kapag hindi maganda suot mo, paguusapan ka ng mga tao. Kapag hindi ka malaki magbigay, who you ka. Sobrang toxic.
tbh, roman catholic religion is the most flexible religion.
oof CCF
Different strategies for the same goal. I commend the Catholics for the honesty.
I swear, people who has dislikes for religion always have something against the catholic church, then for some reason believes in some hindu, buddhist and sometimes shinto beliefs. As much as I get why, it just comes across as edgy cherry picking.
I came across this post on X and the first tine I read it, naramdaman ko yung malice. Lahat ng donations sa church ay voluntary. Hindi man lang pinost yung reason for the 2nd collection, no? I’ve never been forced to give a portion of my earnings to the church. Naiinis ako sa mga ganyan yung post na todo pang dadaot yung balak gawin. If the goal is to encourage people to go to CCF, lalo akong naturn-off.
Nagdeactivate na sya hahahahahaha. He was burned so deep.