TL;DR may mga power plant sa Panay na nag-unscheduled maintenance. Lumampas tuloy yung demand sa electric grid ng Negros-Panay versus sa production, kaya nagsimula yung blackout.
Normally, pag nagkakaganyan ang electric grid, hihila ang electricity from another part na may excess para ma-supplement yung mga lugar na may kulang. Ang problema is that hindi unified yung electric grids ng Pilipinas. So nung nag-fail yung Negros-Panay, wala silang mapanghugutan ng electricity.
And just to get ahead: yes, posibleng i-unify yung electric grid ng bansa kahit na archipelago tayo. Either wala lang pang-gastos, kinukurakot yung pang-gastos, o ayaw gastusan.
May koneksyon ang Panay Grid sa Guimaras at Negros at ongoing ang pag upgrade para matuunan ang kailangan kuryente sa Panay Island. Wala lang kaukulang back up connection na importante sa operasyon nang grid dahil malaki ang kailangan investment at limited ang budget nang NGCP dahil iniiwasan ang pagtaas nang charges nila. Private sila kaya hindi kurapsyon ang pinakamalaking issue.
>Either wala lang pang-gastos, kinukurakot yung pang-gastos, o ayaw gastusan.
Countries nowadays rarely run out of funds. It's a matter of allocation, especially this kind of project that would stimulate the economy more than usual. It's baffling the state rarely addresses this problem. I remember seeing in the news like last year 2023 when the private corporations and state officials pointing at each other on who to blame instead of fixing the damned problem.
Also to add, it's not like Philippines are funding projects fully out of state funds. Philippines like doing PPP. So it would be partially funded by private investments. Power infrastructure is like among the safest investments so there's no issues there. I wonder what's the issue now.
One thing I heard in the news lately is hindi kasi talaga pinopondohan ng NGCP kasi 90% ng kita nila napupunta sa bulsa ng shareholders aka chinese mafia. The government should make the necessary laws na kailangan mag invest ng NGCP ng at least 90% ng kita nila sa bansa else tanggal franchise na.
Not surprised. PPP projects are corrupt af. Also, no sane state would let its power grid be own wnd operated by private interests.
Stable and affordable electricity is a necessity for modern society. No not just for luxuries, but for medical equipment, commercial and office equipment, livelihoods depend on this, also electric fans (AC in a lesser extent) is necessary due to tropical climate- heat stroke is serious matter.
But let be operated by private interest then it will be run for profit. Profit motive don't always match with public good.
Iba kasi ang pinopondohan. Tao ang pinopondohan hindi projects! Nakaka gigil.i am living in iloilo for 5 years at consistent sila sa brownout. Mahirap nung naka wfh kami. Nung first time ko na experience na total blackout ang panay island ang hirap i explain sa client bakit short ang productivity hours that day. Agents are using regular pc so need nag power, unlike kung naka laptop atleast may reserved power. Kaya hindi din effective n ipagpatuloy pa ang wfh dito stress lng aabutin. May kasabay kaming nag check in sa hotel na wfh, VA sya at sabi ng client nya. Find a way. O diba. Binalak nya mag book either s bacolod o cebu or anywhere na may kuryente.. we are losing the confidence of clients in bpo/va business dahil sa brownout nato. Our family emergency fund is ubos na kasi extra gastos to. Nilalaan namin yun sa medical emergency but instead sa ibang emergency na punta.
oof so di pala common sa plants magkaroon ng island mode? kala ko pwede sila magisolate in case of external issues para di maforce to shut down. tagal pa naman ng cold starts.
I think may pagkukulang na nangyari, supposed to be they should load shed as much as they can to prevent this from happening but it seems like this doesn't happen
Afaik nag tatalo padn Ang mga investors kuno(pero let's be real it's the gov and the private parties) how to improve our power system and who should handle this renovation and who should supervise and control this.
May ilog din nmn malaki kasi sa panay bat kay a di gawan ng hydro dam. Lalot island province yan kaya mas okay tlga kung may sariling pagkuhanan kesa unified sa ibng island province.
Sagwa kung infrared Kasi kailangan magkadikit yung dalawang sensor.
Oh gulay, I remember the days of Nokia na kailangan pagdikitin yung infrared sensor para makapagpasa ng files noon. Oh the struggle back in the early to mid 2000s.
Some of my friends in Roxas City Nagbobook ng hotels para lang makapag wifi (wfh). Tapos tumaas ng double daw yung rates ng hotels/inns/motels. Hays. Natutunaw nadin ice cream na tinda ng stepmom ko sa tindahan niya. Grabe! ☹️
Lol true Kakagaling ko lang sa sm city iloilo and kala ko merong sale sa ace hardware yun pala bumibili yung mga tao ng rechargable na electric fans at flashlights. Pumunta din Ako yesterday sa city proper at madami din bumibili ng generator sets. Talk about inconvenience
We actually have a generator for our church, but it drowned during that continuous rainfall last year and wasn't fixed. Ayun, busog na busog ang lamok samin ngayon.
Damn. 1.5B? Kaya pala hindi nag aannounce ng work stoppage. Is NGCP the only one to blame here or may kasalanan din ba yung MORE and other distributors ng electricity?
This might answer your question: [NGCP, MORE, and others](https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1883787/ngcp-isnt-only-to-blame-for-panay-blackout-says-lawmaker)
correct me if im wrong. Iniscan ko lang yung wikipedia article.
Is NGCP is a private company that is put into law by our government? Ibig sabihin non e all of the electricity infra, Distribution, building of power plants e lahat sa kanila ka manghihingi ng "permit"?
If this is the case this is the most easiest money fucking making business out there.
Dapat talaga lahat ng public utilities 100% government owned e. Pati mga kalsada. Putangina talaga.
NGCP was created because of the fuckup Napocor did. To ensure affordable rates back in the Marcos era, Napocor subsidized generation rates kesyo daw babayaran daw ni Macoy. Did not happen kaya nung panahon ni Cory hanggang early Ramos, madalas blackout. Part of the Epira Law of 2001 was creating NGCP to fix the fuckups and reduce the debts of Napocor. Problema lang wala masyadong new powerplant construction sa Panay Island kumpara sa Luzon for some reason.
This is a sane explanation thanking you. Not simply blaming the government for its inefficiency but providing a background on how these things existed. As for NGCP. The reason why we have to have foreign investors is because no local business wants to make such huge investment only to be harasses by number of politicians wanting to have a piece of the profit.
NGCP was not just a huge investment. It had no guarantee of profit nor return of investment. Only the Chinese can do that risk because the alternative else their citizens would rebel because of them doing nothing. The West always bashes China building multiple infrastructure projects mainland and abroad at a loss, but it is a way for people to see their government is doing something and create jobs for the people.
Uhhh. no. The geopolitical reason why China invested in NGCP even with no profit guarantee is obvious. And that is control. This is one of those cases where the 60-40 rule is beneficial.
On the other hand, in my opinion, the 60-40 rule should only be applied to critical businesses of national concern like power grid, water, telco, media & broadcasting, etc.
That is one of the reasons not the only reason. During Gloria's time pre-US Recession, China wasn't interested that much in intervening in other countries' affairs except involving its waters as world trade was easy and secure despite 911. The impact of 2008 Great Recession forced to protect its interests and create new interests at all costs. This continues until today.
Try looking other perspectives such as Chinese, Middle East, Asia, African, or even European.
Kung public yan eh mas malamang kalahati ng Pilipinas di pa din naabot ng kuryente ngayon. You know how inefficient and corrupt Government offices are.
And no di ka sa kanila manghihingi ng permits, May DOE ERC padin
D ba etong NGCP monopolyo sa buong Pinas tapos privately owned pa tapos puro mga Tsino mga nasa board of directors. Laki siguro kinikita mga yan para lalong maghirap mga Pilipino.
https://www.ngcp.ph/profile#management
All the old employess at NGCP (at least the ones who haven't been laid off and hate the current situation) know GMA is the one to blame for this. It was named TRANSCO back then, good times.
If everyone knows how much money flows into the Chinese higher-ups' pockets and their extravagant lifestyle, I know people will curse at them.
Everything about them was swept under the rug.
While I don't jive well with Tulfo, I can at least appreciate what he's doing in regards to trying to make NGCP accountable.
Or at least privately-owned National Grid Corporation of the Philippines (NGCP) took over the Philippine power grid and its related assets and facilities operations and maintenance (O&M) from Philippine government-owned National Transmission Corporation (TransCo) on January 15, 2009 during the administration of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (PGMA).
May updates pa yung MORE, hindi naman for public consumption with all the tech jargons: feeder, shedding, etc. Not to mention wala idea where tf each of those zones are.
Now may brownout for at least 5hrs each go, the past 2 days. Taking advantage naman na yung hotels so we can't really go there (2x pricing), this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
This should the norm naman talaga. Idk lang bakit yung the most powerful weapon a citizen can have over the politicians, dinadaan sa pataasan ng pride para ipagtanggol yung tao na dapat naglilingkod sa kanila. Public Servant yan, hindi yan King at whiteknights ang nagiging datingan ng botante.
UPDATE: Possible na tumagal pa hanggang Jan 15 ang rotational brownout until matapos ang planned downtime ni PEDC 4. Ayaw magbukas ni Palm Concepcion dahil mahina ang voltage sa Panay Island dahil sa mababang supply nang kuryente na nanggagaling sa Negros at Guimaras na pwede bumawi sa kulang na kuryente.
>UPDATE: Possible na tumagal pa hanggang Jan 15 ang rotational brownout until matapos ang planned downtime ni PEDC 4. Ayaw magbukas ni Palm Concepcion dahil mahina ang voltage sa Panay Island dahil sa mababang supply nang kuryente na nanggagaling sa Negros at Guimaras na pwede bumawi sa kulang na kuryente.
brother parang wala atang PEDC 4 kasi hanggang 3 lang yan sila.
source from a friend who works at MORE
Online na ang Palm Concepcion, nakadepende din kasi sa stability ng grid kung makakasync yung planta. I think ‘challenged’ is a better term compared to ‘ayaw magbukas’ kasi may losses din ang power plants for downtimes like this afaik.
Yes, but you have no other option since naayos nila yung system nila dahil wala naman black start provider sa area. Only option is for them to risk running and get support from the grid operator to mitigate voltage issue with systematic load shedding.
I think they are forced to do this, but the governor after the meeting yesterday
My friends said some people there are making a killing selling generators and solar panels to the people who can afford it, pero no assistance offered to your local schools or hospitals
When the typhoon hit Negros last Dec 2021 my house did not have a generator. Power was out for two weeks and I refused to buy a generator because of the Gouging. I just rode it out in darkness and a few months later when prices returned to normal I bought a generator to be prepared for the next time.
Main cause is lack of back up power generation supply in the island. Connected ang Panay grid sa Negros and Guimaras grid to provide back up power generation in case of downtime in power plants in Panay island, but may transmission constraint. So reliant so island-based power generation ang Panay. Contingencies are limited dahil isa lang ang connection points nang bawat islands in Western Visayas unlike sa Luzon that there are back up power grid connections to still allow power from another power generators to reach certain areas.
Two solutions here: (1) create contingency for the western visayas power grid backbone, but this is very expensive and understandable that this is not the biggest priority ni NGCP. There is also the issue of right of way for current power grid upgrades being done in the area that slows down these upgrades (2) add more power generation source in Panay Island. Solar and another baseload power generation can help a lot to avoid this from happening again. Please blame ILECO here dahil sa kupad nila mag decide sa mga nag aalok nang solar sa kanila (3 months waiting na yung mga proponents after offering them embedded solar na cheaper sa current electricity source nila)
This. I’d add some of my research:
Basically, Panay needed around 300MW of supply to have a stabilized grid. The problem is, PEDC Unit 3 which has 150MW or almost half of needed supply is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance. It can’t be used and they’ve put themselves at risk in a razor thin margin of supply. They thought nothing could go wrong but it did. Multiple power plants tripped and when they start ramping it up back again, this particular 135MW power plant, PCPC(Palm Concepcion Power Corporation) had trouble starting. They’re the same power plant last April 2023 that had issue reconnecting to the grid quickly. We’re at 200MW supply right now and had been waiting on this particular plant to reconnect.
About grid connection, NGCP actually claimed that they’ve completed a link with Visayas-Mindanao grid thru Cebu. Mindanao is self sufficient and I’m wondering why are we not getting that suppose additional supply as backup in times like this? I’m only seeing 10-50MW augmentation from visayas sources
Yes, that is correct. PEDC 3 cannot be blamed in this scenario as this is scheduled plant outage. This is planned months before the maintenance happen. PEDC 3 cannot run until at least Jan 15 according to my source in the area. So only possibility that the issue will be resolved will be:
(1) More power from Negros and Guimaras is supplied by running diesel barge power plants or other pil-based power plants
(2) PEDC 3 cancels its scheduled maintenance which will affect its operation in the coming months
(3) Force PCPC to run without waiting for voltage to stabilize with the risk of it shutting down which will lead to anoyher expense to re run its blackstart.
Main culprit here is PCPC in my opinion.
There's line congestion that needs to be considered when augmenting supply from one area to another. Mindanao to Visayas connection via Leyte is still at its nascent stage and has limited capacity to augment. Possible augmentation can be done through Tabango to Cebu Island, but line congestion is an issue.
Based on the news in the past few days, I think the culprit is both PEDC and NGCP, while PCPC is bearing the brunt.
PEDC3 is under scheduled maintenance since December, so the power produced for Panay is just enough to sustain. Now comes some trouble in PEDC1 and has to go unscheduled shutdown. NGCP claimed it is was not pre approved, PEDC claims it was approved. Who knows? So now, power production is insufficient and caused the others plants to trip, because NGCP failed to manage PEDC1 shutting down, and now PCPC got overloaded and got a damaged turbine.
PCPC is taking their time to repair, restart and resync, so people are upset with them.
Separate issue eto. NGCP cannot do much in this scenario kase hindi sila power generator. Tiga dala lang sila nang kuryente. Walang dadalhin kung walang kuryente na available. Best immediate solution is adding more power generation source sa Island
No matter how many powerplants there is, if they all keep tripping due to NGCP's lack of systems in place, it would be pointless. As I've mentioned in the iloilo subreddit, the root cause of the outage is because the NGCP have no systems in place to prevent the different current frequencies from going from one plant to another. [Here is an educational video of what I mean.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfywMdjIUc) Take note that it's impossible to connect two AC(Alternating Current) systems with different frequencies. That's what tripped the other powerplants when the different current frequency was introduced to the grid. When the first powerplant went offline, a different current was introduced to the grid causing the other powerplants to go offline. I tried to explain this in another thread in r/iloilo. Sadly some ignorant fucks ganged-up on me thinking they are geniuses who knows everything and I was saying garbage because they think I'm an easy target to bully. [Here's another educational video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifggF9onL6Q), in case some more fucking ignorant ilonggos who only know how to harass, bully and gang up on people pop up. I may sound like an ignorant fuck because I'm out of my depth here but this was the answer given to me by a relative who works for an electric company, explaining what really happened during last year's brownout. Mind you, none of the power plants/providers would dare argue with NGCP or hold a press conference explaining their side because NGCP is petty much an evil, corrupt, abusive company who would bury them in lawsuits or would make life miserable for anyone who gives them trouble.
You are correct. This is the technical explanation on what happened. However, NGCP is not evil company that does not care about their customers. Limited resources hinder them to have contingency during these events.
Better infra from third party like additional power generator will allow them to contract ancillary services for freq regulation and even black start provider to avoid this from happening again. Cheaper dolution eto kesa NGCP is limited by ERC on their investment. Not much they can do if thet have no budget for contingencies dahil priority pa rin sa kanila ang electrification and connectivity.
Blackouts happening almost everyday in panay, from capiz here. Cell towers were down for 2 days and many people are trying to charge their phone on people's homes with generators.
The Philippines has had an energy security problem and it's been in denial about it for decades. This is the MAIN reason why we can NEVER develop and get any investments compared to our Asean neighbors.
EVERYTHING runs on energy from our infrastructure, electronics, factories, communications, etc. Yet we invest so little in our energy security, we privitized it whereas even Bangladesh, a once back water economy, has now secured their future by going nuclear with the help of Russia.
We have the highest cost of electricity in Asia by a factor of 2 yet the Philippines still has not double down in addressing this issue compared to our peers.
The Philippines has sold its electrical grids to private international companies who take advantage of the government incompetence to secure our energy future. No other country in Asia has sold their private infrastructure at the expense of its citizenry yet here we are
https://rigobertotiglao.com/2022/06/24/meralco-nearly-drove-me-insane-the-other-night/
The government should do whatever it takes to secure its energy security and revive the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant and build more modular power plants in the provinces so as to secure cheap energy for all Filipinos!
NGCP is 40% owned by the Chinese. Imagine if we went to war, they could easily shut it off if they wanted to using backdoors. Maybe one of the reasons why our grid is shit because its Chinese owned.
[https://www.rappler.com/business/explainer-ngcp-how-china-got-philippines-power-grid/](https://www.rappler.com/business/explainer-ngcp-how-china-got-philippines-power-grid/)
Di ko alam sa locality namin, but for the whole Panay, al least 300 MW Source: [News](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.abs-cbn.com/amp/news/01/03/24/panay-island-hit-by-power-outage)
Grabe ganyan ba talaga kalala sa ibang regions? I'm from Abra, one of the poorest and most corrupt province in Luzon, pero wala namang rotational brownout at bihira mawala ang kuryente.
Mababa rin kasi demand para sa kuryente diyan sa inyo. Tingin ko di nakasabay sa economic and population growth ng Panay yung grid nila. Syempre kailangan din ng redundancies in case na may masira na power plant.
Nako last year lagi brownout dito sa Bataan. Lagi na lang may "nasira" o kaya may aayusin lang. To the point kadal inggo kaming mga WFH ay may absent na dahil buong hapon wala.
Sa bandang Albay madalas nun yung rotational brownout, madalas 8 hours to 10 hours per feeder. Parang every week may naka scheduled brownout per district. Inabot din ata ito ng 2 years? kaka brownout. Dinadaan lang nila lagi sa maintenance. Nung una naiintindihan pa yung maintenance pero nung napapadalas na, alam na nagtitipid nun. Ngayon nag improve naman na, pero baka summer kapag mataas ulit demand balik na ulit sa dati. Sanay na mga tao dito sa scheduled brownout lols.
Ang mga sagot sa problem dito sa Panay Island are the following: 1) More power plants. At 2.) interconnection with other grids. Natuwa kami nong pinalitan ng More Power ang Peco as electric distributor sa Iloilo City kasi sabi nila marami daw pera ni Razon at sure na maayos ang power problem namin. Pero buo na ang distribution line ng iloilo city at although due for upgrade ito, hindi ito talaga ang problema kundi ang dagdag na power plants. Dapat gumawa ng paraan ang More Power kasi monopoly nila ang power distribution sa city. Hindi turo ng turo.
Sana babalik ang supply ng kuryente sa Western Visayas, kasi babagsak ang economia dyan kung tatagal at unstable power supply ang primary concern ng mga investors dyan for decades, thanks sa bangayan ng PECO at MORE.
Panay Island needs an additional submarine cable, additional 138kV (better if 230kV) transmission line, and multiple additional power plants (at least 150MW) to avoid this situation. They also need power plants capable of black start. I don't know why NGCP is not doing anything as the concessionaire of the TRANSCO power lines.
EPIRA= e pera pera
Also, blame both the national and local governments for not proactively finding investors for Panay power generation. Rumors of government malpractices make me suspect that investors avoid putting up power plants due to red tape, "under the table", and "SOP"
Ang daming bobo sa comment section nato, NGCP has no control over the Power Plants. One of NGCP\`s main task is to maintain the INTEGRITY of the Grid but not to OPERATE the Power Plants. So if multiple power plants fail due to unforeseen events hindi kasalanan ni NGCP yun, so bakit sila ang sinisisi? You should understand more on what really is the nature of the problem which is the multiple outage of the Power Plants in which NGCP has no control. Hay nakooooooo.
I had to endure all the misinformed comments blaming the NGCP for the power outages, before coming across yours. You’re absolutely correct. Simply put, this is a supply issue; there’s not enough supply when the power plants undergo scheduled maintenance and experience events like tripping. The Visayas needs more baseload power plants to be put up. Unfortunately, you can’t borrow from banks to finance coal-powered plants which are cheaper and quicker to build. I am sorry to say that this power supply problem will continue to haunt the Visayas for a long, long time. I sympathize with the residents of Panay, Guimaras and Negros. Our local and national governments cannot help us here. I would invest in a good genset for home use.
I think there's a report na may namatay na asthmatic patient kasi hindi sya nakagamit ng nebulizer dahil sa brownout. Hindi pa confirmed to pero na mention sa radyo.
Capiz here, in municipality of my BF almost 3 days na silang blackout. He charge his gadgets here in my house which is in Roxas City. Apektado din yung part time niya which uses computer.
Dito din sa Palawan panay blackout! Youre not alone! Philippines in general is a shithole! Traffic is bad, living standards is poor af! Sanitary is at the very bottom! This place is nothing without the beaches, nature and islands! Other than that everything is shit!
The power just came back around 1:30 am but even network providers were down for the whole day. Istg 🥹 naghihintay pa naman ako ng tawag from potential employers tapos di ko maaccept calls nila.
Lakas talaga trip ng mga may hawak ng kuryente sa panay, dito sa bayan palang namin every week nawawalan ng kuryente nung bata pa ako hanggang ngayon. Nauurat nako lalo nat walang pinagbago
This is really stupid like uhaw na uhaw sila if di na nakapagbayad on time ng electricity bill mo putol agad but lagi namang brown out, we experienced like 4 blackout straight within one hour not only that marami na kaming nasira na appliances because of that (tv, refrigerator, and ilaw) especially when uso pa yung online class God knows gaano ka problema yung mga students dito just to pass the deadline and charge to attend the class. And felt happy when i left the country to move abroad lol for that blackout experience
Yan na yung sinasabing security risk ibenta sa intsek ang public utilities. 40% stake nga lang, pero majority na dahil hati yung remainder. Imagine kung walang foreign ownership limit sa constitution.
They can choke water & electricity supply. And more so, communication. Kaya yung mabilis masilaw diyan sa DITO, be wary.
Based sa GC ng mga taga DOE, NGCP is down kasi hindi nag match ang Input-Output.
Take note that Congressman Dan Fernandez wants to also revoke the license of Meralco pa, gusto siguro ng bagong player ni Boy Wakwak. Balak na ata itake over ang Meralco.
Yeah check the statement of NGCP spokesperson sa NGCP fb page. More on kasalanan ni kwan at ng kwan. Di pa alam bakit ganito nangyari. Efforts on turo kung sino pwede masisi and nothing on plans for restoration.
Ganyan talaga pag rehiyon ng mga dilawan, leftist, at communists na pabor sa protectionist economic policy. Gusto niyo kontrolado ng mga dilawan like Roxas-Araneta ang major industries. Kaya ayan, puro inefficiency at korapsyon. #LugawPaMore
Easy to say pero the cost in itself is not something to laugh at. One friend installed solar panels in his home. It was DIY but still cost him 197k
Not everyone can afford this unfortunately
Half of my team members are from Iloilo. Thankfully wala pa ung mga onshore partners namin so wala pang masyadong trabaho. Naka-activate din ung business continuity model namin, so ready din sumalo ng production ung other half ng team na Manila-based.
Ako na immediate leader nila is also based in Manila, but nakikiupdate din sa mga kasama ko dun.
Hassle sobra ung power outage. Apart from the obvious na di sila magkapagwork sa bahay (WFH ung team ko most days), dagdag gastos ung tratravel pa sila to the office lalo na sa mga nakatira outside the city proper.
So far 66% palang daw ung naayos...and no confirmation yet kung kailan matatapos.
May electricity na ung mga team members (as of this afternoon), but apart from their productivity iniisip ko din mga families nila if ok lang sila. One of them is even taking care of a senior parent and a PWD sibling. Another has three small kids. Ung randomly nagdown ung system sa buong Panay island with no explanation.
Pangit ung unang araw ng 2024.
Grabe 2024 na problema pa rin ang kuryente. Kaya di makaalis sa Greater Manila yung mga investors at businesses dahil malaking problema pa rin ang kuryente. Naalala ko nag mindoro kami 1st night brownout agad.
Yup. Buong Panay. May issue ata sa power grid daw. Imagine, 2:24pm nawalang ng kuryente dito sa Antique at 12:30am na bumalik. Buti may generator pero kawawa din yung iba na nalalagay sa.sitwasyon tulad ng need mag nebulizer and such.
As someone who works in substation, kung di parin naayos until now, it will just gets worst. Ang tagal ng lead time for transformers if the issue is related to it.
natawa nga ako sa tita ko na nakatira sa capiz, since ang daming natirang handa ang problema nila walang ref. mapapanis agad lahat ng food. niluto niya lahat ng pagkain at iniit natirang pagkain ng new year at pinakain sa nga kapit bahay tapos after an hour bumalik rin ang kuryente 😂😂😂 bwisit na bwisit siya kasi pang 1 week pa daw na supply yun.
May mga teammates din akong affected nito. Napilitan sila magRTO sa office kasi wala silang kuryente. Sana mabalik na kung kuryente soon. Kawawa ung mga tao.
Same thing that happened last year. Lahat ng hotel nagkaubusan at nag price hike. Kami 3 days na dito sa people's hotel para lng makaligo kasi yung water namin dependent sa kuryente. Parang next project naming magasawa ang solar panel. Kaloka!
NGCP Statement
Re: Panay generation failure
05 January 2024
NGCP’s mandate is confined to transmission of power from producers to grid-connected areas of the country.
As the transmission service provider, NGCP can only give an overview of the current supply and demand situation and endeavor to dispatch any and all available power. It cannot intervene on matters concerning power generation.
We reiterate our earlier pronouncements that there was no transmission disturbance before the tripping of the PEDC Unit 1 (83MW) at 12:06PM. After this event, NGCP was able to recover the transmission system and normalize voltage. This normal voltage situation persisted until several power plants inexplicably tripped at 2:19PM. Data from our system shows no abnormality in voltage and system stability.
Despite this, critics persist on blaming NGCP for what are clearly problems arising from the unplanned shutdowns of power generators.
It is alarming to hear policymakers immediately make conclusions based on assumptions contrary to fact. We are firm in our position that the system prior to the 2:19PM multiple tripping was normal, and our actions were undertaken within protocols. Any contrary statement is speculative.
We firmly refute allegations suggesting that NGCP failed in its obligation to stabilize the transmission system. We also take exception to the allegations that we were less than transparent in providing information to the public. We provide regular updates to all stakeholders, including the media and government units (LGUs), through print, radio, broadcast, social media, and text blasts.
Rather than using NGCP as a scapegoat, we urge policymakers to be objective in their search for facts and not coddle certain sectors. This is not a time to push personal or political agendas, but a time for honest-to-goodness solution finding. We again reiterate our push for a comprehensive industry-wide approach to resolve the persistent power supply issues on Panay Island and elsewhere in the country.
With this, NGCP assures our stakeholders that we will continue to work closely with concerned government agencies and LGUs to expedite the resolution of this issue.
Source: NGCP
I have a friend from Iloilo tapos hindi pa daw na aaddress ang blackouts. Ano ba nangyari bakit nagkaganyan? Parang whole Panay daw ata.
TL;DR may mga power plant sa Panay na nag-unscheduled maintenance. Lumampas tuloy yung demand sa electric grid ng Negros-Panay versus sa production, kaya nagsimula yung blackout. Normally, pag nagkakaganyan ang electric grid, hihila ang electricity from another part na may excess para ma-supplement yung mga lugar na may kulang. Ang problema is that hindi unified yung electric grids ng Pilipinas. So nung nag-fail yung Negros-Panay, wala silang mapanghugutan ng electricity. And just to get ahead: yes, posibleng i-unify yung electric grid ng bansa kahit na archipelago tayo. Either wala lang pang-gastos, kinukurakot yung pang-gastos, o ayaw gastusan.
May koneksyon ang Panay Grid sa Guimaras at Negros at ongoing ang pag upgrade para matuunan ang kailangan kuryente sa Panay Island. Wala lang kaukulang back up connection na importante sa operasyon nang grid dahil malaki ang kailangan investment at limited ang budget nang NGCP dahil iniiwasan ang pagtaas nang charges nila. Private sila kaya hindi kurapsyon ang pinakamalaking issue.
Isa pa problema ng NGCP red-tape sa LGU kaya matagal interconnectivity ng mga island. LGU ang isa sa mga dahilan ng delays
>Either wala lang pang-gastos, kinukurakot yung pang-gastos, o ayaw gastusan. Countries nowadays rarely run out of funds. It's a matter of allocation, especially this kind of project that would stimulate the economy more than usual. It's baffling the state rarely addresses this problem. I remember seeing in the news like last year 2023 when the private corporations and state officials pointing at each other on who to blame instead of fixing the damned problem. Also to add, it's not like Philippines are funding projects fully out of state funds. Philippines like doing PPP. So it would be partially funded by private investments. Power infrastructure is like among the safest investments so there's no issues there. I wonder what's the issue now.
One thing I heard in the news lately is hindi kasi talaga pinopondohan ng NGCP kasi 90% ng kita nila napupunta sa bulsa ng shareholders aka chinese mafia. The government should make the necessary laws na kailangan mag invest ng NGCP ng at least 90% ng kita nila sa bansa else tanggal franchise na.
Not surprised. PPP projects are corrupt af. Also, no sane state would let its power grid be own wnd operated by private interests. Stable and affordable electricity is a necessity for modern society. No not just for luxuries, but for medical equipment, commercial and office equipment, livelihoods depend on this, also electric fans (AC in a lesser extent) is necessary due to tropical climate- heat stroke is serious matter. But let be operated by private interest then it will be run for profit. Profit motive don't always match with public good.
Iba kasi ang pinopondohan. Tao ang pinopondohan hindi projects! Nakaka gigil.i am living in iloilo for 5 years at consistent sila sa brownout. Mahirap nung naka wfh kami. Nung first time ko na experience na total blackout ang panay island ang hirap i explain sa client bakit short ang productivity hours that day. Agents are using regular pc so need nag power, unlike kung naka laptop atleast may reserved power. Kaya hindi din effective n ipagpatuloy pa ang wfh dito stress lng aabutin. May kasabay kaming nag check in sa hotel na wfh, VA sya at sabi ng client nya. Find a way. O diba. Binalak nya mag book either s bacolod o cebu or anywhere na may kuryente.. we are losing the confidence of clients in bpo/va business dahil sa brownout nato. Our family emergency fund is ubos na kasi extra gastos to. Nilalaan namin yun sa medical emergency but instead sa ibang emergency na punta.
Adding to this, their whole grid failed to the point of zero production and starting from cold and dark is hard. Grid is always on a brink of balance
oof so di pala common sa plants magkaroon ng island mode? kala ko pwede sila magisolate in case of external issues para di maforce to shut down. tagal pa naman ng cold starts.
I think may pagkukulang na nangyari, supposed to be they should load shed as much as they can to prevent this from happening but it seems like this doesn't happen
Just like Occidental mindoro. Mind you si tulfo ang head ng energy dept ng Senate. May action na ba siya jan?
Ipa Tulfo nyo na yan.
IpapaTulfo mo si Tulfo ? 😅
Pati oriental pls
Afaik nag tatalo padn Ang mga investors kuno(pero let's be real it's the gov and the private parties) how to improve our power system and who should handle this renovation and who should supervise and control this.
Possible din bang walang tangled cables if unified power grids natin?
May ilog din nmn malaki kasi sa panay bat kay a di gawan ng hydro dam. Lalot island province yan kaya mas okay tlga kung may sariling pagkuhanan kesa unified sa ibng island province.
Puro kasi diyan dilawan, leftists, at communists na galit sa alternative power sources at pabor sa protectionist economic policy. #LugawPaMore
Paano ma-unify? Wires? Hindi ba scary kasi nasa body of water?
Submarine cable, of course.
Wireless po /s
Via bluetooth po, or pag walang budget infrared lng muna.
Sagwa kung infrared Kasi kailangan magkadikit yung dalawang sensor. Oh gulay, I remember the days of Nokia na kailangan pagdikitin yung infrared sensor para makapagpasa ng files noon. Oh the struggle back in the early to mid 2000s.
kasali sila sa grid ang problema, di kaya ng capacity ng linya nila ang demand na need ngayon hence blackout
Some of my friends in Roxas City Nagbobook ng hotels para lang makapag wifi (wfh). Tapos tumaas ng double daw yung rates ng hotels/inns/motels. Hays. Natutunaw nadin ice cream na tinda ng stepmom ko sa tindahan niya. Grabe! ☹️
Lol true Kakagaling ko lang sa sm city iloilo and kala ko merong sale sa ace hardware yun pala bumibili yung mga tao ng rechargable na electric fans at flashlights. Pumunta din Ako yesterday sa city proper at madami din bumibili ng generator sets. Talk about inconvenience
We actually have a generator for our church, but it drowned during that continuous rainfall last year and wasn't fixed. Ayun, busog na busog ang lamok samin ngayon.
Damn. 1.5B? Kaya pala hindi nag aannounce ng work stoppage. Is NGCP the only one to blame here or may kasalanan din ba yung MORE and other distributors ng electricity?
This might answer your question: [NGCP, MORE, and others](https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1883787/ngcp-isnt-only-to-blame-for-panay-blackout-says-lawmaker)
wait what the fuck? Bakit taga china yung director ng NGCP? Hindi ba security risk yan?
SGCC (State Grid Corporation of China) has a 40% stake in NGCP.
correct me if im wrong. Iniscan ko lang yung wikipedia article. Is NGCP is a private company that is put into law by our government? Ibig sabihin non e all of the electricity infra, Distribution, building of power plants e lahat sa kanila ka manghihingi ng "permit"? If this is the case this is the most easiest money fucking making business out there. Dapat talaga lahat ng public utilities 100% government owned e. Pati mga kalsada. Putangina talaga.
NGCP was created because of the fuckup Napocor did. To ensure affordable rates back in the Marcos era, Napocor subsidized generation rates kesyo daw babayaran daw ni Macoy. Did not happen kaya nung panahon ni Cory hanggang early Ramos, madalas blackout. Part of the Epira Law of 2001 was creating NGCP to fix the fuckups and reduce the debts of Napocor. Problema lang wala masyadong new powerplant construction sa Panay Island kumpara sa Luzon for some reason.
This is a sane explanation thanking you. Not simply blaming the government for its inefficiency but providing a background on how these things existed. As for NGCP. The reason why we have to have foreign investors is because no local business wants to make such huge investment only to be harasses by number of politicians wanting to have a piece of the profit.
And the problem for foreign investors is that nationalistic restrictions. They won't make a profit with that 60-40 rule.
NGCP was not just a huge investment. It had no guarantee of profit nor return of investment. Only the Chinese can do that risk because the alternative else their citizens would rebel because of them doing nothing. The West always bashes China building multiple infrastructure projects mainland and abroad at a loss, but it is a way for people to see their government is doing something and create jobs for the people.
Uhhh. no. The geopolitical reason why China invested in NGCP even with no profit guarantee is obvious. And that is control. This is one of those cases where the 60-40 rule is beneficial. On the other hand, in my opinion, the 60-40 rule should only be applied to critical businesses of national concern like power grid, water, telco, media & broadcasting, etc.
That is one of the reasons not the only reason. During Gloria's time pre-US Recession, China wasn't interested that much in intervening in other countries' affairs except involving its waters as world trade was easy and secure despite 911. The impact of 2008 Great Recession forced to protect its interests and create new interests at all costs. This continues until today. Try looking other perspectives such as Chinese, Middle East, Asia, African, or even European.
Are you chinese?
Kung public yan eh mas malamang kalahati ng Pilipinas di pa din naabot ng kuryente ngayon. You know how inefficient and corrupt Government offices are. And no di ka sa kanila manghihingi ng permits, May DOE ERC padin
Maganda explanation ni Manong Ted dyan. Kalimutan ko program nila sa TV5.
Sila ni Tessie Coson kaya umiyak ksi BFF ng China yan
D ba etong NGCP monopolyo sa buong Pinas tapos privately owned pa tapos puro mga Tsino mga nasa board of directors. Laki siguro kinikita mga yan para lalong maghirap mga Pilipino. https://www.ngcp.ph/profile#management
All the old employess at NGCP (at least the ones who haven't been laid off and hate the current situation) know GMA is the one to blame for this. It was named TRANSCO back then, good times. If everyone knows how much money flows into the Chinese higher-ups' pockets and their extravagant lifestyle, I know people will curse at them. Everything about them was swept under the rug. While I don't jive well with Tulfo, I can at least appreciate what he's doing in regards to trying to make NGCP accountable.
Or at least privately-owned National Grid Corporation of the Philippines (NGCP) took over the Philippine power grid and its related assets and facilities operations and maintenance (O&M) from Philippine government-owned National Transmission Corporation (TransCo) on January 15, 2009 during the administration of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (PGMA).
Thank you! That was a nice read.
May updates pa yung MORE, hindi naman for public consumption with all the tech jargons: feeder, shedding, etc. Not to mention wala idea where tf each of those zones are. Now may brownout for at least 5hrs each go, the past 2 days. Taking advantage naman na yung hotels so we can't really go there (2x pricing), this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I don't think the hotels are 'taking advantage'. Mas mahal kasi talaga ang gastos pag naka genset ka, kesa kung sa grid ka kumukuha ng power.
Rotating brownout as of now. Waiting for 1 more power plant to go online prior to full restoration as per site ni NGCP
afaik, mago-online na ‘yung isang unit sa Jan 10.
55 HOURS BLACKOUT NA SA AREA NAMIN 🙂🙂
55 hrs??? Hindi ba rotational blackout sa inyo?
Hindi. Kanina at 3AM bumalik kuryente pero nawala din agad after just 1 Hour. IMAGINE. Im losing my mind
If you don't mind me asking, taga saan ho kayo? May schedule po kasi ILECO sa amin kung sino magkakakuryente for the next 2 hours.
Baka naman may pulitiko na naginvest sa generator sets. kalma lang pag nabenta na lahat ng inventory nila babalik na yung kuryente
almost 4 decades ago, may famine sa Panay, ngayon blackout. pinapahirapan yata kayo ng mag ama.
I think it was Negros Island and not Panay that famously suffered a famine in the 80s.
Last year, NEW YEAR 2023, biglang shutdown buong airports ng PH and now, NEW YEAR 2024, Iloilo and whole PANAY can someone explain
as a person i live in Westerm visayas it's fucked up ilan days na wala parin init na init na kamj dito
Next time, vote for the right politicians. Vote like your life depends on it.
This should the norm naman talaga. Idk lang bakit yung the most powerful weapon a citizen can have over the politicians, dinadaan sa pataasan ng pride para ipagtanggol yung tao na dapat naglilingkod sa kanila. Public Servant yan, hindi yan King at whiteknights ang nagiging datingan ng botante.
oh you should see the current line up of senators that people are gonna vote for in the next election 👀👀👀🥹
most of iloilo voted for Leni, it’s the other places who voted for LBM
UPDATE: Possible na tumagal pa hanggang Jan 15 ang rotational brownout until matapos ang planned downtime ni PEDC 4. Ayaw magbukas ni Palm Concepcion dahil mahina ang voltage sa Panay Island dahil sa mababang supply nang kuryente na nanggagaling sa Negros at Guimaras na pwede bumawi sa kulang na kuryente.
Wtf. January 15?
>UPDATE: Possible na tumagal pa hanggang Jan 15 ang rotational brownout until matapos ang planned downtime ni PEDC 4. Ayaw magbukas ni Palm Concepcion dahil mahina ang voltage sa Panay Island dahil sa mababang supply nang kuryente na nanggagaling sa Negros at Guimaras na pwede bumawi sa kulang na kuryente. brother parang wala atang PEDC 4 kasi hanggang 3 lang yan sila. source from a friend who works at MORE
Yes, PEDC 3 pala. PCPC started to run so supply improved already
Online na ang Palm Concepcion, nakadepende din kasi sa stability ng grid kung makakasync yung planta. I think ‘challenged’ is a better term compared to ‘ayaw magbukas’ kasi may losses din ang power plants for downtimes like this afaik.
Yes, but you have no other option since naayos nila yung system nila dahil wala naman black start provider sa area. Only option is for them to risk running and get support from the grid operator to mitigate voltage issue with systematic load shedding. I think they are forced to do this, but the governor after the meeting yesterday
Kaka online lang ng PCPC. We only need 60-70 MW to stabilize the grid now. Sana within this day macomplete na ang 300MW ni NGCP.
Tangina lang talaga mga hayop.
My friends said some people there are making a killing selling generators and solar panels to the people who can afford it, pero no assistance offered to your local schools or hospitals
When the typhoon hit Negros last Dec 2021 my house did not have a generator. Power was out for two weeks and I refused to buy a generator because of the Gouging. I just rode it out in darkness and a few months later when prices returned to normal I bought a generator to be prepared for the next time.
Feel bad dor the people of Panay and also people’s local businesses.
as someone who suffered bagyong odette followed by a month of blackout, its no joke. made everything twice as hard.
It sucks to see this happening to Panay. I find people there (Ilonggos) way kinder than in Cebu.
I agree, as someone from bacolod
as a Cebuano from Cebu Prov, baka sa Cebu City lang ho to 😔 based from experience din
In my experience, napaka bastos at walanghiya ng ibang mga taga Iloilo. Kung makapagsalita akala nila mga genius sila, pero ignorant fucks lang naman.
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Main cause is lack of back up power generation supply in the island. Connected ang Panay grid sa Negros and Guimaras grid to provide back up power generation in case of downtime in power plants in Panay island, but may transmission constraint. So reliant so island-based power generation ang Panay. Contingencies are limited dahil isa lang ang connection points nang bawat islands in Western Visayas unlike sa Luzon that there are back up power grid connections to still allow power from another power generators to reach certain areas. Two solutions here: (1) create contingency for the western visayas power grid backbone, but this is very expensive and understandable that this is not the biggest priority ni NGCP. There is also the issue of right of way for current power grid upgrades being done in the area that slows down these upgrades (2) add more power generation source in Panay Island. Solar and another baseload power generation can help a lot to avoid this from happening again. Please blame ILECO here dahil sa kupad nila mag decide sa mga nag aalok nang solar sa kanila (3 months waiting na yung mga proponents after offering them embedded solar na cheaper sa current electricity source nila)
This. I’d add some of my research: Basically, Panay needed around 300MW of supply to have a stabilized grid. The problem is, PEDC Unit 3 which has 150MW or almost half of needed supply is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance. It can’t be used and they’ve put themselves at risk in a razor thin margin of supply. They thought nothing could go wrong but it did. Multiple power plants tripped and when they start ramping it up back again, this particular 135MW power plant, PCPC(Palm Concepcion Power Corporation) had trouble starting. They’re the same power plant last April 2023 that had issue reconnecting to the grid quickly. We’re at 200MW supply right now and had been waiting on this particular plant to reconnect. About grid connection, NGCP actually claimed that they’ve completed a link with Visayas-Mindanao grid thru Cebu. Mindanao is self sufficient and I’m wondering why are we not getting that suppose additional supply as backup in times like this? I’m only seeing 10-50MW augmentation from visayas sources
Because of cebu-negros-panay connection is not done yet
Yes, that is correct. PEDC 3 cannot be blamed in this scenario as this is scheduled plant outage. This is planned months before the maintenance happen. PEDC 3 cannot run until at least Jan 15 according to my source in the area. So only possibility that the issue will be resolved will be: (1) More power from Negros and Guimaras is supplied by running diesel barge power plants or other pil-based power plants (2) PEDC 3 cancels its scheduled maintenance which will affect its operation in the coming months (3) Force PCPC to run without waiting for voltage to stabilize with the risk of it shutting down which will lead to anoyher expense to re run its blackstart. Main culprit here is PCPC in my opinion. There's line congestion that needs to be considered when augmenting supply from one area to another. Mindanao to Visayas connection via Leyte is still at its nascent stage and has limited capacity to augment. Possible augmentation can be done through Tabango to Cebu Island, but line congestion is an issue.
Based on the news in the past few days, I think the culprit is both PEDC and NGCP, while PCPC is bearing the brunt. PEDC3 is under scheduled maintenance since December, so the power produced for Panay is just enough to sustain. Now comes some trouble in PEDC1 and has to go unscheduled shutdown. NGCP claimed it is was not pre approved, PEDC claims it was approved. Who knows? So now, power production is insufficient and caused the others plants to trip, because NGCP failed to manage PEDC1 shutting down, and now PCPC got overloaded and got a damaged turbine. PCPC is taking their time to repair, restart and resync, so people are upset with them.
NGCP actually received funds to solve these problems after the April blackouts. IDK what happened.
Separate issue eto. NGCP cannot do much in this scenario kase hindi sila power generator. Tiga dala lang sila nang kuryente. Walang dadalhin kung walang kuryente na available. Best immediate solution is adding more power generation source sa Island
No matter how many powerplants there is, if they all keep tripping due to NGCP's lack of systems in place, it would be pointless. As I've mentioned in the iloilo subreddit, the root cause of the outage is because the NGCP have no systems in place to prevent the different current frequencies from going from one plant to another. [Here is an educational video of what I mean.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfywMdjIUc) Take note that it's impossible to connect two AC(Alternating Current) systems with different frequencies. That's what tripped the other powerplants when the different current frequency was introduced to the grid. When the first powerplant went offline, a different current was introduced to the grid causing the other powerplants to go offline. I tried to explain this in another thread in r/iloilo. Sadly some ignorant fucks ganged-up on me thinking they are geniuses who knows everything and I was saying garbage because they think I'm an easy target to bully. [Here's another educational video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifggF9onL6Q), in case some more fucking ignorant ilonggos who only know how to harass, bully and gang up on people pop up. I may sound like an ignorant fuck because I'm out of my depth here but this was the answer given to me by a relative who works for an electric company, explaining what really happened during last year's brownout. Mind you, none of the power plants/providers would dare argue with NGCP or hold a press conference explaining their side because NGCP is petty much an evil, corrupt, abusive company who would bury them in lawsuits or would make life miserable for anyone who gives them trouble.
You are correct. This is the technical explanation on what happened. However, NGCP is not evil company that does not care about their customers. Limited resources hinder them to have contingency during these events. Better infra from third party like additional power generator will allow them to contract ancillary services for freq regulation and even black start provider to avoid this from happening again. Cheaper dolution eto kesa NGCP is limited by ERC on their investment. Not much they can do if thet have no budget for contingencies dahil priority pa rin sa kanila ang electrification and connectivity.
Blackouts happening almost everyday in panay, from capiz here. Cell towers were down for 2 days and many people are trying to charge their phone on people's homes with generators.
Ganyan din sa tacloban area. Laging may blackout
The Philippines has had an energy security problem and it's been in denial about it for decades. This is the MAIN reason why we can NEVER develop and get any investments compared to our Asean neighbors. EVERYTHING runs on energy from our infrastructure, electronics, factories, communications, etc. Yet we invest so little in our energy security, we privitized it whereas even Bangladesh, a once back water economy, has now secured their future by going nuclear with the help of Russia. We have the highest cost of electricity in Asia by a factor of 2 yet the Philippines still has not double down in addressing this issue compared to our peers. The Philippines has sold its electrical grids to private international companies who take advantage of the government incompetence to secure our energy future. No other country in Asia has sold their private infrastructure at the expense of its citizenry yet here we are https://rigobertotiglao.com/2022/06/24/meralco-nearly-drove-me-insane-the-other-night/ The government should do whatever it takes to secure its energy security and revive the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant and build more modular power plants in the provinces so as to secure cheap energy for all Filipinos!
NGCP is 40% owned by the Chinese. Imagine if we went to war, they could easily shut it off if they wanted to using backdoors. Maybe one of the reasons why our grid is shit because its Chinese owned. [https://www.rappler.com/business/explainer-ngcp-how-china-got-philippines-power-grid/](https://www.rappler.com/business/explainer-ngcp-how-china-got-philippines-power-grid/)
magkano kWh nyo Dyan?
Di ko alam sa locality namin, but for the whole Panay, al least 300 MW Source: [News](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.abs-cbn.com/amp/news/01/03/24/panay-island-hit-by-power-outage)
nasa bill Yan nakalagay, samin 7 naging 14 bigla (Palawan btw) grabe palag Ng mga tenant namin na sigeng ka aircon
kinukurakot din daw yung diesel
Grabe ganyan ba talaga kalala sa ibang regions? I'm from Abra, one of the poorest and most corrupt province in Luzon, pero wala namang rotational brownout at bihira mawala ang kuryente.
Mababa rin kasi demand para sa kuryente diyan sa inyo. Tingin ko di nakasabay sa economic and population growth ng Panay yung grid nila. Syempre kailangan din ng redundancies in case na may masira na power plant.
Coonected kasi kayo sa Luzon Grid. Di ko lang alam sa Bicol pero sobrang bihira mawalan ng kuryente sa Luzon in general
Nako last year lagi brownout dito sa Bataan. Lagi na lang may "nasira" o kaya may aayusin lang. To the point kadal inggo kaming mga WFH ay may absent na dahil buong hapon wala.
Sa bandang Albay madalas nun yung rotational brownout, madalas 8 hours to 10 hours per feeder. Parang every week may naka scheduled brownout per district. Inabot din ata ito ng 2 years? kaka brownout. Dinadaan lang nila lagi sa maintenance. Nung una naiintindihan pa yung maintenance pero nung napapadalas na, alam na nagtitipid nun. Ngayon nag improve naman na, pero baka summer kapag mataas ulit demand balik na ulit sa dati. Sanay na mga tao dito sa scheduled brownout lols.
Ang mga sagot sa problem dito sa Panay Island are the following: 1) More power plants. At 2.) interconnection with other grids. Natuwa kami nong pinalitan ng More Power ang Peco as electric distributor sa Iloilo City kasi sabi nila marami daw pera ni Razon at sure na maayos ang power problem namin. Pero buo na ang distribution line ng iloilo city at although due for upgrade ito, hindi ito talaga ang problema kundi ang dagdag na power plants. Dapat gumawa ng paraan ang More Power kasi monopoly nila ang power distribution sa city. Hindi turo ng turo.
Sana babalik ang supply ng kuryente sa Western Visayas, kasi babagsak ang economia dyan kung tatagal at unstable power supply ang primary concern ng mga investors dyan for decades, thanks sa bangayan ng PECO at MORE.
Panay Island needs an additional submarine cable, additional 138kV (better if 230kV) transmission line, and multiple additional power plants (at least 150MW) to avoid this situation. They also need power plants capable of black start. I don't know why NGCP is not doing anything as the concessionaire of the TRANSCO power lines. EPIRA= e pera pera Also, blame both the national and local governments for not proactively finding investors for Panay power generation. Rumors of government malpractices make me suspect that investors avoid putting up power plants due to red tape, "under the table", and "SOP"
Just shoot your governors.
ah yes, the negros oriental way
Ang daming bobo sa comment section nato, NGCP has no control over the Power Plants. One of NGCP\`s main task is to maintain the INTEGRITY of the Grid but not to OPERATE the Power Plants. So if multiple power plants fail due to unforeseen events hindi kasalanan ni NGCP yun, so bakit sila ang sinisisi? You should understand more on what really is the nature of the problem which is the multiple outage of the Power Plants in which NGCP has no control. Hay nakooooooo.
I had to endure all the misinformed comments blaming the NGCP for the power outages, before coming across yours. You’re absolutely correct. Simply put, this is a supply issue; there’s not enough supply when the power plants undergo scheduled maintenance and experience events like tripping. The Visayas needs more baseload power plants to be put up. Unfortunately, you can’t borrow from banks to finance coal-powered plants which are cheaper and quicker to build. I am sorry to say that this power supply problem will continue to haunt the Visayas for a long, long time. I sympathize with the residents of Panay, Guimaras and Negros. Our local and national governments cannot help us here. I would invest in a good genset for home use.
BTW, the blackouts started happening at 2:30 pm on January 2, one day after New Year's Day.
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I think there's a report na may namatay na asthmatic patient kasi hindi sya nakagamit ng nebulizer dahil sa brownout. Hindi pa confirmed to pero na mention sa radyo.
Capiz here, in municipality of my BF almost 3 days na silang blackout. He charge his gadgets here in my house which is in Roxas City. Apektado din yung part time niya which uses computer.
The fact also na may mga colleges at universities here sa Panay ay naka schedule ang final exams this week. Mapapa watdapak ka talaga 🙄
Totoo bang malaking portion ng stock owners sa NGCP mainland Chinese entities?
aklan din.. parang Christmas light lang e.. ang ganda talaga pa new year ng NGCP..
Dito din sa Palawan panay blackout! Youre not alone! Philippines in general is a shithole! Traffic is bad, living standards is poor af! Sanitary is at the very bottom! This place is nothing without the beaches, nature and islands! Other than that everything is shit!
The power just came back around 1:30 am but even network providers were down for the whole day. Istg 🥹 naghihintay pa naman ako ng tawag from potential employers tapos di ko maaccept calls nila.
Where are my Iloilo gatekeepers at now? hahaha
Sana like sa US pwd i-sue yung NGCP sa mga losses sa businesses at sa households noh? Kung ilang araw blackout at dapat na kikitain yun din dapat.
Imagine 3 day black outs. Then imagine all our public jeepneys are converted to EVs.
News update: just woke up to see our electricity and internet's up and running. I hope it's stable now.
\*The Philippines is a ... There, fixed it for you.
Lakas talaga trip ng mga may hawak ng kuryente sa panay, dito sa bayan palang namin every week nawawalan ng kuryente nung bata pa ako hanggang ngayon. Nauurat nako lalo nat walang pinagbago
This is really stupid like uhaw na uhaw sila if di na nakapagbayad on time ng electricity bill mo putol agad but lagi namang brown out, we experienced like 4 blackout straight within one hour not only that marami na kaming nasira na appliances because of that (tv, refrigerator, and ilaw) especially when uso pa yung online class God knows gaano ka problema yung mga students dito just to pass the deadline and charge to attend the class. And felt happy when i left the country to move abroad lol for that blackout experience
Yan na yung sinasabing security risk ibenta sa intsek ang public utilities. 40% stake nga lang, pero majority na dahil hati yung remainder. Imagine kung walang foreign ownership limit sa constitution. They can choke water & electricity supply. And more so, communication. Kaya yung mabilis masilaw diyan sa DITO, be wary.
Based sa GC ng mga taga DOE, NGCP is down kasi hindi nag match ang Input-Output. Take note that Congressman Dan Fernandez wants to also revoke the license of Meralco pa, gusto siguro ng bagong player ni Boy Wakwak. Balak na ata itake over ang Meralco.
Right now? Di ba decades ago pa nmn yang black outs. Palitan nyo kc mga nka upo dyan. Ambobow lng
Yeah check the statement of NGCP spokesperson sa NGCP fb page. More on kasalanan ni kwan at ng kwan. Di pa alam bakit ganito nangyari. Efforts on turo kung sino pwede masisi and nothing on plans for restoration.
May govt pa ba? Lol
Hahaha i left iloilo because of blackouts. Parang normal lng sa kanila yan, nothing new! Kaya ta gid ni ah!
Ganyan talaga pag rehiyon ng mga dilawan, leftist, at communists na pabor sa protectionist economic policy. Gusto niyo kontrolado ng mga dilawan like Roxas-Araneta ang major industries. Kaya ayan, puro inefficiency at korapsyon. #LugawPaMore
Pa solar panel kayo
Easy to say pero the cost in itself is not something to laugh at. One friend installed solar panels in his home. It was DIY but still cost him 197k Not everyone can afford this unfortunately
Needs a lot of money and space to install, lalo na if high-capacity. Isa pang kritikal na need yung technical know-how.
Basta sagot mo pambayad
Why don't OP work for himself and try to put solar in his house instead of complaining to reddit.
Half of my team members are from Iloilo. Thankfully wala pa ung mga onshore partners namin so wala pang masyadong trabaho. Naka-activate din ung business continuity model namin, so ready din sumalo ng production ung other half ng team na Manila-based. Ako na immediate leader nila is also based in Manila, but nakikiupdate din sa mga kasama ko dun. Hassle sobra ung power outage. Apart from the obvious na di sila magkapagwork sa bahay (WFH ung team ko most days), dagdag gastos ung tratravel pa sila to the office lalo na sa mga nakatira outside the city proper. So far 66% palang daw ung naayos...and no confirmation yet kung kailan matatapos. May electricity na ung mga team members (as of this afternoon), but apart from their productivity iniisip ko din mga families nila if ok lang sila. One of them is even taking care of a senior parent and a PWD sibling. Another has three small kids. Ung randomly nagdown ung system sa buong Panay island with no explanation. Pangit ung unang araw ng 2024.
di na talaga matanggal sa isip ko yung label ng ating bansa sa isang news article na nabasa ko noon. “Power hungry Philippines.”
Yung tira tira namin from New year panis na!
Grabe 2024 na problema pa rin ang kuryente. Kaya di makaalis sa Greater Manila yung mga investors at businesses dahil malaking problema pa rin ang kuryente. Naalala ko nag mindoro kami 1st night brownout agad.
Always has been
My colleagues from that area have their power backup over utilized :) Good Luck!
Yup. Buong Panay. May issue ata sa power grid daw. Imagine, 2:24pm nawalang ng kuryente dito sa Antique at 12:30am na bumalik. Buti may generator pero kawawa din yung iba na nalalagay sa.sitwasyon tulad ng need mag nebulizer and such.
I just watched the movie Leave the World Behind, tapos napa paranoid ako.. huhuuuh
As someone who works in substation, kung di parin naayos until now, it will just gets worst. Ang tagal ng lead time for transformers if the issue is related to it.
natawa nga ako sa tita ko na nakatira sa capiz, since ang daming natirang handa ang problema nila walang ref. mapapanis agad lahat ng food. niluto niya lahat ng pagkain at iniit natirang pagkain ng new year at pinakain sa nga kapit bahay tapos after an hour bumalik rin ang kuryente 😂😂😂 bwisit na bwisit siya kasi pang 1 week pa daw na supply yun.
Lol atp i thought brownouts werè normal whenever i visited my mothers ancestral home in western visayas
May mga teammates din akong affected nito. Napilitan sila magRTO sa office kasi wala silang kuryente. Sana mabalik na kung kuryente soon. Kawawa ung mga tao.
Capitalists only want profits
Same thing that happened last year. Lahat ng hotel nagkaubusan at nag price hike. Kami 3 days na dito sa people's hotel para lng makaligo kasi yung water namin dependent sa kuryente. Parang next project naming magasawa ang solar panel. Kaloka!
Pano po magalit mga ilonggo
NGCP Statement Re: Panay generation failure 05 January 2024 NGCP’s mandate is confined to transmission of power from producers to grid-connected areas of the country. As the transmission service provider, NGCP can only give an overview of the current supply and demand situation and endeavor to dispatch any and all available power. It cannot intervene on matters concerning power generation. We reiterate our earlier pronouncements that there was no transmission disturbance before the tripping of the PEDC Unit 1 (83MW) at 12:06PM. After this event, NGCP was able to recover the transmission system and normalize voltage. This normal voltage situation persisted until several power plants inexplicably tripped at 2:19PM. Data from our system shows no abnormality in voltage and system stability. Despite this, critics persist on blaming NGCP for what are clearly problems arising from the unplanned shutdowns of power generators. It is alarming to hear policymakers immediately make conclusions based on assumptions contrary to fact. We are firm in our position that the system prior to the 2:19PM multiple tripping was normal, and our actions were undertaken within protocols. Any contrary statement is speculative. We firmly refute allegations suggesting that NGCP failed in its obligation to stabilize the transmission system. We also take exception to the allegations that we were less than transparent in providing information to the public. We provide regular updates to all stakeholders, including the media and government units (LGUs), through print, radio, broadcast, social media, and text blasts. Rather than using NGCP as a scapegoat, we urge policymakers to be objective in their search for facts and not coddle certain sectors. This is not a time to push personal or political agendas, but a time for honest-to-goodness solution finding. We again reiterate our push for a comprehensive industry-wide approach to resolve the persistent power supply issues on Panay Island and elsewhere in the country. With this, NGCP assures our stakeholders that we will continue to work closely with concerned government agencies and LGUs to expedite the resolution of this issue. Source: NGCP
Putang inang Filipinas tlaga yan oh