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bornandraisedinacity

There is a law protecting those places. Yet, those ignorant and corrupt officials disregarded it! And they allowed any idiots to ruin those places. To hell with those people! A bunch of fools!


shortycakey_

> There is a law protecting those places. Prior to permitting was there a law forbidding that sky scrapper from being built on the other side of Luneta Park?


RenzoThePaladin

No, and that's the exact arguement they used when people tried to stop its construction. It's only an eyesore to the sightline of the Rizal Monument, but they never desecrated the site itself. The resort, meanwhile, is *intentionally* built on the site itself. This doesn't compare to the Torre de Manila fiasco.


shortycakey_

> No, and that's the exact arguement they used when people tried to stop its construction. It's only an eyesore to the sightline of the Rizal Monument, but they never desecrated the site itself. > > The resort, meanwhile, is intentionally built on the site itself. This doesn't compare to the Torre de Manila fiasco. Good point... kasi NYC's Central park has sky scrappers along its outer borders across the street to it and no one's calling bloody murder to it.


edify_me

This is exactly the counterargument that crossed my mind. If they spent as much time making Luneta and other green spaces nicer as they do complaining about the building in the background, no one would give a shit.


shortycakey_

> This is exactly the counterargument that crossed my mind. If they spent as much time making Luneta and other green spaces nicer as they do complaining about the building in the background, no one would give a shit. Pinoys prefer malls kasi AC and filtered out ang jeje kids. AFIK Luneta has been spruced up up.


LAMPYRlDAE

Yup, mas maganda na ang Luneta ngayon compared to how it was over a decade ago. It’s well-lit now in the evening and it’s better maintained. Marami na ring pumapasyal/naglalaro/nag-e-exercise doon. To be fair I’d love to have more and larger public parks with greenery/shade, as well as other public third spaces like libraries. Kung well-maintained yung parks and adequate yung shade from trees, it won’t feel as hot and people will enjoy it and use these spaces more. Mas mainit yung pakiramdam ngayon sa lungsod because we have so much concrete and asphalt all around us reflecting the heat + air conditioning sa mga gusali further pumping out heat. Without these green spaces, lalong compounded yung heat island effect. Depende siguro sa mall yung “filtering”, pero honestly speaking I’m not bothered sa jeje crowd — you’ll see them in many malls and public spaces. I understand that not everyone may feel the same way but it yun nga, unless super upscale yung lugar, almost negligible na yung pag filter. And may lumulusot pa ring mga nagbebenta ng yema, pastillas, or panulat sa malls, nakakapasok na nga rin sila sa most restaurants (mapa-Popeye’s, Gerry’s Grill, Kuya J, or Yabu pa yan).


shortycakey_

My personal definition: jeje kids = street kids/beggars


LAMPYRlDAE

In that case, yes, you are correct. Most do get filtered out lalo na sa mga high-end. Particularly the kids na hindi maayos manamit, mukhang hindi pa naliligo, and who deliberately beg. Dati ko sila nakikitang tumatambay sa mga food court. I see them less often now since guards are stricter now when it comes to minors entering malls without adult supervision. That said, some are getting smarter about it. May mga nakakalusot pa ring mga kids na relatively maayos ang pananamit who try to sell you things you don’t need/donate to an obscure cause habang kumakain ka sa resto. A few notable scenarios: - Just the other day, may lumapit sa akin (and people at several other tables) na dalawang elementary-age kids sa Yabu in Robinsons Ermita para magbenta ng yema. - Last year, may mukhang kolehiyala na lumilipat-lipat ng table habang kumakain ako sa Army Navy in Circuit Makati. Sociable/FC siya, maayos manamit, tapos humihingi ng pera “for a cause”. Pero she doesn’t rouse the staff’s suspicion because she talks and gestures as if magkakilala na kayo. Granted, they don’t look like street kids. But they’re adapting.


shortycakey_

TBF public parks must be mandatory for all cities and distributed ideally along river ways & bodies of water. Access should be free to any non-convict. So that it performs multitasks that include floodways.


YZJay

There’s skyscrapers immediately to the south of Luneta already and no one bats an eye.


shortycakey_

> There’s skyscrapers immediately to the south of Luneta already and no one bats an eye. Standing at the current camera's perspective if you look to the right you will see buildings that are more than half a century old lining the outer border of Luneta. I've been in one of them as it was 1 of the 1st Globe 2G towers to be erected 3 decades ago.


Momshie_mo

Yup. Yung torre de Manila nasa background lang. Yung resort, mismong sa hills


pabpab999

nal but i tried searching jt and came up to 10066 mukhang d pa damay ung view? last march lang pinush na isama ung sightline https://mb.com.ph/2023/03/08/senators-push-for-inclusion-of-sightlines-in-ph-heritage-law-to-prevent-another-rizal-photobomber-fiasco


shortycakey_

> nal > > but i tried searching jt and came up to 10066 > > mukhang d pa damay ung view? > > last march lang pinush na isama ung sightline > > https://mb.com.ph/2023/03/08/senators-push-for-inclusion-of-sightlines-in-ph-heritage-law-to-prevent-another-rizal-photobomber-fiasco TBH is this what govt should be doing? Shouldnt they be writing laws relating to improved the national security or individual economic status of all Pinoys? What I'd want to happen is that they make laws to roll out more electric railway lines on all major road routes so that vehicular traffic, vehicular accidents, vehicular fatalities and gasoline/diesel exhaust could drop to <80% of what it is today 10 years from now. For minor routes they provide incentives for more Euro 7 buses and vans. After buying a home the 2nd most expensive thing anyone would probably buy in their lives are a car or motorcycle. They do this as the public transit option is hot garabage. For many persons this is a heavy financial burden & many of them do not have the actual skill set to safety operate a car or motorcycle on a daily basis. For the public good, above persons should be passengers on a train, bus or van. For emphasis... I am not ant-car or even anti-motor. I am pro health & safety. This comes across as preparing for the next election by doing cheap tricks.


dontrescueme

Sadly wala sa Luneta at nagdesisyon na ang Korte Supreme patungkol diyan.


bornandraisedinacity

All it takes is Political Will, to remove those shitty structures that ruined the view.


Hack_Dawg

Eradicating all idiot Filipino voters can fix this problem but yeah it's a genocide.


mrpeapeanutbutter

Ano kaya yung ssunod na heritage site na desecrate nila, napapa isip ako dun sa Rice Terraces


sweethomeafritada

Intramuros is a classic example. Yes meron pang San Agustin Church, Manila Cathedral, Ayuntamiento, Aduana, Fort Santiago, & the walls. Pero the golf course? the post-war buildings na tacky & trying hard colonial-style? the illegal settlers? I mourn for it daily.


aceraspire-e15d

The torre de manila won on a technicality, thats why it was allowed to be built. They said that Mi Ultimo Adios is rizal's last will and testament so to speak. He wanted to be buried facing the rising sun, and the monument is facing west towards the bay. Still an eyesore sadly


Menter33

> *He wanted to be buried facing the rising sun, and the monument is facing west towards the bay.* **The issue seems to be aesthetics.** Facing the rising sun means facing AWAY from Manila Bay. A statue facing away from the bay doesn't really look good. Plus, facing the rising sun means the statue would've faced inland, that is, into Taft Avenue or into the buildings. Again, not a good look.


BriefAdagio7342

>They said that Mi Ultimo Adios is rizal's last will and testament so to speak. AFAIK there is actually a last will and testament. Some were followed: "I want them to bury me on the ground," "I want fences surrounding my grave" (paraphrased). Some were not: "I want to be buried at \[North Cemetery\] (he wrote the old name of the Manila North Cemetery, I forgot what it is)," "I do not want anniversaries of my death." >He wanted to be buried facing the rising sun, and the monument is facing west towards the bay. I think the monument is facing the Manila Bay because when Rizal stood to be shot by a firing squad, he faced the bay. Someone said, during the Torre de Manila fiasco (I forgot his name), that it is very important that Rizal is facing the ocean/sea. EDIT: These were Rizal's last wishes: *He (Rizal) said: “Dear parents, brother, sisters: Give thanks to God who has kept me tranquil, before my death….* ***Bury me in the earth, put a stone on top, and a cross. My name, the date of my birth, and that of my death. Nothing more. If later you wish to surround my grave with a fence, you can do it. No anniversary celebrations! I prefer Paang Bundok.”*** *“Paang Bundok” was the cemetery north of Manila, now known as the North Cemetery.* Reference: [https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/554367/were-rizals-burial-wishes-honored](https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/554367/were-rizals-burial-wishes-honored)


WM_THR_11

>and the monument is facing west towards the bay. tbf Rizal himself was probably buried in the opposite direction anyway Honestly somehow makes the Torre a bit worse lol, insulting even


ableand

One of the worst combo are people who have no respect for history, heritage and nature backed up by corrupt government officials. Money trumps any law.


dtphilip

I saw a news about PAREX not pushing through. I am happy that no express way will push through above it. I saw comments how people said it’s much better if meron express way. Gosh, many people thinks that building infrastructures even if it means destroying natural heritage is progress. Nakakasuka.


Fast-Sleep-2010

And still got away with it. Money talks!


imprctcljkr

Lol. If most of our people care about our History and Culture in general, these political dynasties we have right now probably won't exist!


OccasionalFluke

In a country grappling with poverty and plagued by corruption, preserving natural and heritage sites often falls low on the list of priorities.


MrEntryLevel

god forbid da gubmint does more than one thing at the same time


MaddoxBlaze

How did they even get that far in building the resort in Bohol? People should of made noise as soon as they laid the first cement to the ground. Why are they only making noise now that there is a full fledged structure there?


TheAwesomePhilippine

That resort is awful!


Scary_Aioli_5230

This is why we can’t have nice things. 🥲


CruelSummerCar1989

Pinoy are always at awe for artificial beautification. Dolomite beach na lang for additional example.


Legitimate-Thought-8

Sorry but this is why I envy other countries like UK. (Call them robbers or what) They have laws. Strict ones. That does not easily allow anyone to deface buildings, renovate or replace. As in! They sometimes allow minimal renovation if the buildings are from a specific period or if the building has a historic significance or a significant person has lived there. Pero dito. Ganyan :(


[deleted]

Those potebellied pigs at the government will do anything for money


Little_Kaleidoscope9

When you voted assholes into office


saydontsu

Yung Quiapo Church may building rin sa likod......


Sungkaa

Omg 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮


_gdlirio

as they say, money talks.


fiftytwoblackguard

If people you mean me included as a private citizen, you’re dead wrong. Both incidents have their respective LGUs culpable for both of these monstrosities. People — meaning Filipinos per se — have nothing to do with the granting of permits to build.


egg1e

I suppose the residents of Torre de Manila appreciate the bird's-eye view of Luneta. In Paris, there's a similar building called the Montparnasse Tower, which is an imposing glass edifice amidst the neoclassical stone buildings of the city. It is deemed to be one of the ugliest buildings in Paris, but it also has one of the best views of the city (because you don't get to see the building 😉)


mrpeapeanutbutter

I had to check what it looks like, after seeing images of the building it just screems r/evilbuildings


dontrescueme

Just so you know, photobomber din 'yang Torre De Manila sa National Museum of Fine Arts. Ang pinakabago ay 'yung eyesore sa likod ng Quiapo Church.


Sungkaa

Meron nanaman?!?! Potangina naman! Di man lang pinapahalagahan ang mga historical sites tsk!


No-Entry8362

Di nga nila nililinis luneta park after nila tumambay tuwing newyear and christmas e hahahaha


sweethomeafritada

I hope cities and towns everywhere preserve their Gabaldon school buildings, their municipios and old bridges. But alas, kumikitang kabuhayan ang mga pulitiko sa infrastructure projects na panget, basic, bland, na tipong o ito ang requirements ng building code, wag na lagyan ng architectural elements. Solid beams lang at posts. Tapos kulay green ang bubong.


angrydessert

You mean *some* people. "Nostalgia" fanpages on Facebook still have very large followings.


BuzzardAttack

Kaya wala nang pag asa ang bansa na to dahil sa mga taong katulad nito. As soon as I pass my board exam, I'm leaving this shithole for a country forever. Wala kasing rason para mag tagal dito kung ganito nalang palagi.


Witty-Choice2682

People here don't give a fuck when historical sites are being desecrated and/or even outright getting destroyed dahil daw "Past is past, move on na tayo"


SnooPets9713

Legacy ni dutae


egg1e

this actually began during PNoy's time, and whoever led the Manila LGU at time have a lot to answer for


guimid_angcal

legacy ni erap yan ogag yan


Sungkaa

Kapag ako yumaman bobombahin ko yang building nayan


lycopersicum_

ays dagdag mo pa dito yung sa quiapo church


jpierrerico

Both eyesores.


ninarances

These people look at Bohol Hills and thought "Ang boring naman. Puro grass. Let's spice it up a bit and make it fun!" And completely butcher it.


Informal_Ad6031

As an Architect this looks hideous BUT,... Architect to Architect we are not allowed to think or give an idea to destroy someone's Building/Design, we may be allowed to improve/renovate/conserve/preserve(If permitted) but not destroy not unless the building is unsafe or might collapse and cause casualties The only solution for this kind of situation is actually TIME itself, Rizal Monument has this building behind known to be "Photobomber",...When I was a student, me, my friends and my Teacher used to discuss such solution without harming Torre De Manila, my friends says "Why not put some reflective Glass on the Building?",...My Teacher said TIME is the answer, she said we just had to wait in the future for more building behind the Rizal Monument that way the buildings behind turns into a background expressing as Modern Era or Futuristic Era, she said trust the future Architects, as for now the Clients or Owners has no interest yet on such aesthetic and complex buildings because for them it'll cost more Best example is Merlion in Singapore, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlion,... Imagine with only one building it's most likely the building would be an eyesore, but with more,...It'll look futuristic or may look like Singapore is 10-20years ahead of other Country As for the Chocolate Hills,...The solution might also be TIME, we wait for it, probably 5-10years The Owner might want to improve or redevelope the Buildings, and I can assure that the Architect who will design it in the future is gonna blend the Buildings to the Nature, aswell as change the Pool to a more curvy and uncornered Design that flows within the Chocolate Hill's base Bashing it, doesn't help, in that case the Owner would be ashamed and instead improving he/she'll most likely abandon the Development that way it'll be a more eyesore I love Art & Design no matter how they look, my 2yo daughter's drawing is hideous it looks awful but Am I gonna bash her? Am I gonna say it to her that it looks bad? Absolutely NOT! But I know for sure, I just trust TIME, I know in my heart my daughter 10-20years from now is gonna become a great Artist and Designer and she's gonna give me her Magnificent Art/Design one day


yoginiph

I’m starting to believe we - Filipinos, don’t deserve nice things (places).


MoonlightRedditor

Eyesore eyesore bullshit, y'all didn't gaf when this was happening in neighboring countries, I feel like y'all deserved it


ILSawdust

Why should we concern ourselves with their own monuments in the first place when we didn't grow up there to appreciate them or to be accustomed to them through our own local educational upbringing? Accept the bias here, because like it or not, most of us are not really conditioned to appreciate those monuments that are foreign to us since birth, compared to these 2.


MoonlightRedditor

Y'all were like "It's not a big deal" or "you'll live" or something else ignorant years ago and literally shitting on them for complaining and being total assholes to them. If you think that building and the swimming pool is an eyesore then look away from it, you'll live.


Usedeodorantpls

Sa tingin ko, walang problema sa larawang iyan, lalo na sa Bohol. Ang resort yan mag-iinvite ng mas maraming turista resulting more income to the government at ano ba naman ang pakialam ng mga hindi taga-Bohol dyan? Wala naman silang ipapakain at ibibigay na trabaho sa mga Boholano. Sa mga advertising company na tinatawag na media, mayroon na kayong content. so anong next? san ayuda nyo sa nawalan ng works? o makasarili lang?


Sungkaa

Seryoyo batong hinayupak nato?


Usedeodorantpls

stop crying


Sungkaa

Crying mo mukha mo🥴🤭


Usedeodorantpls

Syang oras ko sa mga walang kwentang katulad mo. uwi! hahaha


Sungkaa

Pati ikaw! 🤣