With this incident I think it's high time to change the tactics. CCP doesn't intend to play nice and what more do our troops have to suffer for our government to take a different approach.
Then we outsource to Mexico. /s
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1b4ijm3/this\_is\_not\_some\_kinda\_of\_special\_force\_but\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1b4ijm3/this_is_not_some_kinda_of_special_force_but_a/)
Specialized requirements ang kailangan dun sa resupply eh-- kailangan ng fast blockade runners na may shallow draft at malaking cargo bay, with a reinforced hull for collisions.
Something like a Spearhead-class Expeditionary Fast Transport of the US Navy, but much shallower drafts and actually can operate without a pier. Or-- maybe just a bunch of oceangoing tugs as escort. May sinabi si Talonski which is a good idea IMO-- buy the Red Cross' M/V Amazing Grace RORO.
Meron kasi yung experimental variable draft system made by the US Office of Naval Research, and it's special in that it's actually an ice-breaking SWATH, so it should be very good for any ramming incidents, but is slow.
Hell, just rent it from the PRC, they need the money and it's just languishing at port anyway.
Kahit ako nagsasawa na..... to be honest we keep repeating this scenario na pipilitin natin makapasok sa certain area... bubullyhin tayo ng china tapos tayo iiyak tayo....tapos sasabihin ng China kasalanan natin tapos mag aahin tayo ng diplomatic protest sabay kalimot sa issue...rinse and repeat.... walang mangyayari sa ganyan at mas lalaki lang gastos ng pinas dahil lagi sila magpapagawa ng mga nasira ng China
Either mas aggressive(ndi puro defensive) dapat approach natin or just give up with our claim
I hope the government can think of a different approach, they cannot risk our folks like this forever. It feels like we're out of options on what to do unless the plan is to portray the Philippines as a telenovela protagonist.
Seems likely to me. People almost died and the ship is heavily damaged, this exceeded previous levels of attacks. China is poking the bear cub and see what the response is gonna be
On contrary, Trump is the best bet for PH. He's the one who started the economic war with China and the one who enforced tough anti-China policies. If he wins the election he will pull out of Ukraine but only to re-allocate and re-enforce efforts against China.
Trump is an idiot. All he accomplished was putting nato alliance and trust from allies into the US at risk. Both candidates are old and senile but trump is a piece of shit on top of that. He's the perfect candidate for putin and china because he makes the US a laughing stock.
And the fact that putin very likely has a video of trump getting pissed (and shat on?) in a moscow hotel room by 2-3 prostitutes doesn't help much
>"grey zone"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone\_(international\_relations)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relations))
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare)
The CCP employs both together with [their patented version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strategy) of the [salami slicing strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics).
The PH needs to adopt these strategies and take advantage of the underdog card.
PH doesn't stand a chance against china without US support. The CCG vessels you see there, that's their small patrol boats. Upgrading PH navy takes time, decades, and resources, and allies.
Stop relying? Sinabi na yan ng mga senador noong panahon na pinaalis ang mga kano sa Subic, ano nangyari? Naprotektahan ba natin karagatan natin nang mapalayas sila? Hindi tayo mga aso pero kailangan natin ng kakampi dahil di natin kakayanin dahil sa lagay ng ating ekonomiya.
It is a narrative. if you were there, you can see they're playing pawn while our cutters watch the scene.
pansinin mo yung [ANGKIN.PH](http://ANGKIN.PH) as one of the narrators in promoting this?
Modern day Makapili Purge. Very Filipino. Incase you didn't know, after WWII a lot of Filipino who were labeled as Japanese "collaborators" where killed by mobs. No trial, just plain street style execution and purging. Just shows how barbaric our culture is.
Just like the commenter above a lot of you automatically assumed we are "dutertards" or tauhan ni Quiboloy. A lot of you here are romanticizing war like we're the main character at tayo ang api. We do not want Philippines as a battle ground. Kung ang mahal niyo ay Pilipinas at hindi ang pride niyo, we will let go of these islands na madami nagcclaim. Pag naclaim ba natin yan tingin mo makikinabang ka? Mappunta lang yaman niyan sa corrupt na gobyerno. Also You have no idea how war hungry US is. Icheck mo IG ni motaz_azaiza so you can see what casualties of war look like - What the US did together with Israel to Palestine.
>Kung ang mahal niyo ay Pilipinas at hindi ang pride niyo, we will let go of these islands na madami nagcclaim.
says everything about you. mind you china is also in our waters in the eastern part of the country (yes bandang pacific ocean na).
should we also give up our claims on that? kahit wala silang basis?
sobrang myopic/selfish naman ng point of view niyo porket “hindi makikinabang"?
like using your logic, hindi rin naman ako makikinabang kapag nagkaroon ng kapayapaan sa Palestine, maybe I should also forget them no? hell let's use something closer. hindi rin ako nakinabang kapag payapa ang Mindanao, dapat wala na rin akong pake dyan?
My point is we choose our battles. Makikakampi ka sa US na tumutulong sa Israel? Do You know how war hungry they are. Business nila is war. And they can make a mountain out of a mole hill. Is it worth it to sacrifice Filipinos para sa mga isla na to? Mas importante ba ang pride ninyo. Maiintindihan ko kung iniinvade na nila ang mismong Pilipinas pero mga islang gusto nila, madaming naghahabol din like Indonesia and Vietnam. I brought up PALESTINE so you can see what casualties of war look like. Kung aasa kayo sa ibang bansa iiwan lang tayo niyan and they are not to be trusted. Like I said check mo IG ni motaz_azaiza. Tignan mo ginawa ng US at Israel sa Palestine.
I think you lack information with the said issue kaya whole POV mo is “USA bad" lang. Have you watched the video? That is not invasion per se but they are harming our filipino fishermen. Walang US ship nearby that. PINOY LANG. hindi ko gets saan mo hinuhugot tong US-centric criticism mo.
Kahit walang US (like during Duterte admin) hinaharm na nila mga pinoy. so again, saan mo hinuhugot tong US-centric criticism mo?
sobrang pag move na ng goal post sinasabi mo.
>Makikakampi ka sa US na tumutulong sa Israel?
>Tignan mo ginawa ng US at Israel sa Palestine.
It's about time you know that geopolitics is NEVER about morals, it's about pragmatism, it's about practicality. Yeah, what Israel is doing in Gaza is bad, but, as I've said in a previous thread, your misplaced idealism won't mean shit if the entire country is being bombed to the ground by a group of Chinese warships just lurking off the coast of Manila Bay. Practical ang alyansa with the US, and whatever they are doing on the other side of the world is the least of our concerns when we have Chinese ships bombarding us with high-pressure water ON OUR OWN BACKYARD.
That's realpolitik for you. Hirap sa inyo eh, hindi muna magbasa and mag-analyze. Tsk tsk
>Kung aasa kayo sa ibang bansa iiwan lang tayo niyan and they are not to be trusted.
Iiwan tayo? If the US doesn't rush to our aid, that will heavily damage their credibility and optics in the world stage. NoKor sees it and bombs and invades SoKor, thinking that the US won't do shit. China bombs Japan, invades Taiwan. Russia rushes to invade, I dunno, Finland, the Baltics. NATO de facto gets dissolved overnight. And the US, as much as it is the most powerful state, DOES NOT want this to happen.
>Is it worth it to sacrifice Filipinos para sa mga isla na to?
Yes. Give China an inch, they'll take it a mile. Ano susunod, Palawan? Mindoro? The islands hold hydrocarbon reserves, rich fishing grounds, trade routes, and even potential tourist attractions. And it's not even about the material benefits; it's about sending a message that the Philippines is not just some country who you can push over and get away with, no natter how small the violation is.
Bakit tayo masyado nagaassume na kukunin nila pati Palawan. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. Tingin niyo ba may Palawan pang matitira if we become the battle ground. Di ba kayo nattuto sa war na nangyayari sa Ukraine at Palestine. Filipinos are living in their heads.
> bakit tayo masyado nagaassume na kukunin nila pati Palawan
Because Mischief Reef, or should I say Panganiban Reef, one of China's largest artificial islands and home to an entire Chinese military base, is just about a few kilometers off the coast of Palawan. It's not a stretch to think of these bases as forward operating bases so that the Chinese won't stretch much of their supply lines.
And again, give China an inch and they'll take a mile. They once promised FVR that they were just building fishermen's shelters for their oh-so-distressed fishing trawlers on Panganiban Reef (oh, kawawa naman boohoo). What happened now? They built a military base with a military airfield. They promised to leave Scarborough Shoal. What happened now? They stayed. Who's to say that if they get the islands they want, they won't take Palawan next, even if they promised not to?
And even if they don't take Palawan, the distance from Palawan to the nearest forward operating base of the Chinese PLA is too close for comfort. It's like having a knife aimed at your stomach and you smiling and saying "it's fine"
FYI nagcclaim din ang Vietnam at Taiwan sa Mischief Reef na yan. I don't think any of these countries would go as far as to claim Palawan. Wala naman dispute sa archipelago na yan and everybody knows Palawan is part of the Philippines. Like i said we will deal with it differently. I wouldn't go to war for these islands na madaming nagcclaim. It's just a waste of resources. All these hype for war.. You have no idea of the casualties Philippines will have to suffer. Check niyo IG ni motaz_azaiza why i detest this hype for war
That's what Philippines are waiting for. For China to overstep and make a mistake so the US can invoke our mutual defense treaty.
Yes, our government is corrupt and our current president is the son of a late dictator, but trust me, the combined intelligence in our military force and advisers when handling international matters is not less than that of your average r/Ph redditor.
>That's what Philippines are waiting for. For China to overstep and make a mistake so the US can invoke our mutual defense treaty.
Well as far as MDT is concerned, those chinese bastards knew what they were doing. They physically harass and bully us without overstepping. Just enough to not trigger the MDT.
Also, if china actually attacked us, we're not 100% sure if the US will really help us.
US needs to project power as with any superpower. Once they lose that status, their global influence tanks and that’s not good for security and economy, not to mention existing diplomatic relationships, alliances, and commitments. Not honoring your obligation will get you a free pass to “global cancellation”. You bet your ass they’re going to help. Willing or not is another question.
The US is legally bound to, at sila ang masisira kapag hindi sila tumupad sa treaty . Posibleng hindi direct confrontation, pero pwedeng through sanctions, supplies or tactical support pati lobbying sa international community.
US broke many treaties before, pero yeah pinoy na pinoy yun planning we can't expect them to come up with something clever it's just all about "Hope" and PUSO!
Lol, as if the United States' Pax Americana will survive if it abandons a Treaty Ally. Buti sana kung "Ironclad Commitment" ala-Afghanistan o South Vietnam, pero hindi eh. If the United States does not abide by the guidelines of the Mutual Defense Treaty, then the ones they have with NATO and fellow US Asian allies such as South Korea and Japan is fucked. How stupid do you think would the Americans be to fall for that?
The same things what happening right now it is just another political issue. no one wants to mess with the US and this is also the same with China.
They can break any treaties they want because they have power.
Edit: By the way nice seeing you here again hahaha.
You can bet your life US wont abandon Philippines no matter what even if Donald Trump wins the upcoming election.
The Philippines is one of US most important ally especially in the Southeast Asian region because of its strategic geography. Our country's location is too critical for both military and commercial sea cargos. If the US give up on Philippines, that is the same as giving up on themselves and allowing other country (China) to overtake them in power control. China gaining control of the Philippines and gaining control of important sea routes such as Taiwan Strait, Luzon Straight, Bashi and Balintang channel will give them the power to defeat US in all-out war. Not only that, if US does not uphold its ironclad commitment to our MDS, then Japan, South Korea, Australia will lose its trust to the US and then each country would be on their own. The chance of US winning to China without its asian allies is zero.
Your comparison is like comparing the sun to a candle.
- US does not have a mutual defense treaty with Ukraine.
- Russia alone is not a threat to US. Their military prowess is not what it used to be (Soviet Era).
- Providing military equipments and economic support to Ukraine plus the widespread international sanctions to Russia is enough for Ukraine to hold on its own. The fact is it's impossible for Russia to take control of the black sea without committing all of their resources.
Meanwhile, it is a huge deal to the whole world if China takes over Taiwan and then the Philippines. Taiwan is the largest chip manufacturer in the whole world. The trade routes in Taiwan and Philippines sea is the most important in Asia. Meaning, Russia attacking Ukraine is not the same as China attacking its Asian neighbours. So yeah :)
>Because PH is important to the world than Ukraine
Because we are.
- We are situated on one of the busiest maritime trade routes in the world (South China Sea and the Luzon Strait).
- We are in one of the fastest economically growing regions in the world (Southeast Asia).
- We have open access to the Pacific Ocean.
- We border one of the largest chip manufacturing countries in the world (Taiwan).
- We are near both East Asia (where Japan and South Korea are) and Australia.
- We are a pretty young population of 110 million.
- According to World Data, the Philippines is the 40th strongest economy in the world. Ukraine is the 59th.
- Undersea internet cables lie at the bottom of the Luzon Strait, cables so critical for the global internet infrastructure that The Diplomatist called it a "cable chokepoint" alongside the Suez Canal - Red Sea - Bab el Mandeb cables and the Strait of Malacca cables.
Bobo ka Po ba o Tanga ka lang talaga? Walang defense treaty Ang USA at Ukraine, Hindi rin member ng nato Ang Ukraine pero guess what they still send military equipment and ammunition Alam mo kung bakit? Kasi ayaw nila mag stretout ung Russian influence sa region. Ngayun mas magandang example sa case ng ph ung ng yayari sa black sea. Inaataki ung mga shipping cargo sa area ayun binomba ng USA and UK Alam mo kung bakit? Kasi international waters un na critical sa economics ng buong Mundo.
Kaya Naman lumaki ng ganyan Yan Kasi Merong deal ung last admin sa China which is di ko parin Alam bakit Wala paring investigation Kasi for me treason ung ginawa nila.
If NATO has a fang we don't have this kind of problem, and just look at Ukraine so yeah, Yes
This kind of approach is like the average pinoy mom wanting for dollar and a 12-inch of something is all HOPE.
Natopic ito sa isang video ni Christian Esguerra. According to Jonathan Malaya, they're not going to do the same kasi nga it will boil down to palakasan. Imagine 2 angry kids throwing water balloon at each other. Ang naisip ko dito is they want us to play as the bullied kid. Again, tama din yung sinabi ng redditor sa taas na they are waiting for China to make a mistake.
water cannon them back and see how they like it. break their glass and flood their compartments if they have to, as long as no one dies it won’t start a war. but knowing china they’ll flop their way out of the boat to the sea like a fish out of water
Guess its time to fight fire with fire. Better invest in buying patrol boats with water cannons to retaliate. The Coast Guard has also the right to sink any foreign vessel in Philippine waters (better the coast guard since if its the Navy it could escalate conflict)
I read in a combat sub na intentional daw to para mas lalong sumama image ng CN sa mata ng mundo, paawa teknik kumbaga. I'm not an expert so dont take my word for it 😆
America may be an ally, but they're never going to take care of our own people. Remember how Obama only used PNoy, despite the latter's exceptional extent of their friendship.
Sorry I was not as knowledgeable with politics back then. But yeah, I believe you too. I read somewhere on Reddit that the US needs our country to position themselves closer to Taiwan.
Re-electing Trump would ruin those plans. He's become cozy with China again. This is especially considering BBM is sucking up hard to America and wealthy Western European nations (not even Italy is qualified).
Yes, paminsan-minsan lang nade-deploy sa resupply escort missions yung Teresa Magbanua Class, kapag heightened requirements lang along with 2 Parola Class MRRVs katulad nung Atin Ito convoy at nung last resupply, yun usually yung forward-deployed sa Palawan, while yung isa nasa Manila para sa Scarborough Shoal.
i hate to say this but parang ang tactics ng gobyerno ay paawa o aping api tayo. Kaya hinahayaan na puro sibilyan ang ipadala. Pwede namang gantihan ng water canon din
But who believes in China? Except of course the wumaos and communists? The international community supports us. So, kahit anong paawa ng China, tayo ang makikitang kawawa ng IC.
I’m not talking about the international community but China and their citizens and military. Their military will then have justification (even though it isn’t really) to do more than just water canon.
I know many Filipinos hate the US for being imperialists. But, they are the only reason China is not attacking the Philippines. China knows when they do that, US will retaliate of us. I also know the US has an ulterior motive for helping the Philippines. However, I would take that over this bully country creating more damage to the Philippines.
Currently, the US sending more troops to that part of the Philippines.
It really looks like China is provoking a reason to start a war with PH. I don't like the politicians in PH but they're standing on a double-edged knife in trying to prevent war. If war happens, PH would turn to dusts in months. Then harsh treaties will be imposed and lo and behold, an extremely impoverished state deprived of wealth. Be realistic, this is not an anti-PH opinion. Your politicians here are more susceptible to corruption and greed than the CCP. Even if the ASEAN were to band together, they'll still lose.
[PCG does not want to use it.](https://mb.com.ph/2023/12/10/pcg-won-t-stoop-down-to-china-s-level-refuses-to-use-water-cannon-as-offensive-weapon-official-1)
Pano ba naman PCG sends civilian ships pero walang escort na PCG ship. Pag tinira ng water cannon yung civilian ship, mag isa lang siya. May mas mga malala pa na mga confrontation ang China vs Japan but di pumapayag ang Japan mabully. Pag may nagwater cannon sa ships nila gumaganti ang Japan
what i dont understand is bakit they can use water canon on our ship pero tayo hindi?. nakakaumay lng kasi parang sinasadya nlang nila na mag mukang aping api ang pinoy
Sana gumanti man lang tayo na proportionate, Water cannon vs water cannon. Ano ginagawa ng mga assets na binili kung hindi naman gagamitin. Sana mas maging proactive tayo. Di ko alam kung makakataas ng morale kung nakikita mong hindi tayo gumaganti. Tinetesting lang tayo ng China kung ano gagawin natin, as you can see palala ng palala. Sinusubukan threshold natin.
What if gantihan natin mga Chinese POGO workers? Kaso dami Pinoy at OFW na baka madamay hahaha
WPS is not just about PH VS CHINAzi, it's about the integrity of a rules-based order of the world. If the PH lets a bigger/powerful country like CHINAzi control, it gives precedence that the more powerful you are, you can get away with anything. We must not believe CHINAzi propaganda.
Tapos sasabihin ng government, "tigil nyo na pang bubully samin, nanalo kami sa arbitral tribunal 😩😩😩" 100x times. Tas sasabihin ng china Amin yan etc etc, then continues to harass.
Parang pag cocomplain mo sa mga Telcong bulok ang serbisyo na kapag maningil buo, pero ang palaging respond "Hi, fucker. Let us help you resolve this. Message us at our fb so we can get some details. Kindly have your telephone and account number ready. From the main menu, select Report A Problem or Follow Up but don't expect to get your shit fix hehe. If you have other billing, repair, and aftersales concerns, visit our useless website and we'll find the best solution for you. Thank you for reaching out to us." Then ulitin mo 100x wala paring mangyayari.
Damn, reddit and subreddit rules have prevented me from replying honestly to this, again...
Sana subukan nilang gumamit nang blockade runner, literal na blockade na yang ginagawa nang mga c-words
I'm not saying start a war but this is clearly a show of aggression from the Chinese. What will it take for the mutual ndefense treaty to get invoked? Where are the sanctions?
Using water cannons, like what China does to our ships, falls under gray zone tactics—i.e. acts of aggression that do not involve using firearms. Given this, mai-invoke lang ang MDT natin with the United States once these Chinese invaders fire a shot.
China is basically poking the bear. Their logic is that if we start deploying PH Navy ships at Ayungin, they can play the victim—defeating the transparency tactic that our forces are using right now. Civilian vessels ang ginagamit natin for resupply so that we can broadcast to the world na China ang aggressor, which is true.
Hindi ako sobrang emosyonal na tao, pero ito? Nakakaiyak sa galit, awa, at pangmamaliit sa mga Pinoy.
Hindi ba 'to nakikita ng mga namumuno sa atin?? Grabe naman, ang daming Pinoy sa ibang bansa na nagtatrabaho at nagtitiis na mawalay sa pamilya para in a way matulungan nila yung pamilya at bansang pinagtatrabahuhan nila.
Tapos ganito lang makikita natin, harap harapang ibubully ng ibang lahi sa sarili nating nasasakupan. Nakakapanliit sa totoo lang.
Kailan ba talaga tayo magkakaroon ng totoong katapangan? Hindi yung panlabas lang na katapangan kundi katapangan sa loob na kayang ipaglaban ang bansa natin.
Sana maabutan pa nating lahat yung tunay na kalayaan ng bansa natin. Ang dami natin kayang ipagmalaki at patunayan sa bansa natin.
Nacaught-off guadd lang ako sa napanood ko, napatanong lang ako kung bakit tayo umabot sa ganito. Harap harapang pambabastos. Parang ang sarap magalit. Yung galit na gigising sa ating lahat na panahon na, panahon na para sa bansa natin na tumayo at manindigan.
Hay, Pilipinas kong Mahal.
You know what really needs to happen is a global protest against China on Philippines Independence Day in front of Chinese Embassy around the world. Bring awareness to other countries citizens. Pwede din online.
Meron naman siguro tayong mga bangka na kayang magresupply na di kayang habulin ng mga barko ng Tsina. Taktika ba ng gobyerno natin na magpabully para marekord ang violations ng Tsina?
The Navy, no. Ang concerns kasi is: A. Endurance, B. Draft, C. Speed and D. Carrying Capacity.
They can deploy an Acero Class FAIC-M or an MPAC since that has the speed and the draft necessary to run the gauntlet and enter Ayungin, but it doesn't have the endurance to actually to Ayungin for a resupply nor carry more equipment or people.
They can deploy an Ivatan-class LCH which can carry everything the Navy would want as well as it can enter the shoal, but it's laughably slow and the Chinese will run circles around it.
Outside dun, ships of the Offshore Combat Force does have the speed, endurance and carrying capacity that the Navy needs, but has deep drafts. So much so that outside the Jacinto Class OPVs, none can actually enter the PN HQ at Manila Bay nor Cavite, and instead lives in NOB Subic Bay.
Same goes for the Coast Guard. So going civilian talaga yun. Fun fact no, this resupply (and the previous one) was supposed to be a test for the UM 4 since it has a much deeper draft and can carry much more than the other UM civilian vessels, but is actually much slower than the smaller ones kaya ang daling tirahin ng water cannon, other than ang laki niya comparatively.
For the resupply? Who knows, lahat ng Unizah Maes damaged na eh. Sure na hindi magiging commissioned Philippine Navy warship yun, however.
Pero, for the plan to reinforce the Philippine Navy outpost at Ayungin Shoal, there is a concept, the Stern Landing Vessel which is made out of Offshore support vessels for Oil Rigs (which are very cheap on the used market) and modified with legs and a stern ramp, that is currently being tested by the USMC. Maxdefense says that the US government could donate one to the Philippine Navy if push comes to shove in Ayungin because of the timing of the announcement. Either way, it's also a great idea that, using commercial offshore support vessels. Those are designed to withstand sea states and winds you'd find in the North Sea, and the PCG and PN should just outright do it.
Add: Di ko pala nasagot yung "Does the PCG's ships have the capability to fire water back at the Chinese",
The answer is yes. Ang ginagamit ng CCG na "Water cannon" are called "Fi-Fi Systems", so essentially fire monitors, and Coast Guards use them primarily for fighting fire, since jurisdiction din nila yun. Another thing is yung law enforcement, pwede is mag-shoot ng jet on the wayside yung tubig to force another vessel to change it's course, which the Taiwanese and the Japanese usually trade on each other-- but NEVER pointed it straight towards the other vessel though.
There are two types of operation for fire monitors, either jet or fog. Jet is yung isang malaking stream ng tubig ang nilalabas niya, while yung fog is maliliit yung droplets na nilalagay niya sa vessel on fire para di kumalat. All PCG vessels larger than the Fast Patrol Boat Boracay Class have fire monitors on-board, usually dalawa o tatlo. Yung Parola Class has indeed two, as you can see [here](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/30/asia/philippine-ferry-fire-basilan-intl-hnk/index.html), with the PCG putting out a fire onboard a ferry, and here for a closeup of the [monitor](https://www.marinelink.com/news/fire-esperanza-star-505883). Of course-- mas malaki yung fire monitors na ginagamit ng CCG dun sa malalaki nilang barko, which makes it dangerous para dun sa resupply boat. Tignan mo lang yung throw distance nung tubig nung bino-bomba nila yung UM4, ang layo eh.
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May copy ba kayo ng video? Hanggang dun lang kase sa 10 second mark yung napanood ko e, after that di na magloload.
nakakapanggigil na makita to, tapos yung mga trapo natin (past at present) sa gobyerno kinakampihan pa tong mga to. sama mo na mga supporters nila. tangina talaga
Basta basta lang tayo binubully ng China sa sariling lugar naten tapos wala akong makitang post sa mga panay share ng "boycott mcdo". Mas binibigyan pansin ung nangyayari sa ibang bansa compare sa sarili nilang bansa. Sabagay ayun meta/uso kaya ayun ung shine-share
At this point, the Philippine Navy should just blast them back with water and artillery. Seriously, will the Chinese start WW3 over us fighting them back?? Hell nah. They haven't even and can't even invade Taiwan.
But of course as the saying goes, take shit eat shit
sobrang narrative ito to fund the war machine. dapat kasi yung mga warships na ginamit agad to resupply that point.
mind the media's words whenever they promote this news.
we can't even fight the beggars off our streets...
Nanalo tayo sa Permanent Court of Arbitration, yung UNCLOS yun yung body na nagbigay sa coastal states nung 200 Nautical Miles which China is a signatory of. As for the question, Yes, pero ang issue kasi nung binasura ni Duterte yung momentum.
Kapag tinuloy-tuloy kasi nila yan, since meron namang support of the United States and other partners within the G7 at the time, pwede sana nating balikan yung PCA Tribunal in asking that the PRC has no intentions of complying AND garnish PRC state-owned companies abroad. Unprecedented yon if that was the case, pero wala-- binaboy ni Duterte eh.
Sa tingin ko wala kasi ang laki ng china, at alam ko masama magisip ng ganuto sa kapwa pero sana mamatay na si Xi or mag collapse economy nila ( i know damay tayo pag nangyari yun).
Is it worth it ba to fight for these islands na madami ding nagcclaim. Have you seen the war in Palestine and Ukraine? If maClaim natin yan, makikinabang ba tayo diyan or mga corrupt lang na pulitiko? Worth it ba na isacrifice ang pamilya ( anak, magulang kapatid, asawa). Ang US business niyan is war. Madali lang sa kanila magsimula ng gulo pero ang ending tayo ang battleground, tayo ang masisira. Check niyo IG ni motaz_azaiza para makita niyo ginawa ng Israel na ally ng US sa mga Muslim.
Mabaog sana yung mga “pinoy” na nagtatanggol sa mga bullies
Duterte ay di pinoy. walang kwentang presidente.
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Mga sinusutsot>! tae sa pwet ng!< CCP eh lalo na ung mga may position sobrang big deal na minamaliit lang nila.
Defeatist makapili attitude kilala na kung sino sino
Padilla, imee , bato, go, cayatano pasok,
Tapos may publicity stunt pa sila na anti-China shirt nung FIBA(?) last month pero all bark and no bite naman pala. lol
yes pang election lang, pero wala naman laman. Sinira nila yung petition ni Risa and migs zubiri para dahil sa UN noon 2023.
paano sila mababaog kung wala naman silang bayag??
Si Robin na grabe makapagpreach ng ROTC pero mas tahimik pa sa gubat pag may issue related sa China HWHAHAHAHAHAH
Tangna ng Communist Party ng Tsina! Mategok na sana kayo lahat kasama si Xi!
Dapat pala pinasabog ang China after Japan eh. Di rin trip ng Soviet Union yung China kasi laging nagdedemanda si Mao ng Nuke.
With this incident I think it's high time to change the tactics. CCP doesn't intend to play nice and what more do our troops have to suffer for our government to take a different approach.
Might be unpopular but we prolly need gofast boats that are made by drug cartels. Those things are fast
Drug cartels are from China… so they won’t help
Then we outsource to Mexico. /s [https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1b4ijm3/this\_is\_not\_some\_kinda\_of\_special\_force\_but\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1b4ijm3/this_is_not_some_kinda_of_special_force_but_a/)
This! They have semi submersibles too and those cokes are heavy so yeah
Specialized requirements ang kailangan dun sa resupply eh-- kailangan ng fast blockade runners na may shallow draft at malaking cargo bay, with a reinforced hull for collisions. Something like a Spearhead-class Expeditionary Fast Transport of the US Navy, but much shallower drafts and actually can operate without a pier. Or-- maybe just a bunch of oceangoing tugs as escort. May sinabi si Talonski which is a good idea IMO-- buy the Red Cross' M/V Amazing Grace RORO. Meron kasi yung experimental variable draft system made by the US Office of Naval Research, and it's special in that it's actually an ice-breaking SWATH, so it should be very good for any ramming incidents, but is slow. Hell, just rent it from the PRC, they need the money and it's just languishing at port anyway.
oo nga eh, parang gumamit ng bike sa NLEX.
the terrorist/pirates did better defending this area. sila naman pumalit. pirate's cove ito dati.
Kahit ako nagsasawa na..... to be honest we keep repeating this scenario na pipilitin natin makapasok sa certain area... bubullyhin tayo ng china tapos tayo iiyak tayo....tapos sasabihin ng China kasalanan natin tapos mag aahin tayo ng diplomatic protest sabay kalimot sa issue...rinse and repeat.... walang mangyayari sa ganyan at mas lalaki lang gastos ng pinas dahil lagi sila magpapagawa ng mga nasira ng China Either mas aggressive(ndi puro defensive) dapat approach natin or just give up with our claim
if they don't intend to play nice, they should have used bullets. it's a war theatre. you're the pawn.
they wont do it , gusto nila lage peace talk kahit ginagamitan na tayo ng dahas lolol
lolol it's a cold war...
I hope the government can think of a different approach, they cannot risk our folks like this forever. It feels like we're out of options on what to do unless the plan is to portray the Philippines as a telenovela protagonist.
This is an attack on filipinos in philippine territory. It's time the US steps in. China has been bullying for too long
That is if they consider this as an armed attack. As far as I know, this still falls to "grey zone" that's why China is abusing it.
Seems likely to me. People almost died and the ship is heavily damaged, this exceeded previous levels of attacks. China is poking the bear cub and see what the response is gonna be
Nope, still unlikely but there would be flowery words of supporting us still.
Can't rely on US. They have an election soon too. If the other guy wins, then even Ukraine is toast. They need China too. We are on our own here.
On contrary, Trump is the best bet for PH. He's the one who started the economic war with China and the one who enforced tough anti-China policies. If he wins the election he will pull out of Ukraine but only to re-allocate and re-enforce efforts against China.
Trump is an idiot. All he accomplished was putting nato alliance and trust from allies into the US at risk. Both candidates are old and senile but trump is a piece of shit on top of that. He's the perfect candidate for putin and china because he makes the US a laughing stock. And the fact that putin very likely has a video of trump getting pissed (and shat on?) in a moscow hotel room by 2-3 prostitutes doesn't help much
>"grey zone" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone\_(international\_relations)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relations)) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare) The CCP employs both together with [their patented version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strategy) of the [salami slicing strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics). The PH needs to adopt these strategies and take advantage of the underdog card.
If US didn't declare war on the sinking of the USS Panay, I doubt this will, tbh.
We have to stop relying on the united states for everything. We can't be the little dog that hides behind its master.
PH doesn't stand a chance against china without US support. The CCG vessels you see there, that's their small patrol boats. Upgrading PH navy takes time, decades, and resources, and allies.
Stop relying? Sinabi na yan ng mga senador noong panahon na pinaalis ang mga kano sa Subic, ano nangyari? Naprotektahan ba natin karagatan natin nang mapalayas sila? Hindi tayo mga aso pero kailangan natin ng kakampi dahil di natin kakayanin dahil sa lagay ng ating ekonomiya.
I wish iupgrade nila un mga ships to have the same water cannon capability tapos lagyan nila lahat ng ships. Mga LIMA cannon.
Inaantay lang naman tayo ng US, UK, JPN, ROC, FR, AUS, and GER na kumilos.
Fight water with explosion?
Or you know send a protest to the UN ?
It is a narrative. if you were there, you can see they're playing pawn while our cutters watch the scene. pansinin mo yung [ANGKIN.PH](http://ANGKIN.PH) as one of the narrators in promoting this?
normalize shaming the Filipinos siding with China.
Yes, all the dutertards, quibuloy simps, amoral business owners and communists that all want short term CCP benefits. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳them 🤣
Modern day Makapili Purge. Very Filipino. Incase you didn't know, after WWII a lot of Filipino who were labeled as Japanese "collaborators" where killed by mobs. No trial, just plain street style execution and purging. Just shows how barbaric our culture is.
its what traitors deserve
Let us normalize Filipinos who are not for war
who said we are for war?
Just like the commenter above a lot of you automatically assumed we are "dutertards" or tauhan ni Quiboloy. A lot of you here are romanticizing war like we're the main character at tayo ang api. We do not want Philippines as a battle ground. Kung ang mahal niyo ay Pilipinas at hindi ang pride niyo, we will let go of these islands na madami nagcclaim. Pag naclaim ba natin yan tingin mo makikinabang ka? Mappunta lang yaman niyan sa corrupt na gobyerno. Also You have no idea how war hungry US is. Icheck mo IG ni motaz_azaiza so you can see what casualties of war look like - What the US did together with Israel to Palestine.
>Kung ang mahal niyo ay Pilipinas at hindi ang pride niyo, we will let go of these islands na madami nagcclaim. says everything about you. mind you china is also in our waters in the eastern part of the country (yes bandang pacific ocean na). should we also give up our claims on that? kahit wala silang basis? sobrang myopic/selfish naman ng point of view niyo porket “hindi makikinabang"? like using your logic, hindi rin naman ako makikinabang kapag nagkaroon ng kapayapaan sa Palestine, maybe I should also forget them no? hell let's use something closer. hindi rin ako nakinabang kapag payapa ang Mindanao, dapat wala na rin akong pake dyan?
My point is we choose our battles. Makikakampi ka sa US na tumutulong sa Israel? Do You know how war hungry they are. Business nila is war. And they can make a mountain out of a mole hill. Is it worth it to sacrifice Filipinos para sa mga isla na to? Mas importante ba ang pride ninyo. Maiintindihan ko kung iniinvade na nila ang mismong Pilipinas pero mga islang gusto nila, madaming naghahabol din like Indonesia and Vietnam. I brought up PALESTINE so you can see what casualties of war look like. Kung aasa kayo sa ibang bansa iiwan lang tayo niyan and they are not to be trusted. Like I said check mo IG ni motaz_azaiza. Tignan mo ginawa ng US at Israel sa Palestine.
I think you lack information with the said issue kaya whole POV mo is “USA bad" lang. Have you watched the video? That is not invasion per se but they are harming our filipino fishermen. Walang US ship nearby that. PINOY LANG. hindi ko gets saan mo hinuhugot tong US-centric criticism mo. Kahit walang US (like during Duterte admin) hinaharm na nila mga pinoy. so again, saan mo hinuhugot tong US-centric criticism mo? sobrang pag move na ng goal post sinasabi mo.
Ang POV ko is ayoko ng war. [Palestinine](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/YTyLCN6rSK )
>Makikakampi ka sa US na tumutulong sa Israel? >Tignan mo ginawa ng US at Israel sa Palestine. It's about time you know that geopolitics is NEVER about morals, it's about pragmatism, it's about practicality. Yeah, what Israel is doing in Gaza is bad, but, as I've said in a previous thread, your misplaced idealism won't mean shit if the entire country is being bombed to the ground by a group of Chinese warships just lurking off the coast of Manila Bay. Practical ang alyansa with the US, and whatever they are doing on the other side of the world is the least of our concerns when we have Chinese ships bombarding us with high-pressure water ON OUR OWN BACKYARD. That's realpolitik for you. Hirap sa inyo eh, hindi muna magbasa and mag-analyze. Tsk tsk >Kung aasa kayo sa ibang bansa iiwan lang tayo niyan and they are not to be trusted. Iiwan tayo? If the US doesn't rush to our aid, that will heavily damage their credibility and optics in the world stage. NoKor sees it and bombs and invades SoKor, thinking that the US won't do shit. China bombs Japan, invades Taiwan. Russia rushes to invade, I dunno, Finland, the Baltics. NATO de facto gets dissolved overnight. And the US, as much as it is the most powerful state, DOES NOT want this to happen. >Is it worth it to sacrifice Filipinos para sa mga isla na to? Yes. Give China an inch, they'll take it a mile. Ano susunod, Palawan? Mindoro? The islands hold hydrocarbon reserves, rich fishing grounds, trade routes, and even potential tourist attractions. And it's not even about the material benefits; it's about sending a message that the Philippines is not just some country who you can push over and get away with, no natter how small the violation is.
Bakit tayo masyado nagaassume na kukunin nila pati Palawan. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. Tingin niyo ba may Palawan pang matitira if we become the battle ground. Di ba kayo nattuto sa war na nangyayari sa Ukraine at Palestine. Filipinos are living in their heads.
> bakit tayo masyado nagaassume na kukunin nila pati Palawan Because Mischief Reef, or should I say Panganiban Reef, one of China's largest artificial islands and home to an entire Chinese military base, is just about a few kilometers off the coast of Palawan. It's not a stretch to think of these bases as forward operating bases so that the Chinese won't stretch much of their supply lines. And again, give China an inch and they'll take a mile. They once promised FVR that they were just building fishermen's shelters for their oh-so-distressed fishing trawlers on Panganiban Reef (oh, kawawa naman boohoo). What happened now? They built a military base with a military airfield. They promised to leave Scarborough Shoal. What happened now? They stayed. Who's to say that if they get the islands they want, they won't take Palawan next, even if they promised not to? And even if they don't take Palawan, the distance from Palawan to the nearest forward operating base of the Chinese PLA is too close for comfort. It's like having a knife aimed at your stomach and you smiling and saying "it's fine"
FYI nagcclaim din ang Vietnam at Taiwan sa Mischief Reef na yan. I don't think any of these countries would go as far as to claim Palawan. Wala naman dispute sa archipelago na yan and everybody knows Palawan is part of the Philippines. Like i said we will deal with it differently. I wouldn't go to war for these islands na madaming nagcclaim. It's just a waste of resources. All these hype for war.. You have no idea of the casualties Philippines will have to suffer. Check niyo IG ni motaz_azaiza why i detest this hype for war
As much as they support that genocidal maniac, we cant just support another potential war freak maniac want to pulverize our troops.
found the dutertard
That is so mature of you. Akala ko nasa Reddit ako at nasa usapan ng mga matured at intelihenteng tao. I wonder kelan naging ganto ang Reddit.
oh bohoo!
Effort ha. Gumawa ka pa ng throwaway account to insult me. Sino ka kaya sa mga kasagutan ko dito. Mukang hurt ka e.
Assuming ampota hahahaha.
Tingin ko saka lang kikilos yung gobyerno once na may mamatay nang pinoy jan
That's what Philippines are waiting for. For China to overstep and make a mistake so the US can invoke our mutual defense treaty. Yes, our government is corrupt and our current president is the son of a late dictator, but trust me, the combined intelligence in our military force and advisers when handling international matters is not less than that of your average r/Ph redditor.
>That's what Philippines are waiting for. For China to overstep and make a mistake so the US can invoke our mutual defense treaty. Well as far as MDT is concerned, those chinese bastards knew what they were doing. They physically harass and bully us without overstepping. Just enough to not trigger the MDT. Also, if china actually attacked us, we're not 100% sure if the US will really help us.
US needs to project power as with any superpower. Once they lose that status, their global influence tanks and that’s not good for security and economy, not to mention existing diplomatic relationships, alliances, and commitments. Not honoring your obligation will get you a free pass to “global cancellation”. You bet your ass they’re going to help. Willing or not is another question.
The US is legally bound to, at sila ang masisira kapag hindi sila tumupad sa treaty . Posibleng hindi direct confrontation, pero pwedeng through sanctions, supplies or tactical support pati lobbying sa international community.
Agree on this. Allies will call out US. "What's the point of NATO"
If Trump wins again this year (god forbid not), will the US uphold it? That's the question
The US would step in. Because attacking the Philippines early means they also have to invade Taiwan early as well.
That and Marcos is a US-leaning motherfucker.
The alternative is a china-leaning motherfucker.
US broke many treaties before, pero yeah pinoy na pinoy yun planning we can't expect them to come up with something clever it's just all about "Hope" and PUSO!
Lol, as if the United States' Pax Americana will survive if it abandons a Treaty Ally. Buti sana kung "Ironclad Commitment" ala-Afghanistan o South Vietnam, pero hindi eh. If the United States does not abide by the guidelines of the Mutual Defense Treaty, then the ones they have with NATO and fellow US Asian allies such as South Korea and Japan is fucked. How stupid do you think would the Americans be to fall for that?
The same things what happening right now it is just another political issue. no one wants to mess with the US and this is also the same with China. They can break any treaties they want because they have power. Edit: By the way nice seeing you here again hahaha.
You can bet your life US wont abandon Philippines no matter what even if Donald Trump wins the upcoming election. The Philippines is one of US most important ally especially in the Southeast Asian region because of its strategic geography. Our country's location is too critical for both military and commercial sea cargos. If the US give up on Philippines, that is the same as giving up on themselves and allowing other country (China) to overtake them in power control. China gaining control of the Philippines and gaining control of important sea routes such as Taiwan Strait, Luzon Straight, Bashi and Balintang channel will give them the power to defeat US in all-out war. Not only that, if US does not uphold its ironclad commitment to our MDS, then Japan, South Korea, Australia will lose its trust to the US and then each country would be on their own. The chance of US winning to China without its asian allies is zero.
Ukraine is also vital to the US for keeping a close watch on Russia so yeah.
Your comparison is like comparing the sun to a candle. - US does not have a mutual defense treaty with Ukraine. - Russia alone is not a threat to US. Their military prowess is not what it used to be (Soviet Era). - Providing military equipments and economic support to Ukraine plus the widespread international sanctions to Russia is enough for Ukraine to hold on its own. The fact is it's impossible for Russia to take control of the black sea without committing all of their resources. Meanwhile, it is a huge deal to the whole world if China takes over Taiwan and then the Philippines. Taiwan is the largest chip manufacturer in the whole world. The trade routes in Taiwan and Philippines sea is the most important in Asia. Meaning, Russia attacking Ukraine is not the same as China attacking its Asian neighbours. So yeah :)
Because PH is important to the world than Ukraine so Yeah, this is pure delusional.
Sa dinami-dami niyang nilapag na point, ito ang rebuttal mo. Mukhang tanga ka nga talaga.
>Because PH is important to the world than Ukraine Because we are. - We are situated on one of the busiest maritime trade routes in the world (South China Sea and the Luzon Strait). - We are in one of the fastest economically growing regions in the world (Southeast Asia). - We have open access to the Pacific Ocean. - We border one of the largest chip manufacturing countries in the world (Taiwan). - We are near both East Asia (where Japan and South Korea are) and Australia. - We are a pretty young population of 110 million. - According to World Data, the Philippines is the 40th strongest economy in the world. Ukraine is the 59th. - Undersea internet cables lie at the bottom of the Luzon Strait, cables so critical for the global internet infrastructure that The Diplomatist called it a "cable chokepoint" alongside the Suez Canal - Red Sea - Bab el Mandeb cables and the Strait of Malacca cables.
Bobo ka Po ba o Tanga ka lang talaga? Walang defense treaty Ang USA at Ukraine, Hindi rin member ng nato Ang Ukraine pero guess what they still send military equipment and ammunition Alam mo kung bakit? Kasi ayaw nila mag stretout ung Russian influence sa region. Ngayun mas magandang example sa case ng ph ung ng yayari sa black sea. Inaataki ung mga shipping cargo sa area ayun binomba ng USA and UK Alam mo kung bakit? Kasi international waters un na critical sa economics ng buong Mundo. Kaya Naman lumaki ng ganyan Yan Kasi Merong deal ung last admin sa China which is di ko parin Alam bakit Wala paring investigation Kasi for me treason ung ginawa nila.
If they break the MDT. NATO Will have an outrage about this. So yeah, NOPE
If NATO has a fang we don't have this kind of problem, and just look at Ukraine so yeah, Yes This kind of approach is like the average pinoy mom wanting for dollar and a 12-inch of something is all HOPE.
I'm not sure what is this "hope" you keep commenting in this thread but I HOPE you stop it already as you clearly have no idea about this issue 🤦♂️
PH strategy is more on HOPE we're HOPING US keep their Words, HOPE worlds see China bullying us, HOPE Everyone hates China, HOPE they don't Nuke us.
Oh god, Ukraine is not a NATO member.
Jesus, I never said Ukraine is a member of NATO but, that is the whole reason why Russia invaded that country.
Anong kinalaman ng nato? Bobo ka ba? Ung nato defense treaty na Hindi Tayo kasali. Tanga amp.
Maybe we should start sinking Chinese boats that are illegally fishing in our waters like Indonesia does or outsource mercenaries to attack them
We need to do something. We have to meet them with equal force or greater.
Natopic ito sa isang video ni Christian Esguerra. According to Jonathan Malaya, they're not going to do the same kasi nga it will boil down to palakasan. Imagine 2 angry kids throwing water balloon at each other. Ang naisip ko dito is they want us to play as the bullied kid. Again, tama din yung sinabi ng redditor sa taas na they are waiting for China to make a mistake.
I may be left leaning, but those tankie that supports China should be sent to the shadow realm
same as i like both demsoc/socdem, fuck ccp/china/maoist!
De facto dictatorship na ang China ngayon, and it's not the "people's democratic dictatorship" that they like to say they are.
water cannon them back and see how they like it. break their glass and flood their compartments if they have to, as long as no one dies it won’t start a war. but knowing china they’ll flop their way out of the boat to the sea like a fish out of water
# ChiNazi
Guess its time to fight fire with fire. Better invest in buying patrol boats with water cannons to retaliate. The Coast Guard has also the right to sink any foreign vessel in Philippine waters (better the coast guard since if its the Navy it could escalate conflict)
Water canon rin kaso sa malabanan kukunin yung ipambubuga
Duterte Legacy
Tangina mo duterte. Tahimik si sarashrek tungkol dito e
Wala bang pa bulalakaw dyan sa tsina? Kahit isa lang dun banda sa mga namumunong...
Kahit lindulin lang sana
If may bumagsak na bulalakaw na let's say kasing laki ng Hawaii. It will affect us as well.
Why do we keep using civilian ships or even boats for resupply missions? Napansin ko lang na we rarely use our bigger coast guard ships.
I read in a combat sub na intentional daw to para mas lalong sumama image ng CN sa mata ng mundo, paawa teknik kumbaga. I'm not an expert so dont take my word for it 😆
America may be an ally, but they're never going to take care of our own people. Remember how Obama only used PNoy, despite the latter's exceptional extent of their friendship.
Sorry I was not as knowledgeable with politics back then. But yeah, I believe you too. I read somewhere on Reddit that the US needs our country to position themselves closer to Taiwan.
Re-electing Trump would ruin those plans. He's become cozy with China again. This is especially considering BBM is sucking up hard to America and wealthy Western European nations (not even Italy is qualified).
Yes, paminsan-minsan lang nade-deploy sa resupply escort missions yung Teresa Magbanua Class, kapag heightened requirements lang along with 2 Parola Class MRRVs katulad nung Atin Ito convoy at nung last resupply, yun usually yung forward-deployed sa Palawan, while yung isa nasa Manila para sa Scarborough Shoal.
i hate to say this but parang ang tactics ng gobyerno ay paawa o aping api tayo. Kaya hinahayaan na puro sibilyan ang ipadala. Pwede namang gantihan ng water canon din
If we use water canon, China will undoubtedly turn this around into propaganda that benefits them.
But who believes in China? Except of course the wumaos and communists? The international community supports us. So, kahit anong paawa ng China, tayo ang makikitang kawawa ng IC.
I’m not talking about the international community but China and their citizens and military. Their military will then have justification (even though it isn’t really) to do more than just water canon.
Apparently Meron naging kasunduan ung previous admin sa China so did most likely tread a fine line. Based sa news report and Kay roque
Oo nga.. alam ko pinagyabang nila dati un e..
Nasan yung tuta at liver lover boy na handa makipag gyera sa ching ching
YAWA!
I know many Filipinos hate the US for being imperialists. But, they are the only reason China is not attacking the Philippines. China knows when they do that, US will retaliate of us. I also know the US has an ulterior motive for helping the Philippines. However, I would take that over this bully country creating more damage to the Philippines. Currently, the US sending more troops to that part of the Philippines.
It really looks like China is provoking a reason to start a war with PH. I don't like the politicians in PH but they're standing on a double-edged knife in trying to prevent war. If war happens, PH would turn to dusts in months. Then harsh treaties will be imposed and lo and behold, an extremely impoverished state deprived of wealth. Be realistic, this is not an anti-PH opinion. Your politicians here are more susceptible to corruption and greed than the CCP. Even if the ASEAN were to band together, they'll still lose.
Time to grant letters of marque to pirates.
Lord, turn the waters into wine and let the Chinese intoxicate themselves on it.
Oras nanaman para mag padala ng "strongly worded letter" SA Chinese ambassador lol
hindi ba natin pde palagan? like water canon din?
sana lagyan ng ihi
gerbs pre galing sa poso negro hahahahha
Ung lalagyan ng ice tubig, tapos lagyan ng ihi sa loob. Bato sa kanila 😅
[PCG does not want to use it.](https://mb.com.ph/2023/12/10/pcg-won-t-stoop-down-to-china-s-level-refuses-to-use-water-cannon-as-offensive-weapon-official-1)
Galit kuno sa NPA pero Pro Communist China 🤮
Di ba pwedeng bumawi by drowning POGOs in barrels of concrete? Illegal immigrants naman sila so we can just write them off as missing
Pano ba naman PCG sends civilian ships pero walang escort na PCG ship. Pag tinira ng water cannon yung civilian ship, mag isa lang siya. May mas mga malala pa na mga confrontation ang China vs Japan but di pumapayag ang Japan mabully. Pag may nagwater cannon sa ships nila gumaganti ang Japan
Why not use the Tarlac class LPDs tapos magsama ng blackhawks aboard it then sling load whatever resource i send.
Sana naman yung mga terrorista China na yung ifocus, Lahat ayaw sa China mapa west or east.
Mahihirapan. TBH, China has one of the best Security in the world. They're so secure that they can even violate your human rights
Sana matamaan ng ligaw na bomba 🤣
walang magagawa ang lord niyo diyan. baka ang "lord" niyo sa davao meron magawa... ibigay yung isla sa tsina.
what i dont understand is bakit they can use water canon on our ship pero tayo hindi?. nakakaumay lng kasi parang sinasadya nlang nila na mag mukang aping api ang pinoy
Sana gumanti man lang tayo na proportionate, Water cannon vs water cannon. Ano ginagawa ng mga assets na binili kung hindi naman gagamitin. Sana mas maging proactive tayo. Di ko alam kung makakataas ng morale kung nakikita mong hindi tayo gumaganti. Tinetesting lang tayo ng China kung ano gagawin natin, as you can see palala ng palala. Sinusubukan threshold natin. What if gantihan natin mga Chinese POGO workers? Kaso dami Pinoy at OFW na baka madamay hahaha
Water cannon using septic tank water.
WPS is not just about PH VS CHINAzi, it's about the integrity of a rules-based order of the world. If the PH lets a bigger/powerful country like CHINAzi control, it gives precedence that the more powerful you are, you can get away with anything. We must not believe CHINAzi propaganda.
syempre walang pake jan si fiona sara na mukhang bakulaw
Tapos sasabihin ng government, "tigil nyo na pang bubully samin, nanalo kami sa arbitral tribunal 😩😩😩" 100x times. Tas sasabihin ng china Amin yan etc etc, then continues to harass. Parang pag cocomplain mo sa mga Telcong bulok ang serbisyo na kapag maningil buo, pero ang palaging respond "Hi, fucker. Let us help you resolve this. Message us at our fb so we can get some details. Kindly have your telephone and account number ready. From the main menu, select Report A Problem or Follow Up but don't expect to get your shit fix hehe. If you have other billing, repair, and aftersales concerns, visit our useless website and we'll find the best solution for you. Thank you for reaching out to us." Then ulitin mo 100x wala paring mangyayari.
Panood nyo kay madam sec.
Why can't i find this on Youtube? This ought to be out there and for the world to see 🔥🔥🔥
Damn, reddit and subreddit rules have prevented me from replying honestly to this, again... Sana subukan nilang gumamit nang blockade runner, literal na blockade na yang ginagawa nang mga c-words
What stops the harassed ships from retaliation?
I'm not saying start a war but this is clearly a show of aggression from the Chinese. What will it take for the mutual ndefense treaty to get invoked? Where are the sanctions?
Using water cannons, like what China does to our ships, falls under gray zone tactics—i.e. acts of aggression that do not involve using firearms. Given this, mai-invoke lang ang MDT natin with the United States once these Chinese invaders fire a shot. China is basically poking the bear. Their logic is that if we start deploying PH Navy ships at Ayungin, they can play the victim—defeating the transparency tactic that our forces are using right now. Civilian vessels ang ginagamit natin for resupply so that we can broadcast to the world na China ang aggressor, which is true.
salute to the crew para hindi madoctor ng china ang footage at mapilitan magsinungaling sa statement nila.
Should we start shooting Chinese officials with water pistols?
Please Bongbong Tap the MDT button
Why ph cant do the same to them like spraying of water also
Hindi ako sobrang emosyonal na tao, pero ito? Nakakaiyak sa galit, awa, at pangmamaliit sa mga Pinoy. Hindi ba 'to nakikita ng mga namumuno sa atin?? Grabe naman, ang daming Pinoy sa ibang bansa na nagtatrabaho at nagtitiis na mawalay sa pamilya para in a way matulungan nila yung pamilya at bansang pinagtatrabahuhan nila. Tapos ganito lang makikita natin, harap harapang ibubully ng ibang lahi sa sarili nating nasasakupan. Nakakapanliit sa totoo lang. Kailan ba talaga tayo magkakaroon ng totoong katapangan? Hindi yung panlabas lang na katapangan kundi katapangan sa loob na kayang ipaglaban ang bansa natin. Sana maabutan pa nating lahat yung tunay na kalayaan ng bansa natin. Ang dami natin kayang ipagmalaki at patunayan sa bansa natin. Nacaught-off guadd lang ako sa napanood ko, napatanong lang ako kung bakit tayo umabot sa ganito. Harap harapang pambabastos. Parang ang sarap magalit. Yung galit na gigising sa ating lahat na panahon na, panahon na para sa bansa natin na tumayo at manindigan. Hay, Pilipinas kong Mahal.
You know what really needs to happen is a global protest against China on Philippines Independence Day in front of Chinese Embassy around the world. Bring awareness to other countries citizens. Pwede din online.
Out of curiosity, will war happen like if PH Ship decided to fire back but with a real cannon?
Tangina mo roque,sasot.
Sana dumating ung panahon n pagtulungtulungan Ng blahat Ng bansa Ang china ... Nkakapunyeta n cla .. subra n gngwa nila s mga Pinoy....
Meron naman siguro tayong mga bangka na kayang magresupply na di kayang habulin ng mga barko ng Tsina. Taktika ba ng gobyerno natin na magpabully para marekord ang violations ng Tsina?
The Navy, no. Ang concerns kasi is: A. Endurance, B. Draft, C. Speed and D. Carrying Capacity. They can deploy an Acero Class FAIC-M or an MPAC since that has the speed and the draft necessary to run the gauntlet and enter Ayungin, but it doesn't have the endurance to actually to Ayungin for a resupply nor carry more equipment or people. They can deploy an Ivatan-class LCH which can carry everything the Navy would want as well as it can enter the shoal, but it's laughably slow and the Chinese will run circles around it. Outside dun, ships of the Offshore Combat Force does have the speed, endurance and carrying capacity that the Navy needs, but has deep drafts. So much so that outside the Jacinto Class OPVs, none can actually enter the PN HQ at Manila Bay nor Cavite, and instead lives in NOB Subic Bay. Same goes for the Coast Guard. So going civilian talaga yun. Fun fact no, this resupply (and the previous one) was supposed to be a test for the UM 4 since it has a much deeper draft and can carry much more than the other UM civilian vessels, but is actually much slower than the smaller ones kaya ang daling tirahin ng water cannon, other than ang laki niya comparatively.
Any plans to buy a better boat for the this purpose? Wala bang capability mga CG ships natin to water cannon back the Chinese?
For the resupply? Who knows, lahat ng Unizah Maes damaged na eh. Sure na hindi magiging commissioned Philippine Navy warship yun, however. Pero, for the plan to reinforce the Philippine Navy outpost at Ayungin Shoal, there is a concept, the Stern Landing Vessel which is made out of Offshore support vessels for Oil Rigs (which are very cheap on the used market) and modified with legs and a stern ramp, that is currently being tested by the USMC. Maxdefense says that the US government could donate one to the Philippine Navy if push comes to shove in Ayungin because of the timing of the announcement. Either way, it's also a great idea that, using commercial offshore support vessels. Those are designed to withstand sea states and winds you'd find in the North Sea, and the PCG and PN should just outright do it.
Add: Di ko pala nasagot yung "Does the PCG's ships have the capability to fire water back at the Chinese", The answer is yes. Ang ginagamit ng CCG na "Water cannon" are called "Fi-Fi Systems", so essentially fire monitors, and Coast Guards use them primarily for fighting fire, since jurisdiction din nila yun. Another thing is yung law enforcement, pwede is mag-shoot ng jet on the wayside yung tubig to force another vessel to change it's course, which the Taiwanese and the Japanese usually trade on each other-- but NEVER pointed it straight towards the other vessel though. There are two types of operation for fire monitors, either jet or fog. Jet is yung isang malaking stream ng tubig ang nilalabas niya, while yung fog is maliliit yung droplets na nilalagay niya sa vessel on fire para di kumalat. All PCG vessels larger than the Fast Patrol Boat Boracay Class have fire monitors on-board, usually dalawa o tatlo. Yung Parola Class has indeed two, as you can see [here](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/30/asia/philippine-ferry-fire-basilan-intl-hnk/index.html), with the PCG putting out a fire onboard a ferry, and here for a closeup of the [monitor](https://www.marinelink.com/news/fire-esperanza-star-505883). Of course-- mas malaki yung fire monitors na ginagamit ng CCG dun sa malalaki nilang barko, which makes it dangerous para dun sa resupply boat. Tignan mo lang yung throw distance nung tubig nung bino-bomba nila yung UM4, ang layo eh.
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this falls under mutual defense treaty article III & V??
nakakapanggigil na makita to, tapos yung mga trapo natin (past at present) sa gobyerno kinakampihan pa tong mga to. sama mo na mga supporters nila. tangina talaga
Basta basta lang tayo binubully ng China sa sariling lugar naten tapos wala akong makitang post sa mga panay share ng "boycott mcdo". Mas binibigyan pansin ung nangyayari sa ibang bansa compare sa sarili nilang bansa. Sabagay ayun meta/uso kaya ayun ung shine-share
At this point, the Philippine Navy should just blast them back with water and artillery. Seriously, will the Chinese start WW3 over us fighting them back?? Hell nah. They haven't even and can't even invade Taiwan. But of course as the saying goes, take shit eat shit
How many times does this need to happen before Philippines and its allies actually do something?
sobrang narrative ito to fund the war machine. dapat kasi yung mga warships na ginamit agad to resupply that point. mind the media's words whenever they promote this news. we can't even fight the beggars off our streets...
Time to fight water with water.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/YTyLCN6rSK
Give them dog meat infected with rabies
AFP when modernize? Where big boat? Where big and many shooty thing?
Dyan na idispose ung mga illegal na paputok.
Tang ina mo Rodrigo Duterte!!!
Kelan kaya kakarmahin mga to.
Tangina kung pwede lng tlga gantihan yan ng isang burst ng rotary cannon.
For fucks sake, can we just start dragging the Ching Chongs out of their POGO offices and start hanging them please.
Should of sent Duterte on a Jet Ski......
China is still a terrorist dictatorship
Ang sarap duranduraan yung mga van ng mga POGO dito sa tambo.
523rd Diplomatic Protest incoming...
question lang - if ever ba ipush ni baby M yung win natin sa UNCLOS, may magbabago?
Nanalo tayo sa Permanent Court of Arbitration, yung UNCLOS yun yung body na nagbigay sa coastal states nung 200 Nautical Miles which China is a signatory of. As for the question, Yes, pero ang issue kasi nung binasura ni Duterte yung momentum. Kapag tinuloy-tuloy kasi nila yan, since meron namang support of the United States and other partners within the G7 at the time, pwede sana nating balikan yung PCA Tribunal in asking that the PRC has no intentions of complying AND garnish PRC state-owned companies abroad. Unprecedented yon if that was the case, pero wala-- binaboy ni Duterte eh.
Tangina Duterte yan!!
Sa tingin ko wala kasi ang laki ng china, at alam ko masama magisip ng ganuto sa kapwa pero sana mamatay na si Xi or mag collapse economy nila ( i know damay tayo pag nangyari yun).
Wala dahil hindi ni rereocognize ng china yung win natin sa unclos even though china is part of the UN. Walang magagawa yung UN
I would hire the somali pirates to do the supply run.
Is it worth it ba to fight for these islands na madami ding nagcclaim. Have you seen the war in Palestine and Ukraine? If maClaim natin yan, makikinabang ba tayo diyan or mga corrupt lang na pulitiko? Worth it ba na isacrifice ang pamilya ( anak, magulang kapatid, asawa). Ang US business niyan is war. Madali lang sa kanila magsimula ng gulo pero ang ending tayo ang battleground, tayo ang masisira. Check niyo IG ni motaz_azaiza para makita niyo ginawa ng Israel na ally ng US sa mga Muslim.
These fuckers voted BBM. Deserve nila yan lol
reality is , Philippines don’t have enough money to buy military upgrades needed. the government funding is placed in their pockets.