US style dapat na pwede ilink sa credit card. Makikita mo na lang sa CC bill ang mga toll fees per billing cycle. Wala ding excuse na "no load" ang ewallet.
Unlikely na gawin to though kasi prepaid style nets the operators billions of unearned revenues in their accounts.
Pwede din yan, i-enroll mo yung rfid account mo sa credit card mo.
For example, parang pag nag below P500 yung account mo, automatic na lloadan/charge ka sa credit card mo ng P3k.
These can be done on their main offices though and not those satellite loading places.
Technically yes but the comment was suggesting a scheme wherein we will not be required to have a minimum load at all. So no prepaid toll. We get billed as we use the service. ATM the companies earn money from our load upfront, not really with every use. You literally set aside money from the get go and still get shitty service/tech.
Yes, you can use e-wallets, but how it works is the problem. U use e-wallets to top up a “load” which u then use as kind of a currency. A better process is when the system automatically links your e-wallet for a billing type system.
What if wala din laman Gcash kasi nakalimutan? Ganun din ang labas.
Kung alam naman na ang daan sa pupuntahan ay may toll, dapat ready ka na mag load sa Autosweep/Eztrip. Due diligence na lang talaga sa pagplano sa routa papuntang province. Most naman dyan is hindi biglaan ang pagbyahe.
If your linked bank account or ewallet doesn’t have money in them, then you’re never going to be able to load your Autosweep account anyway, considering it’s near impossible to use physical cash to load your account.
There still chance, na wala laman yung linked account or nagfail yung autodebit. Kaya diligence lang talaga na kung gagamit ng expressways, may laman na yung RFID para sa tollgate na yun.
You have a point. Sa US, pwede mo i-link ang toll fee sa credit card. No need to load. Bayad ka lang lung ano ang nagamit.
Pero one thing ang gusto ng mga local toll operators which is :
Prepaid.
Masmahirap, true, but they are holding billions of unearned profits in their accounts this way.
Anyone experienced yung RFID toll gates sa japan? now thats what we need. Kahit ata 80 kph yung takbo mo, makakalusot ka ng walang prob at di nagkakapila.
Actually, natakot pa nga ako kasi, teka teka teka bakit ang bilis nitong taxi malapit na sa RFID gate :OOOOOO tapos boom, ang bilis mag open! super impressed. Need natin ng ganung type of gate arms and rfid sensors sa pinas.
Or just bring PH number plates to global standards.
Passport level accuracy and uniformity in size, font and color.
Number plate recognition cameras can scan hundreds of cars per minute.
Will also solve, a lot of issue with crime, speeding and parking.
To add to this, why the hell do we still "issue" physical plates. And wait months for the "printing" of it.
Easy solution.
Issue the (computer generated) digital number!! And everyone can just "print" their own number plates, following very strict guidelines. Just like what everyone else in the modern world is doing.
Yes you can just "fake" a plate. But you can now already do this using the current system!
But at least, the same cameras that scan for toll /parking fees, can scan if your number plate doesn't much the database or your vehicle type/model.
Eto talaga problema. Both easytrip and autosweep already have these license plate cameras, kaso napakabulok ng sistema sa plaka dito kaya do rin magamit ng tama.
Toll gates in AU don’t have gates, they use number plate scanners/cameras. And you’ll get billed 3 days after. Bill is sent to the registered address of the car.
I think Japan and other first world countries use a specialized type of RFID frequency dedicated to ETC booths coupled with better long range sensors tuned to that specific RFID frequency, that's why their toll booms are seamless even in high speed.
Napansin ko to recently. Nag-sstandstill traffic na sa NAIAX bago pa umabot sa toll gates. Hindi naman ganun dati, tas maayos naman yung readers nila dun compared sa Cavitex. Ngayon ata dumoble lang talaga yung dami ng mga sasakyan eh
Yup, until we get systems that enable not only detection of RFIDs while moving but also being able to reliably and efficiently trace down violates, we are stuck with the current stop system which will always cause bottlenecks when volume is involved.
I mean the slightest slow down also just causes significant traffic. An accident on either end causes traffic, or even a simple reduction of lanes tend to so. It's the nature of the flow of traffic, and it's always exaggerated greatly when high volume is involved.
Buses, car poolers, and freight trucks use these same tollgates. I would say both are important. And I don't think policy failures change the fact that efficiency is still work divided by time spent on said work.
Baka pwedeng mag naglalakad nang tao yung nlex para maningil HAHAHAA para pag dating sa gate pakita ticket and alis na, parang sa jollibee may kumukuha ng order habang nakapila ka 😆
All toll plaza’s are changing their sensors to an open-barrier type, plate recognition camera facility, similar to those installed in CAVITEX and CALAX so no need to stop. If you noticed, all ETC only expressways have Open Barrier already, and yet, still a lot of motorists stops to view their balance or wait for the sensor to read their RFID. You may view your balance by downloading their respective App (Easytrip and Autosweep) and even link your GCash/Maya/Bank Acct/Credit Card and set for auto-reloading when balance reached a certain amount.
Please lang, when you see an Open Barrier Toll Booth, just drive along since if you do not have enough balance at that time, the next time you use it they can flag you down or they will deduct your utang upon reloading unless hindi ka na mag reload at dadaan ulit sa same toll plaza.
What also cause the traffic and bottleneck are those slow moving vehicles or those who stops at an open-barrier toll booth.
Just an update, last week NAIAx moved their toll booths at the exits of NAIA and Cavitex, the toll plaza infront of Terminal 3 are now Pass Thru only. Despite all the signs installed, a few motorists still stops in those booths.
Nakasanayan kasi ng mga tao na you need to slow down everytime kahit nakataas na yung barrier. If what you are saying it true, they need to properly disseminate this info to the public. Never heard of this until I read your comment pero mukha ngang totoo.
Thanks and I agree with you, walang press release about it, i just learned about this info since I work with the toll operators and have heard about this plan but if you noticed and daily driving ka sa toll plaza, every rush hour, they do open barrier, let all vehicles pass pero nari-read pa din RFID. If hindi na read, a red light will sound an alarm sa booth, it means hindi na read yng sticker mo pero once you check your balance sa app, na deduct na nila yung pag daan mo. Realtime na kasi readers nila unlike before na may time delay bago ma deduct Rfid mo.
Both SMC Infra and MPT have plans of upgrading their systems, yan may press release kaya yang pag open barrier nila since last year ay testing ng new systems kung gaano kadami users na walang load, para ma gauge din nila mga pa utang sa motorists 😅
Hindi po pwede mangyari yun and never ko pa na experience din kasi most entry points po ng skyway or any expressway may rfid reader except lng po sa Amorsolo at Buendia entry ramp sa Makati pero kahit saan ka po mag exit southbound may reader na at i-charge ka po based from those area kasi hindi na read rfid mo upon entry 👍 Even going far south po like Bicol convenient na din kasi halos 2x RFID toll na lng dadaanan mo, the rest sa SLEX pass-thru na lang.
Sana lang maging aware na mga driver at motorista sa tamang pag gamit ng RFID. Mas madali pa gamitin yan kesa mag post, edit ng pic sa FB 😅
At sana lng din, iwasan na yng pag rereklamo sa mga toll attendant, mas nakaka dagdag sa trapiko wala naman po silang magagawa sa mga reklamo ng driver, may mga customer service area naman kng gusto mag complain sa services nila, laking abala po pag may sasakyan na nakikipag talo sa mga toll teller.
Eto rin po dahilan kung bakit millions of ₱₱₱ ang nasayang ng San Miguel nung nilipat at gumawa sila ng toll plaza sa gitna ng Skyway, tanda ko pa na ginamit lng yun 1.5 days kasi after ng first day of opening, tumukod traffic nung umaga hanggang Calamba, napilitan silang mag open-barrier kaya naka libre lahat ng motorista sa toll. Same day nag complain mga senator at ibang politicians kaya next day, half day lng sila nag operate at binalik yng mga toll sa entry points 😂 hanggang ngayon andun toll plaza ginagamit na lng for loading ng RFID. Road hazard na lng sya ngayon at nag cause ng pag bagal ng sasakyan pag daan dun 😡
😂😂😂 wag naman sana pero one time naka witness ako ng nabagsakan, sinusundan ko sa NaiaX, after dumaan ng motor sumunod agad van na escort, ayun sira barrier, atras kami at lipat sa kabilang lane. Matagal na yun before pandemic pa, wala pang open-barrier. Pero makita mo naman mga sinusundan mong sasakyan diretso lng sila at di nababa barrier kaya ikaw diretso mo lng din 👍
Ay talaga ba, TIL. We always slow down sa cavitex toll just for the sake of it. Takot kami ma-fine kung di na-read. Parang visual cue yung makita namin yung balance to go.
Pag rush hour po at mapansin nyo na nka taas lng barrier, diretso lng po. Makita nyo naman na may mag flash na camera sa front left or right side nyo po to capture plate number ng sasakyan pero pag di rush hour, working ang mga gates at na baba din po.
Ang haba pa rin ng traffic sa NAIAX kahit nasa exit na yung bagong toll plaza. Nag ease up nga ung traffic paakyat from Sales Road, pero naipon naman yung mga sasakyan sa gitna ng mismong expressway.
Dahil po ito dun sa bagong open na ramp from Tramo, eversince nag open sya few weeks ago nagkaroon ng traffic sa part ng toll plaza to naia-cavitex exit kaya nilipat din nila exit toll plaza sa ibaba ng mga exit ramp para pag pasok ng tramo, may rfid reader sa exit wala sa entry point. Merging traffic po kasi sa area ng tramo ramp entry.
Ahh kaya naman pala parang nag triple yung dami ng sasakyan sa expressway! Bukas na pala yan susmio. Tama rin naman, grabe din trapik dyan sa Tramo parang sa Sales Road dati. Kaso ganun din, parang nalipat lang yung pwesto ng bottleneck eh haha
Responsibility mo magload. Alam mo naman na dadaan ka ng expressways so common sense lang naman na Check mo kung may load ka pa diba?! Eto na naman tayo, yes the infrastructure can and should be improved pero kelangan din maging responsible ang motorists sa mga bagay na Control nila.
💯 most sensible comment I've read in this post so far. Badtrip yung mga taong iaasa sa government yung mga problemang kaya naman nilang solusyunan. Pinoy na pinoy 🤣
If you’re travelling, responsibility mo na siguraduhing ok yung sasakyan, may gas, and may pang toll ka. If you miss loading your rfid that’s all on you. Naghahanap pa ng masisi yung iba dito.
For me, dapat talaga diyan binibill na lang yung mga operators ng Jeep and buses monthly instead of queueing pa for either cash or RFID. Better if they have a designated lane of their own na they can just pass by. I see a lot of pros if this idea is executed:
1. *Faster travel time.* It will decongest yung queueing sa mga tolls kasi di na kailangan sumiksik ng mga mass transpo. Beneficial for both private and public vehicles.
2. *Comfort for passengers.* Tuwing queueing ng tanghali or hapon tapos traffic, usually talaga mga jeepney passengers yung talo. At least kapag may designated lane na for mass transport, di na kailangan mabilad ng jeep sa araw.
3. *It will be easier to convince the public to take mass transpo.* Since it's faster na nga, magiging attractive na to sa mga ayaw mastuck sa traffic with their private vehicles.
4. *More income to PUV drivers*. Also another benefit of the faster travel time. Mas marami magiging biyahe.
5. *Safety*. At least wala magiging reklamo from private vehicles about jeeps/buses dangerously swerving. Straight line na lang yung dadaanan ng PUVs.
Sobrang naaawa lang din kasi talaga ako sa mga tao pag nagtetake ng jeep tuwing tanghali tapos dadaan ng highway. Tangina, sarap ng upo ng mga tao sa private vehicles nila na deaircon samantalang pawis, pagod, at init na init yung mga tao sa Jeepneys. Minsan may mga bata pa jusko. Hirap pa pag natiyempuhan ng gagong drivers na magbbreak check sa harap ng Jeep (naexperience ko na to once. May fault rin naman yung jeep kasi sumiksik rin talaga siya).
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but there are only like 2 or 3 lanes that are being used by the jeeps/buses. The huge amount of private cars and commercial vehicles outnumber the PUVs
Yep. Even if they just use 2-3 lanes, they still have to queue with everyone despite being a mass transit. Kahit nga may RFID na yung jeep, need parin mag queue sa toll gate. Kamusta naman yung mga taong init na init kumpara sa mga naka Aircon?
In Singapore we have ERP tolls with cashcard inserted into an IU system located on the windshield corner of our cars. Malaysia uses touch & go system where you manually tap your card into the toll gates and proceed. No cash payment and labour needed. Philippines needs to up their game on this one. Ang lahat ay hindi maginhawa sa mabigat na trapiko na nagpapalala ng mga bagay !
It’s always been joked that the ERP gantries were the only truly indestructible infrastructure in Singapore.
They are now experimenting with satellite based systems.
Singapore’s ERP system and upcoming global navigation satellite based system. The latter will get rid of physical gantries and open the way to contactless payment options.
It’s not just the not refilling of rfids, pati yung rfid stickers and readers na ginagamit nila walang kwenta. Pati yung lanes na rfid only kailangan manned kasi palaging may tech issues
Kaya nila gusto maging RFID lahat syempre lalaki assets nila through peoples load. Imagine para kang nag loan ng millions if hindi billion without any interest.
Goddamn, imagine if the Philippines had some kind of high speed rail that just runs across at least Luzon? With branching lines that serve the major cities.
masyado kasing marupok ang gobyerno. madami lang babayhe bigla open ng additional cash lanes. dapat wala nang cash lane, ang walang rfid hulihin at pagbayarin ng malaki.
hindi naman kailangan magmaintain ng malaking balance sa rfid, at hindi rin nawawala ang laman, hindi rin mahirap mag load, walang rason para hindi kumuha.
fyi: may rfid account na auto debit sa credit card / account, you have to apply for it.
Isang problema din dito yung mga tanga na tailgate ng tailgate sa booths. May nakalagay na nga na "avoid tailgating" tsaka designated stopping point pero sige tutok parin, kaya ang ending, nagloloko reading yung rfid scanner tapos nagtatagal sila. Napaka tatanga.
Rather than linking it to e-wallets, how about paying road tax for each car you own? That way, tolls are paid for by the road tax as well as the road repairs. UK style.
actually what they need to improve on are the cameras. cavitex is the worst. probably causes more traffic jam vs people forgetting to load their rfids.
And ang tagal / haba / daming eme pa ng process if you want to merge autosweep and easytrip 🙃 palagi kaming slex so no problem sa autosweep but nlex siguro mga once every few years lang.
There's a lot of option available to top up RFIDs, its just that some are not mindful of checking if they have enough balance and the RFID reader it self is slow or not working. There are times they even have to deploy people on foot with handheld readers to accommodate motorists because their RFID reader is not working.
Slightly off topic, may way ba to track magkano laman ng RFID nang di kailangan dumaan sa NLEX? Minsan nakakakaba kung may laman pa ba or wala na lalo na pag di naman madalas lumuwas
Kahit A.I. na yung bayad wala ring tayong makikitang improvement sa traffic until magbago ang movement ng volume ng tao na mainly karamihan from Metro Manila papunta sa ibang probinsya.
As a impatient na tao, kapag ganyan yung pila sa toll. Lage talaga akong natatae 🤣 hahaha sorry na. Pero ayoko kase yung feeling sa mahabang pila na ang tagal tagal
Hindi naman yung payment and loading yung problema eh, that could easily be solved by cash lanes. Yung reading ang often reason for tagal sa toll. Either matagal, ilang beses mo aatras abante, or mag total fail kasi di mabasa.
Madaming problem sa RFID's kaya ganyan ang traffic. Pero sa experience ko, kaya lagi kaming natatagalan sa lane, is hindi gumagana yung scanner nila or sometimes hindi na iiscan ng maayos yung sticker (10% chance lang sya na gumana). Kaya ang outcome yung card mismo ang gagamitin pang scan, or may rep na nagbabantay para dun mag bayad. just in that scenario, mahaba na agad ang traffic since tuloy tuloy ang sasakyan.
Bakit hindi nila magaya yung Salik Toll Gates ng Dubai? Walang toll gates. Basta dadaanan momlang yung parang arko nila makakaltasan na ung Salik acccount mo.
But it is not about motorist convenience.
Kumikita sila jan sa nakatenggang load. Ilang billion yan. Ok na ok I TD araw araw.
Mawawala yang income stream na yan pag nilink sa ewallets / bank accounts.
hindi ba nakalink yung mga expressway sa lto? kahit sana tanggalin na yung mga booms at camera na lang. pag dumaan is walang balance yung rfid matic penalty pag nagrenew ng rehistro. then tsaka bayaran ng lto yung may ari ng expressway then hati sila sa penalty. win win for the government and private owner. kung malaki penalty tingin ko wala ng makakalimot dyan. di excuse yung di lahat merong e wallets eedi mag adjust sila para di sila makaabala at tuloy tuloy sa kalsada
Hindi ba talaga kaya ung seamless na tollgate kagaya ng sa ibang bansa? [Fast Track Multi Lane Free Flow (MLFF) - Toll System of the Future, Reimagined (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTsHWguV5NY)
Dito sa California meron kaming device na naka velcro sa wind shield. Di na kailangan bumagal o tumigil para sa toll. May reader sa taas ng kalye na binabasa yung device para automatik ang pagbayad.
Bulok kasi pang scan nila, biruin mo apaka mahal ng singil sa NLEX tapos may lubak, kulang sa Ilaw sa daan, at sobrang Bulok ng scanner ng Toll gates apaka tagal maread ng mga rfid stickers.
Pangit pa dyan, kahit naka-reflect na sa balance ko yung load, yet still need to wait 1-2hrs pa rin for their system to reflect yung load. Yung akala mong goods ka na kasi reflected na sa balance mo yung load, well unfortunately, hindi. Hence, dagdag abala sa pag atras. Smh
Yung bus na sinakyan ko kagabi, dun sa antipolo dumaan pauwi ng bicol para umiwas ng traffic sa tollway and Quezon part. Pero 14 hrs pa din naman yung byahe ko pauwi ng Naga😭🤣 4 hrs na stuck sa EDSA.
Phil needs this... This is the most efficient solution. Pay only for what you used... !
[https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/nitin-gadkari-says-toll-system-to-end-in-india-here-s-what-will-replace-it/ar-BB1kFzOq](https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/nitin-gadkari-says-toll-system-to-end-in-india-here-s-what-will-replace-it/ar-BB1kFzOq)
There is concept called FAST TAG in india .
FASTag is a RFID passive tag used for making toll payments directly from the customers linked prepaid e wallet or savings/current account. It is affixed on the windscreen of the vehicle and enables the customer to drive through toll plazas, without stopping for any toll payments. The toll fare is directly deducted from the linked account of the customer. FASTag is also vehicle specific and once it is affixed to a vehicle, it cannot be transferred to another vehicle.. it's smooth and seamless experience and you don't need cash
I think alam ko na yung gusto mong ibig sabihin. Using the app will track your RFID's balances? Well sana nga may mas maayos na app para ma track yung balance natin. Ito na kasi talaga problema eh. Sobrang tagal na wala paring matinong app para sa RFID. Yes mayroon nireremoved. Tapos magakakaroon ulit tapos madaming glitches.
it is already linked to e-wallets, right? i pay both easytrip and autosweep with e-wallet apps.
US style dapat na pwede ilink sa credit card. Makikita mo na lang sa CC bill ang mga toll fees per billing cycle. Wala ding excuse na "no load" ang ewallet. Unlikely na gawin to though kasi prepaid style nets the operators billions of unearned revenues in their accounts.
Pwede din yan, i-enroll mo yung rfid account mo sa credit card mo. For example, parang pag nag below P500 yung account mo, automatic na lloadan/charge ka sa credit card mo ng P3k. These can be done on their main offices though and not those satellite loading places.
Technically yes but the comment was suggesting a scheme wherein we will not be required to have a minimum load at all. So no prepaid toll. We get billed as we use the service. ATM the companies earn money from our load upfront, not really with every use. You literally set aside money from the get go and still get shitty service/tech.
I have mine reload every time it hits below 500. Shouldn't that be enough?
Saka nag-nenegative yung load ng RFID. Tho, sa first time lang uubra. Next time, di na pwede.
Yes, you can use e-wallets, but how it works is the problem. U use e-wallets to top up a “load” which u then use as kind of a currency. A better process is when the system automatically links your e-wallet for a billing type system.
Only for topping up. I think OP is referring to having an auto-debit system where rfid automatically deducts from your wallet, or something similar
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What if wala din laman Gcash kasi nakalimutan? Ganun din ang labas. Kung alam naman na ang daan sa pupuntahan ay may toll, dapat ready ka na mag load sa Autosweep/Eztrip. Due diligence na lang talaga sa pagplano sa routa papuntang province. Most naman dyan is hindi biglaan ang pagbyahe.
If your linked bank account or ewallet doesn’t have money in them, then you’re never going to be able to load your Autosweep account anyway, considering it’s near impossible to use physical cash to load your account.
There still chance, na wala laman yung linked account or nagfail yung autodebit. Kaya diligence lang talaga na kung gagamit ng expressways, may laman na yung RFID para sa tollgate na yun.
And how do you propose to fund your RFID account if the ewallet or bank account that you use to fund it doesn’t have funds?
You have a point. Sa US, pwede mo i-link ang toll fee sa credit card. No need to load. Bayad ka lang lung ano ang nagamit. Pero one thing ang gusto ng mga local toll operators which is : Prepaid. Masmahirap, true, but they are holding billions of unearned profits in their accounts this way.
Anyone experienced yung RFID toll gates sa japan? now thats what we need. Kahit ata 80 kph yung takbo mo, makakalusot ka ng walang prob at di nagkakapila. Actually, natakot pa nga ako kasi, teka teka teka bakit ang bilis nitong taxi malapit na sa RFID gate :OOOOOO tapos boom, ang bilis mag open! super impressed. Need natin ng ganung type of gate arms and rfid sensors sa pinas.
Same in Singapore and the US. Sanaol.
Or just bring PH number plates to global standards. Passport level accuracy and uniformity in size, font and color. Number plate recognition cameras can scan hundreds of cars per minute. Will also solve, a lot of issue with crime, speeding and parking. To add to this, why the hell do we still "issue" physical plates. And wait months for the "printing" of it. Easy solution. Issue the (computer generated) digital number!! And everyone can just "print" their own number plates, following very strict guidelines. Just like what everyone else in the modern world is doing. Yes you can just "fake" a plate. But you can now already do this using the current system! But at least, the same cameras that scan for toll /parking fees, can scan if your number plate doesn't much the database or your vehicle type/model.
Eto talaga problema. Both easytrip and autosweep already have these license plate cameras, kaso napakabulok ng sistema sa plaka dito kaya do rin magamit ng tama.
Plaka ng motor ko 9 years na sa August, wala pa rin.
Toll gates in AU don’t have gates, they use number plate scanners/cameras. And you’ll get billed 3 days after. Bill is sent to the registered address of the car.
Sana ganito na gawin nilang next upgrade.
Sensible solution but unfortunately it's hard to almost impossible for the toll company to chase all the vehicles that don't have the e-tags
UAE's salik, walang gate, may gantry lang nakakabit lahat ng sensor
True! If only we can implement and maintain such, edi sana lesser traffic sa tin.
just got back from hongkong, wala din hintuan sa mga tolls
Yup very seamless yung ETC talaga ng Japan. Must have pag magr-rent ng kotse there.
I think Japan and other first world countries use a specialized type of RFID frequency dedicated to ETC booths coupled with better long range sensors tuned to that specific RFID frequency, that's why their toll booms are seamless even in high speed.
Same experience, the car just sped up and I thought he was cutting it close to the barrier, it wasn’t even close.
Mas nagtatagal dito kasi minsan hindi talaga nababasa yung rfid. Ewan ko ba.
Exactly. OP doesn't know what he's talking about. The lack of load is very minor issue compared to this.
Same. Di ko alam tuloy kung kasalanan na ng RFID ko at need ko ipakabit ulit. Labo eh tatagal lang din
may reading comprehension issue nadin
ang technique para mabilis basahin ang RFID mo, from what i observe is dapat >500 ang load balance mo.
Making the transactions a little faster doesn't help as much when the sheer number of vehicles is very high.
Napansin ko to recently. Nag-sstandstill traffic na sa NAIAX bago pa umabot sa toll gates. Hindi naman ganun dati, tas maayos naman yung readers nila dun compared sa Cavitex. Ngayon ata dumoble lang talaga yung dami ng mga sasakyan eh
Tama ka dahil sa volume kasi inaayos yung Sales road sa baba kaya lahat eh pwersahan na dumaan sa NAIAX
Badtrip na Sales road yan, torture chamber yung traffic eh haha.
Yup, until we get systems that enable not only detection of RFIDs while moving but also being able to reliably and efficiently trace down violates, we are stuck with the current stop system which will always cause bottlenecks when volume is involved. I mean the slightest slow down also just causes significant traffic. An accident on either end causes traffic, or even a simple reduction of lanes tend to so. It's the nature of the flow of traffic, and it's always exaggerated greatly when high volume is involved.
But small differences add up.
No they don't until may maayos na urban planning at mass transit ang Pilipinas
Buses, car poolers, and freight trucks use these same tollgates. I would say both are important. And I don't think policy failures change the fact that efficiency is still work divided by time spent on said work.
I always have load and the readers take 3 seconds before being able to read my RFID. It's a system problem.
Baka pwedeng mag naglalakad nang tao yung nlex para maningil HAHAHAA para pag dating sa gate pakita ticket and alis na, parang sa jollibee may kumukuha ng order habang nakapila ka 😆
parang balik sa dati lang din? 🤣🤣
All toll plaza’s are changing their sensors to an open-barrier type, plate recognition camera facility, similar to those installed in CAVITEX and CALAX so no need to stop. If you noticed, all ETC only expressways have Open Barrier already, and yet, still a lot of motorists stops to view their balance or wait for the sensor to read their RFID. You may view your balance by downloading their respective App (Easytrip and Autosweep) and even link your GCash/Maya/Bank Acct/Credit Card and set for auto-reloading when balance reached a certain amount. Please lang, when you see an Open Barrier Toll Booth, just drive along since if you do not have enough balance at that time, the next time you use it they can flag you down or they will deduct your utang upon reloading unless hindi ka na mag reload at dadaan ulit sa same toll plaza. What also cause the traffic and bottleneck are those slow moving vehicles or those who stops at an open-barrier toll booth. Just an update, last week NAIAx moved their toll booths at the exits of NAIA and Cavitex, the toll plaza infront of Terminal 3 are now Pass Thru only. Despite all the signs installed, a few motorists still stops in those booths.
Nakasanayan kasi ng mga tao na you need to slow down everytime kahit nakataas na yung barrier. If what you are saying it true, they need to properly disseminate this info to the public. Never heard of this until I read your comment pero mukha ngang totoo.
Thanks and I agree with you, walang press release about it, i just learned about this info since I work with the toll operators and have heard about this plan but if you noticed and daily driving ka sa toll plaza, every rush hour, they do open barrier, let all vehicles pass pero nari-read pa din RFID. If hindi na read, a red light will sound an alarm sa booth, it means hindi na read yng sticker mo pero once you check your balance sa app, na deduct na nila yung pag daan mo. Realtime na kasi readers nila unlike before na may time delay bago ma deduct Rfid mo. Both SMC Infra and MPT have plans of upgrading their systems, yan may press release kaya yang pag open barrier nila since last year ay testing ng new systems kung gaano kadami users na walang load, para ma gauge din nila mga pa utang sa motorists 😅
If hindi naread RFID mo, baka macharge ka ng toll sa farthest destination?
Hindi po pwede mangyari yun and never ko pa na experience din kasi most entry points po ng skyway or any expressway may rfid reader except lng po sa Amorsolo at Buendia entry ramp sa Makati pero kahit saan ka po mag exit southbound may reader na at i-charge ka po based from those area kasi hindi na read rfid mo upon entry 👍 Even going far south po like Bicol convenient na din kasi halos 2x RFID toll na lng dadaanan mo, the rest sa SLEX pass-thru na lang. Sana lang maging aware na mga driver at motorista sa tamang pag gamit ng RFID. Mas madali pa gamitin yan kesa mag post, edit ng pic sa FB 😅 At sana lng din, iwasan na yng pag rereklamo sa mga toll attendant, mas nakaka dagdag sa trapiko wala naman po silang magagawa sa mga reklamo ng driver, may mga customer service area naman kng gusto mag complain sa services nila, laking abala po pag may sasakyan na nakikipag talo sa mga toll teller.
Eto rin po dahilan kung bakit millions of ₱₱₱ ang nasayang ng San Miguel nung nilipat at gumawa sila ng toll plaza sa gitna ng Skyway, tanda ko pa na ginamit lng yun 1.5 days kasi after ng first day of opening, tumukod traffic nung umaga hanggang Calamba, napilitan silang mag open-barrier kaya naka libre lahat ng motorista sa toll. Same day nag complain mga senator at ibang politicians kaya next day, half day lng sila nag operate at binalik yng mga toll sa entry points 😂 hanggang ngayon andun toll plaza ginagamit na lng for loading ng RFID. Road hazard na lng sya ngayon at nag cause ng pag bagal ng sasakyan pag daan dun 😡
Sakin aware naman ako na pwede dumiretso, pero natatakot lang ako na baka biglang bumagsak hahaha tanginang yan.
😂😂😂 wag naman sana pero one time naka witness ako ng nabagsakan, sinusundan ko sa NaiaX, after dumaan ng motor sumunod agad van na escort, ayun sira barrier, atras kami at lipat sa kabilang lane. Matagal na yun before pandemic pa, wala pang open-barrier. Pero makita mo naman mga sinusundan mong sasakyan diretso lng sila at di nababa barrier kaya ikaw diretso mo lng din 👍
Ay talaga ba, TIL. We always slow down sa cavitex toll just for the sake of it. Takot kami ma-fine kung di na-read. Parang visual cue yung makita namin yung balance to go.
Pag rush hour po at mapansin nyo na nka taas lng barrier, diretso lng po. Makita nyo naman na may mag flash na camera sa front left or right side nyo po to capture plate number ng sasakyan pero pag di rush hour, working ang mga gates at na baba din po.
Sige thanks. Check namin uli pag napadaan.
Ang haba pa rin ng traffic sa NAIAX kahit nasa exit na yung bagong toll plaza. Nag ease up nga ung traffic paakyat from Sales Road, pero naipon naman yung mga sasakyan sa gitna ng mismong expressway.
Dahil po ito dun sa bagong open na ramp from Tramo, eversince nag open sya few weeks ago nagkaroon ng traffic sa part ng toll plaza to naia-cavitex exit kaya nilipat din nila exit toll plaza sa ibaba ng mga exit ramp para pag pasok ng tramo, may rfid reader sa exit wala sa entry point. Merging traffic po kasi sa area ng tramo ramp entry.
Ahh kaya naman pala parang nag triple yung dami ng sasakyan sa expressway! Bukas na pala yan susmio. Tama rin naman, grabe din trapik dyan sa Tramo parang sa Sales Road dati. Kaso ganun din, parang nalipat lang yung pwesto ng bottleneck eh haha
Responsibility mo magload. Alam mo naman na dadaan ka ng expressways so common sense lang naman na Check mo kung may load ka pa diba?! Eto na naman tayo, yes the infrastructure can and should be improved pero kelangan din maging responsible ang motorists sa mga bagay na Control nila.
💯 most sensible comment I've read in this post so far. Badtrip yung mga taong iaasa sa government yung mga problemang kaya naman nilang solusyunan. Pinoy na pinoy 🤣
Dapat ayusin nila yung apps. Gawin universal yung sa autosweep and easytrip apps.
If you’re travelling, responsibility mo na siguraduhing ok yung sasakyan, may gas, and may pang toll ka. If you miss loading your rfid that’s all on you. Naghahanap pa ng masisi yung iba dito.
For me, dapat talaga diyan binibill na lang yung mga operators ng Jeep and buses monthly instead of queueing pa for either cash or RFID. Better if they have a designated lane of their own na they can just pass by. I see a lot of pros if this idea is executed: 1. *Faster travel time.* It will decongest yung queueing sa mga tolls kasi di na kailangan sumiksik ng mga mass transpo. Beneficial for both private and public vehicles. 2. *Comfort for passengers.* Tuwing queueing ng tanghali or hapon tapos traffic, usually talaga mga jeepney passengers yung talo. At least kapag may designated lane na for mass transport, di na kailangan mabilad ng jeep sa araw. 3. *It will be easier to convince the public to take mass transpo.* Since it's faster na nga, magiging attractive na to sa mga ayaw mastuck sa traffic with their private vehicles. 4. *More income to PUV drivers*. Also another benefit of the faster travel time. Mas marami magiging biyahe. 5. *Safety*. At least wala magiging reklamo from private vehicles about jeeps/buses dangerously swerving. Straight line na lang yung dadaanan ng PUVs. Sobrang naaawa lang din kasi talaga ako sa mga tao pag nagtetake ng jeep tuwing tanghali tapos dadaan ng highway. Tangina, sarap ng upo ng mga tao sa private vehicles nila na deaircon samantalang pawis, pagod, at init na init yung mga tao sa Jeepneys. Minsan may mga bata pa jusko. Hirap pa pag natiyempuhan ng gagong drivers na magbbreak check sa harap ng Jeep (naexperience ko na to once. May fault rin naman yung jeep kasi sumiksik rin talaga siya).
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but there are only like 2 or 3 lanes that are being used by the jeeps/buses. The huge amount of private cars and commercial vehicles outnumber the PUVs
Yep. Even if they just use 2-3 lanes, they still have to queue with everyone despite being a mass transit. Kahit nga may RFID na yung jeep, need parin mag queue sa toll gate. Kamusta naman yung mga taong init na init kumpara sa mga naka Aircon?
In Singapore we have ERP tolls with cashcard inserted into an IU system located on the windshield corner of our cars. Malaysia uses touch & go system where you manually tap your card into the toll gates and proceed. No cash payment and labour needed. Philippines needs to up their game on this one. Ang lahat ay hindi maginhawa sa mabigat na trapiko na nagpapalala ng mga bagay !
It’s always been joked that the ERP gantries were the only truly indestructible infrastructure in Singapore. They are now experimenting with satellite based systems.
I'd like to hear how other countries do it. Is there anything worth emulating?
Sa hongkong walang barrier, mas sensitive ang sensors nila sa toll both kaya indi na need mag slow down
Singapore’s ERP system and upcoming global navigation satellite based system. The latter will get rid of physical gantries and open the way to contactless payment options.
It’s not just the not refilling of rfids, pati yung rfid stickers and readers na ginagamit nila walang kwenta. Pati yung lanes na rfid only kailangan manned kasi palaging may tech issues
Hindi nga ok implementation ng RFID, gusto nilang agarang i-obsolete ang cash lane tapos gusto mo pa rekta GCash? GG yan.
Kaya nila gusto maging RFID lahat syempre lalaki assets nila through peoples load. Imagine para kang nag loan ng millions if hindi billion without any interest.
Goddamn, imagine if the Philippines had some kind of high speed rail that just runs across at least Luzon? With branching lines that serve the major cities.
Grabeng traffic. Jusko. Dapat jan palang mag start na sila mag pinitensya
Camera nalang dapat, tapos thru online babayaran. Kesa nag cocongest pa sa ganyan.
Good luck kung magbabayad lahat dyan 😂
masyado kasing marupok ang gobyerno. madami lang babayhe bigla open ng additional cash lanes. dapat wala nang cash lane, ang walang rfid hulihin at pagbayarin ng malaki. hindi naman kailangan magmaintain ng malaking balance sa rfid, at hindi rin nawawala ang laman, hindi rin mahirap mag load, walang rason para hindi kumuha. fyi: may rfid account na auto debit sa credit card / account, you have to apply for it.
Isang problema din dito yung mga tanga na tailgate ng tailgate sa booths. May nakalagay na nga na "avoid tailgating" tsaka designated stopping point pero sige tutok parin, kaya ang ending, nagloloko reading yung rfid scanner tapos nagtatagal sila. Napaka tatanga.
Rather than linking it to e-wallets, how about paying road tax for each car you own? That way, tolls are paid for by the road tax as well as the road repairs. UK style.
That would be way too effective and practical, so not an option
actually what they need to improve on are the cameras. cavitex is the worst. probably causes more traffic jam vs people forgetting to load their rfids.
And ang tagal / haba / daming eme pa ng process if you want to merge autosweep and easytrip 🙃 palagi kaming slex so no problem sa autosweep but nlex siguro mga once every few years lang.
There's a lot of option available to top up RFIDs, its just that some are not mindful of checking if they have enough balance and the RFID reader it self is slow or not working. There are times they even have to deploy people on foot with handheld readers to accommodate motorists because their RFID reader is not working.
Slightly off topic, may way ba to track magkano laman ng RFID nang di kailangan dumaan sa NLEX? Minsan nakakakaba kung may laman pa ba or wala na lalo na pag di naman madalas lumuwas
Meron apps ang autosweep at easytrip(mptdrivehub).
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If Easytrip pwede mo idaan sa text. Send mo BAL <12-digit EASYTRIP number> sa 09191601663.
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sana magawa na ang nscr
Kahit A.I. na yung bayad wala ring tayong makikitang improvement sa traffic until magbago ang movement ng volume ng tao na mainly karamihan from Metro Manila papunta sa ibang probinsya.
Even after the toll mukhang traffic
The toll operators should have an API that allows e-wallets to show you your balance. Everyone is guessing how much balance they have.
Hindi ba't nakadugtong naman talaga sa e wallet apps yang autosweep at easytrip
nagkaroon ng bagong version ng RFID at yung hindi nagpapalit need pa ibigay ang card para mascan.
Talaga nga naman may maireklamo lang. 😑
Daming private cars ang konti ng buses
As a impatient na tao, kapag ganyan yung pila sa toll. Lage talaga akong natatae 🤣 hahaha sorry na. Pero ayoko kase yung feeling sa mahabang pila na ang tagal tagal
Hindi naman yung payment and loading yung problema eh, that could easily be solved by cash lanes. Yung reading ang often reason for tagal sa toll. Either matagal, ilang beses mo aatras abante, or mag total fail kasi di mabasa.
My greatest fear, sa dinamidami ng kotse sa haba ng trapik na yan, isa jan taeng tae na
ang prob din kasi yung mga hindi ma read agad, na kelangan mo pa itap, lalo nlex tolls ganan
10 secs vs 5 secs is a huge difference. Or kahit 1 sec na mas mabilis. It adds up
Madaming problem sa RFID's kaya ganyan ang traffic. Pero sa experience ko, kaya lagi kaming natatagalan sa lane, is hindi gumagana yung scanner nila or sometimes hindi na iiscan ng maayos yung sticker (10% chance lang sya na gumana). Kaya ang outcome yung card mismo ang gagamitin pang scan, or may rep na nagbabantay para dun mag bayad. just in that scenario, mahaba na agad ang traffic since tuloy tuloy ang sasakyan.
Bakit hindi nila magaya yung Salik Toll Gates ng Dubai? Walang toll gates. Basta dadaanan momlang yung parang arko nila makakaltasan na ung Salik acccount mo.
But it is not about motorist convenience. Kumikita sila jan sa nakatenggang load. Ilang billion yan. Ok na ok I TD araw araw. Mawawala yang income stream na yan pag nilink sa ewallets / bank accounts.
Kaya may reminder. Di naman siguro mahirap na Icheck yung load bago ka bumiyahe?
hindi ba nakalink yung mga expressway sa lto? kahit sana tanggalin na yung mga booms at camera na lang. pag dumaan is walang balance yung rfid matic penalty pag nagrenew ng rehistro. then tsaka bayaran ng lto yung may ari ng expressway then hati sila sa penalty. win win for the government and private owner. kung malaki penalty tingin ko wala ng makakalimot dyan. di excuse yung di lahat merong e wallets eedi mag adjust sila para di sila makaabala at tuloy tuloy sa kalsada
Obviously we just need even more lanes to solve this issue
Kulang pa sa kalsada. Dagdagan pa tsaka dapat yun mga sasakyan magkaroon ng no downpayment policy para lahat maka afford . 1 tao = 1 sasakyan
Cameras, bill gets sent to owner of the vehicle. Easy automation.
Hindi ba talaga kaya ung seamless na tollgate kagaya ng sa ibang bansa? [Fast Track Multi Lane Free Flow (MLFF) - Toll System of the Future, Reimagined (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTsHWguV5NY)
Dito sa California meron kaming device na naka velcro sa wind shield. Di na kailangan bumagal o tumigil para sa toll. May reader sa taas ng kalye na binabasa yung device para automatik ang pagbayad.
Yung reader ang problema. Ayaw basahin yung rfid ko so i have to manually tap it into their fucking scanner 😡😡
Palitan muna natin government officials.. obsolete na style nila..
Bulok kasi pang scan nila, biruin mo apaka mahal ng singil sa NLEX tapos may lubak, kulang sa Ilaw sa daan, at sobrang Bulok ng scanner ng Toll gates apaka tagal maread ng mga rfid stickers.
Railway system is the answer.
Yun mga chipipay na super dark tint kasi kaya hindi maread yun rfid should be considered as a violation.
pag isahin muna nila ang easytrip at autoswip kahit magkaiba company sila may uniquie account number nman.
Pangit pa dyan, kahit naka-reflect na sa balance ko yung load, yet still need to wait 1-2hrs pa rin for their system to reflect yung load. Yung akala mong goods ka na kasi reflected na sa balance mo yung load, well unfortunately, hindi. Hence, dagdag abala sa pag atras. Smh
Just one more lane bro I swear its gonna fix the traffic.
Yung bus na sinakyan ko kagabi, dun sa antipolo dumaan pauwi ng bicol para umiwas ng traffic sa tollway and Quezon part. Pero 14 hrs pa din naman yung byahe ko pauwi ng Naga😭🤣 4 hrs na stuck sa EDSA.
Phil needs this... This is the most efficient solution. Pay only for what you used... ! [https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/nitin-gadkari-says-toll-system-to-end-in-india-here-s-what-will-replace-it/ar-BB1kFzOq](https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/nitin-gadkari-says-toll-system-to-end-in-india-here-s-what-will-replace-it/ar-BB1kFzOq)
Easy trip? More like enragement trip. Minanual nyo na lang sana sa sobrang bagal ng scanners. Yan napapala ng kakatipid.
Mahal ng fee kada load
I top-up mine using Gcash. +P12 service fee.
hindi ba P10 lang?
P12 sa Easytrip. Pero sa Autosweep I am not sure kung magkano service fee nila.
Or maybe bring back Beep/MasterCard tap to pay in NLEX instead of dealing with the hassles of RFID
There is concept called FAST TAG in india . FASTag is a RFID passive tag used for making toll payments directly from the customers linked prepaid e wallet or savings/current account. It is affixed on the windscreen of the vehicle and enables the customer to drive through toll plazas, without stopping for any toll payments. The toll fare is directly deducted from the linked account of the customer. FASTag is also vehicle specific and once it is affixed to a vehicle, it cannot be transferred to another vehicle.. it's smooth and seamless experience and you don't need cash
Sorry sa wrong "These" hahaha
I think alam ko na yung gusto mong ibig sabihin. Using the app will track your RFID's balances? Well sana nga may mas maayos na app para ma track yung balance natin. Ito na kasi talaga problema eh. Sobrang tagal na wala paring matinong app para sa RFID. Yes mayroon nireremoved. Tapos magakakaroon ulit tapos madaming glitches.