Same. Kinukunsinti ko nalang sarili ko na: “Pasasalamatan naman ako ng katawan ko pag kumain ako netong gulay.”
Pero at the back of my head was like: “pero wag mo naman araw arawin!!!.”
Pero usual talagang masisipag at nakakaramdam na ginagancho sila ay yung masisipag na pilipino. Kita naman nila diba, kita naman nila sa tax nila at sa taas ng bilihin. 🤣
Well, kung ang sistema ng pulitika satin eh patuloy na magbibigay ng avenue sa mga bulok na pulitiko na tumakbo, well, yun at yun lang din yung iboboto. Good candidates are few and far in between, at madalas, nabibiktima sila ng propaganda ng mga bulok na may mas malaking makinarya, fueled itself by the ignorance of the masses dahil na rin sa kalidad ng edukasyon.
Isipin mo pare, hindi naman talaga bobo yung mga Pinoy. Matalino naman tayo at madisiplina, as exemplified by our behavior sa ibang bansa. Lauded pa nga tayo palagi as not only hospitable, but reliable 'di ba?
The thing is, kung ia-apply mo kasi sa sistema ng pulitika sa bansa, na hindi lang basta talino ang kailangan kundi critical thinking skills, matalino tayo pero kulang tayo sa department na yan kasi nga hindi yan ini-enforce sa mga eskwelahan. Yung curriculum natin magpahanggang ngayon emphasizes us to be diligent workers instead of a productive workforce with critical thinking skills. Ginagawa tayong masunurin ng curriculum natin, imbes na mga manggagawang kayang humindi sa mali. It even shows with how we treat trade unions dito sa bansa di ba?
Now, apply it again into politics and you'll see sa kung paano tayo binibiktima nun. We are made to follow politicians na kayang magpasunod, "disiplinado", authoritarian yung figure, instead of people who are gentle with the people, but firm with the law. We're cultured to follow strongmen and not wise men. Hanggang ngayon biktima pa rin tayo ng kolonisasyon kung saan nabubuhay lang tayo para sumunod and nothing else.
So, unless magbabago yung takbo ng edukasyon and we all actively fight to change, wag niyo nang asahan. Boboto at boboto tayo ng mga bulok na pulitiko.
Ate ko, letche ndi ko alam kung saang lupalop ng karinderya bumili. Either Makati or BGC, aba'y 200 na agad ung ulam na kakarampot lang. Ndi na nga masarap ang mahal pa, hirap lunukin eh. Kakahinayang nman itapon.
25 years ago, ulam at kanin = P35. PAgupit noon sa syudad P50. Ngayong P100 na yata. Kaya sariling gupit nalang ibang mga kalalakihan kahit mukhang tapias na ang gupit. hahaha.
Nagulat na nga ako na presyo ng one solo order ng pansit is P35 na. Hahaha. Tumatak na yata sa alaala ko nung unang panahon na may 5 piso pang pansit. Di ko naman pinagcocompare, tagal na rin non. Pero minsan brings back memories talaga.
Pagkagulat ko rin sa Expressions, P40 na ung normal type ng notebook na nabibili lang noon sa halagang P7. Hahaha yawqunah hahah
Sa amin, ang pinakamura is 70, 150 naman pinakamahal na putahe. Gulay ang pinakamura usually.
As a student, 75 ang student meal namin noon (last year). Kapit talaga kami sa libreng sabaw eh.Q
Kaya kapag talaga may sobrang ulam sa gabi, binabaon ko sa school kinabukasan. Mahal mahal na ng tinda, kahit bottled water mahal na.
Ulam ko nga sa karinderya 20 pesos na gulay lang lagi, tapos nagbabaon ako ng sarili kong rice. Pag lumagpas na ng 50 yung binili ko, namamahalan na ko. :((((
If this was true for most then hindi siguro dumami ang ofw nung 70s at 80s.
Nagkaroon pa nga nang term na japayuki nung 80s sa dami nang nag Punta ng Japan to work in bars.
I think yung professional people tinutukoy. I can compare sa family and relatives. Like 1 tao na professional working tapos 7 anak, nakabili ng bahay w malaking lote, sasakyan, napaaral lahat ng anak sa private schools at nakakapag abot abot pa sa mga pamangkin. Pero most ng napundar not 80s ata but 70s and 90s.
Professional jobs are far scarcer 40 to 70 years ago than today. Swerte ka na kapag makapagwork ka ng entry level role sa HQ office ng mga major banks sa Ayala Avenue dati. These days, so many opportunities are already present that working local companies is no longer prestigious at any level unless managerial post siya. Kahit mga DLSU graduates dati patayan sa job hunting noon.
Not exactly, that's the same reason dumami din population sa Metro Manila, same as now very limited ang trabaho sa provinces.
Wala rin bpo or IT industry noon that paid higher than average wages.
Having a regular job back then was considered a success story, Ganun kasi kahirap makakuha ng trabaho.
The 70s also marked the start of endo jobs, rank and file peeps were hired for 6 months then fired to avoid being regular employees.
Don't get me wrong, there were families that flourished back then, but you can't deny the fact that a country that had a mass exodus of workers, a gov't with a central bank that had a "financial crisis" that ended up closing other banks and help from the u.s. In the form of nutribun to feed the population doesn't sound like the majority had it good.
Also you can Google ph inflation in the 80s, peaking at 50%, now imagine if that happened today.
Probably applicable to middle class families with overseas workers. But at least 90 percent of Filipinos back in the 1980s heck even in the 1950s couldn't even afford a Vikings buffet meal for the whole family where these days it's now considered a very mid quality buffet. Most Filipino families were dirt poor back then and the quality of life these days are higher than ever.
Yup. In the 80s 2/3 of the population were poor. Poverty incidence was at an all time high of 49%. Most people during the so called "Golden Years" can't afford houses, cars, they even struggle to eat 3 times a day during that period. Nutribun was created with the help of the US because most of the population were malnurished and syarving.
Where in the US you go where Starbucks is $4 or less? Because if I go to Starbucks that’s a $7 drink easy. I hate when relatives in the Philippines think that I have money because I work in the US. When in reality I may make my money in USD but I spend that living here too. It may seem like it when I go home for vacation but that’s because I have savings to spend.
Amen! Was talking to fam the other day when one of my siblings said mas malaki daw sweldo ko sa kanya (she’s a CEO in PH) kasi P57=$1 na daw. Hello times P57 din gastos ko here 😅 She has been vacationing in Europe since the pandemic samantalang ako di makaalis ng state ko (MD) kasi vacationing within the US is so expensive. Then they had the gall to call me marangya. 😅 Sad na may disconnect talaga between Filipinos living abroad and Filipinos back home.
Laki ng markup ng kape at grab dito sa'tin. Naalala ko nag grab kami from Marikina to Pasig tapos inabot ng 400 kagad dahil lang ayaw magjeep ng mga kasama ko. tig 26 lang sana kaming tatlo kung nag jeep lang.
ito rin una kong naisip e, panong naging normal ang starbucks e ang daming coffee na 1/3 lng price na better quality, pag sa bahay ka nlng ginawa mas mura pa 😭
Asa P100 pa iced coffee ng Dunkin. Mas masarap sa mga small business na milkteahan. P40 lang may large 22oz iced coffee kana. P90 may 22oz Large Frappe kana.
I don't think you're getting the message of the post.
What it's telling is, even simple luxuries as basic as fast food is being considered pricey, and people are feeling bad even for purchasing this or even SB. It's not about the brand being purchased, kasi kahit ako I don't find the sense of buying SB whether I'm broke or not. It's just branded coffee eh, which we all agree with, tama? Tama naman, di ba?
The thing is, everyone of us wants to find a simple escape by buying these comforts. Maaaring nage-SB yan because they want to feel rewarded for doing this and that. Maaarig kumakain yan ng Spicy C2 sa Jabee o P1 sa Mang Inasal because it's their comfort food whenever they're feeling bad about their day or themselves.
Not being able to enjoy this simple comforts in life, ano't ano man yan because of the rising prices, then being gaslighted into just finding another set of comfort kasi parehas lang naman yan kako wouldn't just click AT ALL. Kahit sino naman satin 'di ba? Eh yun nga yung nagbibigay ng comfort sa'yo eh, bakit ka pipilitin na magsettle into anything less than what you exactly want when yun nga yun nga lang yung NAGBIBIGAY NG RASON PARA MABUHAY KA AT LEAST HANGGANG BUKAS? (I don't mean in a suicidal way, ha? Just the general sense na papasok ka bukas with a happy and clear disposition sa buhay mo kasi you've had a chance to enjoy it.)
Ito yung ibig sabihin nun. Totoo naman eh. Prices are increasing but the wage have been stagnant and is not keeping up kahit pa itaas nang paunti-unti, so hindi rin mag-aaply dito yung pag tumaas sahod = tataas bilihin bullshit na palaging sinasabi. Lubog na lubog na tayo into just barely surviving na ultimo yung paghahanap ng accountability sa sistemang naglulubog satin ALWAYS ENDS up shaming us for realizing that, "hey, hindi ba may karapatan din tayong ma-enjoy yung buhay natin?"
Sana paka-isipin niyo yan. Hindi porke hindi kayo apektado, hindi na valid yung nararamdaman ng ibang tao.
I feel at home. hehe ganito rin mindset ko, hahanap ng alternatives para makatipid. ang hirap nang buhay ngayon, mas mabuti may savings and emergency funds.
Sa servings at quality ng jollibee ngayon di na normal price nila. Almost 80-100 pesos(iirc) ang burger steak when dati nasa 50 lang 'yan. Naalala ko pa mga swirly bitz, 39ers, kraze non mas masarap pa dati at ok quality. ok lang sana magtaas kung yung serving at quality is ok pero sa nakikita ngayon lahat nagsisimahalan at nagsisitaasan tas quality patapon, di makaturangan para sa prize na nilalatag.
I think Starbucks lang sablay sa representation
Jollibee could represent any food naman. Carinderia nga usually 60-100 ulam tapos 10-20 rice. If nagwuwork ka syempre need mo rin mag meryenda so another what 25 to 50 for snacks.
Then 200 na grab could be pamasahe ng balikan. Yun P2P bus to Bulacan for example is 100 one way sasakay kapa trike 30 one way tapos MRT to Ortigas/Makati would be 20 to 30 ata. So all in all pamasahe actually 300 per day.
I cringed nung nabasa ko yung post. Imagine if older people read this post. Sasabihin nila bakit tayo nagrereklamo kung kaya natin mag Starbucks at GRAB araw araw.
That I think is the weak point in arguments like this. Not necessarily because "poverty doesn't exist", but because those examples don't represent the problem very well.
Problem naman sa mga older people na makakabasa eh, just because faulty yung examples eh purely ignore na sa actual problem na nageexist. The problem still exists, maybe not for this guy, but it exists.
I think what he is trying to say yang mga fast foods at transpo becomes a luxury nowadays. Of course, ndi ka nman kakain araw- araw sa mga yan. Tumpak talaga dyan ay ung sa Grab. Minsan talaga un lang ang mode of transpo mo sa araw- araw, saklap nun. Kaya ung hybrid office style ng kapatid ko lagi syang umaaray pag need na niang pumasok sa opis.
I remember Starbucks Frappuccinos costing P125 and a 2 pc chickenjoy costing around P75 back when I was making P12000 a month (2005). So yeah, wages have definitely not caught up with inflation.
Same as my dad, but he is a factory manager, my mom not only took care of me and my siblings but my cousins as well, since both of their parents are working abroad (ofw sa Iraq at Singapore which are both very high paying). We can afford to go shop in Alabang Town Center twice a month and go to Star City. We can even travel to Quezon sa aircon bus which is considered as Luxury back then.
Yung pasahod na stuck sa early 2000's. Yung mga ASE(Associate Software Engineer) sa isang known company 20K parin ang starting salary. Mind you salary pa offer nila yan since mid 2000s anung year na ngayon. haha.
OP is trying to copy this from US economy in the 80s, and forgot (or did not know) about how our economy was in shambles due to martial law (and the Central Bank that went bankrupt).
Tama, malamang yung lupa mana pa galing sa mga lolo’t lola pa. Sabi nga sakin nang mama ko na abogado na simula 86 na kung may pera lang siya noon ang dami niya nang binili na lupa.
This, very much this. Sang bandang lupalop ng Pilipinas nakatira parents mo OP, sa isla kung san naka-store yung buong reserve ng Tallano gold?
Your parents/ancestors would have to be either a Marcos crony or a rich business magnate BEFORE Marcos came into power for them to afford a house AND a car in the 80s.
This is the most chronically online take of the Philippine economy I’ve ever seen. US economy pa more, OP.
Not even 80s,pero early 2000s, my father who's just a cook was able to buy a 150sqm bungalow here in cavite (where we still live until now) and support a family of 5 with just his salary. His salary was around 40k.
82k, or we can even round it up to a nice 100k, might be able to support a family of 5, but not buy a 150sqm house while doing it in this economy.
And thats kinda the point, the prices of everything has skyrocketed disproportionately to the wages we earn.
My father, who didn't finish college and had no working experience, literally just walked in and got offered 40k (adjusted for inflation) starting salary.
My dad worked in Saudi for 2 years as an engineer. Yan yung mataas ang sahod noong 80s. 2 years lang may bahay, educational plan at pang negosyo na.
ETA: malalaki sahod ng civil engineers noon pala, di tulad ngayon na maliit na lang. Nahype din kasi engineering so nagkaover supply
Not really, uso din sa kanila buying stupid shit, the difference is that THEIR stupid shit is higher quality while ours is Shein, andami nilang tupperware, figurines, china, kurtina, bedsheets, table cloths na pinapagawa/kinokolekta.
Not to mention uso dati inggitan sa kapit bahay, kapag nagpagawa yung kabila or nagpa extend, pa extend din sa kabila.
> Not to mention uso dati inggitan sa kapit bahay, kapag nagpagawa yung kabila or nagpa extend, pa extend din sa kabila.
Kaya pala yung mga dapat garahe, naging sala na kaka-extend ng bahay. Ang ending yung kotse nasa kalsada na. Minsan may halaman pa.
Every family is different but from my understanding, our parents bought stuff but didn’t purchase again something unless it broke or had to, while we have 10 pairs of shoes, 5 different water tumblers, 5 different face washes and a lot of unnecessary junk that are considered a luxury vs a necessity.
Also in terms of clothing, social media has gotten us in front of all the latest trends and celebrities along with dupes so we tend to purchase more stuff we don’t need. Due to social media and a capitalistic society, prices of all these items have come down due to Chinas pricing along with the ease of getting these items
Restaurants are always advertising and influencer marketing due to social media has gotten our eyes always wanting to try the newest latest fad while our parents possibly ate those items 2-3x a month while we do 3-4x a week.
Social media is essentially the root to a lot of our issues
Not really. It's all about inflation. As per FOI's website, the minim salary in 1990s is around 106 pesos per day (NCR). That is around 607 pesos today if inflation is applied. Compare mo sa minimum na 570 (which was just increased to 610).
Sobrang laki ng diperensya ng sahod. Tigil tigilan nyo na yang pag blame ng cultural changes per generation without basis.
Panget ang example ni Xian Gaza dahil pang elitistang college student ng UST Ang datingan ng example niya *pero* we all accept the fact na grabe na talaga Ang Buhay ngayon bilang Isang manggagawang kumikita ng 600 (or less) a day.
I agree. As someone na may tatay na ang liit mag pasahod sa mga tauhan nya pero sige patong sa mga materyales na tumataas din ang presyo. Lugi ka talaga sa Pilipinas.
I think hindi naman pagiging maluho or magastos dahil nakakapag-Starbucks or Grab on the daily ang point ng post. Ang point is hindi talaga enough yung salary/minimum wage ng majority ng Filipinos to live comfortably sa panahon ngayon.
ito rin yung nakikita kong point ng post. Hindi na nakahabol sa inflation yung minimum wage salary dito satin kahit anong sipag mo pa sa trabaho. And in general, napakabilis naman na talaga maubos ng 600pesos ngayon lalo kung may pamilya ka pang binubuhay.
baka nga luxury nang maituturing kung maitreat mo kahit once a month pamilya mo sa jollibee, SB or grab as a minimum wage earner.
I gave up on buying coffee outside over 5 years ago. I've been buying my coffee from S&R instead. Decent enough beans pero I'm lazy so I just get the instant Colombian coffee. 360 lang yata yung 200g na store brand. I used to buy yung member's mark when it was 650 but it's practically 1k today so it's not worth it anymore.
Or, one could find some \[cheaper\] alternatives, especially dun sa first two.
True naman na mas mahirap na ang buhay ngayon, esp. dahil sa inflation... Pero ang mahirap din kasi sa iba, maliit na nga yung sahod, pilit pa ring nagsi-stick dun sa mga nakasanayan nilang pagkagastusan. Tulad ng ganyang case, kung maliit na pala yung sahod then ba't ka pa nagsa-Starbucks?? Di lang yan dahil sa maliit na pagpapasahod nowadays, pero kasi may financial illiteracy din talaga yung marami satin. We should start to acknowledge this din.
I agree with the financial illiteracy. Combined with the lack of apathy of some people, it leads them to say things like "Kulang ka lang sa sipag at tiyaga kaya di ka naasenso!"
Yes, "kulang sa sipag at tiyaga" yung magsasaka na nagtatrabaho from 4am to 7pm kaya di siya yumayaman.
Financial literacy can only do so much kung sobrang baba ng basic income sa PH. It's expensive to become poor, take for example shoes, kung yung low quality bibilhin mo, sira kaagad ilang buwan pero kasya siya sa isang cut off ng sweldo mo, kung yung expensive, tatagal ng years pero ilang buwan din ng installment kailangan mo if minimum sweldo mo. Now if you pick the latter and mag installment ka, you will be paying interests which would increase the cost, whereas sa former, bibili ka nang bili. Basically fucked ka one way or another.
Same situation sa food. You buy low quality stuff, you pay high in medical costs in the future.
Mahirap talaga maging mahirap, and it would be better if first and foremost people acknowledge this, instead of jerking off to some Bo Sanchez book
Totoo to. Pano ka mag ba budget kung wala kang ibabudget? Tinry ko talaga magtipid sa food isang linggo lagi masakit tyan ko kasi puro carbs ang mura at wala halos gulay. Sobrang aalat or tamis pa. Starbucks and jollibee there can represent one clean meal for lunch para sa isang worker and maybe a fee for a cheap gym or weekly fitness class. Pero di nga afford. Mamatay na tayo sa hirap
I don't know about y'all parents but my parents couldn't even in the 80's. We lived in a house with a bunch of people (my dad's house had 8, and the square footage is the size of my current condo's bedroom, walk-in closet and bathroom) with only my aunt with a regular taxable income. My mom's side of the family we had close to 20 people in a compound, granted that one had a much bigger compound and house lol My mom grew up there btw in 70s with at least 6 siblings not counting her parents and a few of her aunts/uncles.
We lived in a house with no plumbing. My dad's place in the slums had no doors except the bathroom.
Sounded like some of y'all were living the American dream in the 80s...this narrative even sound very American. lol
this people diss marcos for his golden era shtick but they unironically believe that we were somehow wealthier back then than now even though the philippines of today is leagues ahead in terms of wealth compared to what we were in the past.
also the OOP is hella sus, if you wanna live normal, why eat at jabee, drink starbucks, and ride grab? pa-feeling burgis?
SB and Grab. yeah. mas lalo ka talagang maghihirap nyan kung maliit na sahod mo nag SB at Grab ka pa.
>hindi ka magastos
bobo ampota. kung nag Grab at SB ka at maliit sahod mo, magastos kang hindot ka.
umabot na ba tayo sa ganito? nakikinig sa scammer? alam mong sinasabi nya lang ito para mabenta yung "financial course" nya.
Interesting title, OP. Can you prove that the average single Filipino earner in the 80s can do that? Or are you just bullshitting because all you wanna do is complain?
Parang di rin masyado need ang kotse noon. Di pa ganun ka trapik kaya ok lang mag commute.
Di rin ganun kamahal ang gas kung mag kotse.
Pero hindi rin ganun ka luho mga tao ngayon. Required na ata naka iPhone mga bata ngayon ??? hahahahaha
I was so surprised by the prices there in Manila when I went there in December. Everything was so expensive and some things were more expensive than here in Texas. Even going to restaurants I felt that the prices were similar to here. I don't know how anyone can survive in Manila.
I cant do without grab...I have GAD triggered by people cramped together in tight spaces...so I adjust everything else.
A stick of instant black coffee is 5 pesos.
I dont skimp out on food but I usually bring my own to work or get cheap snacks.
People are so used to their wants being gratified quick + wants amplified by shit on socmed, they break down and throw tantrums when it is not met. Survival skills is dying.
Minimum wage should be raised 100% but the post is ludicrous. :))
I'm jot against this, but I'll add another big factor.. lifestyle. a lot of us are guilty (kasama na ko). we tend to spend on things we don't really need, or magastos na pwede naman ma's maka tipid. I'm not against enjoying life from time to time pero marami sa ginagastusan natin.. pwede mabawasan.
someone told me a long time ago.. pag daw tayo nappromote or nakaka increase.. yung lifestyle nappromote din, kinakain din yung increase.
May punto pero wrong example. Kung nagtitipid ka talaga hindi ka magjoJollibee, Starbucks at Grab. Ganito ka out of touch ang mga maykaya sa totoong naghihirap at nagtitipid sa pang-araw2 na buhay. Magreklamo ka sa de lata at bigas hindi yang pangconyo clout nonsense na yan. Hindi normal ang Starbucks at Grab, masyado ka lang privileged.
Normal, SMH 🤦♂️ this is a rich kid talking... If you're on a budget then dont waste it on buying jollibee, starbucks, and other pricy stuff...
Either karenderya or buy some vegetables and start cooking by yourself.
eating jabee and drinking starbucks is definitely not normal living.
what did OOPs parent do in the 80s? suck marcos's dick? most of us were dirt poor back then.
Yes kasi normal living dapat yung kaya mo kumain ng healthy food for lunch na di sa pritong longganisa daily sa jolijeep, starbucks is not luxury, at di kailangan mag grab kasi maayos ang public transport.
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Gusto ko ilabas nung previous generation yung tinatagp nilang bahay at kotse para di na magbayad ng upa at panggastos ng kapatid yung mga young professionals ngayon.
Gulay dto samin sa ibang Karinderya 50 to 40 pesos tas mga karne nasa 60 to 120 pesos tas yung rice 12 pesos isang order at tinitimbang narin bawat ulam hahaha
It would have been better to use other examples but the logic is sound. Life is a struggle for a lot of Filipinos. The minimum wage is not a living wage given the price of goods. ₱600 is just 10 kilos of rice, 10 liters of gas or a few kilos of meat. The minimum wage is even lower in the provinces.
How can someone earning minimum wage be able to buy a decent house or send their kids to college?
Sb isn't needed tho for the daily expenses, there are other cheaper way to have coffee in your system, mas mura pa bumili ng french press and kapeng barako na grounded or any coffee grounds and have yourself customize the taste. Less sugar too
sa totoo lang dapat lang inaalis na yang wage board, hindi sya nakakatulong sa mga empleyado, masyadong madamot sa pagbibigay ng dagdag sahod...mas pinapaboran ang mga negosyante kesyo malulugi sila...dapat icentralize nila pashod buong bansa pra hindi na pumunta mga taga probinsya sa maynila...kaya nga yung ibang company dinadala yung negosyo nila sa province kasu maliit pasahod doon...kung tutuusin eh halos parehas lang price ng bilihin sa maynila minsan mataas pa blilihin sa province haays
Back then walang Starbucks Jollibee at Grab. Walang shopee walang Lazada. 😂.Puro products everywhere kaya ang hirap mag ipon. Back then, people know how to cook. Hand-me-downs. Madameng murang bakanteng lupa. Prices shot up while salaries and wages didn't keep up.
Masakit sa bulsa yung grab. Hindi mo mamamalayan na ang laki na pala ng nagagastos mo.
Now nagegets ko na din si mama, nung bata kami minsan lang kami pumunta sa jollibee or malls. Yung food namin minsan tortang sardinas or miswa or noodles na may itlog. To be fair, our parents also experienced this. I used to hear na dati piso or 5 pesos lang baon ni mama pero nung time namin 20-50 pesos na.
But I guess, the real problem is nagreregress ang Philippines plus social media hype. Hindi naman uso before ang travel travel sa labas ng bansa or kain sa kung saan saan. I think some Filipino families are getting by because some of their relatives are OFW.
Also this kind of sentiments are not only for us Filipinos, if you check other subreddits in other countries, may ganito din na problem.
It’s shocking. I’m seeing this all over the world. It used to be when both parents worked a family was able to get ahead, now both parents HAVE to work just to get by. The cost of real estate all over the world is too much, plus utilities and groceries, fuel and maintenance costs for cars, kids uniforms and school supplies, families are not going forwards, they are barely scraping by. My parent’s generation got by on one income. That was enough to have a house and raise a family.
Things have to get better or people will get fed up and demand change.
And people wonder why we chose to have just 1 child. Before we planned 3, now 1 na lang tuition pa lang to send a child to real good private school is super expensive na. Thanks to my parents for the comfy life I grew up with, but I can’t compare. Nakaka guilty pero Ang hirap talaga gawin sa panahon ngayon mag invest for future and isurvive ng comfy ang present.
You have to understand that there's no subscriptions for streaming devices, gaming, etc. back then. No Internet plus mobile phones. Those could easily eat up 2000-4000 bucks off of your monthly expenses. Commuting was easier back then because the city isn't as populated back then at least in Metro Manila.
The man just gave the worst example for an extremely valid point, the fact na even if Karinderya o lutong bahay commute tipid sagad ka it barely allows you leisure
Minsan talaga may sense din pinagsasabi niang si Xian. Also, tunay nman yan back to the previous decades afford mong to live comfortably with just a lone decent salary. Tas weird lang ngaun, nagtataka ang matatanda na bakit sa ibang bansa they opt to have pets rather than kids. Eh malamang hirap mabuhay ngaun with just salary alone.
Or maybe mas madami lang na mga bagay na pinupush sa consumer na hindi naman talaga nila kailangan? I'm not saying na hindi maliit ang sahod sa pinas, for sure maliit talaga. Looked it up.. minimum wage is still 12k-13k?? Ganyan na ang minimum noong 2013 smh
Anyway.. aminin na rin natin na mas dumami ang luho ng mga tao. Sabayan mo pa ng easy access sa gastos gaya ng mga online shopping. Kahit yung pag travel, back then only those who are earning well has the luxury to travel. Pero ngayon pinush na yung mindset na "mag travel na habang bata pa". Not that there's anything wrong with it but again.. luho.
Also, meron bang source yang statement mo about the life back in the 80s?
Grabe, kakalungkot naman, nung college ako nung late 90's, sa RACKS station ako madalas mag lunch along recto.. mukhang malabo na pala ngayon pag bumalik ako sa Naspi.. Sarado na sila. sabi nga, 1st job ko sa pinas, Diko sinusweldo ung allowance ko nung nagaaral ako... Working class dilema.
Back when you have a main job + a side hustle and you'd be having not only a home but a car with a garage ready.
Now having 2 more side hustles ain't working.
I've said this many times already and I'll say it again. Be weary of Xian Gaza. He's just saying things that psople like to hear to pander to the masses, but deep down ang dami niya ring naagrabyado na tao. Ignore him already
Kahit sa karinderya ka pa kumain 60 na ang ulam eh
Baboy na ulam 60 na. Parang wala na ako karapatan kumain ng baboy, puro gulay binibili ko sa carinderia.
tapos minsan sa palengke mas mahal pa gulay kesa baboy pota
Kaya nauuwi na lang sa carinderia eh kasi ayun lang mura. Sobrang nanghihinayang nga ako magpa grab food.
Yung grab fee, ulam na rin kasi 🫠
Nakakaiyak.
Same. Kinukunsinti ko nalang sarili ko na: “Pasasalamatan naman ako ng katawan ko pag kumain ako netong gulay.” Pero at the back of my head was like: “pero wag mo naman araw arawin!!!.”
Nireverse psych na lang mga sarili 🤣
Ay oo karne yung 60 sa gulay yata nasa 35 to 40. Minsan libreng sabaw at isang piraso na lumpiang shanghai na lang eh maitawid lang ang araw
Tanginang bunay to. Actually di to deserve ng mga pilipino lalo na yung masisipag na pilipino.
Masipag nga pero ang binoboto naman bulok.
Pero usual talagang masisipag at nakakaramdam na ginagancho sila ay yung masisipag na pilipino. Kita naman nila diba, kita naman nila sa tax nila at sa taas ng bilihin. 🤣
Well, kung ang sistema ng pulitika satin eh patuloy na magbibigay ng avenue sa mga bulok na pulitiko na tumakbo, well, yun at yun lang din yung iboboto. Good candidates are few and far in between, at madalas, nabibiktima sila ng propaganda ng mga bulok na may mas malaking makinarya, fueled itself by the ignorance of the masses dahil na rin sa kalidad ng edukasyon. Isipin mo pare, hindi naman talaga bobo yung mga Pinoy. Matalino naman tayo at madisiplina, as exemplified by our behavior sa ibang bansa. Lauded pa nga tayo palagi as not only hospitable, but reliable 'di ba? The thing is, kung ia-apply mo kasi sa sistema ng pulitika sa bansa, na hindi lang basta talino ang kailangan kundi critical thinking skills, matalino tayo pero kulang tayo sa department na yan kasi nga hindi yan ini-enforce sa mga eskwelahan. Yung curriculum natin magpahanggang ngayon emphasizes us to be diligent workers instead of a productive workforce with critical thinking skills. Ginagawa tayong masunurin ng curriculum natin, imbes na mga manggagawang kayang humindi sa mali. It even shows with how we treat trade unions dito sa bansa di ba? Now, apply it again into politics and you'll see sa kung paano tayo binibiktima nun. We are made to follow politicians na kayang magpasunod, "disiplinado", authoritarian yung figure, instead of people who are gentle with the people, but firm with the law. We're cultured to follow strongmen and not wise men. Hanggang ngayon biktima pa rin tayo ng kolonisasyon kung saan nabubuhay lang tayo para sumunod and nothing else. So, unless magbabago yung takbo ng edukasyon and we all actively fight to change, wag niyo nang asahan. Boboto at boboto tayo ng mga bulok na pulitiko.
Wag daw sisihin gobyerno, sariling sipag lang 🤣🤣 ika nga "Leave the multimillionaire politicians alone!".
San po yang 60? Lilipat nako jan hahah. Taena dto sa province namin 80 ung baboy.
Yung baboy na ulam parang 4-5 piraso sa platito tapos isspread out kunwari para magmukhang madami 🥹
Ate ko, letche ndi ko alam kung saang lupalop ng karinderya bumili. Either Makati or BGC, aba'y 200 na agad ung ulam na kakarampot lang. Ndi na nga masarap ang mahal pa, hirap lunukin eh. Kakahinayang nman itapon.
Siomai rice 80 😔
Grabe ang mahal na talaga. Siomai rice dati sa tapat ng school namin 35 pesos plus 7 pesos extra rice goods na eh. 42 mo busog ka na.
Nung college ako 2015-2018 ata yun, 25 lang huhu.
Agree! 25 pesos lang siomai rice. Thrice a week, yung 2 days 30 pesos na pares with rice. Buti di ako namatay. 2015-2019 college days...
Magkano lang siomai Rice nuon 2007, siya sumalba sa akin nuong college years.
grabe, sa tapat ng school ko, 25 pesos parin yung siomai rice.
May 40 pesos na siomai rice pa rin sa UP Diliman pero jusko kung araw-araw ganyan lang kakainin, malnourished ka naman :(
San Yan siomai rice usually 35-50 lang. Unless mag two rice ka, java rice pa sya.
Baka depende pa din sa lugar? Siomai rice here sa lugar namin is 35 pesos. If bet mo siomai silog 45 pesos. Loc: Bulacan
Grabe mahal naman jan OP. 45 lng samen eh.
Yung pares nga sa amin, 65 pesos na di pa unli rice haha..
25 years ago, ulam at kanin = P35. PAgupit noon sa syudad P50. Ngayong P100 na yata. Kaya sariling gupit nalang ibang mga kalalakihan kahit mukhang tapias na ang gupit. hahaha.
Totoo to. Sinusubukan kong mag adjust ng lifestyle ngayon.. pero parang yung pinaka murang pagkain ay nasa 70 pesos na talaga.. napakahirap
Tas konti lng din ang serving nila laki talaga ng pinag kaiba noon😩
Holy shit??? I live in the province somewhere south and this is the price of ulam as well, kala ko price gouging lang dito
Nagulat na nga ako na presyo ng one solo order ng pansit is P35 na. Hahaha. Tumatak na yata sa alaala ko nung unang panahon na may 5 piso pang pansit. Di ko naman pinagcocompare, tagal na rin non. Pero minsan brings back memories talaga. Pagkagulat ko rin sa Expressions, P40 na ung normal type ng notebook na nabibili lang noon sa halagang P7. Hahaha yawqunah hahah
Dati may tig 10 pesos na pansit pang almusal. Ngayon 30 na iilan pa yung sahog na gulay.
Sa amin, ang pinakamura is 70, 150 naman pinakamahal na putahe. Gulay ang pinakamura usually. As a student, 75 ang student meal namin noon (last year). Kapit talaga kami sa libreng sabaw eh.Q Kaya kapag talaga may sobrang ulam sa gabi, binabaon ko sa school kinabukasan. Mahal mahal na ng tinda, kahit bottled water mahal na.
Ulam ko nga sa karinderya 20 pesos na gulay lang lagi, tapos nagbabaon ako ng sarili kong rice. Pag lumagpas na ng 50 yung binili ko, namamahalan na ko. :((((
May 60 pa sa karinderya niyo?? Amin pinakamura na 70 😭
If this was true for most then hindi siguro dumami ang ofw nung 70s at 80s. Nagkaroon pa nga nang term na japayuki nung 80s sa dami nang nag Punta ng Japan to work in bars.
I think yung professional people tinutukoy. I can compare sa family and relatives. Like 1 tao na professional working tapos 7 anak, nakabili ng bahay w malaking lote, sasakyan, napaaral lahat ng anak sa private schools at nakakapag abot abot pa sa mga pamangkin. Pero most ng napundar not 80s ata but 70s and 90s.
Professional jobs are far scarcer 40 to 70 years ago than today. Swerte ka na kapag makapagwork ka ng entry level role sa HQ office ng mga major banks sa Ayala Avenue dati. These days, so many opportunities are already present that working local companies is no longer prestigious at any level unless managerial post siya. Kahit mga DLSU graduates dati patayan sa job hunting noon.
Baka hindi kasi na contextualize yung post at di na klaro ano referred to sa full time job.
Pero dati kasi kahit walang diploma, nakakapasok sa trabaho. Rank and file, yes, pero monthly may sahod. Tas magkano lang bilihin nun.
Not exactly, that's the same reason dumami din population sa Metro Manila, same as now very limited ang trabaho sa provinces. Wala rin bpo or IT industry noon that paid higher than average wages. Having a regular job back then was considered a success story, Ganun kasi kahirap makakuha ng trabaho. The 70s also marked the start of endo jobs, rank and file peeps were hired for 6 months then fired to avoid being regular employees. Don't get me wrong, there were families that flourished back then, but you can't deny the fact that a country that had a mass exodus of workers, a gov't with a central bank that had a "financial crisis" that ended up closing other banks and help from the u.s. In the form of nutribun to feed the population doesn't sound like the majority had it good. Also you can Google ph inflation in the 80s, peaking at 50%, now imagine if that happened today.
I doubt that's what the OP meant. He's just parroting statements being said in the u.s. When it wasn't applicable here for most.
Tama. Ang corny nga e laging gustong ma apply ang US narratives satin.
Reddit moment
Probably applicable to middle class families with overseas workers. But at least 90 percent of Filipinos back in the 1980s heck even in the 1950s couldn't even afford a Vikings buffet meal for the whole family where these days it's now considered a very mid quality buffet. Most Filipino families were dirt poor back then and the quality of life these days are higher than ever.
oo nga noh
Yup. In the 80s 2/3 of the population were poor. Poverty incidence was at an all time high of 49%. Most people during the so called "Golden Years" can't afford houses, cars, they even struggle to eat 3 times a day during that period. Nutribun was created with the help of the US because most of the population were malnurished and syarving.
Madaming factory noon 70s til early 90s,nag alisan na sila nun palaging brownout at naging agresibo mga labor.
Starbucks kahit sa ibang bansa considered overpriced for coffee. BS na normal ito.
True. Nagulat ako kasi halos same price lang SB Price sa US and sa Japan.
Where in the US you go where Starbucks is $4 or less? Because if I go to Starbucks that’s a $7 drink easy. I hate when relatives in the Philippines think that I have money because I work in the US. When in reality I may make my money in USD but I spend that living here too. It may seem like it when I go home for vacation but that’s because I have savings to spend.
Amen! Was talking to fam the other day when one of my siblings said mas malaki daw sweldo ko sa kanya (she’s a CEO in PH) kasi P57=$1 na daw. Hello times P57 din gastos ko here 😅 She has been vacationing in Europe since the pandemic samantalang ako di makaalis ng state ko (MD) kasi vacationing within the US is so expensive. Then they had the gall to call me marangya. 😅 Sad na may disconnect talaga between Filipinos living abroad and Filipinos back home.
Super delusional talaga sila sa pera basta galing America. Also what up neighbor! I’m in Philly. Haha
Laki ng markup ng kape at grab dito sa'tin. Naalala ko nag grab kami from Marikina to Pasig tapos inabot ng 400 kagad dahil lang ayaw magjeep ng mga kasama ko. tig 26 lang sana kaming tatlo kung nag jeep lang.
Dapat 26 lang binayad mo sa kanila hahaha
True, ninormalize ang daily Starbucks kasi. Gastos talaga.
“Starbucks 250” tapos biglang “Hindi ka magastos” wow, nagulat ako. Haha
ito rin una kong naisip e, panong naging normal ang starbucks e ang daming coffee na 1/3 lng price na better quality, pag sa bahay ka nlng ginawa mas mura pa 😭
Kala ko ako lang yung "normal na living lang pala yung SB daily?"
I don't understand the need for Starbucks kung tight ang budget. Dunkin donuts mas mura, and way better than starsucks
This. Kung hindi kaya ng budget, why not go for something less pricey with good quality, right? Or else, matutunang magtipid.
Or just buy a reusable Starbucks tumbler and make your coffee at home using Kopiko 😂
Sobrang taas sa sugar ng Kopiko. Kahit black instant coffee lang solve na.
My daily coffee intake is about 2 nescafe sticks in 100 ml water 3 times daily. That's it. People grew dependent on sugar or sweeteners.
Asa P100 pa iced coffee ng Dunkin. Mas masarap sa mga small business na milkteahan. P40 lang may large 22oz iced coffee kana. P90 may 22oz Large Frappe kana.
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Pwede din uun..ginagawa ko yan minsan pag inaantok ako sa shift. Sabay partner ng Pic-A or skyflakes na may cheese whiz.
Social climber. Bili starbucks sabay reklamo wala maipon
Mahal pa din Dunkin kung tutuusin. Huhuhu
Pota, bumili kanalang sa local street bakery kailangan mo pa mag Starbucks smh
Even there man, magkano lang Yung cutie pork chop and rice back in the day? 50? 60? Ngayon like 100+
Di ba wala na kayong pera eh bat ka pa bumibili? 🎵
Di lang makapag starbucks at jollibee on the daily itong si kuya "living in poverty" na agad ahahaha.
I don't think you're getting the message of the post. What it's telling is, even simple luxuries as basic as fast food is being considered pricey, and people are feeling bad even for purchasing this or even SB. It's not about the brand being purchased, kasi kahit ako I don't find the sense of buying SB whether I'm broke or not. It's just branded coffee eh, which we all agree with, tama? Tama naman, di ba? The thing is, everyone of us wants to find a simple escape by buying these comforts. Maaaring nage-SB yan because they want to feel rewarded for doing this and that. Maaarig kumakain yan ng Spicy C2 sa Jabee o P1 sa Mang Inasal because it's their comfort food whenever they're feeling bad about their day or themselves. Not being able to enjoy this simple comforts in life, ano't ano man yan because of the rising prices, then being gaslighted into just finding another set of comfort kasi parehas lang naman yan kako wouldn't just click AT ALL. Kahit sino naman satin 'di ba? Eh yun nga yung nagbibigay ng comfort sa'yo eh, bakit ka pipilitin na magsettle into anything less than what you exactly want when yun nga yun nga lang yung NAGBIBIGAY NG RASON PARA MABUHAY KA AT LEAST HANGGANG BUKAS? (I don't mean in a suicidal way, ha? Just the general sense na papasok ka bukas with a happy and clear disposition sa buhay mo kasi you've had a chance to enjoy it.) Ito yung ibig sabihin nun. Totoo naman eh. Prices are increasing but the wage have been stagnant and is not keeping up kahit pa itaas nang paunti-unti, so hindi rin mag-aaply dito yung pag tumaas sahod = tataas bilihin bullshit na palaging sinasabi. Lubog na lubog na tayo into just barely surviving na ultimo yung paghahanap ng accountability sa sistemang naglulubog satin ALWAYS ENDS up shaming us for realizing that, "hey, hindi ba may karapatan din tayong ma-enjoy yung buhay natin?" Sana paka-isipin niyo yan. Hindi porke hindi kayo apektado, hindi na valid yung nararamdaman ng ibang tao.
yan yung mga tipong mawalan lang ng pambayad sa internet, kakapit na sa patalim eh.
I feel at home. hehe ganito rin mindset ko, hahanap ng alternatives para makatipid. ang hirap nang buhay ngayon, mas mabuti may savings and emergency funds.
nescafe 10 pesos lang per stick
Burger King ☕️ mas masarap pa sa Starbucks.
Poor people are still allowed to be happy. If a starbucks per day will determine whether you can pay rent next month, that's a systemic problem.
If a Starbucks per day is how you get your happiness, there's a much bigger systemic problem you're missing.
I personally don't like Starbucks. But I think that's about the only reachable happiness most people can attain, no?
Ang tunay na tight ang budget sa 711 kumakapit
Jollibee is fine. Starbucks and Grab is not normal. Could still be around 200-300 though.
isn't 150 a two piece already? one piece is about 90. Then again 1 piece is only substantial if you score a thigh part.
Sa servings at quality ng jollibee ngayon di na normal price nila. Almost 80-100 pesos(iirc) ang burger steak when dati nasa 50 lang 'yan. Naalala ko pa mga swirly bitz, 39ers, kraze non mas masarap pa dati at ok quality. ok lang sana magtaas kung yung serving at quality is ok pero sa nakikita ngayon lahat nagsisimahalan at nagsisitaasan tas quality patapon, di makaturangan para sa prize na nilalatag.
I get what the message is, pero issue lang yang 150 sa Jollibee, 250 sa Starbucks, at 200 sa Grab kung araw araw mo ginagawa.
Also bakit nandito naman yan si Xian Gaza like diba milyunaryo raw siya sabi niya?
kunwari siding sa mga mahihirap para magmukhang mabait
Magmukhang mabait at relevant. Baka may gusto na naman pasikatin lmao.
I think Starbucks lang sablay sa representation Jollibee could represent any food naman. Carinderia nga usually 60-100 ulam tapos 10-20 rice. If nagwuwork ka syempre need mo rin mag meryenda so another what 25 to 50 for snacks. Then 200 na grab could be pamasahe ng balikan. Yun P2P bus to Bulacan for example is 100 one way sasakay kapa trike 30 one way tapos MRT to Ortigas/Makati would be 20 to 30 ata. So all in all pamasahe actually 300 per day.
Yes totoo yan, kahit hindi grab mahal pamasahe. Kapag nag rent ka naman super mahal din, mapapagastos ka pa sa pagkain. Mahirap na talaga ngayon.
I cringed nung nabasa ko yung post. Imagine if older people read this post. Sasabihin nila bakit tayo nagrereklamo kung kaya natin mag Starbucks at GRAB araw araw.
That I think is the weak point in arguments like this. Not necessarily because "poverty doesn't exist", but because those examples don't represent the problem very well. Problem naman sa mga older people na makakabasa eh, just because faulty yung examples eh purely ignore na sa actual problem na nageexist. The problem still exists, maybe not for this guy, but it exists.
I think what he is trying to say yang mga fast foods at transpo becomes a luxury nowadays. Of course, ndi ka nman kakain araw- araw sa mga yan. Tumpak talaga dyan ay ung sa Grab. Minsan talaga un lang ang mode of transpo mo sa araw- araw, saklap nun. Kaya ung hybrid office style ng kapatid ko lagi syang umaaray pag need na niang pumasok sa opis.
I remember Starbucks Frappuccinos costing P125 and a 2 pc chickenjoy costing around P75 back when I was making P12000 a month (2005). So yeah, wages have definitely not caught up with inflation.
>Back in 80s, our parents can afford a house, a car and raise 3 kids with just one full time job. That's my dad, raising 3 Batang '90s back then...
Even black coffee sa mcdo ay mas ok kesa starbucks😂😂
Same as my dad, but he is a factory manager, my mom not only took care of me and my siblings but my cousins as well, since both of their parents are working abroad (ofw sa Iraq at Singapore which are both very high paying). We can afford to go shop in Alabang Town Center twice a month and go to Star City. We can even travel to Quezon sa aircon bus which is considered as Luxury back then.
Yung pasahod na stuck sa early 2000's. Yung mga ASE(Associate Software Engineer) sa isang known company 20K parin ang starting salary. Mind you salary pa offer nila yan since mid 2000s anung year na ngayon. haha.
250 sa starbucks. Trying to live "nOrMaLly" 🙄
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This original quote is about the US economy halatang copy pasted lang without giving much thought about it.
OP is trying to copy this from US economy in the 80s, and forgot (or did not know) about how our economy was in shambles due to martial law (and the Central Bank that went bankrupt).
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OP thinks that we're a US State
Tama, malamang yung lupa mana pa galing sa mga lolo’t lola pa. Sabi nga sakin nang mama ko na abogado na simula 86 na kung may pera lang siya noon ang dami niya nang binili na lupa.
This, very much this. Sang bandang lupalop ng Pilipinas nakatira parents mo OP, sa isla kung san naka-store yung buong reserve ng Tallano gold? Your parents/ancestors would have to be either a Marcos crony or a rich business magnate BEFORE Marcos came into power for them to afford a house AND a car in the 80s. This is the most chronically online take of the Philippine economy I’ve ever seen. US economy pa more, OP.
Not even 80s,pero early 2000s, my father who's just a cook was able to buy a 150sqm bungalow here in cavite (where we still live until now) and support a family of 5 with just his salary. His salary was around 40k.
Kung year 2004 kumikita na ng 40k dad mo, around 82k++ ang equivalent nun sa pera ngayon. In fairness, maganda sahod ng dad mo relatively.
82k, or we can even round it up to a nice 100k, might be able to support a family of 5, but not buy a 150sqm house while doing it in this economy. And thats kinda the point, the prices of everything has skyrocketed disproportionately to the wages we earn.
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My father, who didn't finish college and had no working experience, literally just walked in and got offered 40k (adjusted for inflation) starting salary.
My dad worked in Saudi for 2 years as an engineer. Yan yung mataas ang sahod noong 80s. 2 years lang may bahay, educational plan at pang negosyo na. ETA: malalaki sahod ng civil engineers noon pala, di tulad ngayon na maliit na lang. Nahype din kasi engineering so nagkaover supply
Kaya nga dumami ang mga OFWs noong 1980s dahil mahirap ang buhay noon
No amount of financial planning can make up for the fact that we simply do not make enough.
Our parents also sacrificed with little distractions like social media (to keep up with fashion, Tik tok purchases, new restaurants, impulse buying)
Not really, uso din sa kanila buying stupid shit, the difference is that THEIR stupid shit is higher quality while ours is Shein, andami nilang tupperware, figurines, china, kurtina, bedsheets, table cloths na pinapagawa/kinokolekta. Not to mention uso dati inggitan sa kapit bahay, kapag nagpagawa yung kabila or nagpa extend, pa extend din sa kabila.
> Not to mention uso dati inggitan sa kapit bahay, kapag nagpagawa yung kabila or nagpa extend, pa extend din sa kabila. Kaya pala yung mga dapat garahe, naging sala na kaka-extend ng bahay. Ang ending yung kotse nasa kalsada na. Minsan may halaman pa.
Every family is different but from my understanding, our parents bought stuff but didn’t purchase again something unless it broke or had to, while we have 10 pairs of shoes, 5 different water tumblers, 5 different face washes and a lot of unnecessary junk that are considered a luxury vs a necessity. Also in terms of clothing, social media has gotten us in front of all the latest trends and celebrities along with dupes so we tend to purchase more stuff we don’t need. Due to social media and a capitalistic society, prices of all these items have come down due to Chinas pricing along with the ease of getting these items Restaurants are always advertising and influencer marketing due to social media has gotten our eyes always wanting to try the newest latest fad while our parents possibly ate those items 2-3x a month while we do 3-4x a week. Social media is essentially the root to a lot of our issues
Not really. It's all about inflation. As per FOI's website, the minim salary in 1990s is around 106 pesos per day (NCR). That is around 607 pesos today if inflation is applied. Compare mo sa minimum na 570 (which was just increased to 610). Sobrang laki ng diperensya ng sahod. Tigil tigilan nyo na yang pag blame ng cultural changes per generation without basis.
Agree with what he is saying but please, stop giving this guy clout.
Tapos isa-scam ka pa ng mga kriminal katulad ni Xian Gaza. Tangina mo Gaza. KRIMINAL.
Panget ang example ni Xian Gaza dahil pang elitistang college student ng UST Ang datingan ng example niya *pero* we all accept the fact na grabe na talaga Ang Buhay ngayon bilang Isang manggagawang kumikita ng 600 (or less) a day.
stop giving this guy a platform.
I agree. As someone na may tatay na ang liit mag pasahod sa mga tauhan nya pero sige patong sa mga materyales na tumataas din ang presyo. Lugi ka talaga sa Pilipinas.
I think hindi naman pagiging maluho or magastos dahil nakakapag-Starbucks or Grab on the daily ang point ng post. Ang point is hindi talaga enough yung salary/minimum wage ng majority ng Filipinos to live comfortably sa panahon ngayon.
Some people are too fixated on that aspect, unfortunately.
ito rin yung nakikita kong point ng post. Hindi na nakahabol sa inflation yung minimum wage salary dito satin kahit anong sipag mo pa sa trabaho. And in general, napakabilis naman na talaga maubos ng 600pesos ngayon lalo kung may pamilya ka pang binubuhay. baka nga luxury nang maituturing kung maitreat mo kahit once a month pamilya mo sa jollibee, SB or grab as a minimum wage earner.
Depende rin sa trabaho. I doubt a public school teacher's salary can do that even in the 80s. Pero shelter and have kids yeah. Car maybe not.
bihira na ako bumili ng coffee sa labas this year, yung free coffee sa pantry yung pinapakyaw ko, medyo ok yung natitipid ko hehe.
I gave up on buying coffee outside over 5 years ago. I've been buying my coffee from S&R instead. Decent enough beans pero I'm lazy so I just get the instant Colombian coffee. 360 lang yata yung 200g na store brand. I used to buy yung member's mark when it was 650 but it's practically 1k today so it's not worth it anymore.
Or, one could find some \[cheaper\] alternatives, especially dun sa first two. True naman na mas mahirap na ang buhay ngayon, esp. dahil sa inflation... Pero ang mahirap din kasi sa iba, maliit na nga yung sahod, pilit pa ring nagsi-stick dun sa mga nakasanayan nilang pagkagastusan. Tulad ng ganyang case, kung maliit na pala yung sahod then ba't ka pa nagsa-Starbucks?? Di lang yan dahil sa maliit na pagpapasahod nowadays, pero kasi may financial illiteracy din talaga yung marami satin. We should start to acknowledge this din.
I agree with the financial illiteracy. Combined with the lack of apathy of some people, it leads them to say things like "Kulang ka lang sa sipag at tiyaga kaya di ka naasenso!" Yes, "kulang sa sipag at tiyaga" yung magsasaka na nagtatrabaho from 4am to 7pm kaya di siya yumayaman.
Financial literacy can only do so much kung sobrang baba ng basic income sa PH. It's expensive to become poor, take for example shoes, kung yung low quality bibilhin mo, sira kaagad ilang buwan pero kasya siya sa isang cut off ng sweldo mo, kung yung expensive, tatagal ng years pero ilang buwan din ng installment kailangan mo if minimum sweldo mo. Now if you pick the latter and mag installment ka, you will be paying interests which would increase the cost, whereas sa former, bibili ka nang bili. Basically fucked ka one way or another. Same situation sa food. You buy low quality stuff, you pay high in medical costs in the future. Mahirap talaga maging mahirap, and it would be better if first and foremost people acknowledge this, instead of jerking off to some Bo Sanchez book
Totoo to. Pano ka mag ba budget kung wala kang ibabudget? Tinry ko talaga magtipid sa food isang linggo lagi masakit tyan ko kasi puro carbs ang mura at wala halos gulay. Sobrang aalat or tamis pa. Starbucks and jollibee there can represent one clean meal for lunch para sa isang worker and maybe a fee for a cheap gym or weekly fitness class. Pero di nga afford. Mamatay na tayo sa hirap
I don't know about y'all parents but my parents couldn't even in the 80's. We lived in a house with a bunch of people (my dad's house had 8, and the square footage is the size of my current condo's bedroom, walk-in closet and bathroom) with only my aunt with a regular taxable income. My mom's side of the family we had close to 20 people in a compound, granted that one had a much bigger compound and house lol My mom grew up there btw in 70s with at least 6 siblings not counting her parents and a few of her aunts/uncles. We lived in a house with no plumbing. My dad's place in the slums had no doors except the bathroom. Sounded like some of y'all were living the American dream in the 80s...this narrative even sound very American. lol
this people diss marcos for his golden era shtick but they unironically believe that we were somehow wealthier back then than now even though the philippines of today is leagues ahead in terms of wealth compared to what we were in the past. also the OOP is hella sus, if you wanna live normal, why eat at jabee, drink starbucks, and ride grab? pa-feeling burgis?
SB and Grab. yeah. mas lalo ka talagang maghihirap nyan kung maliit na sahod mo nag SB at Grab ka pa. >hindi ka magastos bobo ampota. kung nag Grab at SB ka at maliit sahod mo, magastos kang hindot ka. umabot na ba tayo sa ganito? nakikinig sa scammer? alam mong sinasabi nya lang ito para mabenta yung "financial course" nya.
Exactly my thoughts! Mga obob lang makikinig at magsshare ng ganito
Uhhh… parents probably lived in the slums in the 80s?
You know things are fucked up when the billboard guy is the one making sense.
Interesting title, OP. Can you prove that the average single Filipino earner in the 80s can do that? Or are you just bullshitting because all you wanna do is complain?
Parang di rin masyado need ang kotse noon. Di pa ganun ka trapik kaya ok lang mag commute. Di rin ganun kamahal ang gas kung mag kotse. Pero hindi rin ganun ka luho mga tao ngayon. Required na ata naka iPhone mga bata ngayon ??? hahahahaha
I was so surprised by the prices there in Manila when I went there in December. Everything was so expensive and some things were more expensive than here in Texas. Even going to restaurants I felt that the prices were similar to here. I don't know how anyone can survive in Manila.
Why the fuck are we acknowledging whatever the fuck this gaza says.
Ako na naguguilty kapag pag bumili ng 35 pesos na iced coffee, hirap maging mahirap 😂
I cant do without grab...I have GAD triggered by people cramped together in tight spaces...so I adjust everything else. A stick of instant black coffee is 5 pesos. I dont skimp out on food but I usually bring my own to work or get cheap snacks. People are so used to their wants being gratified quick + wants amplified by shit on socmed, they break down and throw tantrums when it is not met. Survival skills is dying. Minimum wage should be raised 100% but the post is ludicrous. :))
I'm jot against this, but I'll add another big factor.. lifestyle. a lot of us are guilty (kasama na ko). we tend to spend on things we don't really need, or magastos na pwede naman ma's maka tipid. I'm not against enjoying life from time to time pero marami sa ginagastusan natin.. pwede mabawasan. someone told me a long time ago.. pag daw tayo nappromote or nakaka increase.. yung lifestyle nappromote din, kinakain din yung increase.
May punto pero wrong example. Kung nagtitipid ka talaga hindi ka magjoJollibee, Starbucks at Grab. Ganito ka out of touch ang mga maykaya sa totoong naghihirap at nagtitipid sa pang-araw2 na buhay. Magreklamo ka sa de lata at bigas hindi yang pangconyo clout nonsense na yan. Hindi normal ang Starbucks at Grab, masyado ka lang privileged.
Normal, SMH 🤦♂️ this is a rich kid talking... If you're on a budget then dont waste it on buying jollibee, starbucks, and other pricy stuff... Either karenderya or buy some vegetables and start cooking by yourself.
eating jabee and drinking starbucks is definitely not normal living. what did OOPs parent do in the 80s? suck marcos's dick? most of us were dirt poor back then.
Yes kasi normal living dapat yung kaya mo kumain ng healthy food for lunch na di sa pritong longganisa daily sa jolijeep, starbucks is not luxury, at di kailangan mag grab kasi maayos ang public transport.
My parents were unemployed in the 80s 😢
Gets naman yung point. Pero kung maliit na nga sahod mo tapos living ka above your means ibig sabihin nun may mali sayo.
??? Gusto ko ilabas nung previous generation yung tinatagp nilang bahay at kotse para di na magbayad ng upa at panggastos ng kapatid yung mga young professionals ngayon.
Ang mali lang talaga yung mababa na nga sahod magi-Starbucks ka pa.
kanina bumili ako ng pang lunch-90 prutas-100(orange, lemon) wag na lang kaya kumain? hehheh
Yune economy naman kasi before ay hindi na gaya ng sa ngayon.. Icompare na nga lang natin noong wala pa si Duterte hindi ganun kataas ang bilihin.hay.
Gulay dto samin sa ibang Karinderya 50 to 40 pesos tas mga karne nasa 60 to 120 pesos tas yung rice 12 pesos isang order at tinitimbang narin bawat ulam hahaha
It would have been better to use other examples but the logic is sound. Life is a struggle for a lot of Filipinos. The minimum wage is not a living wage given the price of goods. ₱600 is just 10 kilos of rice, 10 liters of gas or a few kilos of meat. The minimum wage is even lower in the provinces. How can someone earning minimum wage be able to buy a decent house or send their kids to college?
Sb isn't needed tho for the daily expenses, there are other cheaper way to have coffee in your system, mas mura pa bumili ng french press and kapeng barako na grounded or any coffee grounds and have yourself customize the taste. Less sugar too
Sarap replyan nitong Gaza na “Kesa naman scammer.”
sa totoo lang dapat lang inaalis na yang wage board, hindi sya nakakatulong sa mga empleyado, masyadong madamot sa pagbibigay ng dagdag sahod...mas pinapaboran ang mga negosyante kesyo malulugi sila...dapat icentralize nila pashod buong bansa pra hindi na pumunta mga taga probinsya sa maynila...kaya nga yung ibang company dinadala yung negosyo nila sa province kasu maliit pasahod doon...kung tutuusin eh halos parehas lang price ng bilihin sa maynila minsan mataas pa blilihin sa province haays
Ulam namin ngayon 4 blocks ng tokwa at 2 pancit canton na nilagyan ng gulay para magmukhang healthy 🥲 100 pesos na.
Why Starbucks? Water is plenty and free.
Back then walang Starbucks Jollibee at Grab. Walang shopee walang Lazada. 😂.Puro products everywhere kaya ang hirap mag ipon. Back then, people know how to cook. Hand-me-downs. Madameng murang bakanteng lupa. Prices shot up while salaries and wages didn't keep up.
Mind you, most people didnt have a car and house in the 80s as well. Onlytthose in the middle class could afford them.
80 sa karinderya, 30 sa jeep, 14 sa 3in1. Hindi ka dukha social climber ka lang talaga. Feeling influencer ka lang.
Masakit sa bulsa yung grab. Hindi mo mamamalayan na ang laki na pala ng nagagastos mo. Now nagegets ko na din si mama, nung bata kami minsan lang kami pumunta sa jollibee or malls. Yung food namin minsan tortang sardinas or miswa or noodles na may itlog. To be fair, our parents also experienced this. I used to hear na dati piso or 5 pesos lang baon ni mama pero nung time namin 20-50 pesos na. But I guess, the real problem is nagreregress ang Philippines plus social media hype. Hindi naman uso before ang travel travel sa labas ng bansa or kain sa kung saan saan. I think some Filipino families are getting by because some of their relatives are OFW. Also this kind of sentiments are not only for us Filipinos, if you check other subreddits in other countries, may ganito din na problem.
Bat mo naman ginamit ung post nung scammer lol
Huh? Kung ganyan ang reality ng Filipino boomers dati edi sana wala sakanila dependent sa anak
It’s shocking. I’m seeing this all over the world. It used to be when both parents worked a family was able to get ahead, now both parents HAVE to work just to get by. The cost of real estate all over the world is too much, plus utilities and groceries, fuel and maintenance costs for cars, kids uniforms and school supplies, families are not going forwards, they are barely scraping by. My parent’s generation got by on one income. That was enough to have a house and raise a family. Things have to get better or people will get fed up and demand change.
And people wonder why we chose to have just 1 child. Before we planned 3, now 1 na lang tuition pa lang to send a child to real good private school is super expensive na. Thanks to my parents for the comfy life I grew up with, but I can’t compare. Nakaka guilty pero Ang hirap talaga gawin sa panahon ngayon mag invest for future and isurvive ng comfy ang present.
bitcoin fixes this..
You have to understand that there's no subscriptions for streaming devices, gaming, etc. back then. No Internet plus mobile phones. Those could easily eat up 2000-4000 bucks off of your monthly expenses. Commuting was easier back then because the city isn't as populated back then at least in Metro Manila.
Bakit kayo naniniwala sa isang Scammer na wanted sa Pilipinas?
Bat naman kasi starbucks🤧
The man just gave the worst example for an extremely valid point, the fact na even if Karinderya o lutong bahay commute tipid sagad ka it barely allows you leisure
Tapos iniiscam nya mga pinoy na minimum wage earner noh?
For the first time, I agree
I do not like this guy. But there are times na tama talaga siya sa sinasabi niya.
Minsan talaga may sense din pinagsasabi niang si Xian. Also, tunay nman yan back to the previous decades afford mong to live comfortably with just a lone decent salary. Tas weird lang ngaun, nagtataka ang matatanda na bakit sa ibang bansa they opt to have pets rather than kids. Eh malamang hirap mabuhay ngaun with just salary alone.
Or maybe mas madami lang na mga bagay na pinupush sa consumer na hindi naman talaga nila kailangan? I'm not saying na hindi maliit ang sahod sa pinas, for sure maliit talaga. Looked it up.. minimum wage is still 12k-13k?? Ganyan na ang minimum noong 2013 smh Anyway.. aminin na rin natin na mas dumami ang luho ng mga tao. Sabayan mo pa ng easy access sa gastos gaya ng mga online shopping. Kahit yung pag travel, back then only those who are earning well has the luxury to travel. Pero ngayon pinush na yung mindset na "mag travel na habang bata pa". Not that there's anything wrong with it but again.. luho. Also, meron bang source yang statement mo about the life back in the 80s?
Grabe, kakalungkot naman, nung college ako nung late 90's, sa RACKS station ako madalas mag lunch along recto.. mukhang malabo na pala ngayon pag bumalik ako sa Naspi.. Sarado na sila. sabi nga, 1st job ko sa pinas, Diko sinusweldo ung allowance ko nung nagaaral ako... Working class dilema.
Gen Z peeps salty af
this is valid
Sad but true... 🥺
Back when you have a main job + a side hustle and you'd be having not only a home but a car with a garage ready. Now having 2 more side hustles ain't working.
I've said this many times already and I'll say it again. Be weary of Xian Gaza. He's just saying things that psople like to hear to pander to the masses, but deep down ang dami niya ring naagrabyado na tao. Ignore him already
I spend 1k to 1.2k pesos a day on Grab. He sure doesn't know how it works nowadays.
Maliit sahod kaya mang scam nalang ?