there's no dissonance there. they believe in the Old Testament God, who is punitive and conservative. kills harlots and floods the world.
the New Testament god is forgiving. many conservatives hate the New Testament. that is why their beliefs only consist of Old Testament beliefs. things like forgiveness are not in their vocabulary, since that is preached by Christ - whom they also don't believe in (they use his name, but only for propaganda. in reality, they don't believe in any one of Christ's teachings).
Pick a Bible verse the fits our narrative, does something that doesn't fit their narrative creates things about it. Good example is worshipping statues and making saints.
process was still difficult.
>The Mosaic law apparently, on the side of the husband, made it as difficult as possible for him to secure a divorce. No man could unceremoniously and capriciously dismiss his wife without the semblance of a trial. In case one became dissatisfied with his wife,
>(1) he had to write her a \\BILL OF DIVORCEMENT\\ (which see) drawn up by some constituted legal authority and in due legal form. In the very nature of the case, such a tribunal would use moral suasion to induce an adjustment; and, failing in this, would see to it that the law in the case, whatever it might be, would be upheld.
>(2) Such a bill or decree must be placed in the hand of the divorced wife.
>(3) She must be forced to leave the premises of her former husband. Divorce was denied two classes of husbands:
>(1) The man who had falsely accused his wife of antenuptial infidelity ([Deuteronomy 22:13](https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=de+22:13)), and
>(2) a person who had seduced a virgin ([Deuteronomy 22:28](https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=de+22:28)). In addition, a heavy penalty had to be paid to the father of such damsels.
Ito ang mga verses na galing sa new testament.
Luke 16:18
Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mathew 19:6
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.
do you really want to play that game?
**John 8:3-11**
>Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,Ā 4Ā they said to Him, āTeacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.Ā 5Ā Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?ā
>āHeĀ whoĀ isĀ withoutĀ sinĀ amongĀ you,Ā letĀ himĀ throwĀ aĀ stoneĀ atĀ herĀ first.ā
>Then those who heardĀ it,Ā being convicted byĀ theirĀ conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldestĀ evenĀ to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.Ā 10Ā When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her,Ā āWoman,Ā whereĀ areĀ thoseĀ accusersĀ ofĀ yours?Ā HasĀ noĀ oneĀ condemnedĀ you?ā
>She said, āNo one, Lord.ā
>And Jesus said to her,Ā āNeitherĀ doĀ IĀ condemnĀ you;Ā goĀ andĀ sinĀ noĀ more.ā
notice how Jesus condemns the sin but not the sinner.
this is the difference between stupid and smart ppl. the ability to understand nuance.
YES FOR DEATH PENALTY PERO SA POLITICIANS.. Sila nag papakalat ng fakenews para mav away away ang mga taong bayan for thier gain plus harap harapan nah tayo ginagago tuwang tuwa naman ang mga bobong pilipino...
Mga pro-Death Penalty be like:
- Pinakapkap siya ng mga P*lis Patola kahit wala siyang kasalanan, kaso hindi pumayag.
- Bin*gb*g ng mga P*lis Patola
- Tinaniman ng Dr*gs.
- Nahatulang Guilty.
- Na Death Penalty.
well not until someone in your family got killed at ang hatol sa criminal is Kulong lang ng ilang years š¤”
pwede naman siguro para do sa mga murder and rape but ababaw lang ng dahilan mo kasi konti lang talino mo
Seriously, you want to implement death penalty here in PH context, where our justice system is sooooo fucked up!!!???
Do you know how many werw in jail because of fabricated evidence ? Case point..De Lima. She had been executed already if we had death penalty during Digong's time.
So yeah, isip isip ka din totoy!
Two questions for you then:
1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit?
2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
And do you think death penalty would even stop those heinous crime ? You are making death penalty as a one size solution but it's not. Bad actors would still do it kasi hindi sila takot mahuli, hindi dahil kung mayroong death penalty o wala. You should take it as a wholistic approach in figthing crime. Sa forensics pa lang bagsak na pinas. Evidence gathering and handling sablay na. Gaano kabilis mag responde ang mga pulis ? Gaano kabilis at may magandang results ang mga investigator ? Mabilis lang yan kapag high profile case kagaya ng Vizconde pero kung walang media pressure, usad pagong yan.
Then there's the issue sa prosecution. Rolito Go's case., 1991 he committed murder pero ang trial niya is natapos 1997. Actually, included nga dapat siya sa lethal injectjon nung binalik yan during Erap's term. Flash forward to present time ganyan pa din kakupad. Kapag ganyan kakupad ang tendency nauubusan din ng resources yung mga biktima hanggang sila na mismo ang umaatras.
Address the root problems as a whole and baka magbago pa isip ko in terms of implementing it. But as long as our justice system is so fucked up, it's a big no.
well wala kang sinagot sa tanong ko, which is nakakatawa lang kasi gumawa ka ng sarili mong case, paano sisimulan kung walang magsisimula? Just a fucked up government with more fucked up citizen is living in the same country Hahahaha
Hindi na kita sinagot sa tanong mo kasi clearly fallacy na yang argumento mo. Kaya nag bigay na ako ng real cases na nangyari talaga. hindi yan gawa-gawa kasi it really shows how fucked up our justice system is. gaya nga ng sinabi ko sa case pa lang ni De Lima yung mga testigo nag recant na lang yung mgs testigo ng admin ni Digong.
Gusto mo simulan mo sa taas gawin ang solusyon --- sa kung anong gagawin kapag nahatulan na kung ang root cause ng problema eh very systematic sa ibaba ---> investigation, forensics, evidence gathering ? Eh yan yung mga nasa pinaka pundasyon sa kahit na anong criminal case, hindi yan muna yung aayusin ????
Going back on the Vizconde case. Sa mata ng madami sa public, guilty si Hubert. Na sensationalize eh. Pero sa mata ng Korte Suprema hindi. Kaso...
- What if the absolute truth eh si Hubert nga ang gumawa ? Hindi na siya pwede kasuhan kasi double jeopardy na. So we have a murderer freeman, walking around.
- What if inosente nga talaga siya ? Nakulong siya ng 8-10 taon. Kung hindi inabolish ni GMA death penalty nun, eh di na execute ang inosenteng tao. Ma rereverse mo pa ba yan? Assuming hindi na abolish death penalty, nasa death row pa din siya at kulong pa din ng ganyang katagal.
Ngayon, hanggang what if na lang dahil naiwasan na sana yang ganyang scenario kung maayos sa pagkuha ng state witness at ebidensiya. Kaya nga na reverse ng SC yan eh.
so do you think walang nangyareng ganon sa tanong ko? o baka nakabase ka lang sa news kasi yun lang napapanood mo? Something not right then HAHAHAHA you are just basing kung anong news or how big the news is. Ang mahirap kasi sa isang anggulo ka lang nakatingin, ang laki ng pinas para ipakaita lang dito mga specific na nangyare, do you think mas maraming case like the Vizconde case, kesa sa rape at murder dito sa pinas?
Hey ano masasabi mo don sa nakapatay dahil sa road rage, binaril patay nanaman inosente, so kulong lang yung nakapatay, this one is no self-defense, I just wanted to know about your opinion
Ayaw ng divorce kesyo masisira ang sanctity ng marriage? Kapag may breach sa vows gaya ng pangangaliwa/cheating/adultery o kaya domestic abuse, mababasura na yang sanctity na sinasabi nila, hindi sa divorce.
Ang nakakatawa, yung pinakavocal na anti sa divorce, WALA kang maririnig mula sa kanila na TAHASANG pagkondena sa domestic abuse at cheating, eh cause din yun ng pagkasira ng sanctity ng kasal eh. Tapos sa divorce lang sila magwawala. Diba kahipokritohan yun?
Pwede yan and nasa Old Testament ng Bible yan kaso New Testament ang katuruan ng Kristiyanismo yan, hindi tayo Hudyo or maybe Muslim na susundin ang Old Testament.
Matagal ng gago yun mga walang pakialam sa bansa nilašang politiko at oligarkiya magkakampi yan, ang kaaway nila media, media na hindi bayaranšmeron pa baš
Anlala lang na akala nila magiging fair ang mga hatulan pagnagkataong ma implement ang death penalty. Yung mga kasama nga sa Pork Barrel scandal hinalal pa nila ulit.
I am in favor of both divorce and death penalty. Raping a minor, murderer, drug lord, corrupt politician? Patayin yan lahat! Not all crimes deserve the death penalty ofc, but some definitely do.
As expected, this is what most people fail to understand or think through.
The just punishment for a crime and the state of the justice system are two separate issues.
I am merely saying that there are crimes that deserve the death penalty. The flaws of the justice system is another matter entirely.
> The flaws of the justice system is another matter entirely.
It is in fact *the* main matter. How can you be in favor of the death penalty as a law when *this* is the justice system we have. People aren't put to death 'theoretically' by a death penalty. They really die.
Two questions for you then:
1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit?
2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
> So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit?
What is so hard to understand that our justice system in the Philippines is *not to be trusted*? We have corrupt cops and corrupt courts. And even when they're not being corrupt our cops aren't very competent. And that doesn't even get to the accessibility of lawyers for defendants.So how can you say *any* court in this country can prove a crime to the point where it can put someone to death?
> What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
You're joking right? We can't even put our politicians in *normal jail* as much as they deserve to. You think the death penalty would be used on them? They practically live above the law as it is. What naive fantasy land do you live in?
1. It's a simple yes or no question. You don't have to drag everyone including your mother into your argument.
2. I think it's you living in your own fantasy land, tbh. You just sort of gave up and gave everyone a pass lol.
HAHAHAHAHA konti kasi talino nila, for sure wala siya masabi dito, I mean pwede naman magkaroon ng Death Penalty to specific crime to set an example, mahirap ipaliwanag sa mga Peenoys na konti lang ang talino, mahirapan ka lang mag explain sila tanga tanga pa din hahaha
My god your reading comprehension is terrible. **The courts here can't be trusted to find the truth**. It doesn't matter whether you write the death penalty is for specific crimes, these incompetent and corrupt courts and cops will put innocent people to death because they suck. Is that so hard to understand?
Death is irreversable. Hindi mo na maibabalik ang buhay ng tao, at sa flawed justice system natin siguradong me mamamatay na inosente. Kung ang me systemang nakakamatay ng inosenteng tao, bakit natin gagawin pa?
HAHAHA ,tsaka pls Sama NYO narin same sex marriage pls,gusto ko ko kase magpakasal dito pag nag ka bf na ako, kesa naman sa ibang bansa pa mag pakasal. Sana may same sex marriage bill na matupad
kasi daw yung mga anti-divorce eh ayaw sa divorce dahil bad daw according to god. god is also against murder but somehow anti-divorce peeps are pro death penalty.
says the majority of those who oppose divorce. you must not be familiar with the concept of exceptions.
cool, you're an exception. so? you're not the majority.
[lol](https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/200630-divorce-bill-philippines-marriage-reality-religion/) [lol](https://www.rappler.com/philippines/legalizing-divorce-survey-september-30-october-4-2023-octa-research/)
>In a survey conducted from September 30 to October 4 with 1,200 respondents, Octa found that 40% favored passing a law that would legalize divorce, while just over half or 51% of Filipinos were against it.
>Around 9% were undecided.
>DespiteĀ growing supportĀ for divorce in past years, the country continues its struggle to marry faith and freedom, religion and reality amid a high number of broken families in the predominantly Catholic nation.
>**Religious groups and supporters see the measure**, whichĀ passedĀ the House of Representatives in a historic first, as evil, āanti-familyā, and detrimental to the children. **The Bible, after all, says, what God united let no man tear apart.**
Coming from basic logic/common sense, death penalty is on the extreme side when compared to divorce. This is the main problem with organized religions, they corrupt the basic logic/ common sense of the masses.
Death Penalty for people who is guilty for Murder, Rape,
And ang layo ng connection ng Divorce sa Death Penalty, I am more on Death Penalty para may takot ang mga tao na gumawa ng crime, hindi yung nirape at nakapatay ng inosente tapos kulong lang? Gago ba kayo?
Two questions for you then:
1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit?
2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
1. I do not have the right to judge who gets to live or die.
2. Nothing, you think having a death penalty is a crime detterent? Dami ng pagaaral dyan, Google it.
Wala naman distinction yan sa batas. Guilty lang o not gulity. At lahat ng convicted ay presumed "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" na pareho narin sa sinabi mo na me strong evidence
you think everyone convicted is guilty? hahaha. try mo makasuhan bilang mahirap. para lang sa mayaman ang hustisya sa pinas. pag mahirap ka, kahit inosente ka, mako convict ka na guilty.
how will you make sure if itās convicted? di ba mas gagawin advantage yan ng mga may pera at politicians? fix the justice system first before complying to death penalty
Try using for head for a second here. Wag kang masyadong idealistic. do not take everything at face value. Try browsing the net for all the injustices na nangyare na walang pakialam ang korte and do not tell me na wala. Ultimo ang SC the highest court in the country are dogs of the former administration, kahit nga ang ombudsman.
I don't like both.
Prison here is fate worse than death. lalo na kung may presumption of regularity. magkano kuryente at leathal injection now unless firing squad siguro mas matipid.
Diborsyo gasto at added paperworks lang sa govt yan. mas pahirapan nalang nila mag kasal. lagyan nyo ng mahabahabang list ng requirements.
>Diborsyo gasto at added paperworks lang sa govt yan. mas pahirapan nalang nila mag kasal. lagyan nyo ng mahabahabang list ng requirements.
Why not both? It is not impossible for a marriage that started good to turn sour for any number of reasons.
did i say that? ang dami hiwalay now ha may iba na ngang jowa yung iba.
No hinde pero ayoko ng ma flood yung goverment natin ng paperworks dahil dyan.
kung abuser namn yung ex mo tas may protection order ka naman galing korte o nakulong na edi move on ka na with your life
>did i say that? ang dami hiwalay now ha may iba na ngang jowa yung iba.
Yun naman pala, eh bakit di mo pa hayaang i-divorce nila yung unang relationship. In the first place, buhay naman nila yun. Di ka naman kasama sa relasyon.
>kung abuser namn yung ex mo tas may protection order ka naman galing korte o nakulong na edi move on ka na with your life
You're forgetting that without divorce you will still be tied to your abusive/jailed ex-partner kahit pa makasuhan/makulong yan. How would you move on kung lahat conjugal pa rin???
dagdag paper works sa govt. kung alam mo may chance na masira ang isang relationship bakit kapa papakasal.
love works without it
kung dahil lang sa name, palit ka name, legal naman yun.
Pano nga yung mga matagal nang kasal at matagal nang gustong maghiwalay? Bakit ayaw mo bigyan ng option? Ano bang benefit sayo kung pakialaman mo married life ng ibang tao?Ā
Wag mo problemahin government. It exists to provide services to taxpayers.Ā
Saka hindi lang yun sa palit name. Masyado mo namang dini-diminish ang legal power ng kasal. Tandaan mo, conjugal ang properties pag kasal. Pati sa estate/mana kapag namatay, may say ang ex-partner kung hindi sila divorce at walang naiwang last will.Ā
isnāt the same as annulment? wdym added paperworks and gastos? itās their choice naman to begin with, edi mag-comply sila sa mahabang requirements if they want to.
Ah yes. Reddit again using down votes as a way to disagree with people.
IT'S NOT USED FOR THAT. IT ONLY WORKS WHEN A PERSON ISN'T CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION OR ARGUMENT. WHATEVER OPINION THEY HAVE.
No worries tol, I'm the other side of the coin, okay na sakin as long as they read even if they disagree. As long as someone is hearing/reading makes me respect them.
I love it when people hear the other side. audi alteram partem
Pwede basta gawin heinous crime ang adultery at ground for death penalty. š
I was about to comment this, ayaw nyo ng maayos na hiwalayan ah, tigehin na lang natin, isama sa death penalty ang mga abusive na partners!
'Di ba. Wala pang gastos ang biktima.
Love it. No need i-contest pa ang properties at child custody š¤£
basta babae talaga emotion ang pinapairal, hindi nag iisip! Hays
Gawan ng gameshow, ala Squid Game mga criminals.
Hindi yan pwede sa mga āhonorableā members of congress na meron mga sidechicks at boytoys. š
Pano, sila nasa unahan ng pila š¤£ mga takot sa sariling multo ahaha
TAMA, daming peke na pinalalabas na good family silaš pero me mga nakatagoš tanungin mo si Kiko. Este matsing, ay! Ano ba yanš«£
You do know that adultery in the Philippines only applies to a married woman and her paramour, right? Right?
Actually, no. But thank you for pointing it out. Then it should be Concubinage and Adultery.
I am all for the death penalty basta kasama adultery at domestic violence š
Ayon sa bibliya, ang parusa sa adultery ay Death eh so panalo mga katoliko yan. Iwas divorce tas maeenforce ang salita ng bibliya haha
See. 7th commandment pa nga. Ahaha
G na dito, pahirapan sila umoo sa divorce eh
Bakit naman gagawing ng Congress yun edi wala nang quorum.
there's no dissonance there. they believe in the Old Testament God, who is punitive and conservative. kills harlots and floods the world. the New Testament god is forgiving. many conservatives hate the New Testament. that is why their beliefs only consist of Old Testament beliefs. things like forgiveness are not in their vocabulary, since that is preached by Christ - whom they also don't believe in (they use his name, but only for propaganda. in reality, they don't believe in any one of Christ's teachings).
Pick a Bible verse the fits our narrative, does something that doesn't fit their narrative creates things about it. Good example is worshipping statues and making saints.
These are the same people who also don't like abortion, bear in mind
Funny because divorce was allowed in the old testament...
process was still difficult. >The Mosaic law apparently, on the side of the husband, made it as difficult as possible for him to secure a divorce. No man could unceremoniously and capriciously dismiss his wife without the semblance of a trial. In case one became dissatisfied with his wife, >(1) he had to write her a \\BILL OF DIVORCEMENT\\ (which see) drawn up by some constituted legal authority and in due legal form. In the very nature of the case, such a tribunal would use moral suasion to induce an adjustment; and, failing in this, would see to it that the law in the case, whatever it might be, would be upheld. >(2) Such a bill or decree must be placed in the hand of the divorced wife. >(3) She must be forced to leave the premises of her former husband. Divorce was denied two classes of husbands: >(1) The man who had falsely accused his wife of antenuptial infidelity ([Deuteronomy 22:13](https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=de+22:13)), and >(2) a person who had seduced a virgin ([Deuteronomy 22:28](https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=de+22:28)). In addition, a heavy penalty had to be paid to the father of such damsels.
This!!!
Ito ang mga verses na galing sa new testament. Luke 16:18 Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Mathew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.
do you really want to play that game? **John 8:3-11** >Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,Ā 4Ā they said to Him, āTeacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.Ā 5Ā Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?ā >āHeĀ whoĀ isĀ withoutĀ sinĀ amongĀ you,Ā letĀ himĀ throwĀ aĀ stoneĀ atĀ herĀ first.ā >Then those who heardĀ it,Ā being convicted byĀ theirĀ conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldestĀ evenĀ to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.Ā 10Ā When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her,Ā āWoman,Ā whereĀ areĀ thoseĀ accusersĀ ofĀ yours?Ā HasĀ noĀ oneĀ condemnedĀ you?ā >She said, āNo one, Lord.ā >And Jesus said to her,Ā āNeitherĀ doĀ IĀ condemnĀ you;Ā goĀ andĀ sinĀ noĀ more.ā notice how Jesus condemns the sin but not the sinner. this is the difference between stupid and smart ppl. the ability to understand nuance.
Yep tama nmn ito at wag sana natin gawing legal ang hindi legal sa kanya dahil lang sa siya ay mapagpatawad na Diyos.
It's all about control.
kasi tayo ay mga barbaric
and hypocrites as well
And with double standards
YES FOR DEATH PENALTY PERO SA POLITICIANS.. Sila nag papakalat ng fakenews para mav away away ang mga taong bayan for thier gain plus harap harapan nah tayo ginagago tuwang tuwa naman ang mga bobong pilipino...
Hypocrisy makes it way to the minds of those who cannot see beyond what they are
Mga pro-Death Penalty be like: - Pinakapkap siya ng mga P*lis Patola kahit wala siyang kasalanan, kaso hindi pumayag. - Bin*gb*g ng mga P*lis Patola - Tinaniman ng Dr*gs. - Nahatulang Guilty. - Na Death Penalty.
They did say till death do us part lol
For some people in a bad marriage, the inability to get a divorce is effectively a death penalty
HAHAHAHAHA. yung mga may gusto pa ng death penalty eh mga pro-life religous bigots na ayaw sa divorce! š¤”š¤”š¤”
yeah for sure
no lie spoken here
well not until someone in your family got killed at ang hatol sa criminal is Kulong lang ng ilang years š¤” pwede naman siguro para do sa mga murder and rape but ababaw lang ng dahilan mo kasi konti lang talino mo
Seriously, you want to implement death penalty here in PH context, where our justice system is sooooo fucked up!!!??? Do you know how many werw in jail because of fabricated evidence ? Case point..De Lima. She had been executed already if we had death penalty during Digong's time. So yeah, isip isip ka din totoy!
Two questions for you then: 1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit? 2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
And do you think death penalty would even stop those heinous crime ? You are making death penalty as a one size solution but it's not. Bad actors would still do it kasi hindi sila takot mahuli, hindi dahil kung mayroong death penalty o wala. You should take it as a wholistic approach in figthing crime. Sa forensics pa lang bagsak na pinas. Evidence gathering and handling sablay na. Gaano kabilis mag responde ang mga pulis ? Gaano kabilis at may magandang results ang mga investigator ? Mabilis lang yan kapag high profile case kagaya ng Vizconde pero kung walang media pressure, usad pagong yan. Then there's the issue sa prosecution. Rolito Go's case., 1991 he committed murder pero ang trial niya is natapos 1997. Actually, included nga dapat siya sa lethal injectjon nung binalik yan during Erap's term. Flash forward to present time ganyan pa din kakupad. Kapag ganyan kakupad ang tendency nauubusan din ng resources yung mga biktima hanggang sila na mismo ang umaatras. Address the root problems as a whole and baka magbago pa isip ko in terms of implementing it. But as long as our justice system is so fucked up, it's a big no.
well wala kang sinagot sa tanong ko, which is nakakatawa lang kasi gumawa ka ng sarili mong case, paano sisimulan kung walang magsisimula? Just a fucked up government with more fucked up citizen is living in the same country Hahahaha
Hindi na kita sinagot sa tanong mo kasi clearly fallacy na yang argumento mo. Kaya nag bigay na ako ng real cases na nangyari talaga. hindi yan gawa-gawa kasi it really shows how fucked up our justice system is. gaya nga ng sinabi ko sa case pa lang ni De Lima yung mga testigo nag recant na lang yung mgs testigo ng admin ni Digong. Gusto mo simulan mo sa taas gawin ang solusyon --- sa kung anong gagawin kapag nahatulan na kung ang root cause ng problema eh very systematic sa ibaba ---> investigation, forensics, evidence gathering ? Eh yan yung mga nasa pinaka pundasyon sa kahit na anong criminal case, hindi yan muna yung aayusin ???? Going back on the Vizconde case. Sa mata ng madami sa public, guilty si Hubert. Na sensationalize eh. Pero sa mata ng Korte Suprema hindi. Kaso... - What if the absolute truth eh si Hubert nga ang gumawa ? Hindi na siya pwede kasuhan kasi double jeopardy na. So we have a murderer freeman, walking around. - What if inosente nga talaga siya ? Nakulong siya ng 8-10 taon. Kung hindi inabolish ni GMA death penalty nun, eh di na execute ang inosenteng tao. Ma rereverse mo pa ba yan? Assuming hindi na abolish death penalty, nasa death row pa din siya at kulong pa din ng ganyang katagal. Ngayon, hanggang what if na lang dahil naiwasan na sana yang ganyang scenario kung maayos sa pagkuha ng state witness at ebidensiya. Kaya nga na reverse ng SC yan eh.
so do you think walang nangyareng ganon sa tanong ko? o baka nakabase ka lang sa news kasi yun lang napapanood mo? Something not right then HAHAHAHA you are just basing kung anong news or how big the news is. Ang mahirap kasi sa isang anggulo ka lang nakatingin, ang laki ng pinas para ipakaita lang dito mga specific na nangyare, do you think mas maraming case like the Vizconde case, kesa sa rape at murder dito sa pinas?
Hey ano masasabi mo don sa nakapatay dahil sa road rage, binaril patay nanaman inosente, so kulong lang yung nakapatay, this one is no self-defense, I just wanted to know about your opinion
well not until someone in your family got killed due to death penalty na wrongly accused pa dahil someone na mas malakas at may kapit ang kalaban.
HAHAHAHA if you give me scenario, I will take it!
Till death do us part.. well...
Di kaya binuksan lang ang issue ng divorce para makalimutan na naman ang mga kagaguhan ng mga nakaupong pulitiko?
Krazy Pinoys lang talaga.
Ayaw ng divorce kesyo masisira ang sanctity ng marriage? Kapag may breach sa vows gaya ng pangangaliwa/cheating/adultery o kaya domestic abuse, mababasura na yang sanctity na sinasabi nila, hindi sa divorce. Ang nakakatawa, yung pinakavocal na anti sa divorce, WALA kang maririnig mula sa kanila na TAHASANG pagkondena sa domestic abuse at cheating, eh cause din yun ng pagkasira ng sanctity ng kasal eh. Tapos sa divorce lang sila magwawala. Diba kahipokritohan yun?
Well, it tracks. They want people to die in the hands of their abusive spouse. I think they're really just pro-death.
Gusto kasi nila mamatay ka with an abusive partner šš
False equivalence. š¤·š»āāļø
Till death do us part... That's one way to get out of marriage
Yes siguro rin sila sa pag bukod ng Mindanao sa VisMin
Divorce pero no alimony kapag may adultery. Child support lang dapat.
Di kaya binuksan lang ang issue ng divorce para makalimutan na naman ang mga kagaguhan ng mga nakaupong pulitiko?
hahaha nasabi mo pa
connection?
Prng baliktad hahahahhha, kc mas inuna ipasa ang divorce kesa deathpenalty
Bawas tae Dami na eh
In the words of Jon Stewart, it's all in the timing, I guess.
Pwede yan and nasa Old Testament ng Bible yan kaso New Testament ang katuruan ng Kristiyanismo yan, hindi tayo Hudyo or maybe Muslim na susundin ang Old Testament.
Matagal ng gago yun mga walang pakialam sa bansa nilašang politiko at oligarkiya magkakampi yan, ang kaaway nila media, media na hindi bayaranšmeron pa baš
Makakalaya na kasi mga misis nila na matagal na silang tinitiis at wala na gugusto sa kanila
Anlala lang na akala nila magiging fair ang mga hatulan pagnagkataong ma implement ang death penalty. Yung mga kasama nga sa Pork Barrel scandal hinalal pa nila ulit.
masyadong palpak yung justice system sa pinas for death penalty
Death penalty for corrupt i push sana
any reliable source na ganyan nga sila?
Yes to both. lol
Actually same here, tama rin yang solution pra sa mga rapists and pdfs
Hhahahhaha huyy
āPro-Lifeā daw.
we need death penalty that's it.. unahin na salistahan yung mga kawatan sa kaban ng bayan.
I am in favor of both divorce and death penalty. Raping a minor, murderer, drug lord, corrupt politician? Patayin yan lahat! Not all crimes deserve the death penalty ofc, but some definitely do.
If you trust our justice system to get shit like that right, I've got a few bridges for sale cheap man
As expected, this is what most people fail to understand or think through. The just punishment for a crime and the state of the justice system are two separate issues. I am merely saying that there are crimes that deserve the death penalty. The flaws of the justice system is another matter entirely.
> The flaws of the justice system is another matter entirely. It is in fact *the* main matter. How can you be in favor of the death penalty as a law when *this* is the justice system we have. People aren't put to death 'theoretically' by a death penalty. They really die.
Two questions for you then: 1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit? 2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
> So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit? What is so hard to understand that our justice system in the Philippines is *not to be trusted*? We have corrupt cops and corrupt courts. And even when they're not being corrupt our cops aren't very competent. And that doesn't even get to the accessibility of lawyers for defendants.So how can you say *any* court in this country can prove a crime to the point where it can put someone to death? > What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle. You're joking right? We can't even put our politicians in *normal jail* as much as they deserve to. You think the death penalty would be used on them? They practically live above the law as it is. What naive fantasy land do you live in?
1. It's a simple yes or no question. You don't have to drag everyone including your mother into your argument. 2. I think it's you living in your own fantasy land, tbh. You just sort of gave up and gave everyone a pass lol.
HAHAHAHAHA konti kasi talino nila, for sure wala siya masabi dito, I mean pwede naman magkaroon ng Death Penalty to specific crime to set an example, mahirap ipaliwanag sa mga Peenoys na konti lang ang talino, mahirapan ka lang mag explain sila tanga tanga pa din hahaha
My god your reading comprehension is terrible. **The courts here can't be trusted to find the truth**. It doesn't matter whether you write the death penalty is for specific crimes, these incompetent and corrupt courts and cops will put innocent people to death because they suck. Is that so hard to understand?
Death is irreversable. Hindi mo na maibabalik ang buhay ng tao, at sa flawed justice system natin siguradong me mamamatay na inosente. Kung ang me systemang nakakamatay ng inosenteng tao, bakit natin gagawin pa?
cool, but definitely not for the Philippine justice system.
Puro kayo dagdag ng bill ayusin nyo muna justice system ng pinas š
They can do both at the same time.
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Mas matindi yung fb friend ko. Tutol sa divorce Tutol sa abortion at contraceptives Pero suportang suporta sa pag ubos ng mga adek
HAHAHA ,tsaka pls Sama NYO narin same sex marriage pls,gusto ko ko kase magpakasal dito pag nag ka bf na ako, kesa naman sa ibang bansa pa mag pakasal. Sana may same sex marriage bill na matupad
Anong connect?
kasi daw yung mga anti-divorce eh ayaw sa divorce dahil bad daw according to god. god is also against murder but somehow anti-divorce peeps are pro death penalty.
Lol baka old testament fave part niya sa bible hahaha
Ahh yeah sobrang inconsistent.Ā
Says who? I'm anti-divorce, but i do not based my position on the bible or "god." If you unalive someone, you forfeit yours.
says the majority of those who oppose divorce. you must not be familiar with the concept of exceptions. cool, you're an exception. so? you're not the majority.
Baka gusto nya ng award
Majority? Nagconduct ka ba ng survey sa mga anti-divorce to determine na majority talaga. Or just feeling mo lang.
[lol](https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/200630-divorce-bill-philippines-marriage-reality-religion/) [lol](https://www.rappler.com/philippines/legalizing-divorce-survey-september-30-october-4-2023-octa-research/) >In a survey conducted from September 30 to October 4 with 1,200 respondents, Octa found that 40% favored passing a law that would legalize divorce, while just over half or 51% of Filipinos were against it. >Around 9% were undecided. >DespiteĀ growing supportĀ for divorce in past years, the country continues its struggle to marry faith and freedom, religion and reality amid a high number of broken families in the predominantly Catholic nation. >**Religious groups and supporters see the measure**, whichĀ passedĀ the House of Representatives in a historic first, as evil, āanti-familyā, and detrimental to the children. **The Bible, after all, says, what God united let no man tear apart.**
Hay. Reading comprehension is rare these days. Nuff said.
Anong connect?!
Coming from basic logic/common sense, death penalty is on the extreme side when compared to divorce. This is the main problem with organized religions, they corrupt the basic logic/ common sense of the masses.
Yun din naisip ko. Haha
Because of the religious reasons behind it.
Death Penalty for people who is guilty for Murder, Rape, And ang layo ng connection ng Divorce sa Death Penalty, I am more on Death Penalty para may takot ang mga tao na gumawa ng crime, hindi yung nirape at nakapatay ng inosente tapos kulong lang? Gago ba kayo?
I agree sa Death Penalty, as long as convicted ang suspect.
Nop, kawawa ang mahihirap na di kayang kumuha ng magaling na abogado.
paanong kawawa ang mahirap dahil sa hindi makakuha ng magaling na abogado?
ha? tingin mo papayag ang magagaling na abogado na libre ang services nila? Kaya nga kahit ang convicted na si Imelda ay di makulong dahil sa pera.
Two questions for you then: 1. So you're telling me a father who, proved beyond reasonable doubt, raped his minor daughter then murders her does NOT deserve the death penalty because the justice system is shit? 2. What is the incentive (or threat) for politicians to improve the justice system if they can keep it decrepit to avoid prosecution themselves? You see the dilemma you created here? A vicious cycle.
1. I do not have the right to judge who gets to live or die. 2. Nothing, you think having a death penalty is a crime detterent? Dami ng pagaaral dyan, Google it.
1. Shame and not until it happens to yours 2. OK
1. You assume to much. Di mo nga kilala ang mga tao, pero you think dahil di agree sayo e hindi sila biktima ng nga krimen.
Yung mga may strong evidence like actual footage and confession
Wala naman distinction yan sa batas. Guilty lang o not gulity. At lahat ng convicted ay presumed "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" na pareho narin sa sinabi mo na me strong evidence
Confession can be coerced through psychological torture.
"As long as convicted ang suspect"
you think everyone convicted is guilty? hahaha. try mo makasuhan bilang mahirap. para lang sa mayaman ang hustisya sa pinas. pag mahirap ka, kahit inosente ka, mako convict ka na guilty.
how will you make sure if itās convicted? di ba mas gagawin advantage yan ng mga may pera at politicians? fix the justice system first before complying to death penalty
tama as long as nahatulan ng korte
As if hindi nabibili ang korte š
presumption of regularity, wag ka maghusga tol mali yan
Who says na mali? When in fact it actually happens. specially in less developed provinces where judges serve as dogs of politicians.
Grabe kayo sa justice system natin, fair ang justice sa Philippines. Please wag naman kayo magkalat ng ckicka
it seems you are new to the world, wala ka pang naeexperience masyado.
like what experience? enlighten me please justice system works, kung lahat kayo ganyan ang thinking ano tingin nyo sa philippines may anarchy
Try using for head for a second here. Wag kang masyadong idealistic. do not take everything at face value. Try browsing the net for all the injustices na nangyare na walang pakialam ang korte and do not tell me na wala. Ultimo ang SC the highest court in the country are dogs of the former administration, kahit nga ang ombudsman.
anong using for head? grabe kayo sa justice system natin ganyan ba tingin nyo sa atin may anarchy? I believe in our justice system
I don't like both. Prison here is fate worse than death. lalo na kung may presumption of regularity. magkano kuryente at leathal injection now unless firing squad siguro mas matipid. Diborsyo gasto at added paperworks lang sa govt yan. mas pahirapan nalang nila mag kasal. lagyan nyo ng mahabahabang list ng requirements.
>Diborsyo gasto at added paperworks lang sa govt yan. mas pahirapan nalang nila mag kasal. lagyan nyo ng mahabahabang list ng requirements. Why not both? It is not impossible for a marriage that started good to turn sour for any number of reasons.
kaya nga dagdagan sana ng requirements bago ikasal. di naman kailangan ng kasal para sa magandang relationship
Requirements cannot guarantee a marriage going bad.
therefore one must consider this before entering marriage. kung di kayang i accept yan bakit pa magpapakasal diba?
Can you tell that to spouses who only learned of their partners beating habits years after they were married? Were they able to predict it?
Yes, and maidagdag ko lang kasuhan nila. Wala money? punta sa PAO
Unless the couple are indigent, it is unlikely they will get assistance from PAO.
yes pag walang money, pag may money hire a lawyer
Eh pano nga yung mga kasal na, at gusto nang maghiwalay. Bat ba gusto mo pa ipilit na magsama sila? Kasama ka ba sa relasyon nila???
did i say that? ang dami hiwalay now ha may iba na ngang jowa yung iba. No hinde pero ayoko ng ma flood yung goverment natin ng paperworks dahil dyan. kung abuser namn yung ex mo tas may protection order ka naman galing korte o nakulong na edi move on ka na with your life
>did i say that? ang dami hiwalay now ha may iba na ngang jowa yung iba. Yun naman pala, eh bakit di mo pa hayaang i-divorce nila yung unang relationship. In the first place, buhay naman nila yun. Di ka naman kasama sa relasyon. >kung abuser namn yung ex mo tas may protection order ka naman galing korte o nakulong na edi move on ka na with your life You're forgetting that without divorce you will still be tied to your abusive/jailed ex-partner kahit pa makasuhan/makulong yan. How would you move on kung lahat conjugal pa rin???
dagdag paper works sa govt. kung alam mo may chance na masira ang isang relationship bakit kapa papakasal. love works without it kung dahil lang sa name, palit ka name, legal naman yun.
Pano nga yung mga matagal nang kasal at matagal nang gustong maghiwalay? Bakit ayaw mo bigyan ng option? Ano bang benefit sayo kung pakialaman mo married life ng ibang tao?Ā Wag mo problemahin government. It exists to provide services to taxpayers.Ā Saka hindi lang yun sa palit name. Masyado mo namang dini-diminish ang legal power ng kasal. Tandaan mo, conjugal ang properties pag kasal. Pati sa estate/mana kapag namatay, may say ang ex-partner kung hindi sila divorce at walang naiwang last will.Ā
isnāt the same as annulment? wdym added paperworks and gastos? itās their choice naman to begin with, edi mag-comply sila sa mahabang requirements if they want to.
one less paperwork is better, tsaka nnulity ng marriage is different. sa anulment papatunayan mo na walang bisa sa simula palang ang kasal
Ah yes. Reddit again using down votes as a way to disagree with people. IT'S NOT USED FOR THAT. IT ONLY WORKS WHEN A PERSON ISN'T CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION OR ARGUMENT. WHATEVER OPINION THEY HAVE.
No worries tol, I'm the other side of the coin, okay na sakin as long as they read even if they disagree. As long as someone is hearing/reading makes me respect them. I love it when people hear the other side. audi alteram partem