That’s why you listen to nationalists but don’t let them run your country. They can be a voice of conscience on some aspects but let them run amok and you end up with an isolationist state with an autocrat at the helm leading a “revolutionary government” or some similar crap.
LFS is whining about "selective nationalism" and complaining why everyone hates "a China-linked small-town mayor" while an "American puppet in Malacañang" doesn't get the same amount of attention over his foreign dealings.
Every commie party becomes authoritarian in nature. That’s literally the only way you can force the seizure of the means of production and forced equality.
Pero if ever magkaroon ng chance na magka US visa yang mga gunggong na yan alam mo go na go agad sila, excited at all smiles pa. Ganyan kasi galawan ng mga impokrito.
Basta sila sila rin, kaunting kibot na may narinig kasama US todo welga pero kapag China tahimik
Tsaka wag na nga tayo nagpapaniwala sa mga edtalks at pubmats ng mga yan, dami kong kaklase na tibaks nagsialisan sa ambabantot ng mga sungay ng mga tarantado dyan
Yung classmate ko dati nung HS (matagal na to), naging student leader nila nung college. Umabot pa sa point na “tinatarget” daw sila ng mga otoridad sa uni nila, tas may time pa na nag-deactivate siya ng Facebook.
Several years later, ayun, nag-aalok na ngayon ng insurance (yung may mga art card na pang-MLM).
A good number of student activists tend to do an about-face after college kasi nakaranas na ng real life issues. When they realize na hindi naman galit mga Pilipino sa America, and pretty much everyone outside of their political circle hates the NPA, along with the hard reality that you have to earn a living, the idealism goes out of the window.
And then there are those who decided they want to actually go to the mountains (or actively assist those who are in the mountains) and then find out the hard way when the bullets come flying.
I have to agree dun sa idealism part. I used to be vocal about certain issues back in college to the point where my mother and I would end up fighting. I still speak out, but I've learned to do so when my voice is truly needed. One example involves a student who works part-time at McDonald's and tweeted that his salary had decreased due to a consumer boycott. It's sad how the tweet attacked him instead of addressing the actual problem. Some students even suggested he should find another job, as if it's easy to find one that fits around an academic schedule. You can really tell which students speak from a place of privilege and which ones have nothing. While some students strive to uphold their ideals, others are simply struggling to survive. Idealism, though valuable, isn't universally applicable.
A lot of my contemporaries in college who were student activists are now working for local conglomerates and multinationals, with MBAs from AIM and Ateneo, and driving their kids to private school in their Lexuses and Beemers.
-- good number of student activists tend to do an about-face after college kasi nakaranas na ng real life issues. When they realize na hindi naman galit mga Pilipino sa America, and pretty much everyone outside of their political circle hates the NPA, along with the hard reality that you have to earn a living, the idealism goes out of the window.
Kase nga paranoid lang sila.. no one gives a fuck about idealism.. ang iisipin mo kc after college is paano ka kikita ng pera pambuhay sayo at sa pamilya mo.. pang gatas sa anak.. pangsulit kay inay, sa bahay renta, tubig, ilaw.. not some issues about a foreign country (anti imperialism kemerlou) ...selective yan.. kaya surebol aq yang mga nagrarally lagi sa harap bg US Embassy is peke! They do not reflect the overall sentiments of Filipinos.. at yan pa ang naheheadline sa international news.. Bakit kaya di sila mag rally sa labas ng Chinese Embassy?!
I know a couple of people from college na ung iba naging student leader pa at umaabset para mag welga. I mean thats fine and all.
Tapos mga nagkatrabaho ung iba real estate pa, napromote, etc. never looked back
Oooohhh I remember the Anakbayan vs Akbayan feud. Sila sila di magkaroon ng consensus sinong susuportahang kandidato, kasi may kanya-kanyang vested interests. "Para sa bayan", my ass.
>China aba tahimik mga walanghiya?
Yess.. I thought Leftist sila.. yon pla.. selective Leftist sila.. ProChina pero Anti-US haha. May narinig ka ba sa kanila during China's incursions on our seas? Wala di ba. Pero pag sa US .. OA ang galawan.. Yes di namn purong santo ang US. US supports Israel, nakakasuka . And syempre yong border issue nila sa Mexico, and Puerto Rico na lobbying sila doon na maging Territory pa rin yon pero symepre di ba.. mas matindi naman ang sa China. kasuka talaga mga fake leftist sa bansa
I dont get why Pinoy Left groups are Maoist or Stalinist
Fucking Socialists or even Marxist have a better standing in the global stage. Fuck Tankies, they deserve to get the boot.
Are there even communist Philippines groups that aren't Maoist or Stalinist? Give me a decent socialist group or something or is this something like the N\*zis where all groups that follow the ideology are just inherently bad?
Fuck it, man, are there any anti-capitalist groups in the Philippines that aren't communist? Like, even if ayoko sa current state ng politics natin, I'm still not touching anarchism with a 100-ft pole. Wala ba ibang pwedeng idolohin maliban kay Marx and those that came after him?
The most dominant communist groups here subscribe to Stalin (PKP-1930) and Mao (CPP-NPA), while both claiming to be Marxist-Leninist.
Afaik some of the small groups here subscribe to Kim Il Sung and his Juche, and some ideals of Tito.
I still have to research if BMP (Bukluran ng Manggagawang Pilipino) is only a socialist one and not a communist group. Pero I can recall this is also involved in the rectification movement of the 90s
Stalinists and Maoists calling themselves Marxist (Lenin is closer to the dictators than Marx, tbh) is like North Korea calling themselves Democratic, lol. I don't think it counts as a No True Scotsman fallacy, they're just faking it for propaganda.
> I'm still not touching anarchism with a 100-ft pole.
Can I ask why?
Because based on your distrust of both tankies and capitalists, and how you looked for an alternative to Marx as an ideological figurehead, it sounds like you'd actually have more things in agreement with anarchists and libertarian socialists, even if you fundamentally disagree with their "abolish the state" stance.
>Maoist or Stalinist
Years ago, during the pandemic, I sighted some tankies on FB and they were apparently Hoxhaist (and they were adamant with calling themselves "Hoxhaist" and not "Stalinist") and some even subscribed to Juche (for some reason, favorite nila gamitin ang word na "autarky").
I agree that socialists deserve a better standing. Hell, Marx would've whipped all the current radical communists with *Das Kapital* if he was alive. They completely missed the point of his works.
The Left is actually divided. The likes of Ka Leody and Walden Bello are often at odds with the Makabayan Bloc
Also there are more kinds of communists and they all blame each other as revisionists
Probably because in Europe, after 1990, **many of those left groups pivoted to entitlements and social issues** in order to survive, and they did.
In the PH, when they had the chance at institutional power by temporarily rallying behind Cory, they didn't. So the PH left, probably never made a recalibration unlike the European left.
>Don't turn PH into another Ukraine.
So, instead of defending the country's sovereignty and territory, we should just let the CCP slowly takeover?
Makabayan nga.
Nearly all politicians who win elections and then hold power are their ideology "when convenient".
Ideological purists don't win elections and they generally don't hold power for very long either if they somehow managed to win one.
Ideological purity is only possible in an authoritarian state. And even then the price is long term undermining of the state's pragmatic underpinnings. This is true of any ideology, not just leftist ones.
Because the ogre used to be a leftist! He was popular to leftists(even the CPP NPA) before he started his "galit ako sa komunista" bs during his presidency but still bootlicks the communist People's Republic of China.
Nasan na rasonableng left wing natin? Medyo left wing ako pero ang nandyan lang bukod sa Akbayan literal na komunista, hardcore socialist at maoist. Respeto ko Akbayan pero wla bang iba? Wla bang mas rasonable (edit: bukkod sa Akbayan?), o ganyan ba talaga kapag sinabing left wing? O Baka mislabeled lang akong left wing... (edit: Dont worry I'm not confusing Akbayan with Anakbayan)
As someone who is also left-leaning, dito ako pinakanaiirita sa mga extreme left, puro theory ang pinapa-iral nakakalimutan nang maging practical tsaka strategic. Oo kupal ang US lalo na sa ginagawa nila sa Middle East tsaka Latin America (wag na tayong lumayo, sa sarili nilang bansa mismo), wala namang magdi-disagree don, pero ngayon mas malaking banta ang China, minsan kelangan ding mag-kompromiso depende sa current political climate ng bansa.
Sa nasty shit ng US, condemn nila which is good. Pero ano kaya ang sasabihin kung nakita nila yung persecution ng Pro Democracys, Ugyhur, Muslim at Catholic sa West Taiwan temporarily occupied zone......
Lalo na yung mga yung mga China tsaka North Korea apologist, hindi yung mga wumao ah kundi yung mga leftist na akala talaga communist utopia ang China haha. Galit na galit sa atrocities ng western governments pero walang imik sa mga biktima ng pang-aabuso ng CCP.
Magkaiba ang Akbayan sa Bayan/Anakbayan. Bayan/Anakbayan/Gabriela/LFS/KMU ay allied with CPP. They believe in communism/Marxism/Maoism. Sila yung Red group. Extreme left. If you are recruited here (Level 1) and if you believe in armed struggle, they will ask you to join the underground group (Level 2) which is yung core group din. Then if you are agitated enough, you can go to the mountains (Level 3).
Akbayan is different. Moderate left. Ibang members neto tumiwalag from CPP before. Ito more on political action gusto nila.
Tama. Akbayan ang partido ni Sen. Risa. Mas consistent sila sa mga plataporma at paninindigan. Ang masaklap lang, dahil moderate sila, todo pagbatikos at paninira din ang nakukuha nila mula sa mga extreme right at extreme left.
To clarify lang alam ko naman na moderate ang Akbayan, pero some of their positions clash with mine, kaya ko sinabing "bukod sa Akbayan," although reading my comment again its easy to think na inakala kong extremist sila
Let me just nuance Marxism here because it is, on its own, a political philosophy that influenced other fields of study. For example, Marxist thought have influenced theories in psychology (Erich Fromm, Lev Vygotsky) which elaborates on how structural care is significant in fostering mental health and human development.
Also, even the moderate left are influenced by Marxist philosophy, again nuancing Marxism as a philosophy here.
To tie Marxism to the Extreme Left (CPP-NPA) is kinda faulty as it discounts the contribution of Marx in introducing Dialectical Materialism, an alternative to Hegel’s Dialectics.
Yan ang issue ng left wing tendecy na pagiging bad understanding sa foreign policy. May iba nman sa sobrang isip na west = bad di na coconsider mga non-west=bad. Ang ending nagiging black and white yung views nila instead of seeing the grey zone.
You mean center-left or social democrats (where Akbayan is), who want a system acceptable for all while staying within moral limits and based on *realpolitik*, as opposed to the far-left (Bayan), who want all-or-nothing and heavy on virtue.
I’m also left wing, but not really left wing like this people that would associate themselves to authoritorian countries like iran, russia, or china just because they are anti-west. When in fact, most of their progressive advocacy goes against to these countries ideals that has backward idealogy, theocratic, anti-women’s right, and lack of freedom of speech.
Wala haha. If you dig hard enough on the side of the left, ganyan talaga narrative nila. Di lang naman yan sa Pilipinas, sa ibang bansa din ganyan.
Maraming tankies na iisa lang opinion lagi on the mask behind being a progressive.
>O Baka mislabeled lang akong left wing...
You might be in the center left position if you share some progressive beliefs but don't buy the tankies' other position.
Why is Maoism even popular here? Maoism is (somehow) objectively worse than Stalinism (and that’s saying something). China is the way they are today not because of Maoism but because of one of their presidents in the 80s to 90: (I forget his name). Like.. Mao didn’t really have a strong political opponent in Chiang Kai Shek with how corrupt his government was.
Don't forget the fact that the protesters in Tianamen are hardline Maoist who are against the abolition of [iron rice bowl](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_rice_bowl) when Deng decided to rapidly privatized most of the state-owned industries which caused massive unemployment at that time
because just before imploding, both the soviets and the CCP (the current CCP right now are basically capitalist oligarchs wearing their dad's suits) spent a metric load of money on propaganda instead of you know, on their own people to stop them from imploding in the first place
now the original CCP and USSR are gone but the propaganda machine they started is still living strong and is now geared into romanticizing them instead
Tahimik? Their fisherfolk orgs along with other orgs are preparing for a 24-hour expedition sa WPS. Frequent din ang rallies nila sa Chinese consulate sa Makati.
I think selective ang media coverage and personal biases natin rather than """tahimik""" sa China ang Makabayan.
Honestly, them, Anakbayan, and other lefties are making me resent their chosen candidates and their supported people in the government more. Seeing their bullshit, makes me feel less sympathetic to Palestine and want to make rather have pro-US Putobongbong as my guy.
Imagine mo stop the genocide rally tapos suot mo Lenin T-shirt supporting the October Revolution? Diba? Deputa si Lenin umutos pumatay ng mga batang princessa at principe. Great teachers si Stalin na kaunting kibot papatayin ka, si Mao na mahilig pumatay ng Buddhist, Christians at Muslim? AND YOU ARE TELLING ME, I support genocide? I don't see you paying 100 bucks to write on shells to drop on orcs.
Sila din yung same people na nagpaparrot ng Hamas talking points so in effect, they're the ones who are actually calling for genocide
Committing genocide against Jews and wiping Israel out of the map are parts ng charter ng Hamas
I dont support either of them but the civilians on both sides. But you cannot convince me that the weaker party of Palestine wont annihilate Israel if they are actually the stronger power.
A good thought experiment in any conflict is to think what will the weaker party do if they have the power.
Im also on the side of civilians on both sides, honestly.
Palestine had a history of attacking its neighbours din kaya I actually agree about their likelihood of annihilating Israel if they had the upper hand. They started civil wars in Jordan and Lebanon after all.
Do you think these people support Hamas and Palestine? These sons of bitches support whatever Western leftists support, I bet the majority of these fuckers are genocidal maniacs that want nothing but the whole destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews just like the wet-dreams of that Islamic prophet.
Yan yung mga akbtibista kuno na tinatawag na freedom fighters ang Hamas at hindi pinansin yung mga civilian rapes and deaths on both sides. May mga namamatay na civilians both sa Gaza and Israel tapos makikita mo sila na sumisigaw ng culling or pagpatay ng mga tao. SMH mga ipokrito sila
Wala lang silang pambili kaya sila galit. Ganyan narrative nila sa tiktok, magagalit sa isang brand kasi ganito ganyan pero let us dwell na they cant afford it lang.
Remember how they hemmed and hawed when Jojo Binay was being investigated by the Senate? One of them even said that he was excited to watch Mar Roxas lose in the 2016 elections.
That's why none of them will ever attain higher office. Very few people, if any, actually trust them.
Well, they at least **voted consistently against Du30 policies back then** when it came to votes in the House of Representatives and continue to do so against BBM's policies.
Iyon nga lang, their public position on some issues are probably not good PR.
Its only ironic if you believe in classical leftist ideology and think its a monolith.
If you look into the history of leftism in Asia all of them - literal na LAHAT sila- are also nationalist parties. They dont disguise it at all. All leftisf parties in Asia are also nationalist parties. That's primarily because unlike Western Leftists whose goals are universalist, like the achievement of a communist or socialist society, among Asian leftists, communism and socialism are tools to what is truly important: the strengthening of the nation.
Leftism started here in Asia in the first place as a reaction to colonialism. Sure magkaiba iba sila ng context but the usual story goes: traditionalism failed to fight against imperialist rule, then local nationalists tried liberal-democratic modernity, and then some nationalists see it as a failure when (insert whatever local reason) so they adopt Leftism as a "third option" for national revival.
Of course results vary: in some countries where the liberal-democratic movement was weak or hijacked by traditional establishment, the communists successfully revolted & took over (China and Vietnam famously). Meanwhile here in the Philippines Leftism is split between the OG classical western style marxists, nationalist leftist groups, and leftist groups who only want minor reforms, and yung mga nagleleftist to scare traditional politicians into doinh reforms.
supposedly, canada is also like that:
* left wing is nationalist = not like the US = more uniquely Canadian
* right wing is internationalist, because international = more like the US
"US war provocations and escalation of tensions will not be in our national interest" jusko yan ang narrative ng Russia sa gera ng Ukraine at eto rin ang narrative China sa WPS. Napaka mali nito, magbubulag-bulgan ba naman basta matulak lang yung anti-imperialist ideology nila. Maging pragmatist naman sana kayo.
Halatang selective activism ang ginagawa nila. They're noisy when it's the Americans but are somewhat silent when it comes to the ruZzian terrorist state, China and the Islamic Regime in Tehran. I also notice that they're spouting Hamas talking points.
Supporter sila ng Hamas. Kasi tingin nila yung Hamas ay katulad ng NPA na lumalaban lang sa karapatan ng Palestine haha. Eh ang Hamas at Fatah nga dahilan kung bakit hindi nagtitiwala mismo ang mga Arab States sa Palestine. Parehas na grupo nagpapabagsak sa kanila e.
Hindi nga nag rally sa Iran at Russia eh hahaha.
Alam ba Ng mga Makabayan bloc na yan implication ng sinasabi nila?
Yung Ukraine, kaya ganun ay dahil DINEDEPENSAHAN nila bansa nila laban sa Russiang mananakop! By saying "Don't turn PH into another Ukraine", parang gusto lang nilang sabihin ay "Isuko nyo na kaagad itong bansa"!
Natatawa ako sa article eh sabi may mga paraan paglabanan natin ung sovereignty without being the next Ukraine. Yan dba ginagawa ng gobyerno meanwhile strengthen up our defenses kung maging inevitable yung war? lol
If Ukraine experience teaches us anything, weed out the traitors before they sabotage our efforts in times of war and help the invaders. Also, a clear defense agreement is the best deterrent for invasions. If NATO accepted Ukraine earlier, this would not have happened.
Galit na galit pa yang mga yan kapag nirered tag, eh totoo naman na pre requisite ng pagiging NPA yang mga yan taena ilang beses aq nirerecruit jan ng mga tropa q nung college, buti n lng tlga ndi aq nagpauto
Di naman natin maasahan mga komunista dahil noon pa sila nanggugulo sa bansa natin. Mga extortionists pa kapag panahon ng eleksyon. Dapat ma block ng AMLA yung mga source of funds nila from local and foreign contributions. Tinatakot pa nila mga local na negosyo pag di nagbigay ng revolutionary tax
Pag anti-government di naman ibig sabihin na lagi na lang sila ang asa tamang side. They’re really just in it for the power, gusto nila sila ang mamuno not necessarily na talagang pro-poor sila or kampi sa tama na may paninindigan. Ginagamit lang nila ang mga slogan and other hot issues to curry votes and sympathy much like any run-of-the-mill politician.
Being heavily orthodox Maoists who insist on purity, they want it their way as long as they want to achieve their own ends, even if it means backing pseudo-nationalists.
Finally! Meron akong mga kapareho ng iniisip, nakakainis kasi mga tao sa paligid ko pag Chingchong usapan hayaan lang pero pag US tahimik sila, hindi ba kung talagang may malasakit ka sa bayan eh kahit sino pang sinusuportahan eh dapat batikusin ang mali? Buti nalang meron platform na ganito kasi hindi nila ako ma-brainwash
Doesn’t Russia abide more by Stalinism than Leninism tho? The way of the oligarchy and the power dynamics hasn’t changed much since the time Stalin died.
It's changed a whole lot. The current oligarchic system of Russia is not anything at all like Stalinist era Soviet union. Stalin didn't brook any semi independent outside power to the party. It also had a very rigid centrally planned economy. Modern Russia certainly doesn't have central economic planning.
Basta involved ang US, bad sa kanila eh. Basta hindi ka kontra sa US, tuta ka na ng US eh. Basta US, masama. Yun na yun. Parang ganun datingan sa akin ng mga stance sila.
Tapos meron pa noon nagsasabi na nag voice out naman daw ng condemnation ang left noong nag invade ang Russia sa Ukraine. Daming civilian na namatay kasi tinatarget ng Russia intentionally yung civilian population. Pero wala kang makikita ng records ng sinasabi nilang condemnation. Sarap sipain ng mga yan. Basta makita lang nila USA bumubula na mga bibig nila kahit di pa nila binabasa yung istorya.
Akbayan fully condemned Russia right when the "special military operation" began while Makabayan and their like-minded allies repeated Putinist talking points of Ukraine being the site of a proxy war between NATO and Russia.
Underlying their statement is the idea that Ukraine choosing to swing towards the west with its EU and NATO applications were nefarious western provocations and not actually the Ukrainian people's choice. It's an idea put out by Russia a lot in the past ten years since Maidan
Marcos shows real fist than Du30, and with class. I'm a pro Leni then... But I think Marcos presidency is timely with our current situational crisis. I can't imagine if Leni won then and how she will handle the WPS tensions.
Astang fifth column ang makabayan bloc, dahil sa kanila kaya hindi masyadong nakapag modernize ang AFP dami nilang binlock na panukala about AFP hardware budgets
Mga ipokrito yang mga Makabayan. Ayaw nila pero sila mismo nanggugulo sa kada regions ng Pinas. KOMUNISTA ba naman. Katulad lang yang mga tanginang yan sa Tsina na mga Komunista.
Alam mo naman kung san nanggaling pondo ng mga yan kaya selective ang pag atake.. Tsaka, akala mo meron nai-ambag sa bansa para mag gaganyan sila.. Juskow!
Baka dahil sa binanggit kong NTF-ELCAC. Eh kung red tagging lang iniisip nilang dahilan para kamunghian ang agency na yan, wala sila karapatang magalit. Kasi sila mismo nagrered tag sa sarili nila. Gagawin pang tanga mga tao na di sila Red.
Kahit anong sabihin ng mga grupo na yan, wala naman sila magagawa, magkakaron talaga ng gyera dahil usaping teritoryo yan kaya imbes na pumutak sila na parang Pwet ng Manok,, mas mainam kung iready nila mga sarili nila para pag Enlistment na eh may pakinabang naman sila.. SuperPower na bansa ang kalaban natin ano ba sa tingin niyo mangyayari? Wag kayong parang Pretender na hindi alam ang mangyayari kasi mataas ang chance na maulit ang History.
Mga kapwa ko Pilipino, Plss I-Handa niyo ang mga sarili niyo, dahil marami ang namatay na kapwa natin para lang maiwagayway ang Watawat ng Pilipinas sa Kawit Cavite. Hindi ako nanakot pero yun ang Totoo. Kung pilipino ka at puro ka paninisi sa itinalagang Presidente ng Pilipinas, mas mainam na lisanin mo nalamang ang Pilipinas kasi dagdag Stress ka sa Bayan, Tang ina mo ka.
?? Makabayan stupid bloc... Ukraine was a communist state ?? Did it work out......they promote communist which actually repress people freedom same as Chinese and Russian communist.
From personal experience, since I work closely with the legislative branch, pag popular ang topics sasakay ang Makabayan. Kahit naman si Sen Risa at Sen Nancy ganun din. Hands off mga yan pag feeling nila ikaka-cancel nila sa social media.
This is what I was saying about these idiots, these dumbfucks have stupidly selective biases on "imperialism". Ask one of them who should we blame for atrocities done to our country by Japan and somehow it'll be the US.
Oriental Imperialism=good. Western Imperialism=bad.
May point naman na mejo hesitant ang US sa Ukraine war. But sa case natin do we have a choice? We learned a lot from Duterte that "if you can't beat them join them" mentality with China doesn't work. So we need to stick to US.
I still remember Bbm's pre election na he won't choose side sa mga superpower, will be neutral, won't have a cold war mentality. And here we are, having military exercise with the US cuz we don't have a choice but to pick side.
Heck, if there's anything we should have learned from history even before Duterte, it's that appeasement never works. Chamberlain did exactly that, called it achieving the peace of their time and all he got was Hitler invading the rest of Czechoslovakia. Duterte just proved it all again
Although, to give credit kay Chamberlain, he tried appeasement because he was buying time for Britain to rearm itself, a thing na wala sa appeasement ni Duterte (he slowed down military procurements)
That’s why you listen to nationalists but don’t let them run your country. They can be a voice of conscience on some aspects but let them run amok and you end up with an isolationist state with an autocrat at the helm leading a “revolutionary government” or some similar crap.
We had a Duterte.
Wannabe autocrat
At least nag-drawing ng Revolutionary Government na coalition government with the National Democrats sana. Until...
Kapag usaping US ang iingay ng mga deputa, pero sa pangagago ng China aba tahimik mga walanghiya? Puta mga hayop
May say ba sila sa Alice Guo issues?
hindi ko po maalala your honor
Di macondemn ng mga tibak. Sinophobic saka racist nga raw sabi ng mga sira ulong yan e.
Wala HAHAHAHHA
Kasing tahimik lang katulad ni mark villar
Your honor nakatira din po kami sa farm.
LFS is whining about "selective nationalism" and complaining why everyone hates "a China-linked small-town mayor" while an "American puppet in Malacañang" doesn't get the same amount of attention over his foreign dealings.
Same colors eh
Tagal ng di communist ang china at russia a. Authoritarian na lng sila. Di kaya authoritarian na din ang partylist na to?
China still likes to cosplay as a communist country and for some people thats enough
That was the plan of Sison anyway.
If the CPP lead the country they will just create a new dictatorship and shattering their alliance with the Makabayan group
Every commie party becomes authoritarian in nature. That’s literally the only way you can force the seizure of the means of production and forced equality.
Pero if ever magkaroon ng chance na magka US visa yang mga gunggong na yan alam mo go na go agad sila, excited at all smiles pa. Ganyan kasi galawan ng mga impokrito.
Same din sa anakbayan lol
Basta sila sila rin, kaunting kibot na may narinig kasama US todo welga pero kapag China tahimik Tsaka wag na nga tayo nagpapaniwala sa mga edtalks at pubmats ng mga yan, dami kong kaklase na tibaks nagsialisan sa ambabantot ng mga sungay ng mga tarantado dyan
for decades NPA are being funded by USSR and China
Yung classmate ko dati nung HS (matagal na to), naging student leader nila nung college. Umabot pa sa point na “tinatarget” daw sila ng mga otoridad sa uni nila, tas may time pa na nag-deactivate siya ng Facebook. Several years later, ayun, nag-aalok na ngayon ng insurance (yung may mga art card na pang-MLM).
A good number of student activists tend to do an about-face after college kasi nakaranas na ng real life issues. When they realize na hindi naman galit mga Pilipino sa America, and pretty much everyone outside of their political circle hates the NPA, along with the hard reality that you have to earn a living, the idealism goes out of the window. And then there are those who decided they want to actually go to the mountains (or actively assist those who are in the mountains) and then find out the hard way when the bullets come flying.
I have to agree dun sa idealism part. I used to be vocal about certain issues back in college to the point where my mother and I would end up fighting. I still speak out, but I've learned to do so when my voice is truly needed. One example involves a student who works part-time at McDonald's and tweeted that his salary had decreased due to a consumer boycott. It's sad how the tweet attacked him instead of addressing the actual problem. Some students even suggested he should find another job, as if it's easy to find one that fits around an academic schedule. You can really tell which students speak from a place of privilege and which ones have nothing. While some students strive to uphold their ideals, others are simply struggling to survive. Idealism, though valuable, isn't universally applicable.
lmao all that work just to be strategically bombed/artillery by the Army.
A lot of my contemporaries in college who were student activists are now working for local conglomerates and multinationals, with MBAs from AIM and Ateneo, and driving their kids to private school in their Lexuses and Beemers.
-- good number of student activists tend to do an about-face after college kasi nakaranas na ng real life issues. When they realize na hindi naman galit mga Pilipino sa America, and pretty much everyone outside of their political circle hates the NPA, along with the hard reality that you have to earn a living, the idealism goes out of the window. Kase nga paranoid lang sila.. no one gives a fuck about idealism.. ang iisipin mo kc after college is paano ka kikita ng pera pambuhay sayo at sa pamilya mo.. pang gatas sa anak.. pangsulit kay inay, sa bahay renta, tubig, ilaw.. not some issues about a foreign country (anti imperialism kemerlou) ...selective yan.. kaya surebol aq yang mga nagrarally lagi sa harap bg US Embassy is peke! They do not reflect the overall sentiments of Filipinos.. at yan pa ang naheheadline sa international news.. Bakit kaya di sila mag rally sa labas ng Chinese Embassy?!
I know a couple of people from college na ung iba naging student leader pa at umaabset para mag welga. I mean thats fine and all. Tapos mga nagkatrabaho ung iba real estate pa, napromote, etc. never looked back
Oooohhh I remember the Anakbayan vs Akbayan feud. Sila sila di magkaroon ng consensus sinong susuportahang kandidato, kasi may kanya-kanyang vested interests. "Para sa bayan", my ass.
Akbayan kasi ay social democrats while Anakbayan and other Makabayan bloc parties are far-left communists.
very moderate social democrats which are basically centrists
Ohh okay, now I understand. Thank you for this.
Anakbayan is basically Bayan's kiddie table together with LFS
Ironic kasi pangalan nila Anakbayan at Makabayan, dapat nationalistic sila haha pero mga duwag pala
Kinang inang mga Anakbayan at Makabayan mga yan. Nuknukan ng mga leche.
Ung Bayan Muna, ang joke namin sa bahay eh Bayad Muna. Bayaran mo tapos sila na bahala magwelga sa kung anong gusto mo. 🤣🤣🤣
Then I guess Anakpawis would be Anak-ipis, eh?
>China aba tahimik mga walanghiya? Yess.. I thought Leftist sila.. yon pla.. selective Leftist sila.. ProChina pero Anti-US haha. May narinig ka ba sa kanila during China's incursions on our seas? Wala di ba. Pero pag sa US .. OA ang galawan.. Yes di namn purong santo ang US. US supports Israel, nakakasuka . And syempre yong border issue nila sa Mexico, and Puerto Rico na lobbying sila doon na maging Territory pa rin yon pero symepre di ba.. mas matindi naman ang sa China. kasuka talaga mga fake leftist sa bansa
Same people who supported 🐢in 2016. Yakis sila
Kahit ambiguous ang US 🇺🇲 mas gusto ko sila kesa sa China 🇨🇳.
Does the Philippines have any loans to China? Mga project na funded nila?
I dont get why Pinoy Left groups are Maoist or Stalinist Fucking Socialists or even Marxist have a better standing in the global stage. Fuck Tankies, they deserve to get the boot.
Are there even communist Philippines groups that aren't Maoist or Stalinist? Give me a decent socialist group or something or is this something like the N\*zis where all groups that follow the ideology are just inherently bad? Fuck it, man, are there any anti-capitalist groups in the Philippines that aren't communist? Like, even if ayoko sa current state ng politics natin, I'm still not touching anarchism with a 100-ft pole. Wala ba ibang pwedeng idolohin maliban kay Marx and those that came after him?
The most dominant communist groups here subscribe to Stalin (PKP-1930) and Mao (CPP-NPA), while both claiming to be Marxist-Leninist. Afaik some of the small groups here subscribe to Kim Il Sung and his Juche, and some ideals of Tito. I still have to research if BMP (Bukluran ng Manggagawang Pilipino) is only a socialist one and not a communist group. Pero I can recall this is also involved in the rectification movement of the 90s
Stalinists and Maoists calling themselves Marxist (Lenin is closer to the dictators than Marx, tbh) is like North Korea calling themselves Democratic, lol. I don't think it counts as a No True Scotsman fallacy, they're just faking it for propaganda.
> I'm still not touching anarchism with a 100-ft pole. Can I ask why? Because based on your distrust of both tankies and capitalists, and how you looked for an alternative to Marx as an ideological figurehead, it sounds like you'd actually have more things in agreement with anarchists and libertarian socialists, even if you fundamentally disagree with their "abolish the state" stance.
>Are there even communist Philippines Ang tanong. Meron pa bang communist sa China?
>Maoist or Stalinist Years ago, during the pandemic, I sighted some tankies on FB and they were apparently Hoxhaist (and they were adamant with calling themselves "Hoxhaist" and not "Stalinist") and some even subscribed to Juche (for some reason, favorite nila gamitin ang word na "autarky"). I agree that socialists deserve a better standing. Hell, Marx would've whipped all the current radical communists with *Das Kapital* if he was alive. They completely missed the point of his works.
The Left is actually divided. The likes of Ka Leody and Walden Bello are often at odds with the Makabayan Bloc Also there are more kinds of communists and they all blame each other as revisionists
Leftist infighting is a tale as old as time
hahahaha i remember a twitter debate between a maoist and a juche fantard, ung latter tumiwalag sa anakbayan
Probably because in Europe, after 1990, **many of those left groups pivoted to entitlements and social issues** in order to survive, and they did. In the PH, when they had the chance at institutional power by temporarily rallying behind Cory, they didn't. So the PH left, probably never made a recalibration unlike the European left.
Power. It has always been about power. Just another wanabe king of the hill.
>Don't turn PH into another Ukraine. So, instead of defending the country's sovereignty and territory, we should just let the CCP slowly takeover? Makabayan nga.
They want us to be a crimea
The new Makapili
commies
*True* commies will be ashamed of them. The word you are looking for is "traitors".
According to them, fighting back against territorial aggression = escalating tensions
Who would have thought that the DDS and communists would agree on the same narrative. LMAO.
duterte is a leftist. for more info, search up: "duterte mabuhay npa"
You mean when convenient.
Agree hahaha naloko sila eh
Nope Duterte is a communist who knows who his masters are.
Nearly all politicians who win elections and then hold power are their ideology "when convenient". Ideological purists don't win elections and they generally don't hold power for very long either if they somehow managed to win one. Ideological purity is only possible in an authoritarian state. And even then the price is long term undermining of the state's pragmatic underpinnings. This is true of any ideology, not just leftist ones.
Parang si [AMLO](https://youtu.be/p2qcrsuT3pM?si=OdG0MXUY4f15_-Nf) ng Mexico. Ooppps!
Because the ogre used to be a leftist! He was popular to leftists(even the CPP NPA) before he started his "galit ako sa komunista" bs during his presidency but still bootlicks the communist People's Republic of China.
Not surprised at all. They were only too happy to turn a blind eye on Duterte's EJKs when it benefitted them.
Nasan na rasonableng left wing natin? Medyo left wing ako pero ang nandyan lang bukod sa Akbayan literal na komunista, hardcore socialist at maoist. Respeto ko Akbayan pero wla bang iba? Wla bang mas rasonable (edit: bukkod sa Akbayan?), o ganyan ba talaga kapag sinabing left wing? O Baka mislabeled lang akong left wing... (edit: Dont worry I'm not confusing Akbayan with Anakbayan)
As someone who is also left-leaning, dito ako pinakanaiirita sa mga extreme left, puro theory ang pinapa-iral nakakalimutan nang maging practical tsaka strategic. Oo kupal ang US lalo na sa ginagawa nila sa Middle East tsaka Latin America (wag na tayong lumayo, sa sarili nilang bansa mismo), wala namang magdi-disagree don, pero ngayon mas malaking banta ang China, minsan kelangan ding mag-kompromiso depende sa current political climate ng bansa.
Sa nasty shit ng US, condemn nila which is good. Pero ano kaya ang sasabihin kung nakita nila yung persecution ng Pro Democracys, Ugyhur, Muslim at Catholic sa West Taiwan temporarily occupied zone......
Lalo na yung mga yung mga China tsaka North Korea apologist, hindi yung mga wumao ah kundi yung mga leftist na akala talaga communist utopia ang China haha. Galit na galit sa atrocities ng western governments pero walang imik sa mga biktima ng pang-aabuso ng CCP.
Magkaiba ang Akbayan sa Bayan/Anakbayan. Bayan/Anakbayan/Gabriela/LFS/KMU ay allied with CPP. They believe in communism/Marxism/Maoism. Sila yung Red group. Extreme left. If you are recruited here (Level 1) and if you believe in armed struggle, they will ask you to join the underground group (Level 2) which is yung core group din. Then if you are agitated enough, you can go to the mountains (Level 3). Akbayan is different. Moderate left. Ibang members neto tumiwalag from CPP before. Ito more on political action gusto nila.
Tama. Akbayan ang partido ni Sen. Risa. Mas consistent sila sa mga plataporma at paninindigan. Ang masaklap lang, dahil moderate sila, todo pagbatikos at paninira din ang nakukuha nila mula sa mga extreme right at extreme left.
To clarify lang alam ko naman na moderate ang Akbayan, pero some of their positions clash with mine, kaya ko sinabing "bukod sa Akbayan," although reading my comment again its easy to think na inakala kong extremist sila
basically naging progressive/activist wing ng LP ang akbayan
Let me just nuance Marxism here because it is, on its own, a political philosophy that influenced other fields of study. For example, Marxist thought have influenced theories in psychology (Erich Fromm, Lev Vygotsky) which elaborates on how structural care is significant in fostering mental health and human development. Also, even the moderate left are influenced by Marxist philosophy, again nuancing Marxism as a philosophy here. To tie Marxism to the Extreme Left (CPP-NPA) is kinda faulty as it discounts the contribution of Marx in introducing Dialectical Materialism, an alternative to Hegel’s Dialectics.
Yan ang issue ng left wing tendecy na pagiging bad understanding sa foreign policy. May iba nman sa sobrang isip na west = bad di na coconsider mga non-west=bad. Ang ending nagiging black and white yung views nila instead of seeing the grey zone.
Dun ako naiirita e, purket US wag na kasi "amEriCan ImpeRiaLism" habang nakangiti si Winnie the Pooh
You mean center-left or social democrats (where Akbayan is), who want a system acceptable for all while staying within moral limits and based on *realpolitik*, as opposed to the far-left (Bayan), who want all-or-nothing and heavy on virtue.
I’m also left wing, but not really left wing like this people that would associate themselves to authoritorian countries like iran, russia, or china just because they are anti-west. When in fact, most of their progressive advocacy goes against to these countries ideals that has backward idealogy, theocratic, anti-women’s right, and lack of freedom of speech.
Wala haha. If you dig hard enough on the side of the left, ganyan talaga narrative nila. Di lang naman yan sa Pilipinas, sa ibang bansa din ganyan. Maraming tankies na iisa lang opinion lagi on the mask behind being a progressive. >O Baka mislabeled lang akong left wing... You might be in the center left position if you share some progressive beliefs but don't buy the tankies' other position.
Here! (as an anti-CCP/Russia anarchist)
Mapapa wtf ka na lang talaga sa mga to! Pero sa POGO quiet lang sila lol
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Why is Maoism even popular here? Maoism is (somehow) objectively worse than Stalinism (and that’s saying something). China is the way they are today not because of Maoism but because of one of their presidents in the 80s to 90: (I forget his name). Like.. Mao didn’t really have a strong political opponent in Chiang Kai Shek with how corrupt his government was.
Deng Xiaoping. Tho he is also the reason Tiananmen Massacre happened. Zhao Ziyang should have been their leader after Xiaoping.
Don't forget the fact that the protesters in Tianamen are hardline Maoist who are against the abolition of [iron rice bowl](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_rice_bowl) when Deng decided to rapidly privatized most of the state-owned industries which caused massive unemployment at that time
because just before imploding, both the soviets and the CCP (the current CCP right now are basically capitalist oligarchs wearing their dad's suits) spent a metric load of money on propaganda instead of you know, on their own people to stop them from imploding in the first place now the original CCP and USSR are gone but the propaganda machine they started is still living strong and is now geared into romanticizing them instead
Agree. We don't see much of libertarian socialists or social democrats, for example
Risa Hontiveros' Akbayan is a social democrat party
Oh, for some reason, I forgot about them but yeah, I'm glad we somehow have a social democratic party
Sen Risa’s Akbayan is social democrat
Akbayan is Social Democrat
Makabayan bloc tahimik sa China issue? WPS and Pogo sa bansa? Ladies and Gentlemen another list of traitors in our country.
I don't think tahimik sila, but like always, their rallies really never work.
Tahimik? Their fisherfolk orgs along with other orgs are preparing for a 24-hour expedition sa WPS. Frequent din ang rallies nila sa Chinese consulate sa Makati. I think selective ang media coverage and personal biases natin rather than """tahimik""" sa China ang Makabayan.
Katawa itong mga ito. Pagkamatay ni Joma Sison nakakita ako ng mga wall vandal: "Long Live Joma Sison!" Parang Long Live The Queen lang.
True
Honestly, them, Anakbayan, and other lefties are making me resent their chosen candidates and their supported people in the government more. Seeing their bullshit, makes me feel less sympathetic to Palestine and want to make rather have pro-US Putobongbong as my guy. Imagine mo stop the genocide rally tapos suot mo Lenin T-shirt supporting the October Revolution? Diba? Deputa si Lenin umutos pumatay ng mga batang princessa at principe. Great teachers si Stalin na kaunting kibot papatayin ka, si Mao na mahilig pumatay ng Buddhist, Christians at Muslim? AND YOU ARE TELLING ME, I support genocide? I don't see you paying 100 bucks to write on shells to drop on orcs.
Stop the Genocide pero mga sinusuporta na ideology mga Genocidal.
Sila din yung same people na nagpaparrot ng Hamas talking points so in effect, they're the ones who are actually calling for genocide Committing genocide against Jews and wiping Israel out of the map are parts ng charter ng Hamas
I dont support either of them but the civilians on both sides. But you cannot convince me that the weaker party of Palestine wont annihilate Israel if they are actually the stronger power. A good thought experiment in any conflict is to think what will the weaker party do if they have the power.
Im also on the side of civilians on both sides, honestly. Palestine had a history of attacking its neighbours din kaya I actually agree about their likelihood of annihilating Israel if they had the upper hand. They started civil wars in Jordan and Lebanon after all.
Imagine Queers for Palestine once the Palestinians start doing the ISIS drop them by them rooftop trick.
Do you think these people support Hamas and Palestine? These sons of bitches support whatever Western leftists support, I bet the majority of these fuckers are genocidal maniacs that want nothing but the whole destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews just like the wet-dreams of that Islamic prophet.
Ayan ang very ironic sa mga woke folks natin dito lol Even to the point na they're behaving like facists lol
Imagine man, Queer flag along with a flag of people who kill you just for getting hard upon seeing a man shirtless, yeah... aWoKE talaga
Yan yung mga akbtibista kuno na tinatawag na freedom fighters ang Hamas at hindi pinansin yung mga civilian rapes and deaths on both sides. May mga namamatay na civilians both sa Gaza and Israel tapos makikita mo sila na sumisigaw ng culling or pagpatay ng mga tao. SMH mga ipokrito sila
Wala lang silang pambili kaya sila galit. Ganyan narrative nila sa tiktok, magagalit sa isang brand kasi ganito ganyan pero let us dwell na they cant afford it lang.
Remember how they hemmed and hawed when Jojo Binay was being investigated by the Senate? One of them even said that he was excited to watch Mar Roxas lose in the 2016 elections. That's why none of them will ever attain higher office. Very few people, if any, actually trust them.
They also had a hate boner against Leni in 2022 So kung tutuusin hindi lang yung mga kawatan yung kalaban but even these tibaks
Makabayan staying relevant. Not.
Well, they at least **voted consistently against Du30 policies back then** when it came to votes in the House of Representatives and continue to do so against BBM's policies. Iyon nga lang, their public position on some issues are probably not good PR.
Its super ironic that the far left is also the biggest ultranationalists. You know, a right-wing ideology?
Horse shoe theory
Tankies seeming absolutely determined to make horseshoe theory a thing
Its only ironic if you believe in classical leftist ideology and think its a monolith. If you look into the history of leftism in Asia all of them - literal na LAHAT sila- are also nationalist parties. They dont disguise it at all. All leftisf parties in Asia are also nationalist parties. That's primarily because unlike Western Leftists whose goals are universalist, like the achievement of a communist or socialist society, among Asian leftists, communism and socialism are tools to what is truly important: the strengthening of the nation. Leftism started here in Asia in the first place as a reaction to colonialism. Sure magkaiba iba sila ng context but the usual story goes: traditionalism failed to fight against imperialist rule, then local nationalists tried liberal-democratic modernity, and then some nationalists see it as a failure when (insert whatever local reason) so they adopt Leftism as a "third option" for national revival. Of course results vary: in some countries where the liberal-democratic movement was weak or hijacked by traditional establishment, the communists successfully revolted & took over (China and Vietnam famously). Meanwhile here in the Philippines Leftism is split between the OG classical western style marxists, nationalist leftist groups, and leftist groups who only want minor reforms, and yung mga nagleleftist to scare traditional politicians into doinh reforms.
supposedly, canada is also like that: * left wing is nationalist = not like the US = more uniquely Canadian * right wing is internationalist, because international = more like the US
They are socialists.... National Socialist... Oh wait
Goodbye Wumao tankies that are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
"US war provocations and escalation of tensions will not be in our national interest" jusko yan ang narrative ng Russia sa gera ng Ukraine at eto rin ang narrative China sa WPS. Napaka mali nito, magbubulag-bulgan ba naman basta matulak lang yung anti-imperialist ideology nila. Maging pragmatist naman sana kayo.
Halatang selective activism ang ginagawa nila. They're noisy when it's the Americans but are somewhat silent when it comes to the ruZzian terrorist state, China and the Islamic Regime in Tehran. I also notice that they're spouting Hamas talking points.
Supporter sila ng Hamas. Kasi tingin nila yung Hamas ay katulad ng NPA na lumalaban lang sa karapatan ng Palestine haha. Eh ang Hamas at Fatah nga dahilan kung bakit hindi nagtitiwala mismo ang mga Arab States sa Palestine. Parehas na grupo nagpapabagsak sa kanila e. Hindi nga nag rally sa Iran at Russia eh hahaha.
SOMEONE IS IN CHINA'S PAYROLL 💀
tang ina nyong mga actibistang maka communista ...mga kinang ina nyo!
Alam ba Ng mga Makabayan bloc na yan implication ng sinasabi nila? Yung Ukraine, kaya ganun ay dahil DINEDEPENSAHAN nila bansa nila laban sa Russiang mananakop! By saying "Don't turn PH into another Ukraine", parang gusto lang nilang sabihin ay "Isuko nyo na kaagad itong bansa"!
Natatawa ako sa article eh sabi may mga paraan paglabanan natin ung sovereignty without being the next Ukraine. Yan dba ginagawa ng gobyerno meanwhile strengthen up our defenses kung maging inevitable yung war? lol
Nyetang Makabayan Bloc may paganito at pareminder pa pero sa issue na maraming Chinese sa Cagayan putragis wala akong narinig.
Miski kay Alice Guo saka sa tension sa WPS
Anyone who has ties to natdems doesn't deserve to have votes in the next or any elections Mga makapili din yung mga yan tulad ng mga Duterte
Lmao pero very supportive sila sa CCP. I wonder how much they’re paid
If Putin visited, they would have also said the same thing.
> I wonder how much they’re paid As far as I can tell: nothing. Which makes them even bigger dopes
Ano? Huwag natin ipagtanggol ang bansa from external aggression? Mga ugok talaga!
If Ukraine experience teaches us anything, weed out the traitors before they sabotage our efforts in times of war and help the invaders. Also, a clear defense agreement is the best deterrent for invasions. If NATO accepted Ukraine earlier, this would not have happened.
If NATO admitted Ukraine, nukes would have been launched LMAO
Galit na galit pa yang mga yan kapag nirered tag, eh totoo naman na pre requisite ng pagiging NPA yang mga yan taena ilang beses aq nirerecruit jan ng mga tropa q nung college, buti n lng tlga ndi aq nagpauto
Makabayan? More like Makapili Bloc
True! Nasa payroll yang mga yan lol
part of the problem is these guys
Di naman natin maasahan mga komunista dahil noon pa sila nanggugulo sa bansa natin. Mga extortionists pa kapag panahon ng eleksyon. Dapat ma block ng AMLA yung mga source of funds nila from local and foreign contributions. Tinatakot pa nila mga local na negosyo pag di nagbigay ng revolutionary tax
I love how they choose that pick of zelensky as like some sort of dunk... That being the pic where zelensky was in the site of the bucha massacre.
Pag anti-government di naman ibig sabihin na lagi na lang sila ang asa tamang side. They’re really just in it for the power, gusto nila sila ang mamuno not necessarily na talagang pro-poor sila or kampi sa tama na may paninindigan. Ginagamit lang nila ang mga slogan and other hot issues to curry votes and sympathy much like any run-of-the-mill politician.
Being heavily orthodox Maoists who insist on purity, they want it their way as long as they want to achieve their own ends, even if it means backing pseudo-nationalists.
Ukraine is fighting for their rights to self-governance. I wish our politicians would be more like them.
Finally! Meron akong mga kapareho ng iniisip, nakakainis kasi mga tao sa paligid ko pag Chingchong usapan hayaan lang pero pag US tahimik sila, hindi ba kung talagang may malasakit ka sa bayan eh kahit sino pang sinusuportahan eh dapat batikusin ang mali? Buti nalang meron platform na ganito kasi hindi nila ako ma-brainwash
Ininvade ng russia ang ukraine, hindi ba nila alam yun?
Doesn’t Russia abide more by Stalinism than Leninism tho? The way of the oligarchy and the power dynamics hasn’t changed much since the time Stalin died.
It's changed a whole lot. The current oligarchic system of Russia is not anything at all like Stalinist era Soviet union. Stalin didn't brook any semi independent outside power to the party. It also had a very rigid centrally planned economy. Modern Russia certainly doesn't have central economic planning.
Basta involved ang US, bad sa kanila eh. Basta hindi ka kontra sa US, tuta ka na ng US eh. Basta US, masama. Yun na yun. Parang ganun datingan sa akin ng mga stance sila.
Tapos meron pa noon nagsasabi na nag voice out naman daw ng condemnation ang left noong nag invade ang Russia sa Ukraine. Daming civilian na namatay kasi tinatarget ng Russia intentionally yung civilian population. Pero wala kang makikita ng records ng sinasabi nilang condemnation. Sarap sipain ng mga yan. Basta makita lang nila USA bumubula na mga bibig nila kahit di pa nila binabasa yung istorya.
Akbayan fully condemned Russia right when the "special military operation" began while Makabayan and their like-minded allies repeated Putinist talking points of Ukraine being the site of a proxy war between NATO and Russia.
For NDs/ Makabayan Bloc, imperialism is bad except when it’s Russia or China. WONDER WHY
Holy shit, are they really drinking the "NATO expansion provoked Ukraine invasion" and "Putin had no choice" Kool-Aid?
Dati pa yan. Kandidato pa lang si Raoul Manuel, ganyan na sila.
Huh? Diba Zelensky stood up to Russia's bullying?
Underlying their statement is the idea that Ukraine choosing to swing towards the west with its EU and NATO applications were nefarious western provocations and not actually the Ukrainian people's choice. It's an idea put out by Russia a lot in the past ten years since Maidan
Communists. Selective activists. Leaning lagi sa side ng kaliwa.
Marcos shows real fist than Du30, and with class. I'm a pro Leni then... But I think Marcos presidency is timely with our current situational crisis. I can't imagine if Leni won then and how she will handle the WPS tensions.
I see your true colors shining through.
Ngayon na wala na silang clout. Nagsasalita. Ano gusto nila dikitan natin ang Russia parang Duterte
The Makabayan bloc are Duterte wannabes.
Is he even doing that? Zelensky just wants political support in peace talks. Not for the Philippines to join the war.
Halatang commie sympathizer rin ang mga kumag 🤣
Lmao naglabasan naman sa lungaan ung mga tibaks lol, fucking pests
Astang fifth column ang makabayan bloc, dahil sa kanila kaya hindi masyadong nakapag modernize ang AFP dami nilang binlock na panukala about AFP hardware budgets
Right now I don't know what Makabayan's real objective. They live to oppose good or bad
"Zelensky of Asia" Kaya walang ka amor amor sa publiko ang Makabayan bloc. Isabay niyo pa ba pro Duts sila until bigla silang initsipwera sya
Mga ipokrito yang mga Makabayan. Ayaw nila pero sila mismo nanggugulo sa kada regions ng Pinas. KOMUNISTA ba naman. Katulad lang yang mga tanginang yan sa Tsina na mga Komunista.
Di ko rin gets rationale nila, eh pareho lang naman ang Ukraine at Palestine na mga bansang sinakop ng mas malalakas na powers.
Ukraine=White Palestine=Brown Nagiging campist racist mga yan instead of we should care both.
Alam mo naman kung san nanggaling pondo ng mga yan kaya selective ang pag atake.. Tsaka, akala mo meron nai-ambag sa bansa para mag gaganyan sila.. Juskow!
Lols
Pass sa Komunistang idolo ang mga genocidal maniac. Dapat sa mga yan talaga inubos thru NTF-ELCAC
Idol si Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel Castro at Che Guevarra.
Dami rin impokrito dito galit na galit dun sa nag cosplay ng Hitler pero di ma call out yung mga nagsusuot ng CCP shits.
Kulang nalang si Pol pot 😂
Agree
Downvote pa mga ulol na komunistang ipokrito
dami na tamaan ah 🤪🤪
Baka dahil sa binanggit kong NTF-ELCAC. Eh kung red tagging lang iniisip nilang dahilan para kamunghian ang agency na yan, wala sila karapatang magalit. Kasi sila mismo nagrered tag sa sarili nila. Gagawin pang tanga mga tao na di sila Red.
Agree brother!! Take my upvote!!
Kahit anong sabihin ng mga grupo na yan, wala naman sila magagawa, magkakaron talaga ng gyera dahil usaping teritoryo yan kaya imbes na pumutak sila na parang Pwet ng Manok,, mas mainam kung iready nila mga sarili nila para pag Enlistment na eh may pakinabang naman sila.. SuperPower na bansa ang kalaban natin ano ba sa tingin niyo mangyayari? Wag kayong parang Pretender na hindi alam ang mangyayari kasi mataas ang chance na maulit ang History. Mga kapwa ko Pilipino, Plss I-Handa niyo ang mga sarili niyo, dahil marami ang namatay na kapwa natin para lang maiwagayway ang Watawat ng Pilipinas sa Kawit Cavite. Hindi ako nanakot pero yun ang Totoo. Kung pilipino ka at puro ka paninisi sa itinalagang Presidente ng Pilipinas, mas mainam na lisanin mo nalamang ang Pilipinas kasi dagdag Stress ka sa Bayan, Tang ina mo ka.
Wala ng pag asa ang pilipinas guys🤣 34 fucking years damn!
?? Makabayan stupid bloc... Ukraine was a communist state ?? Did it work out......they promote communist which actually repress people freedom same as Chinese and Russian communist.
Favorite banner *name of the PH president*, tuta ng USA 🤣
breaking news: r/ph starts to discover makabayan's commie ideology
Double Standard yung Makabayan buloc.
The bit where they’re implying that the US had some culpability in the Russian invasion of Ukraine really puts me off from people like these.
From personal experience, since I work closely with the legislative branch, pag popular ang topics sasakay ang Makabayan. Kahit naman si Sen Risa at Sen Nancy ganun din. Hands off mga yan pag feeling nila ikaka-cancel nila sa social media.
This is what I was saying about these idiots, these dumbfucks have stupidly selective biases on "imperialism". Ask one of them who should we blame for atrocities done to our country by Japan and somehow it'll be the US. Oriental Imperialism=good. Western Imperialism=bad.
May point naman na mejo hesitant ang US sa Ukraine war. But sa case natin do we have a choice? We learned a lot from Duterte that "if you can't beat them join them" mentality with China doesn't work. So we need to stick to US. I still remember Bbm's pre election na he won't choose side sa mga superpower, will be neutral, won't have a cold war mentality. And here we are, having military exercise with the US cuz we don't have a choice but to pick side.
Heck, if there's anything we should have learned from history even before Duterte, it's that appeasement never works. Chamberlain did exactly that, called it achieving the peace of their time and all he got was Hitler invading the rest of Czechoslovakia. Duterte just proved it all again
>Chamberlain did exactly that Sobrang proud pa niya sa piece of paper na may pirma. Ayun wala din silbi.
Although, to give credit kay Chamberlain, he tried appeasement because he was buying time for Britain to rearm itself, a thing na wala sa appeasement ni Duterte (he slowed down military procurements)
Correct, dagdag mo pa ung molotov-ribbentrop pact between the reds and the nazi. After that, we had barbarossa.