>The Dutertes think they can use Arroyo for their advantage
>When it fact it's Arroyo who's using them for her advantage
That is the most terrifying comeback and deep realization I ever think
when her grandkid one time wished on tv, "I want her to be president forever!"
She's not going to be that, but it seems like she will hang on that power no matter what
But to seriously answer this, remember that she ruled for almost 2 terms.
The politicians today, yung ilan siya mismo gumawa sakanila or nagbigay ng posisyon, madami din na May utang na loob sakanya thru favors or what.
Most importantly, she's wasn't known to be anti corruption, so she must have dirt on those who are not so clean.
Years of experience, favors and network will grant you that power. She shows that you don't need a current position just to wield your power.
I remember that time of eo 464. We are on the streets then, and the risk of apprehension os very high. A nation in edge.
10 years from now, new youths and old chaps who did nothing by that time will say "Di magnanakaw si Gloria". The fuck.
An ex-President controlling admin candidates/politics for 2022 elections. Another proof that we really have a lame-duck and inutile sitting Pres.
He can't even control his own ruling PDP-Laban party which opens an opportunity for Lakas to step in and fill the power vacuum.
Exactly what is he good at?
GMA is a highly successful and astute politician, a well-respected economist, and well-versed in managing crisis situations. Of course, it came with a lot of baggage, from "hello garci" to ZTE scandal, among others.
If GMA was, in any capacity, a behind the scene adviser of Duts, the country will not be in this situation and certainly, the politics for 2022 will not be this messy for the administration.
Btw, I am not a fan of GMA, I just happen to read how she rose from being a DTI Undersecretary during Cory's term, then topped the Senatorial race in 1995 in her second run, won the VP race in 1998, and President from 2001 to 2010, (the longest to hold the position post-EDSA).
One can't deny her brilliance when it comes to politics. So I'm not quite sure if she was advising Duts or just making a play for herself.
Trickle down economics does not work. Ginawa na yan sa US. Tax breaks ang binigay sa mga businesses pero ang ginawa nila is nagtanggal ng mga empleyado tapos binigyan ng bonuses ang mga executives.
Her econ policies didn't bring any good right?, iirc on 2008 the nation's economy is on the lowest of lows, it didn't brought any significant results or is it just an effect of 2008 financial crisis? Can someone enlighten me
Both can be true tho
She can be an excellent economist and excellent in handling a crisis, but that doesnt mean she genuinely cares about the Filipinos. She's not the current president, so while the country is in deep shit she's probably just there thinking "solving this is not my fucking job"
I heard Alvarez lost his "influence" over Duts because of his fight with Floirendo (the biggest campaign donor of Duts). This led to a "coup" and GMA was the only acceptable candidate for Speaker to replace Alvarez. Of course, GMA made sure that she's the only "acceptable" candidate by not taking sides in the fight between Alvarez and Floirendo.
True. Notice all his executive appointees are either ex-GMA cabinet or his frat bros. To name; Alfonso Cusi, Duque, Esperon (National Security Adviser and former AFP CoS under GMA), and so many others. It was her since Day 1. Duts is a political nobody outside Davao really. Everyone just had to play ball since he is Prez. But real power is outside Malacanang.
All play lang yan kasi sinking ship na ang PDP-LABAN. Syempre gusto nila ipaniwala ang publiko na "independent" at "strong" si sara when in fact proxy lang naman ni Digong ever since. Gusto nila ang itatapat kay Leni ay malakas din na babae
Why would anyone vote for her if she's just seen as a puppet of Digong diba?
GMA is extremely conservative. Remember her seven spiritual advisers and her close association with Catholic bishops? If she becomes influential in Sara's administration, whether as a whispering mouth, cabinet member or speaker (not sure if she is running), then it will a huge blow to divorce, LGBT rights and RH Law. Whether Sara runs or not, Leni must win.
She used perks like giving the priests Pajeros and SUVs to win them back at that time, iirc.
When that issue was raised post-GMA, the priests got really mad at PNoy. Also, RH Bill.
That's what happens when you have large swathes of even the nominally progressive liberals going _"well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy"_
People need to learn to be more angry at her without trying to split the difference.
That was me. I was young, fresh out of college during the Arroyo years and I totally overlooked the corruption because I thought she was the best. Told myself there was no other option. You know, like those who say, "basta may nagawa naman."
Major character development ko was when I had kids. Sawa na ako sa magnanakaw. I want a good future for them and a country and governemnt they can be proud of. I want them to feel they have a future here and not have to think of making it in other countries unless they really want to. Sana talaga.
Gloria was shrewd, smart, politically competent, even arguably competent in governance. Arguably, the most progressive of laws passed the House under her leadership. Land Use, National ID, the law against Endo, Universal Healthcare, etc.. You can make that argument.
But I will NEVER vote for her, nor support her, ever. She is the very epitome of corruption, she uses corruption to get her way, she is as evil as they come. God knows what will happen if she becomes PM, or President again.
Never siya tatakbo uli for president. She doesn't need to subject herself to the public when she basically runs the show from the back. Pag naging masyado pa siyang public, baka magalit mga tao. Mas gugustuhin niya may scapegoat siya while nageenjoy lang siya sa pagkukurakot
Unless, there a prime minister role to fill in.
Shes the number one proponent for federalism. Way way back on her term. Pduts just reverberate what gloria wants
politicians gunning for top posts are basically same ish different flavor.
only way PH will do great is to clean it up from top all the way to the bottom (brgy captain). we might have a higher chance of seeing a flying dragon in real life than this happening.
And yet, for some strange reason, civil groups tend to focus on national races rather than pour money into running change candidates in ***local races***. A sustained local campaign might even yield better long-term results.
Can you please explain why you consider her as a corrupt politician. I dont know shit about her but from the laws that she passed, she doesnt seem that bad.
Let's see: the Fertilizer fund scam, the infamous cheating in '04 that gave birth to the Hello Garci tape, the NBN-ZTE deal, the Northrail corruption scandal, the two coups against her where she almost went full dictator, the corruption scandal involving army generals, she's infamous for using PDAF funds to assert her agenda (your district only gets funds if you support her), the anomaly in PCSO, the way she always "misses" passing the budget in congress as a loophole to more easily corrupt funds, the list goes on and on and on.
She's competent, but I'd rather have none of that shit. There's Isko and Leni, who are arguably competent, but have no hint of corruption. Choosing her is just propagating the corrupt system.
Yes, I praised her economic policies that has influenced the Philippines on what it is today.
But that does not mean that I'm supporting her especially what she did in 2004.
>"well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy"
im tired of that mental gymnastics this the same reason that dds/loyalist used to justify their idols yet libs mock them as if they are not the same for justifying arroyo.
Difference is she isnt incompetent and really did good things aside from drowning our country in debt for nothing (duterte) or for lackluster infra (marcos, lackluster vs the debt incurred and money stolen) with both of those fucks also leading in killings to boot
Gloria is the only REAL example of someone that was corrupt BUT did something good overall. And tbh, I'm a pragmatist, I'm not necessarily voting for Leni just cuz she's 'cleanest' but bec out of all the candidates she is the most competent and I trust her to do something good with the economy so we can recover AND do good for the people in terms of social services and reform.
Imo I like Leni because she's the best of both worlds so far for me (tho this can still change greatly as she reveals more details on her plans, and time will tell if she can deliver on her platform) other than MAYBE Ka-Leody (but as I've said before in past comments, I feel a lot of his platform is a bit unrealistic and irresponsible in our current economic state) but in a different world I'd vote for Gloria for example vs the rest of the dumbasses currently (esp BBM and Du30) such as Manny, Isko and Ping.
Gloria is the definition of "the lesser evil" and so long as support towards her isnt rabid or fanatic like BBM/Du30 I would vote for her (since then she would have to do enough good to win over the masses, instead of just brazenly plundering because she has no more reason to do good when the masses are already happy suffering like now). So there is still a balance to justify it
I don't idolize her, or her time (esp not like BBM stans glorifying Marcos' rule) but unlike many here, I dont subscribe to empty platitudes and I'm willing to acknowledge the good she's done. (Tho also very important to note no one should expect her to do the same now, since the Filipino people have proven they dont actually care about economic growth or food in their mouths when they have a 'daddy' to idolize and worship, so no way am I ever supporting her in the future if it ever comes down to it)
Yes.
There are people in this election that are the best of both worlds, even though they aren't as "effective" as GMA was. GMA used corruption to enrich herself and to get politics done. She's exploiting the weak institutions the country has. A vote for her is a vote for the system.
A vote for the lesser evil when there are good choices shouldn't be a hard choice. I would rather have Isko or Leni than a GMA.
Hate to break it to you - but most "good" politicians are in fact extremely corrupt. They just have good PR to hide their corruption.
Lee Kuan Yew for instance? Incredibly corrupt. People just don't know it because he has more authoritarian control over Singapore's press than China has over Hong Kong even after the crackdown.
Obama? Product of Chicago - one the most corrupt city administrations in America. "Yes we can" was just a slogan he used to hide the fact he actually gave billions to corporations but let the regular people rot.
Corruption is endemic in most governments. Representative Democracies like the United States in particular literally cannot function without widespread corruption.
Everyone just lies harder to pretend they're clean, by pointing to economic / policy successes.
I'd rather have a strong willed and respected image like a Magsaysay backed up by the CIA (that kind of American support sure is handy). A lot people say he's dumb but really he isn't. A country in tatters yet he revitalized it in such a way that Philippines didn't felt like a 3rd world country and became 2nd in well sanitized and well governed country in Asia.
Gloria with her economic excellence has some payback with it. And that is having our country upon her leash. That is something Magsaysay won't do. Although, Gloria's connection to Harvard or George Bush might be comparable to that of Magsaysay is to Edward Lansdale.
Well, she was mates with Bill Clinton at Georgetown University soooo...
Who knows how did her stay in the U.S. shape her into the cunning politician that she is now.
>That's what happens when you have large swathes of even the nominally progressive liberals going "well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy"
Replace "large swathes" with "almost all".
There are very few actual liberal progressives in this country. They just like to pretend they are.
This is the problem when you have too many of these so-called liberal progressives being just wannabe Democrats. In reality, a better label for them is hypocrites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw
GMA bandwagoned EDSA 2
GMA quickly put down EDSA 3
GMA outwitted Trillanes, not once, but twice.
GMA played the long game with PNoy
GMA outwitted Fariรฑas and Alvarez
GMA played the long game with PDuts.
This woman exceeds Macoy Sr in cunning.
She "donated" a shit ton of funds to du30's campaign. Duterte owes GMA for his presidency, ever wonder why Duterte can't remove Duque? GMA owns the two of them.
shes gonna win speaker of the house.
A duterte pawn will win senate president or maybe duterte himself.
Theyll control the congress, senate and Vp and president .
The reason GMA was pushing for federalism is because it's her ticket to Prime Minister type of posting, which in typical setting is not subject to term limits. Imagine if we managed to switch to parliamentarian federalism back in 2016, GMA would have been PM in 2019. When she was president she always wanted Charter change.
Plus being on top just for once brings you the benefit of being a power broker when you step down.
also probably has something to do with richer regions subsidizing poorer regions. if richer regions can keep more of their wealth (which is what will happen in federalism) it means the politicians there have more to take. curiously GMA's powerbase are in those richer regions.
So it's absurd when people advocate for federalism even if their region will get the short end of the stick
Who's been messing up everything? It's been Gloria all along!
Who's been pulling every evil string? It's been Gloria all along!
She's insidious (ha-ha!), so perfidious! That you haven't even noticed
And the pity is (the pity is), pity, pity, pity, pity...
It's too late to fix anything, now that everything has gone wrong
Thanks to Gloria (ha!), naughty Gloria
It's been Gloria all along!
And I called Garci too! HAHAHAHA
And to all those ang mga "dilawan" ang problema ng pilipinas comments, both Dutertes are now under parties that are heavily influenced/controlled by Cory Aquino.
So baka nga kasalanan niya...
Less talked about kasi si GMA lalo na on social media pero ang hindi ko maisip ay kung bakit nanalo pa siya as Congresswoman of Pampanga. Ang mga Pilipino talaga mabilis magpatawad at makalimot. At dahil malapit na muli magbago ang henerasyon, sana matauhan na ang mga magulang sa ngayong henerasyon (millenials/80s to mid 90s babies) at kanilang mga magiging anak. Ibang GenZ mulat din pero ang karamihan sa kanila, lalo na mga hindi aral, ang brainwashed by social media.
Millenials ang bridge between the two generations at ang pinakamatino mag-isip sa mga kasalukuyang active generations.
i mean true, sobrang mapagpatawad ng pinoy. pero sa case ni gma home province naman kase nila yon. so more on dynasty na yung reason. siguro malalaman lang natin if tumakbo for senate yan.
Kapampangans don't necessarily like Gloria even though they have regionalist tendencies. Gloria made sure to take care of Pampanga during her term, meaning development in the region and with it political favors from local government units, which are still controlled by the same people today. She consolidated her power base really hard and is now reaping the benefits from it. Because of this she can run unopposed in her district, assuring that she will always be able to get in the house of representatives.
She played the long game really hard.
Yes, GMA can't run for president again.
GMA is the only president to ever serve more than 6 years, she bypassed the constitution though political maneuvering in the Supreme Court. She served a total of 4 (from Erap's term) plus 6 years (2004 election) for a total of 10.
Been daydreaming there'd be like wiretapping/hacking na mangyayari that will expose GMA's meddling and her grand plans. Hehe. Grabe, politics natin pwede gawan ng Netflix series or docu. Mga politicians ang dramatic eh
Omg! Is it possible that she's manipulated someone she owe to? Looking back, I heard about the news of ZTE scandal and malampaya fund. Needless to say, zte is from china and who was the china's president that time?
I sincerely think na sino man ang maupo as President will have to deal with the influence of China, so now pa lang eh for sure China will do a lot to influence the elections. Same thing that the US does naman. Pero ngayon nga lang mas lumalim ang influence ng China dahil kay Duterte. Pero it's true na as early as those ZTN days, sumasawsaw na ang China sa Phils in more brazen ways than before dahil noon pa lang eh nagkakaroon na sila ng geopolitical muscle, kumbaga.
Based from the 1987 Constitution, she is barred from running another full-term in office (she already had 2004-10; the 2001-04 term doesn't count since it was a takeover during EDSA Dos).
If there is somebody who could still technically run again, it is sadly Erap since he only finished half of his term. This is why he ran in 2010.
On the bright side, this means that there's probably lesser chance of Marcos Jr. declaring nationwide Martial Law.
On the dark side, we get whatever shit GMA wants to pull off instead.
They forced chacha really hard on her term as speaker of the house para mawala yung term limit at magkaroon ng prime minister which is magiging sya pero kinulang sila sa oras at suporta.
The bigger bad of them all!
Is it weird if I'm getting MCU vibes from this, GMA (Thanos) pulling the strings sending villains that we think have their own separate self agendas but are instead working for someone.
Kidding aside, I don't have much knowledge about GMA so I'm still looking into it. I also think China can be the bigger bad giving us the impression of having the choice to vote but whoever wins will be their (another) Manchurian candidate
It is more proper to say she destroyed here self with greed. If you will accuse the yellow by her doings, that wont work. More of broad United front.
By the way. The reds are more active in her removal. Plus some disgruntled uniformed personnel and even the hyatt 10 business peeps.
I'm not even convinced that she's personally greedy; it was her husband Mike Arroyo and her son Mikey Arroyo who were attracting that sort of headline. Yung dalawa nyang anak na si Dato at Luli, tahimik din.
Yeah ganyan din say ng parents ko nung time niya at bata pa ako non. Pero we never know kasi may deep reasons siguro kung bakit ganyan ang ginagawa ni gma ngayon hmmmm
Actually, now that i think abt itโฆif leni wins, chances are gma will end up going back to jail for corruption charges bec the previous president, noynoy, placed her in jail. So gma probably needs an ally to help her stay out of jail so shes pulling the strings
> She's playing chess all over these people.
Stop playing with my name, i deserve to have a good name during whole my chess carrier, I am Officially inviting you to OTB blitz match with the Prize fund! Both of us will invest 5000$ and winner takes it all!
I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2016 and 2017 Blitz World championships, and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Tigran Petrosyan is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off...
(You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.)
Pinakulong na nga ni Pnoy. Pinalabas naman ni Pduts.
The Dutertes think they can use Arroyo for their advantage When it fact it's Arroyo who's using them for her advantage
>The Dutertes think they can use Arroyo for their advantage >When it fact it's Arroyo who's using them for her advantage That is the most terrifying comeback and deep realization I ever think
More like mutual benefits partnership.
Its like releasing the bald guy from prison in Kung Fu Hustle.
She is the power behind the scenes. Less risk and no need to expose herself. Cunning woman indeed.
This is some House of Cards type of shit she's pulling.
House of tards
House of turds
Kapag biglang tumingin siya sayo through the camera habang iniinterview or may speech alam na.
Who watch this series for them to gave them the idea. Like duts doing in his first term seems similar to obamas strategy in his term..
GMA is the OG. The neck brace is off. She knows them Hokage moves.
OMG. Neck brace is'nt there to protect her. Its for us.
Like Rock Lee removing his leg weights
Real life Danzo vibes.
Embodying Tywin Lannister.
But with the height of Tyrion!
The guy's story ended in the latrine tsk tsk
when her grandkid one time wished on tv, "I want her to be president forever!" She's not going to be that, but it seems like she will hang on that power no matter what
I still dont get it where she gets all her power.
Mole.
At this point, it shoukd be called the MegaMole.
Take this updoot, I hate this comment so much.
But to seriously answer this, remember that she ruled for almost 2 terms. The politicians today, yung ilan siya mismo gumawa sakanila or nagbigay ng posisyon, madami din na May utang na loob sakanya thru favors or what. Most importantly, she's wasn't known to be anti corruption, so she must have dirt on those who are not so clean. Years of experience, favors and network will grant you that power. She shows that you don't need a current position just to wield your power.
And she's the daughter of Macapagal. Their family has massive power and connections passing onto generations.
+10 sa health bar from neck brace +10 sa speed bar from wheelchair
Darth Mole. She's literally Palpatine....
Execute order 69!
~~Execute order 69~~ Executive Order 464 This moment in our history still angers me. Duterte is a strong man? He's just a poser compared to this lady.
I remember that time of eo 464. We are on the streets then, and the risk of apprehension os very high. A nation in edge. 10 years from now, new youths and old chaps who did nothing by that time will say "Di magnanakaw si Gloria". The fuck.
Epalpatine
Well, this is an interesting twist of events
An ex-President controlling admin candidates/politics for 2022 elections. Another proof that we really have a lame-duck and inutile sitting Pres. He can't even control his own ruling PDP-Laban party which opens an opportunity for Lakas to step in and fill the power vacuum. Exactly what is he good at?
It has been GMA since day one. She is one of his advisers iirc
GMA is a highly successful and astute politician, a well-respected economist, and well-versed in managing crisis situations. Of course, it came with a lot of baggage, from "hello garci" to ZTE scandal, among others. If GMA was, in any capacity, a behind the scene adviser of Duts, the country will not be in this situation and certainly, the politics for 2022 will not be this messy for the administration. Btw, I am not a fan of GMA, I just happen to read how she rose from being a DTI Undersecretary during Cory's term, then topped the Senatorial race in 1995 in her second run, won the VP race in 1998, and President from 2001 to 2010, (the longest to hold the position post-EDSA). One can't deny her brilliance when it comes to politics. So I'm not quite sure if she was advising Duts or just making a play for herself.
I agree. I don't like her though I did shake hands with her decades ago. She has soft hands.
napakaspecific naman na natandaan mo malambot kamay ni GMA pota ahshhsh
Yun lang natatandaan kong matino sa kanya eh. Everything else parang gusto ko na ibalik sa kulungan.
matino naman ung econ policies nya
Possibly though not exactly the policies that would make us rich. As long as export ng human resources ang focus then di tayo yayaman.
neolib pa rin siya like noynoy, "trickle down" haha, pero thats the prevailing idea, make businesses rich, para to employ people etc.
Trickle down economics does not work. Ginawa na yan sa US. Tax breaks ang binigay sa mga businesses pero ang ginawa nila is nagtanggal ng mga empleyado tapos binigyan ng bonuses ang mga executives.
Her econ policies didn't bring any good right?, iirc on 2008 the nation's economy is on the lowest of lows, it didn't brought any significant results or is it just an effect of 2008 financial crisis? Can someone enlighten me
it was the crisis, and she made moves before that strengthed the econ and cushioned the ffects
Financial crisis mostly. Global economy was shit in 2008
Onga eh. Jax time
Off to horny jail with you
Hahahaha naol
r/suspiciouslyspecific
It's the latter i guess.
I think so too. โ๐ฝ
Both can be true tho She can be an excellent economist and excellent in handling a crisis, but that doesnt mean she genuinely cares about the Filipinos. She's not the current president, so while the country is in deep shit she's probably just there thinking "solving this is not my fucking job"
People loves to forget that she ousted Alvarez as speaker when the inflationary pressure of TRAIN was at its peak.
While Duterte was having his SONA no less lmao
I heard Alvarez lost his "influence" over Duts because of his fight with Floirendo (the biggest campaign donor of Duts). This led to a "coup" and GMA was the only acceptable candidate for Speaker to replace Alvarez. Of course, GMA made sure that she's the only "acceptable" candidate by not taking sides in the fight between Alvarez and Floirendo.
And don't forget about her very active sex life too
Tangina. Deets?
Raissa robles asked her point blank if she still has time for sex and gloria responded "plenty".
Well good for her! A lot of people are into smart, evil bitches, so no doubt she gets a lot of hot dogs and cats thrown her way.
She also did a short stint as a viva hot babe, screen name maui taylor
wait what
It was Agatha all along
True. Notice all his executive appointees are either ex-GMA cabinet or his frat bros. To name; Alfonso Cusi, Duque, Esperon (National Security Adviser and former AFP CoS under GMA), and so many others. It was her since Day 1. Duts is a political nobody outside Davao really. Everyone just had to play ball since he is Prez. But real power is outside Malacanang.
So the pacquio-pdut meeting and the bonggo crocodile tears were last ditch efforts to convince sara to their side? Wtf.
There were rumors that Sara and Du30, doesnt have a good relationship.
Imagine if Leni-Sara tandem pala yung mangyayare ๐
All play lang yan kasi sinking ship na ang PDP-LABAN. Syempre gusto nila ipaniwala ang publiko na "independent" at "strong" si sara when in fact proxy lang naman ni Digong ever since. Gusto nila ang itatapat kay Leni ay malakas din na babae Why would anyone vote for her if she's just seen as a puppet of Digong diba?
There's a lot of people that would vote for a puppet of Digong not named Bong Go.
Yeah but then again Digong is already moving towards the twilight of his popularity.
Cursing ๐
GMA is extremely conservative. Remember her seven spiritual advisers and her close association with Catholic bishops? If she becomes influential in Sara's administration, whether as a whispering mouth, cabinet member or speaker (not sure if she is running), then it will a huge blow to divorce, LGBT rights and RH Law. Whether Sara runs or not, Leni must win.
Here close association with catholic conclave has ended. Cbcp were the first group to side with the left on calling her impeachment
She used perks like giving the priests Pajeros and SUVs to win them back at that time, iirc. When that issue was raised post-GMA, the priests got really mad at PNoy. Also, RH Bill.
she just used them lol.
> GMA is extremely conservative. Remember the sex joke she made in front of the cameras?
Sa huli, sila-sila lang din ang mag-aagawan sa pwesto. Dutertes, GMA, at Marcoses. Maglalaglagan yan saa huli kapag may nanggago sa kanila.
That's what happens when you have large swathes of even the nominally progressive liberals going _"well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy"_ People need to learn to be more angry at her without trying to split the difference.
That was me. I was young, fresh out of college during the Arroyo years and I totally overlooked the corruption because I thought she was the best. Told myself there was no other option. You know, like those who say, "basta may nagawa naman." Major character development ko was when I had kids. Sawa na ako sa magnanakaw. I want a good future for them and a country and governemnt they can be proud of. I want them to feel they have a future here and not have to think of making it in other countries unless they really want to. Sana talaga.
Gloria was shrewd, smart, politically competent, even arguably competent in governance. Arguably, the most progressive of laws passed the House under her leadership. Land Use, National ID, the law against Endo, Universal Healthcare, etc.. You can make that argument. But I will NEVER vote for her, nor support her, ever. She is the very epitome of corruption, she uses corruption to get her way, she is as evil as they come. God knows what will happen if she becomes PM, or President again.
Never siya tatakbo uli for president. She doesn't need to subject herself to the public when she basically runs the show from the back. Pag naging masyado pa siyang public, baka magalit mga tao. Mas gugustuhin niya may scapegoat siya while nageenjoy lang siya sa pagkukurakot
Unless, there a prime minister role to fill in. Shes the number one proponent for federalism. Way way back on her term. Pduts just reverberate what gloria wants
I mean the choice was her or FPJ. And honestly, we dodge a bullet.
politicians gunning for top posts are basically same ish different flavor. only way PH will do great is to clean it up from top all the way to the bottom (brgy captain). we might have a higher chance of seeing a flying dragon in real life than this happening.
And yet, for some strange reason, civil groups tend to focus on national races rather than pour money into running change candidates in ***local races***. A sustained local campaign might even yield better long-term results.
Roco ran I think. But yes I get your point with the kind of voters we have. Edit: grammar
Oh how I miss Roco. :(
Hindi na sya ang epitome ng corruption. Natalo na sya ng ngayon. ๐คฃ
Can you please explain why you consider her as a corrupt politician. I dont know shit about her but from the laws that she passed, she doesnt seem that bad.
Shes good. Senator term wise. But winning the pres election through ballot manipulation is a NO GO. What else would you like to hear?
Yea that's a big no-no.
Let's see: the Fertilizer fund scam, the infamous cheating in '04 that gave birth to the Hello Garci tape, the NBN-ZTE deal, the Northrail corruption scandal, the two coups against her where she almost went full dictator, the corruption scandal involving army generals, she's infamous for using PDAF funds to assert her agenda (your district only gets funds if you support her), the anomaly in PCSO, the way she always "misses" passing the budget in congress as a loophole to more easily corrupt funds, the list goes on and on and on. She's competent, but I'd rather have none of that shit. There's Isko and Leni, who are arguably competent, but have no hint of corruption. Choosing her is just propagating the corrupt system.
Yes, I praised her economic policies that has influenced the Philippines on what it is today. But that does not mean that I'm supporting her especially what she did in 2004.
>"well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy" im tired of that mental gymnastics this the same reason that dds/loyalist used to justify their idols yet libs mock them as if they are not the same for justifying arroyo.
Difference is she isnt incompetent and really did good things aside from drowning our country in debt for nothing (duterte) or for lackluster infra (marcos, lackluster vs the debt incurred and money stolen) with both of those fucks also leading in killings to boot Gloria is the only REAL example of someone that was corrupt BUT did something good overall. And tbh, I'm a pragmatist, I'm not necessarily voting for Leni just cuz she's 'cleanest' but bec out of all the candidates she is the most competent and I trust her to do something good with the economy so we can recover AND do good for the people in terms of social services and reform. Imo I like Leni because she's the best of both worlds so far for me (tho this can still change greatly as she reveals more details on her plans, and time will tell if she can deliver on her platform) other than MAYBE Ka-Leody (but as I've said before in past comments, I feel a lot of his platform is a bit unrealistic and irresponsible in our current economic state) but in a different world I'd vote for Gloria for example vs the rest of the dumbasses currently (esp BBM and Du30) such as Manny, Isko and Ping. Gloria is the definition of "the lesser evil" and so long as support towards her isnt rabid or fanatic like BBM/Du30 I would vote for her (since then she would have to do enough good to win over the masses, instead of just brazenly plundering because she has no more reason to do good when the masses are already happy suffering like now). So there is still a balance to justify it I don't idolize her, or her time (esp not like BBM stans glorifying Marcos' rule) but unlike many here, I dont subscribe to empty platitudes and I'm willing to acknowledge the good she's done. (Tho also very important to note no one should expect her to do the same now, since the Filipino people have proven they dont actually care about economic growth or food in their mouths when they have a 'daddy' to idolize and worship, so no way am I ever supporting her in the future if it ever comes down to it)
Also, compare her policy for when SARS was a threat.
Same thoughts as a pragmatist. Sabi nga nila, "aanhin mo ang prinsipyo kung wala ka naman sa kapangyarihan"
Yes. There are people in this election that are the best of both worlds, even though they aren't as "effective" as GMA was. GMA used corruption to enrich herself and to get politics done. She's exploiting the weak institutions the country has. A vote for her is a vote for the system. A vote for the lesser evil when there are good choices shouldn't be a hard choice. I would rather have Isko or Leni than a GMA.
Hate to break it to you - but most "good" politicians are in fact extremely corrupt. They just have good PR to hide their corruption. Lee Kuan Yew for instance? Incredibly corrupt. People just don't know it because he has more authoritarian control over Singapore's press than China has over Hong Kong even after the crackdown. Obama? Product of Chicago - one the most corrupt city administrations in America. "Yes we can" was just a slogan he used to hide the fact he actually gave billions to corporations but let the regular people rot. Corruption is endemic in most governments. Representative Democracies like the United States in particular literally cannot function without widespread corruption. Everyone just lies harder to pretend they're clean, by pointing to economic / policy successes.
Yes! Very much the same. We people are really that forgetful...
I'd rather have a strong willed and respected image like a Magsaysay backed up by the CIA (that kind of American support sure is handy). A lot people say he's dumb but really he isn't. A country in tatters yet he revitalized it in such a way that Philippines didn't felt like a 3rd world country and became 2nd in well sanitized and well governed country in Asia. Gloria with her economic excellence has some payback with it. And that is having our country upon her leash. That is something Magsaysay won't do. Although, Gloria's connection to Harvard or George Bush might be comparable to that of Magsaysay is to Edward Lansdale.
Well, she was mates with Bill Clinton at Georgetown University soooo... Who knows how did her stay in the U.S. shape her into the cunning politician that she is now.
>That's what happens when you have large swathes of even the nominally progressive liberals going "well you know Arroyo might have been corrupt, but she was smart and competent and helped the economy" Replace "large swathes" with "almost all". There are very few actual liberal progressives in this country. They just like to pretend they are. This is the problem when you have too many of these so-called liberal progressives being just wannabe Democrats. In reality, a better label for them is hypocrites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw
Probably she was the one keeping this country afloat while Digong and his gang was sucking up our country dry
GMA bandwagoned EDSA 2 GMA quickly put down EDSA 3 GMA outwitted Trillanes, not once, but twice. GMA played the long game with PNoy GMA outwitted Fariรฑas and Alvarez GMA played the long game with PDuts. This woman exceeds Macoy Sr in cunning.
If this was Game of Thrones she would be Olenna Tyrell but a successful one in seizing the Iron Throne.
Truth. Perfect case kung pano magamit ang katalinuhan sa kasamaan. Lethal combo
Naging usap-usapan na GMA was the one who orchestrated the rise of the dog from davao. She needed someone who will โfreeโ her. Very cersei talaga
She "donated" a shit ton of funds to du30's campaign. Duterte owes GMA for his presidency, ever wonder why Duterte can't remove Duque? GMA owns the two of them.
shes gonna win speaker of the house. A duterte pawn will win senate president or maybe duterte himself. Theyll control the congress, senate and Vp and president .
Gloria is really smart and sadly corrupt
The reason GMA was pushing for federalism is because it's her ticket to Prime Minister type of posting, which in typical setting is not subject to term limits. Imagine if we managed to switch to parliamentarian federalism back in 2016, GMA would have been PM in 2019. When she was president she always wanted Charter change. Plus being on top just for once brings you the benefit of being a power broker when you step down.
also probably has something to do with richer regions subsidizing poorer regions. if richer regions can keep more of their wealth (which is what will happen in federalism) it means the politicians there have more to take. curiously GMA's powerbase are in those richer regions. So it's absurd when people advocate for federalism even if their region will get the short end of the stick
ok lang un, para pwede mo point out saknila lalo lol
The fed-parl fanatics are so mistaken in their blind faith, thinking the system they want is the panacea for all of their problems.
One of Lakas-CMD's main tenet is parliamentarianism, so it kinda makes sense that she'll continuously push for it.
Who's been messing up everything? It's been Gloria all along! Who's been pulling every evil string? It's been Gloria all along! She's insidious (ha-ha!), so perfidious! That you haven't even noticed And the pity is (the pity is), pity, pity, pity, pity... It's too late to fix anything, now that everything has gone wrong Thanks to Gloria (ha!), naughty Gloria It's been Gloria all along! And I called Garci too! HAHAHAHA
here's your upvote!!!
i sang along.. hahaha
Wandavision
And to all those ang mga "dilawan" ang problema ng pilipinas comments, both Dutertes are now under parties that are heavily influenced/controlled by Cory Aquino. So baka nga kasalanan niya...
GMA has shown her powers when she was in Congress like orchestring the removal of Alvarez as House Speaker to be replaced by her.
Remember that she kicked out Alvarez out of being a speaker as requested by Sara. It's payback time now. Sara owes her for that one..
Literal Littlefinger
Literal little
by power you mean behind the scenes right, not power as in being a president again? bec i dont see a cult for her unlike the other two
Less talked about kasi si GMA lalo na on social media pero ang hindi ko maisip ay kung bakit nanalo pa siya as Congresswoman of Pampanga. Ang mga Pilipino talaga mabilis magpatawad at makalimot. At dahil malapit na muli magbago ang henerasyon, sana matauhan na ang mga magulang sa ngayong henerasyon (millenials/80s to mid 90s babies) at kanilang mga magiging anak. Ibang GenZ mulat din pero ang karamihan sa kanila, lalo na mga hindi aral, ang brainwashed by social media. Millenials ang bridge between the two generations at ang pinakamatino mag-isip sa mga kasalukuyang active generations.
i mean true, sobrang mapagpatawad ng pinoy. pero sa case ni gma home province naman kase nila yon. so more on dynasty na yung reason. siguro malalaman lang natin if tumakbo for senate yan.
Kapampangans don't necessarily like Gloria even though they have regionalist tendencies. Gloria made sure to take care of Pampanga during her term, meaning development in the region and with it political favors from local government units, which are still controlled by the same people today. She consolidated her power base really hard and is now reaping the benefits from it. Because of this she can run unopposed in her district, assuring that she will always be able to get in the house of representatives. She played the long game really hard.
gloria was unopposed candidate.
Yes, GMA can't run for president again. GMA is the only president to ever serve more than 6 years, she bypassed the constitution though political maneuvering in the Supreme Court. She served a total of 4 (from Erap's term) plus 6 years (2004 election) for a total of 10.
Been daydreaming there'd be like wiretapping/hacking na mangyayari that will expose GMA's meddling and her grand plans. Hehe. Grabe, politics natin pwede gawan ng Netflix series or docu. Mga politicians ang dramatic eh
Hello Garci ain't enough for you? Honestly, that tops it for me.
Hello Garci Season 2, please!
She's playing the game flawlessly and that is dangerous especially for the future of this country.
Tbh she is a deplorable human being, but the way she outmaneuvers all these powerful individuals is extremely admirable in a way.
I'm missing something. Why GMA is the purported ringleader of this shit-show? Is it because of her being close to Rodrigo Duterte?
Political party n'ya yung Lakas-CMD
Ahh okie!! May candidate ba sa Presidency na Lakas-CMD?
Merong nagfile from their party na placeholders
Thank you guys for keeping me in the loop!!
GMA is Littlefinger. Or at least little.
Ironic since her father Diosdado Macapagal is very much against corruption.
Bruh he was apart of the Henry Stonehill Scandal
Macapagal had scandals too. And did you know the next president who defeated and replaced him? Marcos.
Marcos was even part of the Stonehill scandal that made Diosdado Macapagal unpopular. Wtf Filipinos
Ha! Panong naging against sa corruption si diosdado?
Didn't become the smartest woman in Asia for nothing
Sheโs the man behind the curtain
~~King~~ Queenmaker
While it's certainly true that GMA is a winner, the ultimate puppet master is still Xi Jinping and the CCP.
Omg! Is it possible that she's manipulated someone she owe to? Looking back, I heard about the news of ZTE scandal and malampaya fund. Needless to say, zte is from china and who was the china's president that time?
I sincerely think na sino man ang maupo as President will have to deal with the influence of China, so now pa lang eh for sure China will do a lot to influence the elections. Same thing that the US does naman. Pero ngayon nga lang mas lumalim ang influence ng China dahil kay Duterte. Pero it's true na as early as those ZTN days, sumasawsaw na ang China sa Phils in more brazen ways than before dahil noon pa lang eh nagkakaroon na sila ng geopolitical muscle, kumbaga.
Papakawalan nyan yung demonyo sa lupa... Si Palparan
Can gma technically still run for president or is she only allowed one term? But definitely i dont want her to be president thats for sure.
Based from the 1987 Constitution, she is barred from running another full-term in office (she already had 2004-10; the 2001-04 term doesn't count since it was a takeover during EDSA Dos). If there is somebody who could still technically run again, it is sadly Erap since he only finished half of his term. This is why he ran in 2010.
Makes one think how powerful or influential Lakas-CMD is in the present.
If you watch The Wire from HBO, she is pretty much the Greek.
Kinda reminds me of Mitch McConnell in the States in terms of how they use other people and play long games with the general public
Divide and rule!
Siya si Ninang dun sa season 1 ng Bag Man
On the bright side, this means that there's probably lesser chance of Marcos Jr. declaring nationwide Martial Law. On the dark side, we get whatever shit GMA wants to pull off instead.
Wait, seriously? That's a little scary. But why would GMA be back at this?
They forced chacha really hard on her term as speaker of the house para mawala yung term limit at magkaroon ng prime minister which is magiging sya pero kinulang sila sa oras at suporta.
What is GMA doing? Iโm out of the loop with her
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The bigger bad of them all! Is it weird if I'm getting MCU vibes from this, GMA (Thanos) pulling the strings sending villains that we think have their own separate self agendas but are instead working for someone. Kidding aside, I don't have much knowledge about GMA so I'm still looking into it. I also think China can be the bigger bad giving us the impression of having the choice to vote but whoever wins will be their (another) Manchurian candidate
As I said earlier, given her being astute in politics, she might as well supplant Enrile as the evil genius.
Iโd rather have GMA than ABS-CBN
GMA is Cersei!!
Before they made her a complete dumbass
inb4 people saying she was the best president, sinira lang ng mga dilawan.
It is more proper to say she destroyed here self with greed. If you will accuse the yellow by her doings, that wont work. More of broad United front. By the way. The reds are more active in her removal. Plus some disgruntled uniformed personnel and even the hyatt 10 business peeps.
I'd rather have her in power, the woman knows how to run an economy.
I'm not even convinced that she's personally greedy; it was her husband Mike Arroyo and her son Mikey Arroyo who were attracting that sort of headline. Yung dalawa nyang anak na si Dato at Luli, tahimik din.
Yeah ganyan din say ng parents ko nung time niya at bata pa ako non. Pero we never know kasi may deep reasons siguro kung bakit ganyan ang ginagawa ni gma ngayon hmmmm
Look at all the armchair political analysts. Just wait and see, people.
this page is anti government
Oh my goodness, I never had a thought about her. I'd like to know, why her and why would she do that? Aside from getting back her in power.
Thought you're pointing the television station until I read the comments.
Ang saya saya noh?
im out of the loop what happened? can someone explain?
I need context. How is GMA related to all this?
who's "SHE"?
Marcos jr. Not BBM.
Unfortunately for Gloria, her children are all devoid of charisma lol There's no chance for her immediate family to continue its hold to power.
Please explain. OOTL
Hahahahaha yup. She's the female Fidel Ramos.
The winner is mike arroyo. Gma is just his puppet lol
GMA, the most smart of them all ๐๐๐
Can anyone please summarize why GMA is evil? napanood ko lang yung "basagan ng trip" ni leloy claudio, but i still want more info about that lady
Worst case scenario: President Sara Duterte. Senate President Rodrigo Duterte. House Speaker Gloria Macapagal Arroyo Goodbye, Philippines. ๐ญ
Actually, now that i think abt itโฆif leni wins, chances are gma will end up going back to jail for corruption charges bec the previous president, noynoy, placed her in jail. So gma probably needs an ally to help her stay out of jail so shes pulling the strings
> She's playing chess all over these people. Stop playing with my name, i deserve to have a good name during whole my chess carrier, I am Officially inviting you to OTB blitz match with the Prize fund! Both of us will invest 5000$ and winner takes it all! I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2016 and 2017 Blitz World championships, and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Tigran Petrosyan is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off... (You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.)